I have watched an incredible amount of videos on configuring the Mac Pro and read tons of articles. No one has explained this as precise, well-structured, and understandable as you have. Great work and thank you!
First person on youtube doing this topic that actually knows what he's talking about. I came to the same conclusions for my configuration although I am sticking with the base graphics card since I don't need graphics performance. Fantastic video, thanks!
@@SilfenPath Sure thing. One thing I haven't been able to find out (even after contacting Apple support) is whether or not they still have optical TOSLINK out in the headphone jack of this Mac Pro. Any chance you know?
@@midjetville Is this a thing Jim? I never heard of TOSLINK being sent out of an analog output...But then again, I haven't used this protocol in years either. I'm also curious! :)
@@crisfehr Yep, most older macs had this type of optical output built into the audio jack. I contacted Apple support and they told me that the new Mac Pro does indeed have TOSLINK out. I'll verify this on Monday when mine arrives.
Thank you so much for this video. As a “prosumer” wedding photographer and content creator looking to possibly invest in the Mac Pro this really helped me narrow down what I was going to get in the system. I think the biggest thing you pointed out was the processor which as you said it makes sense to upgrade to at least the 12 core. I also currently own a Radeon VII which I’ll probably throw into the Mac Pro as well and just go with the lowers graphics option they provide as that’ll be more than enough for my needs. Thanks again!
If you're looking for aliens 😂 👾 Seriously though, i think it's a good video. Personally i would avoid the 8-/12-core. Just get a 16-core (or more if you need it for your app(s)). Less then 16-cores isn't really of these times anymore, (when talking about this specific Mac). When it comes to the GPU, i would go with the W5700X, it's a great GPU, if needed go with dual ones. To save cost i got just one of them but i'm pushing the limits of it. You can always add one later but it costs more when adding later. 😩 When it comes to storage, i would go with as much as you can. In the past, to save on cost, i always picked the standard (256GB/512GB). However, this is really not enough. And sure, you can buy external SSD's or just have PCI-E option. I would still recommend that you at least consider 2TB or 4TB. I got 8TB and it's really nice not having to worry about storage. You will always have Apps, photo's, music, video's, document's etc... So choose wisely! The ram, haaa, the infamous ram! Honestly, yes, you can just buy it third party. On the other hand, i went with 96GB from the start and i have more then enough with that! If you are someone that uses more and are using much more pro apps at the same time, you can probably spend the money... 🤷🏻♂️ 😝In that case go with 192GB/384GB... The Apple burner card is something you will have to decide yourself, do you use pro res (raw) or not? Again, great video. But i thought a little update to this was needed. Certainly because the iMac Pro (with the new M1 chips) are absolutely obsolete right now!
18:30 It should be noted that when you get two Vega II cards vs a single Vega II Duo card, you get double the number of Thunderbolt ports (8) than you’d get with the Duo (4)
Correct! Thanks! I’m hoping we’ll soon see some PCI-e or MPX modules bringing us just the extra TB ports we need. Hopefully someone’s planning on making them :)
I'm literally clapping! Bravo! Excellent no BS video! It's been the most helpful in seeking direction on my upgrades and I learned a lot too! Keep it up sir! 👍
I’m probably going to make a video about this shortly (time permitting) since it seems upgraded options are coming. I’m still happy with mine and if huge amounts of RAM and PCIe expansion slots are important to you - it’s still the best (and only) choice. However, Apple Silicone is quite nice. I would not mind it in a MacPro :)
@@SilfenPathdefinitely - I’ve done lots of upgrades on it, including a 28 core. Also tested 6900 and 6800 xt, main mpx was dual w5700x. Just got a Vega ii to test, but the new 6900 xt is so crazy powerful for metal based video editing that it may be the best option
I am wondering what would be the difference if you’re taking a set of 4 NVMe drives and putting them in a OWC Accelsior 4M2 ($350) as a raid as opposed to putting them in 4 separate EZDIY-FAB PCI Express M.2 SSD NGFF PCIe Card to PCIe 3.0 x4 M2 Adapter ($16x4) as a raid. Except for wasting 3 more PCIe slots of course.
OMG I was about to order my machine and this helped me immensely confirming my decisions! Thank you!!!! I ended up with the 12 core, 32 gig (upgrading to 96 elsewhere) w5700 and 1 TB storage. LIterally making the order in a day or two! Can't wait to try this beast out. Was gonna wait for the new m1x chips but we got funding to upgrade and I was told I needed to have my decision by this week or else we lose funding and having a mac pro that I can upgrade later on was a no brainer (especially since it's not out of pocket money)
Lol. True. By the way - if you have to have it now - it’s understandable. Better now than lose funding. However WWDC is on June 7 - and we should know if any MacPros are coming soon then. Maybe an M1X based one or from what I’m hearing - a newer Intel Xeon proc potentially. Either way - unless you’re going for something extreme (core count-wise) the diff between your 12 core and a new 12 core probably want be mind blowing. It’s a gen update. Maybe a few 100 GHz higher per core. It’d matter more if you had/needed a 24 core processor or some such. Unless they bring PCIe-4 - which would be a decent bump in bandwidth on that bus.
@@SilfenPath Had to watch this again as it's SO useful! Such a shame that the Radeon W5700X cannot be purchased separately later on...I'm a content creator & work exclusively in Final Cut, but I have a really hard time justifying the cost of the Radeon Pro Vega II. I wish Apple could give us a timeline on when that new card's going to hit the market...Thx again!
Hi Silfen this info i wished I knew last year lol, but I'm happy I found you! Would you know if the W5700X card came out yet? I bought my machine with the base configuration. Now it's time to upgrade across the board. Especially since I'm working as an editor and working with Cinema 4D.
It’s been out for awhile. This week apple just updated specs and 4 new Navi GPU from AMD are also an option. Maybe wait to see a few reviews on them first since they should be the fastest. W6800X and W6900X - and both also with Duo variants (two GPUs on one card).
Honestly don’t know of top of my head, But they are offered on Apple Store for purchase individually. Example: www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ103AM/A/radeon-pro-w6900x-mpx-module Search store for: “MPX module” for list of all.
Hello there, I was wondering is there is perfect specs for mac pro if i want to edit Red Komodo Raw files using the Final Cut pro, i would appreciate your advice
Red raw is not too bad. Especially Komodo. I have 16 core with Vega II and W5700X. I didn’t realize but since I moved my XDR display to the side all this time my other 5k monitor was connected to W5700X while I was editing red footage so it seems it can run it just fine. Do note than new Red plugins (Red-cine-x pro) for OSX support Metal - so they’ll utilize it (I.e. you get GPU acceleration) while editing. With all that said - 16 core would be recommended to be 100% safe. I am pretty confident 12 core could push it as well though. 64GB RAM min - more the merrier. I have 384gb. Now do note I am just guessing here but with some insight as to what my machine can do with its specs and extrapolating if it could do with less. However, you could go to an apple store, download my free Komodo footage from silfenpath.com/downloads/komodo6k-samples/ and plug it right into final cut on the MacPro they have on display. Or on an iMac and test right there :) I do plan to do full workflow video for Komodo on Mac Pro - and at that time I’ll try to test with Vega II alone and with W5700X alone to see if each in solo mode can push them pixels. Hope this helps a bit. Thanks.
@@SilfenPath great info thank you, although the Apple store uses their own wifi so i cant access the website there to download the footage, but thanks i had pretty much same idea.
Hmm. They usually don’t block stuff. I guess USB or thunderbolt SSD it is :) Plus with that you can test if speed of external ssd is enough to edit it if you have to move it to something fast like internal one 😉 something I also plan to do in my test :)
@@SilfenPath sorry I was asking for Mac Pro. Did not realise the word was changed to iMac Pro. If W-3175x is able to use with Mac Pro, I would like to buy base model and replace it with 3175z. Sorry for my mistake
I think they’ll be upgrading MacPro lineup after all other hardware is on Apple silicon. While all MacPro owners would be mad and would rejoice at the same time if they did it now - it won’t be the case most likely. Their money makers (outside of mobile devices) are laptops and iMacs. That’s where they’ll push Apple Silicon first especially because of the chip shortage. There’s only so much fabs can make, and they are all at capacity now - China, Taiwan, everywhere and Apple will want each one of those new shiny chips in new affordable machines so they can sell fast, rather than in super pricy MacPro which doesn’t sell in high volume. As for MacPro - if Apple starts innovating again, they may/should give us an M1/M1X MPX module for current Mac Pros. This way they could sell the whole stockpile of Intel MacPros (and continue selling them for awhile), and current owners (like me) would love to pay $1000 (price of a MacBook Air with M1 chip) for a card (with one or two) we could put into our MacPros to accelerate workloads or run OSX directly from. Sadly - that’s quite a leap for Apple nowadays. Embracing standard they invented (like MPX) and giving us awesome stuff. So there you have it. What I believe will happen, and what I wish it did :) As for price drop on MacPros - don’t see that coming up for awhile. They don’t sell enough to justify it and simply - they don’t care. My $.02 :)
I didn’t mean they should put the M1 chip on an Intel motherboard. I meant they put it on an MPX module or PCI Express cars (like their afterburner accelerator) and we with Intel Macs could use the chip through that. I’m sure they can code OSX to see M1 chip through PCIe just like it sees Afterburner accelerator and GPUs. Best of both worlds IMO.
Why wouldn’t it be? They make hardware and the software. Their OS already works on M1 silicon. Apple’s afterburner is pretty much Apple Silicon which accelerated ProRes encode/decode through PCIe. This new card could be M1 chip on a PCIe card, and os could use it to accelerate Metal workloads or anything silicon chip can do. Heck - we could run Silicon-only apps on Intel macs with this. But will they do this - probably not. We’ll just have to wait a few years for a full-on Apple Silicon Mac Pro. Though when it comes it’ll be a beast. They could put 2 or even 4 x MX chips in it for some insane performance.
fabulous work . many thks for yr time. I will follow yr advice about the radeon w5700X.. I have a spare Radeon 7 brand new... would you recommande install it additionaly over the W5700X.. will it impact the configuration positively or negatively. best rgds
Honestly, on Windows at least, mixing consumer and pro AMD GPUs is not quite recommended. On OSX it seems to work ok especially since the two are pretty much the same thing. So I’d say if you have it you probably can install it without any downside. But make sure to plug in monitors into W5700X as it’s a bit more powerful. That way it’ll be your primary.
Hi there, thanks so much for all these amazing insights! Now that the w5700x are available, allow me to ask one follow up question: you’ve estimated that 2x w5700x would perform about 1 1/2 times as good as a Vega II, yet the 2x w5700x Option costs a whopping thousand bucks less. Am I correctly assuming that you would thus recommend to go for 2x w5700x? Cheers!!
It’s silent. And i don’t have exact numbers for you, but ultimately with my single 8TB card (which is what I ultimately ended up with) with encryption on I don’t see any noticeable slowdown.
As far as I can tell you should be able to fit 4 without issues. Length should never be a problem in this machine. The two double thick cards (mpx modules) are as big as any 4 regular GPUs.
This is something that has to really be tested with 4 non-Apple-MPX (regular) GPUs to be certain. But, the belkin power cable set comes with 4 GPU (8 pin to 8 pin) power cables, so you “should” be able to power 4 GPUs. If your GPUs have 2 x 6 or 8 pin power ports on them you could buy a regular GPU cable splitter and split each cable at the end from one 6 or 8 pin to two. I haven’t done this on a Mac Pro and can’t tell you for certain if the power is adequate, but on my PC - four GPU power cables, with splitter at the end, can power 4 GPUs with my 1600W PSU. The real question here is why do you need this? What GPUs do you intend to put that would perform better than what Apple has to offer anyways? Their MPX module GPUs are one of the most powerful today (at least for OSX).
@@SilfenPath Ok, so the MPX module is great and if I had the cash; £10800, I would get it haha, but I don't. I need the RAW GPU power for the upcoming release of Octane X which utilises Apple's METAL API in Cinema 4D. In reality, I need as many GPU's as possible, the more GPU's I have, the faster my render times will be. At my old studio, we had a PC with x4 GTX TITANS in and that was kicking 1 frame out in 1 min. So let's say you have 24 frames per second... that's 24 mins for a tiny portion of a CGI scene. Currently, I have an iMac with an external GPU with a 1080 Ti running on High Sierra, the last OS to support CUDA.
Yea. I wish Apple and Nvidia would make up already. It’s hurting us - the consumers, as always. Whatever GPU you want to use - make sure it supports Metal. Not all AMD do it seems, though most newer ones (Navi) should. But when it comes to price - New Titans cost as much as MPX modules. So I see that either way you have to shell out some money. Even a 2680Ti can cost as much as a single module MPX. Which four do you plan on putting into your Mac?
This is so golden! I appreciate the details of this. Based on your advice I would love your advice on some further questions! My main usage (with my Mac Pro 5,1 at 3.33ghz 6 core and 48GB RAM my average CPU usage is around 20% and average RAM usage 30%) : *Internet surfing with 30+ tabs *5-6 messenger programs *Software that's not too heavy *OBS Studio *Microsoft Office *Virtual login for work *open up 2-3 light game software *R programming (statistical analysis) *SQL (data querying) *Python (statistical analysis) *Boot Camp gaming (World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, etc.) *Final Cut Pro *Logic Pro *Apple Photos 12 Core CPU - No question there. 1) 32GB RAM - Can I just buy 2 more slots for an additional 8GB each and work fine although they're not Apple products? (assuming its the same DDR4 and same Hz) 2) 1TB or 2TB SSD - Still torn apart. I thought it was going to be like Mac Pro 5,1 where you can move your main storage around. But, since this is embedded like MacBook's although I do think 1TB could be golden, for future proof 2TB might be better. But it's so expensive....! 3) 5700XT - I am planning to use Boot Camp 70-80% of the time, so it looks like I can add additional GPU (Nvidia) unlike 5,1! 4) Afterburner - I am planning to use Final Cut Pro, and I have Sony A7S, Sony Action Camera 1080p, and iPhone Xs. Would I need an Afterburner card (based on my config right now) if I want my video quality to be like MKBHD or Dave3D or even yours? I noticed that my quality was always bad (sorry I'm a newbie when it comes to video editing). Not sure if my hardware will likely be plenty enough. Thanks in advance!
1) For RAM I'd suggest you check out this video of mine: th-cam.com/video/jIXQGJvpMVA/w-d-xo.html ... Yes you can add 2 more 8GB DIMMs and get 48GB (which is the config I'd recommend for you)... Ideally I do not like to mix and match RAM manufacturers, since CAS timings and such may differ, but since a lot of people have been replacing all of their Apple RAM with another one - I am sure you can fund 2 x 8GB Apple OEM DIMMs on eBay for cheap. That way you'll have identical RAM to 32GB in new Mac. 2) I never have enough storage. I'd go with 2. However, if Apple RAM is too pricy for you, go with 1, and simply buy a PCIe to NVMe card, and slot in a 2TB Samsung Pro or Evo for less, later on when you need to. 3) I think you meant to say W5700X (Apple's AMD GPU) ... It's not actually quite the same as 5700XT FYI ... I'd personally stay from 5700XT in MacPro .. I know a lot of people use them and are happy, but W5700X is a bit better card IMHO ... I tried making a video on 5700XT - and it flopped. I just had issues with it, Fans wouldn't spin enough to cool it in OSX, it'd crash my machine, etc. Stick w/ W5700X. 4) You do not need an Afterburner. The only thing this will help with if your native media is in ProRes format. Doubt your Sony records in ProRes (though I may be wrong), but regardless, Mac Pro is so fast that for what you're doing - you do not nee it. 4.5) Video quality depends on the camera (and even more on the light you shine at the scene)... Well lit scenes look good even on cheaper cameras, but more expensive ones can deal better with harsh conditions. MKBHD uses a $50K+ Red Monstro for his videos, so if you want THAT good of a quality - you gotta use something insane. He records in 8K or 6K and downsamples to 4K for youtube upload. The sensors on those cameras record so much data, RAW, that when video is made smaller and then compressed it looks buttery smooth. I use Canon EOS R and am super happy with it, much more than I was with my Panasonic GH5. I'd recommend it very much... A trick you can do is also to shoot in 1080p, but make your video timeline in 4K - and publish your video as 4k video even though it was filmed in 1080p. On TH-cam - in some instances (like when filming with Canon R) this turns out into a really good looking video.... Main thing is - keep on experimenting... I still wish my videos looked better, but I'm getting there... Key always is the LIGHT. If you don't have expensive lights, film by your window. Nothing is as good as nice soft natural light ;) Hope this helps.
@@SilfenPath Oh man, you're so detailed I wish I can thumbs up 100 times on this reply (yes you're right I meant to say W5700X. Thank you for your perfect answer and I'm glad there is someone like you for Mac Pro. I would love to communicate with you more via email or Discord if it's ok with you!. Let me know if you have one!
Nice work putting this together! Quality video. I agree with your recommendations and am looking forward to ordering mine when the W5700X is made available. What do you mainly use your system for?
Thank you. Mostly for running a VMware (virtualization) lab on it. Pretty much a copy of my production environment management cluster. About 256GB worth it stuff :)
In the video I believe I mention that if you are going with a base 8 core - might as well get a Mac book pro or an iMac / iMacPro. So I’d recommend getting at least a 12 core right away otherwise you are overpaying for what you’re getting (much more than we all are either way).
@@SilfenPath Thanks for the fast reply, I just received my 8 core version last week and when I edit my images through Lightroom and Photoshop the highest percentage i can use was 80%, so I don't know if its worth it for me to pay the extra $1000, and I do like those pcie slots in the Mac Pro that's why I didn't go with the iMac/iMac Pro...
It always depends on the workload. If you mostly edit photos - yea 8 core is fine. If you’re pushing through some videos - 12 core would do much better. Only reason I don’t recommend 8 core is because Mac Book Pro is pretty much as fast as that. But I get it with PCIe slots. That’s why I have a MacPro and every single one is in use hehe :)
@@SilfenPath I only edit videos once every six months or so to make a documentary video of my photographic work, I guess for me the 8 core should be fine for now...but yeah, the pcie slots are just awesome, i had to connect everything externally with my trashcan mac pro but now almost all the stuff i need can be connects with pcie, and the fact that we can have so many thunderbolt ports is just dream come true hehe
Hi Silfen, if one purchases the 16-core Mac Pro with single Radeon Pro Vega II Duo , can another Radeon Pro Vega II Duo card be added to connect future Apple Pro Display XDR's? Thanks in advance!
Hi Rodney. Yep, you can do that. I got a single Vega II (non duo), for example, and have added an extra W5700X in my case for extra monitors and ports. If you add another Duo, you can interconnect them with a bridge for even more performance. In my case - I really just wanted extra thunderbolt ports more than anything :) However, some time next year I’m sure we’ll see RDNA2 based GPUs from Apple and AMD / which should be even faster. Only other thing worth noting is that some apps do not know how to use multi GPUs properly (i.e. you won’t get double performance). In most cases - apps will use GPU that’s attached to the monitor they are being displayed on. Hope this helps.
@@SilfenPath Awesome - look forward to it! Also, in addition to DSC, the 5700X's NAVI architecture will supposedly allow for hardware accelerated H.265/HEVC transcoding up to 4K60...which is something the Vega's do not offer, and unsure whether they can be upgraded to do so. Assuming that's tests out as true, for video editors, the 5700X's look like a great price/performance point for the Mac Pro.
Hi, can I check the Core and the RAM of the 2019 Mac Pro I’m about to buy please... If you see something wrong with the cores and RAM I’ve chosen then can you let me know ASAP please 2019 Mac Pro 3.5GHz 8‑core Intel Xeon W processor Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz 48GB (6x8GB) of DDR4 ECC memory Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory 8TB SSD storage Stainless steel frame with feet To use for… Basically I’m disabled so my Mac has been my biggest tool for everything really so “Up Until Now“ I have always gone for the Mac Pro with the max configurations as being max config it will last me years longer and I’m a high end Mac user. I use Photoshop - EverWeb - Final Cut Pro X - Logic Pro X - I’m in a rock band and whatever I make on videos / music / designs is always on the highest quality settings with no compromises. I use 2 Display Monitors too. with Logic Pro X I have a very simple setup I have a UBS Lead which plugs in to Shure Mics I record one thing at a time, easy. But I need POWER to do things and Input/export long complicated tracks fast :) … Soon I’ll be buy this for Logic Po X www.scan.co.uk/products/scarlett-2i2-3rd-gen-interface-usb-type-c-192-khz-24-bit-2-mic-pres-2-2-analogue-i-o with Final Cut Pro X its simple I just record vids and gigs on my iPhone 11 Pro Max in 4K 60fps then import the long 4K vid into it to edit everything on my Mac Pro. But I need POWER to do things and Input/export long complicated vids fast :) For fun I watch a ton of iTunes Movies and iTunes Shows which I download on 4 massive hard drives, I never stream as my broadband speed is awful as I live in a blackspot area etc.... Apart from that I’m a massive gamer I play World Of Warcraft - Warcraft 3 Reforged - Diablo 3 and soon Diablo 4 - Elder Scrolls Online - Observer - Layers Of Fear - and soon probably Lord of the Rings and Frostpunk when it comes out and hopefully Assassin's Creed Valhalla.... At present I have very high end Mid 2010 Mac Pro and I play all those games on medium to highest possible settings. I would love to record my gameplay but at the moment I can’t as whenever I try the recording always comes out jerky and never smooth even on the lowest settings... I never use Bootcamp as I can’t stand Windows.
Kain, I somehow completely missed your commend and I am sorry for that... It did not show up in my iPhone app, and I only saw it when I logged in via the Web! I sincerely hope this is not way too late of a reply :-( Here are my thoughts about your proposed config: If your videos are from iPhone in 4K, Vega II is an overkill for this ... It'll game decently well, but W5700X games just about as good, and is almost as fast in a lot of tasks, so if I were you I would maybe save the money on GPU a bit and get a faster CPU ... Here's my video on Vega II vs W5700X so you can make your own decision: th-cam.com/video/4xFEtegvA1Y/w-d-xo.html Vega II is $2,400, and W5700X is a $600 add-on over 580X. That's a LOT of money if all you do video-wise (edit iPhone videos) and play a few not-so-demanding games. 8-core xeon is very *underwhelming*... As I say in my video, if this is what you want to get - then just go with a MacBook Pro instead ... But - with the money you can save on not getting Vega II (but W5700X instead), you can use it to get a 16-core Intel Xeon W which you will be ridiculously happy with FOR A LONG WHILE. You said you want your machine to last - this is the CPU to get. Even if you get a 12-core, it's much, much better than 8-core option. Even if by now you got your own config, it's still a great machine (especially with a super fast Vega II), but really the CPU would be the only upgrade I'd consider in it ... Thanks and sorry for such a long delay :(
@@SilfenPath ha ha that's ok and yeah but late as I've just got a... 2019 Mac Pro 3.2GHz 16‑core Intel Xeon W processor Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz 48GB 2933 MHz DDR4 memory AMD Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory 8TB SSD storage Stainless steel frame with feet and its just amazing :) Games are finally epic too :) I love my new 2019 Mac Pro :) ... The only really shit thing is the Apple TV App its really idiotic compared to the old iTunes
Ah. Great news. Yes. That’s the config to get. Same as mine not counting 384GB ram and extra owc ssd card - but base from apple is identical. Enjoy it. I’ve sure been loving mine! :)
@@SilfenPathwhat you can fit in more than 2 SSD's inside the actual mac? I've got two 4TB SSD's making it 8TB... But if I known I could fit more SSD's inside I would?
When talking about the CPU, I would have mentioned that the 8-core CPU runs the memory at 2666MHz, and all the others run the memory at 2999MHz, so memory throughput will be 10% slower for the 8-core CPU. Yet another reason to avoid that 8-core CPU!
Agreed. Was bound to forget something ;), but it is at least a config I advise people not to get for other reasons. That is just another perfect example. Thanks!
@@SilfenPath Great video thanks! Even if the Ram is 2666, what do you think about the Xeon W-3175x, 28 cores at 3,1for 3000$, should be option in front of the 16 cores ? :) ark.intel.com/content/www/fr/fr/ark/products/189452/intel-xeon-w-3175x-processor-38-5m-cache-3-10-ghz.html
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I have watched an incredible amount of videos on configuring the Mac Pro and read tons of articles. No one has explained this as precise, well-structured, and understandable as you have. Great work and thank you!
First person on youtube doing this topic that actually knows what he's talking about. I came to the same conclusions for my configuration although I am sticking with the base graphics card since I don't need graphics performance. Fantastic video, thanks!
Thanks Jim. Appreciate the comment very much :)
@@SilfenPath Sure thing. One thing I haven't been able to find out (even after contacting Apple support) is whether or not they still have optical TOSLINK out in the headphone jack of this Mac Pro. Any chance you know?
@@midjetville Is this a thing Jim? I never heard of TOSLINK being sent out of an analog output...But then again, I haven't used this protocol in years either. I'm also curious! :)
@@crisfehr Yep, most older macs had this type of optical output built into the audio jack. I contacted Apple support and they told me that the new Mac Pro does indeed have TOSLINK out. I'll verify this on Monday when mine arrives.
This is hands down the best Mac Pro configuration video out there. Great job.
Thank you!
Thank you for this. Straight to the point. Keep doing what you’re doing!! Excellent!!
Thank you so much for this video. As a “prosumer” wedding photographer and content creator looking to possibly invest in the Mac Pro this really helped me narrow down what I was going to get in the system. I think the biggest thing you pointed out was the processor which as you said it makes sense to upgrade to at least the 12 core. I also currently own a Radeon VII which I’ll probably throw into the Mac Pro as well and just go with the lowers graphics option they provide as that’ll be more than enough for my needs. Thanks again!
100% the same advice I gave, and 100% the same machine I got :-) Though, like you, would have prefered the 5700X. Very good Video, subed.
I like the quote at 3:25 so many people just don't understand the difference.
I really enjoyed this awesome presentation! Though likely wouldn't be able to get the recommended specs.
You should have more views and subs!
Thanks. Working on it. Just started last week :) Appreciate the comment very much!
If you're looking for aliens 😂 👾
Seriously though, i think it's a good video. Personally i would avoid the 8-/12-core. Just get a 16-core (or more if you need it for your app(s)). Less then 16-cores isn't really of these times anymore, (when talking about this specific Mac). When it comes to the GPU, i would go with the W5700X, it's a great GPU, if needed go with dual ones. To save cost i got just one of them but i'm pushing the limits of it. You can always add one later but it costs more when adding later. 😩
When it comes to storage, i would go with as much as you can. In the past, to save on cost, i always picked the standard (256GB/512GB). However, this is really not enough. And sure, you can buy external SSD's or just have PCI-E option. I would still recommend that you at least consider 2TB or 4TB. I got 8TB and it's really nice not having to worry about storage. You will always have Apps, photo's, music, video's, document's etc... So choose wisely!
The ram, haaa, the infamous ram! Honestly, yes, you can just buy it third party. On the other hand, i went with 96GB from the start and i have more then enough with that! If you are someone that uses more and are using much more pro apps at the same time, you can probably spend the money... 🤷🏻♂️ 😝In that case go with 192GB/384GB...
The Apple burner card is something you will have to decide yourself, do you use pro res (raw) or not?
Again, great video. But i thought a little update to this was needed. Certainly because the iMac Pro (with the new M1 chips) are absolutely obsolete right now!
18:30 It should be noted that when you get two Vega II cards vs a single Vega II Duo card, you get double the number of Thunderbolt ports (8) than you’d get with the Duo (4)
Correct! Thanks! I’m hoping we’ll soon see some PCI-e or MPX modules bringing us just the extra TB ports we need. Hopefully someone’s planning on making them :)
this is one of the info you can get of the the new mac pro, +++++
I'm literally clapping! Bravo! Excellent no BS video! It's been the most helpful in seeking direction on my upgrades and I learned a lot too! Keep it up sir! 👍
Thank you!! Glad it was useful! 😊
Hey, what’s your current opinion on the Mac Pro today in terms of its hardware?
And great video!
I’m probably going to make a video about this shortly (time permitting) since it seems upgraded options are coming.
I’m still happy with mine and if huge amounts of RAM and PCIe expansion slots are important to you - it’s still the best (and only) choice.
However, Apple Silicone is quite nice. I would not mind it in a MacPro :)
@@SilfenPathdefinitely - I’ve done lots of upgrades on it, including a 28 core. Also tested 6900 and 6800 xt, main mpx was dual w5700x. Just got a Vega ii to test, but the new 6900 xt is so crazy powerful for metal based video editing that it may be the best option
This is the most helpful and informative video on the Mac Pro 7.1. And I’ve watched them all. Thank you.
Indeed it is!
Thank you!
I am wondering what would be the difference if you’re taking a set of 4 NVMe drives and putting them in a OWC Accelsior 4M2 ($350) as a raid as opposed to putting them in 4 separate EZDIY-FAB PCI Express M.2 SSD NGFF PCIe Card to PCIe 3.0 x4 M2 Adapter ($16x4) as a raid. Except for wasting 3 more PCIe slots of course.
Did you watch this? m.th-cam.com/video/Dpg6C4yxgMg/w-d-xo.html
@@SilfenPath Wow. Brilliant video. The fact that you tested 2 PCIe cards with 1 Drive on each, answers my question. Thank you.
OMG I was about to order my machine and this helped me immensely confirming my decisions! Thank you!!!! I ended up with the 12 core, 32 gig (upgrading to 96 elsewhere) w5700 and 1 TB storage. LIterally making the order in a day or two! Can't wait to try this beast out. Was gonna wait for the new m1x chips but we got funding to upgrade and I was told I needed to have my decision by this week or else we lose funding and having a mac pro that I can upgrade later on was a no brainer (especially since it's not out of pocket money)
also hurts me that I could literally put a down payment on a house for the price of this thing hahahha
Lol. True. By the way - if you have to have it now - it’s understandable. Better now than lose funding. However WWDC is on June 7 - and we should know if any MacPros are coming soon then.
Maybe an M1X based one or from what I’m hearing - a newer Intel Xeon proc potentially.
Either way - unless you’re going for something extreme (core count-wise) the diff between your 12 core and a new 12 core probably want be mind blowing. It’s a gen update. Maybe a few 100 GHz higher per core. It’d matter more if you had/needed a 24 core processor or some such.
Unless they bring PCIe-4 - which would be a decent bump in bandwidth on that bus.
Super informative, & really helping me get sorted for my future purchase...This is awesome content!
Thx so much for doing this...Subbed!
Glad I could help :)
@@SilfenPath Had to watch this again as it's SO useful! Such a shame that the Radeon W5700X cannot be purchased separately later on...I'm a content creator & work exclusively in Final Cut, but I have a really hard time justifying the cost of the Radeon Pro Vega II. I wish Apple could give us a timeline on when that new card's going to hit the market...Thx again!
Hi Silfen this info i wished I knew last year lol, but I'm happy I found you! Would you know if the W5700X card came out yet? I bought my machine with the base configuration. Now it's time to upgrade across the board. Especially since I'm working as an editor and working with Cinema 4D.
It’s been out for awhile. This week apple just updated specs and 4 new Navi GPU from AMD are also an option. Maybe wait to see a few reviews on them first since they should be the fastest. W6800X and W6900X - and both also with Duo variants (two GPUs on one card).
Though in reality of you are coming from base config W5700X may be enough of an upgrade ;)
Wow thank you so much for updating me with that information...👍🏾
@@SilfenPath what will the cost factor be on those you think?
Honestly don’t know of top of my head, But they are offered on Apple Store for purchase individually. Example: www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ103AM/A/radeon-pro-w6900x-mpx-module
Search store for: “MPX module” for list of all.
Hello there,
I was wondering is there is perfect specs for mac pro if i want to edit Red Komodo Raw files using the Final Cut pro, i would appreciate your advice
Red raw is not too bad. Especially Komodo. I have 16 core with Vega II and W5700X. I didn’t realize but since I moved my XDR display to the side all this time my other 5k monitor was connected to W5700X while I was editing red footage so it seems it can run it just fine.
Do note than new Red plugins (Red-cine-x pro) for OSX support Metal - so they’ll utilize it (I.e. you get GPU acceleration) while editing.
With all that said - 16 core would be recommended to be 100% safe. I am pretty confident 12 core could push it as well though. 64GB RAM min - more the merrier. I have 384gb.
Now do note I am just guessing here but with some insight as to what my machine can do with its specs and extrapolating if it could do with less.
However, you could go to an apple store, download my free Komodo footage from silfenpath.com/downloads/komodo6k-samples/ and plug it right into final cut on the MacPro they have on display. Or on an iMac and test right there :)
I do plan to do full workflow video for Komodo on Mac Pro - and at that time I’ll try to test with Vega II alone and with W5700X alone to see if each in solo mode can push them pixels.
Hope this helps a bit. Thanks.
@@SilfenPath great info thank you, although the Apple store uses their own wifi so i cant access the website there to download the footage, but thanks i had pretty much same idea.
Hmm. They usually don’t block stuff. I guess USB or thunderbolt SSD it is :) Plus with that you can test if speed of external ssd is enough to edit it if you have to move it to something fast like internal one 😉 something I also plan to do in my test :)
Thank you very much for the good good good video :-)
Hi, I am going to buy iMac Pro and do you think W-3175X will work ?
Dunno. 255W is probably too much heat for iMac design to dissipate properly.
@@SilfenPath sorry I was asking for Mac Pro. Did not realise the word was changed to iMac Pro. If W-3175x is able to use with Mac Pro, I would like to buy base model and replace it with 3175z. Sorry for my mistake
Do you feel the M1 Mac Pro is here
... and what shift would it mean: lower RAM needs
or big price drop in Intel Mac Pro ? Sooner the better IMO
I think they’ll be upgrading MacPro lineup after all other hardware is on Apple silicon. While all MacPro owners would be mad and would rejoice at the same time if they did it now - it won’t be the case most likely.
Their money makers (outside of mobile devices) are laptops and iMacs. That’s where they’ll push Apple Silicon first especially because of the chip shortage. There’s only so much fabs can make, and they are all at capacity now - China, Taiwan, everywhere and Apple will want each one of those new shiny chips in new affordable machines so they can sell fast, rather than in super pricy MacPro which doesn’t sell in high volume.
As for MacPro - if Apple starts innovating again, they may/should give us an M1/M1X MPX module for current Mac Pros. This way they could sell the whole stockpile of Intel MacPros (and continue selling them for awhile), and current owners (like me) would love to pay $1000 (price of a MacBook Air with M1 chip) for a card (with one or two) we could put into our MacPros to accelerate workloads or run OSX directly from.
Sadly - that’s quite a leap for Apple nowadays. Embracing standard they invented (like MPX) and giving us awesome stuff.
So there you have it. What I believe will happen, and what I wish it did :)
As for price drop on MacPros - don’t see that coming up for awhile. They don’t sell enough to justify it and simply - they don’t care.
My $.02 :)
@@SilfenPath I agree ... but they should despite themselves; but the M1 chip wouldn’t work on an Intel motherboard.
I didn’t mean they should put the M1 chip on an Intel motherboard. I meant they put it on an MPX module or PCI Express cars (like their afterburner accelerator) and we with Intel Macs could use the chip through that. I’m sure they can code OSX to see M1 chip through PCIe just like it sees Afterburner accelerator and GPUs. Best of both worlds IMO.
@@SilfenPath is that possible ?
Why wouldn’t it be? They make hardware and the software. Their OS already works on M1 silicon. Apple’s afterburner is pretty much Apple Silicon which accelerated ProRes encode/decode through PCIe.
This new card could be M1 chip on a PCIe card, and os could use it to accelerate Metal workloads or anything silicon chip can do. Heck - we could run Silicon-only apps on Intel macs with this.
But will they do this - probably not. We’ll just have to wait a few years for a full-on Apple Silicon Mac Pro. Though when it comes it’ll be a beast. They could put 2 or even 4 x MX chips in it for some insane performance.
fabulous work . many thks for yr time. I will follow yr advice about the radeon w5700X.. I have a spare Radeon 7 brand new... would you recommande install it additionaly over the W5700X.. will it impact the configuration positively or negatively. best rgds
Honestly, on Windows at least, mixing consumer and pro AMD GPUs is not quite recommended. On OSX it seems to work ok especially since the two are pretty much the same thing. So I’d say if you have it you probably can install it without any downside. But make sure to plug in monitors into W5700X as it’s a bit more powerful. That way it’ll be your primary.
Quality advice. Thank you. I hope your channel grows by the same factor as the amount of teraflops you consumed in the making of this video.
Hehehe 😄. Thank you 😊.
Hi there, thanks so much for all these amazing insights! Now that the w5700x are available, allow me to ask one follow up question: you’ve estimated that 2x w5700x would perform about 1 1/2 times as good as a Vega II, yet the 2x w5700x Option costs a whopping thousand bucks less. Am I correctly assuming that you would thus recommend to go for 2x w5700x? Cheers!!
I ordered two of them from Apple early this week. Still waiting for shipment confirmation but we will put that to test as soon as they arrive :)
How loud is the OWC card? And how fast is it with encryption turned on (as Apple's SSDs)?
It’s silent. And i don’t have exact numbers for you, but ultimately with my single 8TB card (which is what I ultimately ended up with) with encryption on I don’t see any noticeable slowdown.
Very informative and thoughtful; this was VERY USEFUL for me. Well done!
Glad to hear. Thank you!
I really want to know if the Mac Pro can fit 4 GPU's inside at all? Does it only support 2 full-length GPU's or can you get 4 standard cards in?
As far as I can tell you should be able to fit 4 without issues. Length should never be a problem in this machine. The two double thick cards (mpx modules) are as big as any 4 regular GPUs.
Silfen Path Thanks! What about power cables?
This is something that has to really be tested with 4 non-Apple-MPX (regular) GPUs to be certain. But, the belkin power cable set comes with 4 GPU (8 pin to 8 pin) power cables, so you “should” be able to power 4 GPUs. If your GPUs have 2 x 6 or 8 pin power ports on them you could buy a regular GPU cable splitter and split each cable at the end from one 6 or 8 pin to two. I haven’t done this on a Mac Pro and can’t tell you for certain if the power is adequate, but on my PC - four GPU power cables, with splitter at the end, can power 4 GPUs with my 1600W PSU. The real question here is why do you need this? What GPUs do you intend to put that would perform better than what Apple has to offer anyways? Their MPX module GPUs are one of the most powerful today (at least for OSX).
@@SilfenPath Ok, so the MPX module is great and if I had the cash; £10800, I would get it haha, but I don't. I need the RAW GPU power for the upcoming release of Octane X which utilises Apple's METAL API in Cinema 4D. In reality, I need as many GPU's as possible, the more GPU's I have, the faster my render times will be. At my old studio, we had a PC with x4 GTX TITANS in and that was kicking 1 frame out in 1 min. So let's say you have 24 frames per second... that's 24 mins for a tiny portion of a CGI scene. Currently, I have an iMac with an external GPU with a 1080 Ti running on High Sierra, the last OS to support CUDA.
Yea. I wish Apple and Nvidia would make up already. It’s hurting us - the consumers, as always. Whatever GPU you want to use - make sure it supports Metal. Not all AMD do it seems, though most newer ones (Navi) should. But when it comes to price - New Titans cost as much as MPX modules. So I see that either way you have to shell out some money. Even a 2680Ti can cost as much as a single module MPX. Which four do you plan on putting into your Mac?
great video / explained very well. Thank You!
This is so golden! I appreciate the details of this. Based on your advice I would love your advice on some further questions!
My main usage (with my Mac Pro 5,1 at 3.33ghz 6 core and 48GB RAM my average CPU usage is around 20% and average RAM usage 30%) :
*Internet surfing with 30+ tabs
*5-6 messenger programs
*Software that's not too heavy
*OBS Studio
*Microsoft Office
*Virtual login for work
*open up 2-3 light game software
*R programming (statistical analysis)
*SQL (data querying)
*Python (statistical analysis)
*Boot Camp gaming (World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, etc.)
*Final Cut Pro
*Logic Pro
*Apple Photos
12 Core CPU - No question there.
1) 32GB RAM - Can I just buy 2 more slots for an additional 8GB each and work fine although they're not Apple products? (assuming its the same DDR4 and same Hz)
2) 1TB or 2TB SSD - Still torn apart. I thought it was going to be like Mac Pro 5,1 where you can move your main storage around. But, since this is embedded like MacBook's although I do think 1TB could be golden, for future proof 2TB might be better. But it's so expensive....!
3) 5700XT - I am planning to use Boot Camp 70-80% of the time, so it looks like I can add additional GPU (Nvidia) unlike 5,1!
4) Afterburner - I am planning to use Final Cut Pro, and I have Sony A7S, Sony Action Camera 1080p, and iPhone Xs. Would I need an Afterburner card (based on my config right now) if I want my video quality to be like MKBHD or Dave3D or even yours? I noticed that my quality was always bad (sorry I'm a newbie when it comes to video editing). Not sure if my hardware will likely be plenty enough.
Thanks in advance!
1) For RAM I'd suggest you check out this video of mine: th-cam.com/video/jIXQGJvpMVA/w-d-xo.html ... Yes you can add 2 more 8GB DIMMs and get 48GB (which is the config I'd recommend for you)... Ideally I do not like to mix and match RAM manufacturers, since CAS timings and such may differ, but since a lot of people have been replacing all of their Apple RAM with another one - I am sure you can fund 2 x 8GB Apple OEM DIMMs on eBay for cheap. That way you'll have identical RAM to 32GB in new Mac.
2) I never have enough storage. I'd go with 2. However, if Apple RAM is too pricy for you, go with 1, and simply buy a PCIe to NVMe card, and slot in a 2TB Samsung Pro or Evo for less, later on when you need to.
3) I think you meant to say W5700X (Apple's AMD GPU) ... It's not actually quite the same as 5700XT FYI ... I'd personally stay from 5700XT in MacPro .. I know a lot of people use them and are happy, but W5700X is a bit better card IMHO ... I tried making a video on 5700XT - and it flopped. I just had issues with it, Fans wouldn't spin enough to cool it in OSX, it'd crash my machine, etc. Stick w/ W5700X.
4) You do not need an Afterburner. The only thing this will help with if your native media is in ProRes format. Doubt your Sony records in ProRes (though I may be wrong), but regardless, Mac Pro is so fast that for what you're doing - you do not nee it.
4.5) Video quality depends on the camera (and even more on the light you shine at the scene)... Well lit scenes look good even on cheaper cameras, but more expensive ones can deal better with harsh conditions.
MKBHD uses a $50K+ Red Monstro for his videos, so if you want THAT good of a quality - you gotta use something insane. He records in 8K or 6K and downsamples to 4K for youtube upload. The sensors on those cameras record so much data, RAW, that when video is made smaller and then compressed it looks buttery smooth.
I use Canon EOS R and am super happy with it, much more than I was with my Panasonic GH5. I'd recommend it very much...
A trick you can do is also to shoot in 1080p, but make your video timeline in 4K - and publish your video as 4k video even though it was filmed in 1080p. On TH-cam - in some instances (like when filming with Canon R) this turns out into a really good looking video....
Main thing is - keep on experimenting... I still wish my videos looked better, but I'm getting there... Key always is the LIGHT. If you don't have expensive lights, film by your window. Nothing is as good as nice soft natural light ;)
Hope this helps.
@@SilfenPath Oh man, you're so detailed I wish I can thumbs up 100 times on this reply (yes you're right I meant to say W5700X. Thank you for your perfect answer and I'm glad there is someone like you for Mac Pro. I would love to communicate with you more via email or Discord if it's ok with you!. Let me know if you have one!
Nice work putting this together! Quality video. I agree with your recommendations and am looking forward to ordering mine when the W5700X is made available. What do you mainly use your system for?
Thank you. Mostly for running a VMware (virtualization) lab on it. Pretty much a copy of my production environment management cluster. About 256GB worth it stuff :)
Even really accurate in almost 2021^^ Thanks man
You’re welcome :)
Do you recommend uograde to 12 core now or maybe in a few years when they get cheaper?
In the video I believe I mention that if you are going with a base 8 core - might as well get a Mac book pro or an iMac / iMacPro. So I’d recommend getting at least a 12 core right away otherwise you are overpaying for what you’re getting (much more than we all are either way).
@@SilfenPath Thanks for the fast reply, I just received my 8 core version last week and when I edit my images through Lightroom and Photoshop the highest percentage i can use was 80%, so I don't know if its worth it for me to pay the extra $1000, and I do like those pcie slots in the Mac Pro that's why I didn't go with the iMac/iMac Pro...
It always depends on the workload. If you mostly edit photos - yea 8 core is fine. If you’re pushing through some videos - 12 core would do much better. Only reason I don’t recommend 8 core is because Mac Book Pro is pretty much as fast as that. But I get it with PCIe slots. That’s why I have a MacPro and every single one is in use hehe :)
@@SilfenPath I only edit videos once every six months or so to make a documentary video of my photographic work, I guess for me the 8 core should be fine for now...but yeah, the pcie slots are just awesome, i had to connect everything externally with my trashcan mac pro but now almost all the stuff i need can be connects with pcie, and the fact that we can have so many thunderbolt ports is just dream come true hehe
imagine being able to afford this
Great video, thank you!!
Hi Silfen, if one purchases the 16-core Mac Pro with single Radeon Pro Vega II Duo
, can another Radeon Pro Vega II Duo
card be added to connect future Apple Pro Display XDR's?
Thanks in advance!
Hi Rodney. Yep, you can do that. I got a single Vega II (non duo), for example, and have added an extra W5700X in my case for extra monitors and ports. If you add another Duo, you can interconnect them with a bridge for even more performance. In my case - I really just wanted extra thunderbolt ports more than anything :) However, some time next year I’m sure we’ll see RDNA2 based GPUs from Apple and AMD / which should be even faster.
Only other thing worth noting is that some apps do not know how to use multi GPUs properly (i.e. you won’t get double performance). In most cases - apps will use GPU that’s attached to the monitor they are being displayed on.
Hope this helps.
@@SilfenPath Thanks for the helpful reply!...Keep up the good work!
@@rodneydangerfield7153 - Will do. Thanks! :)
great video!!
Great video
Great...how does the 5700X play in configuration
now that it’s available?
I got two of Apple’s w5700x the other day and will test. Took two weeks to arrive. Should have a video up this week.
@@SilfenPath Awesome - look forward to it! Also, in addition to DSC, the 5700X's NAVI architecture will supposedly allow for hardware accelerated H.265/HEVC transcoding up to 4K60...which is something the Vega's do not offer, and unsure whether they can be upgraded to do so. Assuming that's tests out as true, for video editors, the 5700X's look like a great price/performance point for the Mac Pro.
Will have to test :)
Hi, can I check the Core and the RAM of the 2019 Mac Pro I’m about to buy please... If you see something wrong with the cores and RAM I’ve chosen then can you let me know ASAP please
2019 Mac Pro
3.5GHz 8‑core Intel Xeon W processor Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
48GB (6x8GB) of DDR4 ECC memory
Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory
8TB SSD storage
Stainless steel frame with feet
To use for…
Basically I’m disabled so my Mac has been my biggest tool for everything really so “Up Until Now“ I have always gone for the Mac Pro with the max configurations as being max config it will last me years longer and I’m a high end Mac user.
I use Photoshop - EverWeb - Final Cut Pro X - Logic Pro X - I’m in a rock band and whatever I make on videos / music / designs is always on the highest quality settings with no compromises.
I use 2 Display Monitors too.
with Logic Pro X I have a very simple setup I have a UBS Lead which plugs in to Shure Mics I record one thing at a time, easy. But I need POWER to do things and Input/export long complicated tracks fast :) … Soon I’ll be buy this for Logic Po X www.scan.co.uk/products/scarlett-2i2-3rd-gen-interface-usb-type-c-192-khz-24-bit-2-mic-pres-2-2-analogue-i-o
with Final Cut Pro X its simple I just record vids and gigs on my iPhone 11 Pro Max in 4K 60fps then import the long 4K vid into it to edit everything on my Mac Pro. But I need POWER to do things and Input/export long complicated vids fast :)
For fun I watch a ton of iTunes Movies and iTunes Shows which I download on 4 massive hard drives, I never stream as my broadband speed is awful as I live in a blackspot area etc.... Apart from that I’m a massive gamer I play World Of Warcraft - Warcraft 3 Reforged - Diablo 3 and soon Diablo 4 - Elder Scrolls Online - Observer - Layers Of Fear - and soon probably Lord of the Rings and Frostpunk when it comes out and hopefully Assassin's Creed Valhalla.... At present I have very high end Mid 2010 Mac Pro and I play all those games on medium to highest possible settings. I would love to record my gameplay but at the moment I can’t as whenever I try the recording always comes out jerky and never smooth even on the lowest settings... I never use Bootcamp as I can’t stand Windows.
Kain, I somehow completely missed your commend and I am sorry for that... It did not show up in my iPhone app, and I only saw it when I logged in via the Web!
I sincerely hope this is not way too late of a reply :-(
Here are my thoughts about your proposed config:
If your videos are from iPhone in 4K, Vega II is an overkill for this ... It'll game decently well, but W5700X games just about as good, and is almost as fast in a lot of tasks, so if I were you I would maybe save the money on GPU a bit and get a faster CPU ...
Here's my video on Vega II vs W5700X so you can make your own decision: th-cam.com/video/4xFEtegvA1Y/w-d-xo.html
Vega II is $2,400, and W5700X is a $600 add-on over 580X. That's a LOT of money if all you do video-wise (edit iPhone videos) and play a few not-so-demanding games.
8-core xeon is very *underwhelming*... As I say in my video, if this is what you want to get - then just go with a MacBook Pro instead ...
But - with the money you can save on not getting Vega II (but W5700X instead), you can use it to get a 16-core Intel Xeon W which you will be ridiculously happy with FOR A LONG WHILE. You said you want your machine to last - this is the CPU to get. Even if you get a 12-core, it's much, much better than 8-core option.
Even if by now you got your own config, it's still a great machine (especially with a super fast Vega II), but really the CPU would be the only upgrade I'd consider in it ...
Thanks and sorry for such a long delay :(
@@SilfenPath ha ha that's ok and yeah but late as I've just got a...
2019 Mac Pro 3.2GHz 16‑core Intel Xeon W processor Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
48GB 2933 MHz DDR4 memory
AMD Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory
8TB SSD storage
Stainless steel frame with feet
and its just amazing :) Games are finally epic too :) I love my new 2019 Mac Pro :) ... The only really shit thing is the Apple TV App its really idiotic compared to the old iTunes
Ah. Great news. Yes. That’s the config to get. Same as mine not counting 384GB ram and extra owc ssd card - but base from apple is identical. Enjoy it. I’ve sure been loving mine! :)
@@SilfenPathwhat you can fit in more than 2 SSD's inside the actual mac? I've got two 4TB SSD's making it 8TB... But if I known I could fit more SSD's inside I would?
Not from Apple, but via PCI Express slots. I got this one: th-cam.com/video/Dpg6C4yxgMg/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the well-explained video!
Thank you for a kind comment :)
@@SilfenPath Hey Silfen, please provide more video on upgrading RAM for Mac Pro!...Thanks in advance!
Please disregard above request...caught the link above!
When talking about the CPU, I would have mentioned that the 8-core CPU runs the memory at 2666MHz, and all the others run the memory at 2999MHz, so memory throughput will be 10% slower for the 8-core CPU. Yet another reason to avoid that 8-core CPU!
Agreed. Was bound to forget something ;), but it is at least a config I advise people not to get for other reasons. That is just another perfect example. Thanks!
@@SilfenPath Great video thanks! Even if the Ram is 2666, what do you think about the Xeon W-3175x, 28 cores at 3,1for 3000$, should be option in front of the 16 cores ? :)
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