I'm a compositor with 10 years experience working on films like First Man, which won the VFX Oscar this year. The "secret" to Hollywood's green screen work is an extensive roto/paint team. But in terms of keying here's some tips: 1 - denoise the footage so there's no dancing noise 2 - key what's called a "core" matte. This is a matte just for the inside of the object/actor to fill in all the holes 3 - key an "edge" matte. This is a soft matte to capture all the detail 4 - key sections of your footage, isolating them with roto mattes. You generally don't one-click key, you'd key the head/hair with one keyer then additional ones & build up layers of your alpha that you can merge together later 5 - paint your edges back to retain motion blur. This part sucks, but it's neccessary 6 - only focus on the greens near your subject, select an area of hues instead of individual pixels 7 - despill your footage separately to your keying. make your keys on the denoised footage, then mask the despilled footage by the alpha. This helps with better edges and more precise colour management 8 - don't be afraid to use roto masks to fill in gaps of your mask. Seriously, good roto is the key (pun intended) to good compositing If you guys have questions on how we do all this stuff for real, let me know!
@@maximilianullrich2829 Light wrap has no effect on keying an image, only to help integrate a foreground with a background. Re: light wrap - less is more.
Some green screens melt with iron. The best thing to use is a steamer. If you don't have one rent one for like 20 bucks. Get a nice green screen and wrinkles won't be too big of a problem
Major Hollywood production films use rotoscoping that's why they don't care about green screen so much. In Avengers the production instructed the vfx companies not to use keying, just rotoscoping... even for the shots filmed against green screen. They use green screen keying just for the basic core separation and then rotoscoping is taking over. But whenever they do use keying, they apply multiple passes and complex masking...
As backlight I sometimes use a faint magenta colored light filter. That suppresses the green also. Also, some guys have a monitor facing the talent. Most often the one-man-bands do so. Remember to dial down the saturation of that monitor. Especially when the talent is wearing glasses. The green of the monitor will affect the lighting of the talent. So, having it black and white will help big time. These two things saved my life quite a few times.
@@CinecomCrew It kind of makes a lot of sense... Magenta is at the opposite site of the spectrum. that was my idea years ago. The magenta needs to be slightly pink... or faint magenta. A bit subtle... otherwise it would be too obvious. The funny thing is that I have seen others doing this as well. Makes sense, Toch? Of niet? 😉
This channel is great to have on TH-cam right now. I think the filmmaking culture of TH-cam is trending with “120fps, 4K, cinematic, B-ROLL montages”. So it’s nice to see a channel that brings the Hollywood filmmaking tutorials. Not just the same recycled things my TH-cam is filled with. Not to say it’s bad, but i feel it’s the same stuff over and over again. So thank you for an awesome channel!
All those imperfections are absolutely annoying and make the job so much harder, but they have to shoot these huge scenes fast. It's a combination of many rotos and combining a bunch of keys. Also "making up" edges as last resort. Different keyers and methods of keying are used such as different chromas keyers, luminance keyers, red, blue, or green channel keying individually all Frankensteined together if needed. There are tricks but not really secrets to how it's done besides a lot of work, but hey you get paid for it! Love your channel and hopefully that helps a little? Oh also red is opposite of green so it's far easier to track opposite color markers. You have to paint or roto those out
Today , i just bought a 10/20 feet greenscreen,so this video is just what i need😀 Thanks a lot guys!!! I'm a student of your Adobe class,and i wanted to thank you for all the knowledge out there that is shared with us!❤
Waited all day to come home and watch this Love y’all channel and content
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I've been working with greenscreen for a time. You answered many of my concerns that normally pisses me off in post. Thanks buddy this was very useful information!
Waaaaayyyyyyyyyyy much better than Xmen Dark Phoenix!!! We can see in that movie the green screens around actors almost all the time VFX were used.... Great Job Cinecom.net
If you keep the Keylight at the intermediate settings and apply a simple choker along with the other spill suppressor, you get a cleaner result. You can also duplicate the Keylight effect to key different tones of green to get even better results. Building mattes for the footage can also help. Just from my experience.
Great tips! It’s hard to find good, advanced techniques taught so clearly. I would love to see a part two where you guys try to key those “wrinkled, uneven” green screens you showed us at the beginning. Keep up the good work!
I'm learning how to use keylight in after effects now it's so much better than using the ultra key in premiere. Also you can go to the color selector in the colors menu and saturate the green more before picking the actual color to green screen. actually turn the green down in one of my shots because I stood too close to the green screen it made keying out much easier.
The reason why they don't really care about wrinkles is that keying is not a one key process they have different keys for each shade or if its a body they would have a different one for the head and one for the body than one for the legs. And remember the green bazooka in Godzilla? Well, they probably would have rotoed that. Keying is not as easy as a one-click process you also roto in keying people don't know that they just think "Oh its a green screen that means no roto' well their wrong. Also, the reason they have red markers on the green screen is that it puts out contrast from the green screen. Green markers would get lost in the screen due to motion blur. And they would just roto out the red markers remember keying also includes roto.
I think Hollywood productions spend more time Rotoscoping, so they are not doing it in one click. Great tips though. I LOVE the color picker tip, and will now use that EVERY time!!
Hey that was some good tips. I'm gonna try to shoot a green screen video tomorrow. I'm having problems with....everything. Also my editor don't have all that fancy stuff so that sucks. I'm still trying though. Thanks 👍
I’ve been studying professional vfx and I can tell you right out of the start that to get a Hollywood perfect key you’re not using after effects. It takes normally multiple keyers and adjustments to get a “perfect” key
Nice, but you need to soft the edges of the subject with the keylight 1.2 and the lip rollback/skin shrink grow/Screen softness to have a better match with your footage under the subject. And if you add a lightwrapp you'll recreate the light normally created by the scene behind the subject (like a back light as the sun). And if you colormatch your 2 layers to have the same color looks, the result will be a lot better. TO do that, you can split the color signals by red/green/blue only in after effects to see if it's good for each color.
That was actually some very good tips Jordy! Yeah, I don't get it either, why Hollywood doesn't care about getting the green screen perfect. Well they are masters at what they do, so I guess they know how it works... for the clips they have green clothes etc. wouldn't it be much easier to just go for a blue screen? Thanks for reccomending KINETEK, that channel looks really good :-)
They use red on green as its the furthest from green aka opposite side of the color wheel to green. And you can do a simple spot removal with Red giant plugins
Can you please make a Copycat Friday of Chop Suey? :) I would love to learn to make those transitions....... Keep up your good work, Thanks! Oh, I forgot...... *COOL VIDEO, DUDE*
not sure why the Red tracking points but if i was to guess I would say it has something to do with the way red and green are tied to gather in the eye. like how people can suffer from Red/Green color blindness.
@@CinecomCrew Thanks for the answer :) Well, they have the big bucks, so it's understandable. At least we have something pretty good available for us on a "home" budget :)
I'm new to this. Why and how are multiple tracking points used on the green screen? I'm having trouble with the concept. I get about as far as this video where the markers are used but how does it work with moving action? I take it you film what will become the background separately as if the subject was in it. Then combine it with the green screened subject you shot?
I don’t have after affects or anything by a adobe and I have canon powershot sx420 IS and still just barely learning how to use it what should I do also I don’t have a green screen I don’t have a lot or money
Use Davinci Resolve, is free and you can do anything with it. From Fast-Editing to Color Grading, Compositing like After Effects and Audio Work. You don't need a green screen to do stuff with filming, there is plenty of stuff to do without it. First learn basic Editing with Davinci Redolve. Then how to make better videos with Audio, Framing your Subject, Color Grading and just continue from there.
Its there high quality camera bro that's why they are able to pull off green screen so easy. they got great sensor that are easy to be red by ur computer.
As far as I can remember (cause it's been quite some time since I did this) when I used red tape, I did the green key first, then I pre-composed and keyed for red. Either that or I just I just rotoed out the red tape
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Wow, these are great advanced tips for keying. Your videos have been an inspiration for our new post-production channel. Keep up the great work!
Great tips as always and quite a few pointers that I hadn't seen in other tree screen vids.
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I'm a compositor with 10 years experience working on films like First Man, which won the VFX Oscar this year. The "secret" to Hollywood's green screen work is an extensive roto/paint team. But in terms of keying here's some tips:
1 - denoise the footage so there's no dancing noise
2 - key what's called a "core" matte. This is a matte just for the inside of the object/actor to fill in all the holes
3 - key an "edge" matte. This is a soft matte to capture all the detail
4 - key sections of your footage, isolating them with roto mattes. You generally don't one-click key, you'd key the head/hair with one keyer then additional ones & build up layers of your alpha that you can merge together later
5 - paint your edges back to retain motion blur. This part sucks, but it's neccessary
6 - only focus on the greens near your subject, select an area of hues instead of individual pixels
7 - despill your footage separately to your keying. make your keys on the denoised footage, then mask the despilled footage by the alpha. This helps with better edges and more precise colour management
8 - don't be afraid to use roto masks to fill in gaps of your mask. Seriously, good roto is the key (pun intended) to good compositing
If you guys have questions on how we do all this stuff for real, let me know!
Those are some great tips. Thanks for sharing! May I add these to our blog with a contribution to your channel?
@@CinecomCrew Sure, go for it! If you guys are ever looking for blog contributors too I'd love to chat further. Really enjoy your content!
I smell an updated video 😎
What about light wrap?
@@maximilianullrich2829 Light wrap has no effect on keying an image, only to help integrate a foreground with a background. Re: light wrap - less is more.
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If you're starting out with a green screen, make sure to watch our video on how to set one up at home ► th-cam.com/video/ZT1dvq6yacQ/w-d-xo.html
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But bro.. you haven't explained about that "wrinkled" green screens in large scale productions
It's simple, just Iron your green screen 😂😂😂
That was completely overlooked. A lot of their content is like that, actually.
Some green screens melt with iron. The best thing to use is a steamer. If you don't have one rent one for like 20 bucks. Get a nice green screen and wrinkles won't be too big of a problem
The open secret is big Hollywood productions don't actually key anymore. They just roto.
I love that you *were* as confused as I was how Hollywood does green on green and still pulls it off.
Wow, I learned something awesome.
Major Hollywood production films use rotoscoping that's why they don't care about green screen so much. In Avengers the production instructed the vfx companies not to use keying, just rotoscoping... even for the shots filmed against green screen. They use green screen keying just for the basic core separation and then rotoscoping is taking over. But whenever they do use keying, they apply multiple passes and complex masking...
As backlight I sometimes use a faint magenta colored light filter. That suppresses the green also.
Also, some guys have a monitor facing the talent. Most often the one-man-bands do so. Remember to dial down the saturation of that monitor. Especially when the talent is wearing glasses. The green of the monitor will affect the lighting of the talent. So, having it black and white will help big time.
These two things saved my life quite a few times.
Great tips! Definately like that magenta backlight.
@@CinecomCrew It kind of makes a lot of sense... Magenta is at the opposite site of the spectrum. that was my idea years ago.
The magenta needs to be slightly pink... or faint magenta. A bit subtle... otherwise it would be too obvious.
The funny thing is that I have seen others doing this as well.
Makes sense, Toch? Of niet? 😉
This is lit I’ve always wondered about this!
This channel is great to have on TH-cam right now. I think the filmmaking culture of TH-cam is trending with “120fps, 4K, cinematic, B-ROLL montages”. So it’s nice to see a channel that brings the Hollywood filmmaking tutorials. Not just the same recycled things my TH-cam is filled with. Not to say it’s bad, but i feel it’s the same stuff over and over again. So thank you for an awesome channel!
changing the shutter speed ..recalibrating the RED ....must be so tedious... just realised how hard is it...
Thanks Cinecom
Haha, yeah true :D But I batch-calibrated almost every shutterspeed. So it goes quick :-)
oho solti kata bata...
Cinecom is not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need! Thank you so much for the vid.
What do you mean?
All those imperfections are absolutely annoying and make the job so much harder, but they have to shoot these huge scenes fast. It's a combination of many rotos and combining a bunch of keys. Also "making up" edges as last resort. Different keyers and methods of keying are used such as different chromas keyers, luminance keyers, red, blue, or green channel keying individually all Frankensteined together if needed. There are tricks but not really secrets to how it's done besides a lot of work, but hey you get paid for it! Love your channel and hopefully that helps a little?
Oh also red is opposite of green so it's far easier to track opposite color markers. You have to paint or roto those out
I love it every time jordy says .net he has to Ben his knees
Same! btw
@Cinecom.net harted your comment! grats!
One of the most helpful videos I've seen about green screen keying. Thanks!
Today , i just bought a 10/20 feet greenscreen,so this video is just what i need😀 Thanks a lot guys!!!
I'm a student of your Adobe class,and i wanted to thank you for all the knowledge out there that is shared with us!❤
You should ad some magenta back light, it kills the "green halo" and helps with the edges =D
You are by far one of the most healpful, fun, entertaining channels for film makers on TH-cam. Thank you so so much. Keep learning and sharing!
Cinecom.net's videos always brighten my day with a good laugh or two and a ton of knowledge - Thanks!
Waited all day to come home and watch this
Love y’all channel and content
I've been working with greenscreen for a time. You answered many of my concerns that normally pisses me off in post. Thanks buddy this was very useful information!
It was a huge mystery for me...
But then your notification came!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Waaaaayyyyyyyyyyy much better than Xmen Dark Phoenix!!! We can see in that movie the green screens around actors almost all the time VFX were used.... Great Job Cinecom.net
Awesome video Cinecom! Love it!
Great with some tips that go beyond the usual ones!
If you keep the Keylight at the intermediate settings and apply a simple choker along with the other spill suppressor, you get a cleaner result. You can also duplicate the Keylight effect to key different tones of green to get even better results. Building mattes for the footage can also help. Just from my experience.
Wonderful.... as always! 👍
Thank you for all your great information keep it up. I want to do some efx work with green screen still learning
Great tips! It’s hard to find good, advanced techniques taught so clearly. I would love to see a part two where you guys try to key those “wrinkled, uneven” green screens you showed us at the beginning. Keep up the good work!
such an answer to my Hollywood curiosity!
Ooh!!!
You should make a Cinebattle and see who can make the best Chroma Key with a green screen setup by Lorenzo at random
I'm learning how to use keylight in after effects now it's so much better than using the ultra key in premiere. Also you can go to the color selector in the colors menu and saturate the green more before picking the actual color to green screen. actually turn the green down in one of my shots because I stood too close to the green screen it made keying out much easier.
The reason why they don't really care about wrinkles is that keying is not a one key process they have different keys for each shade or if its a body they would have a different one for the head and one for the body than one for the legs. And remember the green bazooka in Godzilla? Well, they probably would have rotoed that. Keying is not as easy as a one-click process you also roto in keying people don't know that they just think "Oh its a green screen that means no roto' well their wrong. Also, the reason they have red markers on the green screen is that it puts out contrast from the green screen. Green markers would get lost in the screen due to motion blur. And they would just roto out the red markers remember keying also includes roto.
I like the warm rimlight. He looks like touched by an angel today! 😇😍
I think Hollywood productions spend more time Rotoscoping, so they are not doing it in one click.
Great tips though. I LOVE the color picker tip, and will now use that EVERY time!!
Hey that was some good tips. I'm gonna try to shoot a green screen video tomorrow. I'm having problems with....everything. Also my editor don't have all that fancy stuff so that sucks. I'm still trying though. Thanks 👍
Hy bro i making ghost flim but i don't have idea please help me
Have you heard of rotoscoping, they use that in Hollywood very heavily.
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Awesome tips my friends. Keep up the good work.
I will never stop watching cinecom even i have become a master in filmmaking❤❤
I’m so glad you did a video like this I’ve always wondered the same exact things! 🤟🎥🎬
That's why I love this channel
Incredible chroma key! 🤘🤘
I always watch sooo many Cinecom videos but I don’t even need to know how to do this stuff, I just looking at behind the scenes I guess.
I like the fact that there is more technicals stuff in you video since you have you RED camera.
Thanks, great tutorial! :)
#4 definitely just made my life 100 times easier.
You guys are the new film riot.
Can't wait for using this Tips!!
I’ve been studying professional vfx and I can tell you right out of the start that to get a Hollywood perfect key you’re not using after effects. It takes normally multiple keyers and adjustments to get a “perfect” key
What is the possibility of me planning a trip from the US to wherever y'all are and get a tour of the studio and get to meet y'all?! Such a big fan!
Probably red markers because its almost the opposite tint - green:magenta making it easier to qualify those markers against a hue map
Nice, but you need to soft the edges of the subject with the keylight 1.2 and the lip rollback/skin shrink grow/Screen softness to have a better match with your footage under the subject. And if you add a lightwrapp you'll recreate the light normally created by the scene behind the subject (like a back light as the sun). And if you colormatch your 2 layers to have the same color looks, the result will be a lot better. TO do that, you can split the color signals by red/green/blue only in after effects to see if it's good for each color.
Thanks a lot for this video, it has helped me so much.........
cool video because its help us small editor to edit without going to editing school hehe
That was actually some very good tips Jordy! Yeah, I don't get it either, why Hollywood doesn't care about getting the green screen perfect. Well they are masters at what they do, so I guess they know how it works... for the clips they have green clothes etc. wouldn't it be much easier to just go for a blue screen?
Thanks for reccomending KINETEK, that channel looks really good :-)
Watch the scene from attack of the clones when Doku is in the Geonosis arena addressing the Jedi, during the scene, just look at his hair.
I think they just use the Green screen for a rough preview and then draw a mask around every frame... 🤔 🤔 🤔
@@luemb9709 that makes sense.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! THIS is quality content!
They use red on green as its the furthest from green aka opposite side of the color wheel to green.
And you can do a simple spot removal with Red giant plugins
Best editor video !
Great video !
Very helpful! Maybe you can make a video about tracking the background with a green screen
Really good job and useful information! Thx u so much!
Can you please make a Copycat Friday of Chop Suey? :) I would love to learn to make those transitions....... Keep up your good work, Thanks!
Oh, I forgot...... *COOL VIDEO, DUDE*
I am here to say "me too" on the Chop Suey video
Me too
Lovely video and keep working like this only can you make a video on Sony A7 versus red Epic footage side by side for low budget filmmaking 😇😇😇😇😇
Thanks for the tips! Great explanation. 👍
not sure why the Red tracking points but if i was to guess I would say it has something to do with the way red and green are tied to gather in the eye. like how people can suffer from Red/Green color blindness.
I think the interior car green screen drive is something I want to do. I see this on Donald Glover’s Atlanta show. Lighting is very important
Great tips. I guess those Hollywood guys either use a different software or use a lot of time on post processing? :)
Yeah, it's mostly hardware based. We used to have something simular at filmschool, it worked incredible.
@@CinecomCrew Thanks for the answer :) Well, they have the big bucks, so it's understandable. At least we have something pretty good available for us on a "home" budget :)
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I'm new to this. Why and how are multiple tracking points used on the green screen? I'm having trouble with the concept. I get about as far as this video where the markers are used but how does it work with moving action? I take it you film what will become the background separately as if the subject was in it. Then combine it with the green screened subject you shot?
I don’t have after affects or anything by a adobe and I have canon powershot sx420 IS and still just barely learning how to use it what should I do also I don’t have a green screen I don’t have a lot or money
Use Davinci Resolve, is free and you can do anything with it. From Fast-Editing to Color Grading, Compositing like After Effects and Audio Work.
You don't need a green screen to do stuff with filming, there is plenty of stuff to do without it.
First learn basic Editing with Davinci Redolve.
Then how to make better videos with Audio, Framing your Subject, Color Grading and just continue from there.
Is there a way to crop out a non-green/blue screen mostly single colour background (Grey) with just premiere pro?
We agree about Kinetek!! They have great 'secret sauce' information :)
I have been wondering this for a wile thank you
hey, is there a tutorial about how to make easy gimbals without a professionell setup? If not, could you pls make one? Nice video btw
LUL i didn’t click the video until I saw it was by cinecom
Same here😂
Suggest some 32 bit video editing software ...please
Many thanks for this video!!
another great tips... Thank You!!
Nice video😎👍
Wsth do you think about the blackmagic cinema pocket camera?
You can copy the ultra key so multiple keys for shades
Can you guys do "Newscasting/Broadcasting Lower Thirds, Transitions, Texts and Titles" ?
Thanks, a lot 😊😊
Its there high quality camera bro that's why they are able to pull off green screen so easy. they got great sensor that are easy to be red by ur computer.
Thank you so much for teaching
Thanks for all the ideas that you gave us cinecom :)
What camera settings should I use for doing greenscreen?
i love the honesty in you learning with us great video
Great tips! But at 6:00, priceless 👏🏽👍🏽
Other great tips
Great vid guys! Thanks!!
Hello Jordy! Have a nice day!
Those trackers colored red is easy for removal even without keying it out
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A very nice video with lots of cool things 👍👍👍
don't forget about Refine Soft Matte, Refine Hard Matte and Alpha Cleaner
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I've heard that filming with a camera that has 4:2:2 colors is better than 4:2:0 when you do the chroma key in AE. Is that true?
As far as I can remember (cause it's been quite some time since I did this) when I used red tape, I did the green key first, then I pre-composed and keyed for red. Either that or I just I just rotoed out the red tape
Rose are red
Violets are blue
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