The AI Behind Kidnapper Fox

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  • @alteregosocial
    @alteregosocial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +160

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    • @randomperson-qj1oq
      @randomperson-qj1oq 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      "off script", huh? nice lie.

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      @agent7176 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

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      @christopherravenstein8597 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

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      @BallsBlaster69 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

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      @patrickstening 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

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  • @alanavalos6645
    @alanavalos6645 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1458

    Facinating how John is like a predator similar to the bracken, looking at him to discourage his stealth

    • @samirmehmedovic6554
      @samirmehmedovic6554 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      I consider kidnapper foxes to basically be the outside equivolant of a bracken considering they both
      - Try to sneak up on you
      - Will drag you to their favourite location
      - They both attack the head region of the body

    • @toastr1255
      @toastr1255 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@samirmehmedovic6554 Additionally, they both have a max spawn of 1

    • @CaramelOnFire
      @CaramelOnFire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@samirmehmedovic6554 its cool how some monsters feel they act completely different to one another, yet decoding it seems john is just an extra step of a different guy named braiden with a different killing way

    • @Dunky_Alpha
      @Dunky_Alpha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yeah and they have that same feeling of not just attacking on sight but rather hunt you. Btw the fox design is so great because when it is in dense vein shrouds you can barely see it and when on the ship it feel like being circled by a shark, just seeing some movements in the corner of your eyes and not being able to scan it because vein shrouds block the scan.

    • @officialteamsombie
      @officialteamsombie 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Both are also plant-based, too. The bracken is made out of leaves, and will poof into dust upon being killed. Meanwhile, the kidnapper fox is based on the amount of vein shrouds which can be comparable to IRL weeds. Don't think John himself is made out of plants, though, but he is definitely linked to them.

  • @leonardodavinchi7693
    @leonardodavinchi7693 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1502

    "Mom, can we have Bracken?"
    "We have Bracken outside"
    Bracken outside:

    • @luanthomewagner187
      @luanthomewagner187 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Quite literally

    • @greenloafphotosynthesis
      @greenloafphotosynthesis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      You got bracken?
      Nah we got cracken.

    • @Xp366
      @Xp366 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hi sans undertale

  • @jakovlozo5968
    @jakovlozo5968 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2151

    "what the fuc-" famous last words

    • @Forgotten_memory596
      @Forgotten_memory596 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Frfr

    • @jhimaque5500
      @jhimaque5500 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      *kidnapper fox*

    • @1v1n_ny
      @1v1n_ny 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      *HAZARD LEVEL: A*

    • @ashgreninja220
      @ashgreninja220 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      @@1v1n_nythey take 7 hits to kill

    • @axelthorpe7708
      @axelthorpe7708 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      @@ashgreninja220They will Insta-kill

  • @alfonshedstrom9859
    @alfonshedstrom9859 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1051

    John is an interesting idea for an outdoors enemy but I only ever see the vainshrouds spawn on the damn ship which just makes him spawncamp the entire team. He feels needlessly complex compared to the other outdoor enemies. The nest should be more clear so you know when he is dangerous

    • @barackobreezy
      @barackobreezy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

      this is fixed in the public beta version. on version 55, the current public version, the vain shrouds spawn too often and encompass the ship most times and far too early into the run. I guess this was unintended, cuz my friends and I switched to the v56 public beta and john is waaay more manageable and an actually cool enemy

    • @barackobreezy
      @barackobreezy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      i haven't gotten far enough in a run with friends to see if the shrouds still end up swarming the ship later on though. as far as I remember the nests were way further away from the ship in the newer version

    • @Kkbleeblob
      @Kkbleeblob 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@barackobreezyv56 is the current public version

    • @barackobreezy
      @barackobreezy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Kkbleeblob since when I thought 55 was still the most recent non-beta version

    • @Kkbleeblob
      @Kkbleeblob 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@barackobreezy nope

  • @lamegamertime
    @lamegamertime 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +398

    6:24 Actually, eyeless dogs can also target John. His howls can be heard by them so long as they are near enough.

    • @averagejoe2301
      @averagejoe2301 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      And i imagine the robots also target it since the robots are hostile to everything

    • @lamegamertime
      @lamegamertime 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      @@averagejoe2301 No, John doesn't have a "IVisibleThreat" attached to him. He only gets targeted for his noise, which dogs and hawks can hear.

    • @thesupertroodon14
      @thesupertroodon14 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I feel so bullied rn

    • @KikiCatMeow
      @KikiCatMeow 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@lamegamertimecan the old birds still kill him accidentally? Like if they aim at a dog and happen to hit him

    • @ElecSpark100
      @ElecSpark100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      ​@@KikiCatMeowyeh it's possible, one time I got drag by the fox, the old bird came by and shot it to death lmao.

  • @RealKipper1324
    @RealKipper1324 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +683

    I feel like John would be WAY less hated by the community if Zeekers just moved its nest away from the ship. He's hard, he sucks, but so do a lot of other monsters. He's one of the only ones who are just kinda B.S.

    • @allstaraussie3629
      @allstaraussie3629 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      So is the barber

    • @rustle495
      @rustle495 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Zeeks said he fixed nest spawning near ship, but it still does. And assuming Alter is correct and John just leaves the nest and finds a "secondary nest" to start roaming around, on top of roam range that scales forever and needs entire team to look at him at specific range to prevent, then nest spawn location doesnt even matter.

    • @allstaraussie3629
      @allstaraussie3629 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@rustle495 zeek is bad at fixing bugs the game just gets more buggy with every update he needs to hire someone that can fix bugs because the game is becoming unplayable you can’t even join most public lobbies now

    • @Mentallyheld
      @Mentallyheld 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      @@allstaraussie3629 what are you on about??

    • @FrostyTheCookie
      @FrostyTheCookie หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      ​​@@allstaraussie3629Barber is really easy to deal with. Most enemies are harder to deal with. All it takes to deal with a barber is a brain. Also I've had like no issues with bugs lol. The game is nowhere near unplayable.

  • @napstamelon
    @napstamelon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +555

    istg if i see this kidnapper fox one more time hes gonna turn into a napper fox

    • @thisoneisforyoutube
      @thisoneisforyoutube 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      john

    • @A.please_insert_witty_text.M
      @A.please_insert_witty_text.M 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      You took the Kid from Kidnapper Fox!

    • @serventium4049
      @serventium4049 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      *john

    • @greenbean882
      @greenbean882 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      What is a kidnapper fox? Sounds cool, but the creature in the video is called John.

  • @ilovefentnyl
    @ilovefentnyl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +325

    bro: before you skip
    me: skips

  • @Gareenify
    @Gareenify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +234

    I always thought the fox just had a 90-degree rotated face but now that i see it. It feels even more creepy

    • @AbnusXD
      @AbnusXD 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      Yeah, I thought the eyes were placed where the eyes would normally go, then I saw both eyes on top. It made me do a double take.

    • @Tay10rd
      @Tay10rd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      You mean John?

  • @vertsit7311
    @vertsit7311 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +301

    You can also block the ship entrance with furniture to prevent him from dragging you away

    • @lightinthefield
      @lightinthefield 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Do the bunk beds work?

    • @vertsit7311
      @vertsit7311 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      @@lightinthefield Yea, with any furniture that player can't pass through

    • @therealpingasman
      @therealpingasman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      No you can't, my team and I tried that once and it clipped right through it to kill us

    • @IAteMySink
      @IAteMySink 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@therealpingasman Even with the Red Storage Closet's default position, opening the Right side door and going into that pocket of space will stop him from dragging you

    • @vaelophisnyx9873
      @vaelophisnyx9873 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      @@therealpingasman sounds like your ship was inside his nest

  • @lygames_1027
    @lygames_1027 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    One time, while playing in a server, a dead fox was in the entrance of the ship, and an eyeless dog, i didnt knew what happened with my crew or how the fox got killed, but when i tried to attract the dog away from the ship entrance, the dog slided into the dead fox and got stuck in the sliding animation and the fox didn't stop making pain noises, I had to wait the ship autopilot to leave the planet, it was funny

    • @phoebelovesYOU
      @phoebelovesYOU หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      not so funny when it ruins ur quota

    • @lygames_1027
      @lygames_1027 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@phoebelovesYOU yeah, but it was fine, the only dog was stuck in the entrance of the ship, the only fox in the run was killed either by my crew or the dog, baboon hawks were beeing wiped out by the robot, the giant was dead and the robot was crying like a baby while trying to get to some baboon hawks that was bullying it...
      Just another day in artifice.

    • @lil_mis_smiles
      @lil_mis_smiles 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Fox makes Noises which the Eyeless dogs can hear. So Eyeless Dogs will attack The Kidnapper Fox whenever they are within range to hear it

  • @srm4950
    @srm4950 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +337

    Alternative title
    The AI Behind Satan

    • @firehornetgamer2698
      @firehornetgamer2698 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      The AI Behind John

    • @SrakenKraken
      @SrakenKraken 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      don't insult satan like that

  • @winterarkwright4743
    @winterarkwright4743 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    The Kidnapper Fox is genuinely infuriating to have around. Really cool enemy, but the application is horrible. The way I see it is the Kidnapper Fox should target lone players. Punishing them for not working as a team. The nest should NOT be on top of the ship but maybe somewhere close to it.
    I feel like the Kidnapper Fox would feel more appropriate if it caught a solo player, dragged it back to it's nest to eat and tries to stay away from groups. Would be a very nice mitigatable threat and honestly be way more scary rather than, "I'm gonna wipe your entire team and kill a run because I'm spawn camping like a loser". My friends and I removed it from the game, it's just not fun.

    • @A.please_insert_witty_text.M
      @A.please_insert_witty_text.M หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not supposed to spawncamp, Zeekerss tried to fix the issue but it didn't work the first time.

    • @catsinwonderland7473
      @catsinwonderland7473 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think deliberately punishing solo players IF other players are still alive would be better though.
      Or at least having an easier way to deal with them. The fox has a pretty cool design, but other than that it's the only thing about Lethal Company that really annoyed me when I played it. Do the vain shrouds really have to be so close to the ship?
      John's a really fun enemy on foggy maps or when he's not close to the ship, but when he is, he makes me want to leave the moon altogether. Which is REALLY REALLY annoying on one day left.

    • @winterarkwright4743
      @winterarkwright4743 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @catsinwonderland7473 Yeah, that "If" is an important distinction, and I should have added it to my comment it I had thought of it at the time. Fair enough, honestly

  • @Ch1l1C0nCarnag3
    @Ch1l1C0nCarnag3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    If Zeekers changes it so that his nest's center CANNOT be within X meters of the ship, he would be a lot less annoying. It's fine for Vain Shroud to still spawn near the ship so he can hide and be a threat near it, but he shouldn't be allowed to have his nest too close to the ship.

    • @A.please_insert_witty_text.M
      @A.please_insert_witty_text.M หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I THINK that's how it's supposed to work, it's just broken right now.

    • @grinmace4834
      @grinmace4834 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      i have been traumatised to never go to assurance again because of the fox just camping ship

    • @meowkittymeowmeow2786
      @meowkittymeowmeow2786 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@grinmace4834 Sadly was not an assurance exclusive problem

  • @justsomefurry
    @justsomefurry หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Yeeah I see why Zeekers removed him now.

  • @hatsukineko7133
    @hatsukineko7133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +248

    Bro make sure he's the one that find out how it works and name it John and we can't do anything cuz technically he the first one to discover new creature.

    • @chboo1897
      @chboo1897 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      >:)

    • @feilkate5892
      @feilkate5892 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@chboo1897 why only him tho
      I think other ones deserve a name too
      I personally call Butler Theodor

    • @chboo1897
      @chboo1897 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@feilkate5892 idk man I like John, he’s a nice guy

    • @somdudewillson
      @somdudewillson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@feilkate5892 I mean, there _is_ only ever one John.

    • @feilkate5892
      @feilkate5892 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@somdudewillson not anymore 😭

  • @lil_mis_smiles
    @lil_mis_smiles 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    I wouldn't say that the Fox will be gone forever, I think he's just gonna be disabled for a while till his Ai gets reworked to be less of a spawn camper

  • @komment1127
    @komment1127 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

    That's weird, it's the second time i see an annoying enemy in a game nicknamed john.

    • @desoolay9752
      @desoolay9752 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      the forest im guessing?

    • @komment1127
      @komment1127 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@desoolay9752 absolutely

    • @kubman4355
      @kubman4355 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      If i had a nickel for every time there was an annoying enemy nicknamed John in a game, i'd have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice!

    • @Greenbeaninspace5
      @Greenbeaninspace5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I call the old birds Big John

    • @ElPolloLoco7689
      @ElPolloLoco7689 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Greenbeaninspace5 Hey the old birds aren't THAT bad. If yk how to avoid them they're more positive than anything since they clear out monsters

  • @TheWonkster
    @TheWonkster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    Too many things in this game are able to insta-kill you and have way too large hitboxes to do so with. Either that or its like the butlers where taking care of it actually causes another problem you can't actually do anything about

    • @selinabirkin1344
      @selinabirkin1344 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Well the point of the game IS to die. Scrap collecting is just a means to put you on a collision course with them and there's no endstate so dying to monsters meant to kill you in funny and horrifying ways is the goal.
      (not meant to defend the game, because this son of a biscuit is not scary or funny)

    • @akdreamer6497
      @akdreamer6497 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      ​@@selinabirkin1344 The problem is this fuck can spawn on the lowest difficulty maps and randomly decide to instakill you just because you stepped out the door of your ship

    • @kevo3930
      @kevo3930 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep. My buddies and i just use the no fox mod because he actually is the worst ​@@akdreamer6497

    • @JustMatchmaking
      @JustMatchmaking หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@akdreamer6497 That sounds like more of a problem with AI fairness balancing rather than the instakill itself.

    • @DS3Enjoyer
      @DS3Enjoyer 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​​@@selinabirkin1344 The point is to die? That it such a shit argument lol, this isn't Dark Souls

  • @tastycake413
    @tastycake413 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +125

    So while John is pulling me OUT OF THE SHIP I cannot close the door on him? That's unfair!

  • @hotashikayaba910
    @hotashikayaba910 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Really starting to feel like "makes the player drop all of their items" is...more than a little cheap of a tactic for these things

    • @youtubeisawebsite7484
      @youtubeisawebsite7484 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      exactly, doesnt make any sense. it's just cuz it's "supposed" to be dangerous and being able to actually handle its bullshit would be too convenient

  • @Brambrew
    @Brambrew 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    Baiting John into the ship and closing the door then wacking him with a shovel works pretty well. This usually works best in a team of 2

    • @usermann_5731
      @usermann_5731 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      It doesnt work if John's attack zone is in the ship

    • @Brambrew
      @Brambrew 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@usermann_5731 That's why you have a second person close the door while you get snagged.
      (edit) unless they patched that out; it worked during the beta when I did it with my buddies

    • @lil_mis_smiles
      @lil_mis_smiles 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Literally turned it into a "Am not the one trapped here, you are." type moment

  • @jogado2713
    @jogado2713 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    kidnapper fox: 👀
    players who play alone:💀

  • @Looona_fan
    @Looona_fan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Swiper no swiping.

  • @EpicBrony300
    @EpicBrony300 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    This new mob feels like an afterthought tbh like "oh i gotta add a new item now i gotta give that item a reason to exist and for players to want" and then proceeded to add the most stupidest op enemy in the game if you dont have said item. Also, the fact that the weeds come back every day is bs

    • @jimboroyale
      @jimboroyale หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      your dead wrong...

    • @EpicBrony300
      @EpicBrony300 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @jimboroyale almost no way to kill it, it can spawn when you can't afford weed killer, stupid bs range and can get into the ship because it's made so it goes into the ship not like eyeless dogs who can maybe accidentally walk in but that's always rare, camps the ship something eyeless dogs don't do, stupid range attack good luck if you weren't bringing a shovel. Stupidest addition to the game there was a literal mode made specifically to remove it

    • @jimboroyale
      @jimboroyale หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EpicBrony300 it shows how to kill it easily in the video

    • @jimboroyale
      @jimboroyale หลายเดือนก่อน

      dude most of this stuff is explained in the video and dogs dont go into the ship unless you make noise its not possible with the way their wandering works

    • @EpicBrony300
      @EpicBrony300 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jimboroyale but this ain't about dogs it's about this stupid fox

  • @sasson10
    @sasson10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    00:08 Bro that is me fr wtf is that thing???

  • @amorinda979
    @amorinda979 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    It is also possible to outlast John's pull if you have full stamina when he attacks and are far enough away from the shrouds. It's hard to do and obviously you don't want to rely on it but I have broken free quite a few times just by sprint-resisting his pull at a distance from the vain shrouds

  • @thefrogofdeath7094
    @thefrogofdeath7094 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    One time on Rend my team used the jetpacks to get to main, while I walked. When I got to the cabin the Kidnapper Fox grabbed me and pulled me behind the house to kill me. lol

    • @ZackagonXM
      @ZackagonXM 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      He took you out back to put you down.

    • @lemone630
      @lemone630 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Swiper swiped you buddy

  • @ASquared544
    @ASquared544 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    John really shouldn’t make you drop your items.
    Outdoor mobs should really reside in 2 niches in terms of gameplay imo: avoidable hazard or punishment for staying too long. Giants, Eyeless Dogs, and Old Birds fall into the latter category. Circuit Bees, Baboon Hawks, and those little flying guys fall into the former.
    Kidnapped Foxes fall into neither category. The fact they grab you and make you drop your items makes countering them extremely unreliable. They have the potential to spawn camp your ship so they’re very difficult to avoid. They are hyper aggressive so you can’t even live and let live. They’re as deadly as a dog and can spawn at any time.
    I like the idea of them being a hazard that grows worse the more you visit a moon, but the spray should take out 1 or more shrubs in just one spray if you want it to be an actual counter. Considering John tends to nest in the shrubs, using the spray is already super risky, so it should at least be rewarding.

  • @derricka7751
    @derricka7751 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I'm extremely curious about the vain shroud AI, and I'm a bit disappointed you just brushed over it. When you fail to eliminate all the vain shrouds, do they increase linearly or exponentially? Do they increase only on days you visit that moon or every day that passes? If you remove some vain shrouds, do the ones you removed immediately respawn or is their deconstruction saved? How many new vain shrouds appear on the initial vain shroud spawn day and every growth opportunity after that? How are their spawn locations chosen (do they spread out in a circular radius around the initial location, or do they spread in a specific direction)?
    I feel like you could do a whole video on vain shrouds, and I would love to see it!

  • @coomtheslayer
    @coomtheslayer หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    How he ACTUALLY worked: sat on the ship and instantly kills you when you attempt to play the game

  • @selinabirkin1344
    @selinabirkin1344 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Kidnapper Foxes are the perfect way to get new players to stop playing very quickly, as these guys have appeared for me by day four.

  • @corvusaltair6709
    @corvusaltair6709 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I remember my first ever encounter with John. I’d been alone on the ship at the start of the day, after my friends had gone into the facility, wanting to do mission control since we’d heard some freaky noise when we landed. When I went to close the door, this bitch John suddenly snatched me THROUGH THE FLOOR of the ship and killed me instantly. I never even got to see what the fuck had done that!! It wasn’t until our second time meeting John that I saw him and realized exactly what happened.
    Waayyyy too many times have my friends and I experienced getting ganked by this dude inside the ship, alone or not. I’m glad John is gone. If I ever meet him again, I hope he’s not himself by then 💀

  • @DUMBenic
    @DUMBenic หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "When John attacks you, he will shoot out his tongue and attempt to grab you"
    L4D2 players getting PTSD from smokers: 💀💀💀

    • @korvo3427
      @korvo3427 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The smoker is from L4D1

    • @SimonPetrikov12
      @SimonPetrikov12 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lol yeah

  • @nosks_stopmotions
    @nosks_stopmotions 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    me and my friends now scream "ITS JOHN" and we all know what we're talking about, thank you ego

  • @Issengan
    @Issengan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    "what does the fox say" they asked.
    *The fox has had enough*

  • @enginerd108
    @enginerd108 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    my biggest issue with the fox is I can't find clear ways to avoid the fox if it spawns (I play multiplayer), so I basically need a shovel. You already pretty much need a flashlight, so an extra shovel seems like a pain in the ass

  • @renaultft1917
    @renaultft1917 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Well, no more Johns.

  • @princesscadance197
    @princesscadance197 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    ‘Smoker’s got me!’

  • @silly_the_goober
    @silly_the_goober 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    dude i never realised that that the face looked like that i thought its head was always sideways

  • @rayradiant1828
    @rayradiant1828 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The opening gives the same energy "So, I bet you're wondering how I got here..."

  • @astro2121
    @astro2121 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    who's here after John got temporarily removed from the game?

  • @gabrielewilson4678
    @gabrielewilson4678 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    the kidnapper fox(john) is why so many people are afraid to go outside and touch grass(probs because it kills you in the grass/weeds), the kidnapper fox(john) is why we have so many hermits in the world.

  • @redunant
    @redunant 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Hey i have some questions :
    1) I heard and experienced that if you enter contact with John mouth, it will insta kill you but is it true only in his kill zone or everywhere in the map ?
    2) Does vein shroud number save between days if you stay on the same moon ?
    3) Does the 18 seconds timer start if you walk into the ship without stepping into his nest ?

    • @OblivionFalls
      @OblivionFalls 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I wish we knew more about the Vain Shrouds.
      We had a session recently where we visited Artifice 12 times in a row with zero vain shrouds. Then, a few vain shrouds appeared, and the number of vain shrouds increased over the next 3 days. Then we had 12 straight days where John appeared every single time. Vain shrouds appearing on the Company moon, but they seemed stuck to the ship itself and would lift into the sky with us when we departed. Is the idea that the the plants get stuck to the ship and spread from moon to moon as we land and take off? I wish we had detailed info on this.

    • @chboo1897
      @chboo1897 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      1) No, only within 7 units of his nest while being dragged or within 16 units of his nest for up to 2.5 seconds after hitting.
      2)Yes, it only resets when you make a new save.
      3)It only exists in phase 2, so no.

    • @lightningfinger
      @lightningfinger 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@OblivionFalls i am pretty sure it says in the bio for it (or the kidnapper fox's), the way they spread is by attaching to ships and spreading

    • @toastr1255
      @toastr1255 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@lightningfinger I think you're thinking of how the kidnapper fox stows away on ships to reach new planets. The vain shrouds have their seeds purposely spread by the company to get employees to buy more weed killer

    • @A.please_insert_witty_text.M
      @A.please_insert_witty_text.M 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lightningfinger The Kidnapper Foxes stowaway on ships and they end up carrying Vain Shroud spores that get stuck to them onto other moons.

  • @EssentialJay
    @EssentialJay 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Missed opportunity to name him Swipper

  • @PlutoIsntReal_
    @PlutoIsntReal_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    John would be less hated i feel if he had a nest like the Baboon Hawks that spawns further away from the ship

  • @SomeCertainMycorian
    @SomeCertainMycorian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Fox that kidnapps

  • @FrahdChikun
    @FrahdChikun หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    With V60 out, it looks like the fox got temporarily banned for spawn camping, heh.

  • @dudewswaggames
    @dudewswaggames หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is literally the worst enemy in the entire game. And not only that, Zeekers was told not to release it by the community testers, and they "fixed it". Only to release the update without the fix.
    They promptly removed john from the game for the meantime, Lmao.

    • @yoshi20105
      @yoshi20105 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      forest giants are way worse

    • @replacableVessel
      @replacableVessel หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      They way it looks and the sound design are excellent, the design perspective of a threat to people that stay on the ship is also excellent, however the mechanic of the vain shrouds is the main problem with how they work

    • @korvo3427
      @korvo3427 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's back. I just got killed by it.

    • @dudewswaggames
      @dudewswaggames 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@korvo3427 😦

    • @appeli1
      @appeli1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@korvo3427was it a save where the fox was still in the game?

  • @crisperstorm
    @crisperstorm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Just wish he didn't spawn on experimentation at all. Too big of a scare when people are still running from hoarding bugs not knowing if they're a threat or not

  • @Chris_Tootoo
    @Chris_Tootoo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    Does anyone else think 7 hits is a little too much health?

    • @magiusfantasia5506
      @magiusfantasia5506 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Considering the it can't attack unless it's within a certain range of its nest, I think 7 is fine. Giving it any less HP would feel like it would be too weak.

    • @toastr1255
      @toastr1255 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      It's tanky, but that's honestly fine. When you kill it, you won't have to deal with it for the rest of the day since another one can't spawn. It's similar to the bracken, which has 2 less hp but is hard to hit without a shotgun due to it being able to instakill you anywhere.

    • @ruzudemeve
      @ruzudemeve 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Honestly 7 is fine.

    • @Captain_Fucking_Obvious
      @Captain_Fucking_Obvious 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toastr1255 the bracken only has 3 health, the fox has over double lmao

    • @Ralseee
      @Ralseee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@toastr1255 bro a bracken has 3 hp, do your math right

  • @RaxusXeronos
    @RaxusXeronos 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    From what I've seen and what people are saying, his kill range should not be anywhere near the ship. It kinda looks like he's a bit of a spawncamper. His nest's initial point should be set to spawn somewhere a certain distance away from the LZ. I also dunno if his attack range also increases with nest range but I assume not since it wasn't shown or said to expand. So I'm assuming it's just where the nest initially was set up.

  • @mtgmuffintemplar2862
    @mtgmuffintemplar2862 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    "before you skip..."
    skips

  • @nombreraro5213
    @nombreraro5213 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I, and I assume a lot of other players also, would probably not dislike John as much if vain shrouds didn't seem to spawn specifically on the shuttle in pretty much every map. The only time I have had vain shrouds spawn elsewhere on the map was on Offense and Titan, the latter of which still being extremely close to the ship anyways, and the former being right up at the main entrance. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but most people seem to have the same opinion of John being a bit bs.
    At least with this video, I know how to counter it, so there's something good! I appreciate the deep dive on the AI in this game, especially for John.

  • @Zongleflork-z7j
    @Zongleflork-z7j 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Imagine David Attenborough on lethal company

  • @ShasOSwoll
    @ShasOSwoll 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Whoever is doing the SponsorBlock segments for this channel, god bless

    • @vynniev9611
      @vynniev9611 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol shhh

  • @Kingsonicwahoo
    @Kingsonicwahoo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:36 skip ad

  • @raven_2911
    @raven_2911 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Was really wondering about this dude cuz when playing I just didn't understand it exactly. Thought it was almost an insta-death, but shovels are important now.

  • @rossiyan5298
    @rossiyan5298 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    PLEASE make a video on the AI behind roaming locusts 🙏🙏🙏

  • @potatomining4806
    @potatomining4806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m already using mods to stop John from spawning. I’ve had John insta spawn on low tier moons on our fist day, immediately losing a third of my team

  • @ToastyCarnotaur
    @ToastyCarnotaur 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the fox would be such a cool enemy if the vain shrouds didn't always spawn around the ship. i don't think i've ever seen them not completely surrounding the ship

  • @09bonkers
    @09bonkers 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    JOHN SHOULDN’T SPAWN IN EMBRION 🗣️

  • @Unity_Space_Cyber
    @Unity_Space_Cyber 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Sir, there is another enemy called old birds... I think they attack everyone.

    • @sdfggdfg5fgdfg
      @sdfggdfg5fgdfg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      He said hawks are the only enemy that TARGETS John. Old birds *can kill* John, just as dogs *can kill* john. They will never actively TARGET john

    • @averagejoe2301
      @averagejoe2301 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But hawks attack pretty much almost everything to . I’ve seem them target dogs, giants, robots, and like idk anything that moves I assume. So like they actively target everything.

    • @Rage_WinterchiIl
      @Rage_WinterchiIl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      played a ton of artifice with weeds completely taking over the map, never once did it seem like the old birds paid the kidnapper fox any mind

  • @Superdavo0001
    @Superdavo0001 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Literally the addition which broke Lethal Company, it still spawns way too close to the ship & wipes teams way too easily. I hope Zeekers mega-nerfs it soon because in the meantime it requires mods to actually be playable

    • @aq_ua
      @aq_ua หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's getting disabled for version 60 according to him. Take that as you will.

  • @natethegrape3337
    @natethegrape3337 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    if you have a group at the ship its also very effective to have everyone with shovels gang up on him since he has a small stun every time he gets hit, so stun locking is very much possible with I think 2-3 or more players. probably easier with knife to stun lock him as well.

  • @gameboy-gf4pc
    @gameboy-gf4pc หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I cannot wait for you to explain the AI of the ghost girl because that one is by far one of the most interesting AIs, next to the bracken definitely.

  • @ElatedsRecRoomStuff
    @ElatedsRecRoomStuff 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:53
    John: "Huh? A! AHHH-"

  • @TheMagic1412
    @TheMagic1412 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1:18 somehow john jumped scared me lmao!!

  • @Yoda692
    @Yoda692 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can hear the ship guy grabbing the radio and screaming into it

  • @lemone630
    @lemone630 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First time I encountered one of these I hit them with that 'SWIPER NO SWIPING!'

  • @Cappy-Bara
    @Cappy-Bara 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Also, the fox can't pull you off a ladder, so you are safe there. It's also easy to hit him when he enters the ship, though I recommend you use the file cabinet to wedge yourself if you get caught

  • @micahhonig1575
    @micahhonig1575 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've been waiting for this video specifically. the fox has started absolutely destroying runs for me and my friends.

  • @Dkay.offical
    @Dkay.offical 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I actually witnessed john getting folded by the blind dog but that might of been a bug since it was in the beta version

    • @sdfggdfg5fgdfg
      @sdfggdfg5fgdfg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      no. he said in a video that John can be killed by outdoor entities. But the only entity that actively TARGETS him are hawks. Dogs do not TARGET him but they do KILL him

    • @ZackagonXM
      @ZackagonXM 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@sdfggdfg5fgdfg
      Hawks and Dogs can only attack John via hearing

  • @daubeny8071
    @daubeny8071 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really think these informational videos shouldn't have ads slapped in the middle of them ngl.

    • @tomfooler9398
      @tomfooler9398 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro is getting tongued as we speak

  • @munetanimashiro8375
    @munetanimashiro8375 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    *This video is sponsored by War Thunder*
    Me with 1944,2 hours in this game: *Air Forces Vol.1 Original Game Soundtrack - Red-Starred Avengers playing in full blast*

  • @lonelyPorterCH
    @lonelyPorterCH 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That stupid thing spawnd right under our ship once and ate our mission control guy^^
    Mean things

  • @fadesaway
    @fadesaway 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "I'M GETTING DRAGGED AWAY-"

  • @blitzball9915
    @blitzball9915 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    The fact that nobody can stay in the ship to monitor the cameras is ridiculous. By far the most unfun creature of this game

    • @AaronScotz
      @AaronScotz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Agreed. I've seen people put furniture at the ship doors now since that apparently blocks them.

    • @A.please_insert_witty_text.M
      @A.please_insert_witty_text.M 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blitzball9915 I think it's alright as long as you can stop it by shutting the door before it actually gets in. It serves as another thing for terminal players to do on the job.

    • @CrazyCormac
      @CrazyCormac 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I totally agree.. this is the worst addition to the game.. me and my friends dropped it.. until either they remove him or nerf him.. all the other monsters are fun and I dont remember if we ever got soo irritated over a monster before.. but when this guy came out, it was ridiculous.. worst update ever.. the dev has started to ruin his own game just like AAA games..

    • @TheWonkster
      @TheWonkster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@CrazyCorimac it's really not THAT serious. It's just overtuned because it's new.

    • @Leonlonnyluv
      @Leonlonnyluv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Like the idea of giving ship players some actual struggles (besides dogs or mimics) is cool but RN it's just WAY too dangerous.
      Maybe the fox should Make a loud noise before coming onto the ship to warn the Ship player.
      Closing the door right infront of the foxes face should also stop the fox's agro on that player.
      That could turn THAT mechanic into like a cool, fnaf like micro management thing for the ship player which could be pretty fun.

  • @raddelydackelydack
    @raddelydackelydack 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    its so cool how unique the monster AIs in this game are

  • @PonyRapperMagro
    @PonyRapperMagro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    my first and so far only encounter with john was getting hit once while on the ship late evening on titan, and just immediately picking up a shovel and sprinting out after it shouting "COME HERE"
    im not trapped on this moon with john, hes trapped on here with ME

  • @Ralseee
    @Ralseee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    these credits requirement are getting out of hand

  • @davidlobatocolon
    @davidlobatocolon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember when I brought a boom box to play outside the ship, almost immediately I got decapitated.

  • @theminigameschannel1373
    @theminigameschannel1373 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    R.I.P John

  • @nuschi550
    @nuschi550 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As good as your videos are, and as helpful as they've been, you cannot make me play War Thunder.

  • @waddledean558
    @waddledean558 หลายเดือนก่อน

    important note, the previous method of blocking off the ship with the bunk bed and shelf CAN actually prevent him from pulling someone out of the ship, however you probably wont be of much help considering how much john likes tonguing the terminal worker.

  • @The-EJ-Factor
    @The-EJ-Factor หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Giants are far more annoying, why does everyone hate this guy?

    • @raphy2499
      @raphy2499 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Giants can be avoided
      John can't

  • @Splilp
    @Splilp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dude i went on artiface last night and the entire map was covered in the shrouds

  • @GodlyNib
    @GodlyNib 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does the door function become inaccessible to everyone on the ship, or just the person that's caught by the fox?

  • @jacksonsutrick1361
    @jacksonsutrick1361 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just want to say these videos are amazing. Gives me a lot of appreciation for Zeekers to see all the background stuff he does gor this game

  • @jacksonholder2987
    @jacksonholder2987 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ah yes, John, or his full name, John Company

    • @ZackagonXM
      @ZackagonXM 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      “Hey guys! Welcome back to my very much fine and definitely humane TH-cam channel! You cannot leave… not until you’ve completed the quota of liking and subscribing! Speaking of TH-cam, let me introduce you to the most accurate depiction of what minimum wage is like in the United States! In this game, you play as John Company- hold on, I’m getting a call from the Company... Wait, John is already taken!? No. I’m still calling him John… The f@ck do you mean Nuh uh!? I-… what am I supposed to call him then? … Who the hell is Steve Jobs?”

    • @niono1587
      @niono1587 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Alongside his famous catchphrase "Looks like we got company!"

  • @mnkvr317
    @mnkvr317 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What the fuc- kidnapper fox
    Hazard Level: A
    Hits to kill: 7
    Attack DMG: insta-kill
    Max Spawn: 1
    Most common on: N/A

  • @Макаронноизбранныйпират
    @Макаронноизбранныйпират 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ah, yes, John Vainshroud himself graced us with his presence

  • @BatBoy2627
    @BatBoy2627 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quick tip: put the bunkbed near the middle of your ship to make a makeshift wall. Saved my life once as it was pulling me I was able to get stuck on the bunkbeds and survive. Best way to protect your ship captain.

  • @ekal3_YT
    @ekal3_YT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    manticoils next please

  • @eggofwah4852
    @eggofwah4852 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What happens if there's an object between you and the fox while he's pulling you that's stopping you from being pulled?

  • @gremlin0O0
    @gremlin0O0 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    somebody needs to make a mod for john to be turned into the smoker from l4d2 😭

  • @somethingsomething-p1y
    @somethingsomething-p1y 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    when i first saw john in the new update it scared the hell out of me

  • @Arimanito1010
    @Arimanito1010 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    7:30 thank u love u, u ere the best

  • @PGF1892
    @PGF1892 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even though they dont have a most common moon, i'd say it'd be Artifice. I have seen SO many on artifice. My first encounter with one was on artifice.