I use the Kiox, and like the human power, heart rate and cadence. But I’d really like to see motor power in Watts too, so I can understand the power split between ride and motor in various modes.
Excellent review (and good PR for Bosch), everything you said is true, but you forgot (or shouldn’t) tell us some other things, I’ll tell you as a 6-month Kiox user: 1. It is a 250€ device without a GPS sensor and it's completely dependent on the smartphone, if you do not have an internet connection, navigation will struggle or will not work at all, you GPS track will be interrupted ... 2. Fitness ... all you have from Fitness is your HR (current, average and maximum), there is no option to adjust the HR range, and the engine will help you according to this setting (as the Specialized app does. ..) 3. You can see the current altitude, but you will not see ascent and descent data, neither in the Bosch app !?!? 4. There is no automatic upload to Strava or Garmin, you can do it only in web app manually, with mobile app you can't 5. When you go on ride be sure that your mobile phone is fully charged because location data will drain you phone battery very quickly...you can charge phone thru Kiox but you have to buy Bosch cable (10 cm long ?!?!, totally useless, other cables doesn’t work) 6. Lock function is OK but if you loose Kiox than you are in trouble... Over all, good device but, it's to much dependent on internet network and that is not good for MTB trail users
I use the Nyon and my wife has the Kiox. We use this daily to track everything. The heart rate monitor is spotty and does not always connect but the other features work really well. We use the Sena helmets and it would be nice to get direction with verbal directions in the helmet. I also would like to see tire pressure monitoring.
Not to forget: You can even charge your phone via the Kiox display. You just need a cable to connect with correct adapter. And this is officially allowed. Check the manual! I use this when navigating with Komoot on iPhone for longer rides
primitive not to say vulgar product placement. It appears as no drawbacks are in Kiox software - all super and sweet. But It happens that I own cube with kiox but I have ridden also Specialized and the software and options which Specialized offers is light years ahead of bosch...
Looks like this was a year ago - is Bosch any better now? I'm thinking specifically of the Bosch Performance CX Smart System with Intuvia controller. Please forgive me if this is a noob question, this is all very new to me.
@@Mr_Blootered it's much better now. Ebike 2 system i something much different but I don't understand why Smart system is not backwords compatible. It have the same motor, just with Smart System, same battery again different port. Smart system give you much more options but again Bosch don't allow to use other devices like Garmin to all fetures. You can connect Garmin to system but you can't control settings from Garmin display. You need to have LED Control od more to be able to do anything. Also Bosch lack when it comes to small controller, its big but much smaller than purion display. I would buy Bosch Smart System only becouse of new great SX motor. CX is still one od the best motors on the market but SX with 400wh battery waights only 4kg
I love using the Kiox. Great for navigation and seeing the effort put into a ride. One thing that doesn’t seem to work is great ascent value. It also seems to over estimate the climbing when transferred to Strava and compared to kamoot. I must have a setting wrong 🤯
Also, you cannot upgrade your bike software with Kiox as Steve mentioned, you can only upgrade the Kiox software via bluetooth....and you cannot have any battery diagnostics as the end user without going to the dealer....
Very nice video. Kiox is an amazing upgrade, But overall Bosch is locked in it's own ecosystem regarding connectivity....It would be great to be able to connect your Bosch ebike to your Garmin gps device. But then who would buy the other more expensive displays that Bosch is offering?
Heart rate monitor connection gives you accurate calories. I also use the navigation in bike parks as well as mountains... though I rarely publish my rides. I was just telling a mate today that an ebike with kiox beats any exercise bike that I ever used ! @ 18 months and 1500 miles, it's a great bit of kit. My only gripe is having to go to a dealer to activate the integrated light control ( for when I get compatible lights this winter )
Steve, Thanks for this look at "connectivity" and the BOSCH Kiox Display! I have 3 comments and a "best practices" for my Kiox and beyond. Comment 1: I love my 2021 Trek Rail 9.7, with the Gen. 4 Performance CX motor. 2. The BOSCH Connect app really drains your smartphone's battery! 3. Even after contacting BOSCH NA, I cannot connect my Kiox with STRAVA. Based on the 3 comments, my "best practice" is to use the Kiox display during my eMTB ride, but to use my Garmin smartwatch to sync up with STRAVA. Clint, The (USA) eBike Guy x2
I have successfully uploaded my ride to Strava from the Kiox. It was such a convoluted procedure that I have forgotten exactly how it’s done! I believe that you can only do it by going through the Bosch website..not the connect app. I have set the website as a favourite on my iPad and after a ride I access the connect function and then my ride file and then upload to Strava. I haven’t been able to have it upload automatically but rest assured you can directly upload to Strava. If anyone has a better way I would be keen to find out how because, like you, I contacted Bosch and they could not give me any constructive help.
Will be nice if you can all that data be transferred to garmin ecosystem or send by Bluetooth or ant+ as sensor to other fitness trackers or computers.
Yes, easy swap. But you have to pull the motor to get to the plugs and you have to change the cable down to the motor. Other than that it is plug and play.
I don't expect that the Kiox would export the data via Bluetooth/Ant+ to a Garmin or similar unit? The latest info I found was from 2020 where it wasn't (yet) possible.
Great video! but still missing NP instead Avg power, also for the update is valid only for the headunit.....weird in 2021 not possible to update all system (drive and battery), isn't it?
Great info in the vid. Please post where that Kiox handlebar mount is available. I can only find a stem cap mounted option which is a bit exposed. Thx.
When you use the navigation but you come at the same point 2 or 3 times you will have a kiox screen filled with blue lines and you will have to take your phone to see witch line to follow... because there is no indication on the kiox. 🤦♂️
I can't be arsed with all that crap, I just ride my bike, but I can see some things that might be useful for some like auto-gear-shifting when the bike detects an elevation change from map data and torque changes. I want useful features that make the rides more fun than they already are. I'm a lazy barsteward, that's why I ride eBike, so don't care how much my heart isn't working or how many calories I've not burnt, just tell me how far it is to the pub and how to get there, Cheers!
Got to agree with some of the comments below.... My Trek Rail sounds like a bag of spanners on rough terrain... 🙉 It really spoils the bike in my opinion. The motor is great when it's actually assisting you, but the noise and the 1990's purion display, connectivity and Boschs' closed system approach is definitely a big negative and will affect my next ebike purchase ..... despite this blatant Bosch advert.... 🙄
My Performance Line XC makes virtually no motor noise campared to Shimano EP8000. If you bike is making a lot of noise over rough terrain. Check your derailleur clutch and check that all of your linkages screws are tight as they will make a lot of noise that appears to come from the motor. Been there and fixed that.
@@richardkaz2336 It's definitely the motor. If I'm pedalling over roots or rough ground it's totally silent. The derailleur clutch "appears" to be working. How much tension should there be? Thanks for any help. I'm seriously considering getting rid of this bike the noise bothers me so much.
No use to me on my 2018 Powerfly. Can't connect as there is no interface with the Purion, besides don't have time or desire to look lovingly at a screen sa I prefer to not a hug a tree or plumet into a ravine. As for navigation most of our trails don't appear on any apps except for routes that have been shared on other Strava users. So for that an old IPhone and Quad Lock does the trick.
For me , This material is only to show and remind bosch system. Why ? They need to have advertaisment when They show new engine or bigger battery . Only for that.
90% comes with purion... They should at least sell a simple add on thar connects to the phone and streams the data without 200 euros on a kiosk that does not work that well...
Shockingly bad, even on your screen you are missing accent and decent. It has never shown this on mine post ride, it has only shown the route I have taken 3 times. Only 4 times out of 10 does it actually connect to my phone. Bosch are historically adverse to connecting to 3rd party stuff or like most others we would be able to tune the power in each mode. I use my kiox for range and range alone,to be honest it's all it's good for. I now ride with s Garmin 1000 because of kiox failings.
100% agree. The navigation is useless, especially if you have an intersection with 4 or 5 paths to choose. And that you cannot customize motor power is beyond belief in 2021. oh, and they want to charge me an extra 10 Bucks for the locking feature… ain’t gonna happen…
The Navigation doesn’t work that well! You may well find that you need your phone mounted on your bike… Kiox doesn’t really navigate that well. “Route could not be calculated “ … is a common reply to any simple navigation request…🤯
What about when the motor reaches the speed limit but instead of disengaging to allow you to free ride it switches off and you get lots of drag from the motor talk about engine braking 😡
I use only battery % , power mode and cadence from my kiox....navigation is so bad vs. the cheapest Garmin ever. @embn which should be the best avg cadence to save battery? I used to run at 60... thanks
Totally agree, I also just use mine for the basic display function plus the lock, 9 times out of 10 it doesn’t record my rides and currently still thinks I’m on a ride which finished last week! I use a Garmin explore (which has its moments too!) and Strava via my Apple Watch for navigation and route recording.
Bosch is very far behind other brands in terms of connectivity. The simple connection to a Garmin system is not possible. They are blind in their own world.
Do you use any of these functions on your e bike?
I use the Kiox, and like the human power, heart rate and cadence. But I’d really like to see motor power in Watts too, so I can understand the power split between ride and motor in various modes.
Excellent review (and good PR for Bosch), everything you said is true, but you forgot (or shouldn’t) tell us some other things, I’ll tell you as a 6-month Kiox user:
1. It is a 250€ device without a GPS sensor and it's completely dependent on the smartphone, if you do not have an internet connection, navigation will struggle or will not work at all, you GPS track will be interrupted ...
2. Fitness ... all you have from Fitness is your HR (current, average and maximum), there is no option to adjust the HR range, and the engine will help you according to this setting (as the Specialized app does. ..)
3. You can see the current altitude, but you will not see ascent and descent data, neither in the Bosch app !?!?
4. There is no automatic upload to Strava or Garmin, you can do it only in web app manually, with mobile app you can't
5. When you go on ride be sure that your mobile phone is fully charged because location data will drain you phone battery very quickly...you can charge phone thru Kiox but you have to buy Bosch cable (10 cm long ?!?!, totally useless, other cables doesn’t work)
6. Lock function is OK but if you loose Kiox than you are in trouble...
Over all, good device but, it's to much dependent on internet network and that is not good for MTB trail users
I use the Nyon and my wife has the Kiox. We use this daily to track everything. The heart rate monitor is spotty and does not always connect but the other features work really well. We use the Sena helmets and it would be nice to get direction with verbal directions in the helmet. I also would like to see tire pressure monitoring.
Not to forget: You can even charge your phone via the Kiox display. You just need a cable to connect with correct adapter. And this is officially allowed. Check the manual!
I use this when navigating with Komoot on iPhone for longer rides
I Pelaton in the cold months. To train on Pelaton is now completely capable on the bike. VERY COOL
primitive not to say vulgar product placement. It appears as no drawbacks are in Kiox software - all super and sweet. But It happens that I own cube with kiox but I have ridden also Specialized and the software and options which Specialized offers is light years ahead of bosch...
I agree totally, its very far behind anything else on the market and the e-bike connect app is very temperamental
The Bosch software isn't anywhere near other brands, the motors are great but software is sup par. Especially ebike connect
Looks like this was a year ago - is Bosch any better now? I'm thinking specifically of the Bosch Performance CX Smart System with Intuvia controller.
Please forgive me if this is a noob question, this is all very new to me.
@@Mr_Blootered it's much better now. Ebike 2 system i something much different but I don't understand why Smart system is not backwords compatible. It have the same motor, just with Smart System, same battery again different port.
Smart system give you much more options but again Bosch don't allow to use other devices like Garmin to all fetures. You can connect Garmin to system but you can't control settings from Garmin display. You need to have LED Control od more to be able to do anything. Also Bosch lack when it comes to small controller, its big but much smaller than purion display. I would buy Bosch Smart System only becouse of new great SX motor. CX is still one od the best motors on the market but SX with 400wh battery waights only 4kg
Excellent overview of the eBike Connect and Kiox. Inspiring for me to try some options on Kiox I hadn’t previously.
Good timing on this video. I am looking at getting a white E150 and was wanting to put kiox on it. It was good to find out it can do.
Great to hear you like the video and it helps 👍
I love using the Kiox. Great for navigation and seeing the effort put into a ride. One thing that doesn’t seem to work is great ascent value. It also seems to over estimate the climbing when transferred to Strava and compared to kamoot. I must have a setting wrong 🤯
Yay! Bosch. I love my Kiox navigation function.
Since last update mine doesn't work
Also, you cannot upgrade your bike software with Kiox as Steve mentioned, you can only upgrade the Kiox software via bluetooth....and you cannot have any battery diagnostics as the end user without going to the dealer....
Very nice video. Kiox is an amazing upgrade, But overall Bosch is locked in it's own ecosystem regarding connectivity....It would be great to be able to connect your Bosch ebike to your Garmin gps device. But then who would buy the other more expensive displays that Bosch is offering?
Heart rate monitor connection gives you accurate calories. I also use the navigation in bike parks as well as mountains... though I rarely publish my rides. I was just telling a mate today that an ebike with kiox beats any exercise bike that I ever used ! @ 18 months and 1500 miles, it's a great bit of kit. My only gripe is having to go to a dealer to activate the integrated light control ( for when I get compatible lights this winter )
Steve, Thanks for this look at "connectivity" and the BOSCH Kiox Display! I have 3 comments and a "best practices" for my Kiox and beyond. Comment 1: I love my 2021 Trek Rail 9.7, with the Gen. 4 Performance CX motor. 2. The BOSCH Connect app really drains your smartphone's battery! 3. Even after contacting BOSCH NA, I cannot connect my Kiox with STRAVA. Based on the 3 comments, my "best practice" is to use the Kiox display during my eMTB ride, but to use my Garmin smartwatch to sync up with STRAVA. Clint, The (USA) eBike Guy x2
I have successfully uploaded my ride to Strava from the Kiox. It was such a convoluted procedure that I have forgotten exactly how it’s done! I believe that you can only do it by going through the Bosch website..not the connect app. I have set the website as a favourite on my iPad and after a ride I access the connect function and then my ride file and then upload to Strava. I haven’t been able to have it upload automatically but rest assured you can directly upload to Strava. If anyone has a better way I would be keen to find out how because, like you, I contacted Bosch and they could not give me any constructive help.
But can we get a Bosch that doesn’t get tracked via Bluetooth? Opting out of all tech should also be an option in the future.
Will be nice if you can all that data be transferred to garmin ecosystem or send by Bluetooth or ant+ as sensor to other fitness trackers or computers.
Hey Embn! Only Ray cares more about electronic data than the riding! Ride ride ride!
Is it possible to replace a Purion with a Kiox, is it plug in?
Yes, easy swap. But you have to pull the motor to get to the plugs and you have to change the cable down to the motor. Other than that it is plug and play.
I have done it - 30min job mainly spent on the internal cable runs
Excellent salesman. I will go and buy it right now!
I know it's commercial, but I liked it ;-)
Thanks Igor
I don't expect that the Kiox would export the data via Bluetooth/Ant+ to a Garmin or similar unit? The latest info I found was from 2020 where it wasn't (yet) possible.
Great video! but still missing NP instead Avg power, also for the update is valid only for the headunit.....weird in 2021 not possible to update all system (drive and battery), isn't it?
Great info in the vid. Please post where that Kiox handlebar mount is available. I can only find a stem cap mounted option which is a bit exposed. Thx.
KTM offers one like that.
@@carstenreeder8634Thx for the reply. Do you have a link?
Either KTM kiox mount or cube acid mount. Just look it up on Google
10:13mins 53MPH!!! Where did you hit that 👀👀👀🤔
Do not forget that Bosch is in parallel also getting all its customer’s usage data via their account system…
Speaking about connectivity, in the portal I saw two rides both where unnamed activity in the portal so I guess something went wrong there :)
Can you dispense with kiox display and just use phone instead
Why the heck does Bosch not offer this app in Brazil?
Want to order this one, really like fonction to navigateur
While I am here, how hard is the upgrade? I am sure I could handle it just not sure if I want to. A how to video maybe?
Speaking of connectivity i have to say that my friends with specialized are light years in advance than me with bosch system.
To bad bosch ebike connect can't be downloaded in Indonesia
When you use the navigation but you come at the same point 2 or 3 times you will have a kiox screen filled with blue lines and you will have to take your phone to see witch line to follow... because there is no indication on the kiox. 🤦♂️
Kiox ordered :D Greetings from Poland
Brilliant 👏
Thanks, Kevin! 🙌
Wait, before this you was still using a paper map? I don't understand how you are able to turn the bike on with that level of technology disfunction.
I got someone to do that for me Joe....
@@stevejones7956 Some people have people. The only people I have need help. I just want to follow someone.
I can't be arsed with all that crap, I just ride my bike, but I can see some things that might be useful for some like auto-gear-shifting when the bike detects an elevation change from map data and torque changes. I want useful features that make the rides more fun than they already are. I'm a lazy barsteward, that's why I ride eBike, so don't care how much my heart isn't working or how many calories I've not burnt, just tell me how far it is to the pub and how to get there, Cheers!
Got to agree with some of the comments below....
My Trek Rail sounds like a bag of spanners on rough terrain... 🙉 It really spoils the bike in my opinion. The motor is great when it's actually assisting you, but the noise and the 1990's purion display, connectivity and Boschs' closed system approach is definitely a big negative and will affect my next ebike purchase .....
despite this blatant Bosch advert.... 🙄
Bosh Purion owner here... so no connectivity for me...
This help buying decisions before you get locked into one proprietary system and finding out it doesn't have the features you want.
My Kiox says i can ride 255km after first discharge and charge, this is not accurate at all! Cube Stereo Hybride HPC SL
Apple watch connect to the bosch system no problem, but garmin watches don't. I'd much prefer a garmin watch for longer outdoor activites.
Thanks for this Nice video
I ride a Bosch powered bike, love the motor. But...Bosch, at the forefront of connectivity ? Really? Who are you kidding?
My Bosch driven bike makes so much noise while going over rough terrain I want to get rid of it. Sounds worse than a big box store bike.
My Performance Line XC makes virtually no motor noise campared to Shimano EP8000. If you bike is making a lot of noise over rough terrain. Check your derailleur clutch and check that all of your linkages screws are tight as they will make a lot of noise that appears to come from the motor. Been there and fixed that.
@@richardkaz2336 It's definitely the motor. If I'm pedalling over roots or rough ground it's totally silent. The derailleur clutch "appears" to be working. How much tension should there be? Thanks for any help. I'm seriously considering getting rid of this bike the noise bothers me so much.
@@milkfridge I basically only do CX and the noise is horrendous! I can't believe Bosch is even selling a product like this.
Nice 👍
I have a kiox on my rail, and I certainly won't be downloading any apps.
Why do I need to know my heart rate? It's beating inside my chest fcol! 🤦
No use to me on my 2018 Powerfly. Can't connect as there is no interface with the Purion, besides don't have time or desire to look lovingly at a screen sa I prefer to not a hug a tree or plumet into a ravine. As for navigation most of our trails don't appear on any apps except for routes that have been shared on other Strava users. So for that an old IPhone and Quad Lock does the trick.
Lmao. At 5:32 it tells you you’re going the wrong way, but there’s only 1 track…
For me , This material is only to show and remind bosch system. Why ? They need to have advertaisment when They show new engine or bigger battery . Only for that.
Yeah not fair. I have a 2021 trek rail 5 with the purion display .and Bosch should somehow upgrade firmware so I can connect to my phone.
Upgrade to the Kiox, I’ve just done that to my Trek Rail that came with Purion display
90% comes with purion... They should at least sell a simple add on thar connects to the phone and streams the data without 200 euros on a kiosk that does not work that well...
Shockingly bad, even on your screen you are missing accent and decent. It has never shown this on mine post ride, it has only shown the route I have taken 3 times. Only 4 times out of 10 does it actually connect to my phone.
Bosch are historically adverse to connecting to 3rd party stuff or like most others we would be able to tune the power in each mode.
I use my kiox for range and range alone,to be honest it's all it's good for.
I now ride with s Garmin 1000 because of kiox failings.
100% agree. The navigation is useless, especially if you have an intersection with 4 or 5 paths to choose. And that you cannot customize motor power is beyond belief in 2021. oh, and they want to charge me an extra 10 Bucks for the locking feature… ain’t gonna happen…
The Navigation doesn’t work that well!
You may well find that you need your phone mounted on your bike… Kiox doesn’t really navigate that well. “Route could not be calculated “ … is a common reply to any simple navigation request…🤯
just give us a bluetooth connection so we can connect our phone, the people will take it from there
What about when the motor reaches the speed limit but instead of disengaging to allow you to free ride it switches off and you get lots of drag from the motor talk about engine braking 😡
😍🔋⚡️
Way not use Bosch smart flow for this
Robert Bosch should be honest and publish a list of phones proven to work with this. My certainly does not. Even after four years of trying
I use only battery % , power mode and cadence from my kiox....navigation is so bad vs. the cheapest Garmin ever.
@embn which should be the best avg cadence to save battery? I used to run at 60...
thanks
Totally agree, I also just use mine for the basic display function plus the lock, 9 times out of 10 it doesn’t record my rides and currently still thinks I’m on a ride which finished last week! I use a Garmin explore (which has its moments too!) and Strava via my Apple Watch for navigation and route recording.
Or you could go for a ride and have fun without this pointless shit
Bosch is very far behind other brands in terms of connectivity. The simple connection to a Garmin system is not possible. They are blind in their own world.
Just calm down … before you do yourself a mischief.
Bosch has the worst display ever.