Yeah I know that will change things, but 15mm is the more common stroke, so that’s why I use it for comparisons (I also don’t have anything with a longer stroke).
I love the Lake Country HDO pads. Those things are amazing. A little pricier, but amazing. I also have the various UDOS pads which are great too. I don't have an UDOS polisher but thought the pads might be a good choice so I bought them. They are very well made pads and are similar to the HDO pads in durability. The only problem is they don't have 3" size pads in the UDOS so I had to go with the HDO for 3" pads. I just bought the DIY Red Jeweling Pads but haven't had the chance to use them yet. I got them for glazing my paint. I actually prefer the waffle style pads although I know there is an argument that the flat pads are better because more of the pad hits the paint. I guess it's all a matter of preference. I think the waffle pads are a little more forgiving for beginner polishers just learning to polish/compound, but again, that's just my own opinion after detailing for 45 years. I did watch something from SEMA and Ivan said they redesigned the RED pads or went with a new vendor, something like that but their is an upgraded one coming soon, but they won't be shipping out the new ones until they get rid of their stock of current RED pads. I have a bunch of different kinds of polishers so I am going to try it out on my Makita 8mm 6050 forced rotation polisher which is one of my favorite polishers because you can switch between forced rotation and DA on the fly, literally with the flip of a switch. And even though it's only an 8mm, the forced rotation ramps up the effectiveness quite a bit. And then I can quickly flip the switch to finish out in the DA mode. GREAT POLISHER and great feature although it's a corded polisher. I wish it was a battery powered polisher although Makita may have since upgraded or added a battery version of the same polisher. It's a quite expensive polisher though compared to other polishers on the market. It was my second forced rotation after the Flex 3401. I have them both and I actually much prefer using the Makita over the Flex forced rotation. And the Makita Forced is easier to control on the panel in my opinion against the Flex. I also have a 15mm throw cordless machine, the Flex KOMPAKT rotary, and the smaller Flex PXE-80 which is the polisher I use the most. Thank you for your honest reviews and opinions, it is very much appreciated.
I used the DIY Detail full polishing system (as well as the Lake Country Pad Washer) on a 2018 Mercedes GLE43 last week and could barely get it to cut whatsoever. I started with the yellow waffle pad and decided to move up to the wool after not seeing any improvement and still wasn’t happy with the results at all. Even tried two sprays instead of one. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I was using a 15mm Milwaukee polisher whereas Yvan says they are designed for longer throw. It just through me off a little bit and I wish I had more time with the car to play with other combos as I have heard good things about their pads and the gold standard polish. Thanks for the video
Yeah I will try to line up a detail and use the full system (or a much as I can - not really a rotary guy) and see how well it handles. Hopefully get something lined up soon in a couple weeks.
I too recently used DIY's yellow waffle pad and their wool pad. I had the same experience - hardly no cutting/correction, plus the pads just didn't feel as smooth as the Lake Country's - they are worth the extra $ in my opinion...
Correct if you look at some of their work on their channel, at least a lot yet to be worked out which they caveat by saying they don’t strive for perfection just client satisfaction.
I use a similar polish (Optimum Hyper Polish and Compound). I bought the Optimum pads, and while they were fine, I tried the polish with my old favorites, the green, bkue, and red Hex Logic. I also jave the same foams in a flat version by Buff and Shine. I added Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool pads for heavy cut. The green cuts better than the Optimum orange foam. It also finishes better. So I got rid of the Opti pads in favor of the Hex pads. We used the LC HDO at work, but the grey interface foam wouldn't hold up.
I heard that some lake country pads eat themselves (hydro tech I believe). I have buff and shine flat and lake country CCS for foams, then an assortment of microfibres from buff and shine and car pro. A lot of my pads are on their last legs from heat and pressure (I was a bit hard of them in their past).
I was just in Spain at a training center for a major European pad/foam manufacturer. They said thinner pads are better than thicker pads and waffle, ccs, or any special pad is just a marketing gimmicks. They don't do anything better than a flat pad.
Waffle pads aren’t new, whether or not they make as much of a difference as stated is something worth testing but you’d honestly need some seriously sophisticated equipment to measure heat transfer evenly with a polishing set.
Good comparison and a surprising result (I thought the DIY ones were going to be the better performing ones). I think it is worth noting that Yvan designed his system specifically for his polishing style (cut with large orbit DA, finish with rotary) and ideally his polishers (25mm DA and rotary at 600 rpm). I'm wondering if the results might have been different with a 25mm DA vs the 15mm. The red pad is usable on a large orbit DA, however it is really tuned for low speed rotary or small orbit DA. DIY Detail's line is definitely geared towards providing a simple and very safe system that will give great results for the vast majority of DIY enthusiasts and for the general public that maybe doesn't have the detailer's eye. Can an experienced detailer get better results with different methods and products? Sure, but most people aren't going to notice the difference and it is likely going to be messed up anyways through improper washing or its going to be undone by careless kids, wives, relatives, friends, mechanics or the average idiot who is parking next to you. There is a lot to be said for preserving the factory paint (which is getting thinner and thinner all the time) and doing conservative one step enhancements. All in all, there are a lot of great systems out there that give excellent results. For those just starting out, pick a system and learn it before mixing and matching with different pads/liquids. The one exception I've found to this rule is if you're taking a recommendation from an experienced detailer who you are learning from and trying to emulate their style. I've had outstanding results with The Last Cut compound on RUPES wool pads, and finishing with Hyper Polish on a RUPES yellow foam. That has been a staple of The Rag Company guys for a long time and it works without fail for the vast majority of the two step corrections I've done.
Yeah there is more than one way to “skin” a car, my goal was to take a beginner friendly polishing system and compare it to a budget friend one while keeping the machine and polish the same. In the grand scheme of things the DIY system is affordable (polish is used sparingly, pad washing reduces pad count), but the pads are not entry level priced (or built). It’s good to know that Gold Standard can work with other pads and provide good results, and still carry the on with pad washing.
Hello. Can I get some advice. I have the Kochchemie P602 one cut finish compound. It’s a one step polish compound. I plan on using this with the harbor freight rotary cordless buffer. What pads do you recommend for me as a first time diy weekend warrior. My car is a 2019 Avalon. It has never been buffed and it has some moderate scratches on the hood. What polishing pads would you recommend for my set up and the results I’m looking for. Thank you
The lake country SDO pads are good, but you might want to look into something rotary specific, or purchase a dual action / random orbital polisher (or look into what Koch Chemie recommends for that polish). Toyota paint is fairly soft and although rotary’s are not a guarantee of damage/issues, they need to be respected. The cheapest DA with 8mm orbit will still do a great job and you can save the rotary for when you have time to learn it.
I have been using Lake Country pads for years now, I get very good results even when compared to far more expensive pads from other manufacturers. I have both the flat SDO pads like you used here and the CCS SDO pads (dimpled like a golf ball), I prefer the CCS pads. Lake Country does state that the black pad provides little to no cutting on the paint. I have never tried any product from DIY. Is there a video forthcoming in which you compare the results from using all 3 pads as a 3 step polishing system between the Lake Country and DIY?
I currently don’t have one of those in the works, DIY themselves have many videos featuring the system. Typically it’s supposed to be wool DA and red rotary as a 2 step, the yellow pad doesn’t really factor in as a in between cut, It’s the one step pad which is why I think it could be slightly more aggressive.
For me generally it is that I do not like cutting with foam. I think a good quality medium pad like the LC Orange or the Rupes Yellow is a great choice for most, if I had to pick a set of three pads I’d recommend it would be the orange HDO/SDO, the orange HDO Microfiber (magic pad for one steps) and the short Fiber LC hybrid wool (the DIY cutting hybrids foam wool pad is very similar but with a foam backing).
I have had a foamed wool pad from LC before but it fell apart. I may have been a bit aggressive with it (used on dead headlights mostly) but this does make me want to explore some options. With pad washing and variable pads instead of variable polishes you can get around a car much, much faster. I just never need to do multiple step polishing for the types of details I do (not needed/not paid for).
@@sheepstardetail I have the Lake Country HDO Microfibre Heavy Cutting pad that has a foam back on it, it basically fell apart. I bought a second one in case it was something I did and was much more careful with it but it too fell apart. The face of the pad was fine, it was the foam backing that fell apart. One of the only products from LC that I haven't been happy with.
Id like to see 3D one or another good one step like scholl S20 black used with both sets of pads against gold standard . Although , im just being lazy as i have all of that stuff myself. But noone would get to see it 😊 Thx for the video.
The DIY pads are cool but aren't the cutting masters that i thought they will be (especially their wool pad, cuts medium for me compared to other well known EU brand) but working with them is pretty fine, easy 4 sure. Still one thing that eliminates thier lineup 4 me is the insane markup in Poland for them, for 3 of their pads i can get 5-6 other pads. Not trying to bash just sharing my honest opinion. Cheers!
@@sheepstardetail That's good to hear, haven't used it much (only used it once if I'm honest) and I'm drowning in different polishes (and I do mean it, have like 2,5L of different stuff ranging from Gold standard to 3d one to KCX h9 and my fav - Sonax PF), need to use it a bit more but it's winter time so no polishing for me sadly. Great vid, good shots of what this stuff can do and loved the comparison to LC as it is popular around our parts. Cheers!
My thoughts as well. They are a good starting point when you don’t want any complications but still want to do an effective polishing job. I’m trying to like up a car where I use the full system, stay tuned for that.
At the end of ur last video it got me thinking for a few days regarding current companies and new companies releasing their own product and basically competing on the same market lol! Then it hit me as i went to our shelves to check and see what has been our go to or deferred product and which one from the new companies have been in used a lot as well (i discard products at the of each year so were always up to date on fresh chemicals each year). The conclusion is where still on the 3M, SONAX, 3D, Griots,Adams, Kamikaze, Gyeon, Carpro, Gtechnique , koch chemie and Jimbo and Dallas Paint correction where the only two from this year out of the products I bought and we tried and tested have been in constant use against our OG products which means their able to hang and hold their own. btw our process is a little bit different so take my comment as a grain of salt just like we use rigid backing plates (some aluminum and acrylic) and thin foam pad, we cut the regular pad in the middle and basically able to have two pads in one if were out on the thin pads because i believe this process is far more efficient that thick pads that simples wobbles around the surface and having a rigid backing plate helps on that and the goal for polishing imho is to flatten the surface and having a thick and non rigid backing plate gives us less feel on the material were tying to polish, just think of it when u color sand a car how much faster and how flat the surface is u use a soft compared to a rigid sanding block. And i think Rupes have caught up on this and started incorporating it on their line up which made me excited, at least more and more people will see and able to learn and use this technique.
Good video! And that one moment of comedy relief was a nice addition, lol
I need to add more of those, but they take a surprising amount of time.
Thanks for taking the time to test. As noted our pads are designed for use on longer stroke machines, and the red for a Rotary.
Yeah I know that will change things, but 15mm is the more common stroke, so that’s why I use it for comparisons (I also don’t have anything with a longer stroke).
@@sheepstardetail agree, it would be very unusual for most DIY reconditioners to own a 21 mm throw
Thank you for sharing all this information. You make great videos and appreciate your honesty.
Keep the videos coming!
Thanks man!
Really like using the DIY pads. Their system works very well together
Great review. Love the objectivity.
Darling! Just adding this to my watch list for later on as I am interested!
I love the Lake Country HDO pads. Those things are amazing. A little pricier, but amazing. I also have the various UDOS pads which are great too. I don't have an UDOS polisher but thought the pads might be a good choice so I bought them. They are very well made pads and are similar to the HDO pads in durability. The only problem is they don't have 3" size pads in the UDOS so I had to go with the HDO for 3" pads. I just bought the DIY Red Jeweling Pads but haven't had the chance to use them yet. I got them for glazing my paint. I actually prefer the waffle style pads although I know there is an argument that the flat pads are better because more of the pad hits the paint. I guess it's all a matter of preference. I think the waffle pads are a little more forgiving for beginner polishers just learning to polish/compound, but again, that's just my own opinion after detailing for 45 years. I did watch something from SEMA and Ivan said they redesigned the RED pads or went with a new vendor, something like that but their is an upgraded one coming soon, but they won't be shipping out the new ones until they get rid of their stock of current RED pads. I have a bunch of different kinds of polishers so I am going to try it out on my Makita 8mm 6050 forced rotation polisher which is one of my favorite polishers because you can switch between forced rotation and DA on the fly, literally with the flip of a switch. And even though it's only an 8mm, the forced rotation ramps up the effectiveness quite a bit. And then I can quickly flip the switch to finish out in the DA mode. GREAT POLISHER and great feature although it's a corded polisher. I wish it was a battery powered polisher although Makita may have since upgraded or added a battery version of the same polisher. It's a quite expensive polisher though compared to other polishers on the market. It was my second forced rotation after the Flex 3401. I have them both and I actually much prefer using the Makita over the Flex forced rotation. And the Makita Forced is easier to control on the panel in my opinion against the Flex. I also have a 15mm throw cordless machine, the Flex KOMPAKT rotary, and the smaller Flex PXE-80 which is the polisher I use the most. Thank you for your honest reviews and opinions, it is very much appreciated.
Thank you! Good to know for the value in Canada. Charlottetown PE
This guy is naturally interesting. Good Video 🎉
Putting the sexy back in monotone.
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@ I think it may be the fact you don’t have to try hard to be funny, it’s your demeanor.
My cat stops what she’s doing whenever this guys videos come on.
@@Samuelfish2k she know’s I’m allergic
I used the DIY Detail full polishing system (as well as the Lake Country Pad Washer) on a 2018 Mercedes GLE43 last week and could barely get it to cut whatsoever. I started with the yellow waffle pad and decided to move up to the wool after not seeing any improvement and still wasn’t happy with the results at all. Even tried two sprays instead of one. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I was using a 15mm Milwaukee polisher whereas Yvan says they are designed for longer throw. It just through me off a little bit and I wish I had more time with the car to play with other combos as I have heard good things about their pads and the gold standard polish. Thanks for the video
Yeah I will try to line up a detail and use the full system (or a much as I can - not really a rotary guy) and see how well it handles. Hopefully get something lined up soon in a couple weeks.
I too recently used DIY's yellow waffle pad and their wool pad. I had the same experience - hardly no cutting/correction, plus the pads just didn't feel as smooth as the Lake Country's - they are worth the extra $ in my opinion...
Correct if you look at some of their work on their channel, at least a lot yet to be worked out which they caveat by saying they don’t strive for perfection just client satisfaction.
Great video once again
Thank you!
I use a similar polish (Optimum Hyper Polish and Compound).
I bought the Optimum pads, and while they were fine, I tried the polish with my old favorites, the green, bkue, and red Hex Logic. I also jave the same foams in a flat version by Buff and Shine. I added Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool pads for heavy cut.
The green cuts better than the Optimum orange foam. It also finishes better. So I got rid of the Opti pads in favor of the Hex pads.
We used the LC HDO at work, but the grey interface foam wouldn't hold up.
I heard that some lake country pads eat themselves (hydro tech I believe). I have buff and shine flat and lake country CCS for foams, then an assortment of microfibres from buff and shine and car pro. A lot of my pads are on their last legs from heat and pressure (I was a bit hard of them in their past).
Nice test. I think either could be a good starter set for most situations. Hard to know what will work best for every paint
Yeah the whole system is very forgiving for a beginner.
I was just in Spain at a training center for a major European pad/foam manufacturer. They said thinner pads are better than thicker pads and waffle, ccs, or any special pad is just a marketing gimmicks. They don't do anything better than a flat pad.
Waffle pads aren’t new, whether or not they make as much of a difference as stated is something worth testing but you’d honestly need some seriously sophisticated equipment to measure heat transfer evenly with a polishing set.
Good comparison and a surprising result (I thought the DIY ones were going to be the better performing ones). I think it is worth noting that Yvan designed his system specifically for his polishing style (cut with large orbit DA, finish with rotary) and ideally his polishers (25mm DA and rotary at 600 rpm). I'm wondering if the results might have been different with a 25mm DA vs the 15mm.
The red pad is usable on a large orbit DA, however it is really tuned for low speed rotary or small orbit DA. DIY Detail's line is definitely geared towards providing a simple and very safe system that will give great results for the vast majority of DIY enthusiasts and for the general public that maybe doesn't have the detailer's eye.
Can an experienced detailer get better results with different methods and products? Sure, but most people aren't going to notice the difference and it is likely going to be messed up anyways through improper washing or its going to be undone by careless kids, wives, relatives, friends, mechanics or the average idiot who is parking next to you. There is a lot to be said for preserving the factory paint (which is getting thinner and thinner all the time) and doing conservative one step enhancements.
All in all, there are a lot of great systems out there that give excellent results. For those just starting out, pick a system and learn it before mixing and matching with different pads/liquids. The one exception I've found to this rule is if you're taking a recommendation from an experienced detailer who you are learning from and trying to emulate their style. I've had outstanding results with The Last Cut compound on RUPES wool pads, and finishing with Hyper Polish on a RUPES yellow foam. That has been a staple of The Rag Company guys for a long time and it works without fail for the vast majority of the two step corrections I've done.
Yeah there is more than one way to “skin” a car, my goal was to take a beginner friendly polishing system and compare it to a budget friend one while keeping the machine and polish the same. In the grand scheme of things the DIY system is affordable (polish is used sparingly, pad washing reduces pad count), but the pads are not entry level priced (or built). It’s good to know that Gold Standard can work with other pads and provide good results, and still carry the on with pad washing.
Thankyou very interesting video, I too would like to see you using 3d one !🇬🇧
I guess I’ll have to grab that and a swirly car!
Hello. Can I get some advice. I have the Kochchemie P602 one cut finish compound. It’s a one step polish compound.
I plan on using this with the harbor freight rotary cordless buffer.
What pads do you recommend for me as a first time diy weekend warrior.
My car is a 2019 Avalon. It has never been buffed and it has some moderate scratches on the hood.
What polishing pads would you recommend for my set up and the results I’m looking for. Thank you
The lake country SDO pads are good, but you might want to look into something rotary specific, or purchase a dual action / random orbital polisher (or look into what Koch Chemie recommends for that polish). Toyota paint is fairly soft and although rotary’s are not a guarantee of damage/issues, they need to be respected. The cheapest DA with 8mm orbit will still do a great job and you can save the rotary for when you have time to learn it.
@ I see. I will definitely take heed to your advice. You’re 100% correct. Thank you 😊
I have been using Lake Country pads for years now, I get very good results even when compared to far more expensive pads from other manufacturers. I have both the flat SDO pads like you used here and the CCS SDO pads (dimpled like a golf ball), I prefer the CCS pads. Lake Country does state that the black pad provides little to no cutting on the paint. I have never tried any product from DIY.
Is there a video forthcoming in which you compare the results from using all 3 pads as a 3 step polishing system between the Lake Country and DIY?
I currently don’t have one of those in the works, DIY themselves have many videos featuring the system. Typically it’s supposed to be wool DA and red rotary as a 2 step, the yellow pad doesn’t really factor in as a in between cut, It’s the one step pad which is why I think it could be slightly more aggressive.
For me generally it is that I do not like cutting with foam. I think a good quality medium pad like the LC Orange or the Rupes Yellow is a great choice for most, if I had to pick a set of three pads I’d recommend it would be the orange HDO/SDO, the orange HDO Microfiber (magic pad for one steps) and the short Fiber LC hybrid wool (the DIY cutting hybrids foam wool pad is very similar but with a foam backing).
I have had a foamed wool pad from LC before but it fell apart. I may have been a bit aggressive with it (used on dead headlights mostly) but this does make me want to explore some options. With pad washing and variable pads instead of variable polishes you can get around a car much, much faster. I just never need to do multiple step polishing for the types of details I do (not needed/not paid for).
@@sheepstardetail I have the Lake Country HDO Microfibre Heavy Cutting pad that has a foam back on it, it basically fell apart. I bought a second one in case it was something I did and was much more careful with it but it too fell apart. The face of the pad was fine, it was the foam backing that fell apart. One of the only products from LC that I haven't been happy with.
Id like to see 3D one or another good one step like scholl S20 black used with both sets of pads against gold standard . Although , im just being lazy as i have all of that stuff myself. But noone would get to see it 😊 Thx for the video.
I discovered I have access to 3D one, maybe in the future when I can line up a good sized panel on a detail.
@@sheepstardetailnice. Like your straight forward, no bullshit, honest approach
Kinda wish I saw this video before I ordered from DIY a couple of hours before it came out. Oh well, at least it was on sale. 😂
They are still good pads and depending on the paint, might actually be the better choice depending on your machine.
The DIY pads are cool but aren't the cutting masters that i thought they will be (especially their wool pad, cuts medium for me compared to other well known EU brand) but working with them is pretty fine, easy 4 sure. Still one thing that eliminates thier lineup 4 me is the insane markup in Poland for them, for 3 of their pads i can get 5-6 other pads. Not trying to bash just sharing my honest opinion. Cheers!
Yeah, what’s why I highlighted pricing. They work well but their “system” does perform with other pads if you need to save some money.
@@sheepstardetail That's good to hear, haven't used it much (only used it once if I'm honest) and I'm drowning in different polishes (and I do mean it, have like 2,5L of different stuff ranging from Gold standard to 3d one to KCX h9 and my fav - Sonax PF), need to use it a bit more but it's winter time so no polishing for me sadly. Great vid, good shots of what this stuff can do and loved the comparison to LC as it is popular around our parts. Cheers!
Their ok. I have used better and cheaper ones.
My thoughts as well. They are a good starting point when you don’t want any complications but still want to do an effective polishing job. I’m trying to like up a car where I use the full system, stay tuned for that.
At the end of ur last video it got me thinking for a few days regarding current companies and new companies releasing their own product and basically competing on the same market lol! Then it hit me as i went to our shelves to check and see what has been our go to or deferred product and which one from the new companies have been in used a lot as well (i discard products at the of each year so were always up to date on fresh chemicals each year). The conclusion is where still on the 3M, SONAX, 3D, Griots,Adams, Kamikaze, Gyeon, Carpro, Gtechnique , koch chemie and Jimbo and Dallas Paint correction where the only two from this year out of the products I bought and we tried and tested have been in constant use against our OG products which means their able to hang and hold their own. btw our process is a little bit different so take my comment as a grain of salt just like we use rigid backing plates (some aluminum and acrylic) and thin foam pad, we cut the regular pad in the middle and basically able to have two pads in one if were out on the thin pads because i believe this process is far more efficient that thick pads that simples wobbles around the surface and having a rigid backing plate helps on that and the goal for polishing imho is to flatten the surface and having a thick and non rigid backing plate gives us less feel on the material were tying to polish, just think of it when u color sand a car how much faster and how flat the surface is u use a soft compared to a rigid sanding block. And i think Rupes have caught up on this and started incorporating it on their line up which made me excited, at least more and more people will see and able to learn and use this technique.