Especially since it doesn't really feel like you make any decisions. The rotation is basically the same for all types of damage. In raid your globals are scripted.
@ Well yeah that is true for every healer. You need to know and utilize their kit to be a good player. Still doesn’t change the fact that it had very few buttons compared to other healers like rsham and rdruid.
So i just finished my "get every class to 80" challenge and the inconsistency from Blizzard regarding spell bloat or number of spells is crazy. DH has about 12 spells in their whole kit, meanwhile shaman has so many totems and buttons, i struggled to find keybindings for everything. So much of a class for me in their flow. Them taking out rapture, making the class just feel more clunky is a real bummer. Look, ive always been a DPS monkey. AOTC 4 times in my couple years playing and bullshitting, normally get to all +10s in M+. The difficulty jump switching to healing has been crazy. Not only do you have to worry about your dps, but keeping everyone else alive. Let me tell you, where as a dps im just in my little zone doing my rotation, healing lets you see every mistake others make and god damn is it a lot. All healers deserve praise and only buffs
Agreed. I have all the healers and all classes but mage at 80. Resto shaman is almost unplayable. The one that surprised me as fun was Evoker. At first I didn’t care for it, but once I played it enough to be comfortable I liked it.
I played 5 healers in S1 after returning to retail for my first M+ adventure, with my two mains being holy priest and resto shaman. I gotta say, resto shaman doing half their damage from acid rain is pretty sweet because it’s entirely passive. It really takes a lot of the pressure off from having to “weave in damage” between healing. It makes up for having additional utility keybinds to worry about.
Also, this is counterintuitive, but it’s easier to take your attention away from healing to do damage in higher keys. Any pug below +10 right now is usually full of people making silly mistakes left and right and stressing the healer.
As a resto shaman main.. it baffles me when I play other healers like Mistweaver, who could literally not even have a mana bar and it wouldn't change the spec. Why is Blizzard ADAMENT on keeping our mana so crappy and punitive??
They tried for so many expansions to prevent shamans going back to wrath type of chain heal spam thats why they always kept their sustain on the shitty side they never managed to find solution to that outside of being hr bot or shamans will end as druids where they made rejuvenation doing nearly no healing and like druids if chain heal is shit the class feels shit to play
I'm not a shaman expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but Mistweaver's gameplay is very centered and gated by Renewing mist uptime . Same goes for Paladin and Holy Power, or Disc and Atonement management. I feel like all these specs that have seemingly infinite mana usually have other resources instead. With Shaman it always has seemed a bit more barebones. You have some Riptide bonuses and Tidal waves exist, but neither are pronounced or important enough to really be called a resource. So maybe that's what Blizzard is thinking, make mana management the gameplay for Shaman. Given they have multiple talents and abilities dedicated to mana generation or reduction effects. They also seem like the most 'traditional' or 'old school' healer still left. Basically all other healers have moved on to some crazy gameplay loops but Shaman has stayed pretty grounded and traditional in their way of healing, mana management included.
@@SmugHomura In few words exactly shamans aways had a lot of baseline abilities, but never had some strong interaction between these abilities outside of their mana even riptide was often really weak hot even in early iterations of the game you could pretty much ignore it. So only thing that stopped em from spamming chain heal and ignoring everything was pretty much their resource aka mana. In mop they had really good flow between spamming dps abilities to get mana back and conductivity not to have to spam healing rain constantly until totemic not sure why they never tried to bring that gameplay back as that was only time when mana wasn’t that obnoxious vanilla like hard-cap.
As a resto shaman that does decently high content, mana management isn’t a big deal with decent practice. Other healers have other resources that limit the rate of healing. Rshams healing rate is not limited by a second resource, but instead we have to sacrifice the total amount of healing to have the required healing now. I believe this is preferred for healers. Also proper mana potion management does wonders and is recommended
After playing some Cata Classic, it's wild how they can't get Renew or Prayer of Healing to be good when they rocked in earlier iterations of the game.
It's because in Cata they don't have to balance Raid and M+. If they make renew and PoH do a lot of healing in M+, they are broken in Raid, and if they are mid in raid they are useless in M+. By far the best solution of the Disc/Aug (Close as Clutchmates) one: a passive that increasesa spell's power in a 5 player party. A lot of spells nowadays have this text of "x% more efective when not in Raid". The solution is not elegant and it feels like they really don't want to do it.
Well Renew is always a bit dangerous since you don't want to outclass a druid persay, but PoHs problem right now is that there is so many sources of AoE healing that they can't really allow the spammable spell to be really strong. They are taking good steps towards that by removing clutter like CoH and salvation, now they just need to do a bit more work. With Lightweaver it does OK healing in a raid, but what I think is holding it back is Resonate Words as a 40% bonus is too strong so the base value has to be left a bit weak, but now theres too many conditions to have it be worth casting. Blizzards current game design goal of making people do a million little tasks to generate more damage hampers healers as they arent often alotted the time needed to do those things before people die.
@@ramones1314 Wait wait wait, your "logic" is, the other healers are good at spammable aoe healing, so holy priests must be punished for it? Exactly what nonsense or delusion justifies holy priests being the go-to punching bags? CoH and Salv were both literally buttons that didn't require people to do a million little tasks to generate more healing, yet you, in your infinite contradictory wisdom, spun around and decided it was a great move after all. Could you be consistent, coherent, and make your contradictory statements make sense?
@ what are you talking about? the only other spammable aoe spell is chain heal, and spamming it is bad, go figure. every other aoe spell on other healers has a cooldown or resource, like WG, LoD, Dream Breath, only thing "close" is Vivify but that requires set up. So yes blizzard doesnt want PoH to be godly and have priests sit there and spam it, hence Prayer Circle for the haste and mana buff. They did this in Legion too with Power of the Naruu. Technically CoH sucked ass without healing chorus from like 20 renew ticks but renew is so fucking shard that you had to int yourself actually casting Renew to get it. Salvation was terrible too, terrible initial heal and renew is such a weak HoT its not a good bonus effect. also after going to only 15 sec CDR from holy word usage. Good riddance to both spells hogging up the AoE power budget. Im sorry that my coherent comment confused you in your fit of rage, but if you wanna bring up specifics instead of just zerging I can help clarify for you. cuz clearly youre imagining things since i never brought up PoH and priest having to be punished at all for other classes, aside from the renew to druid comparison. im dying to know where you drew that from
Thank you. I been playing RSham as my alt that heals and I am not sure what toon to alt... may still go with RSham but the fun of healing still involves DPSing to me. I main'd Aug since it was release and it has been so fun playing a support class and doing 14s this season. I hope evokers dont just get junked.
My hope for Holy is that they slightly reduce the points required at the bottom of the spec tree and/or move some of the nodes around. Right now, with Lightweaver almost mandatory and a lot of two-pointers, it’s quite difficult to get some of the goodies without taking a sub-optimal build.
Yeah and they need to swap Lightwell with Answered Prayers. Criminal that they are focusing on Apoth as the core cooldown but then putting the proc version of it in middle of nowhere land.
When I was playing Resto Shaman I always felt like I can outheal any heal-checks in the dungeons I was doing when it comes to raw healing output but the only thing that's holding me back is my mana. When playing Disc-Priest I felt the same way without my mana holding me back.
Preservation having to use VE on other people as a tier set applicator is cursed. I have a rule to never ever VE anyone but myself, cause 95% of the time when I try to use it on someone else, sure as shit I end up flying into a mechanic.
Blizzard lost the heart of the disc priest when they introduced atonement. Classically, the disc priest is about mitigation. Now, we not only don’t mitigate, our healing is so narrowly bracketed within very brief periods that are dependent upon the intersection of multiple factors, any of which can be guttered by fight mechanics. It’s a ridiculous concept. Blizzard no longer seems to have a coherent driving concept behind the disc priest. Now, we are poor mitigators, have spiky healing throughput for brief periods (that can be easily scuttled), and do mediocre damage. Who thought this up?
A talent that penacing someone with power word shield spreading it would fee nice that way, during orace cd reduction, you could prob get it on the whole raid
Thank you. Really hope they will bring Rapture and Purge the Wicked back. Holy Word: Sanctify sounds great. Now they just need to bring back the wonderful animation it had in Dragonflight. 😊
The rsham is going in the wrong direction. How we went from a variety of spells to just spamming healing surge ill never understand. Now that p wave is gone we have even less options. All my feedback on the forums is ignored
Yeah seriously. Just leave the winners as-is and rework/buff the stinkers... Not sure why they are changing disc so much, it feels like its in a fantastic spot at the moment.
i love ultimate penance but without the cd reduction it feels weak :/ What do you think will holy be vaiable in m+ in S2? Actually the output is really weak outside of raid.
Wait the 4piece of pres doesnt work with echo/orb? i actually thought the bonus is pretty strong cause orb -> verdant -> 5 people with lifebind and insurance
I lvl'd a priest to 80, siren isled him, got the 4 set, was about 595 ilvl before i started a m+2 boralus as holy. I logged out after the second wipe on the first boss and never looked back. Mad respect to all current healers dealing with this shit. That isnt fun at all.
Swap Lightwell with Answered Prayers, and remove Resonate Words allowing base power to be baked into spells, and I think Holy will do a lot better. Maybe give PoM more scaling in a dungeon like it gets in PvP. See how it flows after that.
I have to disagree a little bit on the resto shaman damage output. You said it'# not that important but i would argue that it's not that important if the damage output of the other healers stay low. The monk even in season 1 can produce a crazy output (i've seen first boss of mists a mw monk that did 800k dps). For M+ sake people will prefer the healer that can do the most amount of damage, that is also why in season one the highest keys are done by disc priest and mw monks even if the last one is not in meta.
800k is not that much on 1st boss mists, saw basically every healer doing over 1mil at this boss. And no, the highest keys are not about healer damage, we are not in shadowlands. Its about surviving, thats the only reason why Aug is meta. And Disc has big hps and a lot external cds with Bubble, Rapture, 2x Pain Sup
Currently even for +19 keys. The keys are still bricking mainly due to death and survivability issues. The timer still isn't that tight at the current highest key level.
I really don’t understand why blizzard keeps reworking every spec like every month it seems good god. Quit fucking with the specs and just toon them accordingly it’s ridiculous. I mean adding stuff is fine more choices, but removing stuff such as rapture is just a major L.
I’ve always been a big Oracle fan for HPriest. I have another archon/infinite apoth setup I wanna try for keys but I do think if holy was to be used for pushing big keys that you’d run Oracle
"Pres feels really good... a lot of outside factors are bothering it." This is exactly how I felt playing Pres earlier in this season. Imho Pres & MW monk are tied at the top for just how satisfying it is to push buttons -- it's just that the meta favors MW a good bit more.
Pres main here. .Can confirm. Even if I get burned out on healing, I just keep returning to Pres. the sheer depth of this calss and the shit you can do alongside options you get is just way too damn satisfying
Idk pres is a bit overcomplicated for sake of being overcomplicated without it being rewarding, it will rarely feels satisfying making 5x times more effort to do what others considering the insane mental toll on top of healers nowadays. MW is way more satisfying as it doesn't have to do with much bullshit to rely heal and especially covering mistakes, you can heal reactively and proactively at same time having some depth and setup, but not its too excessive. And too many clunky mechanics you have to deal with like why there are still range limitations and idk why that verdant embrace flying thing still even exist it makes no sense you rarely even use it so you don't kill yourself.
@@ddddd74527 With respect, I think you might be playing the spec wrong. I wouldn't call it very complicated at all, in fact I find it to be satisfying precisely because of how fluid, mobile, & intuitive it is.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 I wouldn't call it super intuitive as they have more options to change their playstyle/rotation than any other healer and they have some really huge ramp up potential that require really deep knowledge of the fight, its hard to top up people before ramps or react to unpredictable damage as they have massive gaps into their rotation since going without spiritbloom or ve and sometimes ta into massive damage event or fucking up stasis can put you in big trouble and ve/sb/db have fairly long cd. Meanwhile disc did the same if not more with same 4 buttons rotation every time, with really minor gaps in between mindbender until blizzard completely destoyed the spec in 11.1 . MW just click cjw and everyone is at max hp and its easier to cover unpredictable damage with just few vivifys or heal for massive amounts without much setup.
Feels bad having fun on my disc priest right now and then seeing these changes.. Couldn't they just have changed the number values if they think its too good
Evangelism changes would have been a good opportunity to try the whole "does more healing in 5m content"... but it goes against the idea of the disc priest being atonement healer... the disc changes seem really wack, the nerf/buff to pw:s and losing rapture is all just really strange changes.
Thanks for the updates Jak! Still no clue what to play, not even sure if there will be a healer slot for me next season. Which healers do the most damage (while also not letting your party die) in 11.1?
Totemic shaman and the tidebringer talent is the gameplay i always wanted for my resto shaman. Having to sit down for 1,5 seconds before each pull to squeeze in a tiny bit of mana, is not. A buff to riptide and reduced cd would solve this and help with the forced movement hell that i see from the ptr coverage. They realy would have to buff farseer by a lot. I'm never going back to healing rain with cast time in m+.
Rsham: No one will play Whispering Waves bcs blizzard forgot that we will lost Nerubian 4set (Tidal wave is 80% more effective). So Healing wave will be absolutely slow for spam = RIP talent and they can remove it with next fixes :D They can add only 1 good talent instead of Whispering Waves and it is Chain harvest :) Anyway Chain heal+riptide Farseer is new way now or still Chain heal Totemic but with lot of Innervates.
Still disappointed Oracle Disc Priest is still so janky. It would have been my preferred combination to play. Now I'm a situation where I want to play my goblin priest but I don't really vibe with it's healing.
They should have replaced prayer of healing with circle. I have never liked prayer. Also don't like having everything based around apotheosis. Just another cooldown to monitor that will only be used for oh shit moments.
Hope blizzard devs see your video jak and learn from it and fix disc , I just feel sad that disc is so weak and weird to play right now and i know getting into pug groups is going to be impossible if things go this way for disc priest
Yeah, again, they have some sort of religious edict about preservation's range being worse compared to every other healer. Won't touch the spec with a 10' pole until they fix it.
Blizzard need to scrap Verdant Embrace or make worth talent to use. Whenever I played Prev Evoker, I barely ever used Verdent Embrace. Actually just scrap Verdant Embrace completely. It just sucks 😂
Yet again not good enough with the Holy Priest rework. DF S4 fell flat and was half hearted, this just seems the same again, taking it in poor directions and not listening to what players want, and continuing to fail to tackle the core problems with HPriest in serious content.
happy to skip this season. They removed the fun from Disci, Holy priest still is not a thing, and the dungeon remains bad. So, GL and see you for season 3
Another tier, another video with Jak dismissively talking down oracle because it doesn't feel like voidweaver. It's ok to just say you don't like it and don't play it well.
He is not entirely wrong, if you really want challenge, go push keys with Oracle... solo pug. Everyone knows that Voidweaver can perform, it's expected, just like a Ferarri to go fast. The line between challenge and clunky is very thin.
Jak talking about disc:
what have they done to my boy
For real
super weird that they want to reduce cooldowns on disc I already feel like it had the least amount of buttons for any healer
true
Yeah they stated that they wanted to remove “button bloat” but the spec had like 8 buttons to press. 😂
It has 8 buttons for healing, but the disc kit as a whole is much more. Performing to a great ability requires utilizing the whole kit of a class/spec
Especially since it doesn't really feel like you make any decisions. The rotation is basically the same for all types of damage. In raid your globals are scripted.
@ Well yeah that is true for every healer. You need to know and utilize their kit to be a good player. Still doesn’t change the fact that it had very few buttons compared to other healers like rsham and rdruid.
Thank you for your updates! I don’t watch your streams due to no acknowledgement to folks in chat. I typically wait for healer update videos 😬👍🏼
I read chat all the time but thanks
So i just finished my "get every class to 80" challenge and the inconsistency from Blizzard regarding spell bloat or number of spells is crazy. DH has about 12 spells in their whole kit, meanwhile shaman has so many totems and buttons, i struggled to find keybindings for everything. So much of a class for me in their flow. Them taking out rapture, making the class just feel more clunky is a real bummer.
Look, ive always been a DPS monkey. AOTC 4 times in my couple years playing and bullshitting, normally get to all +10s in M+. The difficulty jump switching to healing has been crazy. Not only do you have to worry about your dps, but keeping everyone else alive. Let me tell you, where as a dps im just in my little zone doing my rotation, healing lets you see every mistake others make and god damn is it a lot. All healers deserve praise and only buffs
Agreed. I have all the healers and all classes but mage at 80. Resto shaman is almost unplayable. The one that surprised me as fun was Evoker. At first I didn’t care for it, but once I played it enough to be comfortable I liked it.
I played 5 healers in S1 after returning to retail for my first M+ adventure, with my two mains being holy priest and resto shaman. I gotta say, resto shaman doing half their damage from acid rain is pretty sweet because it’s entirely passive. It really takes a lot of the pressure off from having to “weave in damage” between healing. It makes up for having additional utility keybinds to worry about.
Also, this is counterintuitive, but it’s easier to take your attention away from healing to do damage in higher keys. Any pug below +10 right now is usually full of people making silly mistakes left and right and stressing the healer.
As a resto shaman main.. it baffles me when I play other healers like Mistweaver, who could literally not even have a mana bar and it wouldn't change the spec. Why is Blizzard ADAMENT on keeping our mana so crappy and punitive??
They tried for so many expansions to prevent shamans going back to wrath type of chain heal spam thats why they always kept their sustain on the shitty side they never managed to find solution to that outside of being hr bot or shamans will end as druids where they made rejuvenation doing nearly no healing and like druids if chain heal is shit the class feels shit to play
I'm not a shaman expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but Mistweaver's gameplay is very centered and gated by Renewing mist uptime . Same goes for Paladin and Holy Power, or Disc and Atonement management. I feel like all these specs that have seemingly infinite mana usually have other resources instead. With Shaman it always has seemed a bit more barebones. You have some Riptide bonuses and Tidal waves exist, but neither are pronounced or important enough to really be called a resource. So maybe that's what Blizzard is thinking, make mana management the gameplay for Shaman. Given they have multiple talents and abilities dedicated to mana generation or reduction effects. They also seem like the most 'traditional' or 'old school' healer still left. Basically all other healers have moved on to some crazy gameplay loops but Shaman has stayed pretty grounded and traditional in their way of healing, mana management included.
@@SmugHomura In few words exactly shamans aways had a lot of baseline abilities, but never had some strong interaction between these abilities outside of their mana even riptide was often really weak hot even in early iterations of the game you could pretty much ignore it. So only thing that stopped em from spamming chain heal and ignoring everything was pretty much their resource aka mana.
In mop they had really good flow between spamming dps abilities to get mana back and conductivity not to have to spam healing rain constantly until totemic not sure why they never tried to bring that gameplay back as that was only time when mana wasn’t that obnoxious vanilla like hard-cap.
As a resto shaman that does decently high content, mana management isn’t a big deal with decent practice. Other healers have other resources that limit the rate of healing. Rshams healing rate is not limited by a second resource, but instead we have to sacrifice the total amount of healing to have the required healing now. I believe this is preferred for healers. Also proper mana potion management does wonders and is recommended
If mana is an issue for you, to the point where it's something worth complaining about, then you're playing wrong. Mana issues are a skill issue.
So helpful video, I loved hearing your impressions!!
After playing some Cata Classic, it's wild how they can't get Renew or Prayer of Healing to be good when they rocked in earlier iterations of the game.
It's because in Cata they don't have to balance Raid and M+. If they make renew and PoH do a lot of healing in M+, they are broken in Raid, and if they are mid in raid they are useless in M+.
By far the best solution of the Disc/Aug (Close as Clutchmates) one: a passive that increasesa spell's power in a 5 player party. A lot of spells nowadays have this text of "x% more efective when not in Raid". The solution is not elegant and it feels like they really don't want to do it.
Well Renew is always a bit dangerous since you don't want to outclass a druid persay, but PoHs problem right now is that there is so many sources of AoE healing that they can't really allow the spammable spell to be really strong. They are taking good steps towards that by removing clutter like CoH and salvation, now they just need to do a bit more work. With Lightweaver it does OK healing in a raid, but what I think is holding it back is Resonate Words as a 40% bonus is too strong so the base value has to be left a bit weak, but now theres too many conditions to have it be worth casting. Blizzards current game design goal of making people do a million little tasks to generate more damage hampers healers as they arent often alotted the time needed to do those things before people die.
@@ramones1314 Wait wait wait, your "logic" is, the other healers are good at spammable aoe healing, so holy priests must be punished for it? Exactly what nonsense or delusion justifies holy priests being the go-to punching bags?
CoH and Salv were both literally buttons that didn't require people to do a million little tasks to generate more healing, yet you, in your infinite contradictory wisdom, spun around and decided it was a great move after all.
Could you be consistent, coherent, and make your contradictory statements make sense?
@@cat-vv9xbr u dum?
@ what are you talking about? the only other spammable aoe spell is chain heal, and spamming it is bad, go figure. every other aoe spell on other healers has a cooldown or resource, like WG, LoD, Dream Breath, only thing "close" is Vivify but that requires set up. So yes blizzard doesnt want PoH to be godly and have priests sit there and spam it, hence Prayer Circle for the haste and mana buff. They did this in Legion too with Power of the Naruu.
Technically CoH sucked ass without healing chorus from like 20 renew ticks but renew is so fucking shard that you had to int yourself actually casting Renew to get it. Salvation was terrible too, terrible initial heal and renew is such a weak HoT its not a good bonus effect. also after going to only 15 sec CDR from holy word usage. Good riddance to both spells hogging up the AoE power budget.
Im sorry that my coherent comment confused you in your fit of rage, but if you wanna bring up specifics instead of just zerging I can help clarify for you. cuz clearly youre imagining things since i never brought up PoH and priest having to be punished at all for other classes, aside from the renew to druid comparison. im dying to know where you drew that from
Thank you. I been playing RSham as my alt that heals and I am not sure what toon to alt... may still go with RSham but the fun of healing still involves DPSing to me.
I main'd Aug since it was release and it has been so fun playing a support class and doing 14s this season. I hope evokers dont just get junked.
My hope for Holy is that they slightly reduce the points required at the bottom of the spec tree and/or move some of the nodes around. Right now, with Lightweaver almost mandatory and a lot of two-pointers, it’s quite difficult to get some of the goodies without taking a sub-optimal build.
Yeah and they need to swap Lightwell with Answered Prayers. Criminal that they are focusing on Apoth as the core cooldown but then putting the proc version of it in middle of nowhere land.
As MW main first time main ing a healer since vanilla days! I love that I can spend mana like a drunken sailor!
same as disc
Cries in shaman
@@vlcnickify8357been trying disc yeah zero mana problems
When I was playing Resto Shaman I always felt like I can outheal any heal-checks in the dungeons I was doing when it comes to raw healing output but the only thing that's holding me back is my mana. When playing Disc-Priest I felt the same way without my mana holding me back.
Preservation having to use VE on other people as a tier set applicator is cursed. I have a rule to never ever VE anyone but myself, cause 95% of the time when I try to use it on someone else, sure as shit I end up flying into a mechanic.
I barely, if ever use Verdent Embrace. BLIZZ stop making VE a thing, it won't ever be a thing.
I find using breath is also risky in some scenarios, but depending on the spec and tree you play at least you can cancel it (with some delay)
Blizzard lost the heart of the disc priest when they introduced atonement. Classically, the disc priest is about mitigation. Now, we not only don’t mitigate, our healing is so narrowly bracketed within very brief periods that are dependent upon the intersection of multiple factors, any of which can be guttered by fight mechanics. It’s a ridiculous concept. Blizzard no longer seems to have a coherent driving concept behind the disc priest. Now, we are poor mitigators, have spiky healing throughput for brief periods (that can be easily scuttled), and do mediocre damage. Who thought this up?
A talent that penacing someone with power word shield spreading it would fee nice that way, during orace cd reduction, you could prob get it on the whole raid
Thank you.
Really hope they will bring Rapture and Purge the Wicked back.
Holy Word: Sanctify sounds great. Now they just need to bring back the wonderful animation it had in Dragonflight. 😊
The rsham is going in the wrong direction. How we went from a variety of spells to just spamming healing surge ill never understand. Now that p wave is gone we have even less options. All my feedback on the forums is ignored
Do you think all healers are still playable in higher keys? And if so what will be the favourite for the raid?
Blizzard devs have no clue what they are doing. They are killing specs left and right. Refuses to fix bad specs.
Yeah seriously. Just leave the winners as-is and rework/buff the stinkers... Not sure why they are changing disc so much, it feels like its in a fantastic spot at the moment.
Which is better and easier in your opinion?
great summaries
As of right now and knowing how disc plays I'm dropping my priest next patch as one of my second 'main' healers.
i love ultimate penance but without the cd reduction it feels weak :/
What do you think will holy be vaiable in m+ in S2? Actually the output is really weak outside of raid.
Wait the 4piece of pres doesnt work with echo/orb? i actually thought the bonus is pretty strong cause orb -> verdant -> 5 people with lifebind and insurance
nah afraid not
Still wondering why Blizzard don't pay streamers like Jack to bounce off ideas before implementing them and save thousands in development cycles.
Cuz I do it for free w these videos 😂
@@AutomaticJak that's unfair Jak u have the best content out there by far, tons of dedication I agree they should pay you as an advisor
i think power word shield should have 2 or 3 charges so u can safe someone in desperate need
that would be op
Make it instant and infinite, just impose a mana cost
@@sundgaw good old times of disc.. would wish they bring it back with no cd...
Why get rid of shields for disc when thats what that spec is supposed to be about that dont make no sense to me or my dog
same big dog
I lvl'd a priest to 80, siren isled him, got the 4 set, was about 595 ilvl before i started a m+2 boralus as holy. I logged out after the second wipe on the first boss and never looked back. Mad respect to all current healers dealing with this shit. That isnt fun at all.
I just miss the old Surge of Light that worked on Smite, it would be such a good QoL for Discipline to AoE heal a bit while moving!
Do you have a ui video? What do you use for your health bars?
In the description on my website yeah. I use Cell
Why burn disc into the dirt 😢
So echo + VE does not apply contract to all the targets? Very sad
Jak, what is your opinion on bear/R Sham and P Pal/R Druid combos..... I'm looking at that for next season (me as the tank)
Both tanks looked good so far but my data pool is a bit low atm
Swap Lightwell with Answered Prayers, and remove Resonate Words allowing base power to be baked into spells, and I think Holy will do a lot better. Maybe give PoM more scaling in a dungeon like it gets in PvP. See how it flows after that.
I have to disagree a little bit on the resto shaman damage output. You said it'# not that important but i would argue that it's not that important if the damage output of the other healers stay low. The monk even in season 1 can produce a crazy output (i've seen first boss of mists a mw monk that did 800k dps). For M+ sake people will prefer the healer that can do the most amount of damage, that is also why in season one the highest keys are done by disc priest and mw monks even if the last one is not in meta.
800k is not that much on 1st boss mists, saw basically every healer doing over 1mil at this boss. And no, the highest keys are not about healer damage, we are not in shadowlands. Its about surviving, thats the only reason why Aug is meta. And Disc has big hps and a lot external cds with Bubble, Rapture, 2x Pain Sup
Currently even for +19 keys. The keys are still bricking mainly due to death and survivability issues. The timer still isn't that tight at the current highest key level.
Any idea is evoker will forgo tier and just aim for all stand alone?
I really hated the smite spam to get squid back
I really don’t understand why blizzard keeps reworking every spec like every month it seems good god. Quit fucking with the specs and just toon them accordingly it’s ridiculous. I mean adding stuff is fine more choices, but removing stuff such as rapture is just a major L.
The disc rework just seems bad as well as unnecessary.
What's your take about oracle holy for M+ in 11.1? I'm playing it currently and I find it more entertaining and flexible than archon.
I’ve always been a big Oracle fan for HPriest. I have another archon/infinite apoth setup I wanna try for keys but I do think if holy was to be used for pushing big keys that you’d run Oracle
"Pres feels really good... a lot of outside factors are bothering it." This is exactly how I felt playing Pres earlier in this season.
Imho Pres & MW monk are tied at the top for just how satisfying it is to push buttons -- it's just that the meta favors MW a good bit more.
Pres main here. .Can confirm. Even if I get burned out on healing, I just keep returning to Pres. the sheer depth of this calss and the shit you can do alongside options you get is just way too damn satisfying
Pres plays how most reactive healers should play imo.
Idk pres is a bit overcomplicated for sake of being overcomplicated without it being rewarding, it will rarely feels satisfying making 5x times more effort to do what others considering the insane mental toll on top of healers nowadays.
MW is way more satisfying as it doesn't have to do with much bullshit to rely heal and especially covering mistakes, you can heal reactively and proactively at same time having some depth and setup, but not its too excessive.
And too many clunky mechanics you have to deal with like why there are still range limitations and idk why that verdant embrace flying thing still even exist it makes no sense you rarely even use it so you don't kill yourself.
@@ddddd74527 With respect, I think you might be playing the spec wrong. I wouldn't call it very complicated at all, in fact I find it to be satisfying precisely because of how fluid, mobile, & intuitive it is.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 I wouldn't call it super intuitive as they have more options to change their playstyle/rotation than any other healer and they have some really huge ramp up potential that require really deep knowledge of the fight, its hard to top up people before ramps or react to unpredictable damage as they have massive gaps into their rotation since going without spiritbloom or ve and sometimes ta into massive damage event or fucking up stasis can put you in big trouble and ve/sb/db have fairly long cd.
Meanwhile disc did the same if not more with same 4 buttons rotation every time, with really minor gaps in between mindbender until blizzard completely destoyed the spec in 11.1 . MW just click cjw and everyone is at max hp and its easier to cover unpredictable damage with just few vivifys or heal for massive amounts without much setup.
Feels bad having fun on my disc priest right now and then seeing these changes.. Couldn't they just have changed the number values if they think its too good
What they do with Disc ?! WTF ! It was Perfect 😍 I think it would be simple to Heal in Raid but very Hard in M+
Does echoing verdant embrace apply !insurance to everyone?
Nope!
12:07 no flow state feels so bad to play
Already 11.1?
Disc, the 2nd most played healer in season 1 m+ needed a rework.
Pres, the least played healer in season 1 m+ works great no rework needed.
And all that is attributed to... range. Would you consider it a rework if they changed all pres spells to 40 y?
As a shaman, I wish they'd fking fix [Pep-In-Your-Step] drink, so it actually restored what it promises...
Evangelism changes would have been a good opportunity to try the whole "does more healing in 5m content"... but it goes against the idea of the disc priest being atonement healer... the disc changes seem really wack, the nerf/buff to pw:s and losing rapture is all just really strange changes.
Yo may i have your omnicd profile please? tried to set mine to looks like yours but i just cant lol
It’s in the description
Thanks for the updates Jak! Still no clue what to play, not even sure if there will be a healer slot for me next season. Which healers do the most damage (while also not letting your party die) in 11.1?
Mistweaver for sure
Holy Priest hype
I agree and even on 1 min CD it was the only lifesaver we had
Totemic shaman and the tidebringer talent is the gameplay i always wanted for my resto shaman. Having to sit down for 1,5 seconds before each pull to squeeze in a tiny bit of mana, is not.
A buff to riptide and reduced cd would solve this and help with the forced movement hell that i see from the ptr coverage.
They realy would have to buff farseer by a lot. I'm never going back to healing rain with cast time in m+.
Rsham: No one will play Whispering Waves bcs blizzard forgot that we will lost Nerubian 4set (Tidal wave is 80% more effective). So Healing wave will be absolutely slow for spam = RIP talent and they can remove it with next fixes :D They can add only 1 good talent instead of Whispering Waves and it is Chain harvest :) Anyway Chain heal+riptide Farseer is new way now or still Chain heal Totemic but with lot of Innervates.
Stillll totemic
Why do I have to press 350 buttons on resto shaman compared to 5 on my holy priest. Game makes no sense.
Still disappointed Oracle Disc Priest is still so janky. It would have been my preferred combination to play. Now I'm a situation where I want to play my goblin priest but I don't really vibe with it's healing.
I might go healer on 11.1
But I gonna wait for the 'final' balancing. Gameplaywise I will go hpala or priest for m+
Thanks for the update! Well done.
Light well should spot empowered renew not basic ones
i think disc is super fun right now it’s stupid as fuck they would change it the way they are
super fun lol.. you always do the same shit, its the most boring spec of WoW
@ literally every class u do the same shit disc can do fat burst of huge healing and damage it is fun as fuck
They should have replaced prayer of healing with circle. I have never liked prayer. Also don't like having everything based around apotheosis. Just another cooldown to monitor that will only be used for oh shit moments.
Well they can count my disc out of queues for 10+ imma go play hc
Hope blizzard devs see your video jak and learn from it and fix disc , I just feel sad that disc is so weak and weird to play right now and i know getting into pug groups is going to be impossible if things go this way for disc priest
Really disapointed by the Evoker 4set, still hoping it gets a rework
HE'S THE GOAT
They REALLY need to change the class tree for priest. Its horrible
if blizz wants to stick on low range on pres the only thing it can safe it is being able to cast everything while moving is my suggestion
Yeah, again, they have some sort of religious edict about preservation's range being worse compared to every other healer. Won't touch the spec with a 10' pole until they fix it.
Blizzard need to scrap Verdant Embrace or make worth talent to use. Whenever I played Prev Evoker, I barely ever used Verdent Embrace.
Actually just scrap Verdant Embrace completely. It just sucks 😂
im so sad about the healer evoker set... feels rly shitty
Yet again not good enough with the Holy Priest rework. DF S4 fell flat and was half hearted, this just seems the same again, taking it in poor directions and not listening to what players want, and continuing to fail to tackle the core problems with HPriest in serious content.
I asked for the Purge of the Wicked to be swapped to Shadow because Twilight Equilibrium works well with Disc Oracle
Sorry!
happy to skip this season. They removed the fun from Disci, Holy priest still is not a thing, and the dungeon remains bad. So, GL and see you for season 3
Season 3 could be worse
Said every m+er ever before playing the season
@gooseg3822 said every other healer that wasn't a disc for all but like 3 seasons.
See you in season 2
Heavy doubt.
Disc is junked,
Second
Healing is outdated
Another tier, another video with Jak dismissively talking down oracle because it doesn't feel like voidweaver. It's ok to just say you don't like it and don't play it well.
😂😂😂 show me your title level keys with oracle disc
Link your character for real, hard to understand where you are coming from if we don't know what level content you are performing.
He is not entirely wrong, if you really want challenge, go push keys with Oracle... solo pug.
Everyone knows that Voidweaver can perform, it's expected, just like a Ferarri to go fast.
The line between challenge and clunky is very thin.
@@whereisthesurvivalhunter9525 If you want challenge, push +18 keys with void in pug. It's the same.
@@AutomaticJak he never claimed to be a title player tho