Matt Chat 90: Wasteland and Fallout with Brian Fargo
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ม.ค. 2011
- In the second segment of my interview with industry legend, Brian Fargo and I talk about Wasteland, Fallout, Stonekeep, and more. We also chat about modern CRPGs and why the 80s style (parties and turn-based) went away.
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Wow, this should have gone on for MUCH longer! You asked some great questions, Matt, and Brians answers were always interesting and often kind of eye-opening. Great interview! Brian is such a legend, and your channel is great! Thanks! :)
Great series! I've been looking forward to this interview all week.
This is so awesome. Interplay was on a large portion of my game boxes as a kid.
You have no idea on how long I've been waiting for this one!
Those Star Trek games were so good. I need to fire one of those up again.
Always good to see you asking the tough questions and holding high the old school banner ;)
Great interview! It made me feel something....A longing to do something as prolific as him....To work on a project with others that is seen as cool or innovative. You stumped him with a question. Its rare that an interviewer asks such a good question that the one being interviewed says "heh, I never really thought about that"!
Thanks, I'm looking forward to the next episode! :D
That quote spoke directly to me, as someone making a spiritual successor to Fallout without much hope of ever getting paid for it.
Amazing interview!
I played a lot of Wasteland with my older brother. This video brings back some strong memories. Wasteland and Legacy of the Ancients were my favorites, as they really captured my imagination. Something newer games don’t often seem to do for me.
I don’t know if it is because I am older or simply the game design. The older games seemed to demand more on the player while the new games just force feed everything with graphics and voice acting.
Great interview as usual, Matt! I am happy to say that while I didn't play a lot of these games back in the day, YOU introduced me to a lot of these classics with your Matt Chats! I agree with you that newer games I find much less engaging than the classics, but it gets hard at times to pinpoint exactly what's missing. I find that with a lot of art forms nowadays in fact.... I think that honestly it might just have something to do with the designers' love for the finished product...
love these videos!
Hey Matt, glad to see your getting more views these days. Love what you do, these guys are the unsung heroes of modern American culture. They're artists operating in a profit driven business, and it seems absurd to me that the only time they have the opportunity to really exact their artistic vision is when the marketing and sales folks have little respect for the profitability of their projects... until they're actually released and become best sellers. Then all of sudden they take notice.
Yeah the descendant of Wells Fargo family being kept down by capitalism
This os so cool, love the interview, Brian Fargo is my uncle so I had a front seat to all his cool awesome games ( Interplay) now Inxile, all great stuff and much more to come. I played my ucles games when I was very young.
XOXO 💋
That must have been an awesome childhood!!!
Matt, I love your shows. I sympathize with you about the difficulty of finding a solid RPG experience these days, and I wanted to tell you about an open source RPG engine I've gotten into, which you may have heard of. It is RuneSword II. The really great thing about it is the modularity. Anyone can write adventures ("tomes") for it. It can also auto-generate tomes. Also, your characters carry over from tome to tome, bringing with them the XP and items gained. Keep up the good work Matt!
Dude, how did you get Brian Fargo? :)
Great interview! Yes, I wish they can bring back turn based combat and parties. Love the quotes at the end!
thanks for the video, very good
Loved the way he squirmed through the fallout 3 stuff, brilliant job I'd say
*Kickstarter, I mean..... and btw, being a PhD myself (in molecular bio) you are one of the elite few who managed to retain his coolness.. love the long hair, love the attitude, love your focus (well placed), and love you man.. THANK YOU for nourishing the joy that once was and (thanks to Kickstarter) shall thrive again.
These are amazing! Youre doing something incredibly great sir. Instasuscribed.
and he invented... PONG!! LOL Great show Matt, as usual.
I hope that at some point you will be able to interview Richard Garriott. I am sure that would make for another excellent video.
Keep up the great work!
Wasteland 2 is real! Brian Fargo wants to kickstart a Wasteland sequel and already have some content to develop the game. It's confirmed to be turn-based, party-based, top-down view and 2D graphics.
One of the companies I HAVE and WILL ALWAYS MISS! INTERPLAY DESCENT was extremely innovative.... I fired up Wasteland on my Apple IIc some 6 months ago and I admit I did not give it much time b/c of my PS3, current PC, (FONV) and other medias what a shame but I remember when my Dad bought it at Software ETC for some sick price back in the mid 80's.... What a work! :)
BTW: This is really nice video!
Is strange that you made so many videos of great games and not about personalizing your party and turn based combat like in mm series,would be great to hear about them for future.
I can sympathize a bit with Fargo’s point that he has to follow the market if he wants to be able to make games. It also is similar with research. Sure, you would really like to look at certain topics X, Y, and Z, but people funding the research will only fund topics A, B, and C. You have to find what’s interesting in those funded topics and try to incorporate your interests with them.
Great episode. Looking forward to the next one.
And than came Kickstarter. :)
I see Icewind Dale on his shelf, didn't know that he worked on it.
First off, I grew up on Bard's Tale and Wasteland and (thus) worshiping Brian Fargo. But seriously, WHY THE HELL IS HE LOOK SO YOUNG? HE looks 30 or 35 man.... good looking guy too, DAMN.. (and no I'm not GAY, not that there's anything wrong with that) ... Matt, you're awesome too.. and I am so grateful for your reviving and sustaining the life of this forgotten age of greatness that sadly wasn't so long ago.. Honestly, people like you are a core reason Kickstart was ever conceived. Thank YOU!
Man. Now we just need a CSRPG counterpart to your channel and we're all set for RPG/Classic history.
ah.. the C64 .. just love the music
oh and nice vid! and i love this game :D
@blacklily8 I concur. Graphics are really only essential imo for atmosphere via great art direction.
It's sad to see great developers being forgotten by my generation. I have this feeling that fifty years from now, when everything is put in perspective, we will regret forgetting all these innovators.
wasteland was before my time..
yet i was a huge fan of fallout 2.. just loved pretty much everything from it..
looking forward to see how wasteland 2 turns out to be..
have also to check out fallout new vegas..heard pretty much positiv stuff about it..
YOU LIKED THE MASS EFFECT ENDING!!!!! mass effect 3 dident explain what your actions did and what you did before then had no effect on it (bioware said every action would effect the ending accross all 3 games) and had tons of plot holes. (for example, howd the people who went with shepard off the ship get back onto the ship before the hole place went kaboom.)
We need Stonekeep 2!
Still have DESCENT running on my original modded XBOX too!
@HardWarUK Yeah, it's also funny how he compares sales figures from 1997-1998 (when gaming was still for the nerds, and it was still a pain to get a game to even work properly), to those of 2008.
Of course you're gonna have more sales when there are far more potential customers!
@blacklily8 glad to see you back. review arx fatlius, dungeon keeper, and dragon age 2 when it comes out. also why don't you ever show any neogeo games?
@blacklily8 Fair enough I guess. I never got attached to party members that were just generated by me. I can see it's advantages but I preferred what they did in the Ultima and Bolders Gate games where your party members were characters that you met and recruited, who came with there own personalities. That's one of the things about Mass Effect and Dragon Age that really appeal to me. Sure you don't get as many team mates at one time but they were good characters that I wonted to play with.
Will there be a wasteland3? Will it have more VO's? a bigger budget? so many questions.
Yes, yes and yes.:D Seemingly.
I hate to ask, but in Fallout 3, did you alter the .ini file to throttle your multi-core processor? It was found that when you included two short lines in the file forcing the game to run on only one thread, it played without the crashes. I found out about it when my game would continually crash in the Megaton Men's bathroom where I'd stashed my gear until I decided which house I wanted to own. Almost no crashes in hundreds of hours playing, last night included. I never had Oblivion problems.
I hope Brian talks a bit about the development on Secret of Vulcan Fury all the way up to its cancellation
Aah, so this is the episode where beer makes it's first appearance ;)
Kickstarter ftw :D
From my understanding,and this is just comeing from my perspective, the reason why elements like turn based and party creation, and even meta layered strategy type of RPGs and games are rare is because most devs these days find them too difficult and time consuming to make. I feel that those elements are products of the 80s and have been lost. I also think its been givin a bad rap by todays generation just because it is indeed an older formula. But I think most agree, its too good to let go.
@Kiveryn Very true, but it's the exception rather than the rule, and you can't go bopping around with 7-8 other people.
what are the games behind fargo? can somebody recognize them?
I only recognize 2
When you say you want games with customizable parties, does this also include teamgames and coop games?
Or are you strictly referring to the Wasteland NPC party game mechanics?
I have to say, one thing that I don't mind at all is the constant save points these days. Sure, when I was young, I had all the time in the world to devote to games. I could spend a whole weekend doing nothing but playing one, spending the necessary time to master a level to pass it. As an adult, though, real life is constantly interfering, and the ability to quickly save a game so I can get back to it later is a convenience I would not at all want to give up.
MazokuRanma you can quicksave in old games
its expecting huge plot holes to not exist. Many things have plot holes, these are usually very hard to notice if ur not nitpicking. Also the whole getting back on ship in time was made out to be impossable, not left for interpretation. Because how it was made out, they claim that the normandy not only picked everyone up (which would of taken a while) but got in place to escape the explosion, all in a matter of seconds, thats a pretty huge plot hole.
game comes out next year..grafic may likely changed until then.. be patient
I don't like RPG's... I want to like them, but I usually get bored playing them before finishing the game. My brother was the opposite of me. He loved RPG's and wouldn't touch another game until he'd finished the one he was playing. I hope that later I will change and finally get to finish Ultima IV at last, maybe in my old age it will happen. Who knows?
4:00 We are witnesses of the very moment in which the great Brian Fargo creates the layout for a new game inside his head.... sort of a religious experience...
Did anybody else saw that aura of light coming from somewhere behind him ? Was it just me who heard the theme of 2001 A space odysee ? :-D
because the turn based rpg is a niche market, and if fargo really is going for that, then it finally proves that he is making games for the gamers, with money being just another great thing going along with it
@hdckdsadd I can see the Descent series, Icewind Dale, Wasteland and Sacrifice. The rest are too blurred to see.
3:39 Matt broke Brian Fargo
@jimbobeleven Absolutely not, there will always be a place for that, I did wont to point that out too but I didn't have the char space. Also, just because a game playes out in real time doesn't mean there are no tactics or strategy involved. Some people seem to think that it's ether board-game-like turn based stragey or mindless pew-pew-pew. There is a hole spectrum in between those two polar opposites.
Excellent video, Matt. Free tip:
YOU SHOULD GO TO GAME FORUMS THAT TALK ABOUT FALLOUT ETC AND POST A LINK TO THIS VIDEO. PROMOTE YOUR VIDEOS ON THE NET.
If anyone watching this video knows how to promote videos and get more views, do it now.
"We have that same responsibility, to try to nail stuff."
Oh, yeah, baby.
Apologies for the wall of comments, but anyway, I did have a problem with Oblivion that I've never solved. See, when I first played it, my "Media-Center" PC's GPU was so weak that I wasn't able to complete the second to last quest due to too many characters on-screen at once.( Don't want to give too many spoilers.) So I never completed the game. Now I have an OCed i7 and a evga gtx680 ftw card-powered gaming rig, but I don't have the urge to play it with so many other games on my plate.
@ThrashFuckinMetal yeah dude my favorite song on that album is HammerHead with Rat Skates insane double bass
i wish there were new games coming out with turn based combat and party members :(
Excellent interview! There are so many games being made these days that are just mediocre cookie cutters. You would think that some developer some where could cater to that niche group of old skool gamers. I mean look at Wizardry, it's still going strong thanks to the Japanese. A new release on the PS3. But good luck getting a title here. I guess people just don't want create or customize their games anymore. They just want to be entertained in a very simplistic, graphically impressive way.
@blacklily8 Too true. I think the problem with gaming is that which comes with the mainstreaming of all cultural forms: you know, broader audience, 'broader appeal'. Nietzsche says something about all cultural things going through this process of birth, rise, decadence and decay. Seems true of Ancient Greece, rock'n'roll and, sadly, one day gaming too! Fallout 3 wasn't that bad ; ). Thanks for the response Matt of Matt Chat!
your right to an extent, but graphics are part of the discussion. IGNs table system, while the reviews themselves are hugely biased, is in theory a pretty good one. Having gameplay, graphics, presentation, longievity and sound as seperate but equal parts to get the final score is a very good why to do things, if the games gameplay is 10 times funner then sex, but the graphics and sound quality sucks, the game will be average at best.
Perhaps my error was in being sucked into Doom and it's successors. I just could not get interested in Fallout, and when Fallout 3 was on sale I decided to try it. Now, I've no intention of playing either previous version, and I've dropped a tidy sum into computer graphics, as I really love how it looks on-screen.
I'm a sad failure of an olde-skooler!
I think fall out 3, and Mass Effect as well, is what people would have made in the 80's if they'd had the tech back then. In a pen and paper RPG, they have to have turne based, becouse there is not really any other way to fesably simulate cetan things. Same things with early computer games.
I have to agree about the party members, I'd love to have a party again. Anyway, another good interview. Have a good one.
@ThrashFuckinMetal yeah dude. also i think the whole Fallout series goes well with the Themes of Thrash you know? like bands like Toxic Holocaust (there ok) but the main one i think of is Megadeth's Peace Sells BWB, and Rust in Peace that remind me of Fallout you know?
@ThrashFuckinMetal yea i kinda agree. but it took the story from 1 and 2
I'm no nostalgia-smitten fanboy, but it's a shame how the marketplace is these days. A deep game can be needlessly confusing, but it can also be extremely rewarding. Sometimes the slowest narratives and games hold the greatest accomplishments.
@blacklily8, @BackForwardPunch If you want to have a discussion about just being in it for the money, we can look at all the absolutely stellar titles produced every month to cash in on the latest movie licenses... I think the best one I ever played was Spiderman, and that was just because I had fun swinging around the city for an hour or so. It was all downhill from there.
@PaladinV0ci btw i love thrash
Fallout: NV is one of the greatest, most bug-ridden games ever produced. I've never played a buggier game that I've been willing to continue playing. Add a mod or two and watch the bugs roll out in force! hehehe
Scony beers = win!
Good to see you back Matt! Great interview with Mr.Fargo. If I may, I would like to recommend a video review of Bad Blood, a stylish post-apocalyptic adventure game by Origin: /watch?v=KFyuJ2q28LI&feature=feedu
@blacklily8
Just keep up the good work.
Star Trek: Demon World. Demon Forge. Hunted: The Demon's Forge.
Brian Fargo likes the word Demon, I think.
A new party-based turn-based game? It just wouldn't get any better than that, especially if the combat was tactical (characters and enemies being about to move around, use cover, etc.) But I'm not going to hold my breath.
ripping a clip and Dr. Mike Scott
I was a Doomer too. I have Fallout but not super excited about it yet. Prefer my Might and Magic games really.
That S/B "...forced the game to play on one "core"..."
Sorry, I don't have a fix for Oblivion, and I can only suggest the Nexus Forums, where loads of gamers with some modding skills can help with crashes in-game. That's how I finally got New Vegas running with mods with a minimum of crashes. Even then, NV seems like it suffers from a split personality. hehe. I still play it and love it; just with it was as rock-steady as Fallout 3 or Skyrim.
Gonna dive into Dishonored tonight. Yay, me!
Morrowind through Skyrim, and Fallouts 3 and NV. Only New Vegas gave me any trouble whatsoever, but I see I wasn't all that "open" in my previous comment, because my problems with NV were mostly due to my cheating too much via console commands. My whining about it is mainly because I have cheated the entire Fallout 3 until it no longer was the same game! hehehe.I'm on this rig a lot, so I try hard to keep it up-to-date and monitoring temps. Might be a part of why I don't have the issues of some.
Fallout 3 and Oblivion had way more bugs for me, fallout 3 was riddled, and oblivion was the kind of game that I'd have to save multiple times to try and do anything.
ok yeah, asking what that is unreasonable, making some things in the dark is good.
But they left EVERYTHING in the dark, there should of been at least 5 endings, instead of 1 (recolouring a explosion is not a new ending) and even on the 1 ending that explained little, it still had shit tons of plot holes. (blowing the mass effect relay requires tons of explaining since everyone is up for a slow death since they explain so many things) its not nit picking, *next comment*
No love for Fallout 3?
I think it's one of those games that really standout as quality gaming by today's standards.
then u are blind, while developers dont do this generally, TONS of indie games do the classics. Also, some modern games are amazing, as long as you ignore any fps (that except bethesda) u can find some great modern games. And turn based itself only really existed because real time was kinda hard to do on the old systems.
And u can mix both new and old to be awesome, just look at legends of grimrock, its amazing real time dungeon crawler.
We got a Sequel on the Wii and it was shit, even the new Japanese developed Wizardry games were better then that.But I agree Stonekeep needs a proper sequel but Legend of Grimrock is looking to be a decent spiritual follow up,well it's looks more like a Wizardry meets Eye of the Beholder/Lands of lore meets Dungeon Keeper meets Stonekeep type of Dungeon crawl
You do realize that you are talking about PRE-ALPHA screenshots?
Nice job. I always thought Faran Brygo was a douche, based on the rumor mill. I guess that's what some other gamers felt because of the lack of a true wasteland 2. Seems like he doesn't deserve that title. It's not his fault gaming has changed so dramatically.
You haven't played many Bethesda games..
@numberninteynine he said "A lot of why people still..." not white people.
Put in my $30 towards Wasteland 2 :)
I thought Fallout 3 New Vegas, was much better IMHO. It really felt like a fallout game. The other one, not so much.
You're clearly becoming increasingly frustrated with the contemporary market place and it's sort of philistine ignorance. Obviously true with respect to the recent youtube partner thing but also more overtly reflecting in your interviews. This is not a criticism, I think it adds an interesting and compelling dimension to your work!
@Disthron is it that hard to believe that some people want to make properly tactical games instead of turning every game/genre into a shooter?
Some really depressing responses in this interview. Game developers (or, probably more to the point, publishers) need to realise that not EVERY game can be a big blockbuster hit, and that downgrading your expectations to focus on niche markets can be a very profitable alternative to competing in over-saturated segments. There's more sense in targeting a neglected audience hungry for games with a bit more meat in a market filled with Halos and Mass Effects than Fargo is trying to make out.
No, this guy made the original Fallout games, before Bethesda bought the rights to it, and decided it should be like the TES games, with lazer guns.