I replaced my TS-590S with an FTDX10. didn’t like the ergonomics, I just sold it and ordered the TS-590SG, the 590’s are a joy to use. yaesu loves menu crap
I had both radios...Here is the play...If you are in the suburbs, (Like I am) and have neighbors with Solar power, and the rest of the noise, you need a receiver that can knock this out...The FT DX has enough algorithms in the DNR that knock it out, along with the Contour adjustments...I can't have a QSO 50% with the 590s, and can 95% of the time with the FTDX 10...(SSB)
Honestly I don’t hear much difference; but it also confusing as to which radio the audio is sourcing from- so better production (like a dot over the radio the audio is coming from) would have been helpful. Anyway according to Sherwood, the real measure isn’t sensitivity to weak signals (most radios are so sensitive your local noise floor in suburban areas effectively wipes out the measured theoretical sensitivity), it’s close-in blocking/dynamic range. In other words, being able to separate a weak signal from a stronger adjacent one.
@@johnarcher9480 I agree, but sensitivity isn’t typically one of them. Personally, noise blocking/blanking, easily adjustable/visible filter widths, and a pan adapter are clutch. But, the way Rob Sherwood explains it, A lot of radios he’s tested over the years had excellent “sensitivity” but we’re horrible performers on CW because they couldn’t reject adjacent signals. He basically changed the way QST reviews radios. Search TH-cam for a lecture he gave a few years ago at a ham fest, maybe Dayton. It’s pretty impressive. Kind of dry, but it basically explains the science behind his ratings.
@@kd8opi all the performance and sherwood tests are meaningless in my opinion if the audio is harsh or poor as I found it with the ic-7300. The FT-891 is a far better sounding radio ( with headphones ) and it's receiver is a lot better too at rejecting strong signals.
@@o00scorpion00o I don’t have a dog in your fight, but the Sherwood tests aren’t meaningless. They give you some objective data; subjective impressions (audio quality, ergonomics, the look or feel of the radio) and preferences play a role too. I’m happy you’re happy with your purchase. That’s all that matters in the end.
I loved my 590SG for the week I had it, so smooth and stout, felt like a maximized quality finely constructed machine, but I couldn't get any richness from the RX audio and being an SSB fan, I had to pass it along. Someone in Oregon is now hopefully very happy, but I still wish KW would've built in a bit more bass and fullness to the RX audio because I've never owned as nice a rig in terms of true quality. Now looking real hard at the TS-890 and I know that has the audio richness I'm looking for, I just hope it's build quality is equal with the 590SG. It seems your AF gain on the 590 might've been set touch lower than was that of the FTdx-10.
For the KNW 590SG, You will likely find the richness you seek if you use the RX EQ available for free download- its in the remote control SW and once you set it (lift the low freq. / tame the highs) you do not need to run the remote SW- it stays in 590 memory. The 890 has an RX eq in the MENU. Benchmark for me is the TS-870 for strong SSB richness- have heard none better. Of course all with an external speaker. With EQ, both the 590 and 890 come very close to the 870 on strong signals. Yes 890 build quality is equivalent to the 590! Yaesu does a much better job with DNR but when engaged I actually note lost audio response - so I think its a trade off. To be clear I'm certainly not saying the DNR on the 870 is anywhere near the FTDX10, or 5000. Its strange though- in my own AB tests like this video (weak cw) I have not found a signal I could copy on the dx10 that could not be copied on the 590SG.
What is interesting is that the TS590SG is still a little more expensive than the FTDX10 ( 100-150 euro/$ ), I think that means the Kenwood is a good radio too.
The 590 SG is a nicer radio to use than most touch screen radios because you have lots of buttons and knobs. The DX10 Audio is better though in my opinion and it's filters are better, my Friend has one so I don't have lots of time using it but I like using it more than I did the 7300 or DX 10 but I wouldn't replace the DX10 with a 590sg for example. If someone has the 590 or 590 sg keep it. I think most people who don't care about the screen will be more than happy with the 590SG. I do not miss the 7300 one bit, audio is too poor. The 590sg has IF out so you can connect your own SDR for a full blown SDR experience using with SDR Console which is amazing software. The FTDX-10 has monitor out but resolution is very low so the waterfall looks blurry unlike the SDR console with a proper SDR, you can use Omnirig to sync the radio and computer. The 590 SG gives the best of both worlds in my opinion because it is a traditional nice to use radio with the benefit of IF out so you can have a proper SDR experience if you want, but the DX10 has a much better receiver in my opinion and much better at rejecting close strong stations. I wish Yaesu and Icom would also do this and eliminate the big screen for more knobs and buttons and have higher resolution out for proper waterfall experience. The FTDX-10 is 3rd on Sherwoods list, the 710 4th and the 590sg is 30th and the 590s is 37th and the 7300 is 23rd but I never liked the audio on the 7300 it's too harsh needing NB on all the time and I live in a low noise area. I always listen with headphones. The DX10 mouse is limited, I hope they change this in a future update and allow live typing on PSK31 and RTTY, that would be amazing.
I owned th 590S and i played a month with the FTDX10, and we own it on the club station . For weak signals i don´t remember a drastic , or even noticable difference . But when you try this in a contest or a close pileup with real big signals , thwen the FTDX´s show their capability. Not just , bust mostly, in CW also in SSB . Still the 590 is good radio in the compact class, no doubt. What i like is that you show the result and doi no talk blablabla ...which is common to ham made videos..
I like that you connected the audio out of the radios directly. So many silly videos here comparing ambient acoustics and not receivers. What I can tell you is that any receiver will perform equally well in that kind of test. I have a 590SG, a 140, a 940, a 180 and a TS50. All receive very weak signals almost the same. Differences appear only whe you have a strong signal nearby, in which case the 590SG will easily win. So, if you don't do contests, ANY rig will do. I tend to use more my 140 than the 590SG for instance.
Totally agree with Marco rx from different rigs will do the job. The difference is in the gust of an adjacent signal. Anyway the noise floor is important if you look at ts890s on sherwood's list you will see that the noise floor is second to none and with a really poor signal it will certainly make a difference. The rest is just sensitivity and in that almost everyone is quite even. 73 very good demonstration.
Yaesu seams to be a bit clearer but it’s brand new tech respectively. As others have said the dx10 filtering in an rf noisy environment would make a large difference
FTDX10 seemed to have the better output?? I assume when you tapped the unit, it was the one we were listening to. The FTDX10 is the clear winner. Also curious why the Kenwood was not set to the exact same (displayed) frequency as the FTDX10? That will skew the results, too. I would hope they both tune the same when the "numbers" are the same!!
Kenwood always had and have the best received audio (and transmit), hands down. Most of Yaesu products are harsh compared to Kenwood unless it's the top of the line 5000.
Yaesu Rx is far sharper I own it .Kenwood has a thick rich white noise but there so close if you liked the 590 or 890 your right there with just a different approach.if the dx 10 had the Kenwood eq and 5k Rx then it'd be no contest
Probablemente esta sea una pregunta algo tonta, pero resulta que soy un novato en esto de la radio... Quiero una radio multibandas (SSB, etc) de alta calidad. De momento solo para recepción, no para transmitir (ya veré si en un futuro me saco o no la licencia de radioaficionado, pero de momento la radio la quiero solo para escuchar en alta calidad.) En algún sitio donde alguien pedía opiniones sobre ciertas radios multibandas compactas (solo para recepción), otra persona le contestó que, para eso, mejor comprar un transceptor (emisor/receptor) de segunda mano, pues la calidad de recepción de radio es muy superior en esos aparatos que en las radios multibandas compactas (mucho más pequeñas) que son solo receptores. Preguntas: 1. ¿Es esto así? ¿Aunque solo sea para escuchar radio (y no transmitir) es mejor la recepción y calidad de sonido en un transceptor? 2. Imagino que para transmitir (como radioaficionado) sería necesario instalar una antena de grandes dimensiones fuera del domicilio (en el tejado o anclada a una ventana), aparte de otros cachivaches. Pero ¿solo para recibir (escuchar la radio) es también necesario instalar una antena externa? ¿O no? ¿O con ponerle una compacta en L que sobresalga solo unos pocos cm hacia arriba es suficiente? (Imagino que solo para escuchar radio no será necesario conectarle más aparatos, ¿no?) Gracias.
@@w9sn491 OK each to their own everyone can operate their station the way they want to. No big deal after all here for the same reason we love the hobby🙂
@@w9sn491I was into ssb but the old timers are gone and all you have now are people sayin “you have a great signal”. Give me a break. Learning cw. Much nicer.
Filtering is a bit wide on both radios…. I had a 570D and I should’ve never of sold it. Close the filter and turn the gain down so us could not hear any static the signal with pop out clear and clean. Unbelievable the prices of Kenwood Radios at the moment 😂
The Yaesu seems to have a stronger pre-amp or at least it’s pre-amp doesn’t cut volume as much. I don’t think there are many, if any signals one would copy that the other wouldn’t.
You need to learn how to tune a signal. You were off axis on the 710 much of the time. Makes a difference. Also with weak signals, start wider and only narrow the filter when needed. The Kenwood is a great rig. The 710 can handle strong adjacent signals better.
Weak CW is much better when you select Amber screen on the 590SG. 😉 NB & ANL on the 590SG is better than the 10. The FTdx10 added too much distortion to my ears. The DNR is better on the 10. The SG has too much warble. TU👍
I agree with everything you say here, I keep the 590 NR below 4 to avoid warble. dx10 gives me listener fatigue, the 101D less so, the 590sg none at all!
@2E0RME love this comment, that warble is probably due to the way DSP is done. Fatigue is subjective, but you are correct. The Kenwood let's you adjust audio settings on the fly, one button or control, the Yaesu requires menus which can be cumbersome. The build quality on the Kenwood is better and the chassis heatsinking is far superior, meaning better long term reliability.
Yaesu is definitely more sensitive and has a more aggressive delivery. Kenwood is slightly worse in terms of reception, but for me, it has more pleasant audio.
This has been my experience too. The dx10 gives me listener fatigue, the 101d is an improvement, but the 590sg is the one I would rather listen to all day long.
I replaced my TS-590S with an FTDX10. didn’t like the ergonomics, I just sold it and ordered the TS-590SG, the 590’s are a joy to use. yaesu loves menu crap
I had both radios...Here is the play...If you are in the suburbs, (Like I am) and have neighbors with Solar power, and the rest of the noise, you need a receiver that can knock this out...The FT DX has enough algorithms in the DNR that knock it out, along with the Contour adjustments...I can't have a QSO 50% with the 590s, and can 95% of the time with the FTDX 10...(SSB)
Interesting Tom as I too live in a high noise area de WA5ZVE
Neighbors are annoying.
Thanks for the video. Well done.
Both seem to be great rigs on weak signal receive.
Thanks for the unbiased test.
Honestly I don’t hear much difference; but it also confusing as to which radio the audio is sourcing from- so better production (like a dot over the radio the audio is coming from) would have been helpful. Anyway according to Sherwood, the real measure isn’t sensitivity to weak signals (most radios are so sensitive your local noise floor in suburban areas effectively wipes out the measured theoretical sensitivity), it’s close-in blocking/dynamic range. In other words, being able to separate a weak signal from a stronger adjacent one.
Well, that is the measure of one who is into contesting on CW. For others, there are better attributes to look at.
@@johnarcher9480 I agree, but sensitivity isn’t typically one of them. Personally, noise blocking/blanking, easily adjustable/visible filter widths, and a pan adapter are clutch. But, the way Rob Sherwood explains it, A lot of radios he’s tested over the years had excellent “sensitivity” but we’re horrible performers on CW because they couldn’t reject adjacent signals. He basically changed the way QST reviews radios. Search TH-cam for a lecture he gave a few years ago at a ham fest, maybe Dayton. It’s pretty impressive. Kind of dry, but it basically explains the science behind his ratings.
@@kd8opi all the performance and sherwood tests are meaningless in my opinion if the audio is harsh or poor as I found it with the ic-7300. The FT-891 is a far better sounding radio ( with headphones ) and it's receiver is a lot better too at rejecting strong signals.
@@o00scorpion00o I don’t have a dog in your fight, but the Sherwood tests aren’t meaningless. They give you some objective data; subjective impressions (audio quality, ergonomics, the look or feel of the radio) and preferences play a role too. I’m happy you’re happy with your purchase. That’s all that matters in the end.
@@kd8opi No fight at all. If the radio Audio is poor then it completely lets it down, in my opinion of course.
Kenwood 4ever.... 💯🙋♂
Excellent! The comparison in real conditions! It seems that FTDX10 wins here. 73 de Z33T
I loved my 590SG for the week I had it, so smooth and stout, felt like a maximized quality finely constructed machine, but I couldn't get any richness from the RX audio and being an SSB fan, I had to pass it along. Someone in Oregon is now hopefully very happy, but I still wish KW would've built in a bit more bass and fullness to the RX audio because I've never owned as nice a rig in terms of true quality. Now looking real hard at the TS-890 and I know that has the audio richness I'm looking for, I just hope it's build quality is equal with the 590SG.
It seems your AF gain on the 590 might've been set touch lower than was that of the FTdx-10.
It was hard to get the gain to be equal on them just by listening.
For the KNW 590SG, You will likely find the richness you seek if you use the RX EQ available for free download- its in the remote control SW and once you set it (lift the low freq. / tame the highs) you do not need to run the remote SW- it stays in 590 memory. The 890 has an RX eq in the MENU. Benchmark for me is the TS-870 for strong SSB richness- have heard none better. Of course all with an external speaker. With EQ, both the 590 and 890 come very close to the 870 on strong signals. Yes 890 build quality is equivalent to the 590! Yaesu does a much better job with DNR but when engaged I actually note lost audio response - so I think its a trade off. To be clear I'm certainly not saying the DNR on the 870 is anywhere near the FTDX10, or 5000. Its strange though- in my own AB tests like this video (weak cw) I have not found a signal I could copy on the dx10 that could not be copied on the 590SG.
590sg is a solid rig, sure the NR is bit watery but all in all a top performer...it also has two antenna inputs please a receive input
Wow, I didn't know it had rcv ant input. That damn near puts me over. The 7300 just doesn't do it for me and this Y brand not to much different
What is interesting is that the TS590SG is still a little more expensive than the FTDX10 ( 100-150 euro/$ ), I think that means the Kenwood is a good radio too.
You also get three antenna jacks and two key jacks on the 590
The 590 SG is a nicer radio to use than most touch screen radios because you have lots of buttons and knobs. The DX10 Audio is better though in my opinion and it's filters are better, my Friend has one so I don't have lots of time using it but I like using it more than I did the 7300 or DX 10 but I wouldn't replace the DX10 with a 590sg for example. If someone has the 590 or 590 sg keep it. I think most people who don't care about the screen will be more than happy with the 590SG. I do not miss the 7300 one bit, audio is too poor.
The 590sg has IF out so you can connect your own SDR for a full blown SDR experience using with SDR Console which is amazing software. The FTDX-10 has monitor out but resolution is very low so the waterfall looks blurry unlike the SDR console with a proper SDR, you can use Omnirig to sync the radio and computer.
The 590 SG gives the best of both worlds in my opinion because it is a traditional nice to use radio with the benefit of IF out so you can have a proper SDR experience if you want, but the DX10 has a much better receiver in my opinion and much better at rejecting close strong stations.
I wish Yaesu and Icom would also do this and eliminate the big screen for more knobs and buttons and have higher resolution out for proper waterfall experience.
The FTDX-10 is 3rd on Sherwoods list, the 710 4th and the 590sg is 30th and the 590s is 37th and the 7300 is 23rd but I never liked the audio on the 7300 it's too harsh needing NB on all the time and I live in a low noise area. I always listen with headphones.
The DX10 mouse is limited, I hope they change this in a future update and allow live typing on PSK31 and RTTY, that would be amazing.
You are wrong. Price is not the key. Tecnology is the key, newer tecnology, is better and cheaper to produce, this is the key.
I can't tell your point, looks like two rigs in a refrigerator. You'll have to help be a little more explicit, but thanks for doing this.
I owned th 590S and i played a month with the FTDX10, and we own it on the club station . For weak signals i don´t remember a drastic , or even noticable difference . But when you try this in a contest or a close pileup with real big signals , thwen the FTDX´s show their capability. Not just , bust mostly, in CW also in SSB . Still the 590 is good radio in the compact class, no doubt. What i like is that you show the result and doi no talk blablabla ...which is common to ham made videos..
I have both models as well. The Yaesu is a little better every time for me too.
I like that you connected the audio out of the radios directly. So many silly videos here comparing ambient acoustics and not receivers. What I can tell you is that any receiver will perform equally well in that kind of test. I have a 590SG, a 140, a 940, a 180 and a TS50. All receive very weak signals almost the same. Differences appear only whe you have a strong signal nearby, in which case the 590SG will easily win. So, if you don't do contests, ANY rig will do. I tend to use more my 140 than the 590SG for instance.
Totally agree with Marco rx from different rigs will do the job. The difference is in the gust of an adjacent signal. Anyway the noise floor is important if you look at ts890s on sherwood's list you will see that the noise floor is second to none and with a really poor signal it will certainly make a difference. The rest is just sensitivity and in that almost everyone is quite even. 73 very good demonstration.
The Kenwood has the better AGC at 7:00 the Yaesu hammers and the Kenwood is very smooth.
Did you use apf on dx10? When I use that with notch at 500, it amazes me. Thanks for sharing brother.
I didn't use it for this experiment. APF does work very well for me on CW.
Yaesu seams to be a bit clearer but it’s brand new tech respectively. As others have said the dx10 filtering in an rf noisy environment would make a large difference
FTDX10 seemed to have the better output?? I assume when you tapped the unit, it was the one we were listening to. The FTDX10 is the clear winner. Also curious why the Kenwood was not set to the exact same (displayed) frequency as the FTDX10? That will skew the results, too. I would hope they both tune the same when the "numbers" are the same!!
Kenwood always had and have the best received audio (and transmit), hands down. Most of Yaesu products are harsh compared to Kenwood unless it's the top of the line 5000.
You need to be way more precise with your tuning, to ensure they match. It seems the Kenwood doesn't tune well?
Great video de W2CSI
Yaesu Rx is far sharper I own it .Kenwood has a thick rich white noise but there so close if you liked the 590 or 890 your right there with just a different approach.if the dx 10 had the Kenwood eq and 5k Rx then it'd be no contest
So which is the better radio?million dollar question I know and there’s something I like about Kenwood 👍
Better in what way? They're just very different from each other.
Probablemente esta sea una pregunta algo tonta, pero resulta que soy un novato en esto de la radio...
Quiero una radio multibandas (SSB, etc) de alta calidad. De momento solo para recepción, no para transmitir (ya veré si en un futuro me saco o no la licencia de radioaficionado, pero de momento la radio la quiero solo para escuchar en alta calidad.)
En algún sitio donde alguien pedía opiniones sobre ciertas radios multibandas compactas (solo para recepción), otra persona le contestó que, para eso, mejor comprar un transceptor (emisor/receptor) de segunda mano, pues la calidad de recepción de radio es muy superior en esos aparatos que en las radios multibandas compactas (mucho más pequeñas) que son solo receptores.
Preguntas:
1. ¿Es esto así? ¿Aunque solo sea para escuchar radio (y no transmitir) es mejor la recepción y calidad de sonido en un transceptor?
2. Imagino que para transmitir (como radioaficionado) sería necesario instalar una antena de grandes dimensiones fuera del domicilio (en el tejado o anclada a una ventana), aparte de otros cachivaches. Pero ¿solo para recibir (escuchar la radio) es también necesario instalar una antena externa? ¿O no? ¿O con ponerle una compacta en L que sobresalga solo unos pocos cm hacia arriba es suficiente? (Imagino que solo para escuchar radio no será necesario conectarle más aparatos, ¿no?)
Gracias.
Don't need another voice. I have the winner. The same rig I own since two months ago
Audio sounds so canned and un natural on these high end SDR radios!
I own both also. The KNWD RX to my ear is smoother. Using same antenna KNWD has the better RX even though a dated rig. Just my opinion.
My morse code isn't very good, but it sounded like a critique of putting pineapple on pizza.
I think you need to do more testing maybe in ssb mode. It's tricky when the conditions are up and down. 73's good luck with your experiments 👍
I don't like SSB. That mode is meaningless to me :)
@@w9sn491 OK each to their own everyone can operate their station the way they want to. No big deal after all here for the same reason we love the hobby🙂
@@w9sn491I was into ssb but the old timers are gone and all you have now are people sayin “you have a great signal”. Give me a break. Learning cw. Much nicer.
Filtering is a bit wide on both radios…. I had a 570D and I should’ve never of sold it. Close the filter and turn the gain down so us could not hear any static the signal with pop out clear and clean. Unbelievable the prices of Kenwood Radios at the moment 😂
What's the sensitivity of these in db, down to -130db?
I think it's clear, but I want another voice on this.
The Yaesu seems to have a stronger pre-amp or at least it’s pre-amp doesn’t cut volume as much. I don’t think there are many, if any signals one would copy that the other wouldn’t.
I would say Yaesu is more actual thanks to the design, and to the monitor. As reception IMHO I don't see any difference. 73s de HB3XUT.
You need to learn how to tune a signal. You were off axis on the 710 much of the time. Makes a difference. Also with weak signals, start wider and only narrow the filter when needed. The Kenwood is a great rig. The 710 can handle strong adjacent signals better.
looks about the same to me
Kind of my same thoughts
Weak CW is much better when you select Amber screen on the 590SG. 😉 NB & ANL on the 590SG is better than the 10. The FTdx10 added too much distortion to my ears. The DNR is better on the 10. The SG has too much warble. TU👍
I agree with everything you say here, I keep the 590 NR below 4 to avoid warble. dx10 gives me listener fatigue, the 101D less so, the 590sg none at all!
@2E0RME love this comment, that warble is probably due to the way DSP is done. Fatigue is subjective, but you are correct. The Kenwood let's you adjust audio settings on the fly, one button or control, the Yaesu requires menus which can be cumbersome. The build quality on the Kenwood is better and the chassis heatsinking is far superior, meaning better long term reliability.
y SSB?
I hate SSB. Only CW - digital
Yaesu is definitely more sensitive and has a more aggressive delivery. Kenwood is slightly worse in terms of reception, but for me, it has more pleasant audio.
This has been my experience too. The dx10 gives me listener fatigue, the 101d is an improvement, but the 590sg is the one I would rather listen to all day long.
FTDX10 is little more noisy...
omg the guy cannot send his own call correctly (sp6gvu) LOL
Ts590 retro…
th-cam.com/video/wLbp2fRXH4k/w-d-xo.html
vy 73 de HS0ZGQ Joe