Daniel Confronts Devon About Their Friendship Fall Out | Ep68
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- The moment you’ve all been waiting for has finally arrived. Devon and Daniel finally share the cult story. This episode we’re talking about cults, identity, and friendship. Daniel reveals why Devon’s cult moment felt like a betrayal and how it led to their two year friendship fallout. He also talks about how figuring out your identity in your early adult life, and why he approaches life differently than his past self. The whole crew also unwraps amazing gifts from one of our fans and share their thoughts cults beyond Devon’s “leadership camp” *wink wink*.
How did study abroad change Daniel’s perspective on life? How did Devon and Daniel mend their friendship?? And how did Devon find himself in a cult to begin with???
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Devin doing mental gymnastics to convince himself he wasn’t finessed into that cult is so entertaining lol
Hahaha yeah, like... for all the talk about taking responsibility about your past actions this whole "let's see how can I make seem like; one this wasn't a cult, two I was some-what right in doing it" bro... if anything makes me appreciate Daniel even more, not only for put on the whole sex-tension of Dev and Lindsey but for trying keep it light despite Dev denail of his ex cult
Olympic level self gaslighting
You can tell he was uncomfortable and a bit embarassed talking about it again with Dan. You can tell with how much he kept trying to find the little good he got out of the experience. If Devon benefited in any extent, then atleast he got something out of it. Pressuring a friend into doing something is never okay though. Whether it’s trying a new drug or joining a cult.
He’s still a little brainwashed
His insistence that it was culty and not a cult was too funny 😂
Losing a friend like Daniel must be soul crushing you need a tank like that in your life a real bro.
My heart is so full right now 🥹🩷 so happy you guys loved your tumblers, your reactions never cease to make me smile from ear to ear for months lol
As a fellow tumbler maker these were so good! So sweet of you 🫶🏻🥹
Let me just say- Daniel just dropped a PhD level course on being a black american in the modern world.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime."
Take into consideration that as human beings, black americans also grow up with pre concieved notions of oneself, our culture, and how others view us.
I went through the EXACT same experience as Daniel in my 20's. Third generation Army veteran... but I can't trust in he pledge or my white battle brothers because of how I viewed their view of me.
Ended up in the psychward myself in the midst of the George Floyd protests.
Mentally killing myself for the fault of an unjust system.
I chose to live, and learn what that truely means, for my sake.
I traveled to Argentina during the pandemic just to try something different. Then Uruguay, then Canada.
I fell in love.
I fell in love to be viewed outside the hyper violent lense that was american racism. I'd take the standard label of foreigner any day.
I've travelled throughout South America, and Europe- its my drug of life.
Meeting those engaged with human curiousity beats stressing myself over the opinions of the maliciously ignorant.
Some people just dont like you. Thats NOT on you.
I found the breathe to be my trueself once I travelled outside of America.
When I came back- I kept it, and actively fight for it everyday. But its a space for my sake that I deeply cherish.
I see that Daniel as also developed that sense of space and chooses to write his story how he deems.
Just want to say I fucking love this podcast.
You guys are real genuine people openly expressing real genuine thoughts.
To feel like I'd reach a level of being seen to this extent- jesus.
Ya'll are amazing- seriously.
All the love.
LOVE BRO. NEEDED THIS
He was so real for that. Moments like that are what really make me enjoy this podcast. Daniel, Devon, and Lindsay's willingness to have these type of sincere conversations with each other... along with the silliness.
And thanks for sharing your story. 🙏🏾 Your comment is helpful to read as a Black man about to take my first venture to South America and Mexico. I'd always found travel intimidating and have only been out of the US once in my 30+ years of existence.
Lmao, you can’t be serious. You must have been in Argentina for half a day. They dislike black people. Try going to Italy and Eastern European countries. And see how they fare vs USA. People always complaining about USA have no idea how great this country is. Stop being a big baby.
That's a side of the spectrum I as an outsider don't get to see and for me it unveils a lot of different perspectives. They say that traveling helps you to find yourself and even though sometimes it's difficult to do it I think is an oportunity we need to have. Putting our cultural aspects into question helps us define ourselves. I am from Uruguay, and I'm glad your experience in my land, along our neighboring nations, helped you through.
Yes. It was honestly breath taking hearing Daniel’s perspective. I almost unmade myself in my early 20s trying to reshape the box that the modern world had put me into and it took so much self actualization and bravery to finally conclude that only I can control my personal narrative. It’s crazy how a show we all used to watch as children is coming back in adulthood and doing the same things it set out to do and that’s help navigate this crazy thing called life. These 3 are so genuine and honestly the best product of Nickelodeon. It’s great to have them back
Everyone needs a Daniel in your life to keep you grounded. And when you have one and they get mad at you like that then you know you effed up. Glad you guys were able to mend and move forward.
Like if you agree Dev should’ve offered a more direct & genuine apology for hurting his friend, instead of offering his perspective on how it could’ve helped Daniel out. Still, best episode to date🙌🏽
Yeah I’m glad they’re cool but just watching Daniel in this episode…he is still hurt (at least that’s what it seems like to me). And Dev’s apology seemed more like “I’m sorry, but” instead of, as you’ve mentioned, a more direct & genuine apology.
@@theclintonvanceFelt the exact same man, it looks like he’s still holding resentment resentment but not enough to lose a friendship over which is SO mature on Daniel’s part!!
He started off saying sorry, Daniel is the only one who has any bearings on how he takes that. This how people on the internet stir things up that were never there fr 🙃
I felt the same but I am sure he apologized in private hence why they are in this place that they can freely talk about it and why Daniel would even have him back in his life. Not everything has to be public. More meaningful if he did it in private between them. But I do agree he should have apologized again instead explaining over and over why he did it or how it could have helped. But I'm sure they talked it out before the pod was even a thing.
I mean...half of people's friends and families are in religions (which in many cases are cult like) and they try to convince the ones they love to convert because they think it will be helpful. Most of these people have good intentions and usually mean well because it is helping them, so they are hoping it will help you. At the end of the day, though, he clearly apologized for it and they are friends that were able to move past their differences in beliefs.
This episode was a little tough to watch at certain points, and I appreciated that. Dan had a lot of thoughts about this I feel like he never got out. I appreciated Daniel's full cynicism towards the situation (as I would and do feel), but Devin's understanding that it was hurtful. Even Devin doing this silly thing at one point still speaks to his openness and his positive personality. Good stuff.
You go to therapy, get a hobby, or join a sports league for personal development. You don’t join a cult. LA has done a number on Devon. Wow.
They all get a little too preachy sometimes for me
Therapy is a myth. A close honest group of friends is better just learn not to trauma dump all the time. Therapists even kill themselves they are just humans not miracle workers or Gods
That place is a hellhole, but all 3 of them could have ended so much worse though.
You'd be surprised how many people fall into the trap. People who are looking for something in their life. They find a group that relates to you and makes you believe you are valid and bam it is a cult and they got you and brainwash you. Those people know how to manipulate you and that's why so many cults last for years. They purposely know who to find and what buttons to press to get you to do what they want in the end. So I don't blame Devon because he was going through stuff and didn't see any warnings. He just saw a workshop that helped him and it wasnt until he got deeper that things were getting weird and not until he was out and then everything is clear to him. Just glad it didn't go any further than it did
What cult did he join? I’m curious to which group? I have no idea. lol.
I love nothing more than when you all do episodes talking about real life shit. I love the show but there’s something so magnetic and cathartic watching you all talk about your real life experiences, traumas, and learning life lessons. So good!
What a joy it is to find this channel on YT! I was passionate about this series in my childhood, I think it was my favorite, I never missed an episode. What a nostalgic feeling. This show was incredible! Very refined humor for a children's standard, covering many fun and iconic themes (the scene with the little monkey getting angry hahahahah). It feels like it was just yesterday that I was a kid watching a marathon of "Ned's Declassified" on Nickelodeon. Seriously, such comforting nostalgia! I hope you can see this message, you have no idea how important you were in my childhood. Hugs from Brazil.
its so beautiful Daniel was able to call out Ned and hold him accountable without it being taken as offense! more discussions like this pls ❤
Devon*
I’m not even mad that Daniel was the focus of the podcast, this one was GREAT. What a funny story to hear about after the fact haha
Daniel, if everybody thought like you, the world would be a much much better place. Love you man.
15:57 the “Naw it can’t be” is from the soul
devon offering the workshops probably made daniel mental state WORSE at the time. and dev dares to say ''if you would have come with me youd probably not having that mental breakdown''...
and devon even refuses to take accountability about it.
that's an adult tip: don't get into seminars and self help cults and shit. Especially if they're not paying you.
Facts
30:52
“That self help group could’ve helped me.”
“could’ve helped ya out of $500.”
😂😂😂
They never even got to do the rewatch😂
Better that way. Grew up with the gang 😂 I'll rewatch later. Love the Survival Guys
Do they ever?
That's fine by me! I want this podcast to go for a long time!
Really interesting Daniel’s trip to Europe. It reminded me of listening to James Baldwin talk about leaving America to live in Europe. He roughly said that in America he could not exist as anything other than a black man and that the deep racial divisions at the core of America made it impossible for him to be himself. It was in Europe that he could be a black man, and a writer, an artist, a critc, and a gay man.
Granted that was a long time ago and the world has rapidly changed since then. But it’s interesting to consider the American element there and America’s relationship with race.
Great episode, never comment but I was so fascinated. You all are just have such a natural and real rapport. Even during the commercials, it’s always apparent you guys love to work together and I’m just lucky to be able to watch it happen. Magic in a bottle you all.
"Coulda helped you out of 500 bucks" 😂
Love this episode so much. The honestly and proof of growth is insane. I hope you guys all stay friends and work together for the rest of your careers because this friendship triangle is something special ❤
I know Devon means well, but I find his reaction to Daniel a bit minimizing. You can’t keep saying sorry and then explain how you just meant well, or try to justify your actions because Daniel wasn’t doing great mentally. Impact versus intent my friend.
I think he’s just trying to explain his perspective at the time, and how it was one of his deep rooted beliefs during that timeframe.
To me, it does seem like he’s genuinely sorry. Or that he feels bad after hearing what Daniel had to say on how he felt.
I understand what you’re saying though-just my take on Devon’s side in this conversation. & I really think Daniel highlighted a lot of important and insightful aspects. Loved hearing him speak his mind. ✨
I mean a lot of people might have good intentions with what they do. They are friends now because they understand that.
Love that Devon kind of dances around the fact it was a cult ("diet cult" lmaoo) or that some part of the cult was still positive for him. Meanwhile, Daniel has no problem being like "Nah dude it was a straight up cult that wants your money." 😂
And it actually shouldn't matter if you had a positive experience initially because I'm pretty sure all cult members do and that's how they are pulled in. Lol
That cult still has Devon in their hands to this day lol 😭😭
I swear🤣
Thank you for sharing Daniel, fr. I grew up in Omaha,Ne Catholic schools with South African refugee parents so I was definitely a minority in all the spaces I went. I'm 31 & to this day question my place. I'm married to a white man and have 2 kids &, although I love him & wouldn't wanna be with anyone else, I'd be lying if I said I never notice differences between us due to our backgrounds. Hearing someone else wrestle with race & their place in the way you articulated it made me feel less crazy/alone & more seen.
I find myself admiring Daniel even more with each episode, such an amazing human being. Devon I also loved how you owned up to your past mistake for hurting your bro like that, I know I can relate. I effed up as well when I was about your age in my early 20s and lost a really good friend of mine, although it wasn't related to cult lol.
Still, the takeaway and tips from this episode was lovely.
We need a just Daniel episode. I am really interested in his experience and journey into trying to find out where he belongs.
Devon I totally understand man. Its easy to get caught up in what you think is improving your life and you end up selling out. I'm glad you all were able to talk it out.
This episode just further proves Daniel is the best one out of the trio even though we already knew that
Daniel spitting facts!!!. And teaching us all!!. Wow, thank you, i learned something today! Thank you for sharing, Daniel!
This episode was absolutely amazing thank you Daniel for being so open and honest! Same goes for devin! & shoutout lindsey for being such a genuine caring friend who is really listening 😢❤i love yall!
Just catching up on the podcasts and want to say that Daniel's point at around 43 minutes in, where he discusses his journey and how the definitions that others place on you can define how you see the world. So poignant. I could probably listen to a whole video on Daniel's thoughts on the subject, it was very well articulated.
Glad your friendship survived!
Lindsey's tip: "If it's true love/friendship, it'll come back." Also a really good thing to internalise. The best friendships and relationships won't degrade over time, they allow you to change and grow together.
I'm glad daniel is speaking up about his experiences. This was a GREAT EPISODE . It's awesome to hear other perspectives, thoughts and feelings
It’s crazy because my family roped me into the same types of seminars in Puerto Rico when I spent some time living down there in my early 20s they really honey pot you in the same ways Devon described
Props to both Daniel AND Devon for being vulnerable. And Lindsay for being there too lol.
Also I like how they can have a sense of humor through such a serious conversation! They all compliment each others really well on this podcast. Find myself really enjoying a lot of this episodes
“The great white hope”
😂😂😂 I’m dying yall!!!!
Hi big fan from neds to the podcast. This episode hit hard, I can relate to both Devon and Daniel. I’m a ex member of a Los Angeles mega church was involved since I was a child til I was in my early 20s. When I left I was going through a similar time like Daniel’s, where I questioned the church, the people, it hurt me the most when a child hood friend of mine, tried to get me to sign up for a business pyramid scam. For a minute I couldn’t trust people. I would skateboard by myself a lot, little but surely, every thing answered its own question, then I started finding people and reconnecting with the best attention, now I have friends and family that except for me and I’ve been out the church now for a little over 10 years now. Thank you for this episode.
I really do hope when Devon & Daniel reunited for the first time Devon gave a legit apology because all I hear is a lot of deflection.
Devon, my man, just apologize to Dan and say you’re sorry. Don’t try to justify it. Especially knowing now what that cult stands for. Bringing up hurtful experiences doesn’t always have to mean there’s someone that was right, someone wrong. It’s like Devon refused to accept he was wrong the whole podcast. Own up. Dan looked noticeably pissed off listening to Devon NOT apologize and own up.
Devins dramatic lack of empathy is pathological. This is the same behavior we saw with the reaction to the drake bell “joke”.
Don't overthink it.
@@mione134 doesn't need to be over thought, it's plain to see
I did not know that I really needed a “Daniel episode” but I really needed a Daniel episode!
One of thee only podcasts I watch the ads for ♡
I feel as thought Daniel’s biggest hang up was the money aspect haha like the amount of times he said “gimme $500”. This was hard to watch but entertaining 😄
probably my favorite podcast episode so far
Love the honesty and growth!
This was 🔥🔥🔥🔥 real life friendship development going through some crazy shit puts this podcast in another league
I don’t know what Lindsey has been doing for herself, but whatever it is, it’s working. She looks GREAT.
They could never recap another episode and I’d still watch
This conversation reminds me of Boy Meets World's "Cult Fiction" (which funny enough will be reviewed this Thursay on Pod Meets World). Shawn was looking for answers and they got him.
This was a great episode!!! Daniel has a great perspective of life.
Great Pod 😌 Heartfelt 🙏🏾 Thanks for your Survival Guys
Guess I’ll throw my two cents in here too! Love you guys, but I agree with the rest of the audience! Dev hurt Dan, and seemed soooo resistant to actually apologizing without trying to justify/gaslight himself! Apologize, Dev. Just a straight apology. If you didn’t do it on the pod which IS public facing, knowing what people may think while still saying they could have helped, there’s no way you gave him a sincere apology in person/real life!
Holy shit😅 it only felt like devin didnt understand anything daniel was trying to say. Just “yea…. Well this is how I felt and my perspective and dang I understand what you mean this is how it was for me”
Next to the absurd amounts of money you usually have to spend in these cults, I think the worst part is that they basically let people ruin all their relationships by trying to convince their friends and family to join these groups as well... which conveniently makes people stay in these cults even more, because now they have no one else left in their life after they made every one lose their trust. I'm so happy you guys finally reconnected because it would've been such a shame to lose you guys' friendship over this.
Another pod to make work go by!! Love you guys❤️
I can't believe I'm getting high at work while listening to and Ned's Declassified Crew's weed ad
I love this timeline!
*edit Im so high I can't type right
Thanks for clarifying! I'm not a fan of misunderstanding, def believe in the truth and Devon and Daniel bumping heads cause of bad timing Is a prime example of why. Ppl can learn much ✊️ Thanks again! I'm glad y'all rekindled. The power of Ned's! Lol ✌️
Love this episode. Truly you are all so magnetic. Talking real life is the good stuff. Also felt lik the boys needed that. Haha
Amazing episode!! Daniel is so intelligent! ! Incredible breakdown.
This is the content you guys ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 this could have went on for a couple hours
Damn, Lindsey always blindsildes me with her intelligence. I love that she can be playful and silly, then bring up retroactive minimalization with 2 relevant examples.
Same ! I’m always a little caught off guard and reminded how well-rounded and wise she is. She’s my favorite of the three tbh. Daniel is a close second
Devon is yapping to the max bro. It’s a cult. Daniel wanted to tell you to stfu so bad lmao.
Oh we getting cancelled today! I am here for this :D! Love the truth in this podcast
Hearing about the memories you guys had together (even the bad) was so entertaining to hear! 😁I have to say I've been on both sides in my early twenties. Almost joined a cult-ish org AND had a friend try to sell me on something. That's willlddd!
This was an amazing episode. I love hearing this from Daniel.
I do wonder why we’re uncomfortable saying “I’m a descendent of slaves. ___is my struggle and racism exists”
I believe whole heartedly that we shouldn’t allow that to define us. And - not hesitate when speaking on it, because it make anyone else uncomfortable.
My podcast app recommended this podcast, specifically this episode. I heard you say "Those of you watching" so I looked up the channel. Watched your guys show when I was younger. I must say though, it's weird hearing you swear. It doesn't bother me in the least; I swear like a sailor, but still odd for me to hear it lol.
Hiiiiii guys ❤❤❤❤ it’s so good to see you guys every Wednesday 😊
Devon a bad friend for that and even apologizing he still keeps trying to justify his actions on his side…Just say sorry and stop trying to put it on his mental breakdown 🤦🏽♂️
I’m sorry but whenever I first started watching I liked Devin until I realized he’s the type that is just like “I’m a free spirit maaaannn” free spirit=no morals.
He can be a bit of a cornball at times and yap a little much and think he's deeper than he is, but really that's about it and in the terms of personal flaws, those are pretty shallow and kind of expected of someone who is basically talking all day for a living. Kind of comes off bitter/holier than thou.
@@tylergribbin-burket1157 I’m not sure if the last sentence you’re saying is Devon or me. All I know is that he acts so profound and like he’s so knowledgeable and is just a “hippie” type of free spirited guy but in a lot of episodes I have watched, he slowly started giving me narcissistic vibes in a lot of different aspects (relationships, personal “journeys, “spiritual awakenings”) not to mention he never apologizes and constantly talks over others.
@@tylergribbin-burket1157 you tried to described it as 'not that bad' but it just sounds pretty bad lol
God I wish I could find what program devon was in. Not knowing is just killing me lol
It sounds exactly like Landmark. I have friends in it and it sounds exactly the same. They have dropped 1000s on courses. They get you by saying they will help get your life together.
I think it was Landmark Forum
I’ve been watching for awhile and I can’t ever shake the feeling/notion that Devon still thinks he’s Ned….
Awesome episode 😃📺
Crazy pod but I am here for it 😂
Great episode!
Ok but Lindsey and Daniel’s friendship ❤
Devon, blink twice if you’re still in that cult 😂
I hope next video be other casts of the huge crew?
Mandy Crew (Jherimi Carter) and Sandy Crew (Cathy Immordino) from the huge crew?
@@trentowens2683 yes
Every Cause has an Affect and every Affect has a Cause
I almost got trapped in the scientology building and it literally felt like I couldn't leave. Daniel is right they don't respect time and you literally have to be rude asf just to leave
20:23 what a quote
This was a great episode
This episode can be described in one word: "yikes".
Reminds me of when I was a Jehovah’s Witness. Every convo I had a hidden agenda to get the person to convert 😮💨
Daniel, trying to flee from racism: "Let's go to Spain! :D"
Not "The Great White Hope" 😂😂😂
I think everyone has had one of those moments. Alot of times for the average nonceleb its a high school person or childhood friend they haven't seen in awhile 😮💨
When will the DROPOUTS be on? They said they rescheduled with you guys! ♥️
Also, that was definitely a cult! 😂
I had somebody from college try to get me to join one of those Amway groups that's an MLM and a cult at once. I found myself thinking there's aspects of this that I could see being helpful, but I'm never gonna put in the effort to run this shitty online store
Lol same. I thought I was going on a date with someone and dude started talking about Anway ugh
💪🏾 Keep it up Guys
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't befriend those in the entertainment industry lol
7:55 I heard “trying to have lunch with my dog to talk about real life stuff” … man, thats an inquisitive canine 🫣🤣
This mood commercials relating to the real life problems fr 😂 ppl with BPD know the extreme emotions to just the worst things that could happen 😅 way better than take this and be happy
After hearing this episode I’m glad the only cult I’m apart of….. is cultaholic 😂 (iykyk) deep episode love the pod.
What group was Devin a part of? Can someone tell me? I’m so curious
I love you guys. That’s all.
I will be next on your Podcast you three🥰🥰🥰😀😀😀😏😏😏💯💯
My dad is big into the yogananda guy, growing up I heard alot about him from my dad
Daniel you're amazing
Mf can’t even say sorry and mean it
Yeah poor Daniel, more and more I feel for him being in this podcast, he is the actual cool-mature guy tolerating poor excuses of "oh it wasn´t that culty"...
Friendship is so sacred