No!! It's not Thursday 🤣 This episode is a bonus video and part of our MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND Series designed to give those wanting to start a new life in New Zealand extra insight. If you are a TEACHER and are hoping to get a teaching job in NEW ZEALAND then we think that you will LOVE meeting Joanne, a teacher from the USA. Enjoy and don't forget to SHARE this video with someone who will get as much value from it as you 🤗 🇳🇿
Thank you so much for adding this level of value to my life! So indescribably relevant and helpful! I’m so grateful for this opportunity to learn and frankly, confirm immigrating to New Zealand is hands down the best choice our family can make- personally and professionally! 🥰💕🥰
When our kids started school in NZ, a senior student was assigned to each child with the responsibility to navigate them through the system, (collect them at play and return them after make sure they got to class and collected after school )obviously more intense for the first few days but as a mentor for their first year. This gave the newby a big friend and gave the senior student some responsibility. They also had a lot of conflict resolution training from day 1, and that has helped them with life issues.
Brilliant idea - like a buddy system I'm guessing. It helps both the little one and gives the older one some responsibility. Thanks for watching Denise ☺️
Liz, you said it already but I will say it again; I think we are lucky to have a teacher as dedicated, qualified and just plain nice as Jo here in NZ. My kids have grown up now so I began watching this with lukewarm interest but I ended up being fascinated. Children of all different ages playing together learn to negotiate, collaborate and compromise. One other thing I will add to how the typical day might work; at the school my children attended (and I think this is typical now), students were expect to often make speeches in front of their peers and occasionally at assembly in front of the entire school. So they learned at an early age the skill of public speaking. Great discussion, Thanks to you both.
Also just to add, while most kids start school at 5 in NZ, you have until age 6 before school becomes compulsory. If you feel your child isn't ready/ mature enough at 5 you can just keep them in Kindy (preschool) until they are closer to 6
Another super informative video! I am not a teacher, but as a parent of young children hoping to move to NZ this year from the States, I found this all so very useful! I like hearing from people living in the greater Auckland area especially, because I feel like most of the videos/podcasts/blogs I see about NZ life are by people living in other areas of the country. Thank you so much Jo and Liz!
Hi Liz, this video really uplifted my sinking spirit. I am currently waiting for the result of my Teaching Registration and also I'm living here in New Plymouth Central. Being an overseas teacher, I could relate to Jo. This podcast gives me an overview of what else am I supposed to know about teaching in New Zealand. Salamat (Thank you!)
You are so welcome! Thank you for such a lovely comment, I’m glad that Jo could help you feel a little more uplifted. Stay strong my friend and thank you for all that you do ❤️
I’m so grateful and excited for this interview! Can I mention how utterly THRILLED I am to meet a fellow educator who is whole child centered, understands that while all education is special, those with learning differences are also gifted and talented as we all are, we just have different strengths and some skill sets can be developed and others we can adapt and work through together! I was fist pumping and shouting “YESSSS!!”while you were speaking! 🥰😂🔥We’re heading to NZ from Illinois. I’m a dual certified teacher here state side, special education (PK-21) w my endorsement Learning Behavioral Specialist 1-and additionally my certification in self contained general education- grades K-12. I have my middle school and high school endorsements in English Language Arts, Reading Specialist and Interventionist, Social Sciences, Science, and Literature. I graduated from University with my Bachelors of Science in Education. I have my Associates in Elementary Education, and my Bachelors of Science in Education. I’m learning and researching about how to revamp my resume, and I’ve read printed highlighted and post it noted the guidelines of how to achieve the NZQA Qualifications- lifelong learning in practice, my sister! Trying to determine if I should also be getting a tax number as well, how to get a phone number that’s “local” from the states, substitute/relief teacher positions, etc. WHEW! I’m so excited for you! What a beautiful Christmas present! My son is 7, 12/30/2014, and the NZ process would have been a beautiful start for him. He had prekindergarten experience and he was so lost in the states first grade, kindergarten was postponed due to COVID. Implemented a lot of play based structure and a Montessori approach at home. It seems like NZ and ‘Common Core’ are similar in philosophy and similar pros and cons! It’s also a beautiful concept of collaboration in NZ-the Pinterest one upping is horrendous in the states! Sounds as if It’s a large bit like being a first year teacher all over-except you’ve got support from fellow educators AND families! Homework in the states is a losing battle- if homework is practice and children are without support, or unsure and practice skills “incorrectly”, then, you see the downward spiral…definitely not a research based practice! This is an excellent and outstanding explanation of how school works in NZ! Deciles and zoning were explained phenomenally. As someone who has taught in ‘at promise school districts’, it seems as though NZ has again, set the bar high! I’m gobsmacked at the start times and the opportunity to be outside! FINALLY! I am so amazed and again, THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCES AND KNOWLEDGE! I’m so grateful and excited to start this journey!
I’m so glad to hear that there’s less of a push on homework. The US schools have created an overworked and over scheduled lifestyle for kids. It has an incredible negative affect of families and on the mental health of the children. I wish the US would start to put more value on family time and down time.
This was a really interesting chat with Jo! Teachers do such amazing work in what must be an extremely challenging job most of the time. My now 26 year old son is dyslexic and struggled through primary school until in his last year his teacher realised that he was having difficulties so he went for an assessment which showed Dyslexia and a few information processing issues. He had some amazing teachers at High School who gave him a lot of help although one teacher said she didn't believe in Dyslexia. He went through the Davis dyslexia program which worked well for him. I believe there should be so many more resources available to schools and teachers to help children with learning issues.
I think it would be helpful to those who are looking to move here to learn more about how Maori and Maori culture are an integral part of the school curriculum and that it is centred on these cultural aspects. Jo touched on wellbeing but it actually encompasses more than that.
I think Maori/Te Reo taught in schools is dependent on the area/suburb. I am half Maori and half Polynesian and I lived and went to high school in a predominantly white/pakeha & Asian area (East Auckland) and in the 90's the Maori culture wasn't really valued at my secondary school, there was more of a focus on other cultures/subjects for instance they taught German, French & Mandarin from 3rd form to 7th form and Te Reo(Maori) was only for 3rd form. I don't know if this has changed since then but I know the area demographics hasn't changed much.
As a dyslexic and bipolar person, back in the 60s I was taught by the wooden ruler and the strap plus the cane in collage, it taught me to get labouring jobs and to serve in the army, but only do as you were told to do only, strangely enough in my life I had to train younger men whom struggle with life's skills because the school's didn't work. Sadly enough I have two grand neice whom totally failed at all schools and one took her own life at 17. The other ended up as a meth addiction, I have seen so many failed young people from the school here in Taupo, thankfully my tablet does all of my spelling so able to communicate for the first time in 55 year's,
Hi Jen, I always enjoyed your TH-cam vids and found them interesting to see how people from overseas found things to adjust to in NZ. Thanks for your efforts, I wish you and your family well. Cheers
Don't underestimate how much time it takes to create all of your own resources, to attempt to match the interests and context of your learners. Nz teaching is hard work!!
Very interesting interview,schooling has changed so much since I was a nipper. Both Jo and Ryan are fantastic additions to the NZ community, but I do wonder how you keep coming up with perfect people to interview!
Teachers are paid an 8 hour day and sure they can and often do work longer hours. There is never any intention that they finish at 3 p.m. Term breaks are also seen as working time apart from their annual leave .
This is probably one of the more informative videos for the NZ educational system, keep up the quality content, it's great @Brian Everton, Everton, Everton :P
I thoroughly enjoyed that interview, so much I wanted to hear more, can't believe it went so quickly, you'll have to do another interview Liz 😁 When the bell goes, the kid's go go go 🤸🏽♀️ 🏃🏾♀️ 🤾🏾♀️ 🤼 🧗 Eating lunch outdoors and playing on the fields "Jo talking about that made me realize how lucky our tamariki are to be able to be free to go and get grass stains on their skin and clothing, run of the food, get mud between their toes 😂 We need more teacher's like Jo who also has a heart to go with it, our special tamariki need more Jo's 👍🏽 Thank you Liz and Thank you Jo ✌🏽😁👍🏽
To Jo, "Kia Ora" & "Whānau" you're awesome. Actually NZ children are allowed to start school between the ages of 4 yrs - 6 yrs, but 5yr is the normal starting age. NZ had schools that catered for children with challenges [learning, intellectual, physical, behavioural] and I know at Katuhia School the teachers were highly educated, all of them had a dip in psychology and bachelor in teaching, unfortunately the govt of the time decided to shut those schools and integrate the children into main stream schools. Awesome vid thank you to both of you from Tairawhiti, East Coast.
Proud to say I started kindy at 5 in 1981. Attended schooling right throught to 7th form. Loved all my teachers, my friends and the learning. There will never be another time like it. 1992 was my final schooling education. What a blast!
@ItsaDrama You're welcome. These words need to be said so everyone knows clearly we have a new fantastic teacher in our team, in our land❤️ I live in Oz but it's still and always will be my land So..... G'day Liz N Bri ....Ow ya goin😁 Still working hard az we do I still watch every episode U remind me of home and i get all melancholy and all that sort of stuff You're sooo Kiwi😊 I miss home everyday Aroha 2 U Liz Aroha 2 U Brian And of course 2 the rest of your Whanau Kia kaha💜
I remember when I went in as a volunteer for the school trip with my little girl, I was asked to supervise my girl and 2 other. At the end of the trip I actually growled the teacher because she had given me two children with special needs and she never warned me. Probably because I was the only male, but I found out the hard way with the two of them...lol Luckily I had identified it quickly but boy I had my work cut out for me that day. Junk food helped.👍
I hear your love and ambitions for your daughter. Your community service is the way to go. sit back, chill (tauhou ?) she has a long journey in front of her. but be warned when they (daughters) get older they gang up on you.
Yes the level of bureacracy in New Zealand is very high, not just in teaching, but in everything. After completing year one in New Zealand, the school had me and a couple of other kids in my class skip year 2, and go straight to year 3.
I'm over 40yrs but I was born at the start of December so my fist "year" of school was actually only 2 weeks long before I progressed to second year but I had been taught to read and write before going to school so it was okay.
i like the reference to collaboration .. as an ex primary teacher I really valued the ability to access the strengths of fellow teachers. Most of the schools I taught at had two classes at the same level and I and the other teacher tended to plan lessons to our strengths and then pass the lesson plan across. No point in both of us planning the same content. If the classrooms were close together we would come together for some lessons (like music) and halve the work load. One of the schools I was at encouraged a common pool of plans that had turned out to be really successful lessons (filed in the school office). On a different note - with the long summer break we were paid a lump sum for the balance of the school year at the start of the summer break (don't know if this still a thing). You had to learn that spending up big while you felt rich in December had financial repercussions in late January.
I loved this podcast very helpful. Loved the discussion. We might move to Auckland. I am wondering if she still works at that school. My son is in spectrum, it is little scary for me as they do not have enough funding for kids in spectrum. Please let me know if anyone knows better about that.
Fantastic video, Liz! As someone looking to perhaps move to NZ to teach (secondary, science), I’d be anxious to hear of the differences in schools and students in secondary schools.
This was amazing, why did you let her go ? I could listen to you both for at least another 2 hours! Very informative and I learnt so many things about our school system.
@@ItsaDrama I keep looking at the shots of the maunga when you film outside and trying to figure out where on the coast you are. Presumably round Ōakura. My family are in New Plymouth and Ōpunakē so travel SH45 often. I enjoy your content.
Hi Liz, I have a question for Jo, if you wouldn’t mind asking her. I’ve heard people say there is more of a “teasing” culture in NZ children. I wonder if Jo has noticed a difference in teasing and/or bullying norms between the States and where she teaches in the Auckland area?
I would like to know this, too. Bullying is a huge issue in the states. Is discipline a large issue there? It is one of the top five issues for teachers leaving the classroom in the states. 55% of teachers are leaving the profession nationwide. There is a lack of respect, and while I love teaching and my students and parents, the lack of respect is an issue that has to be managed. Usually, I can handle that through good classroom routines and communication with parents, but it is an issue overall. I would also like to know about violence (which I think many people mentioned in the comments as a non-issue). It seems idyllic not to have active shooter drills or lock-downs. Thanks for such a wonderful conversation!
@@leahmarieezra877 NZ isn't perfect, but when you weigh up work life balance for adults and children as well, quality of life, safety and health... it really is amazing for families, children and adults, and that means most teachers too. Teacher shortage here, nudge nudge.
What lovely people! This video has no direct relevance to me but just watching these ladies is enough to cheer me up! Re: Covid and parental access - make sure it comes back and it doesn't get taken away for ever. It's symbolic - if it's there, the parents are still being acknowledged as the people responsible for the children (and not a nuisance out-of school minder supplementary to the main process of state/elite indoctrination), and the teachers are "in loco parentis". If you have a good relationship, society is functioning more correctly and in partnership.
i went to murrys bay primary, then mairangi bay intimedite, then i went to that fancy 3rd tere school ":kristin" in albany auckland....then i went to st pauls collegiate in waikato before i went to the CIA in hyde park NY
There is supervion and teachers on duty for help if needed but generally the kids just get on with it. Glad your a teacher in NZ Jo keep up the good work 👍😃
:) :) I generally LISTEN to (rather than watch, per sè) because of my .... environment and I do tend to "listen" to quite a few of your videos, but, again, because of my environment, I cannot comment, usually! What happens is EweChube sorta automatically queues up clips for me, so I didn't click on this, as such, but kinda drifted in here, but I thoroughly enjoyed it (as I have ALL your clips), despite its irrelevance to me - I'm and Aussie, all my kids are long grown etc etc! I gotta say that you, Liz, must have been vaccinated with a gramophone needle at birth.... in ALL your clips! You are so effervescent and enthusiastic! :) Anyway, thank you to BOTH you ladies for this content. It was interesting and entertaining and, although this is very politically uncorrect (yeah - I know that's NOT how it's spelt), when I stopped I realised that not only do you sound wonderful, and speak so well, you are also easy on the optics!!!!!!!! :) Hahahahaha Great stuff!
Love it!! Thank you so much for this fabulous comment! I don't mind if you listen or watch, I just grateful to have you with us! Have a great week 😁 Sending love to Oz! 🇦🇺
Nz way lady. We do it our way. It doesn't matter if you a qualified teacher or you teach for say, 9, 10years. You have to qualify the nz way. Alot of Indian, Asian and other people all over the world are qualified Dr, but they drive busses here, taxi, forkhoist you name it.
yes, the much desired "NZ experience" - I'm an NZer who taught English overseas for 6 years, and when I returned to NZ I still got interviewers saying "oh, you'll have to retrain" or "Oh, you don't have any NZ experience, we do things differently here" "or oh, you can speak a foreign language, we don't need that here" - I hate to think how much worse it would be for a non NZer looking for work here.
Hi Liz. Another great video. Would love to know about teacher remuneration in NZ, compared to the USA 🇺🇸. Are her and Ryan able to make ends meet in Auckland. Also, school safety for students and teaching staff. I remember watching your video, with Ryan, would like to know how they have settled into Auckland, have they made good friends, and how it compares to where they were from in the USA and if they intend to leave NZ and return to the USA 🇺🇸
Thank you for your lovely feedback and these are great questions! Ryan may hop on and answer your questions but from what i can see when I speak to Ryan in our group he and his family are very happy in NZ and don't have any plans to leave any time soon 🥰 (I hope not that's for sure!) Thank you again for watching, really glad that it was helpful! ☺️
Most teachers in NZ are in a union (there is one union for primary, and one for secondary) and they have a collective agreement and payscale. So you start at the bottom of the scale as a first year teacher and move up the scale each year. If you take on additional responsibilities (like being Head of Department in a high school) you can get extra money added to your salary for it. You are paid by central government rather than by the school, so if a school wants to hire a more experienced teacher they can do without worrying their salary is going to be too expensive. Salary increases are not tied to test scores. You get paid during the school holidays too.
Safety is not the issue it is overseas, things are harder than when my daughter was at high-school, but weapons at school are almost entirely unheard of, our gun laws mean we are not a gun carrying society, just recent I heard of a student being stabbed after school outside school grounds...really really unheard of. children still walk or bike to and from school in many areas, perhaps with friends but no accompanying adults
Joann makes more money here than she ever did in the US. If you are in large areas of the US you may make more but as a whole it is better in NZ. You should actually be able to find pay scales here as they are posted somewhere. (I'll try to remember where it is.)
@@annaf4720 It has been a while since I taught primary - but in my day being willing to take on student teachers for their classroom experience you got an allowance for that as well.
growing up as a young fulla back in the mid sixties , we never had any homework # 1 reason is most of us had chores to do after school ,,,, we were given any number of excuses why chores should be done before any blo,,y homework,,,,hahaha
Same as us in England James (born 1963 and 1971) 🤣 'Homework you say?? Not before you've been down the lane and got us some wood for the fire..'.😆 Thanks for watching!
I found the Montessori system to be racist if im being honest. This was my experience taking my daughter here, I am Māori and felt discriminated against. I don't recommend at all and felt more welcomed at the Total Immersion Māori school that I enrolled her in.
The curriculum flexibility is what put me off becoming a teacher. It works fine if you are teaching English or art, but is terrible for maths and science. And for the first 2 years you are required to come up with your own lesson plans. There are only so many ways to teach algebra. P.s. Getting sent to school the day after my 5th birthday really sucked. All of my friends were still at play centre.
We had already moved here when she got her job. Once she got her credentials, it didn't take very long as the jobs are all listed together. It mostly depends on where you want to live/work.
Melissa Botha is a young South African mum who immigrated to New Zealand. Melissa also has a TH-cam video about becoming a teacher in New Zealand too Funnily enough ( l could be mistaken) but l believe her and family reside in the gulf Harbour region too.
Great interview with Jo. Very informative. th-cam.com/video/tSffc2iI2PM/w-d-xo.html This is the link to Melissa Bothas video on becoming a teacher if you move to New Zealand. Cheers. Have a nice day.
th-cam.com/video/DsnmZxcqjjg/w-d-xo.html This is another link to a TH-cam video about moving to and teaching in New Zealand that Melissa Botha uploaded about 2 years ago. The first link is more recent and was uploaded about 7 months ago. Again...cheers! Have a nice day
Kia ora is best pronounced 'key order' key is spoken quickly, do not pronounce the 'r' at the en d of order, and you will never get it wrong, the 'a' is silenced mostly anyways so your all good. Also you just learnt to roll your 'r'. Back in the 2000s there was an increase of IQ levels, where kdis were actually skipping a year like going from year 10 to year 11 because they were intellectual enough to go in to year 11 instead of 10
You missed asking the elephant in the room question: How do we get more men in teaching to even out the massive overwhelming imbalance of nearly only women teachers in schools, especially primary schools. Is the same imbalance in the USA? If not why not? How can we get more men teaching in schools? Cannot be good for young boys and possibly girls too to only have a woman teacher throughout their school life. Not implying the teachers aren’t good but having one sex teaching is not setting a child up for real life and how society works in general.
This has been an issue for years in primary schools - generally men do not see themselves as mentors for younger children. College or university positions are more Macho. That said I totally enjoyed my years as a male primary school teacher ... and yes the kids do need both male and female viewpoints through their formative years.
@@maltnz Thanks for your reply, I think maybe the Ellis trial a few years ago has had a detrimental effect of getting men involved with early childhood education. Getting a man accused of heinous and possibly ridiculous crimes is not conducive to recruiting men. A sad situation really. No one wants to be put in that situation. How do they deal with it in other countries? Maybe we can learn something there.
It is the same in the US. For us, it was a way for states to cut education funding (in the late 1800s and early 1900s) since women were paid much less than men. Sadly, teacher pay remains low. Many people mentioned this as part of the #Me Too movement. Certain occupations have consistently low wages and a higher percentage of female teachers.
ermmm I can't comment!... don't have kids so can't comment on the current schooling... and I am not a teacher... I do think they should be paid a bit more than they do...
I don't think there should be School Boards. Too much small mindedness , egos and odd ideas about education, that can really hinder kids with ADHD, and learning problems. They aren't professionals in the field.
I'm from NZ and I have to say that theres lots of fights going on in New Zealand high schools but it's mostly Maori kids that does the fight. If a school has very less Maori people then fights are very unlikely to happen
No!! It's not Thursday 🤣 This episode is a bonus video and part of our MOVING TO NEW ZEALAND Series designed to give those wanting to start a new life in New Zealand extra insight.
If you are a TEACHER and are hoping to get a teaching job in NEW ZEALAND then we think that you will LOVE meeting Joanne, a teacher from the USA.
Enjoy and don't forget to SHARE this video with someone who will get as much value from it as you 🤗 🇳🇿
Sooo ... a sunday treat? **grabs cuppa** Cheers.
Thank you so much for adding this level of value to my life! So indescribably relevant and helpful! I’m so grateful for this opportunity to learn and frankly, confirm immigrating to New Zealand is hands down the best choice our family can make- personally and professionally! 🥰💕🥰
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When our kids started school in NZ, a senior student was assigned to each child with the responsibility to navigate them through the system, (collect them at play and return them after make sure they got to class and collected after school )obviously more intense for the first few days but as a mentor for their first year. This gave the newby a big friend and gave the senior student some responsibility. They also had a lot of conflict resolution training from day 1, and that has helped them with life issues.
Same at my daughter's school Denise. It is a wonderful system.
Brilliant idea - like a buddy system I'm guessing. It helps both the little one and gives the older one some responsibility. Thanks for watching Denise ☺️
This is so beautiful. Things like this is the reason I want my boy to grow up in New Zealand
This happens in Australia too.
Liz, you said it already but I will say it again; I think we are lucky to have a teacher as dedicated, qualified and just plain nice as Jo here in NZ.
My kids have grown up now so I began watching this with lukewarm interest but I ended up being fascinated.
Children of all different ages playing together learn to negotiate, collaborate and compromise.
One other thing I will add to how the typical day might work; at the school my children attended (and I think this is typical now), students were expect to often make speeches in front of their peers and occasionally at assembly in front of the entire school.
So they learned at an early age the skill of public speaking.
Great discussion, Thanks to you both.
Thank you so much Ged, I appreciate your lovely feedback and I'm so glad that you stayed to watch the show! Have a fabulous weekend ☺️ Liz
Also just to add, while most kids start school at 5 in NZ, you have until age 6 before school becomes compulsory. If you feel your child isn't ready/ mature enough at 5 you can just keep them in Kindy (preschool) until they are closer to 6
Oh my god, Jo is amazing and a true asset to New Zealand.
Isn't she?! She's just wonderful 🥰
Another super informative video! I am not a teacher, but as a parent of young children hoping to move to NZ this year from the States, I found this all so very useful! I like hearing from people living in the greater Auckland area especially, because I feel like most of the videos/podcasts/blogs I see about NZ life are by people living in other areas of the country. Thank you so much Jo and Liz!
Glad it was helpful Bobbie! Thank you so much for taking the time to leave such a lovely comment 😁
Starting at 5 is optional, it’s just preferred because the kids themselves usually are very excited to be starting.
Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to say hi! We really appreciate you being here with us. ☺️
Hi Liz, this video really uplifted my sinking spirit. I am currently waiting for the result of my Teaching Registration and also I'm living here in New Plymouth Central. Being an overseas teacher, I could relate to Jo. This podcast gives me an overview of what else am I supposed to know about teaching in New Zealand. Salamat (Thank you!)
You are so welcome! Thank you for such a lovely comment, I’m glad that Jo could help you feel a little more uplifted. Stay strong my friend and thank you for all that you do ❤️
I’m so grateful and excited for this interview! Can I mention how utterly THRILLED I am to meet a fellow educator who is whole child centered, understands that while all education is special, those with learning differences are also gifted and talented as we all are, we just have different strengths and some skill sets can be developed and others we can adapt and work through together! I was fist pumping and shouting “YESSSS!!”while you were speaking! 🥰😂🔥We’re heading to NZ from Illinois. I’m a dual certified teacher here state side, special education (PK-21) w my endorsement Learning Behavioral Specialist 1-and additionally my certification in self contained general education- grades K-12. I have my middle school and high school endorsements in English Language Arts, Reading Specialist and Interventionist, Social Sciences, Science, and Literature. I graduated from University with my Bachelors of Science in Education. I have my Associates in Elementary Education, and my Bachelors of Science in Education. I’m learning and researching about how to revamp my resume, and I’ve read printed highlighted and post it noted the guidelines of how to achieve the NZQA Qualifications- lifelong learning in practice, my sister! Trying to determine if I should also be getting a tax number as well, how to get a phone number that’s “local” from the states, substitute/relief teacher positions, etc. WHEW! I’m so excited for you! What a beautiful Christmas present! My son is 7, 12/30/2014, and the NZ process would have been a beautiful start for him. He had prekindergarten experience and he was so lost in the states first grade, kindergarten was postponed due to COVID. Implemented a lot of play based structure and a Montessori approach at home. It seems like NZ and ‘Common Core’ are similar in philosophy and similar pros and cons! It’s also a beautiful concept of collaboration in NZ-the Pinterest one upping is horrendous in the states!
Sounds as if It’s a large bit like being a first year teacher all over-except you’ve got support from fellow educators AND families!
Homework in the states is a losing battle- if homework is practice and children are without support, or unsure and practice skills “incorrectly”, then, you see the downward spiral…definitely not a research based practice!
This is an excellent and outstanding explanation of how school works in NZ! Deciles and zoning were explained phenomenally.
As someone who has taught in ‘at promise school districts’, it seems as though NZ has again, set the bar high! I’m gobsmacked at the start times and the opportunity to be outside! FINALLY! I am so amazed and again,
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCES AND KNOWLEDGE!
I’m so grateful and excited to start this journey!
Thank you so much for this wonderful comment Sarah! Good luck with your journey! 😁
I’m so glad to hear that there’s less of a push on homework. The US schools have created an overworked and over scheduled lifestyle for kids. It has an incredible negative affect of families and on the mental health of the children. I wish the US would start to put more value on family time and down time.
Agreed Nicole! Thank you for watching and for taking the time to say hi Have a great week ☺️.
You do really good interviews and have great guests as well, informative and fun....great work, well done!
Thank you! 😊
This was a really interesting chat with Jo! Teachers do such amazing work in what must be an extremely challenging job most of the time. My now 26 year old son is dyslexic and struggled through primary school until in his last year his teacher realised that he was having difficulties so he went for an assessment which showed Dyslexia and a few information processing issues. He had some amazing teachers at High School who gave him a lot of help although one teacher said she didn't believe in Dyslexia.
He went through the Davis dyslexia program which worked well for him. I believe there should be so many more resources available to schools and teachers to help children with learning issues.
So glad that you enjoyed it Susan! ☺️
I think it would be helpful to those who are looking to move here to learn more about how Maori and Maori culture are an integral part of the school curriculum and that it is centred on these cultural aspects. Jo touched on wellbeing but it actually encompasses more than that.
Great point D, thank you. ☺️
I think Maori/Te Reo taught in schools is dependent on the area/suburb. I am half Maori and half Polynesian and I lived and went to high school in a predominantly white/pakeha & Asian area (East Auckland) and in the 90's the Maori culture wasn't really valued at my secondary school, there was more of a focus on other cultures/subjects for instance they taught German, French & Mandarin from 3rd form to 7th form and Te Reo(Maori) was only for 3rd form. I don't know if this has changed since then but I know the area demographics hasn't changed much.
As a dyslexic and bipolar person, back in the 60s I was taught by the wooden ruler and the strap plus the cane in collage, it taught me to get labouring jobs and to serve in the army, but only do as you were told to do only, strangely enough in my life I had to train younger men whom struggle with life's skills because the school's didn't work. Sadly enough I have two grand neice whom totally failed at all schools and one took her own life at 17. The other ended up as a meth addiction, I have seen so many failed young people from the school here in Taupo, thankfully my tablet does all of my spelling so able to communicate for the first time in 55 year's,
Thank you for this very personal and moving comment Warren. We appreciate you being here with us. ❤️
So much super helpful info for teachers and for parents of school-aged kids! THANK YOU to Jo and to you, Liz, for this amazing episode!
You are so welcome Jen, and thank you for sharing on your Facebook page, I appreciate you helping to spread Jo's wisdom and experience 🥰 Liz x
Hi Jen, I always enjoyed your TH-cam vids and found them interesting to see how people from overseas found things to adjust to in NZ. Thanks for your efforts, I wish you and your family well. Cheers
@@runforrestrun1965 Thank you for your kind words.
Don't underestimate how much time it takes to create all of your own resources, to attempt to match the interests and context of your learners. Nz teaching is hard work!!
Gulf Harbour and the whole Whangaparoa Peninsular is a beautiful
Place to live.
So so interesting! Thank you so much for the perspective you Have given as a future teacher NZ as well as a mommy!
You are so welcome! We are glad that you enjoyed it Liezl 😁
No mention of the work of the Parent Teacher Associations - a very valuable resource for many schools and a way for parents to get involved.
Marvellous _ I just wish that Jo was my teacher 60 odd years ago !!
Very interesting interview,schooling has changed so much since I was a nipper. Both Jo and Ryan are fantastic additions to the NZ community, but I do wonder how you keep coming up with perfect people to interview!
Haha! I search them out and them bribe them with sweets and stuff...🤣 x
As parents of a 2 year old girl who plan on moving to NZ hopefully by 2024, this video was very insightful, thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful Ben! Good luck with your adventures! 😁
How is the plan coming along? 2024 is next year, still on schedule?
Just to clarify some ECE have a be school ready programme and can have set eating times along with things like mat time
Teachers are paid an 8 hour day and sure they can and often do work longer hours. There is never any intention that they finish at 3 p.m. Term breaks are also seen as working time apart from their annual leave .
They are paid a salary. That's different to an 8 hour day.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts Mary, we appreciate you being with us ☺️
Teachers work longer hours than that
This is probably one of the more informative videos for the NZ educational system, keep up the quality content, it's great
@Brian Everton, Everton, Everton :P
Much appreciated! 😁
PS: please...don't wind him up...it's me that has to suffer...🤣
@@ItsaDrama rofl, you have my sympathy
couch is always an option?
I'm not a teacher or a New Zealander but I really enjoyed this 🙂.
Thank you Tom! Glad that you enjoyed the episode 😊
I thoroughly enjoyed that interview, so much I wanted to hear more, can't believe it went so quickly, you'll have to do another interview Liz 😁
When the bell goes, the kid's go go go 🤸🏽♀️ 🏃🏾♀️ 🤾🏾♀️ 🤼 🧗
Eating lunch outdoors and playing on the fields "Jo talking about that made me realize how lucky our tamariki are to be able to be free to go and get grass stains on their skin and clothing, run of the food, get mud between their toes 😂
We need more teacher's like Jo who also has a heart to go with it, our special tamariki need more Jo's 👍🏽
Thank you Liz and Thank you Jo
✌🏽😁👍🏽
And thank YOU Meg for this beautiful comment. You make it worth all the effort ❤️
To Jo, "Kia Ora" & "Whānau" you're awesome. Actually NZ children are allowed to start school between the ages of 4 yrs - 6 yrs, but 5yr is the normal starting age. NZ had schools that catered for children with challenges [learning, intellectual, physical, behavioural] and I know at Katuhia School the teachers were highly educated, all of them had a dip in psychology and bachelor in teaching, unfortunately the govt of the time decided to shut those schools and integrate the children into main stream schools. Awesome vid thank you to both of you from Tairawhiti, East Coast.
Tēnā koe for this lovely comment Maraea, it means a lot to us. Sending love to the East Coast! ☺️
@@ItsaDrama thank you 😊
Proud to say I started kindy at 5 in 1981. Attended schooling right throught to 7th form. Loved all my teachers, my friends and the learning. There will never be another time like it. 1992 was my final schooling education. What a blast!
Thanks for sharing! This is wonderful!
She seems to be caring intelligent and humourous
It would be a privilege for us to have her teach our tamariki
I wish her and her Whanau Aroha❤
Thank you. You are spot on...Jo, is very lovely and kind. Thank you for your kind words 🥰
@ItsaDrama You're welcome.
These words need to be said so everyone knows clearly we have a new fantastic teacher in our team, in our land❤️
I live in Oz but it's still and always will be my land
So.....
G'day Liz N Bri ....Ow ya goin😁
Still working hard az we do
I still watch every episode
U remind me of home and i get all melancholy and all that sort of stuff
You're sooo Kiwi😊
I miss home everyday
Aroha 2 U Liz
Aroha 2 U Brian
And of course 2 the rest of your Whanau
Kia kaha💜
As a kiwi living abroad I really enjoyed this video love you guys and hope Kiwis know how lucky they are,❤️
Thank you so much Mike, we appreciate your kind words ☺️
I remember when I went in as a volunteer for the school trip with my little girl, I was asked to supervise my girl and 2 other. At the end of the trip I actually growled the teacher because she had given me two children with special needs and she never warned me. Probably because I was the only male, but I found out the hard way with the two of them...lol Luckily I had identified it quickly but boy I had my work cut out for me that day. Junk food helped.👍
Thank you for watching and for taking the time to say hi ☺️
I hear your love and ambitions for your daughter. Your community service is the way to go. sit back, chill (tauhou ?) she has a long journey in front of her. but be warned when they (daughters) get older they gang up on you.
Yes the level of bureacracy in New Zealand is very high, not just in teaching, but in everything. After completing year one in New Zealand, the school had me and a couple of other kids in my class skip year 2, and go straight to year 3.
I'm over 40yrs but I was born at the start of December so my fist "year" of school was actually only 2 weeks long before I progressed to second year but I had been taught to read and write before going to school so it was okay.
Thank you for watching and for taking the time to leave this comment, we appreciate it! ☺️
i like the reference to collaboration .. as an ex primary teacher I really valued the ability to access the strengths of fellow teachers.
Most of the schools I taught at had two classes at the same level and I and the other teacher tended to plan lessons to our strengths and then pass the lesson plan across. No point in both of us planning the same content.
If the classrooms were close together we would come together for some lessons (like music) and halve the work load.
One of the schools I was at encouraged a common pool of plans that had turned out to be really successful lessons (filed in the school office).
On a different note - with the long summer break we were paid a lump sum for the balance of the school year at the start of the summer break (don't know if this still a thing). You had to learn that spending up big while you felt rich in December had financial repercussions in late January.
Great comment! Thank you so much for watching and for sharing your experiences ☺️
Having the 'modern learning environments' (pods of classes) means planning for missing staff during the Omicron spread gets a tad complex.
In secondary, you commonly have to do everything yourself
I loved this podcast very helpful. Loved the discussion. We might move to Auckland. I am wondering if she still works at that school. My son is in spectrum, it is little scary for me as they do not have enough funding for kids in spectrum. Please let me know if anyone knows better about that.
Fantastic video, Liz! As someone looking to perhaps move to NZ to teach (secondary, science), I’d be anxious to hear of the differences in schools and students in secondary schools.
That's a great idea! We will keep you posted Warren! Have a great day 😁
I'm about to graduate with my bachelor's in secondary ed. history and I'm already dreaming of New Zealand!
Good luck!
Study up on New Zealand history as this is big incentive at the moment.
I'd be interested in a secondary school interview, too.
What a show born an bred here in NZ my mum is from here she teach for 60 years plus is she was still alive she would of enjoyed watching your sigma
Thank you so much Wiripo, we appreciate your kind feedback! ☺️
This was amazing, why did you let her go ? I could listen to you both for at least another 2 hours! Very informative and I learnt so many things about our school system.
Glad you enjoyed it Philip! Thank you so much ☺️
i grew up in the 90s in the north shore were we had 3 terms-----the whole 4 term thing is fairly new
ESOL = English for Speakers of Other Languages. It reflects that many children come to school with more than one home language.
Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to say hi! We really appreciate you being here with us. ☺️
@@ItsaDrama I keep looking at the shots of the maunga when you film outside and trying to figure out where on the coast you are. Presumably round Ōakura. My family are in New Plymouth and Ōpunakē so travel SH45 often. I enjoy your content.
Gulf harbour is gorgeous upmarket area
Hi Liz, I have a question for Jo, if you wouldn’t mind asking her. I’ve heard people say there is more of a “teasing” culture in NZ children. I wonder if Jo has noticed a difference in teasing and/or bullying norms between the States and where she teaches in the Auckland area?
That's a great question Bobbie. I think we might need to do a part 2 with the lovely Jo! 😁
I would like to know this, too. Bullying is a huge issue in the states.
Is discipline a large issue there? It is one of the top five issues for teachers leaving the classroom in the states. 55% of teachers are leaving the profession nationwide. There is a lack of respect, and while I love teaching and my students and parents, the lack of respect is an issue that has to be managed. Usually, I can handle that through good classroom routines and communication with parents, but it is an issue overall.
I would also like to know about violence (which I think many people mentioned in the comments as a non-issue). It seems idyllic not to have active shooter drills or lock-downs.
Thanks for such a wonderful conversation!
@@leahmarieezra877 NZ isn't perfect, but when you weigh up work life balance for adults and children as well, quality of life, safety and health... it really is amazing for families, children and adults, and that means most teachers too.
Teacher shortage here, nudge nudge.
What lovely people! This video has no direct relevance to me but just watching these ladies is enough to cheer me up!
Re: Covid and parental access - make sure it comes back and it doesn't get taken away for ever. It's symbolic - if it's there, the parents are still being acknowledged as the people responsible for the children (and not a nuisance out-of school minder supplementary to the main process of state/elite indoctrination), and the teachers are "in loco parentis". If you have a good relationship, society is functioning more correctly and in partnership.
Thank you so much, we appreciate you being here and your kind words 😊
i went to murrys bay primary, then mairangi bay intimedite, then i went to that fancy 3rd tere school ":kristin" in albany auckland....then i went to st pauls collegiate in waikato before i went to the CIA in hyde park NY
This was interesting.
Thank you, we are glad that you enjoyed it ☺️
How did that hour and quarter go so fast? Great chat.
Thank you, yes, I felt the same way when I was interviewing her! 😁
There is supervion and teachers on duty for help if needed but generally the kids just get on with it. Glad your a teacher in NZ Jo keep up the good work 👍😃
Thank you Mel ☺️
:) :)
I generally LISTEN to (rather than watch, per sè) because of my .... environment and I do tend to "listen" to quite a few of your videos, but, again, because of my environment, I cannot comment, usually! What happens is EweChube sorta automatically queues up clips for me, so I didn't click on this, as such, but kinda drifted in here, but I thoroughly enjoyed it (as I have ALL your clips), despite its irrelevance to me - I'm and Aussie, all my kids are long grown etc etc!
I gotta say that you, Liz, must have been vaccinated with a gramophone needle at birth.... in ALL your clips! You are so effervescent and enthusiastic! :)
Anyway, thank you to BOTH you ladies for this content. It was interesting and entertaining and, although this is very politically uncorrect (yeah - I know that's NOT how it's spelt), when I stopped I realised that not only do you sound wonderful, and speak so well, you are also easy on the optics!!!!!!!! :) Hahahahaha
Great stuff!
Love it!! Thank you so much for this fabulous comment! I don't mind if you listen or watch, I just grateful to have you with us! Have a great week 😁 Sending love to Oz! 🇦🇺
Nz way lady. We do it our way. It doesn't matter if you a qualified teacher or you teach for say, 9, 10years. You have to qualify the nz way. Alot of Indian, Asian and other people all over the world are qualified Dr, but they drive busses here, taxi, forkhoist you name it.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts, we appreciate you being with us ☺️
yes, the much desired "NZ experience" - I'm an NZer who taught English overseas for 6 years, and when I returned to NZ I still got interviewers saying "oh, you'll have to retrain" or "Oh, you don't have any NZ experience, we do things differently here" "or oh, you can speak a foreign language, we don't need that here" - I hate to think how much worse it would be for a non NZer looking for work here.
Hi Liz. Another great video. Would love to know about teacher remuneration in NZ, compared to the USA 🇺🇸. Are her and Ryan able to make ends meet in Auckland. Also, school safety for students and teaching staff. I remember watching your video, with Ryan, would like to know how they have settled into Auckland, have they made good friends, and how it compares to where they were from in the USA and if they intend to leave NZ and return to the USA 🇺🇸
Thank you for your lovely feedback and these are great questions! Ryan may hop on and answer your questions but from what i can see when I speak to Ryan in our group he and his family are very happy in NZ and don't have any plans to leave any time soon 🥰 (I hope not that's for sure!)
Thank you again for watching, really glad that it was helpful! ☺️
Most teachers in NZ are in a union (there is one union for primary, and one for secondary) and they have a collective agreement and payscale. So you start at the bottom of the scale as a first year teacher and move up the scale each year. If you take on additional responsibilities (like being Head of Department in a high school) you can get extra money added to your salary for it. You are paid by central government rather than by the school, so if a school wants to hire a more experienced teacher they can do without worrying their salary is going to be too expensive. Salary increases are not tied to test scores. You get paid during the school holidays too.
Safety is not the issue it is overseas, things are harder than when my daughter was at high-school, but weapons at school are almost entirely unheard of, our gun laws mean we are not a gun carrying society, just recent I heard of a student being stabbed after school outside school grounds...really really unheard of. children still walk or bike to and from school in many areas, perhaps with friends but no accompanying adults
Joann makes more money here than she ever did in the US. If you are in large areas of the US you may make more but as a whole it is better in NZ. You should actually be able to find pay scales here as they are posted somewhere. (I'll try to remember where it is.)
@@annaf4720 It has been a while since I taught primary - but in my day being willing to take on student teachers for their classroom experience you got an allowance for that as well.
growing up as a young fulla back in the mid sixties , we never had any homework # 1 reason is most of us had chores to do after school ,,,, we were given any number of excuses why chores should be done before any blo,,y homework,,,,hahaha
Same as us in England James (born 1963 and 1971) 🤣 'Homework you say?? Not before you've been down the lane and got us some wood for the fire..'.😆 Thanks for watching!
I found the Montessori system to be racist if im being honest. This was my experience taking my daughter here, I am Māori and felt discriminated against. I don't recommend at all and felt more welcomed at the Total Immersion Māori school that I enrolled her in.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts, we really appreciate you being with us ☺️
Tautoko
I was born I June. As someone who stated school withi days of my 5th birthday I was not amused lol
The curriculum flexibility is what put me off becoming a teacher. It works fine if you are teaching English or art, but is terrible for maths and science. And for the first 2 years you are required to come up with your own lesson plans. There are only so many ways to teach algebra.
P.s. Getting sent to school the day after my 5th birthday really sucked. All of my friends were still at play centre.
It's really tough in science!!
Did you use a recruiting agency to help you get a job in teaching? If so, what is the name of the company?
We had already moved here when she got her job. Once she got her credentials, it didn't take very long as the jobs are all listed together. It mostly depends on where you want to live/work.
My gifted kids got scholarships in South Africa for expensive schools this is why I didn't wish them in New Zealand wholesale education
I thought you would go private for your undergrad so you can have the upper edge later getting into public for your next part of education
Ummm the master of science degree definitely exists in NZ. It’s just that degree doesn’t qualify you for teaching in NZ.
The beaurecracy is crazy. I know of a friend who more than 20 years ago gave up on teaching because of it and it is sad that
Oops... things have not improved.
Thanks for watching Mattie and for sharing your thoughts ☺️
"20 minutes to the highway and then 10 minutes anywhere...i didnt want a long commute...."
ME A ALASKAN: OMG THATS IT? ....GET ME OUT OF HERE!
I suspect someone qualified in the UK might find it a bit easier. By the way just to burst a myth I have an m.sc. and taught for years
Melissa Botha is a young South African mum who immigrated to New Zealand. Melissa also has a TH-cam video about becoming a teacher in New Zealand too
Funnily enough ( l could be mistaken) but l believe her and family reside in the gulf Harbour region too.
Great interview with Jo. Very informative.
th-cam.com/video/tSffc2iI2PM/w-d-xo.html
This is the link to Melissa Bothas video on becoming a teacher if you move to New Zealand.
Cheers.
Have a nice day.
th-cam.com/video/DsnmZxcqjjg/w-d-xo.html
This is another link to a TH-cam video about moving to and teaching in New Zealand that Melissa Botha uploaded about 2 years ago.
The first link is more recent and was uploaded about 7 months ago.
Again...cheers!
Have a nice day
Private school has less kids in the class. Kids dont get lost' fall between the crack.
Fewer
Kia ora is best pronounced 'key order' key is spoken quickly, do not pronounce the 'r' at the en d of order, and you will never get it wrong, the 'a' is silenced mostly anyways so your all good. Also you just learnt to roll your 'r'. Back in the 2000s there was an increase of IQ levels, where kdis were actually skipping a year like going from year 10 to year 11 because they were intellectual enough to go in to year 11 instead of 10
You missed asking the elephant in the room question: How do we get more men in teaching to even out the massive overwhelming imbalance of nearly only women teachers in schools, especially primary schools. Is the same imbalance in the USA? If not why not? How can we get more men teaching in schools? Cannot be good for young boys and possibly girls too to only have a woman teacher throughout their school life. Not implying the teachers aren’t good but having one sex teaching is not setting a child up for real life and how society works in general.
This has been an issue for years in primary schools - generally men do not see themselves as mentors for younger children.
College or university positions are more Macho.
That said I totally enjoyed my years as a male primary school teacher ... and yes the kids do need both male and female viewpoints through their formative years.
That's a great point Kerry. Hmmm...Maybe we need to do a part 2? ☺️
@@maltnz Thanks for your reply, I think maybe the Ellis trial a few years ago has had a detrimental effect of getting men involved with early childhood education. Getting a man accused of heinous and possibly ridiculous crimes is not conducive to recruiting men. A sad situation really. No one wants to be put in that situation. How do they deal with it in other countries? Maybe we can learn something there.
It is the same in the US. For us, it was a way for states to cut education funding (in the late 1800s and early 1900s) since women were paid much less than men.
Sadly, teacher pay remains low. Many people mentioned this as part of the #Me Too movement. Certain occupations have consistently low wages and a higher percentage of female teachers.
And we don't have active shooter drills!!!
Ahh, yes.. differentiating the pedagogy...
Yeah, totally off-loaded onto the individual teacher.
"just get on with it - that's your job."
ermmm I can't comment!... don't have kids so can't comment on the current schooling... and I am not a teacher... I do think they should be paid a bit more than they do...
That's ok my friend, just having you with us is enough! Hope your week went well 😁
I don't think there should be School Boards. Too much small mindedness , egos and odd ideas about education, that can really hinder kids with ADHD, and learning problems. They aren't professionals in the field.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts with us Julia, we appreciate you being with us ☺️
I'm from NZ and I have to say that theres lots of fights going on in New Zealand high schools but it's mostly Maori kids that does the fight. If a school has very less Maori people then fights are very unlikely to happen
Rubbish. What a over exaggerated generalisation.
@@jasminewilson7764 It's true though, most Maori boys in my school fights a lot
@@jasminewilson7764It's true in certain areas. It's because of the gang culture in some parts of NZ.