How Scale AI works
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- How Scale AI actually works. One of the hottest AI startups right now is taking the world by storm. Founded by Alexandr Wang (MIT dropout) and Lucy Guo (Carnegie Mellon dropout), Scale AI is a San Francisco-based company that helps other companies label and curate data for artificial intelligence applications. In this video, we uncover the truth and secrets of the company that's led to its current $7 billion valuation.
Free tech newsletter 👇
www.darkmodedigest.com
Learn about why Sam Altman was FIRED:
• OpenAI fires Sam Altma...
Learn more about Mira Murati:
• The mysterious woman b...
Subscribe to @DarkModeDigest for more tech stories and insights!
- Loryn from Dark Mode Digest
----
Dark Mode Digest socials
/ darkmodedigest
/ darkmodedigest
/ darkmodedigest
www.darkmodedigest.com
----
Video chapters:
00:00 Intro to Scale AI
01:07 Early days of Scale AI
04:41 Scale AI today
08:21 The dark side of Scale AI
09:56 The future of AI and Scale
11:05 Closing remarks of Scale AI
11:50 Ending - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
![[Watch Party] RoV APL 2024 Bacon VS TDT ( AlmonP Wanoiz )](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LvZvKzu3VSk/mqdefault.jpg)
I've been involved in Computer Vision for a long time now (in a third world country). I was part of a team that built an internal product similar to Scale AI (data-labelling) around 3, 4 years before these guys. This was an internal product that was never intended for public release.
What Scale AI did was something everyone was already doing in silos, i.e. exploiting workers for data labelling. The only difference is that he made a service out of it. Whereas others only did it for their own companies (internal-only). This is often not discussed when people talk about the dark side of Scale AI. The guy didn't invent the dark side, it already existed, he just capitalised on it better (cuz silicon valley).
"he just".. yes, he just did something better.. he did something better
Hi. I’m impressed to hear that you’ve been involved in computer vision for years. Please let’s get in touch. I have some projects I need to process with computer vision and machine learning. I’m willing to pay for your services
I worked with someone at a startup in SF who was a top exec at Scale AI. He said their whole business is a house of cards bound to fall. Fun fact.
ah interesting. Yeah I was always skeptical about its business. Scale's essentially a glorified data labeling agency. There's def demand and a business for this. BUT a $7.3 BILLION business?? I'm not sure about it
Love that fact that a lot of high valued startups are glorified story covering non-scalable businesses.
But hey who cares about that when you already get paid before you get find out :D
Rinse and repeat.
@@alvin3171997 Welcome to Silicon Valley
So dont VCs do due diligence before investing? top investors have some really smart people
@@AdityaSharma-gg6rc They're betting on these companies years ahead of their current state (at that point in time, few are doing what they do), and they're betting on the fact they have a high enough valuation that when they go public or get acquired, they can cash out big regardless of underlying fundamental value or future prospect.
I don't usually comment but I feel obliged to say, thank you so so much for this! I was always very interested in scale ai but I didn't understand what they really did and I couldn't find anyone explaining what they did exactly. This video was sufficiently comprehensive and even addressed things that I didn't even know were happening like the dark side of scale ai. I also liked that you explained things like APIs in a very understandable way with good examples which was also something that I didn't see a lot. If I could give any advice, I'd say I'd prefer if there was less stock photos and more slides like at 1:58 which was a visual but also explanatory but that might be a personal preference for me.Either way, keep up the good work!
thank you so much for the love and feedback! Im glad you found this video insightful and learned something. Your feedback about using less stock is very valuable and i appreciate it. I will use less in my future videos. Must love ❤
They are beginning to replace low priced DS people with AI automation as of late 2022, as THAT is their present and future path- not offshoring.
@@amdenis yeah for sure. ai automation has always been in their plans. But it'll take time for their data labeling to be fully ai automated
I am so happy I found this channel. The joy of finding a new channel you get to binge the entire library of videos 🎉
Appreciate it! Hope you like the rest of my videos :)
I'm from Africa (Kenya), and I used to do data labelling for remotask back when I was in my first year of college. I only did the tasks for 3 days, then quit because the pay was shit.
oh gotcha. Sorry about the shitty pay. What was the work like?
If the pay is considered bad in Kenya then it’s gotta be really shit
Which was your hourly payment?
@@WangMotionsfor context as to how terrible it is, I have members of family in Nairobi Kenya (considered quite expensive) who can live off $150 a month easily
@@DarkModeDigestboring as you can imagine - Data labelling. And challenging as hell especially when you are not the original data owner. You can just BS labelling with your own views hence leading to generating fake data. Go figure.
So get into Ivy League school> dropout>start a company in the AI space > get a billion dollar valuation.
thats the ponzi scheme recipe
I remember when they started the company at YC back in 2016
Yep Scale API back in the days
And??? If that is the whole statement, it provides a very bad return on investment of my time..
Literally a sweatshop with Silicon Valley aesthetics
yeah not sure how long it can last
Great video, your video quality and voice over are outstanding, you sound like a seasoned creator.
Thank you. Glad it’s insightful!
didn't knew this one, well done! Subscribed. 👍
glad you found it insightful. Thank you!
I didn't know about the company before but I knew about Remotask. Creating in-house agency is good but the working condition is terrible and shouldn't be welcomed. Remotaskers were literally suffering just to make Scale AI founder the youngest billionaire. Considering the cost of internet data and the low payment, it's totally unfair.
yeah for sure. A lot of companies do this, unfortunately
Yo… this is literally so real. My uncle worked in remotask and he literally gets little salary.
@@gailleamolong9149 sorry to hear about that. unfortunately this is the capitalist world
@@gailleamolong9149 maybe your uncle quality is low and slow to finish the task.
Everything that goes up ... Well, I bet he knows what's coming
Great video! Subscribed
glad you found it insightful and thanks for the support!
interesting video. what do you think would need to happen for scale ai to actually crash?
It's inferable from watching Alex's Ted talk that ethics is not first priority. However, I would agree with him that Scale's business model is equivalent to selling mining supplies.
they want to do the most they can to accelerate AI developments for the US. and yes they want to supply the picks and shovels during this AI gold rush
really well made video.
thank you! glad you enjoyed :)
Agreed
Very informative
Thank you! Glad it was insightful :)
Nice video, subscribed.
thank you 🙌 appreciate the love
Insightful
thank you! glad you liked it :)
Love your channel
Thank you! :)
Would scale ai be considered SAAS? Also, is it true that Scale ai at first was an ML agency company? Thanks for the quality video!
if by SAAS you mean Software as a Service, then kind of. They do provide software to help companies build their AI and LLMs like Spellbook. But I see them more of a service-based company (at least for now) where they help annotate, curate, and collect companies' data to power their own AI applications.
As for your 2nd question, they kind of were an ML agency. More like they provided taskers on demand for things like content moderation, data labeling, etc. Not specifically for AI, then pivoted to focus on AI once there was a huge demand for it.
Glad you found this video insightful!
I would say they are a combination of both SaaS and consulting firm similar to Palantir. If you have a unique use case, they can tailor their pipelines to your needs given you shell out the $$. I think their end goal is pure SaaS where they sell their labeling models to companies.
@@IIGrudge 💯
Damn good summary of Scale! Could you make a video covering contrastive learning?
thank you! I'm glad this was easy to understand. And thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks for your video , I was contacted by this company recently for remote work and I came here to your channel looking for more information. Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
Awesome glad it was helpful! And greetings from New York 🇺🇸
I work as a freelancer for Scale (remotask), and while there are certainly challenges with the international workers, including a lot of scammers, the American workers are generally paid fairly. However, the platform we work on can be quite chaotic and to note that pay varies depending on your state and workers profile, with Scale paying at least the minimum wage across the board.
US workers are generally protected by strict regulations. Other countries unfortunately don't have the same level of protection
@seawallbreeze9616 I wanted to become what they call a contributor and work for them as you do, but I want to check rates before I start the process to compare if Remotask is the best option.. do you know of any other company that does the same? I'd appreciate any guidance here. Thank you!
crazy valuation!!!
yes indeed. But not the craziest we've seen
Is Scale AI company working in Share market with the help of robot ??
great channel. I was always confused as to exactly what Scale did, given how human labeling is so expensive.
Thank you! I was confused as well. That’s what prompted me to create this video :)
Normally an Answered Logically viewer. Subbed.
thank you! appreciate it :) I love Answered Logically
Looking at your channel which is quite new as compared to average channels, your video and content quality is very high, how you managing it ? Outsourcing the video editing??
Thank you! yes just started making long-form videos last month. As for the video, I only outsource the video editing. I do the script and voiceover :)
@@DarkModeDigest I suggest to you at the same time to focus on short content "TH-cam shorts" this will make your channel better
"600 employees". That says it all. The remaining 240000 were "annotators".
yeah those annotators are contractors
Today I find out this channel!! When I entered the channel, I was surprised that it was new!!! Your speaking way is exciting and rly good!! abt the scale ai I am a very interested in the Forbes billionaire list and follow their updates about the youngest rich in the world. I used to see Alexandr Wang as a creative person cuz he is self-made at such young age and not the same as those Currently on the list at 2023 like the two young Korean girls who inherited a gaming company after their dad death or the 17 year old boy who is Italian family heir and he become billionaire after his dad death too , but Remotasks it really shocked me It's a disappointment
Thanks for your comment! Yes i just started this channel. and the Forbes list was authentic at first, but now it's more about who you know and politics. Def lost its credibility over the years.
Truely the story of an smart nerd turning into evil genius and selling out. The tale of a brilliant intellectual evolving into a sinister mastermind and compromising their principles for personal gain
nice way of summarizing :)
woa, I worked for Remotask before, so this was that story
ah cool. Yep, they're from Scale
Interesting. But I am skeptical about the "dark side". It is the whole economic system that is broken that people have to work for pennies, Scale AI isn't directly responsible for that. They don't force people from other countries to work for them... Getting a dollar per hour in some mineral mine vs next to a computer is a big difference. It all depends on a lot of things...
Thanks for your comment and insight. Yes, you're right. I was reacting to how poorly they treated those workers. It's more on the whole system. Apple infamously did this with their iPhone production. But at the end of the day, it is business and those workers may not have jobs otherwise.
are you kidding ?? these company do that on purpose. and they know the truth aswell they paying very little to people they employee from other countries. They just want to make more money.
Alexandr is that you bud?
@@techworld3043 yep like i said, it's just business
@@epireve lol 👀
Just thinking, is creating an Ai model that can label images more sustainable and better
Yep definitely. Scale’s probably building that out but it’ll be a while for it to fully work. In the meantime, they need human labelers
bro just casually included a clip of a soldier getting killed next to a headless body
Yeah I’m so sorry for that. I just cut it out using the TH-cam editor
sir scale ai = borsaai (saai) is it right or not pls reply me?
Hey not sure what you mean. Can you expand on this>?
@@DarkModeDigest sir market main borsaai namka ek investment app chal raha hai jo mahina main double kar deta hai but uska name scale ai hai aur iso certificate v uske paas hai aur PlayStore par saai namka ek app hai kya app bata sakte hai uniq hai ya froud?? 🙏
Great content, but I wish you add subtitle in English, it helpful a lot
thank you! you can actually turn them on with youtube's media player. just click on the CC icon!
The biggest trouble with service-based companies is their TROUBLE IN SCALING.
Yep 💯
Humans label things that will change in a few years. AI is trained on the past, things always change (what if the gov decide to change the shape of the pedestrian lines?)
I just don't understand how this area won't be swamped with competitors...
Because a solution like ChatGPT will take over this business
@@hafizuddinmohdlowhim8426 kind of. They help power the models that go into GPT
There are competitors. Scale has just done a better job of penetrating the market. Also, better brand, marketing, and founder recognition as the 2 founders (Alex and Lucy) have made a name for themselves across Silicon Valley and tech.
@@DarkModeDigestStill doesn't justify the slavery how is that better
@@DarkModeDigest Do you know any competitors company name? I'd like to compare payment/hour or task. Thank you! Loved your video
I remember when joma tech was fired by them. Time flies.
yess I remember that video. Just to clarify: he actually never got fired because he was never hired. He got rejected during the interviews 😉:)
@@DarkModeDigest oh yeah my bad! you're correct
@@hassaannoor all good brother!
So it’s a sweat shop for data labelling.
Sounds about right
Thoughts on the co founder Lucy Guo? Is she the real deal or overhyped
She's legit and the real deal. Definition of 'work hard play hard' i would say. If you look at what she's done and what she's currently doing, she knows how to grow, execute. Passes (her current startup) continues to grow exponentially despite being in a very competitive space. She has her own VC fund which she frequently invests in. Look at what Scale has become. She was a thiel fellow and worked at faang companies during the golden years of the valley. and then i say she also plays hard because she parties like no other. Only person i know that can pull off throwing a mini festival for her birthday in miami. She calls it "Lucypalooza". She deserves all the hype.
If it "REALLY WAS AI" it would be able to recognize the data and "categorize" (label) it itself. Just how many "labels" are there, how many "bins" are used to determine which "bin" the data belongs in. In the end it is just a sophisticated electronic "filing cabinet" and not any form of "intelligence", artificial or otherwise. Will it create any new ideas???
i'm pretty sure that's what Scale is planning to do. But, they need to hire humans to do that now to train their own models to eventually AI the AI. It'll take some time for this to happen though
@@DarkModeDigest Having been involved is the installation of several corporate data systems, and even creating fundamental design specs for the inhouse IT to built systems. THAT WAS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, putting labels on the data so it was stored in a way that the software would produce reports that had some meaning. And this was so even when it was an accounting system, a plant maintenance management system, a parts and materials management system etc. There was no two people that could agree on a naming or categorizing system for the data, and then even the people actually entering the data had their own ideas about what "category" code to place a transaction data in. This got even worse when there were two or three levels of categories used to classify the transaction data. Then for years there has been all these promises of IT data "analysis" and "reporting". Implying that the data did not have to be "pre-structured" and "categorized" for IT to produce "meaningful reporting". Is that just a big BS S**t Pile???
They are a start up, thus providing a fast solution but maybe not sustainable yet, is logical. They will improve their technology along the way.
yes 100%. Startups have the benefit of being small and nimble-no bureaucracy like big companies.
I prefer crypto AI, since it allows retail investors to participate and to actually contribute to the AI growth.
They have label farms
Yep
I tried sneaking in to their operations when they first launched@@DarkModeDigest . People don't know they used labor wage arbitraged. Billionaires make their money from exploitation.
I still don't understand what they do. Sounds more like a consulting firm than a product company...
They are basically a consulting firm. They make use of clients' data. Mostly the government. But, you can bet they're building tech to eventually rid themselves of their human labelers so that it can all be automated... but it'll take years before this comes
why did her resignation post indicate her relationship status and where she can live - so weird
children working 1 dollar an hour for 12 hours a day in venezuela philippines or thailand,?
honestly prob all these countries :(
Who would let their child do this work?
@@InternetStranger10101 when they really need the money and/or children just doing it on their own without parental consent
@@InternetStranger10101😂😂In Thailand, parents send their sons into prostitution and their daughters give them parts of the profits.
No matter how much these AI companies and application collect data from end user and train their model, the moment we stop using mobile and other smart devices these AI model and Application will be of no use.
This is true. But, we’ll never stop using them. Humanity is increasingly becoming more and more online. Unless we have an apocalyptic occurrence, we’ll continue to use our devices and be on the internet. Its too ingrained in our lives now to stop
2:43 why was it at all relevant Lucy was "single"... lol
nothing 😂 it was just something subtle I baked in there for fun for those paying close attention
@@DarkModeDigest lmfao. I thought that was an official company memo or somethin. well played sir
@@laidback-luc it was actually mentioned in an article (I think Forbes maybe)
Cool, how does it get its Big Data though? It doesn't have Tesla's recording paths and objects?I guess he has people to manually label things for Tesla?
God bless.
Good question. My guess is a combination of acquiring them through open-source and everything on the internet, as well as paying data companies. Now, they prob get a solid amount of data from their clients as well. Then, they use their labelers to annotate and make use of the data.
many laborer paid in less than $1 an hour-false information. still working in this and the pay is good
Its based on location. where are you based? and how long have you been working?
Saw 999 subscribers, hit subscribe and now 1k 😊
thank you! appreciate the love 🙌
I dont know who to trust. My logic is still saying, the US should be the one to be blamed.
Without them, theres no war.
in this game, you can't really trust anyone. Just have to choose who to side with
Scale AI / Remotasks was a profound waste of my time. Incredibly poor management and communication.
Ohh you worked there? Can you expand more on how the working conditions were?
sorry to hear it wasn't very good
You can't have an oppinion on the work conditions unless you speak with someone who's been there
i spoke to a few people. And many have commented here about their experience as well :)
Did not expect to see a human being being bombed in a tech video. You shouldn't use b-roll that spicy, especially when isn't needed to tell the story of ScaleAI.
time stamp?
@@jlau047:10
You're right i shouldn't have done that. I apologize for that. i got carried away with trying to show real clips of war that i didn't think about the sensitivity of the clip.
Not that big a deal dude, I honestly didn’t even notice it
Bruh
Can Scale AI scale the growing poverty in the world?
i think you mean help with reducing poverty?
@@DarkModeDigest Yes, my idol, "help" is the right word.
If OpenAI hired ScaleAI to do the job of making chatGPT useful, I’d have to say they did a vert bad job by ruining chatGPT. Bunch of losers
how did they ruin it? do you mean ethically ruin it? Because it's pretty damn good. Its ability to produce relative contextual responses is crazy
【報告】救命啊😢王
What happened?
the president of ch1na is coming for him. haha!
lol maybe
Imagine america nukes your country. then you go and improve its military like a simp.
boy that company a real scam they promise you 45 h an hour only to get cents later on or nothing. stick to real job fellassss
facts
@@DarkModeDigest Why? Please explaine more about it. I've just been accepted to work for them.
@@vicenteraulfernandezcastan7871heard a lot of people complain about poor working conditions for little pay. They promise you certain pay but don't actually deliver on promises
paying your employees $1/hr is altruistic. You're just giving them an option. These people would be working for free or less than $1/hr otherwise because if they could make more than $1/hr, they would just do that. Capitalism 101.
This is true. But i'd also argue that the company has a responsibility to treat its employees (even contractors) fairly. These are people working for you. But unfortunately, many companies don't. This is indeed capitalism 101.
@@DarkModeDigest what does that even mean lol? Treating employees 'fairly'? Only people who have never made a deal in their life use a term like that. At the end of the day, we make deals with people. If you don't like the deal, you can decide not to take it, or leave. 'Fair' is subjective and nonsensical.
@@geneherald8169 Things like providing a little better work environment or paying a little bit more. But I agree with you at the end of the day it's business. As a worker, you're choosing to work for these companies.
@@DarkModeDigest I know the smaller the communities, a socialist mindset is better which is largely why people have it. But frankly this trend in the West towards socialism needs to stop. People are brainwashed. A good resource is 'Sapiens' by Yuval Noah Harrari, chapter 16, 'the capitalist creed'.
This aside, I appreciate the hard work you put into this video, we need more of that in this country.
@@geneherald8169 I appreciate your comments and thoughts. I will look into Sapiens! :)
“You don’t get to a billion dollars company without some shady stuff happening behind the scenes” - that’s a stupid statement. You are young and obviously don’t realize that Scale will soon replace most of its low-cost labor with AI automation. Based on your statements you don’t believe this is possible, so you will have to just wait and watch what happens and be surprised. I have been in AI since the early 90’s and DL for almost 9 years.
Still, if u want to be a billionaire u have to do shady things, that’s facts man
Just like Uber replaced its drivers with Self Driving Cars.
Sounds like a glorified manual labour hiring company.
HA right! But in all seriousness, they are more than that. They have a whole annotation service as well as a whole platform for LLM apps
So not just manual labor hiring :)
stop it with this AI will be sentient sooner than you think speak. Not only is it overdone its incredibly untrue. AI is essentially a glorified guesser that takes inputs and maps them to an output. Yes its incredibly powerful but also incredibly ignorant into what its learning and doing. So please for the love of god stop talking about AI in such a manner and stop quoting Elon Musk cause believe it or not, a man that hasn't done any formal research into AI and is too busy tanking two of his companies is not a reliable source.
I’m not saying this at all.
All this anti-china rhetoric when many American innovators are of Chinese descent, It's hilarious.
Welcome to capitalism
+100