I'd say your assessment regarding rear truck is spot on and I've had similar results, at least with shorter standard decks . For me it gets a bit more in depth when you start to add longer deck sizes and longer wheelbases into the equation, where the extra lean and turning are a much more significant benefit, IMO. Really it comes down to the type of riding....If I'm flat ground pushing, cruising, and pumping, even on the longer decks it's nice to have the extra forward momentum from a standard TKP. But when you are riding any sort of down grades the C2 starts to shine. On really short decks I find the C2 far too turny and I prefer less lean as well. In all my testing, I actually find regular longboard RKP the best all around truck on the rear for me for most setups. Its a happy in between the C2 and TKP. My main issue with RKP is I don't like wide trucks and have to cut them all down to 4" hangers. But have to do that with C2 also. TKP is easy to find stock in 3.5" -4.5" if that width is your Jam. One thing to note is rear bushing stiffness plays a HUGE part in how the rear truck feels, especially with the C2. With a really soft and/or loose rear bushing, the C2 is way way too turny for me and it feels like the rear truck is swinging out from under me like a surfboard with no rear fin. When you tighten up the nut a lot or go to stiffer rear bushings, the C2 feels awesome, will turn less and generate more forward momentum pumping so I think that's the key with the C2. It's a great truck and I love it when set up well. This is just my current opinion and I'm far from finished testing different configurations with the rear truck.
You hit a topic that’s been in the back of my mind!! I’ve been wondering what a rear RKP would do to the experience. That’s awesome it’s yielded positive results for you and makes me want to try it more. Do you have a favorite RKP rear?
The only RKP I've tried are the basic Paris Clones that come on Longboards like Magneto etc. The main issue I've found with the common crappy RKP clones is that the axles tend to be bent/warped from the heat in the casting process. I've got like 20+ sets of these from all the boards I've bought in my parts pile and been able to sort through them and find the few with straight axles as bent axles will cause premature and uneven wheel wear, not to mention decreased wheel contact patch and traction. Other than that, I don't see a huge difference in design or geometry between the clones and Real Paris RKP or other RKP but I could be wrong. If I had the money I'd probly try some other "Better" RKP's but the clones are actually great if you get ones with straight axles. All that being said, I think Waterborne sells a set of narrower 6" RKP or maybe they're 5" cant remember. The main issue with most RKP is they're just too damn wide and hard to find any under 7", so learning to cut down trucks is a good skill to learn. From what I see with your style of riding doing tricks etc, I suspect you'd probably still prefer TKP on the rear over RKP though, but good to leave no rock unturned nonetheless!
What a great informational video. I have never ridden a Slappy truck, but as a skater from the 80’s I have wondered about incorporating an old school truck with a SurfSkate truck. I am not even going to plat about my feelings about the price tag of a SurfSkate truck tho. Ohhhh Myyyyy Gosh!!! WHY ARE SURFSKATE TRUCKS SO STUPIDLY EXPENSIVE??? Indy’s are like $30 a truck. It’s highway robbery to have a set of SurfSkate trucks that border around $200 for a set. What the heck???
On the old school truck! It truly depends! Slappy, ACE, and independent stage 4 are the skate trucks known for having the best turn, which is what I would recommend as being most compatible with a turny surfskate truck. Independent Stage 4 are an old school truck but they just did a reissue of that truck with upgraded bushings and updated geometry. Yeah I don’t get the price. I think maybe it has some to do with where they are made?? The Legasee trucks by YOW costing over $170 is crazy to me. Carver trucks are more affordable being under $100. But yeah. Still expensive!
interesting, it makes me want to try. what are the exact references of the truck you use? height, width? Do you use it with a CX front truck? Love your videos. I learned a lot. 👍
@@spadinvaderYou’re revealing my madness 😅. I’m very particular when it comes to my setups. I own a few different Slappy hanger widths, and the width I use is a dependent on the shape of the wheel I’m riding. The reason is because if I’m riding a side set wheel, such as my 97a Powell nano cubics, this pushes my wheels further out to the side, and I will ride a slightly narrower hanger such as the Slappy Hollow 8.75 or 9. BUT when I ride a center set wheel like the new surfskate love or spitfire radial full 60 mm wheels, these wheels make my setup feel narrower so I’ll put a 9.25 or 9.5 inch hanger on the rear. People have asked me about the problems associated with changing your rear hanger width when you can’t change the front hanger width because carver cx comes in one size. There is a lot of extra axel on carver cx. So I put 3 axel washers on each side of my carver cx truck BEFORE I put the wheels on because this pushes the wheels out far enough to match the wider rear truck. Slappy trucks website says their axel height is 53.9 mm for all of their trucks 🔥 👊
And now I want to see a review with Waterborne "Rail adapter" to replace the riser pad on rear truck for both traditionnal and surfskate rear truck. I tried it with standard rear meraki truck, Sector9 Sidewinder Gullwing (almost impossible to ride haha), it is basically a lot more lean !
In general I find for bowl riding a surfskate truck like the c2 is too much turn. The c2 is way more fun for riding on flat ground but bowls have transition that give off loads of turn and I just don’t ever find that I need the extra that the c2 gives.
Hello Brother. I was less skilled on a regular skateboard than You. I switched to surfskate, and felt free again. Free from doing tricks. After two years I bought myself a regular skateboard again, and felt free to get the board up and down curbs. Freedom goes small, and silent. I have a tiny... hill in the back of my house. When it snows, than i'm building a small jump/mogul and do tricks. After a week doing tricks there I go to the mountains, and just ride IT down, without even thinking of tricks. Maybe the surfskate can be named after a freeride snowboard, while a regular skateboard is the freestyle deck?🤔🤔🤔
I hear you! I had the same experience. Fell in love with the ride feel of the surfskate. Wanted to expand that freedom by unlocking a snappier Ollie for getting up and over small obstacles like curbs. The Slappy skate truck in the rear and carver cx front with a skid plate blends all these beautifully. Why choose one way when you can literally have both 🙌🏼
😂 I hear ya. I’ve ridden curf board and I’ll say this is very very different from Curf Board. This setup I have in this video isn’t going to be everyone’s favorite but it’s one that works really well and it’s currently my personal favorite 🎉
Even though I've been skateboarding and longboarding for a while, I'm still pretty new to surfskate (Carver X Triton). I find it difficult to maintain speed just by pumping, let alone increase it, and I have to keep pushing. If I understand you correctly, you get more forward thrust with a more stable rear truck. So should I tighten my Carver rear truck significantly more than the front to start with? Or should they both be equally loose/tight?
Overtightening disrupts the geometry of your rear truck so I advise against it. Better to get stiffer bushings. For added stability, riptide also sells barrel and cone combo bushings as opposed to cone and cone. The addition of a barrel will bring stability also 👍 A firmer durometer such as a 92.5A brings stability
@@TheSurfskateboarder Thank you for the quick reply. I actually ordered Riptide Bushings 92.A with the Carver X Triton 31". I'll get to work installing them and then test it again
Interesting video. It would be interesting to see which setup you prefer on the rear truck.
I like the carver C2 with everything and the slide surfskate rear as well is dope 🤙 nice vid brother
I'd say your assessment regarding rear truck is spot on and I've had similar results, at least with shorter standard decks . For me it gets a bit more in depth when you start to add longer deck sizes and longer wheelbases into the equation, where the extra lean and turning are a much more significant benefit, IMO.
Really it comes down to the type of riding....If I'm flat ground pushing, cruising, and pumping, even on the longer decks it's nice to have the extra forward momentum from a standard TKP. But when you are riding any sort of down grades the C2 starts to shine. On really short decks I find the C2 far too turny and I prefer less lean as well.
In all my testing, I actually find regular longboard RKP the best all around truck on the rear for me for most setups. Its a happy in between the C2 and TKP. My main issue with RKP is I don't like wide trucks and have to cut them all down to 4" hangers. But have to do that with C2 also. TKP is easy to find stock in 3.5" -4.5" if that width is your Jam.
One thing to note is rear bushing stiffness plays a HUGE part in how the rear truck feels, especially with the C2. With a really soft and/or loose rear bushing, the C2 is way way too turny for me and it feels like the rear truck is swinging out from under me like a surfboard with no rear fin. When you tighten up the nut a lot or go to stiffer rear bushings, the C2 feels awesome, will turn less and generate more forward momentum pumping so I think that's the key with the C2. It's a great truck and I love it when set up well. This is just my current opinion and I'm far from finished testing different configurations with the rear truck.
You hit a topic that’s been in the back of my mind!!
I’ve been wondering what a rear RKP would do to the experience. That’s awesome it’s yielded positive results for you and makes me want to try it more.
Do you have a favorite RKP rear?
The only RKP I've tried are the basic Paris Clones that come on Longboards like Magneto etc. The main issue I've found with the common crappy RKP clones is that the axles tend to be bent/warped from the heat in the casting process. I've got like 20+ sets of these from all the boards I've bought in my parts pile and been able to sort through them and find the few with straight axles as bent axles will cause premature and uneven wheel wear, not to mention decreased wheel contact patch and traction. Other than that, I don't see a huge difference in design or geometry between the clones and Real Paris RKP or other RKP but I could be wrong. If I had the money I'd probly try some other "Better" RKP's but the clones are actually great if you get ones with straight axles. All that being said, I think Waterborne sells a set of narrower 6" RKP or maybe they're 5" cant remember. The main issue with most RKP is they're just too damn wide and hard to find any under 7", so learning to cut down trucks is a good skill to learn. From what I see with your style of riding doing tricks etc, I suspect you'd probably still prefer TKP on the rear over RKP though, but good to leave no rock unturned nonetheless!
What a great informational video. I have never ridden a Slappy truck, but as a skater from the 80’s I have wondered about incorporating an old school truck with a SurfSkate truck. I am not even going to plat about my feelings about the price tag of a SurfSkate truck tho. Ohhhh Myyyyy Gosh!!! WHY ARE SURFSKATE TRUCKS SO STUPIDLY EXPENSIVE??? Indy’s are like $30 a truck. It’s highway robbery to have a set of SurfSkate trucks that border around $200 for a set. What the heck???
On the old school truck! It truly depends! Slappy, ACE, and independent stage 4 are the skate trucks known for having the best turn, which is what I would recommend as being most compatible with a turny surfskate truck.
Independent Stage 4 are an old school truck but they just did a reissue of that truck with upgraded bushings and updated geometry.
Yeah I don’t get the price. I think maybe it has some to do with where they are made?? The Legasee trucks by YOW costing over $170 is crazy to me.
Carver trucks are more affordable being under $100. But yeah. Still expensive!
interesting, it makes me want to try. what are the exact references of the truck you use? height, width? Do you use it with a CX front truck? Love your videos. I learned a lot. 👍
@@spadinvaderYou’re revealing my madness 😅. I’m very particular when it comes to my setups. I own a few different Slappy hanger widths, and the width I use is a dependent on the shape of the wheel I’m riding.
The reason is because if I’m riding a side set wheel, such as my 97a Powell nano cubics, this pushes my wheels further out to the side, and I will ride a slightly narrower hanger such as the Slappy Hollow 8.75 or 9.
BUT when I ride a center set wheel like the new surfskate love or spitfire radial full 60 mm wheels, these wheels make my setup feel narrower so I’ll put a 9.25 or 9.5 inch hanger on the rear.
People have asked me about the problems associated with changing your rear hanger width when you can’t change the front hanger width because carver cx comes in one size.
There is a lot of extra axel on carver cx. So I put 3 axel washers on each side of my carver cx truck BEFORE I put the wheels on because this pushes the wheels out far enough to match the wider rear truck.
Slappy trucks website says their axel height is 53.9 mm for all of their trucks 🔥 👊
@@TheSurfskateboarder have you ever ridden a Gullwing Pro 3? They are amazing
And now I want to see a review with Waterborne "Rail adapter" to replace the riser pad on rear truck for both traditionnal and surfskate rear truck. I tried it with standard rear meraki truck, Sector9 Sidewinder Gullwing (almost impossible to ride haha), it is basically a lot more lean !
*Great video choice, it could be argued the rear truck is more important*
🤙🏽🤟🏽👌🏽
Everyone talks with focus on front trucks.
Yup! Rear truck is no less important IMO and we talk so little about it
This man and that man in Canada, the landlocked surfer have merged the two sports😂
Why choose one when you can do both 🤷🏼♂️ 😂
“Love it, love it gorgeous, isn’t it gorgeous?”
Lady Babylon on TH-cam quote
It’s true it’s not a traditional Surf skate technique good info though we’ve been noticing the same at my local park surf trucks are too soft
In general I find for bowl riding a surfskate truck like the c2 is too much turn. The c2 is way more fun for riding on flat ground but bowls have transition that give off loads of turn and I just don’t ever find that I need the extra that the c2 gives.
Have you tried waterborne rail adapter for your rear truck?
Not yet. One day 🙌🏼
Hello Brother. I was less skilled on a regular skateboard than You. I switched to surfskate, and felt free again. Free from doing tricks. After two years I bought myself a regular skateboard again, and felt free to get the board up and down curbs. Freedom goes small, and silent.
I have a tiny... hill in the back of my house. When it snows, than i'm building a small jump/mogul and do tricks. After a week doing tricks there I go to the mountains, and just ride IT down, without even thinking of tricks.
Maybe the surfskate can be named after a freeride snowboard, while a regular skateboard is the freestyle deck?🤔🤔🤔
I hear you! I had the same experience. Fell in love with the ride feel of the surfskate.
Wanted to expand that freedom by unlocking a snappier Ollie for getting up and over small obstacles like curbs.
The Slappy skate truck in the rear and carver cx front with a skid plate blends all these beautifully.
Why choose one way when you can literally have both 🙌🏼
@@TheSurfskateboarder I hope You find Your own ride, Bro.
The risk of course being that you’re turning every single Servs gate into a curve board😂
😂 I hear ya. I’ve ridden curf board and I’ll say this is very very different from Curf Board. This setup I have in this video isn’t going to be everyone’s favorite but it’s one that works really well and it’s currently my personal favorite 🎉
Even though I've been skateboarding and longboarding for a while, I'm still pretty new to surfskate (Carver X Triton). I find it difficult to maintain speed just by pumping, let alone increase it, and I have to keep pushing. If I understand you correctly, you get more forward thrust with a more stable rear truck. So should I tighten my Carver rear truck significantly more than the front to start with? Or should they both be equally loose/tight?
Overtightening disrupts the geometry of your rear truck so I advise against it.
Better to get stiffer bushings.
For added stability, riptide also sells barrel and cone combo bushings as opposed to cone and cone.
The addition of a barrel will bring stability also 👍
A firmer durometer such as a 92.5A brings stability
@@TheSurfskateboarder Thank you for the quick reply. I actually ordered Riptide Bushings 92.A with the Carver X Triton 31". I'll get to work installing them and then test it again
Do you use tailbones to reduce tail height in order to make the ollies feel more like on a regular skateboard?
Alright you said it already in the second half of the video
Yup! I made a full video about the tail bone a couple of weeks ago 👍
I love it
Horses for courses, brother
It’s true it’s not a traditional Surf skate technique
If you’re encompassing standard skateboard technique with surf skates you should consider using the correct tools for the job😂???
I already did thanks 👍 standard skateboard truck in the front is boring and not very fun in my experience.
one name: wyatt foreman (aka sarf_cowboy)
Just skating cx, don’t give a damn and killing it.
@@keikitano sho’ izz 🔥 🏄♂️ 🛹