BIGGEST HOAX In The Deer Hunting Industry #14
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BIGGEST HOAX In The Deer Hunting Industry #14
The October Lull is a complete scam to sell magazines and moon guides and also to write articles about. It was made up years ago from people not understanding what happens to deer that time of year. Back then i bought into it. The fact is nothing changes. I hunt the same way i would at any other time. My advice? figure it out and hunt on
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Sorry I missed you guys I’m back! Here is the last video in the series if you missed it th-cam.com/video/gtX8aUl2V_w/w-d-xo.html
There are no absolutes in deer hunting, I've heard many myths about deer and their behavior, if your not in the woods you can't kill em, pure and simple.
I dont mind that people buy into the myth. Less pressure in the woods for me
Lol haha. Good point 👌
Amen to that lol. Shhhhhhhh don't tell em lol
😂😂😂 Some of the biggest deer I have ever taken, or seen with a bow was in the month of October.
Kendall Inman that’s right
At 86 I’m still going strong.. I have harvested over one hundred 💯 🦌 and like you all live breathe our sport year after year. You are absolutely correct in what you are articulating. I respect all my fellow archers here . To each his own .. We will continue to learn until we demise. I believe in serious hunting the day following a +/- 20° temp drop and the wind .. Never the moon 🌙 phase or barometric pressure ..my opinion only . Oct 30,2017 a 232 lb/8 pointer with a cold front passing . Good luck 👍 y’all this fall 2020.. Bring a mask and be safe !!
I don’t believe in a lull. I totally agree with what you just said about hunting pressure changing the deers daily pattern. I’ve been deer hunting on public and private land for over 40 years. I’ve seen this first hand. I believe if you spend more time in the woods scouting for fresh sign and hunting places that not many people are willing to go. You can increase your chances of seeing more deer. I’m not the best deer hunter I know but I could tag out every year If I shot just any buck, however I don’t. I usually will shoot two mature bucks a year. I have tagged out at three but it’s usually two. Those deer are killed within the first two weeks of bow season or the middle of November. I hunt in southeastern Alabama and I hunt three different tracts of land that have three different rut times. It’s rare that I don’t see deer while I’m up in a tree. If I don’t see deer it’s because they know they’re being hunted and have shifted from their pattern. A lull is just an old excuse for not seeing deer and it’s sold a lot of magazines. I’ve bought some myself when I was a younger man. I know better now.
I never hunt till late October and my daytime pictures cut in half last week of September till third week of October every year for the last 15 years. And I'm talking about cameras on Oak flats, transitional points not on corn piles and food plots that are affected by human intrusion. And thanks to cellular trail cameras I know this. Before I blamed it on myself checking the cameras. This is in most cases due to testosterone levels in the bucks and the social pressure caused by that. It even affects the doe. I also have a large enough parcel to keep over ten doe family groups and two of which are in a sanctuary that has only been accessed twice a year since acquiring cell cameras, and their movement is affected the same way. So I believe in it its not just because temperatures though. And I'm on my property every day in May and June hunting squirrel, fishing, camping, and doing management improvements. Where is my May and June Lull- shift due to hunting pressure. It doesn't happen then.
I noticed a big shift this morning on my brassica plot the deer moved in and were hammering it from 1am until 630am. I used the poor man's electric fence this year because I invest alot of money into irrigation. Ever 3 days I would walk my whole food plot to get my scent in it. And they stayed out of it. But I haven't been back there for 7 days now and they moved in heavy. I have turtle top turnips, tiller radish, sugar beets, 3 types of clover, cereal grain and i think one other thing layered in there. Its almost 2 feet tall right now. So glad I listened to you and did a soil test. Because I needed 6000 pounds of lime in that one acre to correct the soil. So happy with the results
That’s awesome man glad it worked out
Makes total sense. I see deer year round on my property but we can't hunt here.
I'm a 100 percent with you
I myself took notes for three years as far as the moon and bare metric pressure went,I wished I would of kept them,I myself was impressed by what I learned.And yes,hunting pressure is one of the worst things that does happen.Specially that goose and pheasant season and bear season start before deer season.
Yes it all plays a role. Weather is a big factor with everyday movement not just during October.
Another myth that drives me crazy is that deer don’t move in the rain. It’s not that the deer aren’t moving, it’s that you don’t want to get wet!
I knew what your topic was going to be when I saw the title. Agreed. Get out and hunt! Thanks for the video. New fan from Nor MN.
That’s right just get out and hunt. Appreciate the support 👌
I agree with you. It’s just a change in pattern. They always move, just not where there is human pressure.
That’s correct. Just a change in pattern
And don’t forget changes in pattern due to agricultural changes like harvesting that takes place in October.
Big Wally’s Service Supply yes I mentioned that in the video
I’m planting oats and brassicas is growing fast I’m wuach every episode you post man
Marcos Palafox appreciate that Marcos means a lot. Good luck this season 👊👍
You are 100% right! Most of the crap the sell at sporting goods stores are more to rip off hunters also, and the fall for it for $millions each year. Walk into a big box sporting goods stores and crap is stacked to the ceiling! I hunt the south east. There is a lot of pressure on the deer starting in September. I do feed corn, food plots. But I am quite, set still and hunt the wind. I never shoot does, I always fill the freezer with 2 great, mature bucks and a hog or two. Don't fall for all this crap! I don't believe doe urine from Michigan is good in GA. Deer and diet are different. Hunt smart if you can remember how!
Agree I saw my three shooters everyday I was at farm. Mostly in evens some morning ended up shooting one on Oct 20. Should have got it done Oct 13th but a doe winded me. I only left cabin when wind was right. Rest of time drank beer on deck with binoculars. Just as fun as hunting sometimes. Don't rush in.
Patrick Mcdaniel for sure hunt when it makes sense not because you want to
I agree with this, hunters are scouting for up comming season.
Now what I do is use a organic fertilizer early spring only using a little bit, it goes a long way. Stay out of your hunting area's ,deer are habitual they'll use them same runs to the food source year after year.
I'll be switching my game camera's to those that send pictures and videos to your phone, yeah I know their pricey but you eliminate your human scent, as far as that scent eliminating clothes for hunting I think that is a hoax as well...
HUNT WITH the WIND!! If one stand isn't right because of the wind, hunt the one that is...
Good luck!
Yeah the fertilizer is for the oak tree's white and red, almost forgot to tell y'all...
It's called October suspended animation 👍
You've theorized every aspect given the time and conditions of the year!!
Two thumbs up on this one, however, too much imfo...lol
Outstanding video as always Dave
You need to delete this video. You are ruining my October chances of being out there by myself. Dammit.
Common sense goes along way.dont always believe what you here or read use your common sense think it out.like he says.thank you.
What action cam you useing on your walking footage.
Go pro hero 7
Follow the food if you can. Deer live and die by their stomach. Good information Dave.
That’s correct appreciate the comment
So you literally say the October lull is a hoax and doesn't happen then outline all the factors that make up the october lull cool story bro additionally the the reason deer move better in aug during the day time did you ever notice how a deers coat changes color right at about Sept its called a winter coat so yes and 80 degree day in Oct is different than a 90 degree day in July or Aug and lastly an adult deer will consume 15-17 lbs of forage a day not 5-6. The October lull happens because deer are switching patterns and feeling more pressure bucks become nocturnal and does stick to thicker cover and their core area shrinks this is still the october lull happening doesnt make it a hoax.
Cody Gilbert cool sorry bro
I agree with the lull is crap. Here in Oklahoma the deer are going to the acorns and persimmons. If it’s hot go sit on water sources. I have pics of big bucks on water and on my oaks. Good info.
Thanks for the comment and that’s right. Just a shift in food source movement 👊
Whitetail obsession outdoors it’s ridiculous how everything is turning into a commercial racket. Whatever happened to go hunt, go fish. As a teacher I have to fight my kids parents because they buy into this garbage. I tell my students go into the woods and then here come the stories of “ oh man coach I missed a big one or pics of look what I got. “
I agree with you but in October their fur is getting longer and thicker. In August it’s a thin red coat to reflect heat. Their October coat is darker and thicker so heat would affect them much more.
But I do agree that it’s a cop out for those who just can’t find deer
Ok. There hair changes no big deal. If hot in October they just move to a cooler area like we do. They move back in the timber where there is a breeze like we would do. Doesn’t mean they don’t move or won’t feed. Just have to find them. 👍
How to plant a food plot super good and best brands for it
My friends don't want to sit in a stand when its raining or snowing. I've seen many deer moving during those times even though people say they don't
Deer don't take days off and neither do I
It's not all pressure. Deer abandon fields for oak drops overnight. The heat does have something to do with it as well, once you have that late September cool off, and then a warm up, it makes the deer much more nocturnal. Outfitters who blame the October lull are either too lazy to move the stands or don't want to hit their rut spots in October until the bucks start running.
Deer don’t go nocturnal they eat 5 times a day. They just aren’t on your land until night time which makes people think they go “nocturnal”
They still feed 5 times a day and eat 4-6 pounds of food per day
When it's hot do people like to move around no!!!so nether does deer .your smart friends will keep you from sweating your but off
So i guess if it’s hot then you’ll just starve to death.
The moon guide doesn't say anything about the october lull. I've killed a lot of bucks in mid october. The moon guide just tell you the "best" day that deer should move based on the position of the moon to the earth. I agree there is no October lull! It's all human pressure or lack of pressure.
They also used to base moon with the October lull. Even then moon guides are also a hoax
@@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors everyone has there own thing. If you don't beleive in the moon guide that's your opinion. I've killed 5 bucks over 160" hunting that way. So take it or leave it.
Never heard of it.
WW Outdoors then you have nothing to worry about.
I have killed most of my deer in oct. My biggest deer was 2 years ago on oct 12. So i completely agree with u.
Valerie Calhoun awesome congrats
I have never heard of something so ridiculous, but I don't read any of the hunting magazines. I have never seen magazine editors out in the woods where I hunt, so I am pretty sure they can't tell me dick about what happens out there. Sounds like you are on the right path now, and your putting in the time out in the woods, figuring it out.
Great video but there really is an October lull. Lull meaning lack of activity which is in relation to how far and much they move during daylight hours. They definitely are more nocturnal after opening day due to pressure. Nocturnal meaning more activity at night rather than day. They certainly eat just as much during October as you’ve said but they clearly don’t travel as far as in the summer or late winter months hence the “October lull”. There’s a reason people begin getting less photos on trail cameras around October and then pick back up in November. I believe a lot of people take “October Lull” the wrong way as in deer don’t move, they always move. Great video though and very good points
“Get new friends” LOL goddamn right. That was my policy shortly after the age of 25. If you pay close attention youl find that most people are a freakin liability. I have very very few friends these days and absolutely love it.
Back when i was in my upper teens and early 20s i bow hunted quite a bit. Back then i loved October. I had about 400 acres between 3 people behind my house and they all let me hunt. One year i decided i'd cut my trips down from nearly every day to about once a week. When i did that i killed a deer every time i went. My hunting buddy hated me because he was always competitive wanting to out do me. I on the other hand just wanted to be in the woods that time of year no matter if i killed anything or not. For a number of years after that October was my time to shine but i'd usually keep one tag open so i could hunt the rut. Back then ehd wasn't so bad and we where allowed a lot more deer in a season then we are now. There was usually no more then 1-2 other people would hunt my area maybe a time or two a piece back then for the whole year. Now with inner ear trouble and blood pressure that goes up and down like crazy i stay out of the trees and just wait till muzzleloader season. I have hunted since i was 7yrs old and two things i can tell you for certain is deer don't like human scent everywhere so people in the woods wise them up fast. Also a deer will walk over ten corn piles and past a 50 acre soybean field to get to one good tree that is dropping a bunch of acorns. Deer change their patters every single year for a hund full of reasons, they always have and always will. October is a great time to hunt so don't waste it!
agree with you. i never had any luck with moon guild i have better luck with the barometer 29.80º. i been watch deer for 20 years here in maryland i notice in September the deer leave the field and go into the woods. for years i could not figure it out, then it hit me when i trip over the acorns. they are looking for acorns. i never was a field hunter, so i did not see the October issue. the only problem i did not see much deer in the fields. when i start hunting acorns mainly white oaks i see alot of deer. they may move more at night but i put that on hunting pressure. when you tell people this they argue because TV hunter told them the deer dont move in October. i tell people get a barometer and make notes when you see deer and the barometer pressure and find the sweet spot. for me deer will move when the pressure is 28.70º and 28.90º. yes they move anytime but some reason this is the sweet spot anything over 30.00º and 29.60º deer dont move. now i have corn out all year in my yard with 10+ deer coming every day. September the deer dont come to the corn as much. its almost prove my theory. deer love acorns and they are much better for them. the beans are tough for them to eat and the corn is ok but hard to digest. i dont know why but most hunter hunt the fields i guess because people see deer in the fields and they think deer comes to the fields all of the time. i like to hunt the bedding and always had. i did not hear the October issue until i watch the dury videos and never could under stand the October because i see more deer in October than September. October is a better hunt for me because it way cooler and i can control my scent better because I, not sweating like a pig in my stand.
Your 100% right bud thank you for saying that thought I was the only one that saw that
Steve Porter outdoors thanks Steve
I have killed some nice bucks during the " October Lull " while my buddies believe the deer have disappeared lol and I get all the good hunting properties to myself. I have killed most of the bucks I was after during the october lull and late season when a lot of people in my area have given up.
That’s awesome congrats
Yep most people will quit hunting here after Thanksgiving. It's unreal!
🙌🏽 🙌🏽 🙌🏽
Where I hunt October is THE month to be in the woods because of the layout of the property (pastures with minimal trees). When the oaks start dropping acorns in the few wood lots we have you better get to it.
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I hear him say "October Law" And I say " what are you talking about?"
That's absolutely correct.
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The deer are just breaking up from bachelor groups and switching food sources, you just need to adjust with them.
Been sayn.
16 point Illinois buck October 14th last year right before dark! Don't believe the hype!
So true, there are lots of negative hunters out there. I think a lot of them are lazy and use it as an excuse tell November hits and they truck hunt with there rifles lol
Travis Marshall probably lol.
Kinda like the pre rut post rut crap. It’s all the rut. Lol I like it early and late. Halloween and thanksgiving
That’s right lol.
I live in Idaho and there isn't a food plot for 50 miles of where I hunt in the mountains of Idaho everywhere is feeding and bedding. Not the least amount of hunting pressure and October trail cam pics are still mostly at night.
Hunting pressure. They go some place else move onto your property at night. Also acorns
Nice explanation 👌
Thanks 🙏
So,,, another name for the changes in patterns/habitat changing/food sources/ect - Is the Lull........
No. It all changes throughout the entire year. It’s no different then any other time.
Good to see you back. Hope your opening hunt went good
Thanks josh. It was a fun time and I got to see some amazing deer. I passed a really nice buck but main thing is we had fun.
Were I hunt deer sightings would drop,later scouting found 10 persimmon trees put camers up and all the deer that use to be in plot on persimmons all night long.
That’s right just a shift of movement related to food sources
I can’t be the only one who’s never heard of the October law, I’m not sure what it is but here in Arkansas the deer move more and in November they shut down more.
Lull. Yup November they are in lockdown here. Last 2 weeks in October have always been great. Bucks start to seek
I always thought October lull referred to
Deer move everyday.
Yes I know...
I always thought October low referred to Bucks locking down with doze not the Heat
No that would be referred to as the lock
Down.
All always read those hunting magazines and to get alot of information , now I just gotta get the deer to read them
Lol
You just gave the most awesome explanations for October Lull.
Thanks Ben really appreciate that a lot 👍👊
Absolutely correct. It’s a change from summer patterns to fall patterns. Feeding and pressure
Thanks appreciate the comment
Thanks for the straight talk. All these hoaxes about hunting are getting rediculous. Just subbed 👍👍
lol you are welcome. There is definitely a lot of them. Thanks for the sub 👌
When I was told about it being to hot in October, it was understood pressure. I've heard it my whole life. Hunt the perimeter and don't pressure the center of the land your hunting. Simple.
tiptopper da grasshopper yes for sure
Never heard anyone except yourself that linked the lull to temperature ;)
It’s to hot I guess I won’t eat today... lol
Totally agree with you. I never believed in that bull ever. I shot more deer in the PA. october archery season than any other time of the year.
Yup same here.
"They have to eat, 4 or 5 times a day... ya know figure it out guys" - no truer words have been spoken 😂 no better way to bluntly state it great video 👍
Yeha lol thanks
Terrific video, good luck this season, I'll be looking for oak trees myself
Perfect same to you
sounds like you got caught holding a snipe bag over night
Pat Runkel lol
Awesome info, I agree with you 100%. Thank you!
Thanks 🙏
You are correct!
I am sometimes 🤣👊👍
Well that just makes too dam much sense. Knock it off! Lol
racerdaveracerdave 😂😂
I laugh every time I hear guys chalk up their bad hunting habits or just plain ignorance to the October lull. Its laziness and bad hunting habits. Be it scent control or stand access and exit. They are out there 24/7 Just not where they know you are gonna be. Be a predator not a lazy human that watches to many monster bucks dvds.
Ernie White for sure
Till this video I never heard of this “October Law”.
Julius James it’s a so called thing for sure lol. I’ve heard about it going back 20 years
Primarily an eastern whitetail thing?
Usually to hot for me though. Ha! Ha!
Lol same here sometimes
100%
U SAID IT, ACORNS
When them things drop you better find them and sit next to it lol
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT THERE IS HERE IN WEST VIRGINIA THERE ACORNS TREES OF ALL KINDS EVERYWHERE, GOOD FOR THE DEER, HARD FOR THE HUNTER, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, BUT THE DEER DON'T PLAY LIKE THE PLAY BOOK. LOL
I taught you well, grasshopper....
Yeah ok here we go 🥴🤦♂️🙄
I disagree I have been hunting for 30 yrs and every year around Oct 20th all of my pics are at nite and for that week they are transitioning to the rut has nothing to do with hunting pressure the season is already 5 weeks old at that point and I see deer up to that week