Sorry if I haven't replied to your comment on this video. I have received some notifications, but have been unable to see the comments and therefore unable to respond. Thank you to woudreus for suggesting taking a look at SchweizMobil app and to grzesfajny for suggesting openmtbmap.org. I will certainly check them both out 👍
Very nice explanation! I got into komoot similarly and love it due to the detailed maps and the amount of people posting their ride recaps to find new trails and tours. Instead of mounting my phone directly to the handlebar, I went for a top frame bag with a plastic cover: the phone is well protected, can be plugged into my e-mtb's display to charge it for the constant screen use and I can operate the most basic functions through the plastic cover without taking off my mtb gloves...this does take some practice though. The bag even doubles as storage for my multi-tool and a tiny first aid kit. The only thing I miss with this solution would be to have easier access to the phone for taking pictures during the ride...taking it out of the bag, unplugging it from the display and taking a photo is still a bit too much hassle. Your video gave me some other ideas, but I'll still need to think twice whether I want to shell out into a Kiox upgrade kit and replace the detailed komoot map for just the spaghetti line of the planned route. I'll likely look into trying other top frame bags first.
Thanks! The top tube bag sounds like a much better option. What gloves are you using? I've seen many gloves that claim to enable you to operate screens, but there seems to be quite a difference in how good they are at this. I was really concerned about the spaghetti line as well, but it was much clearer than expected. I'm keen to see how it fairs later in the season when I'm using it much more.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland I'm using Shimano Long Gloves (www.velofactory.ch/Shimano-Long-Gloves-black-M). While they're not the most robust or warm gloves, thumb and index finger work well enough for panning or zooming while navigating the map. Getting a slightly smaller size than what you usually wear might also help.
Great video, answered all my questions. Would you say everything still holds up in 2023 ? Or would you be looking for another solution ? I’m thinking of doing the same as you
To be honest, I've reverted to just using the voice directions in komoot on my phone. Overall it seems to be just about as accurate and requires one less step to transfer the GPS file to the Bosch app. Having once destroyed a phone by mounting it on my bars, the only upgrade I would consider from my current setup is to buy a dedicated GPS and mount it on the top tube
Oh no I’ve just ordered my Kiox, perhaps I should cancel ! I do like the fact that you get a power meter with the flow app as well as cadence etc, all handy if you are training, but perhaps gps would be significantly better would you say ?
@@JoeMurphysGuitarlessons A GPS would be better for navigating. But there is one feature on the kiox you don't get on a GPs that I could never give up: a battery percentage indicator! It makes managing the battery so much easier and removes all range anxiety.
Well with the kiox being hard wired into my e-bike, worrying about battery life would not be an issue. I’m guessing in conjunction with Komoot kiox should get me where I need to go, yes undoubtedly gps will offer more detail, but like I say it won’t tell me anything about power output cadence etc unless I start laying out for all the accessories needing to provide me with that data
I was always out of these apps due to my lack of understanding, but have to say we used trail forks on the Longridge ride and it got us to the trails we were looking for 👍🏼 Glad komoot worked so well on your bike display, that is surely a winner 👍🏼⚡
This is a good solution... We just plot a route and bang it onto the Garmin and we're off. The only issue is that it's a "bread crumb" route and doesn't re-calibrate when you have to detour. However... We have used it successfully to ride from Munich to Venice without any issues. Regarding your phone battery drain... It's the screen man. If the screen is off, you'll be good for ages... If you're not into buying something specific... This should be baller! ;D Nice vid mate!!
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland It's just the model I have (edge520 I think)... The better models do all kinds of fun stuff... But they cost more "beer groats"... :(
Really interesting video. I was an early adopter to Komoot and they very kindly gave me world mapping as a thank you. I too find it works really well 99% of the time, rerouting is very quick. I've never really had any problems with stopping and looking as I just have the speaker on and put the phone in my bag or pocket and just follow it that way. If you go wrong it soon tells you off 🤣 only thing is on some videos you can hear her voice a little too much 🤣
Glad you liked it. We aim to please! I kept missing the voice directions due to trail noise and perhaps my poor hearing, so often ended up having to climb and/or hike-a-bike my way back onto the correct route - not a trivial undertaking in the mountains! For planning purposes though Komoot is excellent.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland I hear ya 👍. PS I never understood the hooha about trail forks either . Even in the Peak District which obviously has quite a few trails, virtually nothing comes up. Useless.
Thanks for commenting. I did think about making such a video, but to be honest it was so simple, I didn’t think it was worth it. I’ll keep it in mind though. Might be a project for this winter.
It’s certainly never going to compete with something like a Garmin. Another issue I have recently discovered is that just because a trail is on komoot doesn’t mean it is on the Bosch app, which can lead to some very strange routing when the gps is imported.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Joseph here. In two days I'm scheduled to have my display updated from Purion to Kiox. Prefer Kiox because it can charge my iphone and the navigation with Komoot. Can you connect your phone to the Kiox while at the same time connect your phone to bone conducting bluetooth headphones? One last question--can you provide more detail on your comment that just because a trail is on Komoot doesn't mean it's on the Bosch app? I thought you had to download the trip from Komoot to the Kiox via the Bosch app. Do some routes fail to download??? Thank much for your video!
Hi Joseph. Unfortunately, I never use headphones while riding, so can't tell you whether or not you can connect to the Kiox at he same time. In answer to your second question: When you plan a route in komoot, you need to transfer the route to the Bosch app. It is the Bosch app that takes care of all the navigation while you are on the move, communicating the directions to the Kiox as you go. The Kiox itself is just displaying the route information and not operating as a GPS. I planned a route on komoot and then when I transferred it to the Bosch app, it automatically rerouted me because one of the trails wasn't on the Bosch map. There might be an option to preserve off-grid segments in the Bosch app, but I haven't had time to investigate yet.
Great video and helpful. Just to check though does it only work if you pre plan a route ? ie it doesn't look as though you can see a map / route without fixing a start and destination ?
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Yes thought so...just thought I may have missed something.The Orbea looks good...it was my 1st choice but impossible to get in the UK last year. I went for a Whyte.Do you like it ?
Hi, I have an question about your kiox holder, which brand is it? I've ordered a kiox to modernize my Haibike fatsix 9.0, but I don't really like the original holder, I know it's been over 3 years ago😂😂😂
No problem. It’s the original Orbea mount that came with the bike. It’s a pretty good solution that keeps the Kiox tucked away and out of danger. Much better than having sit up on top of the stem.
Great video as always. I've been a Trailfork user for quite a while but I agree with you on the poor mapping in most of Switzerland. Quick question related to the trails you can ride a bike on. I've heard that in Canton ZH it is illegal to use the bike on a Wanderweg unless there's a sign that bikes are allowed (not sure if it's true or not though). Do you know anything about the legal aspect of going down a trail that might be pedestrians only? What are the signs riders should be aware when following the GPS?
Thanks for watching and commenting. As far as I know, it is allowed to ride on 'Wanderwege' in the Canton of Zurich, unless it explicitly states that it is forbidden (Fahrverbot). The important thing is to always give way to hikers and avoid times when there is a lot of foot traffic. In all the years I've been riding here, my encounters with hikers have been almost exclusively positive.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerlandGood to know! Thanks. Also, you should find a way to post the GPS coordinates of the cool trails you've been shredding. I'd be really interested in checking them out ;)
Unfortunately, I don't know.I've switched to just using the voice navigation on Komoot. It's a simpler solution that is just as effective for my purposes.
Something similar. It runs the navigation on your phone with the Bosch app and displays it on the Kiox. You can synchronize your Komoot with the Bosch app, which allows you to navigate komoot routes as well.
Great video very informative although I’m still a bit ‘old skool’ like you mentioned and mostly rely on looking at map before I set off, maybe stopping at certain points for quick check on Trailforks and then finding out where I exactly went after the ride on Strava 👍😂
Thanks fella. I've actually stopped using Strava. Because the trails I ride on are predominantly shared usage, I was concerned about the way it encourages people to try and compete for faster times and the potential for an access ending accident with a walker. The heat maps, however, are a super useful tool for finding the trails others are riding.
The only time I can get the arrow to disappear is when I search for a destination. Otherwise, it's always there in the bottom left-hand corner of the map.
Great video 👍 when I try and do it as soon as I move my phone more than a foot away from the kiox it loses connection. Which is a nightmare as I keep my phone in my bag.
Thanks. That has happened to me once. Perhaps it is less of a problem because I keep my phone in a case on my ruck sack shoulder strap. Good to know - I can see how that would be seriously annoying.
I love my wahoo Elemnt Bolt for navigation, but I'm thinking of getting an ebike. Which Bosch display works best for navi? Does the kiox also work with Strava?
As far as I know, the only one that works for navigation is the Kiox. What I don’t know is whether this functionality will be improved with the new 2022 Kiox. I believe you can export rides from the Bosch ebike connect website to Strava.
The Nyon has it's own built in maps & navigation and connects with Kamoot via the Bosch web site too. I guess it connects with Strava, but not totally sure. The advantage of the Nyon over the Kiox is that you don't need to have a mobile phone in the mix. It will find it's own routes.
Man kann alle geplanten komoot Routen in die Bosch-App übertragen.Die App kümmert sich um die Navigation während man unterwegs ist und verbindet sich über Bluetooth mit dem kiox, um die Route anzuzeigen.
Not long upgraded from purion to this and I think its basic and dosent even work most of the time like today when I had a 25 miles wilderness route planned and had to abort as it simply wouldnt navigate. Also not very durable, the lugs on the bottom of my unit have broken and have to cable tie on for time being as would not allow bike to work of which is not ideal as I'm riding in Wales for a weekend away. A great video but I think this unit although much better for all bike metrics and data than the basic purion is reallly a big load of shit for naviagation in this day and age. Very poor Mr Bosch.
I gave up trying to navigate with this a long time ago. Instead, I just use Komoot on my phone, which I think is a great budget alternative to investing in something like a Garmin. The only thing I really like about the Kiox is that it shows you battery percentage, which helps my range anxiety no end 😉
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Yes I think it does a great job and a huge improvement over the standard purion displsy for all things bike related but I think it relies too much on a smartphone to navigate and when theres no internet on the go it dosent want to play. I'm going to try and mount the kiox on the top tube for more of a slick look and get a stem cap mount for my isg gps 630 unit which once you can persuade it to work it does a fine job! Bloody technology.....
Sorry if I haven't replied to your comment on this video. I have received some notifications, but have been unable to see the comments and therefore unable to respond.
Thank you to woudreus for suggesting taking a look at SchweizMobil app and to grzesfajny for suggesting openmtbmap.org. I will certainly check them both out 👍
Well done, this was what i was looking for!!! The only video I've seen that shows feature in real world.
Thank you. Glad to be of help.
Great review. I've just got my 1st eMTBon order & this functionality of navigation was music to my ears, so thanks so much
No worries Neil. Pleased to help. Thanks for commenting.
I've just bought an ebike with kiox display and I'm a komoot user anyway.. Really informative video thanks
No worries man. You’re more than welcome 👍
Very nice explanation! I got into komoot similarly and love it due to the detailed maps and the amount of people posting their ride recaps to find new trails and tours. Instead of mounting my phone directly to the handlebar, I went for a top frame bag with a plastic cover: the phone is well protected, can be plugged into my e-mtb's display to charge it for the constant screen use and I can operate the most basic functions through the plastic cover without taking off my mtb gloves...this does take some practice though. The bag even doubles as storage for my multi-tool and a tiny first aid kit.
The only thing I miss with this solution would be to have easier access to the phone for taking pictures during the ride...taking it out of the bag, unplugging it from the display and taking a photo is still a bit too much hassle. Your video gave me some other ideas, but I'll still need to think twice whether I want to shell out into a Kiox upgrade kit and replace the detailed komoot map for just the spaghetti line of the planned route. I'll likely look into trying other top frame bags first.
Thanks! The top tube bag sounds like a much better option. What gloves are you using? I've seen many gloves that claim to enable you to operate screens, but there seems to be quite a difference in how good they are at this.
I was really concerned about the spaghetti line as well, but it was much clearer than expected. I'm keen to see how it fairs later in the season when I'm using it much more.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland I'm using Shimano Long Gloves (www.velofactory.ch/Shimano-Long-Gloves-black-M). While they're not the most robust or warm gloves, thumb and index finger work well enough for panning or zooming while navigating the map. Getting a slightly smaller size than what you usually wear might also help.
@@Simon-ci1rk Good to know. I need some new gloves anyway. Thanks!
Great video, answered all my questions. Would you say everything still holds up in 2023 ? Or would you be looking for another solution ? I’m thinking of doing the same as you
To be honest, I've reverted to just using the voice directions in komoot on my phone. Overall it seems to be just about as accurate and requires one less step to transfer the GPS file to the Bosch app. Having once destroyed a phone by mounting it on my bars, the only upgrade I would consider from my current setup is to buy a dedicated GPS and mount it on the top tube
Oh no I’ve just ordered my Kiox, perhaps I should cancel ! I do like the fact that you get a power meter with the flow app as well as cadence etc, all handy if you are training, but perhaps gps would be significantly better would you say ?
@@JoeMurphysGuitarlessons A GPS would be better for navigating. But there is one feature on the kiox you don't get on a GPs that I could never give up: a battery percentage indicator! It makes managing the battery so much easier and removes all range anxiety.
Well with the kiox being hard wired into my e-bike, worrying about battery life would not be an issue. I’m guessing in conjunction with Komoot kiox should get me where I need to go, yes undoubtedly gps will offer more detail, but like I say it won’t tell me anything about power output cadence etc unless I start laying out for all the accessories needing to provide me with that data
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland use a dedicated enclosed case for your mobile. Otter box or similar.
Thanks mate, I was pulling hair out trying to find the routes on the bike connect app!! The bloody arrow - DOH!! And I ain't got much hair left!!!
You’re welcome. They could definitely have made a bit more obvious. I thought I was going mad for a while until I found it.
I was always out of these apps due to my lack of understanding, but have to say we used trail forks on the Longridge ride and it got us to the trails we were looking for 👍🏼
Glad komoot worked so well on your bike display, that is surely a winner 👍🏼⚡
The more time I spend searching for new trails, the more I have come to appreciate these apps. They are a saviour in unknown locations.
This is a good solution... We just plot a route and bang it onto the Garmin and we're off. The only issue is that it's a "bread crumb" route and doesn't re-calibrate when you have to detour. However... We have used it successfully to ride from Munich to Venice without any issues. Regarding your phone battery drain... It's the screen man. If the screen is off, you'll be good for ages... If you're not into buying something specific... This should be baller! ;D
Nice vid mate!!
Thanks man. There was me thinking that the Garmin was the be all and end all in gps navigation, but that is a significant gap in its capabilities.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland It's just the model I have (edge520 I think)... The better models do all kinds of fun stuff... But they cost more "beer groats"... :(
@@TwoGuysOneVan It always comes down to the pennies!!
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Too true... And mine does everything I need it to do. So I have nothing bad to say about it. :D
A very cool video, thanks for the good explanation and test. Thanks for sharing the video. keep it up buddy!
Thank you. Looking forward to seeing what your video from the ride looks like.
Thanks for video told me exactly what I needed
You’re welcome. Always happy to be of help!
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland I’ve been talking to Bosch about this and in five minutes you gave me the answer 🤷🏻♂️
Very good explanation and video!
Thank you.
Really interesting video. I was an early adopter to Komoot and they very kindly gave me world mapping as a thank you. I too find it works really well 99% of the time, rerouting is very quick. I've never really had any problems with stopping and looking as I just have the speaker on and put the phone in my bag or pocket and just follow it that way. If you go wrong it soon tells you off 🤣 only thing is on some videos you can hear her voice a little too much 🤣
Glad you liked it. We aim to please! I kept missing the voice directions due to trail noise and perhaps my poor hearing, so often ended up having to climb and/or hike-a-bike my way back onto the correct route - not a trivial undertaking in the mountains! For planning purposes though Komoot is excellent.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland I hear ya 👍. PS I never understood the hooha about trail forks either . Even in the Peak District which obviously has quite a few trails, virtually nothing comes up. Useless.
Thanks - very helpful.
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Brilliant video.. been looking for sommat like this to sort my kiox out.. cant wait to try it... ill let you know how I get on
Excellent. I hope it helps. If you’ve got any questions, just let me know.
Watching.. All the Best, Keep it up and Stay Safe..
Thanks. You stay safe too.
Is that the Orbea Wild FS ? I'm looking into that or a Cube stereo 140 ebike.
It is indeed a Wild FS. I would also recommend checking out the Focus Jam2. Damn good bike for the money.
Would like to see a more in depth video on setup
Thanks for commenting. I did think about making such a video, but to be honest it was so simple, I didn’t think it was worth it. I’ll keep it in mind though. Might be a project for this winter.
Great content. I just subscribed!!!
Awesome. Thank you!
JUST SUBSCRIBED DUDE!!!!EXXCELLENT!!!!
Thanks man.
Looking at getting a kiox but the nav is kinda putting me off for the cost I would think the nav would be better then just a line
It’s certainly never going to compete with something like a Garmin. Another issue I have recently discovered is that just because a trail is on komoot doesn’t mean it is on the Bosch app, which can lead to some very strange routing when the gps is imported.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Joseph here. In two days I'm scheduled to have my display updated from Purion to Kiox. Prefer Kiox because it can charge my iphone and the navigation with Komoot. Can you connect your phone to the Kiox while at the same time connect your phone to bone conducting bluetooth headphones? One last question--can you provide more detail on your comment that just because a trail is on Komoot doesn't mean it's on the Bosch app? I thought you had to download the trip from Komoot to the Kiox via the Bosch app. Do some routes fail to download??? Thank much for your video!
Hi Joseph. Unfortunately, I never use headphones while riding, so can't tell you whether or not you can connect to the Kiox at he same time.
In answer to your second question: When you plan a route in komoot, you need to transfer the route to the Bosch app. It is the Bosch app that takes care of all the navigation while you are on the move, communicating the directions to the Kiox as you go. The Kiox itself is just displaying the route information and not operating as a GPS.
I planned a route on komoot and then when I transferred it to the Bosch app, it automatically rerouted me because one of the trails wasn't on the Bosch map. There might be an option to preserve off-grid segments in the Bosch app, but I haven't had time to investigate yet.
Did the voice guidance also work?
I don’t use the Kiox anymore. The voice directions from komoot are pretty good and much less hassle.
Great video and helpful. Just to check though does it only work if you pre plan a route ? ie it doesn't look as though you can see a map / route without fixing a start and destination ?
Thank you! Yes, you need to plan a route in advance. The only thing you see on the display is your planned route.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Yes thought so...just thought I may have missed something.The Orbea looks good...it was my 1st choice but impossible to get in the UK last year. I went for a Whyte.Do you like it ?
I use komoot with voice navigation and wireless headphones, it works ok enough most of the time
Neat solution! Combine that with the display, and it could be the ultimate setup.
Hi, I have an question about your kiox holder, which brand is it? I've ordered a kiox to modernize my Haibike fatsix 9.0, but I don't really like the original holder, I know it's been over 3 years ago😂😂😂
No problem. It’s the original Orbea mount that came with the bike. It’s a pretty good solution that keeps the Kiox tucked away and out of danger. Much better than having sit up on top of the stem.
Great video as always. I've been a Trailfork user for quite a while but I agree with you on the poor mapping in most of Switzerland.
Quick question related to the trails you can ride a bike on. I've heard that in Canton ZH it is illegal to use the bike on a Wanderweg unless there's a sign that bikes are allowed (not sure if it's true or not though). Do you know anything about the legal aspect of going down a trail that might be pedestrians only? What are the signs riders should be aware when following the GPS?
Thanks for watching and commenting. As far as I know, it is allowed to ride on 'Wanderwege' in the Canton of Zurich, unless it explicitly states that it is forbidden (Fahrverbot). The important thing is to always give way to hikers and avoid times when there is a lot of foot traffic. In all the years I've been riding here, my encounters with hikers have been almost exclusively positive.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerlandGood to know! Thanks. Also, you should find a way to post the GPS coordinates of the cool trails you've been shredding. I'd be really interested in checking them out ;)
@@ale_fina If you check out my Komoot, you’ll find quite a few there. I’m trying to make a concerted effort to record more this year.
Have you ever been able to get a completed track on kamoot to transfer to the kiox
I’ve never actually tried. I’ve always planned routes on the computer or uploaded GPX files.
Hi! Does this integration carry over to the latest Koox 300?
Unfortunately, I don't know.I've switched to just using the voice navigation on Komoot. It's a simpler solution that is just as effective for my purposes.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland ok, thanks.
So basically is it running the route navigation on your mobile on Kamoot, then just displays on Kiox unit?
Something similar. It runs the navigation on your phone with the Bosch app and displays it on the Kiox. You can synchronize your Komoot with the Bosch app, which allows you to navigate komoot routes as well.
Great video very informative although I’m still a bit ‘old skool’ like you mentioned and mostly rely on looking at map before I set off, maybe stopping at certain points for quick check on Trailforks and then finding out where I exactly went after the ride on Strava 👍😂
Thanks fella. I've actually stopped using Strava. Because the trails I ride on are predominantly shared usage, I was concerned about the way it encourages people to try and compete for faster times and the potential for an access ending accident with a walker. The heat maps, however, are a super useful tool for finding the trails others are riding.
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland makes sense if you’re riding a lot of shared usage trails buddy 👍
I haven't got that aarow on the map in the bosch app to view saved routes 🤔 any suggestions?
The only time I can get the arrow to disappear is when I search for a destination. Otherwise, it's always there in the bottom left-hand corner of the map.
Great video 👍 when I try and do it as soon as I move my phone more than a foot away from the kiox it loses connection. Which is a nightmare as I keep my phone in my bag.
Thanks. That has happened to me once. Perhaps it is less of a problem because I keep my phone in a case on my ruck sack shoulder strap. Good to know - I can see how that would be seriously annoying.
Check phone battery setting, I had similar issues with my Samsung losing connection to Kiox, turned off battery saving mode and stays connected now
I love my wahoo Elemnt Bolt for navigation, but I'm thinking of getting an ebike. Which Bosch display works best for navi? Does the kiox also work with Strava?
As far as I know, the only one that works for navigation is the Kiox. What I don’t know is whether this functionality will be improved with the new 2022 Kiox. I believe you can export rides from the Bosch ebike connect website to Strava.
The Nyon has it's own built in maps & navigation and connects with Kamoot via the Bosch web site too. I guess it connects with Strava, but not totally sure. The advantage of the Nyon over the Kiox is that you don't need to have a mobile phone in the mix. It will find it's own routes.
@@johndent8813 Thanks for the input. Very useful to know.
Kann man indemfall alle touren aus komoot auf das kiox laden?
Man kann alle geplanten komoot Routen in die Bosch-App übertragen.Die App kümmert sich um die Navigation während man unterwegs ist und verbindet sich über Bluetooth mit dem kiox, um die Route anzuzeigen.
Not long upgraded from purion to this and I think its basic and dosent even work most of the time like today when I had a 25 miles wilderness route planned and had to abort as it simply wouldnt navigate. Also not very durable, the lugs on the bottom of my unit have broken and have to cable tie on for time being as would not allow bike to work of which is not ideal as I'm riding in Wales for a weekend away. A great video but I think this unit although much better for all bike metrics and data than the basic purion is reallly a big load of shit for naviagation in this day and age. Very poor Mr Bosch.
I gave up trying to navigate with this a long time ago. Instead, I just use Komoot on my phone, which I think is a great budget alternative to investing in something like a Garmin. The only thing I really like about the Kiox is that it shows you battery percentage, which helps my range anxiety no end 😉
@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Yes I think it does a great job and a huge improvement over the standard purion displsy for all things bike related but I think it relies too much on a smartphone to navigate and when theres no internet on the go it dosent want to play. I'm going to try and mount the kiox on the top tube for more of a slick look and get a stem cap mount for my isg gps 630 unit which once you can persuade it to work it does a fine job! Bloody technology.....