Airliner Runs Out of Fuel & Can't Land
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2023
- The pilots are about to finish a 15-hour flight when what happened next would challenge the crew to save the lives of the 370 passengers onboard.
The flight began like any other typical flight. A 777 aircraft was scheduled to fly to John F Kennedy airport in New York. Weather in the New York area consisted of low clouds. Normally, this would not be a problem for such an advanced aircraft as the 777. However, as the pilots make their first attempt to land, they encounter multiple instrument failures. Low on gas and running out of options, the pilots are pushed to their limit to try and find an option to land and save all 370 people onboard.
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This pilot sounded like a true professional…as did the guy in the tower. Those passengers were very lucky to be in such capable hands.
I thought so, too. very communicative. clear, and intelligent. Very good aviation.
The pilot was running out of fuel.
He initially lied to ATC about the cause of missed approach.
They didn’t load enough fuel on takeoff.
They had to have information dragged out of them by ATC.
They didn’t declare an emergency to not lose face.
Apart from that he was great - and he got lucky.
@@hugolindum7728 lol don't talk such nonsense. It was a 15hr flight, fueling is calculated by the airline program. They had enough fuel for a go-around and divert and due to instrument failures were burning this extra fuel.
You sure? This pilot could have (should have) given vital information about his situation tot he controller much sooner.
@LazerDon271 that's one excuse.. how about the other ten issues?
Pilots have to be absolutely cold blooded under such intense pressure! Hats off to this pilot for how well he handled such a stressful emergency
Cold blooded? …. More like Drunk. A lot of Pilots drink when they drive ….that includes Planes. It’s a”Brotherhood” like Doctors and Police. They cover each other’s Butt when they are drinking heavily.
Winter east coast US commonly has low ceilings under 1000’ for thousands of miles in every direction, lasting days or weeks at a time. Flying in there w no ILS is like flying in w no landing gear, and then pretending to do something while calling atc w ‘we are working the problem’.
not to be picky, but thousands would be all the way to california at least.
It's an "Emergency" the pilots created. Having flown for 15 hours already. They should have requested weather info earlier. They then could have declared a low fuel situation earlier to have more options to divert to.
They have to remember that take offs are optional. Landing is inevitable.
@@hhr1985how's that armchair Mr quarterback? How's the back seat working out for you?
I noticed the pilot never seemed to be rattled. Professionalism saved this bird.
It amazes me how both the pilots and controllers seem to remain so calm in times like this. I was getting really anxious just watching as everything was unfolding, not knowing the outcome. I was so relieved to know they made it down safely.
we never really know the stresses a pilot endures getting us down safely. Huge respect.
Passengers had no idea how close they came.
Yep! Hats off to all these pilots, crews, controllers, mechanics, and engineers. They are valued much more than they know…
Ive got several mates who were ground crew for SAA. Sadly, our national Airline is a mere shadow of its former excellence. You're right, it takes many souls and many hours of intense preparation to fly us around the world safely. This is why I can't understand entitled passengers who think the sun sets when they sit down. @@panhead55
I can tell you that sometimes it is way more than most people imagine. And on almost all of those times people in the back have no idea anything was out of the ordinary. It doesn't take a situationa as extraordinary as this one to increase the stress levels.
I.L.S. system? So it's part of the Instrument Landing System System.
Pilot had ice in his veins: no fuel, no instruments, no visibility. I would have been sh1tting myself!
Yeah, no chance doing that when the pucker factor is above a million! 😂
Lol
Maybe that was one of the problems.
Oh, man, that pilot did an amazing job keeping his stuff together and getting his precious cargo down on the ground safely. Much respect to the entire flight crew of this airliner.
I highly disagree... this was extremely painful to listen to.
What was in the cargo hold, diamonds?
People. The precious cargo was/were his passengers. I agree, amazing job keeping his..stuff..together.
@@dmsheckler you dont know what you are talking about
@@on3sh0t81 Agree. He's a moron.
This pilot sounded calm and professional the whole time.
That help a lot 🎉
This may be unrelated, but I flew the ILS 4R dozens of times at JFK when I was New York based. This was ALWAYS a problem; we would lose the localizer almost completely more than a mile out. There used to even be a note about it on our approach plates. I always dreaded going in there with weather less than about 500 feet. These pilots may have never been to JFK before, so they didn't know about the wonky localizer. Combined with all of the other failures in their aircraft, they got way closer to disaster than they should have. I have no idea why JFK's localizer was so bad.
eric..simple u should know bc FAA Suckkkks.. can't even fix simple stuff out of action down lots airport equip navaids etc Everywhere... FAA could care less total incompetent clowns 🤡 in bed w Boeing...duhhh
This wasn't that.
The pilots reported multiple instrumentation failures.
Shocking that a localiser was not maintained well enough
What?! That’s unreal! The aircraft in this video ended up executing the VNAV approach at Newark and not the ILS approach correct?
With redundancy being the saving grace of airliners, couldn't JFK (or other airports) put in multiple localizers?
Just a couple of points. So many professional aviators seem to have a fobia about declaring an emergency. One of the most important items that gives you is to deviate from any regulation to the extent needed to meet the emergency. Very unlikely but they could have been violated for decending below mins or accepting the ILS when they know they were unable to shoot that approach. Had they declared an emergency they would have avoided all that and also received special handling. Now the controllers in this case treated them as if they were an emergency aircraft but they never declared it. Possible explanation for much of their comm being not that clear is the 15 hour flight time and fatigue. Most of their comm was very professional and I have the impression that these were great aviators. The controllers also handled this flight in a calm and professional way giving them all the support they could. Final comment is realted to your narration of this video. You did a wonderful job of relating the entire event. Your explanation of technical items were clear and understandable to all who may have watched this video. As a retired airline pilot with over 40 years of experence, I found this video to be excellently presneted and very imformative of the event that took place. I look forward to more of your videos and have subscribed to your channel.Thanks again!
They should be made an example of, lose their license to fly in US airspace. Perhaps in future pilots will be more willing to declare an emergency when an emergency exists, if they knew they'd face consequences for not doing so.
@@isbestlizard Under the circumstance who cares ... They got a a sh_t hand dealt to them and made the best of it and everyone was ok as well as the crippled plane...
LMFAO.. professional pilots are all educated... esp retired 40+ year airline pilots and Phobia is spelled PHOBIA not fobia. Look dude, they got on the ground safely and the passengers on the ground safely, they delt with a changing environment the best they could, and it worked. I'd say they did alright. Nothing worse than armchair pilots, esp retired has-beens who think they know everything.
fobia.. Phobia. 👍😊
Yeah, I was going to ask about that. It was obviously an emergency but they never declared it. Would this be a fuel emergency or some other emergency that ended up in a fuel emergency? (Not a pilot here, excuse my ignorance).
One of your best debriefs. The awareness you showed regarding jargon, and clarifying certain aspects of the scenario that your audience may not be able to understand or visualize, really brought this one up a notch.
Agreed. This is what I appreciate about his videos. He's not just repeating what's happening with no useful information. He's actually explaining things and he also often makes suggestions of how pilots can learn from the incident covered.
It's the best one I've seen, and I've seen many. He put in layman's terms what was going on. Almost a miracle that they landed safely.
@@Void-Realmyes, and he’s a retired US fighter pilot and currently a commercial pilot. Debriefs are a common occurrence. Consider the simple question - “what could you have done differently?”
Man, I'm loving this channel, and I don't even fly. This was a real suspense story. I'm just imagining the passengers getting annoyed at the delay and the redirect, and never really knowing how close they came to oblivion. This is some first-rate storytelling my friend.
I wonder how many if any passengers knew how close they came to crashing that day. I can’t imagine being a commercial pilot having so many lives in my hands. These pilots did a great job
The pilot seemed pretty competent, but he should have shared more about the nature of the instrument failures sooner with ATC. When weather is a factor its always best to trust ATC to help and give all the information that you know to them so they can help more effectively. It is no sin to be dealing with a semi-emergency and ask for help.
Thank God this pilot was very clear with the issues he was dealt. Mad respect.
What? No he wasn’t. His accent was terrible, and a lot of problems would have been avoided if he spoke clearly.
I really felt for him as his voice broke slightly when he heard about the emergency vehicles. A very brave and professional man.
The lesson I learned of such a situation is that as soon as you have a problem, you should declare a Pan Pan or a mayday to be clearly understood by ATC.
Agree they would know a while back they were running out of gas
It was not, yet, any kind of emergency. 25% of those long flights land with less than an hour of fuel remaining. It is VERY common. The 777 in the video still had 45 minutes of fuel left. (7500kg/hr cruising; or 8200kg/hr landing; so I figured it at 9000kg/hr consumption rate just to be on the safe side.) Their main problem was finding a long runway with good enough visibility for a VFR landing within a short range. IMO, they could have looked a little farther inland, farther from the marine effects -- fog, mist, etc. They had enough fuel to fly for 45 more minutes. But it didn't look as though local conditions were improving fast enough to hang around. They had another 15 minutes to decide what to do? Should I stay or should I go?
@@sailor-rickProblem is they couldn’t land
@@effkay3691 Really?
Wow! Nice & clear description.
The pilot did say very early on that he lost his instruments. What he didn't stress enough early on was how critical his fuel was. However, both he and the ATC did a very professional job, cool under immense pressure, and saved the lives of 370 people who probably never knew just how close they came to deaths door.
The plane should be able to convert the pounds or gallons to minutes
He was obscure
In reality, death's door is almost always near you. Just think about all the things you count on to operate (or be operated by someone else) correctly around you to avoid potential injury or death. You must also depend on your body itself to operate correctly when eating, walking, running, driving, etc.
@@FrankAnzalone Gallons is a useless measure in big airplane aviation. First off, U.S vs. Imperial and EU uses liters. Pounds onboard eliminates density variables and easily converts to time in a standard everyone understands (ATC, emergency responders, pilot and dispatchers). The G.E.-90 engines burn about 6,000 pounds per engine per hour, slightly more for the bigger airframes of the -227ER and the -300. The math is hardly a problem for the pilots.
I think when brain fatigue sets in it's difficult to be how you might be when relaxed and calm. -if you listen to other such incidents-Mentour Pilot I think, you hear of pilots after 9 hours going into various brain fatigue, loss of touch with reality especially early hours of the morning ( forgot the word to describe it) etc situations -so despite me agreeing with you-I cannot blame them for the mere reason of facing all at once mind you, the over all stress, frightening alarm sounds and long haul flight hours! They were brilliant keeping it cool!
So impressed by this pilot staying so calm in this situation. A true hero.
Once again, NOT a hero. A person doing his job.
@@sweynforkbeardtraindude piss off troll
A person doing his job well in order to protect 370 lives. You can do a job and be a hero at the same time.
And managed to be polite throughout this ordeal
What impresses me are the critical mistakes they committed as a crew, the poor judgement and lack of capacity to make better decisions for those souls on board under their care. Their communication in English with air traffic controllers really suck, and the unproper instrumentation maintenance by the company became evident turning into a serious liability. I can go all day! They exhibited poor flight planning skills that kill, nonsensical alternate sequencing and negligent control to destination. Poor navigation, weather briefing and forecasting. Frankly, it's a miracle they landed that triple 7 and passengers walk off that plane.
That pilot was super professional and polite - very scary situation.
That was like hearing a very suspenseful audiobook. Very well done. Those Air India pilots deserve a lot of respect.
No. They don’t. That plane should never have left Delhi and they knew it.
@@wallyballou7417 I agree with you on the fuel reserve but the fact they kept it together when it became a crisis deserved some form of respect. They could have reacted differently and wound up with a terrible outcome.
@@wallyballou7417 Help me understand why you said that, please.
@@garrettswoodworx1873 Because the flight took off with several critical systems malfunctioning. Moreover, it was obvious there was a cascading system problem while the plane was enroute. They should have never taken off. And having taken off, they should never have continued into IFR conditions with only 1 radar altimeter functioning. Incredibly irresponsible.
@@wallyballou7417 What comic book did you read that in. It must be an exclusive issue.
I was on the edge of my seat listening to this. The poise and professionalism of the flight crew and controllers in this terrifying situation was remarkable.
Haven't flown for 50 years, but remember what was called a GCA -- Ground Controlled Approach. Pilot talked directly to a controller, who gave directions on glide slope and glide path. Just like an ILS, but by voice rather than instruments. Is there no longer the GCA?
Military still doing GCAs
The pilot was amazing! He kept his cool throughout the whole scenario! Well done!
That 20 minute video flew by quickly. I was totally engrossed in the outcome. Hats off to ATC and the flying crew.
Hats off to that pilot who remained cool, calm, and amazingly polite!
@@GeofenceVictim That was some cool-headed panic.
@@GeofenceVictimhe sounds good to me. I have seen complete panic.
@@GeofenceVictimracist much?
God clearly brought them home safely. He works in mysterious ways.
I’d say there was concern in his voice. He was always working his problem, which is what stops when panic sets in.
Man that was tense! I bet the passengers never knew how close they came. The pilots stayed so cool. 👏🏻
Wow! Seriously impressive flying and calm communications. Whenever I fly, I would love to have that guy sitting at the front!
Damn - that is scary! What an amazing achievement to get this aircraft safely on the ground. Respect to all concerned!
Holy moly, thank God they landed safely.
A pilot once told me the difference between a pilot worth 100,000 a year and one worth 50,000 was one thunderstorm
The pilots did an excellent job and the controllers too! One thing to learn from the video: tell controllers of your specific situation as quickly as possible so they can help you early on. A completely differnt animal are reserve fuel requirements these days (and that's already for the last 35 years at least). It's extremely tight! The reason is that fuel is weight and flying with a lot more weight would be heavy on the pocket of airlines: less passengers, an additional stopover... That's the price we pay for relatively cheap tickets - less safety margin.
Brilliant ATC with altitude check warning, and . . . magnificent pilot.
Loved the explanation - much better than just having the ATC audio and trying to work it out by myself (as a non-pilot)
With 7 tonnes of fuel I did not expect them to make it to any other airport, but these pilots are superman like, and hats-off to the controller. What a great teamwork! after 15 hours of flying, the alertness of the pilots is amazing.
As a pilot, I would recommend that you read my post this morning.. I'm not being clever.. After a 35 year career l just know how all this Should work.
I see your post got edited or at least it says it did. That was amazingly FUBAR by Air India, first they say the localizer is not working at JFK and they need a VNAV approach with higher minimums, go to EWR and accept a localizer approach from the controllers there. That was messed up bad, I can't imagine being a mouse in the jumpseat. @@jamesgraham6122
1100 hrs . Amazing pilots .
@@jamesgraham6122 There are 388 comments. I know you can see your own comment at the top of the screen on your own device, but other's cannot. Your comment is buried somewhere in the 388
There’s actually two complete flight and cabin crews on the long haulers. So they were probably into the 7th to 8th hour of wheels up. Now you can appreciate the dual crew concept. I’ve been a fatigued flightcrew member. We almost landed on a highway on a moonless night. This was going into Nice, Fr. All 3 of us were fatigued as we were on our fourth leg that day and we all saw the same illusion. I finally figured it out at the last minute and Captain Pat made a great high bank angle VFR recovery into the airport. This was truly scary, although when you’re in the moment doing your job, fear isn’t really an option. So considering all of the factors with AI 101, my educated guess is that if one flight crew were actually flying for 15 hours, this would have been a very bad outcome. Hats off to both the flightcrew and controllers. Well done.
You have to admire pilots, that after such a long flight and equipment problems, held it together and landed safely.
My stepfather was a lifer in the USAF and flew fighter jets in Vietnam and later came back stateside as aircraft support. I was a Crash Runway Specialist in the USAF(r) . Very familiar with all the terminology and after seeing a bellylanding and heated brake failures (C-130 training pilots landing and taking off on 1 mile runway) I was still biting my lip listening to the chatter back & forth between pilot and towers. Hat's off to the pilot of Air India 101 and the Tower personnel !!! I'm a subscriber to your channel now because this was a very real experience for me to listen to...
Flew six F-111Fs from Cannon AFB, NM 9+ hrs to RAF Lakenheath in ‘92…landed all jets emergency fuel in 0-0 weather after fog rolled in with no suitable alternates. Had two options on our last approach 1) hand fly the ILS and hope the runway is there when you hit the ground or eject during missed approach. We all landed safely. Saw the runway lights at eighty feet. Had a beer and then continued our combat deployment 24 hours later… 524Fighter Squadron.
I live not too far from Lakenheath & it's major road (approach of runway) the main road named the "A.1065"
I used to go on base, regularly, right up until they retired the F.111's there sometime in 1994 (replaced w/F.15's)
I found your comment interesting, as we DO often get fog & damp weather in Suffolk and of course besides....
New Mexico is one helluva long long way away - I now have a few diecast metal 1/72 models of the F.111-F's
I doubt it was just one beer!
Oh man. We were stationed at both Cannon and Lakenheath when I was a kid. F-111's ❤
Scary. Too bad commercial airliners don't have an ejection option. Maybe a river or ocean if they're lucky.
Good pilot. But that is expected from you guys.
That pilot was awesome. Calm under the worst pressure. He had the 2 things I fear the most, weather & fuel problems.
Two bullshit pilots and if both ILS radios were out their airline also.
Instrument problems.
All after flying for 15 hours straight, communicating in a non-native language, crap visibility, with cockpit alarms sounding
@@MegaBoolaBoolaEnglish is not only the international air language, but also the national language of India.
@@stevehirjak7824 English is AN official language, but less than 10% speak it, and it's almost always as a second language. My point is, that makes it even more impressive that he was still able to aviate, navigate, and COMMUNICATE, during an emergency.
Great video. I'm a retired Army helicopter pilot and some of the mistakes in these videos are just crazy. Keep up the good education.
Thanks/ as a private pilot I learn from this situation. 22 years in the military, I was tough to ID the problem /find solutions. They knew that they were low on fuel no matter what. If the ILS is malfunctioning now there are two problems. And another problem is the accent barrier. Too much time spent on non- solutions
Had a somewhat similar weather issue on a Delta flight MSP-KEF. Over Canada, Delta dispatch realized the only alternate airport our flight could reach was below weather minimums. So, even though weather in KEF was fine, we diverted to BGR to take on more fuel to make Scotland another alternate. The DTW-KEF flight had to do the same.
After watching this, I'm glad they did and the 5 hour delay stings less!
The air crew and ATC both did a very professional job!
These pilot's did a great job, everyone landed safe.
Wow, this was super tense to listen to. I'm so glad they made it down ok, they kept calm, asserted their needs clearly to ATC, and worked with them to get a workable solution to their predicament. Great professionalism all around.
Holy smokes! Now I understand EXACTLY why pilots get paid handsomely (or should).
Are they handsomely paid, though?
Holy sh*t, I was sitting here sweating, heart pounding the whole time! Good job, everyone!
GROW A paIr
@@K1OIK TROLL!!!
Only happened across this channel yesterday...what an amazing story. I think, as a passenger, I'd be very happy being left in the dark whilst this was going on! I'm sure many of the passengers were cranky they ended up at the wrong airport and never realised how close they were to not making any.
First time hearing of this event. I'm so happy they landed safely.
My heart was racing listening to this ! Im glad they saved their lifes!
Dang that was scary!
Kudos to the flight crew for getting it done under extremely stressful circumstances
That pilot is so calm. I was bricking it just listening. 🤐🤐
Man, I was listening to this with nervous anticipation over the whole issue. The pilots were superb. The tower was equally so. I wonder if people on the plane had any idea just how close they came to certain death? I’m so happy everything worked out in the nick of time. Phew!!
It became quite confusing to the point that I was not too sure where he was going to land JFK or EWR . I must say the controllers were very reassuring and professional . Multiple problems for the pilots to deal with after a 15 hour flight in addition to jet lag .
Definitely very challenging for the controller. He had to try and pull the info from the pilots to figure out what the problem really was. I think the pilot was fixated on trying to find a way to make it work at JFK but finally realized EWR was the better option. I would love to see a recording of the flight displays to see how they really flew the final approach, as I suspect there might be more to the story.
@@pilot-debrief
I agree ✈️
LOL to OP. Long haul flights and jet legs aren't obstacles to safe flying. For long hauls, there's always a relief cockpit crew that takes over for some part of the flight to ensure original crew is fresh and well rested when landing.
Excellent , calm, composed controller support to the aircraft that helped them land . Aircraft should have been grounded and faults rectified .
Yes, the atc did an awesome job. It was obvious he was well versed in how planes operate and was doing everything the pilot asked him to do, even though it didn't make a whole lot of sense as to what the pilot was thinking.
As a lapsed ppl holder, that showed, excellent piloting skills. Calm throughout. (and polite). It helped that his English was very good too. Good work all round.
The pilot kept it very well, no panic!
It’s a really tough job when issues appear! So much responsibility these guys are bearing!
I listen to this video and I must commend the well trained pilots and the air traffic controllers for handling this situation so calmly, patiently, professionally, and everyone working together to get this 777 on the ground.
It appears he had an hour of fuel remaining. 7200kg = 15,800lbs. They had time to declare an emergency get priority handling and find another more suitable alternate and fly multiple RNAV / VNAV approaches. Easy to Monday morning quarterback. They are good pilots but should have spoken up sooner and declared.
actually easier to work it out from kgs. Each engine burning 1litre / 1kg per second means 3600 seconds of fuel = 60 minutes. BUT then allowances for "heavy" and flying low / more drag etc.
Thats how to work a problem. Your explanation of the situation really had my heart rate elevated, great job.
Thank God no one was hurt. Excellent cooperation from all sides.
A god had nothing to do with it.
@@dongorrie1828:
*Your opinions do NOT count with me. Have a life* .
I flew the 777 for several years. It never pulled any of that crap on me. It was my all-time favorite airplane/
What airline? Thx
AA
That was the most stressful scenario that I've listened to in 10 years
I was on the edge of my seat. Glad they were able to help their heads and land safely
Thank God the pilot & crew were able to land safely! This was very suspenseful up to the end! Great commentary…👍🏼
Really enjoying the content, but a little bit of constructive criticism: I feel like the end of the video comes a bit too quick…like maybe you should do a little more recapping/lessons learned/etc. before sign off. We seem to just barely get the landing (or crash 😢) in before video stops. Thx for your hard work and your service!
I was going to suggest the same, still waiting for the debrief!
@@vidpromjm I agree completely! This seems be pretty common on these videos - I do like them and just would like to get your views on lessons learned, suggestions for pilots or controllers, or other points for discussion and thought.
I agree that even just a sentence or 2 about "the plane landed safely with no injuries" would have helped, but I guess we can assume that's what happened. I even looked in the description because I thought it might be in there, to no avail, but this was very interesting to a couch pilot and your commentary is helpful. Good job! This video was in my recommended videos and I subscribed!
I noticed that as well, it's just not what I'm used to, usually people do a video ending segment, and he seems to be following so the other TH-cam formulae to get your attention and keep you watching the video.
Agreed! It seems like most of the videos simply end when I’m waiting for some kind of wrap up lol
This example demonstrates why clear communication is so critical. Also, "indefinite ceiling" is the vertical height at which an object would gradually disappear as it ascends. The boundary between visible and not visible is gradual with indefinte ceilings ( rather than rapid as it might be entering a cloud base) This is not quite the same as your wording.
I caught that too. Locust valley is correct.
Im utterly AMAZED by the calmness of the pilot. Hats off to you sir !!!
Pilot composure was commendable.
His refusal to say current fuel, twice, was not.
It's aviate, navigate and communicate. He was doing the later, meaning the other two were under control.
Traffic control was on point, recognizing that refusal was the pilots way of not declaring an emergency, but that their situation was deteriorating, fast.
Wow! Excellent explanation! I'm glad they were able to land. Stewart is a mixed-use Commercial / military Airport, but Newark was obviously the best choice! That pilot remained calm under extreme pressure!
A prime case of 'beating around the bush' once the ultimate issues are spelled out. I think their countries culture pushes to maintain pride rather than be direct and get the help they need. This should be a learning nugget.
I never flew the B777 but have quite a bit of time in the MD11&MD10 and when the weather was good I always liked to demonstrate flying the ILS with no ILS available. If you handle it correctly and know the traps it would allow you to fly the approach. . It sounds like Air India got caught by one of them causing them to go high on the approach into Newark. You have to set the airplane up so you go from your present position through the active flight plan which ends with touchdown on the desired runway. The airplane with IRUs and GPS will perfectly follow the flight plan in the NAV mode for lateral navigation and PROF for vertical navigation. If you planned to do the ILS to 36 the pilots select ILS36 in the FMS. The pilots then review the approach confirming they have loaded the correct approach and the points agree with their approach plate. If Approach Control puts me on a right down wind heading 180 and I would pick the distance you want to turn final. If the outer marker is 4.8 miles from Touchdown and we had limited fuel I would build a point 1 mile outside the marker. That would place us right over the marker as the autopilot roll wings level over the marker. On the assigned 180 heading I would go Direct the point I built. PD1/270. I want to be downwind 3-4 miles from the runway. When PD1/270 is inserted the FMS will draw the remainder of the flight plan all the way to touchdown and provide a glide slope from my present position on downwind. As we approach the turn point for the 270 course to PD1 with a 90 degree intercept of the ILS. If the ILS is actually tuned and Identified I WOULD NOT arm the ILS. The ILS cannot handle a 90 degree intercept but the NAV mode handles it perfectly. The wings will roll level and at that time the ILS will instantly capture and may give a momentary wing rock to correct the hair you may be off. If there is no ILS the airplane will follow the PROF glide slope all the way to touchdown if it is not stopped by the altitude set in the FCP Flight Control Panel. If I was in the same position as Air India I would set the altitude in the FCP to -100 for the approach. If it was set at 200’ the airplane is looking at that set altitude as a MDA because there is no available electronic glide slope so the auto pilot is starting to capture the set altitude. During the no ILS approach I would be looking at both the miles until touchdown and the ground speed and vertical speed. You should be 300’ for each mile from touchdown which gives you a 3 degree glide slope. 3xDistance=desired altitude from TD. 5xGround Speed=V/S for 3 degree GS. 200Knot=1,000 FPM, 150K=750 FPM.
FedEx pilot FTW!
True professionals at work!!! Pilots and Tower! Amazing!
The big question is: why did they have these instrument failures? That is what I would want to know now.
Were these failures real or due to mismanagement. A follow up after landing would be interesting, but no matter what the pilots should have declared an emergency after the first missed approach.
Now? Like right now? Like this instant?
@@thonatim5321The emphasis is not on the word "now". They mean, now that they've *seen the video*. It's a shorthand way in English of saying "That's what I want to know, now that I've seen the video".
The first big question is: why they were so low on fuel after just one missed approach, not having enough fuel even for the alternate plus contingency?
Because a lot of these countries have shitty maintenance and try and save money
Air India 101 - “Caught Between the Moon and New York City”.
Kudos to these Air India Pilots and the Air Traffic Controllers in the New York TRACON (N90), JFK, and EWR.
Very professional job by all.
Eerily similar to Avianca 052 in January, 1990, which, very sadly, did not end up as well.
Great, informative video.
Thanks for posting. ✈️
And interestingly they said we're bring out the emergency equipment on the ground. This was a good read from the ATC. This was really amazing to watch. The attitude of the ground control and care they showed as well as the grit and skill the pilots displayed here is a lesson for all.
Pilot was a true professional and the air traffic controllers were excellent too, you have to figure the pilots were exhausted and still had to land the plane safely.
Amazing pilot. Kept his cool, great communications. Excellent job by tower as well. The passengers probably never knew there was an issue.
Wow, that was an incredible, the Indian pilots deserve some award for being totally in control and super quick to react to each situation that presented itself to them. the irony being the passengers not knowing what's going on may have been a little upset that landed in Jersey instead of JFK.
Nah, they should have never let it get that far.
That's kinda funny, they just flew 15 hrs. Go to land in and there beacon that centres their plane plus other electronics are not working, what could they have possibly done. They landed a difficult landing in low visibility with a few secondary electronics.@ a secondary airport they prob were not familiar with landing the plane in 200ft less vis than he stated he needed. That's good flying.
Sure an award for flying a totally broken aircraft around the world and almost crashing and killing 330 people in NJ.
@@dashcan8479 just not sure how they would have known there landing electronics were not working over the ocean, I have never heard of pilots checking those systems until needed, unfortunately for them it was the end of a long flight( low fuel) &low visibility, yet everyone is alive while landing in 400 ft visibility after requesting 600 with secondary electronic landing assistance only.
Nothing like having to play 20 questions with a pilot, because they won't directly say what the issue is, and what they need.
Cultural issue. They don’t want to look stupid, it’s ingrained in them. Work out the solution and don’t show the struggle is how they are taught to be from infancy, . These pilots should be forced to do western training, so they can realise early communication is critical, and saving face has no place in piloting
The pilots were busy working out what the problem was and flying the plane.
@@waffle_chair9269I was very much waiting for this comment. It's spot on. Right from the start of this video I could hear the cultural issue getting in the way of safety.
Sounded to me that they were pretty clear what the problems were.
They have explained ILS failure from start, WTF are you talking about mate.
What a pilot!! The great situational awareness till the last second. He evaluated the risks every step of the way, explored all options and lamded safely.
Brilliant!
Hoover, first thank you for your service. Lucky you had the experience of two of the finest military aircraft...still in service today. Second, thanks for continuing to post these debriefs. They are very helpful insight into the back office issues the pilots, controllers, and ground crews face each day. Applying these lessons learned moments into other industry helps as well.
There seems to be a problem, especially with foreign pilots, that if they get into a jam flying into New York, they are reluctant to fully explain their situation, and the information dribbles out slowly from the pilots. Maybe there's a level of intimidation when dealing with the fast talking NYC area controllers that makes them reluctant to declare an emergency more quickly. If three quarters of your landing systems aren't working, that seems like a mayday to me. I'm thinking of Avianca flight 052 flying into JFK, that failed to declare a fuel emergency until it was too late, and they ran out and crashed on Long Island.
Indians in general speak fast and can comprehend fast speakers too. In my experiences I don't think that's generally an issue.
What I think the issue is, is in expressing meanings in non-normal (American) ways of speaking.
I've worked w/indians for 20+yrs and they tend to be very skilled and experts at one thing. But not skilled in multiple disciplines. Americans tend to be the opposite. We're not experts at any one thing but rather competent in a lot of things. Americans also tend to use a lot of slang and filler words. To a fault really.
I know I have a hard time understanding an Indian that I've not spent time with. Once I learn the nuances in speech of a particular person then I can flow and understand.
We had a funny moment at work once. A good friend from Bengaluru was speaking in a exaggerated and kinda sarcastic American way... WOW.. he sounded almost native American and we all understood him clearly. But he's laughing as to him it sounded like he was mocking and clowning around. I was like... YES talk that that!
@@wydopnthrtlI know what you mean. As an American who has lived in six countries over 20 years and learned several languages, I see this problem in videos from trade shows in my field, where Americans are talking to non native English speakers. They use idioms and colloquialisms that I can immediately tell are flying right over the heads of the people they are speaking with.
@@gotham61 I work at a Japanese company.. that is so true. We'll say something funny and are laughing and the JP personnel are looking very uncomfortable as they have no idea why we are laughing.
@@wydopnthrtl I've had the opposite experience with the few that I know. I talk too fast for them and they can't understand me. One guy explained that he hears it in English, translates it in his head and then does it in reverse to reply.
@@beyondcitylimits ok well.. I spent 3 hrs today w.one who's working from home. Took me 5 minutes to acclimate to him.
Maybe its me that slow
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Heroic pilot. Great job sir.
Stellar job by the Air India crew. They kept calm and made good decisions in a particular stressful situation.
How come?
He should have stated an emergency (due to fuel) to get top priority from the ATC people.
Crap job
They pretended to be calm... and almost killed everyone. Not very professional. Stellar pilots from India ? You are dreaming. Incredible India...
@@miks564declaring emergency would have changed nothing. He communicated each of the events in a changing and worsening situation- cascading instrument issues, fuel issues and was decisive in choosing EWR. In the end he brought his ship safely home
@@rickbarrington It was a mistake. In the end he all the passengers were lucky
You did a great job explaining this event. What I'd love to know is how a modern airliner had so many nav system failures especially with all the redundancy.
It's Air INDIA... not the best maintenance around.
@@saito125 Not the worst either. For the record, the US/FAA does not let airlines with substandard maintenance even fly in their airspace, which is why Air India was actually prohibited from operating flights to US a few years ago. But they've been on the ball and match any US carrier's maintenance for a while since.
Edit: So this might not necessarily have been a maintenance related issue at all. Tech and machines just fail sometimes.
@@charlie7masonA Double ILS failure is extremely rare.
It's a plane from INDIA! Have you ever watched some Indian YT videos? Even though I am skeptical about Indian tech I have to congratulate them on the moon landing. Luck?
@@saito125completely ignorance speaking...
Thank God everyone made it safely
Excellent job by both the pilot and the ATC. Both kept their cool as trained.
Amazing report.must say as a pilot the crew of air india conducted the situation in a very calm and professional manner as you expect from crew flying 777. Great job for ATC .i would like to know eventually what was their instrument problem since B777 is very reliable .
I am not a pilot but I really enjoy your videos. It was very interesting hearing the communication between the pilot and ATC. It seemed to me that the pilot was reluctant to tell the ATC how serious the problem was. I was biting my nails. I'm so glad it was all ok in the end.
I had a pretty terrible experience when we came home from South Korea towards the end of the 90s! On the Seoul-Paris route, which is quite long, but the plane is comfortable, except now it was full and we got into a storm. For a long time, that huge machine fell so hard that my coffee stopped in the air! The pilot came out and reassured everyone, thank God we got out of the storm, of course not in 1-2 minutes, but I was very happy when we finally landed in Paris. I really like to fly and all my respect goes to the hero pilots!
And while under all that stress of the final approach, the pilot still managed a "good morning" to the tower.......cooler than a cool thing in a cool place 🙂
I know, the politeness throughout was just amazing to behold. Thats the kind of person you want in a stressful situation.
Let me get this straight. You have to VOR receivers and neither can capture the ILS. Then, you have two RA altimeters that aren’t working. You have to build a RNAV approach to fly an approach on emergency fuel. That’s crazy.
I should’ve just read this first 😂
What a cliff-hanger! The Air India captain was a total pro. Well done!
You're saving lives. 10's of thousands of hours of flight simulator 95' (yes ancient) here, well done, don't stop. Salute.
Well done to the pilots and all who helped them. It’s so frightening to be in that position.
Not so sure that was "well done" by ATP standards. Sounds like the pilots were not well-versed at using their onboard weather systems, or even knowing the available approaches or the updated weather at their filed alternate. Something had to go wrong with their fuel planning as well, as are required to carry enough fuel to fly to their alternate and fly for at least an additional hour on top of that diversion. They were not communicating clearly enough and they were not being completely open with the controller with regard to their fuel status. There should be an investigation into what caused this close call.
@@mjl8197also you forget something , they were about to crash at the alternate airport ,they ve been too low ..fortunately the controllers warn them that they are very low
I can't believe that my heart rate actually increased progressively during this video!
grow a pair.
Id fly this airline any day..... great job Captain
That is one Hell of a WOW story. The pilot was having to deal with a lot. I am a retired software engineer and electronics break all of the time and when working only do so much.
OMG !!! This gave me chills as I am a private pilot
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Well described. A riveting story. It apoears professionalism and good judgment saved the day.
They’re all very professional and calm