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  • Today we look at one of the main antagonists from the Peter Jackson The Hobbit Movie Trilogy of the Orc Chieftain Azog the Defiler. Today we assess how his story was changed by having a look back into the writings of Tolkien and seeing what the true history of this character was. We look at the warriors he fought, the vile acts he committed and what is true end fate was too.
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  • @kandlbinder001
    @kandlbinder001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +631

    "There Is One I Could Call King" There is no more or less to say about it. I realy would love to see a video on the life of thorin. You would be good and honorable dwarfs.❤👍

    • @autobotavengerfireballxl5339
      @autobotavengerfireballxl5339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      agreed

    • @donbrunodelamancha1927
      @donbrunodelamancha1927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is ONE I would call King!

    • @kandlbinder001
      @kandlbinder001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@donbrunodelamancha1927 Have you watched the video and the message should be "There is one I could call king" thats their request...

    • @altarush
      @altarush 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Azog : why ? Beggar beards?

    • @thephantom8342
      @thephantom8342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They already did,its called the hobbit.

  • @themurrrr
    @themurrrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    I loved the character of Azog The Defiler.
    The idea of an intelligent henchman. The character design is great.
    And lets not forget Manu, who is a great actor and really brought Azog to life.

    • @gamerstheater1187
      @gamerstheater1187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      He was so badass and perfect

    • @Azarya_Madness
      @Azarya_Madness 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Without Azog that movie would be crap... the book was boring. For me, Peter Jackson did a great job!!! And I like Azog. I got a Tattoo of his face 🥰. Sorry for mistakes, Im from Germany
      Tattoo of Azog, not Peter Jackson 🤣🤣

    • @themurrrr
      @themurrrr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Azarya_Madness
      You have excellent taste in tattoos!

    • @Azarya_Madness
      @Azarya_Madness 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@themurrrr thank you ☺

    • @Yenaldooshi138
      @Yenaldooshi138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Azog is a weak villain- evil for the sake of being evil and goes on a quest for revenge against thorin cuz of his arm, pride and hatred for dwarves

  • @brendendonaldson5824
    @brendendonaldson5824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +280

    "There is one I could call king"
    I would love to see a video on the life of Thorin. I'm always ecstatic to see a video on the dwarves. They've always been my favorite race in Middle Earth and in all of the other fantasy worlds. I feel like alot of people overlook them and don't give them the love I belive they deserve.

    • @mr.bill.8236
      @mr.bill.8236 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I bend the knee to no one.

    • @steverome293
      @steverome293 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have ALWAYS adored the elves in just about any franchise, but I'm planning to do a dungeon crawl where some dwarves fight to retake their ancestral home. Only this time they bring help: elves. also, they're going to find out the real origin of the old war between the elves and dwarves, and they can become the friends they were meant to be. 👌🏼😊👍🏻

    • @ledanoir1239
      @ledanoir1239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its eassy to... Overlook them. Heh.

    • @misaelfraga8196
      @misaelfraga8196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wouldn't have overlooked them if their heads stood a bit higher from the ground...

    • @mr.bill.8236
      @mr.bill.8236 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@misaelfraga8196 nice

  • @danielklee5287
    @danielklee5287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I think, keeping Azog alive was one of the worst decisions they made with these movies. If they kept the original chain of events intact they could have used Bolg as the main antagonist with a strong motivation of his own - avenging his father. Dain Ironfoot would have been introduced way before the third movie, whhre he and his army came out of thin air. Storywise this would have fixed some of the problems of the movies.
    And last, but not least they discarded the opportunity to show the visual impressive Balrog in the trilogy.

    • @olofacosta3192
      @olofacosta3192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mostly agree although I think Thorin should have definitely been the one to kill azog. Would have made it even more personal

    • @melkuen5223
      @melkuen5223 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think it was that bad of a decision, because as a kid I always love the fights between Thorin and Azog. But to be honest, I never understood why they didn't choose Bolg instead of Azog to hunt the dwarves. It would have made so much more sense!

  • @DeltaWolf1000
    @DeltaWolf1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    "There is one I could call king"
    I think for the movies it did make sense to have Azog survive, however it would have made for such a cooler villain if he wasn't CGI. CGI took away some of the magic and feeling from the hobbit trilogy. The few times we see orcs as people in costumes they look so much better.

    • @Antisocial_Metalhead
      @Antisocial_Metalhead 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed, the same with Dain being cgi, and the cgi looks worse in the hobbit trilogy

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope it was not because CGI from Weta puts more money in Peter Jackson's pocket.....

    • @sicknote1558
      @sicknote1558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Enerdhil I don't think he would have he was very passionate about the stories/films as many people are

    • @Pilot_Azog
      @Pilot_Azog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The way they pictured him was to tall and not really possible for prothstetics says them, I think he looks awesome, I didn’t mind all the cgi, still enjoyable to watch

    • @Pilot_Azog
      @Pilot_Azog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Peter wanted Azog to stand out so he made him CGI as a very pale and 7ft orc, he was originally gonna be a person in prosthetics, Wich if I’m correct looked like the Yanzeg character

  • @robertmolnar1862
    @robertmolnar1862 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    And I thought to myself then, there is one who I could follow. There is one who I could call King.
    Love the video and the channel!

  • @wayzel1
    @wayzel1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I feel like Azog could be one of the Elves that Morgoth personal transformed into an Orc. This might explain his long life, larger size than a common Orc, higher strength, better agility, smarter mindset and his status as a general... just a playful thought... he may even be one of the sons of Feanor that was lost or possibly another Noldorin descendant of significance.

    • @barisslovenkov5762
      @barisslovenkov5762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He would have lived for three ages if that would be true...he would have seen the war of wrath, the fall of Numenor and so much more lol

    • @piotrmontgomerytv7786
      @piotrmontgomerytv7786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Azog is Feanor's brother.

    • @nikhtzatzi
      @nikhtzatzi ปีที่แล้ว

      Tolkien said that people of middle earth believed some orcs were maiar transforned in orc form cause of how much more fearsome they were compared to the average orc.

  • @alexandermclean9281
    @alexandermclean9281 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You certainly have my vote for a life of Thorin Oakenshield with comparison of Tolkien's own account and the version in the films.
    "There is one I could call king."
    Personally I would have preferred it left unchanged with Bolg commanding the Orcs at the Battle of Five Armies, his father having being slain in Moria at the Battle of Azanulbizar, but I suppose having the Orc who had slain Thorin's grandfather be present, though I do not think the version really seemed to focus that much on that side of things, though I suppose that may be a matter of interpretation.

  • @daveirrlicht9960
    @daveirrlicht9960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    "There Is One I Could Call King"
    'However, this is not the true version as Tolkien himself had written.'
    ...As is pretty much of all Jackson's Middle Earth interpretations, which started pretty well with Fellowship, and got further away from the canonical written word as they progressed. Wish PJ could have stayed truer to Tolkien's books rather than he did, those Hobbit movie's were great when they stayed on track- The Unexpected Party, Trolls, Beorn, the conversations with Smaug are all good. The Bolg role should have remained as it was.

    • @inarencommander4663
      @inarencommander4663 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Disagree. The Hobbit book (which is probably my favorite Tolkien book) was made to be a fun fairy tale. Lord of the Rings was a fantasy epic.
      Thus to translate the Hobbit into movies, especially movies that were made after LotR, they had to lead into LotR. They had to be more epic, or else feel extremely out of place. Azog was one good way to do this. Another was opening up the storyline of what Gandalf was doing while away from the company.

    • @SMunozDB7
      @SMunozDB7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@inarencommander4663 when everything is "OMG SO EPIC", nothing is. Each moment in history has its own proportion, its own weight and flavour and resonance. If you recognize the LOTR as an epic struggle to save a continent, you can't possibly equalize it to a small regional conflict. It doesnt have to be epic to exist alongside Jackson's LOTR. There is nothing wrong with build up in a story.

    • @lordheklsmosh9490
      @lordheklsmosh9490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@inarencommander4663 I totally agree with you, I believe that adding in some of those lines into the hobbit and lotr movies really made them good.

    • @cwopre
      @cwopre 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They could honestly have just left Azog out, made his character Bolg instead, and achieved the same result.

    • @michaelmichaelagnew8503
      @michaelmichaelagnew8503 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inarencommander4663 The books were epic both the Hobbit then going into the Lord of the rings. Had no problem as a child making the connection between the Hobbit and the Lord of the rings. Don't really think Peter Jackson really grasped how epic they were especially the Hobbit. This probably had more to do with him changing a bunch of the story around and adding things that did not needed to be added in the Hobbit. His whole purpose of this was to turn the Hobbit into 3 movies but it was supposed to be a prolog for The Lord of the Rings. The purpose of the hobbit was to be one book that would be a 3 hour movie and that's it and no more. 3 hours is plenty to tell the epic tail and prep the person for the Lord of the Rings.

  • @theLore-Master
    @theLore-Master 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dear Broken Sword;
    It's ok to include him as a flashback, but never to change what Tolkien has written. None of Tolkien's work needs any help from Jackson or anyone else. Edited and streamlining is one thing, but invented narratives and histories as extended Tolkien legend and lore - is not. Flashbacks and visions were done in the LOTR, so there was no reason this couldn't be done again. All Hail to Jackson for bringing this to movies...Tolkien deserves to have it shown. But- too much changing things around is disrespectful. Thanks for the videos.
    The LoreMaster has spoken.

  • @susannahdarby6698
    @susannahdarby6698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    There is one I could call king! Book Thorin and film Thorin are such different characters, I’d love to hear your thoughts on them

  • @TeRenner123
    @TeRenner123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    i actually think this was a good idea to connect the story of the necromancer (who was Sauron) with the Hobbit story because one of our POV characters (Gandalf) actually goes to investigate this.

    • @sandorsbox
      @sandorsbox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree that adding in the events of The White Council driving out the Necromancer was a good choice to include, but the other connections the Lord of the Rings were so ham-fisted. Absolutely unsubtle. The goblins should have been led by Bolg, no wereworms or giant seige monsters. Just goblins, elite group of a few hundred orcs (the bodyguard of Bolg), bats and wargs.

  • @abeloth1116
    @abeloth1116 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Azog : Great commander, skilled warrior, experienced tactician,succesfully leads war against powerful dwarf armies etc.
    Also Azog : *slams a flail into an icefloe while standing on it*

  • @amyb.6368
    @amyb.6368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    I think it was a pretty okay decision to include him in the movies. He helped tie together the dwarves' past with their mountain, Smaug, and finding a new home, as well as show WHY people revered Thorin and why he was so important despite just showing up one day on Bilbo's doorstep with only a dozen-ish dwarves to face a dragon. I did get him and his son confused though; I think maybe those two would have been better rolled into one character in the movies.

    • @Pilot_Azog
      @Pilot_Azog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, and better conflict

    • @ZonarohGaming
      @ZonarohGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree with you with the exception of Azog and Bolg, but my one reservation about it is just how different it is from the original books, so it’s a bit of a pull between “This made the story overall better” and “This isn’t what Tolkien originally wanted”

    • @Pilot_Azog
      @Pilot_Azog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZonarohGaming I see what you mean, the book was Originally a book for his kids so PJ wanted it to have more action/better conflicts and make it better for most people to watch

    • @aaronstockwell5238
      @aaronstockwell5238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Movie was garbage and you know it. Azog was computer generated and fake as hell looking.

    • @bfkc111
      @bfkc111 ปีที่แล้ว

      The execution was cheesy as heck, with him serving as a kind of "Moby Dick" (the white whale - of course he is also "white") stand-in for Thorin as Ahab. Very cheap and unimaginative standard revenge stuff. (Obviously not the original novel, but the way it serves as a kind of cliché to pretend significance, or simply the overall storytelling of the cheesy "revenge" story.)

  • @samfletcher1617
    @samfletcher1617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "There is one I could call king" the movies felt more like a money grab to me, which was very disappointing. I think they should have left it as written and not tampered with it. Or at least have made the changes more in sink with Tolkien's canon.

    • @mrmaxmondays
      @mrmaxmondays 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I read the Hobbit practically every other day growing up, could never bring myself to watch the third movie

  • @Celtic1020
    @Celtic1020 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes do one for Thorin! There is one I could call king.

  • @micah06v8
    @micah06v8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    "There is one I could call king." I would love to see a video about Thorin's life. Unfortunately, due to health limitations, I am unable to read the books, so I rely on individuals such as yourself for this information. Thank you so much for everything you do!
    My response to the question of do I "wish they would have left it like the books?" I don't really understand the point of letting Azog survive, and Bolg just being a background character at that point. I think it would have given Dain a much more compelling reason to come aid Thorin in reclaiming the Lonely Mountain if we has seen Azog kill his father. Why not just leave it the way it was? Then again, I don't know that it really would have changed the story that much.

    • @steve-qp4kv
      @steve-qp4kv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      sorry for your health limitations, heres an idea - you could listen to the books as audiobooks! then you get to enjoy the books. obviously I don't know anything about you, but here's an idea anyway :)

    • @Jay-ev6vi
      @Jay-ev6vi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Respect ✊🏽 💯

    • @Milkra
      @Milkra 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you listen to audiobooks? If so the hobbit is narrated by Andy Serkis (Gollum’s actor) and he’s really good

    • @DarthWombat
      @DarthWombat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Milkra They're listed to a TH-cam video, they can listen to an Audiobook.

    • @adamdisney1854
      @adamdisney1854 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've listened to all the books at work. Audible is great

  • @jinx77168
    @jinx77168 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "There is one I could call king" i would love a video on Thorin

  • @lucassmith7770
    @lucassmith7770 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There is one I could call king!
    I can enjoy the Hobbit trilogy if I do not think too hard, but as always my mental demand for lore makes it a poor representation of the truth.
    A video of the TRUE life of Thorin would be most appreciated!

  • @squigtonianmayhem4602
    @squigtonianmayhem4602 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As long as we always refer to Peter Jackson's adaptation as just that, an adaptation, I accept the movies as they are. The liberties taken by Jackson, usually provide a nice twist, minus a few instances. The books are canon that the films are based on. As long as I can have the books, the films are glorious in bringing life to Middle Earth.

  • @kristianrndrup4469
    @kristianrndrup4469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    "There is one I could call king"
    I would have preferred PJ + other writers to have left Azog out of the rest of the movie trilogy and more true to the book.

    • @kristianrndrup4469
      @kristianrndrup4469 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sasuke pizza Kitten Very true

    • @kristianrndrup4469
      @kristianrndrup4469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Sasuke pizza Kitten I do like them, it was great to see them on the big screen. However, I think it would have been better to have kept it to one, maybe two movies (two movies for me 'cause I like fantasy a lot =D) because I think a some of the sequences are drawn out a bit and take too long and other stuff should have been left out (like the Kíli & Tauriel love story + a lot of the Dog Guldur footage).

    • @kristianrndrup4469
      @kristianrndrup4469 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sasuke pizza Kitten Haha, I follow you. I always find it easier to accept when movie makers just leave out parts of a book to save time instead of changing stuff.

    • @Azarya_Madness
      @Azarya_Madness 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But the book was boring...

  • @marired1531
    @marired1531 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There Is One I Could Call King"
    I was reading the comments while watching the video, and could not understand why everyone was writing the same comment 😂

  • @hopegorman2784
    @hopegorman2784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    "There is one I could call King."
    I was not a big fan of the Azog story in the Hobbit movies. I would have liked to see the more accurate version from the books. But even though the Hobbit movies were less than they could have been, I still love them.

    • @dontcare5998
      @dontcare5998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I couldn’t finish the films. The Hobbit is my favourite book from my childhood and I couldn’t face the travesty that was the Hobbit films

    • @ollie-kc6nj
      @ollie-kc6nj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I could get over it but I hated the cgi

    • @berilsevvalbekret772
      @berilsevvalbekret772 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dontcare5998 opposite for me. I read lotr first so hobbit was a laughing fest for me. I HATED how it depicted the dwarves. I like the movie more to be honest.

  • @JamesSmith-gk8sz
    @JamesSmith-gk8sz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Why they had Thorin kill Azog in the movie is understandable from a cinematic "sell the most tickets" grudge match type deal.....but at the same time Dane would've been an equally awesome fight to the death with Azog in the Battle of Five Armies film.
    Thorin's rad and all but a Scottish dwarf with giant red hair riding a war pig wielding a massive hammer is pretty epic.

    • @Carandini
      @Carandini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They could have easily just used Bolg. There wasn't any reason to have Azog aside from the wrong-headed decision to try to 'big' the story of The Hobbit into something as grand and sweeping as The Lord of the Rings when it flat-ass didn't need to be.

  • @hudsonball4702
    @hudsonball4702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bolg as the main antagonist would have been much better. That doesn't mean Azog couldn't have made an appearance in the flashback to the battle.

  • @atalcot1
    @atalcot1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    “There is one I could call King”. I’d love to see Thorin’s story.

  • @austinwilkes8556
    @austinwilkes8556 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call king. Keeping Azog made for a good movie...

  • @ryanol
    @ryanol 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I like each interpretation of the character. I think the changes made for the films work well for that medium and it doesn't change my enjoyment of Azog from the book.

  • @WisdomKeeper11
    @WisdomKeeper11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There Is One I Could Call King" ❤👍

  • @chrais78
    @chrais78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "There is One I could call king." I agree with Amy that it was cool to have a boss Orc to menace the protagonists and lead the baddies, just not sure why Bolg couldn't have been the Orc to do that instead of resurrecting a character Tolkien had killed.

    • @ZonarohGaming
      @ZonarohGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, like you can say Azog is more iconic but with that head metal stuff Bolg had he still would have been super iconic

  • @Jessiedreads
    @Jessiedreads 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one that I could call king

  • @loganv0410
    @loganv0410 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "There Is One I Could Call King"
    Thanks! - Tolkien's creation beats Jackson's free-handed "interpretations". The less said of rabbit-drawn sleighs the better!!

  • @beausansom9567
    @beausansom9567 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn’t hate Azog coming back as a villain in the context of the movies, but I wish they either would’ve scrapped that and went with Bolg or left Bolg out altogether if they went with Azog. The movie feels too busy with both of them AND Sauron in the background

  • @lopirobinson1991
    @lopirobinson1991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wish they would keep making Middle Earth movies, like what they’re doing with Star Wars. Just don’t sell the property to Disney please. You could get a hundred films out of this lore.

    • @a.bandley872
      @a.bandley872 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd love a movie or series just surrounding the Dwarves and all their battles/wars. A multi-season show surrounding just the Dwarf/Orc war, a miniseries surrounding the battle of Dale, a show about Durin and his kin. So many options to choose from just from one race.

    • @alastor1052
      @alastor1052 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could make 20 seasons out of the silmarillion tbh

  • @csanadjakab7717
    @csanadjakab7717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call king

  • @starkilr101
    @starkilr101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Even though he was very minor in the books, Manu Bennett’s Azog was a legend

    • @vinnye930
      @vinnye930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I completely disagree. He was a bland uninteresting and unnecessary villain. He also represents one of the problems with the hobbit films. When jackson made lotr, he still had a very indie mentality. He made low budget horror movies and he brought similar sensibilities to the films especially with the orcs. The prosthetics and makeup of the orcs in lotr makes them seem like a genuinely terrifying force of monsters. When the hobbit was made, jackson had lost that mindset. Azog and the many of the other orcs/goblins look like generic cgi characters. They look so artificial and none of the visceral gritty look of the orcs from Rings like gothmog in return of the king or lurtz in fellowship, is present in the hobbit movies

    • @boomingbob1579
      @boomingbob1579 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Manu Bennet was an excellent choice for. Azog especially being a native as well
      I mean look at Deathstroke

  • @daddybismarck9607
    @daddybismarck9607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call king

  • @socketdog3675
    @socketdog3675 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I waited sooo long to see beorn rip bolg apart. When it was azog in the movie and he had the scars all over him I thought they were going to do a back story of him and beorn having fought before and beorn had given him the scars. I was so keen to watch beorn vs azog!
    What did I see? Nothing of the sort, it was the biggest let down of any movie, ever.

  • @tuomaslunden4848
    @tuomaslunden4848 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hated how much freedom the Hobitt movie trilogy took. Azog, Legolas, Tauriel... There was too much stuff moved from other context or just made up. In addition, the whole story felt stretched, income over quality.

  • @inblackestnight9256
    @inblackestnight9256 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    There was really no reason for the films to retcon Azog. Their version of the story could've worked exactly the same if Bolg was the main antagonist, possibly even acting under Azog's name/reputation. That change was probably the least of my criticisms of the trilogy, but it was the first one I noticed... oh and "there is one I could call king."

  • @campbellscreek670
    @campbellscreek670 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this content is great do more

  • @kamonreynolds
    @kamonreynolds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As always great video. Love the real Tolkien content. I didn't mind the slight tweaking of the main story line (like they did in the LOTR) but the Hobbit was painful to watch. So watered down. I read the Hobbit at 13 and it and the LOTR trilogy still are my favorite books. The Hobbit was a great story by itself. Without all the fluff and ridiculous CGI. I would not have minded them adding a (what could have happened behind the scenes like Azog, the necromancer etc). But it all seemed so hollow. I don't understand why Hollywood thinks they are better writers than Tolkien. Arrogance.

    • @TheBrokenSword
      @TheBrokenSword  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I totally understand you! It’s a great example of less would have been more!

  • @Silversmith70
    @Silversmith70 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched, liked, subbed and clicked the bell. Now you have to do Thorin =) Its a rule of TH-cam I think, not sure though. There Is One I Could Call King!

  • @Enerdhil
    @Enerdhil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    There is one I could call "King."
    As for any question involving the movies vs the books, I will always pick the books, of course.

  • @bribwan1bribwan135
    @bribwan1bribwan135 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only thing I hated from those movies was the awful CGI The Lord of the rings movies did a lot better job with CGI I like the story’s of the movies. I think these movies are what if this bad guy survived but still dies at the end with his son What if we add a gorgeous female elf Who has a thing with a dwarf in the story.

  • @istari0
    @istari0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    "There Is One I Could Call King"
    There was no value to adding Azog to the Hobbit movies. Like a lot of the changes made in the Hobbit movies, my conclusion is it was done to create more material to allow 3 movies to be made.

  • @larrystehle3729
    @larrystehle3729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was not the pouch of coins of little worth stuffed into Azog's mouth after he was beheaded? "There is One I could call King". It should have been left alone, as written.

  • @alissaoldham7128
    @alissaoldham7128 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would've liked to see more of Bolg in the movie I never really read any of the books but I like the idea of an angry orc cheif's son getting revenge on the ones who killed his father and finishing the war in an epic battle

    • @markbritton6798
      @markbritton6798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you liked the mythology of the story be it the hobbit & lord of the rings, i suggest you read the books in this order you will not be able to put the books down once you begin with "The Silmarillion , The hobbit & Lord of the rings,i would love the prospect to do so again for a 1st time, even though i read the silmarillion after the hobbit & lord of the rings

  • @sawyerharris7422
    @sawyerharris7422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there is one I could follow, there is one... I could call king. (dramatic music blaring)

  • @sofiedielemans99
    @sofiedielemans99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "There is one I could call king"
    I think what Peter Jackson did with the movies was incredible talented and made a (good) watchable 3 movies serie. I know that it is really different from the book, but I also think that if he just only used the book for the movies it would be incredibly boring to watch. Besides that, maybe even too childish.
    If it were just one movie then it will probably work fine, but how Peter Jackson managed to make 3 movies like that (and that while he didn't want to make those).. I'm just so impressed. In my eyes he did an amazing job with it.

  • @squlque5787
    @squlque5787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there is one I could call king....
    Azog should not have been in the hobbit.. it was cool.. but unnecessary

  • @Gandalf_Goes_Hard
    @Gandalf_Goes_Hard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is on I could call king
    And I think they should have just left azog the way he was and should be…
    …dead

  • @beautifulmarcantel8143
    @beautifulmarcantel8143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I liked Azog as the main villain. I like when directors kinda “Rewrite” elements from a book into a movie, because I would’ve loved to have seen the Hobbit movies while also reading the books, and realizing that Azog was still alive. Would’ve given me that “Wait shouldn’t he be dead? Can’t wait to see what they do now” feeling 💜

    • @gamerstheater1187
      @gamerstheater1187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They didn’t want his son to be the villain cause bolg was barely in the book and they didn’t want it to be generic revenge

    • @RingOutKO
      @RingOutKO 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tbf middle earth has this weird thing where Orcs are always talked about as a threat but they never really achieve anything meaningful or attain any degree of prominence. Azog getting altered from the original text was a great way to make a credible orcish threat in the films.

  • @johnny2hats329
    @johnny2hats329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know him as Azog the Franchise Defiler because he looks like a cgi piece of home-made soap.

  • @danielgengler4342
    @danielgengler4342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    "There is one I could call king." I think this is one of those things that would have been fixed in The Hobbit films if they had enough time for preproduction. Bolg chasing Thorin and company as revenge for his father's death at the gate would have made more sense. If they had more time, I'm sure they would have come to the same conclusion.

    • @betterhegehogShadow
      @betterhegehogShadow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. I thought the Movies were still great though. Yeah some things need to be left out but they worked HARD on them and now our dwarf s are lovable!

  • @mashedpotatoes8163
    @mashedpotatoes8163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is one I could call king!

  • @misaelfraga8196
    @misaelfraga8196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "And I thought to myself then. There is one, I could follow. There is one, I could call King." - Balin son of Fundin

    • @pianogang2273
      @pianogang2273 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Goosebumps every time! :)

  • @elizabethanne8729
    @elizabethanne8729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is one I could call King. 😔🙌🏻❤️
    On a side note, I would love a series on the lands of middle earth. Important geographic land marks and borders that changed throughout history. Like how Calenardhon was a Gondorian out post but then was given to Rohan. Is there any information about shifting territory in Dwarf lands, the Shire or elven kingdoms? And did their places of prominence or “capitals” change as a result?

  • @johnseckinger9523
    @johnseckinger9523 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    “There is one I could call king… the Broken Sword, son of the Chipped Sword, rightful ruler of the LotR community on TH-cam.”

  • @petersheffer3482
    @petersheffer3482 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call King! I am a purist when it comes to LOTR and the Hobbit. I think that switching the story of Azog was a bad idea, kind of like casting Liv Tyler in Glorfindel’s place. I love all the movies but the books rule supreme!

  • @vinizzle7000
    @vinizzle7000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    There is one that I’d call king, I think PJ should of stayed true to the book. I feel like the hobbit movies are great on their own, but having read the book I’m a bit split. Azogs character could have easily been changed to bolds character. They could have kept the same pale orc design.

    • @jonathonantonio1973
      @jonathonantonio1973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I watched a fan edit of the trilogy recently, it’s far from prefect but it’s exponentially better than the original and more importantly, more accurate. This is what they did, Azog doesn’t appear until the battle of the five armies and he’s credited as Bolg.

  • @muttamerican4863
    @muttamerican4863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Considering some orcs used to be elves they probably have a lifespan longer than every race but elves

  • @JudgeMagikarp
    @JudgeMagikarp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "There is one I could call king"

  • @rodgerbane3825
    @rodgerbane3825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The movies are NOT canon. And that's even more true of the later stuff.

  • @nickfoster9350
    @nickfoster9350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "There is one I could call king." The movies were entertaining, but I thought Azog should've been left out and Bolg the prime antagonist.

  • @johnny-td5hv
    @johnny-td5hv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i dont know if i missed it but why is he called the defiler??? who or what dose he defile?

  • @boomingbob1579
    @boomingbob1579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “ There is one I could call king “
    Azok is such an interesting character
    It was played a great actor as well

  • @daveschmidt9230
    @daveschmidt9230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There is one I could call King

  • @alexiskaleigh03
    @alexiskaleigh03 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There is one I could call King. I love Thorin! Can't wait on a video

  • @danielmirzaea8702
    @danielmirzaea8702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hi thanks for the great video and There Is One I Could Call King :D

  • @pianogang2273
    @pianogang2273 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "There is one who I could follow. There is one, I could call king."
    Goosebumps every time! :)

  • @justintallman3398
    @justintallman3398 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "What they changed about this character" he's....alive.

  • @ervus3289
    @ervus3289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is there on "the picture" some kind of azog&smeagol bastard?

  • @Bedjita87
    @Bedjita87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There Is One I Could Call King".

  • @TheDsFinest
    @TheDsFinest 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call king! I grew up on the animated Hobbit movie: short, sweet, and to the point. I loved PJ’s LOTR trilogy, so much that after seeing the Fellowship, I read the remaining two books before 2 Towers movie came out. I flipped back and referenced the map all the time…I lived in middle earth!
    As for the Hobbit trilogy, I was a little bummed. There were some really cool parts, but just too much! If I never see Legolas snowboard down stairs on a shield again, I’ll be a happy man! Respect to Tolkien, Peter Jackson, Rankin & Bass and this channel for getting me excited about the Tolkienverse all over again!!!!✌️

  • @DarrenJensen1
    @DarrenJensen1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call king. Great video

  • @princekalender2154
    @princekalender2154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Azog is an AMAZING character. The exact opposite of Tauriel, because he has a great personality, drives part of the story and having an antagonist to Thorin makes for a great balance.

  • @wiremumatenga883
    @wiremumatenga883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one, I could call KING. Massive yes to the video about Thorin Oakensheild my man deserves it.

  • @jnrjnr77
    @jnrjnr77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ''There is One I Could Call King'' cheers for the vid, love the channel man!

  • @izaforestspirit7811
    @izaforestspirit7811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There is one I could call king"

  • @sethfreed4045
    @sethfreed4045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There is one I could call king"

  • @I_The_Sports_Guy
    @I_The_Sports_Guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    According to the simarillion the first orcs were the elves that melkor/morgoth kidnapped after the elves woke up. That being said orcs are tortured deformed elves meaning they would have to still be immortal and from the first age.

  • @Loverxofxthexnight
    @Loverxofxthexnight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There Is One I Could Call King"

  • @autobotavengerfireballxl5339
    @autobotavengerfireballxl5339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there is one I could call king ,azog the defiler learned that day that the line of durin would not be so easily broken...

  • @richardbenge5376
    @richardbenge5376 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "There is one I could call King."

  • @SBFSBF09528
    @SBFSBF09528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “There is one I could call king.”

  • @piotrmontgomerytv7786
    @piotrmontgomerytv7786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would Azog win against Warcraft Orcs?

  • @DisinterestedHandjob
    @DisinterestedHandjob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I never really got the impression that Dain literally saw the balrog when he looked through the gates, but could instead sense Durin's Bane was still within.

    • @muammarbinsharif6425
      @muammarbinsharif6425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It could be the way Gandalf and the fellowship realized the balrog was coming

    • @tylerbaker5986
      @tylerbaker5986 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It never happened , it’s fiction lol

    • @zaaya7719
      @zaaya7719 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tylerbaker5986 no shit sherlock

    • @xvor_tex8577
      @xvor_tex8577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tylerbaker5986 what's the point of your comment?

    • @gamerstheater1187
      @gamerstheater1187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So all this fighting was for nothing 😂

  • @DanielJackson-SG1
    @DanielJackson-SG1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call King. Yes, please do that comparison! This video is great, I would like to see another one!

  • @ExploringAndMe
    @ExploringAndMe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do the goblin king

  • @havock89
    @havock89 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "There is one I could call king"

  • @Friendlyneighborhoodguy
    @Friendlyneighborhoodguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wasn't blog the main villain of the hobbit not azog

  • @piotrmontgomerytv7786
    @piotrmontgomerytv7786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My guess, Azog is Feanor's brother!

  • @JasonSmith-we5ls
    @JasonSmith-we5ls 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good one fellas

  • @shadowofchaos8932
    @shadowofchaos8932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is One I could call king.

  • @OnPaws.
    @OnPaws. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one I could call King!

  • @azulsamuraidiablo2766
    @azulsamuraidiablo2766 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There is one I could call king"
    If more people valued there homes more then gold the world would be a merrier place.

  • @coopmurphy9216
    @coopmurphy9216 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "There are Two I Could Call Queen" There is no more or less to say about it. I realy would kind of like to listen to an album from both Queen and Queensryche.

  • @karlmanfredvikingsandgren5537
    @karlmanfredvikingsandgren5537 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is one I could call King!

  • @mthokozisiblessingkhulu4950
    @mthokozisiblessingkhulu4950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There Is One I Could Call King