An airline pilot once told me that his job was hours and hours of boredom, followed by a few minutes of terror. This video backs that anecdote up perfectly.
What a pilot!! The great situational awareness till the last second. He evaluated the risks every step of the way, explored all options and lamded safely. Brilliant!
I was almost wondering if he took too much time deciding what do they call it decision paralysis? In the end, he made a good decision. I'm wondering how much of that was luck?
Man, I'm loving this channel, and I don't even fly. This was a real suspense story. I'm just imagining the passengers getting annoyed at the delay and the redirect, and never really knowing how close they came to oblivion. This is some first-rate storytelling my friend.
Like many, I have flown hundreds of times on many airlines that are long gone and many that I doubt I would fly on now (Avianca, Aeroflot). I wonder now, in my old age how many times something similar like this situation happened on a flight i was on and never knew a thing!
Same. I find my respiration and pulse increase. This is real life. My dad was USAF and told some riveting stories too. Thank god everyone survived this event.
Cold blooded? …. More like Drunk. A lot of Pilots drink when they drive ….that includes Planes. It’s a”Brotherhood” like Doctors and Police. They cover each other’s Butt when they are drinking heavily.
Winter east coast US commonly has low ceilings under 1000’ for thousands of miles in every direction, lasting days or weeks at a time. Flying in there w no ILS is like flying in w no landing gear, and then pretending to do something while calling atc w ‘we are working the problem’.
It's an "Emergency" the pilots created. Having flown for 15 hours already. They should have requested weather info earlier. They then could have declared a low fuel situation earlier to have more options to divert to. They have to remember that take offs are optional. Landing is inevitable.
One of your best debriefs. The awareness you showed regarding jargon, and clarifying certain aspects of the scenario that your audience may not be able to understand or visualize, really brought this one up a notch.
Agreed. This is what I appreciate about his videos. He's not just repeating what's happening with no useful information. He's actually explaining things and he also often makes suggestions of how pilots can learn from the incident covered.
@@Void-Realmyes, and he’s a retired US fighter pilot and currently a commercial pilot. Debriefs are a common occurrence. Consider the simple question - “what could you have done differently?”
It amazes me how both the pilots and controllers seem to remain so calm in times like this. I was getting really anxious just watching as everything was unfolding, not knowing the outcome. I was so relieved to know they made it down safely.
He gave us a slight suggestion at the beginning that things would end out okay. Even though I did not know for sure, I was hanging on to that so I did not get too caught up in WHETHER it would turn out of okay, but just HOW it would happen.
The pilot was running out of fuel. He initially lied to ATC about the cause of missed approach. They didn’t load enough fuel on takeoff. They had to have information dragged out of them by ATC. They didn’t declare an emergency to not lose face. Apart from that he was great - and he got lucky.
@@hugolindum7728 lol don't talk such nonsense. It was a 15hr flight, fueling is calculated by the airline program. They had enough fuel for a go-around and divert and due to instrument failures were burning this extra fuel.
Ive got several mates who were ground crew for SAA. Sadly, our national Airline is a mere shadow of its former excellence. You're right, it takes many souls and many hours of intense preparation to fly us around the world safely. This is why I can't understand entitled passengers who think the sun sets when they sit down. @@panhead55
I can tell you that sometimes it is way more than most people imagine. And on almost all of those times people in the back have no idea anything was out of the ordinary. It doesn't take a situationa as extraordinary as this one to increase the stress levels.
Just a couple of points. So many professional aviators seem to have a fobia about declaring an emergency. One of the most important items that gives you is to deviate from any regulation to the extent needed to meet the emergency. Very unlikely but they could have been violated for decending below mins or accepting the ILS when they know they were unable to shoot that approach. Had they declared an emergency they would have avoided all that and also received special handling. Now the controllers in this case treated them as if they were an emergency aircraft but they never declared it. Possible explanation for much of their comm being not that clear is the 15 hour flight time and fatigue. Most of their comm was very professional and I have the impression that these were great aviators. The controllers also handled this flight in a calm and professional way giving them all the support they could. Final comment is realted to your narration of this video. You did a wonderful job of relating the entire event. Your explanation of technical items were clear and understandable to all who may have watched this video. As a retired airline pilot with over 40 years of experence, I found this video to be excellently presneted and very imformative of the event that took place. I look forward to more of your videos and have subscribed to your channel.Thanks again!
They should be made an example of, lose their license to fly in US airspace. Perhaps in future pilots will be more willing to declare an emergency when an emergency exists, if they knew they'd face consequences for not doing so.
@@isbestlizard Under the circumstance who cares ... They got a a sh_t hand dealt to them and made the best of it and everyone was ok as well as the crippled plane...
LMFAO.. professional pilots are all educated... esp retired 40+ year airline pilots and Phobia is spelled PHOBIA not fobia. Look dude, they got on the ground safely and the passengers on the ground safely, they delt with a changing environment the best they could, and it worked. I'd say they did alright. Nothing worse than armchair pilots, esp retired has-beens who think they know everything.
Yeah, I was going to ask about that. It was obviously an emergency but they never declared it. Would this be a fuel emergency or some other emergency that ended up in a fuel emergency? (Not a pilot here, excuse my ignorance).
I wonder how many if any passengers knew how close they came to crashing that day. I can’t imagine being a commercial pilot having so many lives in my hands. These pilots did a great job
Even after the surprise of a dead stick prop he didn't panic, and just dealt with it. Landing well and that's the making of a good, level headed pilot.
Oh, man, that pilot did an amazing job keeping his stuff together and getting his precious cargo down on the ground safely. Much respect to the entire flight crew of this airliner.
I was on the edge of my seat listening to this. The poise and professionalism of the flight crew and controllers in this terrifying situation was remarkable.
This may be unrelated, but I flew the ILS 4R dozens of times at JFK when I was New York based. This was ALWAYS a problem; we would lose the localizer almost completely more than a mile out. There used to even be a note about it on our approach plates. I always dreaded going in there with weather less than about 500 feet. These pilots may have never been to JFK before, so they didn't know about the wonky localizer. Combined with all of the other failures in their aircraft, they got way closer to disaster than they should have. I have no idea why JFK's localizer was so bad.
eric..simple u should know bc FAA Suckkkks.. can't even fix simple stuff out of action down lots airport equip navaids etc Everywhere... FAA could care less total incompetent clowns 🤡 in bed w Boeing...duhhh
3 takes on this: 1. This channel is amazing 2. That pilot was freaking amazing 3. Since I’m not a pilot and was totally unaware of everything I’ve learned from binge watching this channel, I will never fly again with the same comfortable mindset. Nature + natural mechanical failures always looms. Not to mention the large spectrum of human error. How eye opening…
You have to realize that incidents like these are extremely rare. And even in this rare instances, successful outcomes are more likely than not. The air flight industry learns from each instance making air travel safer and safer.
The pilot did say very early on that he lost his instruments. What he didn't stress enough early on was how critical his fuel was. However, both he and the ATC did a very professional job, cool under immense pressure, and saved the lives of 370 people who probably never knew just how close they came to deaths door.
In reality, death's door is almost always near you. Just think about all the things you count on to operate (or be operated by someone else) correctly around you to avoid potential injury or death. You must also depend on your body itself to operate correctly when eating, walking, running, driving, etc.
@@FrankAnzalone Gallons is a useless measure in big airplane aviation. First off, U.S vs. Imperial and EU uses liters. Pounds onboard eliminates density variables and easily converts to time in a standard everyone understands (ATC, emergency responders, pilot and dispatchers). The G.E.-90 engines burn about 6,000 pounds per engine per hour, slightly more for the bigger airframes of the -227ER and the -300. The math is hardly a problem for the pilots.
I think when brain fatigue sets in it's difficult to be how you might be when relaxed and calm. -if you listen to other such incidents-Mentour Pilot I think, you hear of pilots after 9 hours going into various brain fatigue, loss of touch with reality especially early hours of the morning ( forgot the word to describe it) etc situations -so despite me agreeing with you-I cannot blame them for the mere reason of facing all at once mind you, the over all stress, frightening alarm sounds and long haul flight hours! They were brilliant keeping it cool!
I listen to this video and I must commend the well trained pilots and the air traffic controllers for handling this situation so calmly, patiently, professionally, and everyone working together to get this 777 on the ground.
Pilot was a true professional and the air traffic controllers were excellent too, you have to figure the pilots were exhausted and still had to land the plane safely.
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WOW THAT WAS TENSE...FEEL FOR THAT PILOT...UNREAL STRESS TO GET THAT AIRCRAFT SAFELY ON THE GROUND.. GREAT JOB BY THE PILOT..
@@wallyballou7417 I agree with you on the fuel reserve but the fact they kept it together when it became a crisis deserved some form of respect. They could have reacted differently and wound up with a terrible outcome.
@@garrettswoodworx1873 Because the flight took off with several critical systems malfunctioning. Moreover, it was obvious there was a cascading system problem while the plane was enroute. They should have never taken off. And having taken off, they should never have continued into IFR conditions with only 1 radar altimeter functioning. Incredibly irresponsible.
Had a somewhat similar weather issue on a Delta flight MSP-KEF. Over Canada, Delta dispatch realized the only alternate airport our flight could reach was below weather minimums. So, even though weather in KEF was fine, we diverted to BGR to take on more fuel to make Scotland another alternate. The DTW-KEF flight had to do the same. After watching this, I'm glad they did and the 5 hour delay stings less!
Great video, keeping one glued to the chair holding breath until the last second. I'm becoming addicted to your content. Keep on with your excellent work!
What impresses me are the critical mistakes they committed as a crew, the poor judgement and lack of capacity to make better decisions for those souls on board under their care. Their communication in English with air traffic controllers really suck, and the unproper instrumentation maintenance by the company became evident turning into a serious liability. I can go all day! They exhibited poor flight planning skills that kill, nonsensical alternate sequencing and negligent control to destination. Poor navigation, weather briefing and forecasting. Frankly, it's a miracle they landed that triple 7 and passengers walk off that plane.
Only happened across this channel yesterday...what an amazing story. I think, as a passenger, I'd be very happy being left in the dark whilst this was going on! I'm sure many of the passengers were cranky they ended up at the wrong airport and never realised how close they were to not making any.
Many lessons learned 1. Don’t be afraid to declare an emergency 2. The weather at your alternate may not be great either 3. Reserve fuel is important 4. Training and experience are crucial Great job on this and your other videos. These will save lives
yea I would say the pilot failed to declare the critical nature of the situation correctly to ATC, it took many valuable minutes for the controller to understand what was happening, also the information requested, ie reserve fuel was not identified in time which is also important. Dual INAV failure is pretty rare but in such bad weather and circumstances its a pan pan situation at the least. A good bit of luck that this plane actually made it in.
The lesson I learned of such a situation is that as soon as you have a problem, you should declare a Pan Pan or a mayday to be clearly understood by ATC.
It was not, yet, any kind of emergency. 25% of those long flights land with less than an hour of fuel remaining. It is VERY common. The 777 in the video still had 45 minutes of fuel left. (7500kg/hr cruising; or 8200kg/hr landing; so I figured it at 9000kg/hr consumption rate just to be on the safe side.) Their main problem was finding a long runway with good enough visibility for a VFR landing within a short range. IMO, they could have looked a little farther inland, farther from the marine effects -- fog, mist, etc. They had enough fuel to fly for 45 more minutes. But it didn't look as though local conditions were improving fast enough to hang around. They had another 15 minutes to decide what to do? Should I stay or should I go?
Thing is, at some point, you have no other option. That is often easier than when you're trying to sift a few different plans with time to spare. With a 400' cloudbase, and no fuel on board, you'd probably have to just chance it eventually and duck under the minima. All bets are off in these situations.
Man, I was listening to this with nervous anticipation over the whole issue. The pilots were superb. The tower was equally so. I wonder if people on the plane had any idea just how close they came to certain death? I’m so happy everything worked out in the nick of time. Phew!!
With 7 tonnes of fuel I did not expect them to make it to any other airport, but these pilots are superman like, and hats-off to the controller. What a great teamwork! after 15 hours of flying, the alertness of the pilots is amazing.
@@jamesgraham6122 There are 388 comments. I know you can see your own comment at the top of the screen on your own device, but other's cannot. Your comment is buried somewhere in the 388
There’s actually two complete flight and cabin crews on the long haulers. So they were probably into the 7th to 8th hour of wheels up. Now you can appreciate the dual crew concept. I’ve been a fatigued flightcrew member. We almost landed on a highway on a moonless night. This was going into Nice, Fr. All 3 of us were fatigued as we were on our fourth leg that day and we all saw the same illusion. I finally figured it out at the last minute and Captain Pat made a great high bank angle VFR recovery into the airport. This was truly scary, although when you’re in the moment doing your job, fear isn’t really an option. So considering all of the factors with AI 101, my educated guess is that if one flight crew were actually flying for 15 hours, this would have been a very bad outcome. Hats off to both the flightcrew and controllers. Well done.
@@CaptainRon1913 Here it is.. it was prompted by reading many posts praising the flight crew.. These guys came as close as to killing 370 people aboard the aircraft and goodness knows how many on the ground in a major urban area as makes no difference.. it was a disaster of immense proportions, no doubt it would have been the worst single aircraft aviation disaster in history.. it was literally minutes away and pure luck saved the day, that's the same as the disaster actually happening, except that there was no wreckage. In spite of this, at no time did the flight crew declare an emergency, fuel as an issue was only mentioned to ATC late on in the approach sequence, at no time did the controllers ask if the flight crew would like to declare an emergency.. had an emergency been declared it would have focused the minds of ATC to other options.. possibly a landing at a military airfield, it may have made no difference, but it was clearly a case of getting every possible bit of help from the ground. An alternate is normally chosen at a distance from the destination that could be expected to offer a different weather pattern.. it's clear that this flight plan wasn't chosen with that in mind. It's not unusual for the east coast to be engulfed in low cloud/low vis weather and an alternate several hundred miles inland may prove to be a necessity. The controller asked for fuel on board.. I've heard this several times during my career, in response the pilot gives a fuel quantity.. pretty pointless.. the question should be, fuel endurance? It's of little use to know that someone has 7000 kilos of fuel, this can represent different things to different aircraft. I would dearly love to know how the crew came to be faced with so many onboard failures.
I travel often for recreation and would be totally fine with Pilots making double what they currently make. Full disclosure, I watch this channel often and have no pilot flight experience.
...Nobody who has half a functioning brain cell would or has ever said that. Stop lying. Its an impossibly rare phrase cause no person who understands how planes work has ever said that....and seeing as how most humans understand how complex it is to fly and land airplanes?... Well then what does that leave us with?...
Wow, this was super tense to listen to. I'm so glad they made it down ok, they kept calm, asserted their needs clearly to ATC, and worked with them to get a workable solution to their predicament. Great professionalism all around.
Flew six F-111Fs from Cannon AFB, NM 9+ hrs to RAF Lakenheath in ‘92…landed all jets emergency fuel in 0-0 weather after fog rolled in with no suitable alternates. Had two options on our last approach 1) hand fly the ILS and hope the runway is there when you hit the ground or eject during missed approach. We all landed safely. Saw the runway lights at eighty feet. Had a beer and then continued our combat deployment 24 hours later… 524Fighter Squadron.
I live not too far from Lakenheath & it's major road (approach of runway) the main road named the "A.1065" I used to go on base, regularly, right up until they retired the F.111's there sometime in 1994 (replaced w/F.15's) I found your comment interesting, as we DO often get fog & damp weather in Suffolk and of course besides.... New Mexico is one helluva long long way away - I now have a few diecast metal 1/72 models of the F.111-F's
Man I have to say the calm composure of those pilots knowing the situation they were in is commendable. The communication on everyone’s parts was amazing. Great way to work together and find a solution to get it down safely. Well done
Wow! Excellent explanation! I'm glad they were able to land. Stewart is a mixed-use Commercial / military Airport, but Newark was obviously the best choice! That pilot remained calm under extreme pressure!
My stepfather was a lifer in the USAF and flew fighter jets in Vietnam and later came back stateside as aircraft support. I was a Crash Runway Specialist in the USAF(r) . Very familiar with all the terminology and after seeing a bellylanding and heated brake failures (C-130 training pilots landing and taking off on 1 mile runway) I was still biting my lip listening to the chatter back & forth between pilot and towers. Hat's off to the pilot of Air India 101 and the Tower personnel !!! I'm a subscriber to your channel now because this was a very real experience for me to listen to...
As a lapsed ppl holder, that showed, excellent piloting skills. Calm throughout. (and polite). It helped that his English was very good too. Good work all round.
@@stevehirjak7824 English is AN official language, but less than 10% speak it, and it's almost always as a second language. My point is, that makes it even more impressive that he was still able to aviate, navigate, and COMMUNICATE, during an emergency.
Once upon a time, when I was a cocky teenager, I had the impression that an airline pilot was merely an overpaid bus driver. Now when I’m in my 60s and definitely wiser, I am humbled and realize how complicated flying can be. I’ve seen several of your Pilot Debrief and think this is one of the best ones.
I am not a pilot but I really enjoy your videos. It was very interesting hearing the communication between the pilot and ATC. It seemed to me that the pilot was reluctant to tell the ATC how serious the problem was. I was biting my nails. I'm so glad it was all ok in the end.
Amazing report.must say as a pilot the crew of air india conducted the situation in a very calm and professional manner as you expect from crew flying 777. Great job for ATC .i would like to know eventually what was their instrument problem since B777 is very reliable .
So much hats off for the pilots and also for ATC! Professinal manner all around here. I can just barely imagine the relief once touching down safely, what a great job!
This is by far the most stressful video of your I’ve listen to yet! I’m so grateful they were able to land safely! The pilot did a wonderful job! I wonder how many people that were on this flight listened to this? Omg so scary! Great videos! I have been non stop binging them. I hope all the flights I fly have safe pilots like you! Thank you for caring enough about us to always be safe while flying. Seriously 🙏🏼
Thanks/ as a private pilot I learn from this situation. 22 years in the military, I was tough to ID the problem /find solutions. They knew that they were low on fuel no matter what. If the ILS is malfunctioning now there are two problems. And another problem is the accent barrier. Too much time spent on non- solutions
It became quite confusing to the point that I was not too sure where he was going to land JFK or EWR . I must say the controllers were very reassuring and professional . Multiple problems for the pilots to deal with after a 15 hour flight in addition to jet lag .
Definitely very challenging for the controller. He had to try and pull the info from the pilots to figure out what the problem really was. I think the pilot was fixated on trying to find a way to make it work at JFK but finally realized EWR was the better option. I would love to see a recording of the flight displays to see how they really flew the final approach, as I suspect there might be more to the story.
LOL to OP. Long haul flights and jet legs aren't obstacles to safe flying. For long hauls, there's always a relief cockpit crew that takes over for some part of the flight to ensure original crew is fresh and well rested when landing.
Yes, the atc did an awesome job. It was obvious he was well versed in how planes operate and was doing everything the pilot asked him to do, even though it didn't make a whole lot of sense as to what the pilot was thinking.
I've watched a lot of your videos so far, but this is the first one with a good outcome. I can't imagine flying for 15 hours, getting close to the destination, and not knowing if I can land safely with everyone onboard. Some good decision making by the pilot and his team. He set real expectations for the team, and still was able to land the plane despite less than ideal conditions. I wonder if anyone on the flight even knew that he was having these problems. Good job staying calm and working the problem by the team. Now this is just a good story that he can share with his fellow pilots to hopefully help them in the future if they encounter the same issues, and remind them that it is better to aim for ideal and hope for the best than pick the option to just get there.
This almost felt like a Hollywood movie - great job on letting the ATC recording build suspense and then leveling us off with the jargon explainer. I was really impressed with the controller in the middle who calmly pulled together all the facts and worked out what was required. We think pilots are the ones with the stressful jobs trying to land 300 souls - the ATC personnel potentially have tens of thousands of souls in their hands all day long.
Not so sure that was "well done" by ATP standards. Sounds like the pilots were not well-versed at using their onboard weather systems, or even knowing the available approaches or the updated weather at their filed alternate. Something had to go wrong with their fuel planning as well, as are required to carry enough fuel to fly to their alternate and fly for at least an additional hour on top of that diversion. They were not communicating clearly enough and they were not being completely open with the controller with regard to their fuel status. There should be an investigation into what caused this close call.
@@mjl8197also you forget something , they were about to crash at the alternate airport ,they ve been too low ..fortunately the controllers warn them that they are very low
Great video. Best I have seen with far more complete recordings of ATC and pilot interchanges. Captain seems to have handled the problem in a skillful manner, landing safely. The complexity of the avionics in today's commercial aircraft is mind bending. Hats off to the captain and the ATC people who were wonderfully helpful in averting disaster.
And while under all that stress of the final approach, the pilot still managed a "good morning" to the tower.......cooler than a cool thing in a cool place 🙂
@@miks564declaring emergency would have changed nothing. He communicated each of the events in a changing and worsening situation- cascading instrument issues, fuel issues and was decisive in choosing EWR. In the end he brought his ship safely home
Hoover, first thank you for your service. Lucky you had the experience of two of the finest military aircraft...still in service today. Second, thanks for continuing to post these debriefs. They are very helpful insight into the back office issues the pilots, controllers, and ground crews face each day. Applying these lessons learned moments into other industry helps as well.
The pilot seemed pretty competent, but he should have shared more about the nature of the instrument failures sooner with ATC. When weather is a factor its always best to trust ATC to help and give all the information that you know to them so they can help more effectively. It is no sin to be dealing with a semi-emergency and ask for help.
You’re the perfect teacher! My heart went out to the pilot from India. The somber tone in his voice towards the end spoke volumes. “There go I but for the grace of God”. 🙏
This example demonstrates why clear communication is so critical. Also, "indefinite ceiling" is the vertical height at which an object would gradually disappear as it ascends. The boundary between visible and not visible is gradual with indefinte ceilings ( rather than rapid as it might be entering a cloud base) This is not quite the same as your wording.
I so badly would love to become a pilot but knowing I'd have to be as solid as this pilot in bad conditions is not likely as I suffer from a moderate amount of anxiety. Bless these pilots as the good ones do really save a lot of lives.
You did a great job explaining this event. What I'd love to know is how a modern airliner had so many nav system failures especially with all the redundancy.
@@saito125 Not the worst either. For the record, the US/FAA does not let airlines with substandard maintenance even fly in their airspace, which is why Air India was actually prohibited from operating flights to US a few years ago. But they've been on the ball and match any US carrier's maintenance for a while since. Edit: So this might not necessarily have been a maintenance related issue at all. Tech and machines just fail sometimes.
It's a plane from INDIA! Have you ever watched some Indian YT videos? Even though I am skeptical about Indian tech I have to congratulate them on the moon landing. Luck?
Wow, that was an incredible, the Indian pilots deserve some award for being totally in control and super quick to react to each situation that presented itself to them. the irony being the passengers not knowing what's going on may have been a little upset that landed in Jersey instead of JFK.
That's kinda funny, they just flew 15 hrs. Go to land in and there beacon that centres their plane plus other electronics are not working, what could they have possibly done. They landed a difficult landing in low visibility with a few secondary electronics.@ a secondary airport they prob were not familiar with landing the plane in 200ft less vis than he stated he needed. That's good flying.
@@dashcan8479 just not sure how they would have known there landing electronics were not working over the ocean, I have never heard of pilots checking those systems until needed, unfortunately for them it was the end of a long flight( low fuel) &low visibility, yet everyone is alive while landing in 400 ft visibility after requesting 600 with secondary electronic landing assistance only.
Really enjoying the content, but a little bit of constructive criticism: I feel like the end of the video comes a bit too quick…like maybe you should do a little more recapping/lessons learned/etc. before sign off. We seem to just barely get the landing (or crash 😢) in before video stops. Thx for your hard work and your service!
@@vidpromjm I agree completely! This seems be pretty common on these videos - I do like them and just would like to get your views on lessons learned, suggestions for pilots or controllers, or other points for discussion and thought.
I agree that even just a sentence or 2 about "the plane landed safely with no injuries" would have helped, but I guess we can assume that's what happened. I even looked in the description because I thought it might be in there, to no avail, but this was very interesting to a couch pilot and your commentary is helpful. Good job! This video was in my recommended videos and I subscribed!
I noticed that as well, it's just not what I'm used to, usually people do a video ending segment, and he seems to be following so the other TH-cam formulae to get your attention and keep you watching the video.
My experience was minuscule but the reminders are always good. Left Las Vegas full load of fuel to Van Nuys airport, Ca. IFR knowledgeable not yet rated . Weather immediately changed though checked b4 leaving. 1/2 out Van Nuys, Whiteman, Santa Monica, Burbank LAX all socked in; , Ventura area out. Wound up in Riverside; as we landed to a clear sky runway we saw a fog bank coming in behind us a couple miles back- we had tapped into our reserve fuel 1/2 hour remaining. Never ever assume. As always great reviews, Thanks Don
Were these failures real or due to mismanagement. A follow up after landing would be interesting, but no matter what the pilots should have declared an emergency after the first missed approach.
@@thonatim5321The emphasis is not on the word "now". They mean, now that they've *seen the video*. It's a shorthand way in English of saying "That's what I want to know, now that I've seen the video".
The first big question is: why they were so low on fuel after just one missed approach, not having enough fuel even for the alternate plus contingency?
An airline pilot once told me that his job was hours and hours of boredom, followed by a few minutes of terror. This video backs that anecdote up perfectly.
Pilot is off the charts incredibly focused and calm
This pilot kept his composure the whole time under much distress!!! His confidence and focus saved all their lives
Competent aircraft maintenance would have prevented the incident.
Air India - making emergency situations out of everyday scenarios that have no business being emergency situations.
Who is this pilot, he deserves to be named?? As well is, who maintains that aircraft that it failed so bad and no back ups?
Agreed Susan. That pilot had "cool" hands and a cool composure.
How do you know that. It is the right hand seat that is doing the communication. We just know that the pilot was not screaming in the background.
What a pilot!! The great situational awareness till the last second. He evaluated the risks every step of the way, explored all options and lamded safely.
Brilliant!
I was almost wondering if he took too much time deciding what do they call it decision paralysis? In the end, he made a good decision. I'm wondering how much of that was luck?
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Astutely posed👌🏻
AMEN TO THAT
Man, I'm loving this channel, and I don't even fly. This was a real suspense story. I'm just imagining the passengers getting annoyed at the delay and the redirect, and never really knowing how close they came to oblivion. This is some first-rate storytelling my friend.
Same. Im fascinated by the radio chatter.
Me too. Drone pilot only.
Like many, I have flown hundreds of times on many airlines that are long gone and many that I doubt I would fly on now (Avianca, Aeroflot). I wonder now, in my old age how many times something similar like this situation happened on a flight i was on and never knew a thing!
yea but I bet you fly wit all dem trees feel me 69 420 blaze it.
Same. I find my respiration and pulse increase. This is real life. My dad was USAF and told some riveting stories too. Thank god everyone survived this event.
Pilots have to be absolutely cold blooded under such intense pressure! Hats off to this pilot for how well he handled such a stressful emergency
Cold blooded? …. More like Drunk. A lot of Pilots drink when they drive ….that includes Planes. It’s a”Brotherhood” like Doctors and Police. They cover each other’s Butt when they are drinking heavily.
Winter east coast US commonly has low ceilings under 1000’ for thousands of miles in every direction, lasting days or weeks at a time. Flying in there w no ILS is like flying in w no landing gear, and then pretending to do something while calling atc w ‘we are working the problem’.
not to be picky, but thousands would be all the way to california at least.
It's an "Emergency" the pilots created. Having flown for 15 hours already. They should have requested weather info earlier. They then could have declared a low fuel situation earlier to have more options to divert to.
They have to remember that take offs are optional. Landing is inevitable.
@@hhr1985how's that armchair Mr quarterback? How's the back seat working out for you?
One of your best debriefs. The awareness you showed regarding jargon, and clarifying certain aspects of the scenario that your audience may not be able to understand or visualize, really brought this one up a notch.
Agreed. This is what I appreciate about his videos. He's not just repeating what's happening with no useful information. He's actually explaining things and he also often makes suggestions of how pilots can learn from the incident covered.
It's the best one I've seen, and I've seen many. He put in layman's terms what was going on. Almost a miracle that they landed safely.
@@Void-Realmyes, and he’s a retired US fighter pilot and currently a commercial pilot. Debriefs are a common occurrence. Consider the simple question - “what could you have done differently?”
It amazes me how both the pilots and controllers seem to remain so calm in times like this. I was getting really anxious just watching as everything was unfolding, not knowing the outcome. I was so relieved to know they made it down safely.
It's do or die really. No reason to become anxious. You train for these kind of situaitons. It's a good thing nobody got injured.
they had four pilots that day, but thats not to take away from the amazing job all 4 pilots did that day
He gave us a slight suggestion at the beginning that things would end out okay. Even though I did not know for sure, I was hanging on to that so I did not get too caught up in WHETHER it would turn out of okay, but just HOW it would happen.
@@CynthiaSchoenbauer
I guess I missed that. I was anxious since the title says they run out of fuel and can’t land.
Thank The Creator. Universe ❤
This pilot sounded like a true professional…as did the guy in the tower. Those passengers were very lucky to be in such capable hands.
I thought so, too. very communicative. clear, and intelligent. Very good aviation.
The pilot was running out of fuel.
He initially lied to ATC about the cause of missed approach.
They didn’t load enough fuel on takeoff.
They had to have information dragged out of them by ATC.
They didn’t declare an emergency to not lose face.
Apart from that he was great - and he got lucky.
@@hugolindum7728 lol don't talk such nonsense. It was a 15hr flight, fueling is calculated by the airline program. They had enough fuel for a go-around and divert and due to instrument failures were burning this extra fuel.
You sure? This pilot could have (should have) given vital information about his situation tot he controller much sooner.
@LazerDon271 that's one excuse.. how about the other ten issues?
This pilot sounded calm and professional the whole time.
That help a lot 🎉
I really felt for him as his voice broke slightly when he heard about the emergency vehicles. A very brave and professional man.
we never really know the stresses a pilot endures getting us down safely. Huge respect.
Passengers had no idea how close they came.
Yep! Hats off to all these pilots, crews, controllers, mechanics, and engineers. They are valued much more than they know…
Ive got several mates who were ground crew for SAA. Sadly, our national Airline is a mere shadow of its former excellence. You're right, it takes many souls and many hours of intense preparation to fly us around the world safely. This is why I can't understand entitled passengers who think the sun sets when they sit down. @@panhead55
I can tell you that sometimes it is way more than most people imagine. And on almost all of those times people in the back have no idea anything was out of the ordinary. It doesn't take a situationa as extraordinary as this one to increase the stress levels.
I.L.S. system? So it's part of the Instrument Landing System System.
Just a couple of points. So many professional aviators seem to have a fobia about declaring an emergency. One of the most important items that gives you is to deviate from any regulation to the extent needed to meet the emergency. Very unlikely but they could have been violated for decending below mins or accepting the ILS when they know they were unable to shoot that approach. Had they declared an emergency they would have avoided all that and also received special handling. Now the controllers in this case treated them as if they were an emergency aircraft but they never declared it. Possible explanation for much of their comm being not that clear is the 15 hour flight time and fatigue. Most of their comm was very professional and I have the impression that these were great aviators. The controllers also handled this flight in a calm and professional way giving them all the support they could. Final comment is realted to your narration of this video. You did a wonderful job of relating the entire event. Your explanation of technical items were clear and understandable to all who may have watched this video. As a retired airline pilot with over 40 years of experence, I found this video to be excellently presneted and very imformative of the event that took place. I look forward to more of your videos and have subscribed to your channel.Thanks again!
They should be made an example of, lose their license to fly in US airspace. Perhaps in future pilots will be more willing to declare an emergency when an emergency exists, if they knew they'd face consequences for not doing so.
@@isbestlizard Under the circumstance who cares ... They got a a sh_t hand dealt to them and made the best of it and everyone was ok as well as the crippled plane...
LMFAO.. professional pilots are all educated... esp retired 40+ year airline pilots and Phobia is spelled PHOBIA not fobia. Look dude, they got on the ground safely and the passengers on the ground safely, they delt with a changing environment the best they could, and it worked. I'd say they did alright. Nothing worse than armchair pilots, esp retired has-beens who think they know everything.
fobia.. Phobia. 👍😊
Yeah, I was going to ask about that. It was obviously an emergency but they never declared it. Would this be a fuel emergency or some other emergency that ended up in a fuel emergency? (Not a pilot here, excuse my ignorance).
I wonder how many if any passengers knew how close they came to crashing that day. I can’t imagine being a commercial pilot having so many lives in my hands. These pilots did a great job
They do NOW!
That's what I'm wondering. Also how many flights have I been in which there close calls that I'm unaware of?😮😂
Even after the surprise of a dead stick prop he didn't panic, and just dealt with it. Landing well and that's the making of a good, level headed pilot.
Oh, man, that pilot did an amazing job keeping his stuff together and getting his precious cargo down on the ground safely. Much respect to the entire flight crew of this airliner.
I highly disagree... this was extremely painful to listen to.
What was in the cargo hold, diamonds?
People. The precious cargo was/were his passengers. I agree, amazing job keeping his..stuff..together.
@@dmsheckler you dont know what you are talking about
@@on3sh0t81 Agree. He's a moron.
I was on the edge of my seat listening to this. The poise and professionalism of the flight crew and controllers in this terrifying situation was remarkable.
This may be unrelated, but I flew the ILS 4R dozens of times at JFK when I was New York based. This was ALWAYS a problem; we would lose the localizer almost completely more than a mile out. There used to even be a note about it on our approach plates. I always dreaded going in there with weather less than about 500 feet. These pilots may have never been to JFK before, so they didn't know about the wonky localizer. Combined with all of the other failures in their aircraft, they got way closer to disaster than they should have. I have no idea why JFK's localizer was so bad.
eric..simple u should know bc FAA Suckkkks.. can't even fix simple stuff out of action down lots airport equip navaids etc Everywhere... FAA could care less total incompetent clowns 🤡 in bed w Boeing...duhhh
This wasn't that.
The pilots reported multiple instrumentation failures.
Shocking that a localiser was not maintained well enough
What?! That’s unreal! The aircraft in this video ended up executing the VNAV approach at Newark and not the ILS approach correct?
With redundancy being the saving grace of airliners, couldn't JFK (or other airports) put in multiple localizers?
Im utterly AMAZED by the calmness of the pilot. Hats off to you sir !!!
3 takes on this: 1. This channel is amazing 2. That pilot was freaking amazing 3. Since I’m not a pilot and was totally unaware of everything I’ve learned from binge watching this channel, I will never fly again with the same comfortable mindset. Nature + natural mechanical failures always looms. Not to mention the large spectrum of human error.
How eye opening…
Same here. I used to fly a lot for work, I'm glad I don't now!
You have to realize that incidents like these are extremely rare. And even in this rare instances, successful outcomes are more likely than not. The air flight industry learns from each instance making air travel safer and safer.
The pilot did say very early on that he lost his instruments. What he didn't stress enough early on was how critical his fuel was. However, both he and the ATC did a very professional job, cool under immense pressure, and saved the lives of 370 people who probably never knew just how close they came to deaths door.
The plane should be able to convert the pounds or gallons to minutes
He was obscure
In reality, death's door is almost always near you. Just think about all the things you count on to operate (or be operated by someone else) correctly around you to avoid potential injury or death. You must also depend on your body itself to operate correctly when eating, walking, running, driving, etc.
@@FrankAnzalone Gallons is a useless measure in big airplane aviation. First off, U.S vs. Imperial and EU uses liters. Pounds onboard eliminates density variables and easily converts to time in a standard everyone understands (ATC, emergency responders, pilot and dispatchers). The G.E.-90 engines burn about 6,000 pounds per engine per hour, slightly more for the bigger airframes of the -227ER and the -300. The math is hardly a problem for the pilots.
I think when brain fatigue sets in it's difficult to be how you might be when relaxed and calm. -if you listen to other such incidents-Mentour Pilot I think, you hear of pilots after 9 hours going into various brain fatigue, loss of touch with reality especially early hours of the morning ( forgot the word to describe it) etc situations -so despite me agreeing with you-I cannot blame them for the mere reason of facing all at once mind you, the over all stress, frightening alarm sounds and long haul flight hours! They were brilliant keeping it cool!
Damn - that is scary! What an amazing achievement to get this aircraft safely on the ground. Respect to all concerned!
I listen to this video and I must commend the well trained pilots and the air traffic controllers for handling this situation so calmly, patiently, professionally, and everyone working together to get this 777 on the ground.
Pilot was a true professional and the air traffic controllers were excellent too, you have to figure the pilots were exhausted and still had to land the plane safely.
WOW THAT WAS TENSE...FEEL FOR THAT PILOT...UNREAL STRESS TO GET THAT AIRCRAFT SAFELY ON THE GROUND.. GREAT JOB BY THE PILOT..
That 20 minute video flew by quickly. I was totally engrossed in the outcome. Hats off to ATC and the flying crew.
That was like hearing a very suspenseful audiobook. Very well done. Those Air India pilots deserve a lot of respect.
No. They don’t. That plane should never have left Delhi and they knew it.
@@wallyballou7417 I agree with you on the fuel reserve but the fact they kept it together when it became a crisis deserved some form of respect. They could have reacted differently and wound up with a terrible outcome.
@@wallyballou7417 Help me understand why you said that, please.
@@garrettswoodworx1873 Because the flight took off with several critical systems malfunctioning. Moreover, it was obvious there was a cascading system problem while the plane was enroute. They should have never taken off. And having taken off, they should never have continued into IFR conditions with only 1 radar altimeter functioning. Incredibly irresponsible.
@@wallyballou7417 What comic book did you read that in. It must be an exclusive issue.
Had a somewhat similar weather issue on a Delta flight MSP-KEF. Over Canada, Delta dispatch realized the only alternate airport our flight could reach was below weather minimums. So, even though weather in KEF was fine, we diverted to BGR to take on more fuel to make Scotland another alternate. The DTW-KEF flight had to do the same.
After watching this, I'm glad they did and the 5 hour delay stings less!
Great video, keeping one glued to the chair holding breath until the last second. I'm becoming addicted to your content. Keep on with your excellent work!
The pilot kept it very well, no panic!
It’s a really tough job when issues appear! So much responsibility these guys are bearing!
The air crew and ATC both did a very professional job!
So impressed by this pilot staying so calm in this situation. A true hero.
Once again, NOT a hero. A person doing his job.
@@sweynforkbeardtraindude piss off troll
And managed to be polite throughout this ordeal
What impresses me are the critical mistakes they committed as a crew, the poor judgement and lack of capacity to make better decisions for those souls on board under their care. Their communication in English with air traffic controllers really suck, and the unproper instrumentation maintenance by the company became evident turning into a serious liability. I can go all day! They exhibited poor flight planning skills that kill, nonsensical alternate sequencing and negligent control to destination. Poor navigation, weather briefing and forecasting. Frankly, it's a miracle they landed that triple 7 and passengers walk off that plane.
Only happened across this channel yesterday...what an amazing story. I think, as a passenger, I'd be very happy being left in the dark whilst this was going on! I'm sure many of the passengers were cranky they ended up at the wrong airport and never realised how close they were to not making any.
I don't know how many aviation videos I have watched, but this was the first time someone explained what a "localizer" is! Thank you!
Many lessons learned
1. Don’t be afraid to declare an emergency
2. The weather at your alternate may not be great either
3. Reserve fuel is important
4. Training and experience are crucial
Great job on this and your other videos. These will save lives
And ask company to maintain healthy Maintainence schedules…
yea I would say the pilot failed to declare the critical nature of the situation correctly to ATC, it took many valuable minutes for the controller to understand what was happening, also the information requested, ie reserve fuel was not identified in time which is also important. Dual INAV failure is pretty rare but in such bad weather and circumstances its a pan pan situation at the least. A good bit of luck that this plane actually made it in.
The lesson I learned of such a situation is that as soon as you have a problem, you should declare a Pan Pan or a mayday to be clearly understood by ATC.
Agree they would know a while back they were running out of gas
It was not, yet, any kind of emergency. 25% of those long flights land with less than an hour of fuel remaining. It is VERY common. The 777 in the video still had 45 minutes of fuel left. (7500kg/hr cruising; or 8200kg/hr landing; so I figured it at 9000kg/hr consumption rate just to be on the safe side.) Their main problem was finding a long runway with good enough visibility for a VFR landing within a short range. IMO, they could have looked a little farther inland, farther from the marine effects -- fog, mist, etc. They had enough fuel to fly for 45 more minutes. But it didn't look as though local conditions were improving fast enough to hang around. They had another 15 minutes to decide what to do? Should I stay or should I go?
@@sailor-rickProblem is they couldn’t land
@@effkay3691 Really?
Wow! Nice & clear description.
Loved the explanation - much better than just having the ATC audio and trying to work it out by myself (as a non-pilot)
Thats how to work a problem. Your explanation of the situation really had my heart rate elevated, great job.
Pilot had ice in his veins: no fuel, no instruments, no visibility. I would have been sh1tting myself!
Yeah, no chance doing that when the pucker factor is above a million! 😂
Lol
Maybe that was one of the problems.
Thing is, at some point, you have no other option. That is often easier than when you're trying to sift a few different plans with time to spare.
With a 400' cloudbase, and no fuel on board, you'd probably have to just chance it eventually and duck under the minima. All bets are off in these situations.
The pilot was amazing! He kept his cool throughout the whole scenario! Well done!
Man, I was listening to this with nervous anticipation over the whole issue. The pilots were superb. The tower was equally so. I wonder if people on the plane had any idea just how close they came to certain death? I’m so happy everything worked out in the nick of time. Phew!!
Hats off to that pilot who remained cool, calm, and amazingly polite!
@@Letsberealish That was some cool-headed panic.
@@Letsberealishhe sounds good to me. I have seen complete panic.
@@Letsberealishracist much?
I’d say there was concern in his voice. He was always working his problem, which is what stops when panic sets in.
@sandpiper9288 I agree. Little kids being murdered while sitting in classrooms is very mysterious.
With 7 tonnes of fuel I did not expect them to make it to any other airport, but these pilots are superman like, and hats-off to the controller. What a great teamwork! after 15 hours of flying, the alertness of the pilots is amazing.
As a pilot, I would recommend that you read my post this morning.. I'm not being clever.. After a 35 year career l just know how all this Should work.
1100 hrs . Amazing pilots .
@@jamesgraham6122 There are 388 comments. I know you can see your own comment at the top of the screen on your own device, but other's cannot. Your comment is buried somewhere in the 388
There’s actually two complete flight and cabin crews on the long haulers. So they were probably into the 7th to 8th hour of wheels up. Now you can appreciate the dual crew concept. I’ve been a fatigued flightcrew member. We almost landed on a highway on a moonless night. This was going into Nice, Fr. All 3 of us were fatigued as we were on our fourth leg that day and we all saw the same illusion. I finally figured it out at the last minute and Captain Pat made a great high bank angle VFR recovery into the airport. This was truly scary, although when you’re in the moment doing your job, fear isn’t really an option. So considering all of the factors with AI 101, my educated guess is that if one flight crew were actually flying for 15 hours, this would have been a very bad outcome. Hats off to both the flightcrew and controllers. Well done.
@@CaptainRon1913 Here it is.. it was prompted by reading many posts praising the flight crew..
These guys came as close as to killing 370 people aboard the aircraft and goodness knows how many on the ground in a major urban area as makes no difference.. it was a disaster of immense proportions, no doubt it would have been the worst single aircraft aviation disaster in history.. it was literally minutes away and pure luck saved the day, that's the same as the disaster actually happening, except that there was no wreckage. In spite of this, at no time did the flight crew declare an emergency, fuel as an issue was only mentioned to ATC late on in the approach sequence, at no time did the controllers ask if the flight crew would like to declare an emergency.. had an emergency been declared it would have focused the minds of ATC to other options.. possibly a landing at a military airfield, it may have made no difference, but it was clearly a case of getting every possible bit of help from the ground. An alternate is normally chosen at a distance from the destination that could be expected to offer a different weather pattern.. it's clear that this flight plan wasn't chosen with that in mind. It's not unusual for the east coast to be engulfed in low cloud/low vis weather and an alternate several hundred miles inland may prove to be a necessity.
The controller asked for fuel on board.. I've heard this several times during my career, in response the pilot gives a fuel quantity.. pretty pointless.. the question should be, fuel endurance? It's of little use to know that someone has 7000 kilos of fuel, this can represent different things to different aircraft.
I would dearly love to know how the crew came to be faced with so many onboard failures.
For those who say pilots get paid too much money. Let situations like this change your point of view!
I’ve never heard that people say that.
I travel often for recreation and would be totally fine with Pilots making double what they currently make. Full disclosure, I watch this channel often and have no pilot flight experience.
@@sunnygirl9691I have.
Nobody has ever said Pilots are overpaid 🙄.
...Nobody who has half a functioning brain cell would or has ever said that. Stop lying. Its an impossibly rare phrase cause no person who understands how planes work has ever said that....and seeing as how most humans understand how complex it is to fly and land airplanes?... Well then what does that leave us with?...
Wow, this was super tense to listen to. I'm so glad they made it down ok, they kept calm, asserted their needs clearly to ATC, and worked with them to get a workable solution to their predicament. Great professionalism all around.
Holy moly, thank God they landed safely.
A pilot once told me the difference between a pilot worth 100,000 a year and one worth 50,000 was one thunderstorm
Flew six F-111Fs from Cannon AFB, NM 9+ hrs to RAF Lakenheath in ‘92…landed all jets emergency fuel in 0-0 weather after fog rolled in with no suitable alternates. Had two options on our last approach 1) hand fly the ILS and hope the runway is there when you hit the ground or eject during missed approach. We all landed safely. Saw the runway lights at eighty feet. Had a beer and then continued our combat deployment 24 hours later… 524Fighter Squadron.
I live not too far from Lakenheath & it's major road (approach of runway) the main road named the "A.1065"
I used to go on base, regularly, right up until they retired the F.111's there sometime in 1994 (replaced w/F.15's)
I found your comment interesting, as we DO often get fog & damp weather in Suffolk and of course besides....
New Mexico is one helluva long long way away - I now have a few diecast metal 1/72 models of the F.111-F's
I doubt it was just one beer!
Oh man. We were stationed at both Cannon and Lakenheath when I was a kid. F-111's ❤
Scary. Too bad commercial airliners don't have an ejection option. Maybe a river or ocean if they're lucky.
Good pilot. But that is expected from you guys.
Brilliant ATC with altitude check warning, and . . . magnificent pilot.
Man I have to say the calm composure of those pilots knowing the situation they were in is commendable. The communication on everyone’s parts was amazing. Great way to work together and find a solution to get it down safely. Well done
Wow! Excellent explanation! I'm glad they were able to land. Stewart is a mixed-use Commercial / military Airport, but Newark was obviously the best choice! That pilot remained calm under extreme pressure!
I noticed the pilot never seemed to be rattled. Professionalism saved this bird.
@@Silent_RunningWWII slang for airplane
bird dam sir it f air plane w up kid be man
@@francisbeaudry8598 Bro did you have a stroke?
@@krummja4823 krumlajamat 🤣🤣
. 'Bird'? You've GOT to be kidding....
My stepfather was a lifer in the USAF and flew fighter jets in Vietnam and later came back stateside as aircraft support. I was a Crash Runway Specialist in the USAF(r) . Very familiar with all the terminology and after seeing a bellylanding and heated brake failures (C-130 training pilots landing and taking off on 1 mile runway) I was still biting my lip listening to the chatter back & forth between pilot and towers. Hat's off to the pilot of Air India 101 and the Tower personnel !!! I'm a subscriber to your channel now because this was a very real experience for me to listen to...
Youll never see me taking a Flight Anywhere after watching this Video!
As a lapsed ppl holder, that showed, excellent piloting skills. Calm throughout. (and polite). It helped that his English was very good too. Good work all round.
That pilot was awesome. Calm under the worst pressure. He had the 2 things I fear the most, weather & fuel problems.
Two bullshit pilots and if both ILS radios were out their airline also.
Instrument problems.
All after flying for 15 hours straight, communicating in a non-native language, crap visibility, with cockpit alarms sounding
@@MegaBoolaBoolaEnglish is not only the international air language, but also the national language of India.
@@stevehirjak7824 English is AN official language, but less than 10% speak it, and it's almost always as a second language. My point is, that makes it even more impressive that he was still able to aviate, navigate, and COMMUNICATE, during an emergency.
First time hearing of this event. I'm so happy they landed safely.
Once upon a time, when I was a cocky teenager, I had the impression that an airline pilot was merely an overpaid bus driver.
Now when I’m in my 60s and definitely wiser, I am humbled and realize how complicated flying can be. I’ve seen several of your Pilot Debrief and think this is one of the best ones.
I am not a pilot but I really enjoy your videos. It was very interesting hearing the communication between the pilot and ATC. It seemed to me that the pilot was reluctant to tell the ATC how serious the problem was. I was biting my nails. I'm so glad it was all ok in the end.
Amazing report.must say as a pilot the crew of air india conducted the situation in a very calm and professional manner as you expect from crew flying 777. Great job for ATC .i would like to know eventually what was their instrument problem since B777 is very reliable .
Holy sh*t, I was sitting here sweating, heart pounding the whole time! Good job, everyone!
GROW A paIr
@@Capecodham TROLL!!!
So much hats off for the pilots and also for ATC! Professinal manner all around here. I can just barely imagine the relief once touching down safely, what a great job!
This is by far the most stressful video of your I’ve listen to yet! I’m so grateful they were able to land safely! The pilot did a wonderful job! I wonder how many people that were on this flight listened to this? Omg so scary! Great videos! I have been non stop binging them. I hope all the flights I fly have safe pilots like you! Thank you for caring enough about us to always be safe while flying. Seriously 🙏🏼
My heart was racing listening to this ! Im glad they saved their lifes!
Thanks/ as a private pilot I learn from this situation. 22 years in the military, I was tough to ID the problem /find solutions. They knew that they were low on fuel no matter what. If the ILS is malfunctioning now there are two problems. And another problem is the accent barrier. Too much time spent on non- solutions
It became quite confusing to the point that I was not too sure where he was going to land JFK or EWR . I must say the controllers were very reassuring and professional . Multiple problems for the pilots to deal with after a 15 hour flight in addition to jet lag .
Definitely very challenging for the controller. He had to try and pull the info from the pilots to figure out what the problem really was. I think the pilot was fixated on trying to find a way to make it work at JFK but finally realized EWR was the better option. I would love to see a recording of the flight displays to see how they really flew the final approach, as I suspect there might be more to the story.
@@pilot-debrief
I agree ✈️
LOL to OP. Long haul flights and jet legs aren't obstacles to safe flying. For long hauls, there's always a relief cockpit crew that takes over for some part of the flight to ensure original crew is fresh and well rested when landing.
Excellent , calm, composed controller support to the aircraft that helped them land . Aircraft should have been grounded and faults rectified .
Yes, the atc did an awesome job. It was obvious he was well versed in how planes operate and was doing everything the pilot asked him to do, even though it didn't make a whole lot of sense as to what the pilot was thinking.
I've watched a lot of your videos so far, but this is the first one with a good outcome. I can't imagine flying for 15 hours, getting close to the destination, and not knowing if I can land safely with everyone onboard. Some good decision making by the pilot and his team. He set real expectations for the team, and still was able to land the plane despite less than ideal conditions. I wonder if anyone on the flight even knew that he was having these problems. Good job staying calm and working the problem by the team. Now this is just a good story that he can share with his fellow pilots to hopefully help them in the future if they encounter the same issues, and remind them that it is better to aim for ideal and hope for the best than pick the option to just get there.
This almost felt like a Hollywood movie - great job on letting the ATC recording build suspense and then leveling us off with the jargon explainer. I was really impressed with the controller in the middle who calmly pulled together all the facts and worked out what was required. We think pilots are the ones with the stressful jobs trying to land 300 souls - the ATC personnel potentially have tens of thousands of souls in their hands all day long.
Well described. A riveting story. It apoears professionalism and good judgment saved the day.
Well done to the pilots and all who helped them. It’s so frightening to be in that position.
Not so sure that was "well done" by ATP standards. Sounds like the pilots were not well-versed at using their onboard weather systems, or even knowing the available approaches or the updated weather at their filed alternate. Something had to go wrong with their fuel planning as well, as are required to carry enough fuel to fly to their alternate and fly for at least an additional hour on top of that diversion. They were not communicating clearly enough and they were not being completely open with the controller with regard to their fuel status. There should be an investigation into what caused this close call.
@@mjl8197also you forget something , they were about to crash at the alternate airport ,they ve been too low ..fortunately the controllers warn them that they are very low
Thank God the pilot & crew were able to land safely! This was very suspenseful up to the end! Great commentary…👍🏼
Great video. Best I have seen with far more complete recordings of ATC and pilot interchanges. Captain seems to have handled the problem in a skillful manner, landing safely. The complexity of the avionics in today's commercial aircraft is mind bending. Hats off to the captain and the ATC people who were wonderfully helpful in averting disaster.
Thanks!
Absolutely!
And while under all that stress of the final approach, the pilot still managed a "good morning" to the tower.......cooler than a cool thing in a cool place 🙂
I know, the politeness throughout was just amazing to behold. Thats the kind of person you want in a stressful situation.
Stellar job by the Air India crew. They kept calm and made good decisions in a particular stressful situation.
How come?
He should have stated an emergency (due to fuel) to get top priority from the ATC people.
Crap job
They pretended to be calm... and almost killed everyone. Not very professional. Stellar pilots from India ? You are dreaming. Incredible India...
@@miks564declaring emergency would have changed nothing. He communicated each of the events in a changing and worsening situation- cascading instrument issues, fuel issues and was decisive in choosing EWR. In the end he brought his ship safely home
@@rickbarrington It was a mistake. In the end he all the passengers were lucky
I was on the edge of my seat. Glad they were able to help their heads and land safely
What a cliff-hanger! The Air India captain was a total pro. Well done!
Hoover, first thank you for your service. Lucky you had the experience of two of the finest military aircraft...still in service today. Second, thanks for continuing to post these debriefs. They are very helpful insight into the back office issues the pilots, controllers, and ground crews face each day. Applying these lessons learned moments into other industry helps as well.
The pilot seemed pretty competent, but he should have shared more about the nature of the instrument failures sooner with ATC. When weather is a factor its always best to trust ATC to help and give all the information that you know to them so they can help more effectively. It is no sin to be dealing with a semi-emergency and ask for help.
You’re the perfect teacher!
My heart went out to the pilot from India. The somber tone in his voice towards the end spoke volumes. “There go I but for the grace of God”. 🙏
I flew the 777 for several years. It never pulled any of that crap on me. It was my all-time favorite airplane/
What airline? Thx
AA
Thank God no one was hurt. Excellent cooperation from all sides.
A god had nothing to do with it.
@@dongorrie1828:
*Your opinions do NOT count with me. Have a life* .
Wow! Seriously impressive flying and calm communications. Whenever I fly, I would love to have that guy sitting at the front!
This is one of my favorite videos you’ve put out. Your explanation is concise and clear providing state of mind of controllers and pilots.
This example demonstrates why clear communication is so critical. Also, "indefinite ceiling" is the vertical height at which an object would gradually disappear as it ascends. The boundary between visible and not visible is gradual with indefinte ceilings ( rather than rapid as it might be entering a cloud base) This is not quite the same as your wording.
I caught that too. Locust valley is correct.
These pilot's did a great job, everyone landed safe.
That was the most stressful scenario that I've listened to in 10 years
I so badly would love to become a pilot but knowing I'd have to be as solid as this pilot in bad conditions is not likely as I suffer from a moderate amount of anxiety. Bless these pilots as the good ones do really save a lot of lives.
Id fly this airline any day..... great job Captain
You did a great job explaining this event. What I'd love to know is how a modern airliner had so many nav system failures especially with all the redundancy.
It's Air INDIA... not the best maintenance around.
@@saito125 Not the worst either. For the record, the US/FAA does not let airlines with substandard maintenance even fly in their airspace, which is why Air India was actually prohibited from operating flights to US a few years ago. But they've been on the ball and match any US carrier's maintenance for a while since.
Edit: So this might not necessarily have been a maintenance related issue at all. Tech and machines just fail sometimes.
@@charlie7masonA Double ILS failure is extremely rare.
It's a plane from INDIA! Have you ever watched some Indian YT videos? Even though I am skeptical about Indian tech I have to congratulate them on the moon landing. Luck?
@@saito125completely ignorance speaking...
Wow, that was an incredible, the Indian pilots deserve some award for being totally in control and super quick to react to each situation that presented itself to them. the irony being the passengers not knowing what's going on may have been a little upset that landed in Jersey instead of JFK.
Nah, they should have never let it get that far.
That's kinda funny, they just flew 15 hrs. Go to land in and there beacon that centres their plane plus other electronics are not working, what could they have possibly done. They landed a difficult landing in low visibility with a few secondary electronics.@ a secondary airport they prob were not familiar with landing the plane in 200ft less vis than he stated he needed. That's good flying.
Sure an award for flying a totally broken aircraft around the world and almost crashing and killing 330 people in NJ.
@@dashcan8479 just not sure how they would have known there landing electronics were not working over the ocean, I have never heard of pilots checking those systems until needed, unfortunately for them it was the end of a long flight( low fuel) &low visibility, yet everyone is alive while landing in 400 ft visibility after requesting 600 with secondary electronic landing assistance only.
Really enjoying the content, but a little bit of constructive criticism: I feel like the end of the video comes a bit too quick…like maybe you should do a little more recapping/lessons learned/etc. before sign off. We seem to just barely get the landing (or crash 😢) in before video stops. Thx for your hard work and your service!
I was going to suggest the same, still waiting for the debrief!
@@vidpromjm I agree completely! This seems be pretty common on these videos - I do like them and just would like to get your views on lessons learned, suggestions for pilots or controllers, or other points for discussion and thought.
I agree that even just a sentence or 2 about "the plane landed safely with no injuries" would have helped, but I guess we can assume that's what happened. I even looked in the description because I thought it might be in there, to no avail, but this was very interesting to a couch pilot and your commentary is helpful. Good job! This video was in my recommended videos and I subscribed!
I noticed that as well, it's just not what I'm used to, usually people do a video ending segment, and he seems to be following so the other TH-cam formulae to get your attention and keep you watching the video.
Agreed! It seems like most of the videos simply end when I’m waiting for some kind of wrap up lol
Whew! Cut to the bone, amazing focus on the critical task at hand.
My experience was minuscule but the reminders are always good. Left Las Vegas full load of fuel to Van Nuys airport, Ca. IFR knowledgeable not yet rated . Weather immediately changed though checked b4 leaving. 1/2 out Van Nuys, Whiteman, Santa Monica, Burbank LAX all socked in; , Ventura area out. Wound up in Riverside; as we landed to a clear sky runway we saw a fog bank coming in behind us a couple miles back- we had tapped into our reserve fuel 1/2 hour remaining. Never ever assume.
As always great reviews, Thanks Don
OMG !!! This gave me chills as I am a private pilot
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Top Notch video! Thanks for your Patriotic service for us, you know your stuff brother.✈
Bravo to these pilots for maintaining clear thinking and safely landing a very large jet.
Wow! I'm in awe of this pilot. Amazing!
The big question is: why did they have these instrument failures? That is what I would want to know now.
Were these failures real or due to mismanagement. A follow up after landing would be interesting, but no matter what the pilots should have declared an emergency after the first missed approach.
Now? Like right now? Like this instant?
@@thonatim5321The emphasis is not on the word "now". They mean, now that they've *seen the video*. It's a shorthand way in English of saying "That's what I want to know, now that I've seen the video".
The first big question is: why they were so low on fuel after just one missed approach, not having enough fuel even for the alternate plus contingency?
Because a lot of these countries have shitty maintenance and try and save money
True professionals at work!!! Pilots and Tower! Amazing!
An excellent example of keeping calm in an emergency situation.
That pilot sounded so calm!