group polarization example: current republican party supporting and enabling an ethnocentric and discriminatory ex-president who encouraged an insurrection, profited from his office, and completely ignored a pandemic that has killed over 400K people in the US so far
Is it possible for one to be both ethnocentric and a cultural relativist? My college professor is basing it off of the example: Suppose you are a soilder deployed to a foreign land and you observe traditions and practices like, enslavement of a minority population, sexual explortation of children, or other similar practices.
I think that's the difference between Absolute Cultural Relativism and Critical Cultural Relativism. Absolute Cultural Relativism is the stance that we shouldn't interfere in or judge any other cultures for any reason. Whereas Critical Cultural Relativism is viewing the culture based on who it is harming/helping. For instance, some orthodox muslim cultures still believe that girls shouldn't receive an education. You can take an Absolute Cultural Relativist stance and say, "That's okay. It's none of my business." Or you can take a Critical Cultural Relativist stance and say: "It's okay that you're muslim, but that practice is not okay. Girls should have the right to an education." Another example would be: Nazi Germany. An Absolute Cultural Relativist would say: "It's not right for us to interfere in a war that has nothing to do with us. It's their culture to discriminate and murder thousands of jews (it was actually about six million)." A Critical Cultural Relativist would say: "It's okay for you to be German. It's even okay for you to be a Nazi! But to commit genocide and discriminate against a group of people. That's not okay." What you're describing about the soldier is being a Critical Cultural Relativist. The soldier recognizes that these people's cultures are different from his/hers, but that doesn't free them from critical evaluation-who does their culture benefit, who does it oppress. Sorry if my answer was long-winded. Hope this helps! =)
@@travishanes3620 Good explanation but one of your examples was incorrect. There is zero 'orthodox Muslim' cultures that believe that girls shouldn't be educated. There are some cultures in certain parts of the world who happen to live in a Muslim culture, in heavily populated Muslim area who have such beliefs (for examples some pashtuns) but this has zero connection to orthodox Islam. i.e. Islam didn't, doesn't and never has taught them that girls shouldn't be educated. Rather, this is something they have as part of their ethnic, rather than religious beliefs. People are have many identifiers culturally. e.g. a person can be Afghan, Pashtun, Muslim.... which identifier can we attribute to which of his behavioural practices? Hope this helps.
Sir why don't you make anthropology luctures since many of ur luctures have been watching by upsc aspirants...as ur explaining in a great way .. I would love to watch ur lucture series... 🙏
Fascinating topic. I hear anthropologists making the case over and over that it is wrong to rank cultures, there are differences but it is wrong to believe that some cultures are better than others. And give examples like Arctic hunters and modern urbanites. Neither could do well in the other's environment. A fair point. But it seems to me that there are clear objective indicators and that many cry out for ranking. A few examples: 1. Athens and Spata 2. Modern Liberal Democratic and Totalitarian sociries 3. Jewish culture. Notice the huge number of Nobel prizes won by people of Jewish ancestry. 4. American Civil War North and South. 5. Latin and North American society. Notice how millions of Latin Americans are boring with their feet to get to the United States. 6. Muslim and Judeo-Chtristian culture. To me the essential characteristic is freedom. To what extent does the culture promote freedom, enabling individuals to pursue their innate abilities to the fullest. I never hear that from anthropologists.
These comments are kinda depressing. Everyone is either missing the point of the video or getting angry over genital mutilation as if the author of the video was actually agreeing with cultural relativism himself.
I think, it's even important to do this within the family unit. My husband doesn't want our daughter to wear makeup (mascara) because of how men think of women. And I said if he was going to have this conversation with her, he better damn well have the conversation with our son. Culture within culture.
@@grubbybum3614 😆 sure. If that's your thing. I personally grew up listening to hair bands and green day, so they actually wore more makeup than the women influences. 🤔 😅
So, the ethnocentric view of social science is that we ought not judge from our own point of view, but consider the point of view from a different perspective. A bit socio-centric.
How can you see why your friend would like eating insects if you think they are disgusting...This is ridiculous. Why not just be honest with yourself and your friend and say "no thank you" but thanks for offering it. There's nothing wrong with thinking something about another culture is gross as long as you don't think that they are lesser people for being different. Mind gymnastics is fake and not necessary. Sorry but eating a bug is gross "to me" and I'm fine feeling that way.
At 3 mins - "cultural relativism can somewhat falter when someone uses it to violate the rights and dignities of human beings, no matter the culture" this is just plain wrong. He already said that there is no absolute right and wrong under CR so what rights and dignities is he talking about?
@@PedroRodriguez-eg8gk you've just replace the word "absolute" with "universal". As this video explains (poorly) there is no universal measure of right and wrong if you're a cultural relativist.
@@alkaholic3881 Its even more self centred than that. I'm hearing "there is no right and wrong unless people violate what I THINK is a universal principle of right and wrong"
@@ManTop4 No that's exactly what cultural relativism isn't. However, of course, someone could proclaim they are a cultural relativist and then go against that by making cultural/moral exceptions.
Are you saying there is no right and wrong? hehe... you need to think about all of the stuff you have been explaining. Self reference. Apply your ideas to the ideas themselves.
Stop calling people who reject cultural relativism "ethnocentric". Many of them just don't take that thing called "culture" for granted and base their values on independent thinking. Cultural relativism is itself a product of the Western ethnocentrists who think that morality is just an arbitrary "social construct" rather than being based on a transcendent standard. People from many other cultures don't think like that. They believe that morality is given by God or by an universal transcendent moral law like dharma or tao. Suggesting that all cultures adopt the ideea of cultural relativism as a basis for international cooperation is self-contradictory since it requires people from many non-Western cultures to abandon their views about the source of morality.
None of this makes sense. Religion in itself is culture. Therefore, if you base judgments of other cultures on your religion, then you’re by definition, ethnocentric.
And what you're asking them to do is respect this difference in worldview. So, to see your culture as correct and true for you. Cultural relativism based approach
We can see the extremism and the whole notion of feeling threatened by out-groups on the news and on social media: in fact, that is what the Donald appealed to in his Presidential campaign. We see this in the persecution complex of the Religious Right.
LMFAO The same guy who wouldn't weep at ALL about females being beheaded in islam because of cultural relativism seems pretty willing to throw shade at a culture he neither knows nor has any experience with! PS Christians and right wing people ARE persecuted in the west idiot!
@@mikekane2492 This is a rather dumb argument. Citing individual crimes doesn't mean that that is what the culture teaches. What happened to Hina and Palestina are both incorrect according to their respective cultures (Pakistani/Palestinian). Both those cultures consider such acts as abominations and crimes. It is like me saying that there are over 100,000 rapes every year in America and thus American cultural promotes such acts. So when Jill says you need to understand female circumcision from inside the cultures - she is right. For example, there is a difference between fgm and labiaplasty. Also, the various cultures who practice FGM tend to be small numbers of specific sub-cultures who live within a larger culture that see the practice as wrong. The issue here comes when people tarnish the main culture of a region of those small sub-cultures who do practice FGM - EVEN THOUGH the main culture consider the practice wrong and make such acts illegal. Its like me taking an act performed by Travellers (a British gypsy society) as part of their culture and then tarnishing the whole British culture as if they are the source for that practice. And finally - your final paragraph kinds of reveals the prejudicial standpoint you are coming from. I guess you are one of those people who hate religion without much knowledge of them?
Wow. This is a vast over simplification and distortion of an important issue. Context is important. If you switch the fried insects fir genital mutilation it is less cute. When other cultures commit acts which are ok fir them but illegal in the country where they reside is is wrong to turn a blind eye. It is racist to deny minorities the same rights and social protections from abuse as everyone else. Awful video. Can’t believe such misleading claptrap can be so poorly explained.
The language you use can also cause a major cause of simplification and distortion of an important issue. If we replace the word genital mutilation with labiaplasty, then we don't have to worry about whether it sounds cute or not. Cultural labiaplasty is often mixed up with FGM. And let us be clear - female genital mutilation as practiced by some African tribes is clearly harmful and a practice that should stop. Hopefully through education it can be stopped.
Do not care for this video he speaks too slow and doesn't seem organized. I have a schedule to keep and waiting for him to finish his spiel is painful!
Have my final and no time to wait, eating my lunch and watching this video
after 4 years, how did it go?
@@Chaelisa3654I also am curious to know lol
group polarization example: current republican party supporting and enabling an ethnocentric and discriminatory ex-president who encouraged an insurrection, profited from his office, and completely ignored a pandemic that has killed over 400K people in the US so far
In other words, fuck trump
This was really helpful! Thank you!
Is it possible for one to be both ethnocentric and a cultural relativist? My college professor is basing it off of the example: Suppose you are a soilder deployed to a foreign land and you observe traditions and practices like, enslavement of a minority population, sexual explortation of children, or other similar practices.
I think that's the difference between Absolute Cultural Relativism and Critical Cultural Relativism. Absolute Cultural Relativism is the stance that we shouldn't interfere in or judge any other cultures for any reason. Whereas Critical Cultural Relativism is viewing the culture based on who it is harming/helping.
For instance, some orthodox muslim cultures still believe that girls shouldn't receive an education. You can take an Absolute Cultural Relativist stance and say, "That's okay. It's none of my business." Or you can take a Critical Cultural Relativist stance and say: "It's okay that you're muslim, but that practice is not okay. Girls should have the right to an education."
Another example would be: Nazi Germany. An Absolute Cultural Relativist would say: "It's not right for us to interfere in a war that has nothing to do with us. It's their culture to discriminate and murder thousands of jews (it was actually about six million)." A Critical Cultural Relativist would say: "It's okay for you to be German. It's even okay for you to be a Nazi! But to commit genocide and discriminate against a group of people. That's not okay."
What you're describing about the soldier is being a Critical Cultural Relativist. The soldier recognizes that these people's cultures are different from his/hers, but that doesn't free them from critical evaluation-who does their culture benefit, who does it oppress.
Sorry if my answer was long-winded. Hope this helps! =)
@@travishanes3620 Good explanation but one of your examples was incorrect. There is zero 'orthodox Muslim' cultures that believe that girls shouldn't be educated. There are some cultures in certain parts of the world who happen to live in a Muslim culture, in heavily populated Muslim area who have such beliefs (for examples some pashtuns) but this has zero connection to orthodox Islam. i.e. Islam didn't, doesn't and never has taught them that girls shouldn't be educated. Rather, this is something they have as part of their ethnic, rather than religious beliefs. People are have many identifiers culturally. e.g. a person can be Afghan, Pashtun, Muslim.... which identifier can we attribute to which of his behavioural practices?
Hope this helps.
superbe vidéo !
easy-to-understand explanation . thank you !
Sir why don't you make anthropology luctures since many of ur luctures have been watching by upsc aspirants...as ur explaining in a great way .. I would love to watch ur lucture series... 🙏
what is a lucture? What is spelling? What is grammar?
Fascinating topic.
I hear anthropologists making the case over and over that it is wrong to rank cultures, there are differences but it is wrong to believe that some cultures are better than others. And give examples like Arctic hunters and modern urbanites. Neither could do well in the other's environment. A fair point. But it seems to me that there are clear objective indicators and that many cry out for ranking.
A few examples:
1. Athens and Spata
2. Modern Liberal Democratic and Totalitarian sociries
3. Jewish culture. Notice the huge number of Nobel prizes won by people of Jewish ancestry.
4. American Civil War North and South.
5. Latin and North American society. Notice how millions of Latin Americans are boring with their feet to get to the United States.
6. Muslim and Judeo-Chtristian culture.
To me the essential characteristic is freedom. To what extent does the culture promote freedom, enabling individuals to pursue their innate abilities to the fullest. I never hear that from anthropologists.
That is an interesting perspective. Thank you Mr. Weidner.
These comments are kinda depressing. Everyone is either missing the point of the video or getting angry over genital mutilation as if the author of the video was actually agreeing with cultural relativism himself.
god bless you! you r my angel
I think, it's even important to do this within the family unit. My husband doesn't want our daughter to wear makeup (mascara) because of how men think of women. And I said if he was going to have this conversation with her, he better damn well have the conversation with our son. Culture within culture.
Well it's probably inappropriate for you son to wear mascara too, tbh.
@@grubbybum3614 😆 sure. If that's your thing. I personally grew up listening to hair bands and green day, so they actually wore more makeup than the women influences. 🤔 😅
It's really helpful
It's better than gynocentrism
nah that's better
editing out all the constant 3-4 second pauses would do wonders
I didn’t mind .. it gave my brain time to process the info , lol
I disagree. I thought it was fine.
So, the ethnocentric view of social science is that we ought not judge from our own point of view, but consider the point of view from a different perspective. A bit socio-centric.
How can you see why your friend would like eating insects if you think they are disgusting...This is ridiculous. Why not just be honest with yourself and your friend and say "no thank you" but thanks for offering it. There's nothing wrong with thinking something about another culture is gross as long as you don't think that they are lesser people for being different. Mind gymnastics is fake and not necessary. Sorry but eating a bug is gross "to me" and I'm fine feeling that way.
E Salamat ....he literally says “it’s not for me BUT I can understand why he does it”....that’s what you are saying as well.
Refer Sayed bilal sociology point wise class
At 3 mins - "cultural relativism can somewhat falter when someone uses it to violate the rights and dignities of human beings, no matter the culture" this is just plain wrong. He already said that there is no absolute right and wrong under CR so what rights and dignities is he talking about?
Universal things like killing is bad, lying is bad etc
@@PedroRodriguez-eg8gk you've just replace the word "absolute" with "universal". As this video explains (poorly) there is no universal measure of right and wrong if you're a cultural relativist.
@@ManTop4 They doint wan tos ay it out loud but what they mean is European culture BAD everything else is GREAT!
@@alkaholic3881 Its even more self centred than that. I'm hearing "there is no right and wrong unless people violate what I THINK is a universal principle of right and wrong"
@@ManTop4 No that's exactly what cultural relativism isn't. However, of course, someone could proclaim they are a cultural relativist and then go against that by making cultural/moral exceptions.
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Are you saying there is no right and wrong? hehe... you need to think about all of the stuff you have been explaining. Self reference. Apply your ideas to the ideas themselves.
Stop calling people who reject cultural relativism "ethnocentric". Many of them just don't take that thing called "culture" for granted and base their values on independent thinking. Cultural relativism is itself a product of the Western ethnocentrists who think that morality is just an arbitrary "social construct" rather than being based on a transcendent standard. People from many other cultures don't think like that. They believe that morality is given by God or by an universal transcendent moral law like dharma or tao. Suggesting that all cultures adopt the ideea of cultural relativism as a basis for international cooperation is self-contradictory since it requires people from many non-Western cultures to abandon their views about the source of morality.
None of this makes sense. Religion in itself is culture. Therefore, if you base judgments of other cultures on your religion, then you’re by definition, ethnocentric.
And what you're asking them to do is respect this difference in worldview. So, to see your culture as correct and true for you. Cultural relativism based approach
Lol this makes zero sense. Go touch some grass.
Thank god the British were ethnocentric when they stopped slavery.
why
@@knucklesbr2785 or they would have respected the rights of slavers and nations that had slavery and done nothing.
@@paulbriody297 Yes, that's an interesting example that illustrates why cultural relativism is such a silly idea in practice; too many exceptions.
We can see the extremism and the whole notion of feeling threatened by out-groups on the news and on social media: in fact, that is what the Donald appealed to in his Presidential campaign. We see this in the persecution complex of the Religious Right.
LMFAO The same guy who wouldn't weep at ALL about females being beheaded in islam because of cultural relativism seems pretty willing to throw shade at a culture he neither knows nor has any experience with! PS Christians and right wing people ARE persecuted in the west idiot!
Replace 'fried insects' with 'genital mutilation' and the video falls apart...
Thanks for the re-quote
@@mikekane2492 This is a rather dumb argument. Citing individual crimes doesn't mean that that is what the culture teaches. What happened to Hina and Palestina are both incorrect according to their respective cultures (Pakistani/Palestinian). Both those cultures consider such acts as abominations and crimes. It is like me saying that there are over 100,000 rapes every year in America and thus American cultural promotes such acts. So when Jill says you need to understand female circumcision from inside the cultures - she is right.
For example, there is a difference between fgm and labiaplasty. Also, the various cultures who practice FGM tend to be small numbers of specific sub-cultures who live within a larger culture that see the practice as wrong. The issue here comes when people tarnish the main culture of a region of those small sub-cultures who do practice FGM - EVEN THOUGH the main culture consider the practice wrong and make such acts illegal. Its like me taking an act performed by Travellers (a British gypsy society) as part of their culture and then tarnishing the whole British culture as if they are the source for that practice.
And finally - your final paragraph kinds of reveals the prejudicial standpoint you are coming from. I guess you are one of those people who hate religion without much knowledge of them?
Great video
et ce ratio il est great ?
@@noedubois2145 of course man !!!
The audio is annoying. Don't know if it's the accent or your mic.
Nice example but language is horrible
sophomoric
This video makes Philosophy 101-level errors.
This really means nothing without you expanding on what those errors are. No real purpose of commenting this huh?
Common sense lol
Wow. This is a vast over simplification and distortion of an important issue. Context is important. If you switch the fried insects fir genital mutilation it is less cute. When other cultures commit acts which are ok fir them but illegal in the country where they reside is is wrong to turn a blind eye. It is racist to deny minorities the same rights and social protections from abuse as everyone else. Awful video. Can’t believe such misleading claptrap can be so poorly explained.
He mentioned such implications briefly. The video wasn't great, true. I wouldn't call it awful though. Just very basic.
@@BenDover-ek1zp True, I may be a little zealous. I am concerned that people are, for want of a less inappropriate phrase, "taking it as gospel".:)
The language you use can also cause a major cause of simplification and distortion of an important issue. If we replace the word genital mutilation with labiaplasty, then we don't have to worry about whether it sounds cute or not. Cultural labiaplasty is often mixed up with FGM. And let us be clear - female genital mutilation as practiced by some African tribes is clearly harmful and a practice that should stop. Hopefully through education it can be stopped.
Do not care for this video he speaks too slow and doesn't seem organized. I have a schedule to keep and waiting for him to finish his spiel is painful!
You’re complaining about an 8 minute video?
I don't understand your accent, too strong!!!!!!