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@ADVCHINA "Exodus" . The second book of the Old Testament; it tells of the departure of the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt (see also Egypt), made possible by the ten plagues of Egypt and the parting of the Red Sea. Moses led them, and their destination was the Promised Land. ... Exodus is a Greek word meaning “departure.”
Dude, why would the local government grant Chinese dimploma if the private school teach American cirriculum which does not teach Chinese langauge arts or Chinese history? Should us government grand GED and American high school dimplomas to those who can't not read/write English at the high school level or know nothing about US Constitution or any knowledge of US history?
I taught English for ten years in Beijing. Loved it at first but over time you discover what it is really like to live in China. It certainly isn't any place too grow old. Deception is the order of the day. Disinformation all the time. Chinese ethics is an oxymoron.
I was living in China for nearly 4 years as an ESL teacher and recently moved back to America. I left for many of the reasons you stated. I just couldn't deal with it anymore.
Opium was also sold by the Chinese where do you think the various hill tribes In the golden triangle came from .CHINAS originall opium growers that's where
I left China for one reason : my children. Which can be divided into two sub-reasons 1) pollution. I could no longer cope with my making them breathe, eat and drink poison 2) Chinese education, aka nationalist brainwashing + destruction of individual thought and sense of responsibility + animal-like spirit of competition. Now for an idea of a subject you could cover in the future : how mixed families (Chinese + foreigner) cope after moving out of China, and how the Chinese side of the family sees it (mine see my wife as little short of a traitor for leaving to a far-way country and not being there for them).
Your wife's family see her as a traitor for being brave enough to move to the other side of the world with her husband?? Charming ... I bet your own family didn't see you as a traitor when you were living in China.
@@realdeal7530 When I told my widowed dad I was moving to China he was willing to pay for the first (one-way) ticket available himself lol. Of course he was going to miss me, but his son's interest and chance to discover a whole new world came first. "Traitor" is maybe a bad wording, more like "ungrateful" or "unworthy". It's a whole different culture, where collective comes ahead of individual, and where family ties and hierarchy are paramount. Children are expected to support aging parents, including financially (in part because pension plans for the older generation aren't exactly comprehensive, but imho even more so for cultural reasons). This can already be a difficult situation for children who moved to a big Chinese city and can't be there physically for their parents on a regular basis, so imagine when they moved to another continent. In my specific case, the wife actually has a didi (younger brother) who lives with the parents and is doing an amazing job at burning the family's savings (which are of course owed exclusively to him, the male descendant). So, as much as I love the in-laws in spite of their flaws (and there actually are some aspects from their worldview that we could learn from, imho), we've made it clear to them that they won't see a cent from us. Hence the extra resentment. Anyway, I don't hold a grudge against them, they grew up in a different world (one that is actually starting to be challenged by the younger Chinese generation itself). I do hold some grudge against my parasitic brother-in-law, but that is another story. What saddens me is that they (mostly the father-in-law, in fact) aren't giving my wife any moral support for her massively brave choice of moving to Europe, and that they don't seem to fully grasp that the main motivator for this decision was our children - their grandchildren - NOT pure self-interest.
@@chunyanhu3867 it's funny, how you said brainwashing education, when they most the time teach you about math and language. They barely teaches you history. I can say that as a fact, they often don't teach you about history or politics because math and language are the primary education we focus on.
@@chanchong4924 You don't see the obvious problem with knowing nothing about history? Note that people who don't know history are bound to repeat it. *cough* concentration camps *cough* If they don't teach critical thinking and questioning things while controlling the news and censoring the internet you become very vulnerable to propaganda.
I don't think the Chinese government was ever interested in having non-Chinese foreigners live in China. There is just too much risk of dangerous attitudes and a lack of control for the Party. They were interested in using foreigners as "temporary workers" (i.e. language teachers), but I don't think they were ever keen on having foreigners actually move to China and start living there on a full-time basis. I think there is also some subtle, unrecognized racism underlying this. Ask people on the street whether China should grant Chinese citizenship to non-ethnic Chinese persons...
And you'll never hear anybody in western media criticize them for that. Only whites are racist and "xenophobic" for wanting their own ethno states. for everyone else it's not only OK, it's a virtue.
I think you mean non-Asian foreigners. There are plenty of non-Han people in China (hell, they even were the government of China for 500+ years) Yi, Qiang, Miao, Manchu, Mongolian, Viet, Korean, Uygur, Turk, Kazak, Tibetan... All with Chinese citizenship. It does a disservice to the minorities and indigenous peoples of China to erase them from discussion.
Xenophobic is the better term as their against any not Chinese. Racism would be hating all Whites and Africans but being ok with all Asians. In Asia Xenophobic seams to be more the case. If it China vs any other Asian group that is tribalism. Racism is a fairly new thing from situations where one could not tell what tribe or country people were from. To be clear races are white, black, yellow, brown in the old often considered racist division (at my time 70's it was anti-racist songs listing all colors are wonderful and stuff like that) It get sort of stupid though when white is still white but your expected to use African, Asian, Australian Aborigine.
I’m Chinese and hearing about how people are forced out out of china breaks my heart. I really don’t understand why the government is doing all this. Turning people who genuinely loves china away is completely contradictory to what our culture has been about... Without this channel i would never come close on hearing things like this, thank you for bringing the information in the open
My wife is Chinese (born in Thailand). We’re both learning Chinese. We explored the idea of settling in China and build our relationship with her extended family. We’ve visited a few places over the years and I sensed that it’s not possible to have a decent live in China, or develop ideas or become successful (before being taken down by some powerful competitor). We looked at the schools too. Frightening places! We investigated homeschooling and Montessori education and hit against a mountain of disapproving bureaucracy. The Chinese themselves were studiously ignorant, not only about their own country and politics but about the world at large and couldn’t help or advise (oh we have plenty of freedom, we’re not being observed, Mao made China great, etc.). And unbelievably filthy, in mind and in body (unless you’re kind of well off and have your own private expensive apartment). It’s a soulless country, all technology, mindless traditions, no real values or consideration for others (except for practical reasons...) And then I re-remembered Taiwan... a country that had a close relationship with South Africa during the Apartheid years. In my mind I thought they were a pariah state (I’ve been wilfully ignorant too). So I went to go see for myself. Wow, talk about chalk and cheese. Taiwan is a refreshing, progressive, global,and cosmopolitan country. Clean and organised, like Japan. They welcome foreigners (on the whole). They learn English. Their schools are progressive (or at least try to be). They are fairly knowledgeable about the world. They care about each other and the environment. They are scrupulously clean (very Japanese, I felt). I’ve oversimplified of course, and didn’t get to explore either country deeply. But my gut feelings are that we should avoid China (and be ultra wary of China) and embrace and support Taiwan.
@Peter D What a bizarre and ignorant response! Women aren't possessions. Are you married? Did you make a point of ONLY dating women from your own country so as not to "steal" any woman whose parents came from some other country (e.g. an American woman whose family is Italian in case you are stealing from Italian men. Or basically any woman from Thailand in case you might steal her from Thai men)!? :o
Taiwan was part of Japan (or, occupied by them) for much longer than Taiwan was part of mainland China over the last century and a half, maybe that has something to do with how they keep the place up. I have heard that China is like one big New York City; dirty, same mean attitude, and even more corrupt and aggressive. Perhaps there is a limit to how many people you can just pile in on top of each other...
I left China in 2017 despite having a successful 8 year design career there. I was starting to feel all the anti-foreigner pressures, both from government and citizens, plus the crackdown on VPNs, difficulty in banking and getting/keeping a home. Never coming back (maybe for visiting friends but not staying). I am SouthEast Asian and not white, and could be mistaken for a South-chinese so I dont think its an anti-west only thing, generally for all foreigners.
In 2017, I went there with a white colleague for six months for business and leisure. I felt the hostile attitude toward foreigners. After the trip, I quit my job because my boss asked me to go back to China again. It's not news that Chinese police push suspects off a building or a bridge. Then the cause of death is depression.
Which part of China did you visit? China is vast country and the people's altitudes differ with each region. The Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities are more cosmopolitan and generally more friendly towards foreigners.
@@timeless8135 don't the sun do stuff to your skin? I mean, exposing your light-skin under the sun for a long period of time will cause your skin to redden and peel off... and in the long term it will tan, and also aged considerably, very wrinkled and old looking hand.
@@xponen Yes, you are correct , but I never worried so much about my hands. I would cover up the rest of my body though , never had a problem with my hands though. Having said that , I run a tile and stone installation company and my hands get pretty hardened from moving rock and stone all day .
Believe me you guys i've been here for 8 years now. I am a teacher, economics teacher not ESL, and I have been thinking a lot about everything that has been happening in China. I am married to a Chinese but we have been holding off on having a baby because of things that are happening in China
I also have been here 8 or 9 years. Two kids with Chinese wife. Last summer my visa renewal application was rejected. In fact, they told me not to even apply. The reason? No reason given and I only a week left on my visa. It was a huge ordeal to get back in, but it was a warning siren. I believe what was said that it is a message from the govt. They don't want us here anymore. Now I am looking at options for my family. It seems that the USA doesn't want foreigners either and I don't' want to bring my family into that kind of atmosphere. It's a pity because there seems to be no rational explanation for such xenophobic behavior in China as well as in my home country, the United States. So where to next? Maybe Equador?
My father was born and raised in Harbin 3rd generation. The local Chinese government killed his younger brother because he pointed out a neighbor who was stealing. It turned out he was a relative of some low level official the my father was arrested and my grandmother was beaten my grandfather was taken away and was gone for 3 years. Thats the China that my family knows. My family was Russian (BIG NOSE) and so automatically a FOREIGNER.
@@eze__95 He said that he was third generation in his comment. Ethnic Russians have lived in China's northeastern and northwestern regions since as early as the late 19th century and "White Russian" is one of the 55 recognised ethnic minorities of China. They are PRC citizens and hold PRC passports. With the exception of some isolated farming communities in northwestern China, most ethnic Russians in China are, for all intents and purposes, culturally and linguistically assimilated.
@The MGTOW Monk I think that;'s why they get along so well with Israel. They are together planning the new world order city of Neom, very creepy. Maybe both ethnic groups, not just the Chinese - have the Denisovan hominid DNA. They have the same constellation of negative inborn traits.
Not just foreigners, even Chinese themselves are leaving China if they have money, China politic is so unpredictable that no one know if you will get in trouble the next day or not.
@@johnharker7194 They are still making nukes though, which is what Trump wanted them to stop and get rid of. It's fine, won't take a day or even months but its still mostly cosmetic stuff. This is I think the 4th time they got to around this stage. They backed out all the previous times. Would be cool if Trump and South Korea can get them over the hump this time.
I left chengdu almost 20 years ago, and now live in new york. Can't compare the freedom of speech and the fresh and cleaner air in USA, I love New York!
Amanda L New York is the last city where I wanna live in the world because paying 2000 dollars for a super tiny room its nothing else than modern slavery
Our family are Han Canadians, We left China in 2015, after living there for 11 years. We home schooled our daughter in China. We found that local schools in China are teaching kids pretty twisted life attitudes even from kindergarten, kids are often taught to be narcissists. I also had kidney cancer, that Chinese hospitals misdiagnosed it twice as something else, luckily it was finally caught. We have a local chinese friend who had lymph cancer, he had a hundred CT scans and the hospitals never gave him a protective apron for the procedures. He also found that new cancer drugs are 3 times more expensive in China, he ended up smuggling his own drugs from Taiwan and Hong Kong. We know a doctor in China, the hospital chief ordered her to add Chinese medicines in her practice for the sake of nationalism (love your country). Doctor salaries are very low that the custom is to supplement their incomes with gifts from the patients. It is the de facto custom. People in China are not well taken care of. The main reason is that the power hungry Party has to keep control of every sector. There is no real medical association, just the Party controlling everything, no real education association, just the Party.
Very good to hear an honest answer about a garbage govt that needs to be changed. The problem is that people are brainwashed into thinking that the communist govt is the people, when its not. Taiwan is shining example of a China without XI
@@stevenobinator2229 I lived in Taiwan over 20 years ago. It's democratic system completely obliterates the stupid lie of the Chinese Communists that Western democracy wouldn't work in mainland China. The PRC will never be an efficient capitalist system since the Party is hostile to the rule of law and human rights.
@@TesterBoy great name Btw. I just hope China isnt able to export any of their system to other countries. There should be an alliance of countries against China at this point.
"We found that local schools in China are teaching kids pretty twisted life attitudes even from kindergarten, kids are often taught to be narcissists. " do go on this sounds interesting
I've lived in China for 5 years.. i dedicated my time to learning Tibetan Language and started a non-profit to distribute their rare herbal formulas from the himalayas to the west, and we take the profits to restore their ancient temples and structures that the government tries to destroy.. But on Jan 25 i will be leaving China for good, never to return again.. i cant go anywhere with my Tibetan friends without being stopped by police, searched and even called a terrorist by local Chinese for supporting the Tibetan people.. I could go on for days and day about why i will never return to China honestly..
This whole comments section is basically ppl shit-talking their ex. I mean, nobody forced these folks into china, and many do business/work fine there; sometimes things don't work out like any relationship, but the real judge of character is how people choose to present failed relationships.
@Basil Rathbonez If you've actually read anything substantive on tibet you'd know that they declared independence at behest of the british & friends while china was ravaged by the same occupying powers. You'd also know that tibet was a religious feudal society akin to medieval europe, not some freedum utopia. The CCP is what it is, a ruling oligarchy using whatever tools at its disposal to keep in power; the world isn't a rosy place that they teach simpletons. It's really hilarious when ignoramus try to "educate" the actually educated by spewing western agitprop.
@@agenthex You've probably never been to China or stepped foot on Tibetan soil, so to speak with such anger and hatred to people you don't know makes you no less of an "ignoramus"..
Now that China got what they want from foreigners and their manufacturers, they have less use for them. I have always thought that it is very short sighted of companies to manufacture in China. China has consistently been reverse engineering the designs and manufacturing process and bringing to market their own competing products. Now all of these companies have more competition to face coming from China. I used to work for GM as a software developer and we took some steps to protect our IP from reverse engineering during manufacture in China, such as encrypting vehicle firmware. But still you see China's brands continuing to use more and more of our technology, and more and more likely there will be some break out Chinese car brand in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if GM goes bankrupt again thanks to a Chinese car brand that they helped bootstrap.
Look at SsangYong or however the fuck you spell it. A good friend of mine (He's a mechanic) works at an "MG" main dealer and they are most of their work these days. All they are (From my knowledge) are chevrolet clones. Even as a HGV Mechanic myself, I am noticing more and more Hino trucks, which are Japanese(But, from what I can tell, mostly soured from China), creeping into the industry, although, on the truck side of things, many firms stick to one name brand. It's a shame to see our technology stolen without repercussion, due to their shitty government and ways but also the greedy business men who do not care for us, or realise what will happen. As far as I'm concerned, fuck them. Which is a shame, because it's an astonishingly beautiful country for the most part.
Leave it to westerner countries, especially america, to give the chinese access to all their best technology for cheaper labor. After all what could go wrong?
You mean, got what they needed to steal, right? Their mistake. Such theft encourages new development from their victims, which they will NOT be allowed to see.
@@devilslayerthesaintofkille1317 We Western countrys could just move the factorys to cheaper country's :P india indonesia thailand ect ect few years ago Geox nike and a few other brands moved the factory's to shave on wages ...lots of stuff you can do in china you can do in a other country as well. only problem is you lose access to the Chinese market . but i expect a huge economic crash to happen in china in the next few years .
Nah, the Big 3 have huge influence via all their hundreds of thousands of employees and all the money they make. The government would be lobbied until they prevented the import of the Chinese car brand.
This is old news. I work for a Canadian company that in the 1990s chose to invest heavily in the Chinese market. They opened a large, brand new, very advanced plant which they equipped with the world's most advanced technology in their particular field and hired and trained locals. For publicity they sponsored TV documentary shows , river cruises, the works. Then one day, poof!, just like that, it became impossible to sell or distribute their product. Money started haemorrhaging. This went on for a while until it could no longer continue. The company cut its losses and sold the whole enterprise to Chinese interests for a symbolic amount. Miraculously, production and sales restarted and today, building on this stolen (let's call a spade a spade) technology, China has become the world's largest producer of this field.
CaptHollister About the same time, a Chinese manufacturing company was in trouble and announced their wish for foreign investment. An Australian answered, the deal was that, he would buy half the company and run it for five years, then he'd sell his half back to them and leave. Soon after the company was back on track and making good profit. Five years later he took his half share - which was a substantial amount - and went home, and soon after the company was off the rails again losing loads of money. They asked him to go back for the same deal, but he said, he'd prefer to work there as an employee for three years, but for a massive paycheck. So off he went and the company was making money again. Then the powers-that-be at the company decided to screw him over; the cops had him arrested, and during his detention, a new law was rushed through the system to make him guilty of whatever, and he as charged under that very law, and was sentenced to life imprisonment. He was freed after quite a few years though. As a fellow Australian I can't help but suspect that the company was angry about a foreigner who's able to do what they could not do, being the Chinese master race notwithstanding. But their ability to set off that chain of event that led to his conviction and incarceration can say something about the country nonetheless.
The speedo actually works perfectly, but when the bike detects the rider is not wearing gloves it just assumes the rider is still getting ready and this speed data coming up the cable must be an error, because obviously no one would be crazy enough to ride around on the road in China or anywhere else without gloves. The ECU is basically saying "Does.... not.... compute"
Yes, but the CCP has to be the stupidest bunch of people on the planet! And the biggest reason is because they screwed their own country big time! The 91 million people of the CCP have got to go!
@@radoinezoubir3370 I suspect that economic growth in China was largely due to greedy western capitalists moving their manufacturing businesses from the West to China because of cheap labor and lack of environmental regulations. The western businessmen basically sold their companies for profit, no morals at all, as long as they make money, even if they hurt their own people due to increased unemployment in the west, thanks to factories closing down and people losing their jobs.
@@grumpiebrown its not really about that since there is a lots of cheap labors countries in third countries like mine for example "Morocco " but the reason why everyone putting their industry on China is the huge natural source that can help you build your projects easily
Really enjoying the exploration of more politically sensative subjects lately. China is so interesting and its important to view it from every angle. You guys do a great job being measured and adding a personal account to your subjects
Growing your economy by building cities no one lives in and airports no one flies to was always going to end badly. China’s misuse of resources is frightening, having them involved in building nuclear plants in the uk is madness.
My Chinese wife (me white) and I will be leaving China soon. We're selling our apartment and moving back to USA. Not that we don't love China, on the contrary. We're leaving for all the reasons you described. My wife is a University professor, from my personnel experiance I can vouch for what you're saying. Great video was in Hualien in 2016 loved it.
I lived there in the early 2000's....I realized that marrying into a Chinese family is the only way you can advance as a foreigner, long term, in China.
@@johnsain - You are always still a foreigner. Your mixed children will never be seen as anything but a foreigner's bastards. The Chinese will be friendly and polite while their rulers are acting friendly and polite. Then one morning everything will be 180° opposite. It will then be "hate the foreign devils day" until the rulers turn the friendly and polite face on again.
No offense, but how'd you marry a Chinese professor? Pointing out you're white is kind of an odd thing to add mid sentence in the wrong place. Also: 1) personnel? 2) experiance? Sorry to pick on you. I'm just agitated these days because I've been struggling to get an ESL job in China. I have the degree, the tefl, and old experience before my degree. I'd go to Vietnam or something, but I've heard getting a public school or university job is impossible.
I live in Thailand and it is getting harder to live here as well. It is like the Thai government does not want foreigners here either. I am ready to leave too.
Too many foreigners are bad they influence the culture and the people visiting is ok but living there is stepping on their toes. Ive even read articles about Thailand getting tired of foreigners in their country .
They don't. Thailand is asking expats to leave even if retirement which is good investment for Thai as not taking jobs but just spending. Thai is owned by china now.
I have been in China for 5 years now, and it feels relieving that someone is talking about it, I don't feel alone anymore. I actually want to leave as soon as I can... Thank's for this video !
@@slomo4672 Yeah its a secular Muslim country. Its not bad but not great either. It has its own fair share of racial issues here like any other country. In Malaysia the Malays (majority race) treat Chinese and the other races here like 2nd class citizens HOWEVER I would still stay here then China.
The original Chinese immigrants who came to Malaysia were brought in by the British to help in the mining industry most of em were brought in mid to late 1800s. In some sense I'd say thank fuck for that lol. They weren't effected by Mao's communistic BS.
I left Shenzhen a year and a half ago, after having lived there for almost 5 years. There were two main reasons. First and foremost was my health. I developed a brutal chronic cough that only got worse in China. Secondly, it became 100% illegal for me to sing songs for side cash in China. I had a legit work Visa and taught music at some of the top international schools in Shenzhen. However, even with this Visa, I could not legally make side money performing music in China. Basically, I had to choose between my health and my music or life in China. I guess there is one more reason - home ownership. It's quite difficult owning property in China as a foreigner. Now I own something with my brother in Chicago, something that was nearly impossible for me in Shenzhen as a single foreigner.
Really? A chronic cough from Shenzhen? I live in Xuzhou and the pollution up here is normally double Shenzhen's and peaks at 5 times Shenzhen. There are things you can do you know, buy a mask with filters for going outside and get an air purifier for your home.
Hard for single foreigners to buy, that’s right. Easy if you got married to a Chinese. Knowing that it doesn’t make it yours neither, eventhough you can use it as ling as you’re married if some day you’ll have to divorce with your wife, there is only very few chance that government let you have your part of the apartment you bought along with your wife. Unless she wants to be fair and give it to you, but it never happens like that.
@@jonprue4202 It is the disease of jungle weather. The very southern part of China is so hot and humid that I, as a Northern Chinese, do not dare to live there. Although the sky of Shenzhen is far much clearer than Beijing, as clear as that in HK.
@@aaronhammerling9739 The air quality isn't constantly bad, it's only a few days a month where I have worn my mask to go out and it's also only a seasonal thing. During the winter they burn coal in the factories and in 2-3 months it won't even be an issue. So it's just a small inconvenience to deal with in order to reap all of the benefits.
+Legionitalia, writes _"C-Milk’s average speed this trip = 0 kph"_ I knew these guys weren't really riding around and just using a green screen -- this is proof!
Foreigners leaving China? How about the Chinese leaving China? Many reasons you described regarding why foreigners are leaving China are the same reasons Chinese are leaving China!! Have you been to New York City? There’s a section in NYC called Flushing (where I live). It is now a full fledged Chinatown. Construction is unbelievable. All over the place. Who’s buying the majority of the condos? The Chinese from China. Why are they coming? To invest bc it’s not easy in China. And for education. And a better life.
This is a big part of the Chinese government's plan. They block the entrance of foreigners into Chinese markets whilst encouraging Chinese to go to countries with freeish markets to buy property and businesses. Local people, who have been blocked from saving due to high taxes over years and years, are then blocked from entering markets in their own countries. Voila, China is in control. Make no bones, these Chinese immigrants have no loyalty to their host countries and are only interested in ultimately imposing political and economic control. My country, New Zealand, has been very naive and we will regret it (are already in fact). The Chinese actually come here and say how stupud we are; not only do we let them take over but we also offer welfare benefits to people who have contributed little or nothing to our society.
@@wenshu888 there certainly seems to be that chinese thing with loyalty. they come to the west for a better life, more freedom, more safety, etc, but then they seem to be very easily coerced into spying on the fellow chinese and other citizens in their new home. personally i think the mainland chinese government looks at foreign countries, peoples as just to be exploited. which ever way.
cnordegren I’m married to a Chinese citizen and we have a daughter and, thanks God, we live in Spain, but I still have to go through all the Chinese bullshit once a year and whenever any of her family members ask me “what do you like the most from China?”, my first thought is always what you posted! Of course, I try to be polite, smile, swallow my thoughts and mumble some tourist attraction I have 0 interest on.
Zhaoxun Yan Not at all. I approached China with the best intentions and the best will, but the country beats you down mercilessly. Every daily activity is a chorus: from taking metro, where everyone tries to stomp in and out without any consideration, general hygiene, endless burocracy for everything, lawless traffic and the list goes on and on...But you see, I’m married to an amazing Chinese woman that compensates all this and at the end, I just visit China for a couple of weeks a year. When I’m there, I just try to remain as still and quiet as possible and pray for the moment to get the hell out of there as soon as possible and go on with our life without having to ask consent to the Communist Party.
J G 😂 😂 😂 It does, since everyone watches movies without using headset, the reduced offer of restaurants, the non-existan international book store (maybe I’m just too spoiled) and the permanent lack of efficiency, but at least I feel excited to come back to daily life and be able to read the news and access TH-cam.
tokorojj : My favorite is this golden oldie “Chinese people are nice, aren’t they”. I omitted the question mark, because it’s asked in the vein of a statement or a rhetorical question.
Top notch commentary and analyses, guys. Thanks much. I made 6 trips into southern China myself back in the 2007-2009 time frame on behalf of a company I was working for at the time. I met many fine Chinese citizens who were hard working. I saw all of the things I'm seeing on your videos, and saw many Westerners there like myself. It doesn't surprise me, however, that many are now leaving as the Chinese Communist government's mindset is to be insular and fearful of continued Western influences. That mindset will eventually cause their own collapse and the continued impoverishment of their own people. Sad, but true.
Jeff Smith -- I seriously hope China doesn’t repeat the mistakes of it’s past. Almost every dynasty China fell into decline after the conservative closed mindset began to take over. Tang Dynasty, Ming dynasty, Qing Dynasty.. xenophobia and growing oppression...it’s a never ending cycle. Starts with a lot of pride, then lags behind and when outsiders bully you, China always takes it out on its own people and blame it on others, instead of learning what it’s falling behind in and self improvement by learning from others. I truly hope the next Generation of young Chinese will change Chinese society for the better. Insular mindset will never be the answer. A truly powerful nation isn’t afraid of criticism, Hope China can come to that point.
Charles Cxgo if a tenth of the young generation Chinese think the way you do my country will have hope. It is hard to have a correct world view in a nation where almost everything is censored and restricted. My hope is on the children of the rich and powerful because they get the chance to go out and learn in a more advanced culture. Only they have enough power and resource to make a change.
New taxation legislation is one of the biggest reasons. Beginning January 1, 2019, an individual who resides in China for 183-days or more will be considered a tax resident and be liable to PRC IIT on their global income. Everything you have posted is true regarding healthcare, visa issues and education, I have been living in Guangdong province since 2007 and the downturn of the electronics industry has also been devastating to foreign investors in Dongguan, coupled with the rising salary levels. The new Global tax will be the final nail in the coffin I believe, You shall have to pay tax in your home country as well as China now. Stay safe.
Global tax? It's been a law in USA for years that you pay tax in both countries. Also, as far as I remember, before 2019 you were taxed in China. So, I don't really understand why you are hanging on the tax change unless you're making bank? If I had that kind of money flowing into my pocket, I definitely would move to greener pastures. China's a good place to start, I'd invest some of my money into projects to improve China and the rest into starting a new life elsewhere.
IntrepidEv For US citizens. If you are a foreigner not living in China anymore and having to pay their tax still....that’s a bit weird no? Unless I misunderstood the OP
I watched the Chinese economy carefully for several years. Last year I was careful to convert my money and send it home as soon as I got paid. As the yuan plummeted and my students complained more about unemployment, I figured it was time to get out. The restrictions on VPNs and the constant sabotage of them kind of sealed the deal for me. Now I'm watching the Chinese economy torpedo and the government get more oppressive from the US and I am so, so happy that I left when I did.
This is a really important issue to get out in the open and I'm glad someone is able to speak frankly about these things. It's been an ongoing issue for me, but what's weighing heavily on my heart right now is the undeniable fact that there are still people in this world that outright refuse to wear gloves out in the elements. I just can't wrap my mind around the choices some people are making these days. To 2019, hope it's not the last.
I have been traveling to China for 3 years but with the current trade war and reports I am hearing about China I have lost all desire to visit China. This Spring I am going to Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore. I even have a new Chinese visa and now I don't plan on using it. I love the people of China but lost all respect for the Government
I think that China might be preparing for a big economic disaster. Authoritarian countries tend to be cyclical with periods of oppression followed by periods of relative freedom. The current freedom period in China has been driven by a very favorable export economy with western countries, but this is gradually coming to an end. Foreign businesses that were having their products made in China are now moving to other countries like India, where they can actually own businesses without a native partner owning 51% of the business. Also, a lot of western countries have wised up. They have realized how detrimental over-regulation of domestic businesses has been to their local economies. This is leading to a lot of deregulation, even in European countries. In short, fewer foreign entities are choosing to do business in China. Even worse, the technology of manufacturing is gradually becoming less and less dependant on cheap, skilled human labor -- China's claim to fame. The watch phrase that guides a lot of manufacturing companies these days is: "Automate or die." Typically, countries like China want to start moving foreigners out when trouble is on the horizon. If you will remember, during the Tian'an Men massacre, China prepared by first expelling every foreigner from the country, which was probably a massive undertaking. Will there be another Cultural-Revolution-like event? I doubt it will be quite that severe, but something is in the offing. Remember, authentic and open economic information is not published in China. The only time that authoritarian countries publish negative economic information is when they want to use that information to manipulate people or events. A thousand economic dams could be ready to break in China, and nobody but select government insiders would even have a clue.
You guys left to avoid taxes. Fuck you guys I hope they kick you out and take all your stuff. If your gonna build shit build it where you were raised and born and help the land you come from.
@@haraldkonrad353 Nah I do I run an IT consulting firm and my friends were just like you guys. Low taxes and the communist government is gonna help just move there you can do most the stuff remotely I was told, little to no taxes I was told, 30cents on hour labour for lvl 1-2 techs I was told, and this is when the gig economy was first getting steam. Did I take my shit and leave my town hell no I had only 4 guys and all 4 them were more valuable to me then short term gain. So I stayed my ass in NY and paid my taxes and paid my guys a reasonable pay. And you know what 2 of them just finished a there engineering degree within the company and I'm up to 7 guys now. I have a clue the difference is I'm not a fucking sellout.
I had no sympathy for Westerners who are living China. You knew from the beginning that you were going to live in a country where human rights are non existent. Deal with it. If you are forced out, too bad for you. My dad spent 2 years working in Libya in early 90's. He was in civil aerospace industry and he got to maintain Gaddafi airplane. His biggest fear was that he was working in a country that had no human rights. He was ready to leave any day. He was there for the money (Gaddafi paid them very very well) but he knew it could end any day and he might not come back home. He took the risk. So you all know you are going into country that had no human rights. You are there for the money (mostly) or adventure. Deal with it.
I really hope Taiwan remains an autonomous country (or "territory" since it gets the thin skinned chinese politicians furious). Your big neighbor is making big leaps backwards,
@Brandy WasayThe ancestors of Chinese from Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong were actually from the mainland, so how are they the REAL Chinese like you said?
Because they are not the thin skinned power grabbing politicians and sheep that follow them. They are the original, strong, resourceful and history conscious people of the old imperial systems that adapt to the changing world and take pride in their work. These are the true people who built the long standing Great Wall and not the slap dash layabouts that have been destroying the old buildings because they do not know how to fix them.
@Taiwanlight "there's more traditional Chinese culture in Taiwan" Taiwan was ruled by Japan for more than 50 years prior to Han Chinese arrival. Furthermore there exists Taiwanese Aboriginal culture too in Taiwan, so how does Taiwan have more traditional Chinese culture than the mainland, when its being diluted by Japanese and Taiwanese Aboriginal culture? According to UNESCO World Heritage Sites, *China ranks 2nd in the world in the number of World Heritage Sites* at 53, just behind Italy at 54. Many of China's cultural monuments still remain in the mainland, such as the Great Wall of China, the Grand Canal (world's longest artificial river), the Forbidden City, the Qin Emperor's Tomb, the Terracotta Warriors, and so on. _List of World Heritage Sites in China_ wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_China
This comment just detracted 3 points from your social score, you are now being monitored by the Chinese government it will not be allowed to leave or fly out your passport will be revoked- Chinese government
Albert Lima Lima it’s amazing how many of them their are here in the comments section. Western trolls like the 77th brigade British army propaganda teams. Just like the made up Uighurs in camps lies
the factories are leaving anyway so the party and good times are over, first they become like Japan, stagflation, then like Brazil, middle class trap, vietnam and india are getting the capital investment, factories always leave when cost gets too high, left England, America, Germany, now China, nothing can stop history repeating itself.
I was born and raised in China and came to Canada. I now hold a Canadian passport and speak perfectly fluent Chinese. But even I am paranoid when I'm visiting my extended family in China. There are just so much information you have to fill out everyone. You almost can't do anything without linking it to your ID or your phone number, which is linked to your ID, anymore.
LOL they don't want you in Canada, don't you morons see how they speak of you there? LMFAO, according to these white people, Chinese are the only ones that are racist not the white men. God forbid you buy property there, you therefore must be a Communist party member whos corrupt!
You mean like submitting your phone and whatsapp chats at the US border, China is perhaps more over bearing in controlling everything but other governments are just doing the same, inescapable in this wired world! As long as we are radicals/extremists, we should be just fine!
I was in China from 09-11 and then again from 13-14. I noticed the change in 2014 myself. I had my visa denied, a Chinese company wanted to hire me as an international sales person at a steel company to give their company a foreign face to make their foreign partners more comfortable. If it’s an international company you want international people. I was denied it for some reason and I had gone to graduate school for this stuff so I was qualified. I’d say things started turning right around the time I left. I loved china but I’m glad I went when I did and I’m glad I left. I still miss it but I’m happy where I am now back in America
Must've been easy getting a job with your major. I was there same time as you, but now my friends that are leaving are saying things changed drastically over the past 5 years. My global studies degree is worthless in US until I pair it with an MBA or something. ESL and cost of living in China allows me to save money faster so I can get another degree online. Unfortunately, I'm struggling to find a school that will take me. Very different from 2009 when I had schools and agents sending me 50 emails a day trying to hire me.
Quique Dillon it's cool, but I didn't have the documents back then for a work visa. if you go to China and search the job boards just email the agents. 1 email. next thing you know you're getting job postings every month fill up your inbox
I think it started even earlier man, like 2011-ish. That's when there was a lot of chatter about "too many undesirable foreigners" who were mostly unemployed grads from the recession still hanging around and they started changing and limited visas for foreigners. Miss the old days, it was like the wild west (or east?). It's not like that anymore.
Yep, I was there off and on for about a decade. Speak Chinese fluently, but left it all about 4 months ago. It's just a land of headaches and endless BS. There is no peace living in China, only constant haggling and frustration at every corner. There are so many happier places in the world. I feel the only people who "like" it are either lying to themselves or are truly delusional. Not a lot to like.
Graham, there's a lot to like if you've been working the same job in your own country for over a decade without a chance to make any savings. China is bringing my dignity back, for which I'm deeply grateful. Not all of us come from countries with stable economies.
Graham Salzer can’t agree more. As a Chinese. I’m like you said, constantly lying to myself, that things will improve. But it just won’t in the short term. Thinking about immigrating too. I wish it could be easier. But now country of the world are setting up higher and higher barriers. Struggling.
That can be different for each individual, some people live their life with happiness and never see anything bad, which for them is enough to make em love China and will follow whatever they are told by government.
I'm an American living in Shenzhen. I have noticed a large uptick in Russian teachers posing as native English speakers here. Chinese people often don't look further into it beyond "Oh, they're white so therefore they speak English" despite the fact that often the Russians' English is terrible. I guess it makes sense that there are a lot of Russians living in China, since they share a huge land border. I just find it weird that most of them seem to be English teachers. Perhaps they are just filling the gap of Americans, Australians, British, New Zealanders and Canadians leaving.
The kick out the imperialists ! Why you don t get it ? Your the enemy of all people !! China is soo smart... they know you before you know yourself !...:)
Nice info. Now China may lay claim to Australia, since there must have been an ancient Chinese dude travelling with them and propose ownership through maps and travel logs
My wife and I were in Hualien a couple weeks ago. While there, I started to notice a strange language on some of the signs, not Chinese, not English. Almost like Malay or Tagalog. Then I saw a TV news show where the anchor was dressed in Taiwanese Aboriginal clothing. At the bottom of the screen were captions in the same language, so I guessed it must be the Taiwanese aboriginal language.
@@telegraphdude6823 Probably Ami tribe language . There are something like 14 tribes in Taiwan. Polynesians ancestors come from Taiwan. Of you visit Hualien at certain times of year you can see their festivals and dances.
Hi ADVChina, I am a Chinese, studying in Europe. I really like your videos. I am touched by your words that you want to flip ten years in the future and see the state of China. I feel the same. I hope you can still keep following China and make videos about its path and changes after ten years. Best wishes to you and your families.
I have to disagree with what you said about ESL teachers... I do “understand what’s going on” around me... and I’m watching this video for that exact reason. The visa process is absolutely bonkers. It’s practically impossible to integrate myself into this culture, because as that article said “I’ll never be Chinese”. Hong Kong is easy, Philippines is easy, Indonesia is easy, but absolutely everything in China is so damn difficult and working with Chinese people can be really awful sometimes. And they’ll treat Americans like they’re stupid too which makes it even worse. I’m regretting my lengthy contract and wishing I signed somewhere else. I am learning the language, I am exploring the country and trying to integrate... As is every other ESL teacher I know here... Definitely disagree with what you said and feel a little offended by it. I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t interested in Chinese culture, the Chinese way of life and language. I can’t even begin to tell you the difficulties I’ve experienced but of course I don’t have to tell you, you know already... As an ESL teacher I’m absolutely effected by all of this. Still watching as I’m updating this comment. I see what you’re saying, sure ESL teachers or travel bloggers will leave, but you’re really talking about those who are more invested in China. I’ll be here for 2 years and when I first got here I thought, “I could stay for more than 2 years”, but now I don’t want to. “Are Chinese people crybullies”, heck yes they cry to get anything they want. A woman cries, the man will give her anything.
Zac Vaughn, the Chinese don't want you to integrate. They believe that they are superior to you and they will keep at arm's length or further. You will find that as your Chinese gets better and better people with any degree of English will refuse to speak with you in Chinese. If you can find a genuine and loving partner though, that will really help with everything. If you have a genuine partner you will have a most loyal companion
You know ESL teachers get paid way more for just either being Caucasian or speaking English natively over many much much more qualified individuals who have worked and proven their merit in the workforce there? It’s natural for dissent to happen mate.
Yet the Chinese were stupid enough to go communist. There’s nothing more idiotic than embracing communism, which amounts only to equalized misery (except for the party elites.)
@@JeremiahAlphonsus What an asshole statement. Communism was imposed upon the Chinese. If you are going to troll at least use a bit of intelegance and class going about it. Stop talking out of your ass.
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Good times for some (bad time to be Chinese in America) Your next depression is just around the corner so today is just like the 20's
China never left their old ways they just played a game of bait and switch with the west. Now they've made western economies dependent on them and created real estate bubbles everywhere by having their citizens buy up property in the UK, Canada, Australia and the US they're about to slow their economy and bring the west to their knees.
Matt, I’ve been involved with bikes all my life as my grandparents were the founders and owners of a motor racing circuit (mainly motorcycles) here in Lincolnshire, England (up until the early 1980’s). As a baby I travelled on my mothers knee in my Dadda’s sidecar and when I was 5, I was gifted my first helmet so I could be his official pillion. He ALWAYS enforced wearing the proper gear. Helmets were so heavy in those days and my dad looked like an astronaut 👨🚀 in his! I was so proud and went everywhere with him. He made me wear gloves and protective gear as he would drum into my head what it was like to lose a lot of skin in an accident (he spent a lot of his childhood in the 1940’s and 50’s in hospital after coming off his childhood pedal bike, burning off his skin, riding like a bat out of hell on a local hill). I have in turn passed the “wear all the gear” message to my children who are all bikers and I even wear the kit when out on my road legal 800cc Quad ATV. I see you aren’t just without gloves, but you’re wearing bloody shorts! Are you crazy man? You’re a husband and father and it’s therefore in your interests to keep yourself as protected as possible in Jeans with Kevlar, perhaps armour and an armoured jacket too. Gear is so much lighter in weight, and price than it used to be. Keep your skin covered or be prepared to lose it! You’re foolish to put yourself at risk, especially if you end up in an Asian hospital, your wounds would never stay clean and heal so wise up!
mrtaoroo Taiwan seems a lot better all round. It’d be great if the fellas took their whole operation and lives to Taiwan so we could learn about there. I’ve learned shit loads about China. I’ll never go there but it’s interesting . I’d be just as interested in learning the same about Taiwan. Whenever I see Prozzies vids, they seem to be about China even though he and Kristine have moved.
I myself live and work in China (little insulted because I actually work for EF) and I'm in a long term relationship with a Chinese man. Everything you have discussed and pointed out I have seen or in some ways experienced, despite your generalization of being "an airhead ESL teacher". I came here with a real love, respect and drive to live here long term. I regularly have this discussion about what businesses can do to try to help foreigners feel more welcome and able to integrate into life here. Each month it becomes more difficult. I regularly encounter not being able to rent an apartment in my city or even stay in a hotel while traveling because I'm a foreigner. I've been struggling like many others have mentioned to send money home and my boyfriend and I have the discussion all the time about what we will do when our kids are old enough for school. Not all of us ESL teachers are young, dumb and clueless.
Unfortunately it's not just China that is changing , the political climate in most countries are being effected by mass imigration , changes in trade, social unrest , climate change and on and on . We are not living in the same world we did only 5-10 years ago , things are changing at a rapid rate and I fear wars are likely to come. Sorry to sound negative but it's not looking good in the current way things are happening.
Seems that way, but wars require a level of unity and I don't think any of the western nations are sufficiently united within themselves. China is united. You could bomb them and take out their military infrastructure, but you wouldn't be able to occupy the country. An attempted occupation of China would make Vietnam look like a Sunday school picnic. Russia, despite its size, is similarly united. The west is a mess. Look at the triggered SJWs that remain a problem. The west is so divided within itself. I don't think either of these guys have given much thought to the kind of bigotry that their wives will be exposed to...
China doesn't really have mass immigration though does it? A good 90-95% of their population is Han / homogeneous Chinese ethnicities. With that in mind I don't see how you can blame immigration on China's rising xenophobia. I think the far east has always been xenophobic and they're sort of embracing the wave of it happening at the moment.
@meaturama There are currently wars (In Africa, big surprise), and fighting (ethnic fighting, for example Buddhists and Muslims in SE Asia) the world over.
@@redryan20000 I don't think China has particularly much mass immigration right now either, so I assume he's referring to other countries such as France, Germany and maybe even Australia. It goes against the title of this video (Mass Exodus of Foreigners) anyway, so that's what I think! However, I not sure whether the immigration rate into China of less developed countries (the Phillipines, Malaysia etc) has changed, so I'm not sure on that front
if you've read my previous comments on your channel, you'll know I was in Beijing for just over 9 years working in media. I left last year and I don't want to go back. things ARE changing. a "friend"...or who I really thought was a friend of mine has gone very anti-American in the last few years without ever telling me why. it started with "your country owes us a lot of money. why don't you guys have your own?" to "I'm a party member. I could burn you if I wanted". freaked me the hell out. now granted, one of my dearest friends there is a judge, and she has never acted strange to me. but last year, she did tell me something odd: "if you ever have any problems, you can always come to me". just little omens like that. I still have years left on my newest visa, but won't go back to work there. I might go for a week or so sometime to visit friends, but as far as business, I'm done. some weird undercurrent can definitely be felt. on another note: my health has definitely suffered since I went to china. kidney stones, 4 cases of food poisoning (one requiring a brief hospital stay), high blood pressure that resolves in America ; the chemicals in the food and the air are also factors in my not going back.
The Chinese have every reason to try to isolate themselves, to be distrustful of foreigners, and to just be paranoid cranky snippy jerks. First off, their government is starting to pinch the citizens very hard to control them through technology. Second off, they likely are very ill from all the cheap ass food that they make that people in other countries get sick from eating. Partially from bacteria from poorly treated human manure used in their farm fields but they actively poison food as well. They poison themselves first and foremost. Do you remember the poisoned nestle baby formula that killed babies in France and when looked into, it had killed many babies in other countries, but the most killed babies were in China itself? China is its own worst enemy, and knowing themselves so well and how bad that they are, why would they trust anybody else in any other country? And historically during great wars, the Japanese put the Chinese in concentration camps where they killed them with swords and then ate them. I would call that a good reason to distrust foreigners as well. So, don't take Chinese behaviors as a personal attack against you, it really isn't.
@@Skitdora2010 ...........I don't know where you got you're stories from, but the idea of the Japanese eating people is just so stupid ! At that time the Japanese had NO tradition to eat even animal meat, (if you talk to the old people they actually used to hate it physically) ...........let alone humans. Such a lot of BS, you sad person.
@@clarencebeeks1528 They are not fat enough. I mean super fat,more like american people fat.we don't just set them on fire,we use wick,so it can burn for days,even weeks.I belive american fat people will burning for months. save the energy,save the planet.
They are just talking bullshit. This exodus bs is an ongoing topic for years now. Fact is more and more foreigner are comming to china and also successfully creating companies. I personally know some of these guys.
a lot of very wealthy Chinese people are leaving china as well. im glad the two of you found a life and love were you are...that being said, if you and c-milk leave china. china will have nothing to offer anyone as far as im concerned.
Really? The Chinese are practically buying up Africa, building expensive infrastructure, giving away soft loans with ridiculous interest rates, etc. If you don't know about this, then you are either ill-informed or malicious.
@@DarkLordOfSweden Certain Western Click-bait news outlets: China is behaving like loan shark using tactics from "Confessions from an economic hit-man". Certain Wumao click-bait news outlets: China is pulling their comrades out of under-development with low interest loans. Truth is always somewhere in between.
I have been living in China for 20 years. I don't think the government's increasingly hostility towards foreigners is anything personal. CPC is not only getting increasingly hostile at foreigners, but at "different" things in general. Any idea that is different from "traditional values" or "socialism with chinese characteristic" are being supressed. Any people who are different, or having different ideas, are being discriminized. This is the age of internet, age of information. An idea, a movement, can be spreaded from one city in one country to the whole world almost instantly. Like the yellow vest movement. This is making CPC more and more paranoid, they have shutdown basically all sources of information from outside world. They have created an alternate reality inside Chinese border. That's why almost all Chinese people haven't even heard of this movement. Actually, not just this movement, most Chinese don't even know what civil liberty means. And even this is not enough. CPC has also supressed any kind of conversation about anything "different" or potentially "different". Let me give you a quick example, on all the mainstream domestic social media websites, like "BiliBili"(Chinese TH-cam) or "Baidu Tieba"(Chinese Reddit), words like "自由"(Freedom), "民主"(Democracy), "习近平"(Xi Jinping), "解放军"(People's Liberation Army), "警察"(Police), are censored. And the list goes on. You type in these words and you only get ****. Now they have censored informations from outside, CPC is also trying their best to stop people at inside to talk about these "different" things as well. They're doing everything they can to shut people up. Because they're paranoid and scared. They know they're failing, people are stopping to believe in their lies. So they speed up their propoganda machine even more. As mentioned in this video, propoganda posters and slogans are everywhere. Shit, they even sticked a red poster next to my door couple of weeks ago. You get on a bus, the TV in the bus is usually playing propoganda about how wonderful Xi is. Go take subway, same propoganda on a different TV. Check local newspaper or news on phone, first and second headlines are, again, always about how wonderful Xi is. All this really is pretty funny because the time when streets are clean, no red poster on my door, some actual news being broadcasted on TV was only a couple of years ago. Man, this is getting scary.
Danny Yu yes it is scary in the end it is always the average or common people that suffers. The modern China is very similar to the ancient China when it comes to keeping its people ill-informed.
No offense, but if you come from a first world western country and you decided to invest part of your life, money and your family's future in an historically collectivist and totalitarian society with little regard for individual's freedoms, you've made a bad decision.
@@OwenGilmoreOG I know that's not Winston's case, but all the examples they gave and most people affected by those policies are from first world countries
Totally agree, when the people who immigrate to China who have invested years of their lives into China are suddenly emigrating from China, you know something is wrong. In general, if people are leaving your country, you're doing something wrong. If people are lining up to come to your country, you know you're doing something right (or at least, you're doing something better than the countries around you).
@@zhongxuanhou2727 China has never favored foreign companies. They welcome them, steal their technologies, then drive them out of business with lower prices. This tension has existed all the time on the Western side. China is only beginning to get a taste (a very small taste) of what they've done to the Western economies.
@@jeffreykalb9752 Western elites sold out their countries and working classes for a Chinese lie. No wonder the USA is on the verge of a USSR style collapse.
co-worker just lost his job... boss walked by and didn't mind the video, but then he noticed C-Milk had no gloves on. RIP (that's all on you, C-Milk...)
I've been living in China since, 2010, I've seen alot of changes, alot of good changes but the last 2 years I've seen many foreigners leave and go back home. The visa is much harder to get every time now, but that's only one reason, if you like China stay if you don't like leave, but it's changing fast for everyone, not always for the best. Good edcuation cost so much. That good be a big reason for those who have children. What I've said is in no way intended to offend.
@@alexandrasmith4393 oh yes I'm sure of that, but compared to when I first got here there are some big changes, much harder to open a standard bank account, harder to get most types of visa , must be a reason, but i think as long as you don't break any rules then it's ok, but a pain in the ass
@@jakedee4117 do you know anyting about tactical mobile death squad vehicles which drive around China? Kill people on spot? Have you seen the way they have been brainwashed when you see someone get hit in the middle of the street and their neck is slit open bleeding profusely people just filming walking by not helping. That's communism. Nationalism teaches a nation and a love for one another in the nation not to walk by your fellow man with his legs chopped off like nothing's happening. Troll!
Each of your social credit score has been reduced by 500 points for offensive and derogatory hate speech against the social well being of China. Have a nice day.
I'm in China now and am seriously thinking about leaving. Your discussion here is fascinating and helpful; I had no idea there was a trend of foreigners leaving and I'm very glad I stumbled on this video. I absorbed every word of what both of you said like a dry sponge. Aside from the content of your discussion, the format is superb: on bikes passing through beautiful countryside, excellent audio and visual combined. Sure beats sitting in a room without a view.
Taiwan or Republic Of China is the real China, who inherited the true Chinese culture, there is all freedom, human rights and traditional Chinese culture there. Not mainland China basically a son of Russian Socialist dictator. Hope you enjoy living in Taiwan.
Hey guys. I don't know how to contact you all. I just fund out on the radio here in Detroit that the US State department has issued a level two warning for U.S. citizens in China. They are strongly advising citizens not to travel to China and are advising citizens that are in China to leave China due to mass arrests of foreigners. The radio news story on Smile FM. went on to describe vaguely that even people who just arrived in China are being arrested at the airport and are being accused of being spies. The radio news clip said for citizens in China to contact the U.S. Embassy immediately. I was listening to this and I thought of you guys and your friends. So please contact the embassy. Even if you don't believe me behind that great firewall. Just do it. Call. You guys are awesome. Be safe. Please come home if they tell you to. A fan, Chad Jones
This is serious, and should be heeded, but there are many countries on this level two status 'South Africa, Brazil, Spain, France, United Kingdom, India, Russia and many other nations' ... thepointsguy.com/news/us-state-department-issues-new-warning-on-travel-to-china/
The US state department today issued a China travel warning for US citizens. China has implemented ‘exit bans’ preventing Americans from leaving ... It’s heating up.
Wonderful talk about humanity. Throughout Chinese histories, there were uncountable miseries and deaths. There were wars during the change of dynasties. They were done among the equals. Both sides used bows, arrows, swords, spears, the so-called cold weapons. Wars occurred, more often than not, because of the greed or folly of a group of people. They happened just like what you see in the savannahs among animal kingdoms, brutal and senseless. However, what happened in North America was something else, the plunder and murder committed by industrial societies on primitive agricultural societies, a concerted effort of ethnic cleansing, a genocide on an unprecedented scale. At least 30 million Indians were annihilated. They were not simple wars, but an aggression with wanton killing of millions of innocents in the name of religion. As if that was not enough, you portrayed them in your thousands of cowboy shows as barbaric, beasts that ought to be eradicated. In your history, you have been portraying Lincoln as a humane hero while you deliberately omitted the shipment of the Black to Haiti, leaving hundreds of thousands to perished there. You slaughtered millions of natives in South America because you wanted to exploit their resources. More recently, you engineered 911 so as to occupy Iraq. You just created a dubious accusation on Gaddafi so as to invade Libya. You created ISIS. Until today, millions of Arabs got killed, maimed, or became refugees. You have your cheek to preach humanity to the world. What a cheek! What an irony! Admittedly, your Marshal Plan was good but it was done to counter the influence of Soviet Unions, not out of kindness. You did not do the same to the Dark Continent of Africa, DySfunctional Pakistan, the Asia Minor, useless Myanmar. For the past one century, their infrastructure was in tattered or non-existing, but nobody cared. When China comes in to do all these, you are unhappy so you come up with all sorts of nonsense to malign it. That is what you are good at. Your forebears once said this: You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time but you can't fool all the people all the time. I think I must be out of my mind to tell you all this for you must have known all these all along.
I really enjoy your guys conversations... I lived in china about 10 years ago. I had a small manufacturing businesses and loved my time there but I'm glad I didn't stay.... I really feel sorry for the people who invested everything they had to make a life in China.
March 2018, I lost a court battle in Beijing between my former Chinese business partners and I. Upon exiting the company, I didn't walk away empty handed but my former business partners made it difficult for me to establish another business in the same industry with threats of legal action etc... I exited China on Christmas Eve on a permanent basis. On Christmas Day the majority of my former business competitors received a present consisting of all the data files from my former business. STALEMATE.
@@bapluda don't such a moron because you don't know the in's and out's nor what the concept was all about so don't jump to conclusions without facts and for information the labor was conducted by myself...
Here in Guangzhou, I can report there has been a decrease in the number of western foreigners (USA, Canada, Australia, etc.) However, I have noticed there appears to be an increase in the number of Russians coming into Guangzhou and Guangdong province. Not sure what's going on with that.
Trump complained about China and business practices for a decade before he was president, you can see the videos on youtube, a coffee shop with his name in Macau, piss off a billionaire and he might get even.@Albert Lima Lima
China and Russia are allies, with what's approaching it makes perfect sense they would be inviting Russians in and making western foreigners feel unwelcome.
Guys, information like this is very useful to get a feel for the bigger picture of what's going on. It's this kind of detail that helps people to understand what's actually going on. The big news of international trade and aggressive posturing in the South China Sea make more sense with the details you provide. China is pretty obviously regressing back towards a form of isolationism. Goods out, money in, and expanding their influence on their terms. The very imperialism the party hates and routinely accuses Western governments of doing. I think you're dead right about them feeling they don't need anything (but money) from the West any more. I would be willing to bet that they'll still accept tourists and ESL teachers, although it wouldn't surprise me to see them push their own people to become qualified to teach English. Maybe through using the Confucius Institutes like "missionary" work. Send people to various sites until they become highly proficient in English and other languages, and then bring them home to teach. You lads need to get the hell out of there. Very sad, really...
Yeah, the TH-cam channel Asian Boss did a video on the South Chine sea conflict, asking the Philippines what they thought of it. It was really interesting, I highly recommend it.
They want China for the Chinese. The West is not entitled to own China, like they own the rest of the world. *The West wants to CONTROL EVERYTHING. Get out, and STAY OUT!*
@@kevinlemont5709 China now presents every impression of wanting to own and control the rest of the world. Who is "the West?" The United Nations, of which China is a member, is working on the New World Order and total and complete Globalism, with them in control.
@@GradyGillis not really. China defies UN resolutions all the time. They are asserting themselves, and the west doesn't like it. People should just stay in there own countries as opposed to telling others what we ought to do. This is why so many wars are started in the first place.
I've been in and out of China over the past ten years, and lived there a cumulative total of five years over the last decade. I recently moved back to the US from China after spending 3 years in IT there. And everything you talked about, I experienced for sure. As a foreigner, I could totally sense the changes occurring over there.
I lived in US before. I used to have a greencard. US is a good country, the people in USA are nice, but *NOT* the government. I am out of USA for good because I turned down 'an offer I can't afford to turn down' --- to become a spy for Uncle Sam in China. Because I said 'no\ to that offer, they (the gov of USA) made my life hell --- I got fired for no reason, can't find any other job (because of black-listed from high-up) and constant harassment from various agencies like IRS and whatnots. I got the message, so I moved out.
in 2012 in southern china, Yang chun city, I knew things was getting strange when I was 2 stories up in a apartment building just taking photos of street life and suddenly people gathered down at the street. and I heard them say, that foreigner is taking photos. they really got pissed. but I was just taking photos of the street market and just daily life in the streets. I was no where near any government offices. but yet the place is covered in police cameras on every corner. I only ever registered 1 time while there, and that was at a hotel, I had been at other hotels and never registered, and they never asked for my passport, but I kinda sneak in and had my Chinese wife pay the fee, she knew once they saw me the price was going up, so we played a little game with them each time we had to go get documents in another city.
@@ronj9448 Are you from the CIA? If no, how can you know how they do the recruitment? I was first approached back when I was still studying in the university. I told them I need to finish my study first. Several years later, after I graduated and got a job (and a Green card, courtesy of the firm that employed me, they were the ones who paid an immigration lawyer to obtain a Green Card for me) and got several promotion, them spooks approached me, again. I told my boss about it, and my boss (through his boss) approached the government and got a 'stay' because they needed me to help out in a project related to a missile guidance system. After that project has ended, I moved to California to join another company (previously I was staying in Texas), also defense related. I was doing well there, and them spooks approached me again, and this time I was planning to start a family, so I turned down their offer. What came next was hell. I got fired. My security clearance was revoked. I couldn't get any job in the industry --- totally blacklisted, and governmental agencies were giving me non-stop harassment. I got their point, so I left everything and went back to the shithole country which I am from, Malaysia. And no, I did not marry my girlfriend, a sweet American girl whom I loved.
Up until 2016, you needed a Foreign Expert Certificate to work in China. These were issued by SAFEA. This was a pretty laid back group. The name on my diploma was misspelled at that time, but SAFEA never noticed. These days, expats need a work permit from the labor office. The labor office makes trouble about every piece of paperwork submitted. Applications can get rejected for ridiculous reasons. "Agree with China" (17:30) is an interesting phrase. Aside from expats themselves, it's hard to find anyone who admits that something is happening. I can find no explanation for the work visa crackdown in the media. The shiny new work permit system is presented as if it was China's latest service to help out foreigners.
Here we are a little more than a year later. How do you feel about what they said now? Been a fan for a few years, they were way ahead of the curve. Thanks for the insights, guys. Hard to see what’s happening in China truthfully through western eyes - you guys are criminally underrated.
I ALWAYS go to you guys for the inside scoop of what's going on in China. Because I hear politics all the time. I like to hear what's true or not true. And even though I enjoy getting inside information from you two I long to see the day when you get to live and speak totally and completely free. Good video guys.
You guys are spot on. Over here in North America the climate has changed toward China. Politically, every one has had enough of their bullshit trade inbalance, and one way trade only benefitting their companies and society. Its a slow process, but the sentiment is spreading and not looking good for future relations. Canadians are at this point are insane to be in China, if that Huawei executive in extradited to the US, Canadians could be rounded up and kicked out
Kicked out we can live with but arbitrarily detaining our citizens is going to unleash a backlash in Canada that China will regret. There is a lot of Chinese money and real estate in Canada that can be seized to put pressure on high ranking Chinese businessmen to make changes at the top in Chinese politics.
Hahaha...yeh trade with China has only benefited China, I guess you forget about your $200 flat screen tv's and cheap computers when it's convenient hey.
@@Thyalwaysseek i dont care about cheap shit, I care about my community and country and western values. Its our mistake for letting them have anything, we should have let Japan have them. They arent even greatful for saving their ass!
I agree with you, everything China produces is garbage but your ire should be directed at the government who sold off all our manufacturing industries to them instead of providing incentives for them to stay. The fact is though you and I don't care about their cheap shit the majority of people love going to Walmart and buying it.
Certain aspects of the Chinese future can be extrapolated. They have vast, quite incredible debt at many levels. The central government has been pushing provinces for economic growth. They have been taking the low hanging fruit and building tens of thousands of (poor quality) apartments which are empty. A small trigger will initiate the utter collapse of the construction industry as investment evaporates. Practically overnight this will spike massive unemployment and hardship. This will be difficult to hide from the people. As the CCP can do no wrong they will simply blame all of their problems on foreigners and foreign governments. What we are seeing now is just scene setting for preparing their society for this fresh level of hate. History tells us that such steps are precursors to war by governments that have little room to move, like Thatcher and Argentina. Tourists who want to see China should move soon, as the door is gradually closing again.
@@cesteres Meh, i doubt that will be a problem. If they decide to hoard it. Then that means a cold war. Look at what Western society achieved in that period with space technology. I think would accelerate things like space mining, which would make them completely irrelevant.
Ok @@kotodamamidnight412, that ''Sleeping Giant' stuff ' is just vacuous rhetoric, while references to the USA is irrelevant diversion to the topic at hand. If you have strategies, knowledge and trend analysis that may contribute to the conversation, then wheel it out and let's have a look at it. To quote 'Sir' Michael Palin, "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says." I think you may have to pay for another five minutes...
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@ADVCHINA However as a Chinese of China , I don't remember we Chinese had invited you came to visit or even live in China.
Red Flag None of us in the UK invited any Chinese here but there are more Chinese in the UK than English in China. Dick Head
Dude, why would the local government grant Chinese dimploma if the private school teach American cirriculum which does not teach Chinese langauge arts or Chinese history? Should us government grand GED and American high school dimplomas to those who can't not read/write English at the high school level or know nothing about US Constitution or any knowledge of US history?
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I taught English for ten years in Beijing. Loved it at first but over time you discover what it is really like to live in China. It certainly isn't any place too grow old. Deception is the order of the day. Disinformation all the time. Chinese ethics is an oxymoron.
I was living in China for nearly 4 years as an ESL teacher and recently moved back to America. I left for many of the reasons you stated. I just couldn't deal with it anymore.
The blameless Chinese where opium addicts long before Britian sold opium to willing and addicted chinese
Opium was also sold by the Chinese where do you think the various hill tribes
In the golden triangle came from .CHINAS originall opium growers that's where
@@nooffence7670 bullshit
2018
Serpentza: "We may be joining them if things continue the way they're going, you know". "Allright, right, right", Laowhy laughs.
2020:
Both left.
Is there a particular video where they talk about how they ended up leaving?
And how!
joining WHOM ?
I left China for one reason : my children. Which can be divided into two sub-reasons 1) pollution. I could no longer cope with my making them breathe, eat and drink poison 2) Chinese education, aka nationalist brainwashing + destruction of individual thought and sense of responsibility + animal-like spirit of competition.
Now for an idea of a subject you could cover in the future : how mixed families (Chinese + foreigner) cope after moving out of China, and how the Chinese side of the family sees it (mine see my wife as little short of a traitor for leaving to a far-way country and not being there for them).
Your wife's family see her as a traitor for being brave enough to move to the other side of the world with her husband?? Charming ... I bet your own family didn't see you as a traitor when you were living in China.
@@realdeal7530 When I told my widowed dad I was moving to China he was willing to pay for the first (one-way) ticket available himself lol. Of course he was going to miss me, but his son's interest and chance to discover a whole new world came first.
"Traitor" is maybe a bad wording, more like "ungrateful" or "unworthy". It's a whole different culture, where collective comes ahead of individual, and where family ties and hierarchy are paramount. Children are expected to support aging parents, including financially (in part because pension plans for the older generation aren't exactly comprehensive, but imho even more so for cultural reasons). This can already be a difficult situation for children who moved to a big Chinese city and can't be there physically for their parents on a regular basis, so imagine when they moved to another continent. In my specific case, the wife actually has a didi (younger brother) who lives with the parents and is doing an amazing job at burning the family's savings (which are of course owed exclusively to him, the male descendant). So, as much as I love the in-laws in spite of their flaws (and there actually are some aspects from their worldview that we could learn from, imho), we've made it clear to them that they won't see a cent from us. Hence the extra resentment.
Anyway, I don't hold a grudge against them, they grew up in a different world (one that is actually starting to be challenged by the younger Chinese generation itself). I do hold some grudge against my parasitic brother-in-law, but that is another story. What saddens me is that they (mostly the father-in-law, in fact) aren't giving my wife any moral support for her massively brave choice of moving to Europe, and that they don't seem to fully grasp that the main motivator for this decision was our children - their grandchildren - NOT pure self-interest.
@@chunyanhu3867 Are you british ? I got you when you said "didi" :)
@@chunyanhu3867 it's funny, how you said brainwashing education, when they most the time teach you about math and language. They barely teaches you history. I can say that as a fact, they often don't teach you about history or politics because math and language are the primary education we focus on.
@@chanchong4924 You don't see the obvious problem with knowing nothing about history? Note that people who don't know history are bound to repeat it. *cough* concentration camps *cough*
If they don't teach critical thinking and questioning things while controlling the news and censoring the internet you become very vulnerable to propaganda.
Beautiful! I only lasted two years in China but 20 years in Taiwan.
How to go to taiwan and work, for a white guy? There are what kind of opportunity? I wanna go too.
@@Mente_Magicka My son has lived in Taiwan for 5 years and also works there. I have friends there and they are very good people.
Good stuff !!
Sounds like cause for celebration. Go out & Taiwan on 🍸🎃
Do they pay well?
I don't think the Chinese government was ever interested in having non-Chinese foreigners live in China. There is just too much risk of dangerous attitudes and a lack of control for the Party. They were interested in using foreigners as "temporary workers" (i.e. language teachers), but I don't think they were ever keen on having foreigners actually move to China and start living there on a full-time basis. I think there is also some subtle, unrecognized racism underlying this. Ask people on the street whether China should grant Chinese citizenship to non-ethnic Chinese persons...
My Asian friends would agree. Second and Third generation Asians are better, though. FOBS are horrible.
And you'll never hear anybody in western media criticize them for that. Only whites are racist and "xenophobic" for wanting their own ethno states. for everyone else it's not only OK, it's a virtue.
I think you mean non-Asian foreigners. There are plenty of non-Han people in China (hell, they even were the government of China for 500+ years)
Yi, Qiang, Miao, Manchu, Mongolian, Viet, Korean, Uygur, Turk, Kazak, Tibetan...
All with Chinese citizenship. It does a disservice to the minorities and indigenous peoples of China to erase them from discussion.
Xenophobic is the better term as their against any not Chinese. Racism would be hating all Whites and Africans but being ok with all Asians. In Asia Xenophobic seams to be more the case. If it China vs any other Asian group that is tribalism. Racism is a fairly new thing from situations where one could not tell what tribe or country people were from. To be clear races are white, black, yellow, brown in the old often considered racist division (at my time 70's it was anti-racist songs listing all colors are wonderful and stuff like that) It get sort of stupid though when white is still white but your expected to use African, Asian, Australian Aborigine.
@@Autojones If you want an ethno state, you are racist, regardless of your ethnicity.
I’m Chinese and hearing about how people are forced out out of china breaks my heart. I really don’t understand why the government is doing all this. Turning people who genuinely loves china away is completely contradictory to what our culture has been about...
Without this channel i would never come close on hearing things like this, thank you for bringing the information in the open
The culture of the communist leaders is not the same as Chinese traditional culture. That's why.
因为这些人没有正经的工作，中国政府不会给一些在中国教英语的loser发签证的，就像美国一样， 你要申请h1b，总不会凭借清洁工的身份申请吧，博主就因为没有拿到签证才走的，其实中国人会感到很庆幸，因为中国要的是high skill，而不是在中国混的loser。
有什么不好理解的 你看看你这个帖子下面的回复里 一堆白人天天想着让西藏独立 还说是为了帮助建设西藏 他们怎么不让冲绳独立呢？ 非洲一堆穷人 印度更是穷的叮当响 他们怎么不去那帮助呢 西藏用的着他们帮助？西藏再穷的人 现在也比旁边居住在印度的那群藏人好过多了 那群在印度的藏人 现在连身份证都没有 印度政府不承认他们 他们现在只能从事最低端的工作 他们怎么不去对印度政府劝说 ？ 挂羊头卖狗肉 都是虚伪的很 让他们离开正合适
想在那搞煽动还说是为了发展藏药 好假
>"i don't understand why the government is doing all this"
nice, you just proved the "chinese people are brainwashed by the chinese government" meme.
My wife is Chinese (born in Thailand). We’re both learning Chinese. We explored the idea of settling in China and build our relationship with her extended family. We’ve visited a few places over the years and I sensed that it’s not possible to have a decent live in China, or develop ideas or become successful (before being taken down by some powerful competitor). We looked at the schools too. Frightening places! We investigated homeschooling and Montessori education and hit against a mountain of disapproving bureaucracy.
The Chinese themselves were studiously ignorant, not only about their own country and politics but about the world at large and couldn’t help or advise (oh we have plenty of freedom, we’re not being observed, Mao made China great, etc.). And unbelievably filthy, in mind and in body (unless you’re kind of well off and have your own private expensive apartment). It’s a soulless country, all technology, mindless traditions, no real values or consideration for others (except for practical reasons...) And then I re-remembered Taiwan... a country that had a close relationship with South Africa during the Apartheid years. In my mind I thought they were a pariah state (I’ve been wilfully ignorant too). So I went to go see for myself.
Wow, talk about chalk and cheese. Taiwan is a refreshing, progressive, global,and cosmopolitan country. Clean and organised, like Japan. They welcome foreigners (on the whole). They learn English. Their schools are progressive (or at least try to be). They are fairly knowledgeable about the world. They care about each other and the environment. They are scrupulously clean (very Japanese, I felt).
I’ve oversimplified of course, and didn’t get to explore either country deeply. But my gut feelings are that we should avoid China (and be ultra wary of China) and embrace and support Taiwan.
@Peter D What a bizarre and ignorant response! Women aren't possessions.
Are you married? Did you make a point of ONLY dating women from your own country so as not to "steal" any woman whose parents came from some other country (e.g. an American woman whose family is Italian in case you are stealing from Italian men. Or basically any woman from Thailand in case you might steal her from Thai men)!? :o
@@hometo89 He gets no girl
Taiwan was part of Japan (or, occupied by them) for much longer than Taiwan was part of mainland China over the last century and a half, maybe that has something to do with how they keep the place up.
I have heard that China is like one big New York City; dirty, same mean attitude, and even more corrupt and aggressive. Perhaps there is a limit to how many people you can just pile in on top of each other...
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Taiwan is only good for one thing: night markets.
Scrupulously clean Taiwan is not. Taipei MRT maybe, but not anywhere else.
I left China in 2017 despite having a successful 8 year design career there. I was starting to feel all the anti-foreigner pressures, both from government and citizens, plus the crackdown on VPNs, difficulty in banking and getting/keeping a home. Never coming back (maybe for visiting friends but not staying). I am SouthEast Asian and not white, and could be mistaken for a South-chinese so I dont think its an anti-west only thing, generally for all foreigners.
Smart move, don't go back not even for a visit.
In 2017, I went there with a white colleague for six months for business and leisure. I felt the hostile attitude toward foreigners. After the trip, I quit my job because my boss asked me to go back to China again. It's not news that Chinese police push suspects off a building or a bridge. Then the cause of death is depression.
Which part of China did you visit? China is vast country and the people's altitudes differ with each region. The Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities are more cosmopolitan and generally more friendly towards foreigners.
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I’m a Taiwanese. It’s so soothing and healing watching the scooter scenery and listening to you guys talk. Thank you so much for voicing the truth.
Taiwan number one 🇹🇼 🥇
I just can't believe that a decent, normal, honest human being would drive a scooter without wearing gloves. Absolutely blows my mind!
I don't get this glove thing , I never wore gloves driving scooter in Taiwan. Is this an inside joke or something?
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@@timeless8135 don't the sun do stuff to your skin? I mean, exposing your light-skin under the sun for a long period of time will cause your skin to redden and peel off... and in the long term it will tan, and also aged considerably, very wrinkled and old looking hand.
@@xponen Yes, you are correct , but I never worried so much about my hands. I would cover up the rest of my body though , never had a problem with my hands though. Having said that , I run a tile and stone installation company and my hands get pretty hardened from moving rock and stone all day .
@kim Dierichsen totally missed that!
I don’t blame them. How can you imagine yourself living under the social credit system, if you have a choice to leave?
Believe me you guys i've been here for 8 years now. I am a teacher, economics teacher not ESL, and I have been thinking a lot about everything that has been happening in China. I am married to a Chinese but we have been holding off on having a baby because of things that are happening in China
@islam is best Kinda ironic that someone like you is saying something like that. ;P
Frosty1979 lol
Lol wanting to do a runner from your wife eh lol
I don’t find it ironic at all. Given the situation with the Uighurs I’m surprised that more Muslims don’t feel that way.
I also have been here 8 or 9 years. Two kids with Chinese wife. Last summer my visa renewal application was rejected. In fact, they told me not to even apply. The reason? No reason given and I only a week left on my visa. It was a huge ordeal to get back in, but it was a warning siren. I believe what was said that it is a message from the govt. They don't want us here anymore. Now I am looking at options for my family. It seems that the USA doesn't want foreigners either and I don't' want to bring my family into that kind of atmosphere. It's a pity because there seems to be no rational explanation for such xenophobic behavior in China as well as in my home country, the United States. So where to next? Maybe Equador?
My father was born and raised in Harbin 3rd generation. The local Chinese government killed his younger brother because he pointed out a neighbor who was stealing. It turned out he was a relative of some low level official the my father was arrested and my grandmother was beaten my grandfather was taken away and was gone for 3 years. Thats the China that my family knows. My family was Russian (BIG NOSE) and so automatically a FOREIGNER.
My question is(If you are from Russia), why don't you report this to the Russian government so they would question there relationship with China?
@@eze__95 He said that he was third generation in his comment. Ethnic Russians have lived in China's northeastern and northwestern regions since as early as the late 19th century and "White Russian" is one of the 55 recognised ethnic minorities of China. They are PRC citizens and hold PRC passports. With the exception of some isolated farming communities in northwestern China, most ethnic Russians in China are, for all intents and purposes, culturally and linguistically assimilated.
@The MGTOW Monk I think that;'s why they get along so well with Israel. They are together planning the new world order city of Neom, very creepy. Maybe both ethnic groups, not just the Chinese - have the Denisovan hominid DNA. They have the same constellation of negative inborn traits.
The ( Nazi) Party Cadres are Untouchables ....!!!!
@@TheABCKevin That would be interesting to see; ethnic Caucasians/Russians who are Chinese citizens, and speak Chinese.
Not just foreigners, even Chinese themselves are leaving China if they have money, China politic is so unpredictable that no one know if you will get in trouble the next day or not.
Duy Anh Lưu this is why the whole pacific rim is full of chinese.
Unfortunately true
@Maintenance Renegade Trump can't argue out a paper bag.... how did North Korea go? Lmfao.
@@Kenny-sh3si they are reconnecting the roads, and demining the dmz
@@johnharker7194 They are still making nukes though, which is what Trump wanted them to stop and get rid of. It's fine, won't take a day or even months but its still mostly cosmetic stuff. This is I think the 4th time they got to around this stage. They backed out all the previous times. Would be cool if Trump and South Korea can get them over the hump this time.
I left chengdu almost 20 years ago, and now live in new york.
Can't compare the freedom of speech and the fresh and cleaner air in USA, I love New York!
"I love New Yorks fresh Air" - First known historical recording: ca. 2019
I don’t want to go to China if NYC air is clean in comparison 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ggaffgaff3072 and here we complain about Paris, lol Americans find our air clean.
Amanda L New York is the last city where I wanna live in the world because paying 2000 dollars for a super tiny room its nothing else than modern slavery
@@franctokyo5981 its that bad??? In Paris, we pay around 900 for a one-bedroom equipped appartment
Our family are Han Canadians, We left China in 2015, after living there for 11 years.
We home schooled our daughter in China. We found that local schools in China are teaching kids pretty twisted life attitudes even from kindergarten, kids are often taught to be narcissists.
I also had kidney cancer, that Chinese hospitals misdiagnosed it twice as something else, luckily it was finally caught.
We have a local chinese friend who had lymph cancer, he had a hundred CT scans and the hospitals never gave him a protective apron for the procedures. He also found that new cancer drugs are 3 times more expensive in China, he ended up smuggling his own drugs from Taiwan and Hong Kong.
We know a doctor in China, the hospital chief ordered her to add Chinese medicines in her practice for the sake of nationalism (love your country).
Doctor salaries are very low that the custom is to supplement their incomes with gifts from the patients. It is the de facto custom.
People in China are not well taken care of. The main reason is that the power hungry Party has to keep control of every sector. There is no real medical association, just the Party controlling everything, no real education association, just the Party.
Very good to hear an honest answer about a garbage govt that needs to be changed. The problem is that people are brainwashed into thinking that the communist govt is the people, when its not. Taiwan is shining example of a China without XI
@@stevenobinator2229 I lived in Taiwan over 20 years ago. It's democratic system completely obliterates the stupid lie of the Chinese Communists that Western democracy wouldn't work in mainland China. The PRC will never be an efficient capitalist system since the Party is hostile to the rule of law and human rights.
@@TesterBoy great name Btw. I just hope China isnt able to export any of their system to other countries. There should be an alliance of countries against China at this point.
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"We found that local schools in China are teaching kids pretty twisted life attitudes even from kindergarten, kids are often taught to be narcissists. "
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I've lived in China for 5 years.. i dedicated my time to learning Tibetan Language and started a non-profit to distribute their rare herbal formulas from the himalayas to the west, and we take the profits to restore their ancient temples and structures that the government tries to destroy.. But on Jan 25 i will be leaving China for good, never to return again.. i cant go anywhere with my Tibetan friends without being stopped by police, searched and even called a terrorist by local Chinese for supporting the Tibetan people.. I could go on for days and day about why i will never return to China honestly..
How did you manage to get permission to live in that part of the country? I've had difficulty even getting there.
should see my video i made in tibet
This whole comments section is basically ppl shit-talking their ex. I mean, nobody forced these folks into china, and many do business/work fine there; sometimes things don't work out like any relationship, but the real judge of character is how people choose to present failed relationships.
@Basil Rathbonez If you've actually read anything substantive on tibet you'd know that they declared independence at behest of the british & friends while china was ravaged by the same occupying powers. You'd also know that tibet was a religious feudal society akin to medieval europe, not some freedum utopia. The CCP is what it is, a ruling oligarchy using whatever tools at its disposal to keep in power; the world isn't a rosy place that they teach simpletons. It's really hilarious when ignoramus try to "educate" the actually educated by spewing western agitprop.
@@agenthex You've probably never been to China or stepped foot on Tibetan soil, so to speak with such anger and hatred to people you don't know makes you no less of an "ignoramus"..
Now that China got what they want from foreigners and their manufacturers, they have less use for them. I have always thought that it is very short sighted of companies to manufacture in China. China has consistently been reverse engineering the designs and manufacturing process and bringing to market their own competing products. Now all of these companies have more competition to face coming from China.
I used to work for GM as a software developer and we took some steps to protect our IP from reverse engineering during manufacture in China, such as encrypting vehicle firmware. But still you see China's brands continuing to use more and more of our technology, and more and more likely there will be some break out Chinese car brand in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if GM goes bankrupt again thanks to a Chinese car brand that they helped bootstrap.
Look at SsangYong or however the fuck you spell it. A good friend of mine (He's a mechanic) works at an "MG" main dealer and they are most of their work these days. All they are (From my knowledge) are chevrolet clones. Even as a HGV Mechanic myself, I am noticing more and more Hino trucks, which are Japanese(But, from what I can tell, mostly soured from China), creeping into the industry, although, on the truck side of things, many firms stick to one name brand. It's a shame to see our technology stolen without repercussion, due to their shitty government and ways but also the greedy business men who do not care for us, or realise what will happen. As far as I'm concerned, fuck them.
Which is a shame, because it's an astonishingly beautiful country for the most part.
Leave it to westerner countries, especially america, to give the chinese access to all their best technology for cheaper labor. After all what could go wrong?
You mean, got what they needed to steal, right?
Their mistake.
Such theft encourages new development from their victims, which they will NOT be allowed to see.
@@devilslayerthesaintofkille1317 We Western countrys could just move the factorys to cheaper country's :P india indonesia thailand ect ect few years ago Geox nike and a few other brands moved the factory's to shave on wages ...lots of stuff you can do in china you can do in a other country as well. only problem is you lose access to the Chinese market . but i expect a huge economic crash to happen in china in the next few years .
Nah, the Big 3 have huge influence via all their hundreds of thousands of employees and all the money they make. The government would be lobbied until they prevented the import of the Chinese car brand.
I haven't been so impressed by a 'mini-documentary', rant or whatever you wanna call it, in a long time. WELL DONE GUYS.
This is old news. I work for a Canadian company that in the 1990s chose to invest heavily in the Chinese market. They opened a large, brand new, very advanced plant which they equipped with the world's most advanced technology in their particular field and hired and trained locals. For publicity they sponsored TV documentary shows , river cruises, the works. Then one day, poof!, just like that, it became impossible to sell or distribute their product. Money started haemorrhaging. This went on for a while until it could no longer continue. The company cut its losses and sold the whole enterprise to Chinese interests for a symbolic amount. Miraculously, production and sales restarted and today, building on this stolen (let's call a spade a spade) technology, China has become the world's largest producer of this field.
not much loyalty from the company or owner so expect so from other?
CaptHollister About the same time, a Chinese manufacturing company was in trouble and announced their wish for foreign investment. An Australian answered, the deal was that, he would buy half the company and run it for five years, then he'd sell his half back to them and leave. Soon after the company was back on track and making good profit. Five years later he took his half share - which was a substantial amount - and went home, and soon after the company was off the rails again losing loads of money. They asked him to go back for the same deal, but he said, he'd prefer to work there as an employee for three years, but for a massive paycheck. So off he went and the company was making money again.
Then the powers-that-be at the company decided to screw him over; the cops had him arrested, and during his detention, a new law was rushed through the system to make him guilty of whatever, and he as charged under that very law, and was sentenced to life imprisonment. He was freed after quite a few years though.
As a fellow Australian I can't help but suspect that the company was angry about a foreigner who's able to do what they could not do, being the Chinese master race notwithstanding. But their ability to set off that chain of event that led to his conviction and incarceration can say something about the country nonetheless.
Can you name the company, plz?
@@zhaoxunyan4016 I cannot recall off-hand, but a quick search on Google showed no shortage of Australians getting jailed in China for dubious reasons.
@@Aleth86 You have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm an ESL teacher and I'm leaving China! One of the best decisions I could ever make! :)
Where were you teaching?
Could you elaborate? I'm about to move there as an ESL Teacher! Arghh
What James said
@@jameseamonncollins1131 consider Vietnam
@@jameseamonncollins1131 Did you move to China or did the pandemic prevent you from going?
The speedo actually works perfectly, but when the bike detects the rider is not wearing gloves it just assumes the rider is still getting ready and this speed data coming up the cable must be an error, because obviously no one would be crazy enough to ride around on the road in China or anywhere else without gloves. The ECU is basically saying "Does.... not.... compute"
Makes me love my BMW scooter all the more! At least it doesn't tell me how to drive!
tosgem - never mind gloves, he isn't even wearing long pants. Stupid...cover that skin.
ecu is throwing a failing brain code
It needs calibrated to detect the difference between a strike from an un-gloved hand vs. gloved hand.
@@Staromil Chinese asphalt CAN melt white skin.
because the more you learn about China, you will see a more clear picture and you know it isn't how things done
they are still living in dark age
Every country have it uprising and down rising
Yes, but the CCP has to be the stupidest bunch of people on the planet! And the biggest reason is because they screwed their own country big time!
The 91 million people of the CCP have got to go!
@@sarahhaugh7922 But tbh China is the faster growing developing country ever ,and if the ccp were responsible of doing that ,then I'm proud of them
@@radoinezoubir3370 I suspect that economic growth in China was largely due to greedy western capitalists moving their manufacturing businesses from the West to China because of cheap labor and lack of environmental regulations. The western businessmen basically sold their companies for profit, no morals at all, as long as they make money, even if they hurt their own people due to increased unemployment in the west, thanks to factories closing down and people losing their jobs.
@@grumpiebrown its not really about that since there is a lots of cheap labors countries in third countries like mine for example "Morocco " but the reason why everyone putting their industry on China is the huge natural source that can help you build your projects easily
Really enjoying the exploration of more politically sensative subjects lately. China is so interesting and its important to view it from every angle.
You guys do a great job being measured and adding a personal account to your subjects
Growing your economy by building cities no one lives in and airports no one flies to was always going to end badly. China’s misuse of resources is frightening, having them involved in building nuclear plants in the uk is madness.
i'M SORRY THE WHAT PLANTS
EXCUSE ME, CHINAS BEEN BUILDING NUCLEAR PLANTS HERE?? SERIOUSLY, YOU GOT A SOURCE? ITS CONCERNING ME
My Chinese wife (me white) and I will be leaving China soon. We're selling our apartment and moving back to USA. Not that we don't love China, on the contrary. We're leaving for all the reasons you described. My wife is a University professor, from my personnel experiance I can vouch for what you're saying. Great video was in Hualien in 2016 loved it.
^ really the sort of conversation to be expected between expats and nationalists when it comes to foreigners.
I lived there in the early 2000's....I realized that marrying into a Chinese family is the only way you can advance as a foreigner, long term, in China.
@@johnsain - You are always still a foreigner. Your mixed children will never be seen as anything but a foreigner's bastards. The Chinese will be friendly and polite while their rulers are acting friendly and polite. Then one morning everything will be 180° opposite. It will then be "hate the foreign devils day" until the rulers turn the friendly and polite face on again.
No offense, but how'd you marry a Chinese professor? Pointing out you're white is kind of an odd thing to add mid sentence in the wrong place. Also: 1) personnel? 2) experiance? Sorry to pick on you. I'm just agitated these days because I've been struggling to get an ESL job in China. I have the degree, the tefl, and old experience before my degree. I'd go to Vietnam or something, but I've heard getting a public school or university job is impossible.
IntrepidEv personnel= US public education
I live in Thailand and it is getting harder to live here as well. It is like the Thai government does not want foreigners here either. I am ready to leave too.
Too many foreigners are bad they influence the culture and the people visiting is ok but living there is stepping on their toes. Ive even read articles about Thailand getting tired of foreigners in their country .
ผมก็ยังเห็นฝรั่งไปอยู่เมืองไทย ผมยังไม่เห็นปัญหาของข้อกฤหมายที่ขัดขวางคนต่างชาติเข้าเมือง ตอนนี้มีคนต่างชาติเยอะแยะไปหมด คุณคงไปเกี่ยวข้องกับกลุ่มการเมืองหรือเปล่า เลยมีปัญหา อีกอย่าง เมืองไทยปกครองแบบประชาธิปไตยโดยมีพระมหากษัตริย์เป็นประมุข ถ้าไม่ได้เข้าไปเกี่ยวข้องกับกลุ่มที่จะล้มล้างการปกครองของประเทศ ก็ไม่น่าจะมีปัญหา ที่สงสัยแบบนี้เพราะ ระยะหลัง มักมีคนต่างชาติเข้ามายุ่งเกี่ยวกับกิจการบ้านเมืองของไทย ทั้ง ๆ ที่ไม่ใช่คนไทย
It’s an over rated shithole anyway
They don't. Thailand is asking expats to leave even if retirement which is good investment for Thai as not taking jobs but just spending. Thai is owned by china now.
I left Thailand after living there for 8 years. When I left it wasn't as bad as it is now. Yeah, they do not want farang there long term.
Why would you think building a life in China would be a good thing for for a westerner? It's common knowledge that China isn't a free country.
@Jimmy.... I think 80% of Chinese support the State ideology. So, if foreigners don't like the situation , they are FREE to leave. I did .
I have been in China for 5 years now, and it feels relieving that someone is talking about it, I don't feel alone anymore. I actually want to leave as soon as I can... Thank's for this video !
The longer you stay the more danger your in.
Amen
Move to Kuala Lumpur. Large Chinese population and freedom. Get out while you can. Winds of war are blowing. Take the hint and leave while you can.
Living in a Muslim country?
@Andrew_koala sorry about your grandfather, sounds like a great man
Just curious David, where ya from?
@@slomo4672 Yeah its a secular Muslim country. Its not bad but not great either. It has its own fair share of racial issues here like any other country. In Malaysia the Malays (majority race) treat Chinese and the other races here like 2nd class citizens HOWEVER I would still stay here then China.
The original Chinese immigrants who came to Malaysia were brought in by the British to help in the mining industry most of em were brought in mid to late 1800s. In some sense I'd say thank fuck for that lol. They weren't effected by Mao's communistic BS.
I left Shenzhen a year and a half ago, after having lived there for almost 5 years. There were two main reasons. First and foremost was my health. I developed a brutal chronic cough that only got worse in China. Secondly, it became 100% illegal for me to sing songs for side cash in China. I had a legit work Visa and taught music at some of the top international schools in Shenzhen. However, even with this Visa, I could not legally make side money performing music in China. Basically, I had to choose between my health and my music or life in China. I guess there is one more reason - home ownership. It's quite difficult owning property in China as a foreigner. Now I own something with my brother in Chicago, something that was nearly impossible for me in Shenzhen as a single foreigner.
Really? A chronic cough from Shenzhen? I live in Xuzhou and the pollution up here is normally double Shenzhen's and peaks at 5 times Shenzhen. There are things you can do you know, buy a mask with filters for going outside and get an air purifier for your home.
Hard for single foreigners to buy, that’s right. Easy if you got married to a Chinese. Knowing that it doesn’t make it yours neither, eventhough you can use it as ling as you’re married if some day you’ll have to divorce with your wife, there is only very few chance that government let you have your part of the apartment you bought along with your wife. Unless she wants to be fair and give it to you, but it never happens like that.
@@jonprue4202 It is the disease of jungle weather. The very southern part of China is so hot and humid that I, as a Northern Chinese, do not dare to live there. Although the sky of Shenzhen is far much clearer than Beijing, as clear as that in HK.
@@jonprue4202 I don't know that having to wear a gas mask is the ideal environment to be living in...
@@aaronhammerling9739 The air quality isn't constantly bad, it's only a few days a month where I have worn my mask to go out and it's also only a seasonal thing. During the winter they burn coal in the factories and in 2-3 months it won't even be an issue. So it's just a small inconvenience to deal with in order to reap all of the benefits.
C-Milk’s average speed this trip = 0 kph
nothing a good beating 3:56 could not fix
munchkin42 I leave that up for interpretation 😉
+Legionitalia, writes _"C-Milk’s average speed this trip = 0 kph"_
I knew these guys weren't really riding around and just using a green screen -- this is proof!
The odometers were probably 'made in China.'
tail light also behaving oddly..
Foreigners leaving China? How about the Chinese leaving China? Many reasons you described regarding why foreigners are leaving China are the same reasons Chinese are leaving China!! Have you been to New York City? There’s a section in NYC called Flushing (where I live). It is now a full fledged Chinatown. Construction is unbelievable. All over the place. Who’s buying the majority of the condos? The Chinese from China. Why are they coming? To invest bc it’s not easy in China. And for education. And a better life.
australia now has 1 million chinese immigrants
This is a big part of the Chinese government's plan. They block the entrance of foreigners into Chinese markets whilst encouraging Chinese to go to countries with freeish markets to buy property and businesses. Local people, who have been blocked from saving due to high taxes over years and years, are then blocked from entering markets in their own countries. Voila, China is in control. Make no bones, these Chinese immigrants have no loyalty to their host countries and are only interested in ultimately imposing political and economic control. My country, New Zealand, has been very naive and we will regret it (are already in fact). The Chinese actually come here and say how stupud we are; not only do we let them take over but we also offer welfare benefits to people who have contributed little or nothing to our society.
@@wenshu888
there certainly seems to be that chinese thing with loyalty. they come to the west for a better life, more freedom, more safety, etc, but then they seem to be very easily coerced into spying on the fellow chinese and other citizens in their new home.
personally i think the mainland chinese government looks at foreign countries, peoples as just to be exploited. which ever way.
@islam is best You're muslim too? If so, this is how people talk about your people as well... don't want to propagate that mentality against yourself.
Nice deflection.
Thanks for this completely unbiased video straight from the streets. Hearing what the real people think, this video brings tears to my eyes.
My favorite place in china is:
The international departures terminal.
cnordegren I’m married to a Chinese citizen and we have a daughter and, thanks God, we live in Spain, but I still have to go through all the Chinese bullshit once a year and whenever any of her family members ask me “what do you like the most from China?”, my first thought is always what you posted! Of course, I try to be polite, smile, swallow my thoughts and mumble some tourist attraction I have 0 interest on.
biased reporting results in biased audience.
Zhaoxun Yan Not at all. I approached China with the best intentions and the best will, but the country beats you down mercilessly. Every daily activity is a chorus: from taking metro, where everyone tries to stomp in and out without any consideration, general hygiene, endless burocracy for everything, lawless traffic and the list goes on and on...But you see, I’m married to an amazing Chinese woman that compensates all this and at the end, I just visit China for a couple of weeks a year. When I’m there, I just try to remain as still and quiet as possible and pray for the moment to get the hell out of there as soon as possible and go on with our life without having to ask consent to the Communist Party.
J G 😂 😂 😂 It does, since everyone watches movies without using headset, the reduced offer of restaurants, the non-existan international book store (maybe I’m just too spoiled) and the permanent lack of efficiency, but at least I feel excited to come back to daily life and be able to read the news and access TH-cam.
tokorojj : My favorite is this golden oldie “Chinese people are nice, aren’t they”. I omitted the question mark, because it’s asked in the vein of a statement or a rhetorical question.
Top notch commentary and analyses, guys. Thanks much. I made 6 trips into southern China myself back in the 2007-2009 time frame on behalf of a company I was working for at the time. I met many fine Chinese citizens who were hard working. I saw all of the things I'm seeing on your videos, and saw many Westerners there like myself. It doesn't surprise me, however, that many are now leaving as the Chinese Communist government's mindset is to be insular and fearful of continued Western influences. That mindset will eventually cause their own collapse and the continued impoverishment of their own people. Sad, but true.
@Jeff Smith Enjoying yourself?
Jeff Smith -- I seriously hope China doesn’t repeat the mistakes of it’s past. Almost every dynasty China fell into decline after the conservative closed mindset began to take over. Tang Dynasty, Ming dynasty, Qing Dynasty.. xenophobia and growing oppression...it’s a never ending cycle. Starts with a lot of pride, then lags behind and when outsiders bully you, China always takes it out on its own people and blame it on others, instead of learning what it’s falling behind in and self improvement by learning from others. I truly hope the next Generation of young Chinese will change Chinese society for the better. Insular mindset will never be the answer. A truly powerful nation isn’t afraid of criticism, Hope China can come to that point.
Charles Cxgo if a tenth of the young generation Chinese think the way you do my country will have hope. It is hard to have a correct world view in a nation where almost everything is censored and restricted. My hope is on the children of the rich and powerful because they get the chance to go out and learn in a more advanced culture. Only they have enough power and resource to make a change.
@@charlescxgo7629 Totally agreed, and is the positive mindset to take to move forward with the rest of the world.
C-Milk, you should be wearing gloves! (Did I do it right?)
No, you were supposed to give him some feces!
Have some respect for Winston's wishes, man.
Here you go, C-Milk:
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Right on
perfect 👍
C-MILK, No gloves, Shorts, please tell me you weren't wearing Sandals?
The USA State Department has issued a advisory warning for citizens to avoid going to china at this time.
Wow I didn't know that
Yes, good riddance to bad rubbish.
Yep and The media call Trump "racist" for it...
Woke people will still love China, because the US is so bad in everything.
New taxation legislation is one of the biggest reasons.
Beginning January 1, 2019, an individual who resides in China for 183-days or more will be considered a tax resident and be liable to PRC IIT on their global income.
Everything you have posted is true regarding healthcare, visa issues and education, I have been living in Guangdong province since 2007 and the downturn of the electronics industry has also been devastating to foreign investors in Dongguan, coupled with the rising salary levels.
The new Global tax will be the final nail in the coffin I believe, You shall have to pay tax in your home country as well as China now.
Stay safe.
Global tax? It's been a law in USA for years that you pay tax in both countries. Also, as far as I remember, before 2019 you were taxed in China. So, I don't really understand why you are hanging on the tax change unless you're making bank? If I had that kind of money flowing into my pocket, I definitely would move to greener pastures. China's a good place to start, I'd invest some of my money into projects to improve China and the rest into starting a new life elsewhere.
IntrepidEv For US citizens. If you are a foreigner not living in China anymore and having to pay their tax still....that’s a bit weird no? Unless I misunderstood the OP
I watched the Chinese economy carefully for several years. Last year I was careful to convert my money and send it home as soon as I got paid. As the yuan plummeted and my students complained more about unemployment, I figured it was time to get out. The restrictions on VPNs and the constant sabotage of them kind of sealed the deal for me. Now I'm watching the Chinese economy torpedo and the government get more oppressive from the US and I am so, so happy that I left when I did.
This is a really important issue to get out in the open and I'm glad someone is able to speak frankly about these things. It's been an ongoing issue for me, but what's weighing heavily on my heart right now is the undeniable fact that there are still people in this world that outright refuse to wear gloves out in the elements. I just can't wrap my mind around the choices some people are making these days. To 2019, hope it's not the last.
I spent seven years teaching in China 🇨🇳. I’ll never go back
Hell
I have been traveling to China for 3 years but with the current trade war and reports I am hearing about China I have lost all desire to visit China. This Spring I am going to Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore. I even have a new Chinese visa and now I don't plan on using it. I love the people of China but lost all respect for the Government
Herb Halling; You are wise.
that’s literally 1.65 billion people.
Your disrespect is well-founded
Jamie Lennon here ! We love you and we want to see you safe with your families safe
I never grow tired of ADVChina's "theme song"
I remember youuuuu
is this a meme?
Yes, very catchy!
Yep
It's terrible! And gay!
"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet."-- Matthew 10:14
I think that China might be preparing for a big economic disaster. Authoritarian countries tend to be cyclical with periods of oppression followed by periods of relative freedom. The current freedom period in China has been driven by a very favorable export economy with western countries, but this is gradually coming to an end. Foreign businesses that were having their products made in China are now moving to other countries like India, where they can actually own businesses without a native partner owning 51% of the business. Also, a lot of western countries have wised up. They have realized how detrimental over-regulation of domestic businesses has been to their local economies. This is leading to a lot of deregulation, even in European countries. In short, fewer foreign entities are choosing to do business in China. Even worse, the technology of manufacturing is gradually becoming less and less dependant on cheap, skilled human labor -- China's claim to fame. The watch phrase that guides a lot of manufacturing companies these days is: "Automate or die." Typically, countries like China want to start moving foreigners out when trouble is on the horizon. If you will remember, during the Tian'an Men massacre, China prepared by first expelling every foreigner from the country, which was probably a massive undertaking. Will there be another Cultural-Revolution-like event? I doubt it will be quite that severe, but something is in the offing. Remember, authentic and open economic information is not published in China. The only time that authoritarian countries publish negative economic information is when they want to use that information to manipulate people or events. A thousand economic dams could be ready to break in China, and nobody but select government insiders would even have a clue.
You guys left to avoid taxes.
Fuck you guys I hope they kick you out and take all your stuff. If your gonna build shit build it where you were raised and born and help the land you come from.
A massive Chinese currency devaluation is coming up soon.
@@Mageroeth you obviously have no clue...
@@haraldkonrad353 Nah I do I run an IT consulting firm and my friends were just like you guys.
Low taxes and the communist government is gonna help just move there you can do most the stuff remotely I was told, little to no taxes I was told, 30cents on hour labour for lvl 1-2 techs I was told, and this is when the gig economy was first getting steam.
Did I take my shit and leave my town hell no I had only 4 guys and all 4 them were more valuable to me then short term gain. So I stayed my ass in NY and paid my taxes and paid my guys a reasonable pay.
And you know what 2 of them just finished a there engineering degree within the company and I'm up to 7 guys now.
I have a clue the difference is I'm not a fucking sellout.
I mean china definitely has an enormous housing bubble. They talked about it before. It's just a question as to when it's going to burst not if.
I had no sympathy for Westerners who are living China. You knew from the beginning that you were going to live in a country where human rights are non existent. Deal with it. If you are forced out, too bad for you. My dad spent 2 years working in Libya in early 90's. He was in civil aerospace industry and he got to maintain Gaddafi airplane. His biggest fear was that he was working in a country that had no human rights. He was ready to leave any day. He was there for the money (Gaddafi paid them very very well) but he knew it could end any day and he might not come back home. He took the risk.
So you all know you are going into country that had no human rights. You are there for the money (mostly) or adventure. Deal with it.
Very true, that's how authoritarian countries work, let's leave china to stew in its own mess
I really think you guys are making Taiwan looks amazing! I enjoy every episode!
I know Taiwan is amazing by the products I get from there. They're always top notch way above the "other" people.
I really hope Taiwan remains an autonomous country (or "territory" since it gets the thin skinned chinese politicians furious). Your big neighbor is making big leaps backwards,
@Brandy WasayThe ancestors of Chinese from Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong were actually from the mainland, so how are they the REAL Chinese like you said?
Because they are not the thin skinned power grabbing politicians and sheep that follow them. They are the original, strong, resourceful and history conscious people of the old imperial systems that adapt to the changing world and take pride in their work. These are the true people who built the long standing Great Wall and not the slap dash layabouts that have been destroying the old buildings because they do not know how to fix them.
@Taiwanlight "there's more traditional Chinese culture in Taiwan"
Taiwan was ruled by Japan for more than 50 years prior to Han Chinese arrival. Furthermore there exists Taiwanese Aboriginal culture too in Taiwan, so how does Taiwan have more traditional Chinese culture than the mainland, when its being diluted by Japanese and Taiwanese Aboriginal culture?
According to UNESCO World Heritage Sites, *China ranks 2nd in the world in the number of World Heritage Sites* at 53, just behind Italy at 54. Many of China's cultural monuments still remain in the mainland, such as the Great Wall of China, the Grand Canal (world's longest artificial river), the Forbidden City, the Qin Emperor's Tomb, the Terracotta Warriors, and so on.
_List of World Heritage Sites in China_ wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_China
Yo, C-Milk, I almost lost my thumb in a motorcycle wreck.
Oh, forgot to mention, I wasn't wearing gloves.
I feel exactly the same as you guys, and am also leaving soon.
This comment just detracted 3 points from your social score, you are now being monitored by the Chinese government it will not be allowed to leave or fly out your passport will be revoked- Chinese government
sounds about right
Albert Lima Lima it’s amazing how many of them their are here in the comments section. Western trolls like the 77th brigade British army propaganda teams. Just like the made up Uighurs in camps lies
@@JohnKobaRuddy My gosh you guys don't know how to take a joke???
the factories are leaving anyway so the party and good times are over, first they become like Japan, stagflation, then like Brazil, middle class trap, vietnam and india are getting the capital investment, factories always leave when cost gets too high, left England, America, Germany, now China, nothing can stop history repeating itself.
Road rash sucks buddy, get those gloves on .
It's not just the threat of laying it down either; taking a flung rock in the knuckles will sting like the dickens.
I was born and raised in China and came to Canada. I now hold a Canadian passport and speak perfectly fluent Chinese. But even I am paranoid when I'm visiting my extended family in China. There are just so much information you have to fill out everyone. You almost can't do anything without linking it to your ID or your phone number, which is linked to your ID, anymore.
They probably see you as a traitor.
@@jackb8469 nobody sees what passport I hold. It's just my own discomfort being watched everywhere and every app requiring access to everything
LOL they don't want you in Canada, don't you morons see how they speak of you there? LMFAO, according to these white people, Chinese are the only ones that are racist not the white men. God forbid you buy property there, you therefore must be a Communist party member whos corrupt!
@@steven1898 salty people everywhere no matter the race. Just gotta deal with it
You mean like submitting your phone and whatsapp chats at the US border, China is perhaps more over bearing in controlling everything but other governments are just doing the same, inescapable in this wired world! As long as we are radicals/extremists, we should be just fine!
I was in China from 09-11 and then again from 13-14. I noticed the change in 2014 myself. I had my visa denied, a Chinese company wanted to hire me as an international sales person at a steel company to give their company a foreign face to make their foreign partners more comfortable. If it’s an international company you want international people. I was denied it for some reason and I had gone to graduate school for this stuff so I was qualified. I’d say things started turning right around the time I left. I loved china but I’m glad I went when I did and I’m glad I left. I still miss it but I’m happy where I am now back in America
Must've been easy getting a job with your major. I was there same time as you, but now my friends that are leaving are saying things changed drastically over the past 5 years. My global studies degree is worthless in US until I pair it with an MBA or something. ESL and cost of living in China allows me to save money faster so I can get another degree online. Unfortunately, I'm struggling to find a school that will take me. Very different from 2009 when I had schools and agents sending me 50 emails a day trying to hire me.
@@MegaMerlin2011 Wow interesting. I mean the part of receiving so many offers. I guess that was cool
Quique Dillon it's cool, but I didn't have the documents back then for a work visa. if you go to China and search the job boards just email the agents. 1 email. next thing you know you're getting job postings every month fill up your inbox
@@MegaMerlin2011 !
I think it started even earlier man, like 2011-ish. That's when there was a lot of chatter about "too many undesirable foreigners" who were mostly unemployed grads from the recession still hanging around and they started changing and limited visas for foreigners. Miss the old days, it was like the wild west (or east?). It's not like that anymore.
Yep, I was there off and on for about a decade. Speak Chinese fluently, but left it all about 4 months ago. It's just a land of headaches and endless BS. There is no peace living in China, only constant haggling and frustration at every corner. There are so many happier places in the world. I feel the only people who "like" it are either lying to themselves or are truly delusional. Not a lot to like.
Graham, there's a lot to like if you've been working the same job in your own country for over a decade without a chance to make any savings. China is bringing my dignity back, for which I'm deeply grateful. Not all of us come from countries with stable economies.
Graham Salzer can’t agree more. As a Chinese. I’m like you said, constantly lying to myself, that things will improve. But it just won’t in the short term. Thinking about immigrating too. I wish it could be easier. But now country of the world are setting up higher and higher barriers. Struggling.
Alex lucky you.
i liked the scenery in Nanjing and my electric motorcycle. thats it! ...okay, cheap massages too.
That can be different for each individual, some people live their life with happiness and never see anything bad, which for them is enough to make em love China and will follow whatever they are told by government.
I'm an American living in Shenzhen. I have noticed a large uptick in Russian teachers posing as native English speakers here. Chinese people often don't look further into it beyond "Oh, they're white so therefore they speak English" despite the fact that often the Russians' English is terrible. I guess it makes sense that there are a lot of Russians living in China, since they share a huge land border. I just find it weird that most of them seem to be English teachers. Perhaps they are just filling the gap of Americans, Australians, British, New Zealanders and Canadians leaving.
Russians are cheaper than Westerners, the Chinese just use them for status.
Made in china english teacher is Russian lol everything on there is fake
Perhaps this explains why the more stringent check on qualifications as more people are faking this to get a ESL job or worse!
Russia does have an incentive to try to undermine China as well.
The kick out the imperialists ! Why you don t get it ? Your the enemy of all people !! China is soo smart... they know you before you know yourself !...:)
That statue represents aborigines who lived on the east coast of Taiwan. They were expert seafarers.
Nice info. Now China may lay claim to Australia, since there must have been an ancient Chinese dude travelling with them and propose ownership through maps and travel logs
@@FvFurz hahaha
@@mrtaoroo now the 9 dash line has to be expanded into a 18 dash line (random number, just as 一八 yao ba, want luck, or 45 immortal)
My wife and I were in Hualien a couple weeks ago. While there, I started to notice a strange language on some of the signs, not Chinese, not English. Almost like Malay or Tagalog. Then I saw a TV news show where the anchor was dressed in Taiwanese Aboriginal clothing. At the bottom of the screen were captions in the same language, so I guessed it must be the Taiwanese aboriginal language.
@@telegraphdude6823 Probably Ami tribe language . There are something like 14 tribes in Taiwan. Polynesians ancestors come from Taiwan.
Of you visit Hualien at certain times of year you can see their festivals and dances.
Hi ADVChina, I am a Chinese, studying in Europe. I really like your videos. I am touched by your words that you want to flip ten years in the future and see the state of China. I feel the same. I hope you can still keep following China and make videos about its path and changes after ten years. Best wishes to you and your families.
I have to disagree with what you said about ESL teachers... I do “understand what’s going on” around me... and I’m watching this video for that exact reason. The visa process is absolutely bonkers. It’s practically impossible to integrate myself into this culture, because as that article said “I’ll never be Chinese”. Hong Kong is easy, Philippines is easy, Indonesia is easy, but absolutely everything in China is so damn difficult and working with Chinese people can be really awful sometimes. And they’ll treat Americans like they’re stupid too which makes it even worse. I’m regretting my lengthy contract and wishing I signed somewhere else.
I am learning the language, I am exploring the country and trying to integrate... As is every other ESL teacher I know here... Definitely disagree with what you said and feel a little offended by it. I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t interested in Chinese culture, the Chinese way of life and language.
I can’t even begin to tell you the difficulties I’ve experienced but of course I don’t have to tell you, you know already... As an ESL teacher I’m absolutely effected by all of this.
Still watching as I’m updating this comment. I see what you’re saying, sure ESL teachers or travel bloggers will leave, but you’re really talking about those who are more invested in China. I’ll be here for 2 years and when I first got here I thought, “I could stay for more than 2 years”, but now I don’t want to.
“Are Chinese people crybullies”, heck yes they cry to get anything they want. A woman cries, the man will give her anything.
Zac Vaughn, the Chinese don't want you to integrate. They believe that they are superior to you and they will keep at arm's length or further. You will find that as your Chinese gets better and better people with any degree of English will refuse to speak with you in Chinese. If you can find a genuine and loving partner though, that will really help with everything. If you have a genuine partner you will have a most loyal companion
You know ESL teachers get paid way more for just either being Caucasian or speaking English natively over many much much more qualified individuals who have worked and proven their merit in the workforce there? It’s natural for dissent to happen mate.
Yet the Chinese were stupid enough to go communist. There’s nothing more idiotic than embracing communism, which amounts only to equalized misery (except for the party elites.)
@@JeremiahAlphonsus What an asshole statement. Communism was imposed upon the Chinese. If you are going to troll at least use a bit of intelegance and class going about it. Stop talking out of your ass.
Run.
China is going back to its old ways in the 1970s and 80s. I know because I was there in the 70s and 80s.
America is going back to it's old ways 1920's style
@r464g That must have been an incredible experience.
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Good times for some (bad time to be Chinese in America) Your next depression is just around the corner so today is just like the 20's
@@CastorRabbit THat could be a good thing. Out of the depression came the worlds most powerful nation.
China never left their old ways they just played a game of bait and switch with the west. Now they've made western economies dependent on them and created real estate bubbles everywhere by having their citizens buy up property in the UK, Canada, Australia and the US they're about to slow their economy and bring the west to their knees.
Matt, I’ve been involved with bikes all my life as my grandparents were the founders and owners of a motor racing circuit (mainly motorcycles) here in Lincolnshire, England (up until the early 1980’s). As a baby I travelled on my mothers knee in my Dadda’s sidecar and when I was 5, I was gifted my first helmet so I could be his official pillion. He ALWAYS enforced wearing the proper gear. Helmets were so heavy in those days and my dad looked like an astronaut 👨🚀 in his! I was so proud and went everywhere with him. He made me wear gloves and protective gear as he would drum into my head what it was like to lose a lot of skin in an accident (he spent a lot of his childhood in the 1940’s and 50’s in hospital after coming off his childhood pedal bike, burning off his skin, riding like a bat out of hell on a local hill). I have in turn passed the “wear all the gear” message to my children who are all bikers and I even wear the kit when out on my road legal 800cc Quad ATV.
I see you aren’t just without gloves, but you’re wearing bloody shorts! Are you crazy man? You’re a husband and father and it’s therefore in your interests to keep yourself as protected as possible in Jeans with Kevlar, perhaps armour and an armoured jacket too. Gear is so much lighter in weight, and price than it used to be. Keep your skin covered or be prepared to lose it! You’re foolish to put yourself at risk, especially if you end up in an Asian hospital, your wounds would never stay clean and heal so wise up!
Word.
Except for Taiwan has some of the best hospitals and doctors in the world!
mrtaoroo Taiwan seems a lot better all round. It’d be great if the fellas took their whole operation and lives to Taiwan so we could learn about there. I’ve learned shit loads about China. I’ll never go there but it’s interesting . I’d be just as interested in learning the same about Taiwan. Whenever I see Prozzies vids, they seem to be about China even though he and Kristine have moved.
Frogzilla, valuable safety information but you are way off the topic.
@@billwilson6096 He's not really, there were several pop-up messages throughout the video asking viewers to give Matt hell for not wearing gloves.
I myself live and work in China (little insulted because I actually work for EF) and I'm in a long term relationship with a Chinese man. Everything you have discussed and pointed out I have seen or in some ways experienced, despite your generalization of being "an airhead ESL teacher". I came here with a real love, respect and drive to live here long term. I regularly have this discussion about what businesses can do to try to help foreigners feel more welcome and able to integrate into life here. Each month it becomes more difficult. I regularly encounter not being able to rent an apartment in my city or even stay in a hotel while traveling because I'm a foreigner. I've been struggling like many others have mentioned to send money home and my boyfriend and I have the discussion all the time about what we will do when our kids are old enough for school. Not all of us ESL teachers are young, dumb and clueless.
Unfortunately it's not just China that is changing , the political climate in most countries are being effected by mass imigration , changes in trade, social unrest , climate change and on and on . We are not living in the same world we did only 5-10 years ago , things are changing at a rapid rate and I fear wars are likely to come.
Sorry to sound negative but it's not looking good in the current way things are happening.
@meaturama There are some already and potential for others.
Seems that way, but wars require a level of unity and I don't think any of the western nations are sufficiently united within themselves. China is united. You could bomb them and take out their military infrastructure, but you wouldn't be able to occupy the country. An attempted occupation of China would make Vietnam look like a Sunday school picnic. Russia, despite its size, is similarly united. The west is a mess. Look at the triggered SJWs that remain a problem. The west is so divided within itself. I don't think either of these guys have given much thought to the kind of bigotry that their wives will be exposed to...
China doesn't really have mass immigration though does it? A good 90-95% of their population is Han / homogeneous Chinese ethnicities. With that in mind I don't see how you can blame immigration on China's rising xenophobia. I think the far east has always been xenophobic and they're sort of embracing the wave of it happening at the moment.
@meaturama There are currently wars (In Africa, big surprise), and fighting (ethnic fighting, for example Buddhists and Muslims in SE Asia) the world over.
@@redryan20000 I don't think China has particularly much mass immigration right now either, so I assume he's referring to other countries such as France, Germany and maybe even Australia.
It goes against the title of this video (Mass Exodus of Foreigners) anyway, so that's what I think!
However, I not sure whether the immigration rate into China of less developed countries (the Phillipines, Malaysia etc) has changed, so I'm not sure on that front
Loved my visit to Taiwan, beautiful country.
if you've read my previous comments on your channel, you'll know I was in Beijing for just over 9 years working in media. I left last year and I don't want to go back. things ARE changing. a "friend"...or who I really thought was a friend of mine has gone very anti-American in the last few years without ever telling me why. it started with "your country owes us a lot of money. why don't you guys have your own?" to "I'm a party member. I could burn you if I wanted". freaked me the hell out. now granted, one of my dearest friends there is a judge, and she has never acted strange to me. but last year, she did tell me something odd: "if you ever have any problems, you can always come to me". just little omens like that. I still have years left on my newest visa, but won't go back to work there. I might go for a week or so sometime to visit friends, but as far as business, I'm done. some weird undercurrent can definitely be felt.
on another note: my health has definitely suffered since I went to china. kidney stones, 4 cases of food poisoning (one requiring a brief hospital stay), high blood pressure that resolves in America ; the chemicals in the food and the air are also factors in my not going back.
Probably 4 cases of employees poisioning you. Glad you recovered.
You just don't understand China.
The Chinese have every reason to try to isolate themselves, to be distrustful of foreigners, and to just be paranoid cranky snippy jerks. First off, their government is starting to pinch the citizens very hard to control them through technology. Second off, they likely are very ill from all the cheap ass food that they make that people in other countries get sick from eating. Partially from bacteria from poorly treated human manure used in their farm fields but they actively poison food as well. They poison themselves first and foremost. Do you remember the poisoned nestle baby formula that killed babies in France and when looked into, it had killed many babies in other countries, but the most killed babies were in China itself? China is its own worst enemy, and knowing themselves so well and how bad that they are, why would they trust anybody else in any other country? And historically during great wars, the Japanese put the Chinese in concentration camps where they killed them with swords and then ate them. I would call that a good reason to distrust foreigners as well. So, don't take Chinese behaviors as a personal attack against you, it really isn't.
@@Skitdora2010 ...........I don't know where you got you're stories from, but the idea of the Japanese eating people is just so stupid ! At that time the Japanese had NO tradition to eat even animal meat, (if you talk to the old people they actually used to hate it physically) ...........let alone humans. Such a lot of BS, you sad person.
@@clarencebeeks1528 They are not fat enough. I mean super fat,more like american people fat.we don't just set them on fire,we use wick,so it can burn for days,even weeks.I belive american fat people will burning for months. save the energy,save the planet.
Just left China myself. Many reasons, but growing hostility towards foreigners and a worthless justice system are up there as to why
These guys make China look like an interesting adventure even though I know I shouldn't go.
Taiwan in this case
They are just talking bullshit. This exodus bs is an ongoing topic for years now. Fact is more and more foreigner are comming to china and also successfully creating companies. I personally know some of these guys.
@@toom2141 I don't know enough to agree or disgree with you
you'll be fine as a visitor. they said as much in recent videos. they're more talking about foreigners living in china with family and business ties.
@Joe Blow You're cool
Happy new year you beautiful people. Keep staying awesome
a lot of very wealthy Chinese people are leaving china as well. im glad the two of you found a life and love were you are...that being said, if you and c-milk leave china. china will have nothing to offer anyone as far as im concerned.
@Gary Oak You are wrongly informed. They have lived in US over a month! Check out their former videos!
Really? The Chinese are practically buying up Africa, building expensive infrastructure, giving away soft loans with ridiculous interest rates, etc. If you don't know about this, then you are either ill-informed or malicious.
@@ianshaw482 if by "soft loans" you mean debt traps, then I most sadly inform you that more and more country's are realising what a mistake that is
@@DarkLordOfSweden
Certain Western Click-bait news outlets: China is behaving like loan shark using tactics from "Confessions from an economic hit-man".
Certain Wumao click-bait news outlets: China is pulling their comrades out of under-development with low interest loans.
Truth is always somewhere in between.
I have been living in China for 20 years. I don't think the government's increasingly hostility towards foreigners is anything personal. CPC is not only getting increasingly hostile at foreigners, but at "different" things in general. Any idea that is different from "traditional values" or "socialism with chinese characteristic" are being supressed. Any people who are different, or having different ideas, are being discriminized.
This is the age of internet, age of information. An idea, a movement, can be spreaded from one city in one country to the whole world almost instantly. Like the yellow vest movement. This is making CPC more and more paranoid, they have shutdown basically all sources of information from outside world. They have created an alternate reality inside Chinese border. That's why almost all Chinese people haven't even heard of this movement. Actually, not just this movement, most Chinese don't even know what civil liberty means. And even this is not enough. CPC has also supressed any kind of conversation about anything "different" or potentially "different". Let me give you a quick example, on all the mainstream domestic social media websites, like "BiliBili"(Chinese TH-cam) or "Baidu Tieba"(Chinese Reddit), words like "自由"(Freedom), "民主"(Democracy), "习近平"(Xi Jinping), "解放军"(People's Liberation Army), "警察"(Police), are censored. And the list goes on. You type in these words and you only get ****. Now they have censored informations from outside, CPC is also trying their best to stop people at inside to talk about these "different" things as well. They're doing everything they can to shut people up. Because they're paranoid and scared. They know they're failing, people are stopping to believe in their lies. So they speed up their propoganda machine even more. As mentioned in this video, propoganda posters and slogans are everywhere. Shit, they even sticked a red poster next to my door couple of weeks ago. You get on a bus, the TV in the bus is usually playing propoganda about how wonderful Xi is. Go take subway, same propoganda on a different TV. Check local newspaper or news on phone, first and second headlines are, again, always about how wonderful Xi is.
All this really is pretty funny because the time when streets are clean, no red poster on my door, some actual news being broadcasted on TV was only a couple of years ago.
Man, this is getting scary.
Danny Yu yes it is scary in the end it is always the average or common people that suffers. The modern China is very similar to the ancient China when it comes to keeping its people ill-informed.
No offense, but if you come from a first world western country and you decided to invest part of your life, money and your family's future in an historically collectivist and totalitarian society with little regard for individual's freedoms, you've made a bad decision.
It has to be said that the same doesn't apply to Winston. South Africa isn't exactly first world anymore.
@@OwenGilmoreOG I know that's not Winston's case, but all the examples they gave and most people affected by those policies are from first world countries
Agree and I have little sympathy for such people, especially the mindless China boosters.
Truth
And.. let's be honest, a different ethnicity. China cares for Chinese only. You've made a big mistake to invest in someone else's ethnic tribe.
Totally agree, when the people who immigrate to China who have invested years of their lives into China are suddenly emigrating from China, you know something is wrong. In general, if people are leaving your country, you're doing something wrong. If people are lining up to come to your country, you know you're doing something right (or at least, you're doing something better than the countries around you).
A huge part recent years in China is that foreign-company-favored policies were gone gradually and trade war this year also stimulated the tension.
@@zhongxuanhou2727 China has never favored foreign companies. They welcome them, steal their technologies, then drive them out of business with lower prices. This tension has existed all the time on the Western side. China is only beginning to get a taste (a very small taste) of what they've done to the Western economies.
@@jeffreykalb9752 Western elites sold out their countries and working classes for a Chinese lie. No wonder the USA is on the verge of a USSR style collapse.
co-worker just lost his job... boss walked by and didn't mind the video, but then he noticed C-Milk had no gloves on.
RIP
(that's all on you, C-Milk...)
NSFW (Not Safe for Wriding)
Great vid! I’m an American living in Japan and I can say this country is super kind to us. Been here 27 years...
If i like your comment can i get a gift voucher
Can I ask you a question Peter?
@@kappadarwin9476 You just did Poindexter
Weeaboo!
@@suicasenpai do you get laid a lot there?
I've been living in China since, 2010, I've seen alot of changes, alot of good changes but the last 2 years I've seen many foreigners leave and go back home. The visa is much harder to get every time now, but that's only one reason, if you like China stay if you don't like leave, but it's changing fast for everyone, not always for the best. Good edcuation cost so much. That good be a big reason for those who have children. What I've said is in no way intended to offend.
Certainly better since the 80's and early 90's
@@alexandrasmith4393 oh yes I'm sure of that, but compared to when I first got here there are some big changes, much harder to open a standard bank account, harder to get most types of visa , must be a reason, but i think as long as you don't break any rules then it's ok, but a pain in the ass
Is it harder to work there as a foreigner if you're in the touristic sector?
@@JeezVince not sure about the tourist sector but it seems most things are getting harder, in the way much more paper work is needed etc
@@sammym2729 There *IS* a reason, and that reason is *XI JIN PING*
That asshole is killing China, just like Mao, his hero, did.
Id leave due to the social credit score. That sheit scary af. Communist dictatorship at it's best.
17:00 "There's a church, that's kinda cool" no Bibles no churches in China.... Communism!
I went to church in Beijing for Christmas @@BornAHawkEye
@@jakedee4117 you went to a Christian Church are you allowed to bring the Bible's that they banned? That's ridiculous stop lying!
@@jakedee4117 why are they killing Christians and putting Muslims in reeducation camps?
@@jakedee4117 do you know anyting about tactical mobile death squad vehicles which drive around China? Kill people on spot? Have you seen the way they have been brainwashed when you see someone get hit in the middle of the street and their neck is slit open bleeding profusely people just filming walking by not helping. That's communism. Nationalism teaches a nation and a love for one another in the nation not to walk by your fellow man with his legs chopped off like nothing's happening. Troll!
Each of your social credit score has been reduced by 500 points for offensive and derogatory hate speech against the social well being of China.
Have a nice day.
well, we are aiming for a high score maybe we can get a stack underflow :)
i guess you can adding back your score by paying $$
I'm in China now and am seriously thinking about leaving. Your discussion here is fascinating and helpful; I had no idea there was a trend of foreigners leaving and I'm very glad I stumbled on this video. I absorbed every word of what both of you said like a dry sponge. Aside from the content of your discussion, the format is superb: on bikes passing through beautiful countryside, excellent audio and visual combined. Sure beats sitting in a room without a view.
Taiwan or Republic Of China is the real China, who inherited the true Chinese culture, there is all freedom, human rights and traditional Chinese culture there. Not mainland China basically a son of Russian Socialist dictator. Hope you enjoy living in Taiwan.
Hey guys. I don't know how to contact you all. I just fund out on the radio here in Detroit that the US State department has issued a level two warning for U.S. citizens in China. They are strongly advising citizens not to travel to China and are advising citizens that are in China to leave China due to mass arrests of foreigners. The radio news story on Smile FM. went on to describe vaguely that even people who just arrived in China are being arrested at the airport and are being accused of being spies. The radio news clip said for citizens in China to contact the U.S. Embassy immediately. I was listening to this and I thought of you guys and your friends. So please contact the embassy. Even if you don't believe me behind that great firewall. Just do it. Call. You guys are awesome. Be safe. Please come home if they tell you to.
A fan,
Chad Jones
This is either the beginning of war or revolution. My money is on war.
This is serious, and should be heeded, but there are many countries on this level two status 'South Africa, Brazil, Spain, France, United Kingdom, India, Russia and many other nations' ... thepointsguy.com/news/us-state-department-issues-new-warning-on-travel-to-china/
oh, you smart fucker know to make up stories. do not believe such news when you didn't see it yourself, i can make up as much as you like
DUNCAN WIN it happened you buffoon
I have another equally crazy idea. How about we lose a presidential election and call the winner someone who colluded with Russia?
The US state department today issued a China travel warning for US citizens. China has implemented ‘exit bans’ preventing Americans from leaving ... It’s heating up.
Will the americans be used as shield?
Are you feeling excited?
@@JackyVSO You're weird!
@Jacques Pasquinel Your IQ level is amazing. Do you believe everything the U.S. government says?
Wonderful talk about humanity. Throughout Chinese histories, there were uncountable miseries and deaths. There were wars during the change of dynasties. They were done among the equals. Both sides used bows, arrows, swords, spears, the so-called cold weapons. Wars occurred, more often than not, because of the greed or folly of a group of people. They happened just like what you see in the savannahs among animal kingdoms, brutal and senseless. However, what happened in North America was something else, the plunder and murder committed by industrial societies on primitive agricultural societies, a concerted effort of ethnic cleansing, a genocide on an unprecedented scale. At least 30 million Indians were annihilated. They were not simple wars, but an aggression with wanton killing of millions of innocents in the name of religion. As if that was not enough, you portrayed them in your thousands of cowboy shows as barbaric, beasts that ought to be eradicated. In your history, you have been portraying Lincoln as a humane hero while you deliberately omitted the shipment of the Black to Haiti, leaving hundreds of thousands to perished there. You slaughtered millions of natives in South America because you wanted to exploit their resources. More recently, you engineered 911 so as to occupy Iraq. You just created a dubious accusation on Gaddafi so as to invade Libya. You created ISIS. Until today, millions of Arabs got killed, maimed, or became refugees. You have your cheek to preach humanity to the world. What a cheek! What an irony! Admittedly, your Marshal Plan was good but it was done to counter the influence of Soviet Unions, not out of kindness. You did not do the same to the Dark Continent of Africa, DySfunctional Pakistan, the Asia Minor, useless Myanmar. For the past one century, their infrastructure was in tattered or non-existing, but nobody cared. When China comes in to do all these, you are unhappy so you come up with all sorts of nonsense to malign it. That is what you are good at. Your forebears once said this: You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time but you can't fool all the people all the time. I think I must be out of my mind to tell you all this for you must have known all these all along.
I love the editing of these videos.
I really enjoy your guys conversations... I lived in china about 10 years ago. I had a small manufacturing businesses and loved my time there but I'm glad I didn't stay.... I really feel sorry for the people who invested everything they had to make a life in China.
isn't it just as bad to ride in shorts than to ride without gloves? I don't ride, but isn't the idea that you prepare to fall off?
C-Milk can be a stubborn idiot sometimes. He drives without wearing a seatbelt, too. I feel sorry for Vivi and Olivia, mainly.
Agree. Riding in shorts is very foolish. It's one thing if you're single, but when you have a family you need to think of them.
The bike is only 125 cc he can't get hurt
Maria Schick haha! Right, that means the safest ride is a bicycle 😊
@@hcwcars1 my friend fell off a 50cc mini bike and got terrific road rash. (I think you were kidding though? If yes then, "ha ha.")
March 2018, I lost a court battle in Beijing between my former Chinese business partners and I. Upon exiting the company, I didn't walk away empty handed but my former business partners made it difficult for me to establish another business in the same industry with threats of legal action etc... I exited China on Christmas Eve on a permanent basis. On Christmas Day the majority of my former business competitors received a present consisting of all the data files from my former business. STALEMATE.
I don't feel sorry for you as you went to china to exploit cheap labor and pocket the difference
@@bapluda don't such a moron because you don't know the in's and out's nor what the concept was all about so don't jump to conclusions without facts and for information the labor was conducted by myself...
@ not to reply to comments from members of the 50 cent army
Here in Guangzhou, I can report there has been a decrease in the number of western foreigners (USA, Canada, Australia, etc.) However, I have noticed there appears to be an increase in the number of Russians coming into Guangzhou and Guangdong province. Not sure what's going on with that.
I've seen it too and the reason is Geo-political. The Russia-China-Central Asia axis must be kept strong.
Yep I live in Guangzhou and also noticed many Russian flooding here,being curious
Ppl come and leave. It's dynamic.
Trump complained about China and business practices for a decade before he was president, you can see the videos on youtube, a coffee shop with his name in Macau, piss off a billionaire and he might get even.@Albert Lima Lima
China and Russia are allies, with what's approaching it makes perfect sense they would be inviting Russians in and making western foreigners feel unwelcome.
Great vid with tremendous importance. Time to go boys. Time to go.
The situation in china must have really changed these last few years. It's not just you but everyone whose talking differently about it nowadays.
As a Western foreigner in China, I am also seriously considering doing this very soon. Shandong is horrible: 鸟不拉屎的破地方.
l Ieft Jilin a year and a half ago.
Jason Haradyn lm leaving in three weeks too.Been here five years ✊✊
@Jim Kirk The air can kill you long-term. Some of the worst pollution levels in China. Usually around 200 to 300, but some days it can exceed 500.
You sure learned some colorful Chinese!
@@r64g Hahaha, thanks. I'm pretty fluent now.
Guys, information like this is very useful to get a feel for the bigger picture of what's going on. It's this kind of detail that helps people to understand what's actually going on. The big news of international trade and aggressive posturing in the South China Sea make more sense with the details you provide. China is pretty obviously regressing back towards a form of isolationism. Goods out, money in, and expanding their influence on their terms. The very imperialism the party hates and routinely accuses Western governments of doing. I think you're dead right about them feeling they don't need anything (but money) from the West any more. I would be willing to bet that they'll still accept tourists and ESL teachers, although it wouldn't surprise me to see them push their own people to become qualified to teach English. Maybe through using the Confucius Institutes like "missionary" work. Send people to various sites until they become highly proficient in English and other languages, and then bring them home to teach. You lads need to get the hell out of there. Very sad, really...
Yeah, the TH-cam channel Asian Boss did a video on the South Chine sea conflict, asking the Philippines what they thought of it. It was really interesting, I highly recommend it.
They want China for the Chinese. The West is not entitled to own China, like they own the rest of the world. *The West wants to CONTROL EVERYTHING. Get out, and STAY OUT!*
@@kevinlemont5709 China now presents every impression of wanting to own and control the rest of the world. Who is "the West?" The United Nations, of which China is a member, is working on the New World Order and total and complete Globalism, with them in control.
@@GradyGillis not really. China defies UN resolutions all the time. They are asserting themselves, and the west doesn't like it. People should just stay in there own countries as opposed to telling others what we ought to do. This is why so many wars are started in the first place.
Isolationism is regressive? Huh?
I’m concerned about the future of Hong Kong... will it be as friendly to foreigners 10 years. From now?
No
Paul Kiely definitely not
I wouldn't count on it.
100% no
@Zxsb yeah he is a real idiot
I've been in and out of China over the past ten years, and lived there a cumulative total of five years over the last decade. I recently moved back to the US from China after spending 3 years in IT there. And everything you talked about, I experienced for sure. As a foreigner, I could totally sense the changes occurring over there.
I lived in US before. I used to have a greencard. US is a good country, the people in USA are nice, but *NOT* the government.
I am out of USA for good because I turned down 'an offer I can't afford to turn down' --- to become a spy for Uncle Sam in China.
Because I said 'no\ to that offer, they (the gov of USA) made my life hell --- I got fired for no reason, can't find any other job (because of black-listed from high-up) and constant harassment from various agencies like IRS and whatnots.
I got the message, so I moved out.
Bukan Buta that is not how recruitment works
in 2012 in southern china, Yang chun city, I knew things was getting strange when I was 2 stories up in a apartment building just taking photos of street life and suddenly people gathered down at the street. and I heard them say, that foreigner is taking photos. they really got pissed. but I was just taking photos of the street market and just daily life in the streets. I was no where near any government offices. but yet the place is covered in police cameras on every corner. I only ever registered 1 time while there, and that was at a hotel, I had been at other hotels and never registered, and they never asked for my passport, but I kinda sneak in and had my Chinese wife pay the fee, she knew once they saw me the price was going up, so we played a little game with them each time we had to go get documents in another city.
@@bukanbuta7401 Sorry Chang, but that story is about as believable as the flat earth theory. You CCP shills need to up your game.
@@ronj9448 Are you from the CIA? If no, how can you know how they do the recruitment?
I was first approached back when I was still studying in the university. I told them I need to finish my study first.
Several years later, after I graduated and got a job (and a Green card, courtesy of the firm that employed me, they were the ones who paid an immigration lawyer to obtain a Green Card for me) and got several promotion, them spooks approached me, again.
I told my boss about it, and my boss (through his boss) approached the government and got a 'stay' because they needed me to help out in a project related to a missile guidance system.
After that project has ended, I moved to California to join another company (previously I was staying in Texas), also defense related. I was doing well there, and them spooks approached me again, and this time I was planning to start a family, so I turned down their offer.
What came next was hell. I got fired. My security clearance was revoked. I couldn't get any job in the industry --- totally blacklisted, and governmental agencies were giving me non-stop harassment.
I got their point, so I left everything and went back to the shithole country which I am from, Malaysia.
And no, I did not marry my girlfriend, a sweet American girl whom I loved.
Up until 2016, you needed a Foreign Expert Certificate to work in China. These were issued by SAFEA. This was a pretty laid back group. The name on my diploma was misspelled at that time, but SAFEA never noticed. These days, expats need a work permit from the labor office. The labor office makes trouble about every piece of paperwork submitted. Applications can get rejected for ridiculous reasons.
"Agree with China" (17:30) is an interesting phrase. Aside from expats themselves, it's hard to find anyone who admits that something is happening. I can find no explanation for the work visa crackdown in the media. The shiny new work permit system is presented as if it was China's latest service to help out foreigners.
Long live Tiki Tom. Thanks for the great and highly amusing content gentlemen
Ron Dean
Tiki Tahm*
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Here we are a little more than a year later. How do you feel about what they said now? Been a fan for a few years, they were way ahead of the curve. Thanks for the insights, guys. Hard to see what’s happening in China truthfully through western eyes - you guys are criminally underrated.
I ALWAYS go to you guys for the inside scoop of what's going on in China. Because I hear politics all the time. I like to hear what's true or not true. And even though I enjoy getting inside information from you two I long to see the day when you get to live and speak totally and completely free. Good video guys.
You guys are spot on. Over here in North America the climate has changed toward China. Politically, every one has had enough of their bullshit trade inbalance, and one way trade only benefitting their companies and society. Its a slow process, but the sentiment is spreading and not looking good for future relations. Canadians are at this point are insane to be in China, if that Huawei executive in extradited to the US, Canadians could be rounded up and kicked out
Kicked out we can live with but arbitrarily detaining our citizens is going to unleash a backlash in Canada that China will regret. There is a lot of Chinese money and real estate in Canada that can be seized to put pressure on high ranking Chinese businessmen to make changes at the top in Chinese politics.
Hahaha...yeh trade with China has only benefited China, I guess you forget about your $200 flat screen tv's and cheap computers when it's convenient hey.
@@Thyalwaysseek i dont care about cheap shit, I care about my community and country and western values. Its our mistake for letting them have anything, we should have let Japan have them. They arent even greatful for saving their ass!
I agree with you, everything China produces is garbage but your ire should be directed at the government who sold off all our manufacturing industries to them instead of providing incentives for them to stay. The fact is though you and I don't care about their cheap shit the majority of people love going to Walmart and buying it.
Certain aspects of the Chinese future can be extrapolated. They have vast, quite incredible debt at many levels. The central government has been pushing provinces for economic growth. They have been taking the low hanging fruit and building tens of thousands of (poor quality) apartments which are empty. A small trigger will initiate the utter collapse of the construction industry as investment evaporates. Practically overnight this will spike massive unemployment and hardship. This will be difficult to hide from the people. As the CCP can do no wrong they will simply blame all of their problems on foreigners and foreign governments. What we are seeing now is just scene setting for preparing their society for this fresh level of hate. History tells us that such steps are precursors to war by governments that have little room to move, like Thatcher and Argentina. Tourists who want to see China should move soon, as the door is gradually closing again.
Yes but China sits on plenty of strategic minerals.
YJ0AUF China the sleeping giant that has just awoken, will not be perishing away faster than America will. keep in mind it’s 3000+ year history
@@cesteres Meh, i doubt that will be a problem. If they decide to hoard it. Then that means a cold war. Look at what Western society achieved in that period with space technology. I think would accelerate things like space mining, which would make them completely irrelevant.
@@kotodamamidnight412 Yes yes you will. Everyone hates them. Which means they will be fighting everyone. I think I know who will be annihilated.
Ok @@kotodamamidnight412, that ''Sleeping Giant' stuff ' is just vacuous rhetoric, while references to the USA is irrelevant diversion to the topic at hand.
If you have strategies, knowledge and trend analysis that may contribute to the conversation, then wheel it out and let's have a look at it. To quote 'Sir' Michael Palin, "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says." I think you may have to pay for another five minutes...