GET OUT! - Foreigners Being Kicked Out of China
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Foreigners are leaving en masse, and also being forced out by new policies of the Chinese government, which is only promoting xenophobia and nationalism.
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Umm... Aren't they going to have a population collapse soon? Don't they have 300 million angry single Chinese Men who want to get married? Don't they want immigration to help with those social issues?
Looks like C-Milks 3rd concern is correct.
Go F-ing figure.
@@China_Secret_Police
If Xi wants these hands, he can get it like Walking Street in Pattaya.
@@Will_Smith_Slapping_Xi_Jinping
How about giving him a job at the White Tiger?
@@David_Lo_Pan
More like Orchid Towers. Featuring a Xi Xi dance in Galang.
👍I live in China for over 20 Years.. Left China for good 2019.. I have to tell, that all what you Guys say about China is 100% true!!!
Thank you for speaking your experience.
Knowing about a situation is the start to dealing with a situation
Truth 💪
I likewise spent a considerable period of time in China (15 years) and like you I left for good in 2019. Overall I had a great time in China but what the guys say about long term foreign residents of China been treated as if they just got off the boat (or airplane) is so true. China makes it very difficult for foreigners to make long term plans to live there and then the general rule is that once you turn sixty they kick you out irrespective of your contribution to Chinese society. The exceptions to staying beyond sixty are honored more in the breech than in the observance and when granted are due more to guanxi than the exemptions permitting foreigners to stay after sixty.
@@uwanttono4012 What a Coincidence ! ! !
my friend had lived in China for almost 20 years , and Also left in 2019 because He couldn't renew his visa . I knew then that foreigners were being slowly expelled from China .
As a Chinese , I vouch for SerpentZA and LaoWhy that They are speaking the Truth
and I totally agree with what They're saying
I agree! I haven't been there that long but long enough to see what's up
@@dongshengdi773 10 years and I agree. Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia...less money but less mafan!
Oh and a fun little story that happened to me a few days ago. I take my son to and from school by bike every day. Everywhere you go in the city that I'm in, they check your health codes and travel codes (as foreigners in China well know by now). This also applies to the communities that you live in. I took my boy to school the other morning and upon making it back to the entrance to the community I reside in, there was a female security guard at the gate who allowed 7-8 locals to enter without checking their codes. I proceeded to ride my bike through the gate, assuming the gate guard was just being lazy and not checking codes that morning (most definitely the reason). She decided to step out in front of my bike and demand to see my codes. I asked her why she needed to see my code despite not checking the group of people that entered before me. She laughed and said “应为他们是人，你是外国人” ("Because they are people/human, you are a foreigner"). When I starting speaking Chinese back to her in an attempt to understand why she would say something like that, she simply acted confused and pretended that she didn't say that and I misunderstood her. My wife and I reported her and got a knock at the door later that morning. Turned out to be the person in charge of managing the security personnel in the nearby communities (ours included). I assumed he was going to address the issue and help us out, but instead he started blaming and criticizing me for questioning her and not showing her my code. It was at that moment that I realized it was time to start planning our departure. That rude comment from the guard will stick with me for a while, and I think it perfectly incapsulates current Chinese sentiment towards foreigners. We're still here for another half-year or so, but I'm ready to get out of here ASAP.
I have no doubt it will be getting much worse as conflicts between China and the west grows stronger. Getting out is probably the safest move at this point.
Remember well that day. You are no human to them...
Good luck and safe return
Leave while you can
Never thought I'd say this but maybe you should go back to your country if they don't want you there it could become unsafe for you and your family
I'm one of those foreigners that stayed in China, almost everything you're saying is true. However, many of us that are still here are absolutely not shills for the CCP, and I definitely don't hope that you guys stop telling the truth. Thank you for being the voice of those of us who aren't able to speak our voice without fear of retaliation.
I'm only here for work, I'm hoping I can get transferred back to the United States soon. I've been in China since 2010, it will be hard to leave a place that I fell in love with, but it's definitely time.
Many things about the US suck though... suburbs were built by lobbying by koch brothers to make people car dependent and use oil with residential areas and business areas far away, its hard to maintain friends b/c of how many of the suburbs are built, the health costs are insane, there is no flexibility around laws like in China, the cost of living is high and getting higher, US spends a lot of its spending on the military.
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@@steeevo0136 Hilarious, original and truthful.
I'll bet that USA is happy too.
@@scintillam_dei Are you for real? I would never renounce my freedom as a westerner for what is happening in China now. I'm in Australia, I left China mid March. You don't feel the anti-foreigner sentiment? I would be glad to return to the U.S. China is not the place to be now, re-evaluate what is priority, money and possibly jail, or Freedom the U.S and the West.
I left China last week after twenty years there. The airport was like something out of the apocalypse. My flight was the only flight on the board, and the regulations for getting out were so stringent that the flight was delayed for hours. It was the same for my family this week, and the same yesterday for my friends who were expelled after 30 years there. I love the Chinese people and much of my family is Chinese. It’s truly heartbreaking to see the tremendous harm these governmental changes are bringing about. The China I lived in and loved for so long is no more.
Oh so sad to read your testimony - and damned scary. This type of thinking is definitely pumping people up to go to war with the West... Just like pre-War Germany did. Fascism is abroad again in both China and Russia, god help us all.
Twenty years !!!! So should be so difficult to leave after all this period that is sad
@@asouma231 yes, so difficult. It was home.
so true... I miss that China...
I sympathize with your plight for I too had to leave after living there for 15 glorious years!! Never mind what (little) contribution, taxes paid and family connections I made to the country. It's a shame that the government's policies are so short sighted, To paraphrase WB Yeats, "romantic China is dead and gone; it's with XJP in the grave".
I traveled all over China in 2010 and loved it because I saw the glimmer of growth and hope. I was finally able to move there in 2016 and left in 2021. I felt a really swift decline in 2018 when the term limits were removed and by the time I left, Grandparents were telling their grandchildren to hold their breath and cross to the other side of the street to stay away from the foreigners. I still have coworkers there buried in toxic positivity or oblivious as to what actually going on. I cannot express how grateful I am to have you guys speaking the truth, keep waking people up!
You wouldn't realize how toxic and evil China is until you've lived there for at least 5 years.
When I read this I thought if they "kicked out" all the foreigners who would they blame for whatever they wish to place blame upon.
Good to see you were able to leave in 2021. I'm Chinese myself. When "The Great Firewall" was imposed across China around 2006, I already had a feeling that something wasn't right. I left China in 2010, and you're right, 2018 was the benchmark for many. The Chinese constitution amendment allowed us to see Xi's true color eventually, and the disastrous fate of China in the future.
Dude is xenophobic xenophobia in China really that bad, I got my Japanese to n2 around 2015 and I noticed insane amounts of xenophobia from the Japanese, and I had Chinese simply offer to teach me Chinese, and I noticed Chinese were much warmer and easier to talk to so I decided to stop learning Japanese and learn Chinese. Lately I notice the Chinese seem more xenophobic than before, although Japanese still seem colder and getting colder. If I learn Malay or Vietnamese they will start to get cold as soon as my linguistic abilities improve, hmm. Maybe I can live in a cheap area with tons of Chinese like Malaysia or Latinamerica...
@@aoeu256 This is my understanding as well from listening to these channels, many people have no understanding of this
Can confirm.
I'll be out in a few weeks.
I'm holding good thoughts, congrats.
Better hurry, or you might be navigating the the boarder of Vietnam to escape.
I lived and worked in China from 2003 to 2019 starting in language schools then onto Universities. My last contact and visa was valid until July 2020 when i would be then turning 61 years old. However, in May 2019, the authorities turned up and told the College that as I was turning 60 at the end of the month, they could no longer employ me and I had to leave the country within 3 days of the notice.....Shock to the System and a frantic 72 hours. .I was escorted to the Airport by College police to make sure I left on my flight back to Australia....but in hindsight, how lucky was |....now happily living in Uruguay...
They made you leave in 3 days!??? You are legally entitled a 30-days "humanitarian" visa! Bastards!
Thinking back, it is probably during the time when China-Aussie relationship is going down-under (pardon the pun). They probably wanna boot any Aussie they can lay their hands on, thinking it will pressure the Australian Government if its people are chased out of their jobs in China.
Hi There...What is happening/ what are you doing in Uruguay?
@@everydayisabadday Hi Andrew, Im so sorry to hear of your bad experiences which has left you with this opinion...I started with the ESL gigs and worked my way into University specialising in IELTS and conducting British Council testing and over the final 5 years I was earning around $4000 USD a month after taxes including return airfares once a year, 12 weeks holidays, medical coverage, accommodation....thus my longer stay as to answer your WTF.....and now able to live comfortably retired in the most liberal country in the world while you pollute the earth....whos the bonehead...
How is it in Uruguay? Is it a good market for international schools and university education in general?
I think South America is a wise choice to emigrate to in light of recent geopolitical developments. In case s**t really hits the fan.
as a foreigner in America I can say people here don't know how lucky they are
There are many of us who remained in China because the money was good and we were comfortable with our lifestyles. After the pandemic, the mood shifted. The foreign population significantly decreased resulting in less foreign business and less communities for foreigners. During the lock downs, many business were treating their foreigners like crap. Yes there were lock downs, but many school/companies were telling foreigners not to leave their campus or making the foreigners' lives hell if they tried to leave their cities or community. Local business were acting like foreigners had the plague and treated foreigners like they were carriers of COVID. I know many people who been in China for 10 plus years that leaving because it has become too much. Unfortunately, I reached my limit too. I am leaving as soon as I can.
I’m still here. I’m in Jiangsu, and I’m in the same boat. But, I’m helping family financially, so I can’t bounce.
To be honest, I’m just tired. Days all feel the same. I can’t smile anymore. I just want to be happy…
Get out before the CCP find a reason/make up a crime and lock you up.
Hurry up and bugger off
@@CrimsonMenace1 If you read his post carefully, he （onewhoisanonymous
17 hours ago） is unhappy because he is not allowed to leave the city during the lockdown. I also noticed foreigners complain that they cannot receive their online-ordered Blueberries.
@@CrimsonMenace1 I am curious since you are in China you still have free access to TH-cam my friend!?
When the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade was bombed my friends knew I had absolutely nothing to do with it, yet they blamed me and treated my badly for months. These were people I had taken to meals and treated kindly. It only took a day and local news from the government to make them turn on me. The Xenophobia runs deep.
That was your first lesson in human nature. I don't think you've learned much. The western civilisation was/is the most welcoming society ever created. Hope that changes soon.
@@ms-jl6dl - How would you know what I've learned?
@@ms-jl6dl I hope it changes too, but im afraid its already too late, we have been flooded by muslims, and like ghadaffi said " we will conquer you with baby strollers"
@@ms-jl6dl You're right but we have too many liberals. China isn't wrong to push ethno nationalism. The West should basically do the same. All people should.
And we know if the Chinese bombed an American Embassy in a' freak accident' killing the people in there. It would hardly hit the news in America, and America would be fine and unthreatening about it.
As a former teacher employed in China, I can tell you the money to be made there was amazing. It's changing now because now foreign teachers have to pay tax etc. The days of living the high life in China for foreign teachers is over.
Tax is duty in every country, and language skill is must, but too much language teacher now in China, lower salary is reasonable.
Do you not have to pay taxes in your own country?
@@adaada4523 Yes, but you only FILE taxes in America.. If your income is ONLY from China then you don't OWE/PAY any taxes in America on Chinese income.
Hi guys. Long time viewer, first time commentor. I taught ESL in a smaller city in Hubei (and one year in Wuhan) from 2004 to 2013. Met my (future) wife on an overnight train from Xi'an, had our first child there. I was warmly welcomed into my wife's family, and was eager to experience everything the Chinese culture had to offer. For the first few years things were really great, we were treated like minor celebrities (at least in our town). Lots of requests for private tutoring, having the DJs at the local clubs give us shout outs when we arrived, lots of preferential treatment for sure. The local PSB would throw Christmas Galas for all us foreigners (maybe 50 of us the first few years). Even did a bit of the White Monkey stuff too. But the "mood" definitely began to change, maybe around the Olympics or shortly after. It was subtle at first, hard to put a finger on, but it seemed as time went on I felt less and less welcome. I've returned twice since to visit the in-laws, but its not the same place I travelled to in 2004. I'm glad we left when we did, but it still makes me sad.
Keep up the good work and take care!
Unfortunately, the PRC is slowly but surely becoming a typical paranoid, closed-borders marxist-leninist state which has to blame outside forces and foreigners for its own shortcomings to ensure political survival. I hope I am wrong but the writing is there on the wall.
You had your first child on an overnight train? Quite a story 😯
What happened was Xi and a campaign of hostile nationalism.
@@GUITARTIME2024 Trump and Joe did something to China beforehand, you started feel bad after rebounding.
Sounds like Germany 1933
When HK was being handed over to the Mainland, there were some 24,000 people who had no clear ancestry/nationality other than HK and who were not Chinese. The Chinese refused to give them citizenship in China because they didn't have Chinese ancestry. Finally, the UK relented and gave them UK citizenship.
China is an ethnostate. Not only do they not grant citizenship to those who are not of Chinese ancestry, other ethnicities -- like the Manchus, the Southern Mongolians, the Tibetans and the Turkic speaking peoples of Eastern Turkmenistan get genocided. It has been this way for many, many centuries.
That only happened since Nanking Government (1928-
Hey, what a coincidence.. Russia is like that too. They're both empires where the ethnic majority has used force to expand their borders and incorporate vast lands full of involuntary subjects. Tibet, Siberia, etc.
@@Markus451 No, not at all. Russia is not like that. Russia is a multi-ethnic Empire. Always has been. Now, there are of course conflicts between different groups, and they come into and out of imperial favour (not to mention rivalries between them), so if you take a snapshot at any one time, it may seem like this side or that side is getting the better end of the deal.
But it is not comparable to China's Mono-ethnicism. Much of the "soul" of the Russian state has rested, historically, on the concept of it being "the new Rome" and there's a civilizational responsibility tied to Christianity.
A good case study in recent times which highlights the contrasts between the Russian and Chinese lies in Mongolia, which was split. The Chinese side got genocided. The Russian side had their culture respected and to a certain degree nurtured. Yes, it got dragged into modernity kicking and screaming, and the Russians were not always that kind to it, but it did survive and continues to thrive; whereas in China it was hounded out of existence and into the underground.
When I was first in China, I remember feeling a positive vibe coming from the Chinese people. I made friends and had some wonderful experiences. When I came back in 2014, I noticed that things seemed to require much more effort. I was told that foreigners were being moved out of China then. If China is an ethnic state, then that explains the plight of the Uighurs and the Tibetans. However, the Manchus seemed to have fewer problems. What I read was that many years ago, even before the 20th century, the Manchus had lost their native language, and that the only noticeable sign was that theyspoke very standard Chinese without any regional slang. Those living nearest to Beijing did not use "Beijinghua," and had no trace of "erhuaying," (putting an r at the end of every other word, as Beijingers do).
@@johnr9763 Mandarin is Manchurian accent of Chinese
Can't tell you how much I miss that intro tune and miss the adventures. I'm sure you guys feel the same
Well, If you hear it every week by watching the podcasts, you don't miss it, you love it :D
I don't miss it.
*WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES JUST FOR A MINUTE... I CAN SEE LOADS OF FOREIGNERS GETTING BOOTED OUTON THEIR ASS BY THE CEE CEE PEE, I REMEMBER THE WARNINGS AND ALL THE FOREIGNERS THAT IGNORED THEM...*
They should switch to ADVAsia and go tour Taiwan and the south Asian countries. Maybe Japan.
Song sucks
I’m a Chinese living in China. I totally agree with your point. Actually some Chinese already know these Kind of impacts such as injustice and no freedom living in here. But nothing we can do. The government filtered all negative news from public as always. We can’t see what’s really going on in our country our city our community. Which is really crazy. If we as a Chinese saying something bad of our government, we might go to jail. That’s the reason why I m learning foreign language prepare to immigrate to another country.
Help your country to learn about justice while you are there still.
Please be careful.
Stay in your country dont be a coward
Come to the USA, we need good people like you! But, of course you can go whereever you want.
Much luck
Been living in China for over a decade, and untill recently I was dead set on getting a local medical license to practice TCM here, but these last couple of years man.... Long story short, soon as I get my diploma I'm out, and sadly I may never come back. Which breaks my heart in a way because I love this country and its people, it's just the leadership I can't stand.
The United States and Europe are besieging China around the world, a Why do you think China still needs to be kind to you? Respect is mutual, and friendliness is also mutual. You are ridiculous.
@@adaada4523 Greetings new Wumao account, your English is better than the last one! Still surprised your masters allow you on here, don't you know accessing TH-cam is a Crime Against the People? =D
Also: The CCP rapes and murders its own people, why do you think I need to respect them? You're a hypocrite.
Shut up ada ada CCP shill
Interesting timing of this video, considering that another youtube channel I frequently watch called Chinese Cooking Demystified just announced they were leaving China as well. They mainly mentioned the quarantine and difficulties in traveling back to America to visit family so chose to move to Bangkok instead, but I also wondered what wasn't being said as they try very hard to stick entirely to cooking topics and the wife's family all still live in China.
it's a little suspicious, isn't it... I wish them luck either way. maybe end up in Taiwan if things don't get better?
Yea and even the shills like Jayoe nation has left and Barrett is leaving.
Yeah I got the same vibe. The reason he gave for leaving wasn't the full story. Obviously he couldn't be entirely truthful for obvious reasons.
I saw that announcement this week and thought there was no way he would even insinuate anything else as his reasons for fear having him or his family exit banned. Wish him and his family luck in getting out.
Other countries should threat Chinese the same way
Spent 11 years living in Shanghai. Of the 25 close friends I made, one is left there. I left 3 years ago. Unless you are Chinese you have..no future... In China
If you are Chinese, you also have no future in China …
A very racist country
Even if you are Chinese you have no future, hence the explosion of applications for the already limited civil service jobs. COVID lockdowns are coming at the worst time as a surge of college graduates enter the workforce right after XJP cracked down on tech firms, real estate, after-school tutoring, and foreigners (tourism) which absorbed a lot of those new hires.
Darn! I really wanted to go to a country run by an evil dictator who will throw me in jail at any random time for no reason! Such a loss!
I lived in China from 2017 till 2021. Left the country just in time. It's getting worse. These guys speak the truth.
One of my expat friends in China has been locked up for 32 days. He has had 64 C19 tests, all negative. He cannot leave his apartment, lives alone, and they make him test twice per day.
It is clear they are waiting for the first false positive to send him packing, he thinks. Since he is foreign-government connected, he is treated a bit differently.
I'd be surprised if they hadn't already planted or faked one by now if that's the case.
And this is how they are treating someone who is "foreign-government connected" ? As in VIP status ? Damn, makes you wonder how bad it is for those further down the food chain.
Could be a diplomat working at the consulate, which if you know about the Vienna Conventions, multiple embassies have complained to the Chinese government those diplomatic immunities that are legally guaranteed (and are still granted to the Chinese diplomats abroad) are being violated... starting with the PCR tests -- host government officials must not enter the bodies, residences, cars, and offices without permission of the diplomat's ministry.
So if those with diplomatic credentials are being violated so readily, yeah imagine how it must be as regular folk who are not publicly aligned with the Party.
@@doujinflip PRC has zero respect for any conventions and laws at all, as everything is done either through discretionary measures (connections and trust) or arbitrary ones (coercion and dictat). It's worse than Soviet Union in a broad sense since the latter one was the product of Western ideology and European great power system and as such it respected treaties and contracts. In People's Republic you don't have that and now it's going into legalist direction which is further exacerbating violations of all sorts. Power is the ultimate arbiter of any conflicts in that environment which necessarily nullifies any treaties it might be part to unless there is a power differential in favor of the counterpart.
One of My friend In beijing do quarantine even.shes negative because shes foriegners and She been To a local stored thats has positive person So they get her rush i just don understand 20 days quarantine and Shes negative Like why they need To do that...
The first time I watch this channel was to see what life was like in China for the man on the street. Years ago it was the white monkey video I think. I was just curious. Thanks for all the great pieces over the years. Good luck and keep up the good work boys.
Thanks, Guys. I lived in Shenzhen and Guangzhou from 2010 - to 2012. Probably the peak time for a laowai to be in China. Always enjoy your insight and peeling back the layers of the onion.
Both your channels are. Thx for getting together for this one!
Fascinating and enlightening.
Left Shanghai in 2014 when it was still good. Hopped back to Japan and have watched the slow decline for foreigners of China since then. Japan even with it's crazy work culture, low wages that haven't changed since like 30 yrs ago, it still is quite peaceful, allows for permanent residency, work permits, etc.
Don’t live in Tokyo and you’re good lel
Food shortages coming
@@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263 Most foreigners in Japan live in Tokyo. The costs of living are completely manageable for most people as long as you reside outside of central Tokyo.
Crazy work culture: Problematic mostly in specific sectors but certainly exaggerated by foreigners. If you're one of those types who think that the majority of full time employees are working 60-80 hour weeks then you need a reality check.
Low wages: Japan has an average per capita income of $40,360. Higher than that of France or the U.K. and within spitting distance of countries such as Canada, Israel, and New Zealand. So going by that data, "low wages" is a matter of perspective and is a useless metric by itself anyways. Cost of living needs to taken into consideration as well and if you stay out the most expensive residential areas and control your spending then that should be more than feasible. Of course, inflation is affecting everyone around the world right now so some have to be extra considerate with their expenses. Btw, what is your source on 30 years of stagnant wages? I'll have to look into this some other time but I wouldn't be surprised if several European nations and North America have had years to decades of their own stagnant wages.
And yes, it is quite peaceful here. In fact, that is an understatement considering how Japan is consistently in the top ranks of safest countries in the world. A far cry from America, that's for sure.
@@asianbeowulf4276 As someone who has lived in Japan for more than 30 years, I will say that from my perspective wages have not gone up so much during that time, although some prefectures have raised the minimum wage. However, the cost of living has not increased so much, either. I'm seeing a bit of inflation, but mostly with gasoline. My food and utility expenses have remained relatively stable, although they recently raised the price of one of my favorite snacks-- Umai-bo-- from 10 yen to 12 yen, the first price increase since 1979!
Yeah, I noticed the change and I was completely removed from the expat scene and didn't follow any news. It was around when Xi came into power. It started off as nationalism, and very quickly influenced those with an inferiority complex. It was now acceptable to complain and whine about foreigners. That bled into all aspects of life through people in positions of power (teachers, business owners etc.)
I guess the easiest way to describe the change was people stopped being friendly (though not hostile).
We were a welcomed a guest; a symbol of positive change.
Then a marker in the road. Tolerated, but only because it had a use.
Next, the nuisance. Patience had started to run out, and you were (still are) expected to behave way better than the locals themselves just to keep your head down.
Now we're the enemy. Heh
Absolutely fascinating. Thanks gents for the insight and thoughts. Great stuff!!!
Hey guys, Thanks for the good job, as a foreigner who lived there 12 years and left on 2015 I speak. the work permit limit is right at 60! my friend after 40 years leaving in China was forced to marry his employee for stay in China after 60!!!
I first went to China in 2014, I found life in Shanghai phenomenal. Returned for a masters program from 2015-2017, best time of my life. Right around the end of 2017, I felt a very strong, undeniable sea change, a sense that it would be unwise to stay and cement my career there any longer. A random thing happened when my landlord asked me to move out as the owner of the apartment had to move back in. Relieved that I had an official reason I left. Two weeks later was 2018 and the rest is history. 2014-2017 Shanghai was an amazing time.
A landlord kicked me out of my place in the Beijing CBD in 2010 claiming he was getting more money renting to other foreigners. Chinese think foreigners are made of money, otherwise how would you make it to China?
i got locked out in march 2020 after several years living in shanghai and it was a gift from god. lol
I lived in the northeast in Fushun city for 7 years, from 2009-2016, and I loved every second of it. I see your videos and I remember the sights, smells, difference in culture, the fun chaos, and friendly people! I have several foreigner friends that are now moving out, because they lost their English teaching job. So sad. I wanted to go back to just visit, but I won't now. So sad. Best 7 years of my life
Good video guys, thanks from Canada !
This "blame foreigners" thing is so childish, but also very irresponsible and dangerous for the foreigners stuck in China. I have a friend who is French (wife Chinese) with a daughter in primary school locked in their Shanghai apartment. He and his family don't deserve to have a target put on their backs because the CCP dropped the ball.
Have you forgotten the Russian collusion hoax against TRUMP.
I hated always being told "Welcome to China!" even though I'd already been living there x amount of years.
who knows you are living in China for x amount of years, you didn't write it on your face.
Really good stuff and also, your guys cut-a-ways for commercials are on point ;)
Have loved your channel for years now. Starting watching you guys when moving from TW (where I started my expat adventure) to China in 2016. My wife and I went back to TW for new years in 2020, thank god! Weren't able to return to the "mainland". Met your boy Prozzie where we live in Taichung now. Seen your Changhua shots, know it well, that was my first digs in TW. Glad you all are well stateside. Heading there in Aug.
I've been watching you guys each for about 7 years now. Love your guy's content, so educational, keep it up!
@nfw did you just assume their gender??????????:????????????
Yes, loving fake news about China is in these days.
@@VegaTakeOver what?????????????????????????? thats a serious crime
I have lived in Kenya, Zambia and briefly in Tanzania. I was both of these 3 countries at the start of Chinese coming in to Africa to build infrastructure. My observations with the Chinese were they are not thankful or mindful to interact with the africans. They are far much racist to the locals and they treat African laborers like total garbage to the point of frequent fights between Chinese bosses and African workers. These is happening allover Africa. The diplomatic ties does not extend on people to people relations. What I predict is a massive backlash between African civilians and Chinese foreigners in most of Africa.
Han supremacy mixed with censorship and authoritarianism, is a much bigger problem than people think.
@winterbreak who are lazy?
@winterbreak I live in the southern US. Given that most of the work done for hundreds of years was done by black people, I can say pretty certainly that African people as a whole are not lazy lol. Chinese work culture (example: suicide nets on factory windows) is probably why you think so.
@@jackmariner Well, they were given the appropriate motivation in those days.... watishhhh.
Kick them out, before all the resources, are stripped out.
Hearing this story time and again I cannot understand how foreigners stayed so long through all these trails and the ostracizing place.
I've lived in other countries and its difficult and challenging enough especially with a foreign language, but to go about daily in such a separatist place is untenable.
China has alot to offer
The normal Chinese people are very friendly the culture, traditions that's why people went to China to make a living and raise a family even tho there were hardships
But now that is long gone with the zero cov policy but before that things were going down hill fast
Chinas heading to be another North Korea
I haven't been to China, but online Chinese people are less ostracizing than say online Japanese, however, Chinese are very unfiltered so you'll see open racism more often. The xenophobia of Japanese seems more difficult to deal with for me.
@@aoeu256 it seems the Japanese are alot reserved and keep to themselves
I have Chinese friends here in Australia they seem to integrate more into society alot easier when they have lived here for a while and realise that the CCP is not God
However been brain washed since early child hood it's not easy for them and only seeing with thier own eyes helps how much lies and propaganda the CCP really is
It will be the same for my finance ,her 5 kids and her mum as they have never been to Australia so it will be my job to keep them safe
I'm sure they will settle in once they have got over the culture shock tho we are pretty easy going here in Australia despite what has been told about Australia
It will be interesting to have an instant family with 4 teenage girls and a boy of 7 plus my finance and her mum living under the same roof
Plus I have a boy 11 and a girl 22 from a past relationship
So it won't be boring
I currently live in jiangsu and almost every American, British, Canadian have left or planning to leave after the lockdown ends. Most of the foreigners still in China are Russian or African
Is your statement "Most of the foreigners still in China are Russian or African" based on fact or is this only YOUR opinion?
@@uwanttono4012 fact. I have lived in China for 10 years my job is to hire and train foreigners. China isn’t welcome to foreigners anymore and it’s difficult to travel. In my company and my friends companies there were all Americans, British, Canadians and Australians but now they have mostly left China or soon will.
@@urath11 You still did not answer the question! All you did was justify your answer. BTW, I lived in China for 15 years and left n 2019 before C19 broke out but I was aware that the atmosphere towards laowai was changing even then.
@@uwanttono4012 I said based on fact about the nationality of foreigners in China. My opinion is since 2018 and 2019 it slowly started to change but after COVID started the change became faster that foreigners are less welcome in China
I'm really glad I got out when I did. I hope my friends ( Foreign and Chinese) are doing alright
As bad as they treat their own people, coupled with their extreme hate for outsiders makes it obvious the world would be a hellscape if they became the sole superpower...
I am still in China, no longer allowed to work here because I am over 60. I am getting out very soon and will never return here. I agree with most everything you say.
So true, everything you guys say is true, glad I discovered that years ago and haven't had to go through this. Left 10 years ago, miss it, but wouldn't want to return long time.
I left China 2 months ago.
Things are incredibly hostile all over the country if you are a foreigner. The root cause is ofc the propaganda but the hostility is felt in your building, at the grocery store, at the gym, subway, etc.
It really is a shame and it does make me sad for myself since I genuinely had a great time living in China and ofc the chinese ppl who are stuck in China.
It's so crazy to think how radical things became after COVID. And yeah, there was just so much hope for the future.
The future now looks bleak in China. I will miss it but nothing I can do to change things
Nord/Express suck btw.
Most VPNs suck as I watched a video about them done a year or two ago I think. Not gonna get my money.
Are you a foreigner or a native born in China? I ask because the people in the USA (the far left) loves to shout about systemic racism in 2022, but they have no damn idea. Chinese, and North Korean, racism are the leaders and Japan is in the top echelon as well. I love the Chinese countryside and just how damn big the country is, but no way can China progress with Mao 2.0 being in power.
What's the best VPN you have found or used, is there one you would recommend?
@@DrTubeman so far all of the highly advertised ones only work well for about a month after your trial period so you have no complaints and you can't get your money back
Your TH-cam profile shows what kind of account this is lol
Always click the pic next to someone’s name if you want to know if their comment has weight and truth
@Tulak Hord no lol pics don’t matter
Commenting on and following a channel everyone does while living in China as a foreigner is what I’m talking about 🙄
Wake up to what the CCP is doing to stop these people
Glad to see you guys going strong, missed seeing you in Huizhou when we lived there at the same time. Keep up the great work.
So informative! Thank you both!
ADVChina is awesome keep it up guys, very few TH-cam channels keep you engaged for every minute of the entire video. Been watching since 2016.
"They're organizing so called hitting bowl music festivals!"
Man I remember going to Hitting Bowl 2016 before 'Rona was a great time
Wow happy to hear Viv is an American citizen, didn’t know that.
Love your videos, always provide a great perspective. Keep up the good work. 👍❤️
I spent a few months traveling in China in the 90's, nothing has changed. Too many stories about being cheated, tricked and disrespected by xenophobic locals. It's a shame because there's so much to experience there. Gotta have a lot of energy to constantly fight as a resident/traveler.
In the US, as a LPR (Lawful Permanent Resident) you have almost all the rights as a citizen except for voting, serving on a jury in some states, and some SSI benefits. Many people live here for decades and never have to get citizenship.
That is what the West makes better
Jobs. Places of employment that pay well and require background checks do require citizenship or proof you're on the way to getting.
@@orneryokinawan4529 Only when the job is higher level goverment job or one that is affected by national security laws. Or law enforcement. As a foreigner, you can do a lot and work in well paying jobs without getting citizenshiip or be asked to take up citizenship.
@@CN-beziiz Naw.
@@orneryokinawan4529 liar
They found a dead resident in our building, here in SH, last week due to this lockdown. Not sure the exact cause of death but she had been in there for at least few weeks. She hadn’t been down to take PCR tests in a while and they ended up taking her body out in a black van in the middle of the night. More people have died from the policy than from Covid itself. 🤷🏽♂️
It is time to leave, their covid strategy is disaster. When they open the Airports i would leave immediately.
@@ibobeko4309 us too.
Thank you so much for your channel. I appreciate it a lot
Great video! I liked your bike travel eye view. You really caught the real China in your video. The one common folks (like majority of us) live in. Thanks a lot for sharing. Your videos are invaluable.
Both my parents are immigrants to the US. I have always thought how hard it must be to leave the culture you grew up with. But also, how bad it must have been there that you would leave to go someplace new. It must be hard on you and your family. Some family are with you and some are still there.
Then imagine how hard it is for the people in the country you immigrated to, if you are one of those immigrants that take your contrys politics, culture, and religion to the new country and refuse to embrace its values and culture, and politics.
As an American, I love seeing legal immigrants from all around the world who come to America to become an American, but if the only reason they came to America was for the standard of living, and believe me anyone born in the US can pick them out of a crowd because they stick out, those people need to stay where they came from and allow those who really want all the US has to offer, not just it money. So, if you really want what the US has to offer, and don't believe the lies of the elitists, you're welcome to come and personally I'll welcome you with open arms, but anything else please don't bother. P.S. I would love to see as many people as possible escape Hong Kong as possible and hope the world will open its doors to them.
@@andersandersen6295 . What does it mean embrace it culture ?! You mean they lose their culture ?! IS that your démocratie and Freedom you talk about to the World..
@@germslover6662 ..hein ?! What do you mean by becoming américain ?! And why it IS problème if ppl Come for Mony. .you know Many ppl from World Come for économic reason ..and there IS no problème in that. If you dont accepte économic migrant ..then all white ppl who are in other countries should leave bcz those white ppl immigrate there ..i
For ..business ..in other word économic migrant.
@@aghileshemdani3144 If you want to keep your stoneage culture then stay in your stoneage culture, dont come and push it on the modern world. im not ready to sacrifice democraty and freedom to make you and your stoneage beliefs happy and let you advocate for less freedom and non democratic rule.
I love yalls videos so much! It's like a window into a whole different world, esp when you have such nice travel footage. It's a shame what happened to China, I hope we can visit someday without fear.
Scary- the banging of pots and pans in Shanghai. Sades of George Orwell's "1984" whose most famous line is " Big brother is Watching You."
thanks for the insight guys!
Great video, keep it up! Its super important to address this issue
I lived in Tianjin from 2015 until late 2020. I can absolutely say firsthand that all of this information is accurate. I had every Intention on calling China my home, I truly loved it with all my heart from the small rural areas to the large cities, but things have changed.... I can't tell you how many times I got turned away from staying at hotels, especially in Beijing, including in Sanlitun with my Chinese girlfriend. 2015-2017ish was the best time of my life in China, I never personally experienced any issues during that time anywhere. I felt extremely welcomed by all locals, including the local police. But sometime after that I began getting yearly checkups at my work checking my Visa, and questioning me leading up to the pandemic, including a year or two beforehand. As well I began getting harassed multiple times a year by the local police in Tianjin. I travelled all over China and experienced things from the most rural areas to areas most foreigners wouldn't ever see or experience unless with a local Chinese, to seeing some of most beautiful mountain ranges including the Shaan'xi (mountains) to the Xi'an terracotta warriors, to Xiamen's old foreigners' headquarters, to the great wall, the forbidden city and to some of the biggest cities, even got to see some Buddha monasteries/temples high up in the mountains, and much more/etc. I never had a single issue until Xi JinPing started stepping up his bullying mentality. The last year or two I lived there began becoming increasingly more uncomfortable. But don't get me wrong China is absolutely a beautiful country and the locals are very kind, loving and welcoming people but brainwashing really takes its toll on the population that watches state ran television and politics to often. I was even in HongKong during the street riots and got to truly experience how much Xi JingPing and the CCPs rule has affected the well-being of most. That being said I hope China gets back on a healthy, loving, welcoming path like most Western countries do to foreigners. I can't wait until the time in which I can return for travelling and feel completely welcomed.
That will never happen again
@@thefighterboy6681 sadly, Xi says let them eat cake, well in this scenario they don’t even get the cake.
There is something I really wonder but have you heard of the New World Order? It is not a conspiracy as the world's elite freely admit it. What I wonder is how will China fit in with that? When we are to no longer have any borders, and become one world how that is diametrically in opposition to how China thinks, and does. I get a sense the world elit (the Klaus Schwab of the WEF types) are going to force China to fail and fail hard soon. Consider it a spanking and Xi will fall replaced by a Klaus Schwab puppet to further the WEF objectives.
@@aquafishsoup They don't even get the plate, let alone the cake!
Did you take your Chinese Girlfriend/Wife out of China with you?
Got a good foreign (non-Chinese) friend who lives in China. He's been there for the whole pandemic. For him, he was engaged (now married) to a Chinese woman so he had a reason to stay. The school he works at was raided by the police as part of Xi's crackdown on "foreign textbooks" and now he and his wife are waiting for her visa to his home country to come through so they can escape. I really hope they both get out ASAP in case the CCP decides to close the gates for good and they're stuck there.
Great idea to keep the camera on on your cnc trip. Love watching it. Looks like really nice road at the later part
I learn something new each time I watch and listen to these guys. I feel they openly and honestly care about and love China but not it's government. Thanks guys! SUBSCRIBED.
Thanks Guys For Keeping Us Informed On What's Really Going On With This Very Important Subject Matter 👍
Great job Very informative and meaningful Thanks ADV China
I lived there for 7 months and left in March. I never knew the ‘Golden Age’ of modern China. I just knew the COVID insane China.
its is really insane.
Appreciate all the videos, stay safe out there
I've seen videos recently about how China is entering a severe energy and food shortage because of Russian's wars. Western workers who were operating the energy operations between Russia and China have left, so many things will grind to a halt with no expertise, no parts, no tech support. That made me wonder whether China is telling the truth about the new lockdowns. Are they really about medicine, or are they planned to conserve supplies?
Interesting 🤔 Sounds possible
Also stress test society for total war against Taiwan
I think they are planning on invading Taiwan before 2024. They know Biden is weak and will do nothing but use sanctions. That's why they are storing up grain and other commodities. They are also humbling the high class elite into a more Communistic life since there will be little to no trade for however long (10 - 20 years?). This is the Great Crises of our lifetimes. it's a cycle. but afterwards will be a new golden age.
@@TommyT777 agreed
What if lock downs allow the government to get even with certain people by starving them to death by denying supplies...?
I dont understand why the change in time. You have always made my Friday and its frustrating when you do it earlier in the week....
Everytime I watch your guys videos, I always get an ad about learning how to speak chinese. XD
Especially Liaoning and much of Dongbei - you can drive for hours on end and not find one place that looks inviting enough for you to stop.
Never stop what you guys are doing!
I am a Korean who have been living in China for most of my life.
There are quite a lot of Koreans in China, especially concentrated in a few cities like Shanghai, Hongkong, Beijing, TianJin, Qingdao etc, and if u visit international schools in China you'll probably see a lot of Korean students as well.
Over the years, China undoubtedly has grown really much. It is true that major cities have developed so much and are much cleaner than before, and now people are more aware of public etiquette. China was a really awesome place to live in during the early&middle stages of 2010. The people were awesome, my parents have made quite a few Chinese friends (Shops, businesses, neighbors, teachers) and everyone, foreigners and Chinese people alike were forming great relationships. Foreign businesses were blooming and English academies were popping up, inviting more foreigners to come to China.
And of course the Chinese culture, it was awesome.
But now, in my opinion, the relationship between foreigners and Chinese started to crack a bit since 2017, especially for Koreans. This was when THAAD, a defense missile system, has been proposed to be installed in South Korea with the U.S' assistance. China claimed that this was the U.S trying to spy on China and have missile range over their country. This was total bs btw, since the missile system could only be activated when foreign hostile projectiles are in range, and the U.S and China already has spy satellites all over Earth's orbit.
Chinese people started boycotting Korean products. Hatred on Koreans, ramped up by the government, could be felt by people. There were news coming out in Korean media that some Korean residents in Beijing and Shanghai got beaten half to death by communist party thugs, and were forced to lose their job.
Meanwhile, in China, new apps were created, which was mostly cool but propaganda started to get spread by their government on a much larger scale than ever before. All of these apps were regulated (some indirectly controlled by the government) and required a lot of the user's private information. Try reading Wechat's privacy policies..you'll be surprised.
Private businesses, personal stores etc started to disappear, and more and more large companies (many controlled by the government to some extent) started to appear.
A few years later, in around 2019, I'd say the overall atmosphere on foreigners have changed.. Propaganda could be easily spotted if u take a look on Chinese social media platforms and news, and even Chinese people who we knew started having biased opinions as well. For example, they became members of the communist party and took a part of their events. They believed they should now buy Chinese products instead of foreign ones if possible in order to support their country and since their product quality is better now (especially ekectronics). They started to take more part of politics as well, and if the government says something, they follow and agree.
A whole lot of regulations and government policies were introduced, and nationalism began to appear in a sick way. Now there is this rule among the Chinese, which is to cooperate and agree with all government policies, support and love the country(but really for the CCP), and do not complain but rather congratulate the government's efforts
China started to crack down hard on poor people in my opinion. One day, all the beggars in my city disappeared. I hope they are fine. Soon after that, government propaganda of China alleviating poverty and everyone living happily were pumped out.
More cctv cameras. More censorship on media. More Chinese trolls fighting with Koreans over small things on the internet.
And around a year or two ago, China and Korea had another huge fight, this time over culture. Chinese TV shows and people started claiming that some of the most famous Korean cultures, like Korean attires, food like Kimchi, hats, other inventions, Taekwondo all came from China. Many even claimed it was in fact, China's not Korea's.
Korean businesses slowly started to get pushed out of China. English academies started to have Chinese teachers instead. Not so good Chinese international schools nowadays only have a few foreign teachers.
Korean barbecue restaurants run by Chinese people bloomed while less people went to restaurants run by Koreans. Nobody really wanted to become close friends anymore.
Even kids started to have different opinions.
It became insanely hard to get visas and work permits.
Honestly, at this point it's hard to get a good life in China now..
More than half of the Koreans in my city (and in other cities too ）have left the country over the past 7 years or so.
The leftover Koreans could now be only seen concentrated in a single area inside a city.
Not only Koreans, but a huge amount of foreigners （English teachers and restaurant chefs）left as well. Right now, there are less than 200 foreign teachers left in my city, and it is a big city.
2 of my teachers left to Shanghai right before the lock down started. I hope they are doing well. They suddenly decided to leave to Shanghai because it is one of the only places left in China with a job demand for foreigners. I know it's true.
But if half of the foreigners really want to leave Shanghai like Laowhy＆SerpentZA said, then the situation is bad indeed..
Fact is Korea is a better country than China anyway. I've been to both, China would be great without the mad government in Beijing. Until then Korea and Japan are the best countries in east Asia.
They don't want to leave. Half of them have ALREADY left in the last two years. And of course nobody was going in almost.
That's what they do. They get rid of who they don't want. Homeless poor people don't deserve to live so they were probably taken to camps or just killed. Same goes for elderly people. Only the wealthy elite will live long lives in comfort. People now paying social insurance for pension will probably not get it when their age to retire arrives.
Thank you for this post. It has explained a lot of things to me. I was abit confused about the attitude to kpop etc coming from China. Now I realise. Really interesting post.
Thank you for telling your story bro
I sensed that China was one huge facade when I was there and it seems to be true.
What I been reading is that the Maoist economy is starting decline, foreigners become some what of a liability when the economy starts to tank. Now a lot of foreign investment is going to other countries like Vietnam, India, Indonesia and Malaysia. As for the blame of the Covid virus, it came out of their Wuhan level III bio-weapons lab.
Occums Razor...of course it did! Why not Hangzhou? Wuzi? Fuzhou? Chongqing?...no Wuhan!
What makes that city different?....The Lab!
Still the animal vector between bats and humans hasn't been identified. SARS1 has Civet Cats...why the big mystery here?
The deeper story is the US paid for it via Danszak "Ballsack"'s research company.
.....any evidence for these claims, or does it just sound true?
Foreigners being around for potential unrest is the reason why Tiananmen was such a big deal, because Westerners were around to witness and cover it. So that part makes sense.
The great depression was worse in usa
@@Mattsta2010 Actually Laowhy86 here did a fascinating investigative documentary last year, showing receipts, which seems to present a rather compelling case for a specific WuHan lab, and possibly the most likely patient zero. To summarize there is or was a level 3 lab, adjacent to the first hospital to see Covid cases, and a few hundred feet from the infamous wet market. This lab was working with live bats. Outside their rating. And there was a recorded breach back in mid to late 2020 that put several young lab techs in quarantine for a week. A week or two later a female tech came down with a severe respiratory distress and was rushed next door to the hospital. The doctor that treated her was the first doctor to die from it.
Yeah. One peculiar thing we found out today, when we went to the Bank of China to update them with my new passport, is that they said I could not reinstate the bank account because it was originally opened based on a Q2 (family-visit type) visa. Keep in mind the account was opened 12-13 years ago and I've never had any such problem using it over the years, and that I have been on a residence permit -- rather than a visa -- for a couple of years now. They say this regulation went into effect 5 years ago. I updated my ID with them less than a year ago, and there was no issue then either. So, it really makes no sense. It just looks like they are trying to arbitrarily make life for foreigners more difficult.
Consider also the major block they placed on foreigners to prevent them from returning to China at the start of the pandemic and during the longest holiday which is when many foreigners go home each year -- even those who already had valid visas and residence permit. That surely caused many foreigners to abandon whatever longer-term pursuits they had in China never to return. The only way I was able to remain here with my family was to obtain a residence permit which did not require me to leave, in contrast to the 10-year family visa I previously had which required me to run across the border to HK every 3 months to maintain the visa.
Thanks for the great motorcycle vids. Humanizes China. Thanks also for this vid. Was recently headhunted for a job in China and declined graciously without giving a reason. Now I'm glad I did. Thanks for opening this culture to us.
Excellent and valuable insight into life in China, thanks!
I'm married to a Chinese woman. She's one of the nicest and most pure hearted people I've ever met. However, she isn't well educated. Whatever the state media throws in her direction, she believes. Recently, the propaganda has been getting worse and worse. She's started to really hate Americans and foreigners, because the government is telling her that they're the source of all the country's problems. She's also fully on the side of Russia, and blames America for the entire situation. I try my best to reason with her, and provide some balance to her perspective, but it's difficult. Her mind wasn't given the tools to see past the propaganda she's being exposed to, and that's intentional of course. It's causing some strain in our relationship, obviously.
Very sad. Where do you live now ?
She sounds like a very dangerous person. That is what most Germany were like in 1939
@@Monatio79 We still both live in China together.
@@anarki777 I don't know what your long term plans are, but I guess it's only a matter of time before push comes to shove so to speak. As far as not being well educated goes, the same can be said for the vast majority of Chinese in the mainland. And by that, I mean they lack worldly wisdom. Every Chinese is indoctrinated ad nauseum from birth about how great their country is and how evil the Japanese were/are. I recall how many college students had never been outside of their own province and most assumed that western = USA.
Good luck. One way might be to focus her attention on other things. Some people are more susceptible to propaganda unfortunately.or you introduce her to other foreigners doing great things there.
Imagine doing the hazard perception driving test with footage from China, you would be pressing the button constantly
“Keep your head Down”, it was funny you said that. I said the same thing to my Russian colleague in St.Petersburg two weeks ago! 😂😂
I am in Shanghai, two days ago a friend returned to his country. Now is the time to be strong. Very good video.
1996 & 97 - some small town hotels wouldn't allow foreigners to stay.
2000 - 2002 "You can't stay, but, here's the key, checkout time is noon."
2010 things were starting to get a bit more strict again.
Very racist country
The last time I've been to PRC was on 2017, in Beijing. It was nice, but I wouldn't go back to the PRC anytime soon, even if one were to pay me a billion dollars.
Thanks guys. Your videos bring back good memories for me. BUT, I can't believe the naivety. I was in Red China 1979-80 as a teacher at a university. I knew what to expect and was surprised by exactly nothing... or perhaps I was a bit surprised it wasn't more crazy The Cultural Revolution had not long finished and you could feel it in the air, and see the results. The university was like a war site, no heating in a cold Peking winter. Many half destroyed relics of the past. Anyway, it was a good time for me. I was't hauled in by Public Security like some foreigners. We also knew the phones were tapped so used code words. Great fun. Knowing the language well before I got there was very helpful.
I've Chinese neighbors who've just moved in. Three times I've waved to say hello and they blanked me. I'm not sure if it's cultural or they're just not friendly.
keep up the great content guys
Thank you for this wake up call, I can totally relate to what you were saying as I lived in Shanghai in 2013 and 2014 As a student. I came back to Beijing in 2017 to work and I felt the atmosphere has already changed. I’m glad my wife and I made it out of China in 2018 already, now raising a family in Germany safely.
Great, great video, guys.
about a year ago we bought a garage (in northern china) for a car we hoped to buy and use to do what you two did; roadtrip around china. i dont know if we're ever going to safely get that chance. :(
You guys are a good team.
It’s 60. I had gone every summer to do education camps, but now I’m 61 and can’t get the visa anymore. I tried to get the 10 year version when I was 55, but because of my age, I couldn’t get. My colleagues were 20 years younger and got theirs without a problem.
What a racist country
Thank you!!
Yeah exactly right. I managed to get out this week actually. I will never go back there again.
I lived in China from 1998-2008 and it was great, I did feel a change around the start of the Olympics in 2008. What is happening now is very sad. Great work guys.
Everybody, Chinese and Foreigners both in China and outside China, is a victim of the fake news, such as from the BBC, CNN, FOC, CBC, to name a few. Keeping spreading 3 million Uyghur genocided, make people hate each other, go to the war so that they can make big money, they funded the BBC, CNN, FOC, CBC...
Accurate. In 2008 the foundation was laid.
"hitting bowl music festival": I never thought I'd say this, but this is one time where you have to mention the CCP and "copium" in the same sentence.
Probably the real reason I was denied a visit. I always have been into Civil Rights. Gees this is not good for the average Chinese People suffer.