Can we know the world other than by relating to it? Leave your thoughts in the comments. To watch the full conversation, head to iai.tv/video/on-the-nature-of-reality-rowan-williams-and-iain-mcgilchrist?TH-cam&
Do you remember when you became conscient of being? I am 86 now, yet I remember the instant in which I became conscient of reality and of being. My mother told me many years later that I was nine months old when I became conscient and start to call mama, mama. We are in reality prepared by nature during our gestation, to be ready to deal with reality. Reality is eternal and universal. To become conscient is like waking from a deep sleep, no more and no less. I remember vividly the sensation of waking and be able to feel in a world that was almost waiting for me and through my parents, welcomed me. This was my experience and for me we, and any living creature are systematically prepared for the reality of life.
William James believed that the life of religion consisted of the belief that there is an unseen order to the universe, and that our wellbeing comes from aligning ourselves with it. Science is man’s attempt to align with the physical reality of our universe, and religion is our attempt to align ourselves with the moral laws of our universe.
Matter is the modem for the spiritual which is to be up to the brightest to tune.. But first we must become liberated from the private space upon the collapse of the supply chain which sustains it
Fascinating! And some naive reflections of my own. Matter as a thing. Matter as a judgement. Both seem intertwined here. Matter exists as it has been determined to be such and such. Such and such has been determined to be important. Existence and importance. But not as static things. Nor as instructions written in stone. Matter as a manifestation of one's life in a living universe? If so, education seems to be: contemplation of listening to creation and decisions made by one and others of such importance. Matter matters in so many ways. Realistically and non-realistically if one assumes reality of existence trumps reality of judgement? And this interplay seems to flow in a ying-yang way. It combines what our senses perceive what creation reveals to us AND (importantly) how we respond to those things
The problem is when people ascribe non-physical properties to energy. Everything is entirely physical, including oneself and one's mind. When the structure of one's brain fails, so too does one's mind.
It seems more like physicality is a mental construct. A lower level perspective of reality wouldn’t need such a concept for how waves of energy interact, which is what I think the talk of relationships is getting at. Ultimately, love may be a truer reality than the concept of the physical world.
@@LouisWaweru 🤣🤣🤣. I recommend formulating your thesis with support from logical premises, if you want to formulate a coherent point anyway.... Lol. How waves of energy interact (Quantum Field Theory) literally is physics and how to determine the physical basis of such a system. If you're appealing to something like the Von Neumann interpretation of QM, know that it's logically contradictory and even Von Neumann himself later rejected it. Love is also physical/biological btw and requires zero faith. Before your last sentence, the only thing that could apply or make any sense whatsoever is math or information and from neither will one be able to derive the nonsensical magic you crave lol.
And yet we must leave room for what we don't know, and perhaps can't know. Love is one of those things that reminds us of the depth of mystery at the center of being itself. I understand little about QM but what seems evident to me is that at the center is a mystery that may never be solved incontrovertibly. Let us not assume that a predictive model of the quantum realm means we have the keys to the universe. It is only a model, not the thing in itself. I could say all the same things of consciousness (mind, not cognition).
The yogis in ancient India embarked on an investigation into the nature of the self 3000 years ago. The Buddha then took the incredible methodology and knowledge gained from the yogis and took the investigation further into realizing the true nature of reality 2600 years ago. These guys need to get the 14th Dalai Lama in on the discussion. The Dalai Lama could shed some light on the nature of reality and what consciousness is. This is the Buddha's area of expertise. Buddhist philosophy especially Tibetan Buddhism out of the Nalanda University tradition is very rational, scientific and can be validated. Our white male philosophical materialist western view of the world and reality is one way of viewing the nature of reality, however most of its premise falls apart when subjected to rigorous analysis and debate. We need to take our curiosity beyond the confines of our western point of view which is very restricting and limited in terms of who we are as a species and the reality we crate around us.
There are THREE possible explanations for life/existence: 1. The external, objective universe is the sole REALITY. 2. The perceiver (that is, the subject) of the objective universe is the sole REALITY. 3. This existence is a virtual REALITY, similar to the premise of “The Matrix” films. Which do YOU believe to be the most plausible explanation?
All roads lead home to our one infinite Creator no word can describe no image can compare one of infinite Realms of infinite energy of infinite intelligence one of whom never loses a single soul in Jesus is our messenger of love and forgiveness an example of what we can choose to be Cosmos our Heavens are full of free will the name of our Universal Game of Life. 3Conscious ATONED Christ like mind369 is WISDOMS universal aim of life in each individual heart mind body soul of time... cuz everyone's created IS CREATED equal complete unique individually Immaculate conceptions from first Light . learning the PowerHouse of our infinite Mind through all the stages and ages of family time. Coming of age and to Enlightenment answers our questions blowing in the wind for eons Who are we , where did we come from what is love, what is light, what is eternal third eyesight, and reveals gates open to our kingdom that lasts forever
Ukraine is winning and Russia is losing, that is 'reality' according to white intellectual philosophy. Eastern mysticism decided a thousand years ago that relity is related to the dual and non-dual, with physics and metaphysics.
Spooky at a distance , everything references each other magnets separated a particle into 2 parts both were then shot off into separate directions ,by using mirrors they altered the path of one of the entangled particles and the other particle also turned but were separated , spooky at a distance How do we know the expansion of the universe is like that particle , 2 or more seperate universes referencing each other any maybe just maybe the light bulb moment we get is influenced from that entangled universe and black holes are like the chewing gum that creates bonds from the seperation , wanting to be pulled back from the initial seperation but the outer forces are just right for it not to collapse like magnets Or have I lost the plot ?
Sorry, you have indeed lost the plot, just like your leaders who think Ukraine is winning and Russia is losing, how reality to the white supremacists reflect what their philosophers think, Iain or the idiot Dan Dennett, who pretends to understand QM/QC or GR and conclude consciousness is magic. Iain isn't that stupid but is far out from reality. We in the east have seen ups and down many times in the past 5000 years, but the west for the first time became the hegemon who thinks every thing works how they expect. Sorry, you are pathetic.@@thebeesnuts777
@@sonarbangla8711 Assuming what side I support , shows your ignorance , I never gave any views on Ukraine or Russia , how did you come to that conclusion ? Hate causes blindness Salaamun alaykum
Can we know the world other than by relating to it? Leave your thoughts in the comments.
To watch the full conversation, head to iai.tv/video/on-the-nature-of-reality-rowan-williams-and-iain-mcgilchrist?TH-cam&
No.
Do you remember when you became conscient of being? I am 86 now, yet I remember the instant in which I became conscient of reality and of being. My mother told me many years later that I was nine months old when I became conscient and start to call mama, mama. We are in reality prepared by nature during our gestation, to be ready to deal with reality. Reality is eternal and universal. To become conscient is like waking from a deep sleep, no more and no less. I remember vividly the sensation of waking and be able to feel in a world that was almost waiting for me and through my parents, welcomed me. This was my experience and for me we, and any living creature are systematically prepared for the reality of life.
Not the funniest episode of Between Two Ferns. Zach Galifianakis is aging well though!
Good comment.
All discourse and reflection lead to the same point. The origin of the discourse and reflection.
Philosophy:
You think = you are wrong = you think = you are wrong = ...
So mean of the Institute of A&I to cut the conversation off like that.
Are entities independent?
Wittgenstein and John Herny Newman respected intuitions.
12:22 Lower ī° are not always trustable
William James believed that the life of religion consisted of the belief that there is an unseen order to the universe, and that our wellbeing comes from aligning ourselves with it. Science is man’s attempt to align with the physical reality of our universe, and religion is our attempt to align ourselves with the moral laws of our universe.
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Matter is the modem for the spiritual which is to be up to the brightest to tune..
But first we must become liberated from the private space upon the collapse of the supply chain which sustains it
The privlaged private space of the nuclear family is contigent upon a robust supply chain which is not a given..
Completely synthetic and privlaged
@@TheWay-u1n, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Fascinating! And some naive reflections of my own.
Matter as a thing. Matter as a judgement. Both seem intertwined here. Matter exists as it has been determined to be such and such.
Such and such has been determined to be important. Existence and importance. But not as static things. Nor as instructions written in stone.
Matter as a manifestation of one's life in a living universe? If so, education seems to be: contemplation of listening to creation and decisions made by one and others of such importance. Matter matters in so many ways. Realistically and non-realistically if one assumes reality of existence trumps reality of judgement?
And this interplay seems to flow in a ying-yang way. It combines what our senses perceive what creation reveals to us AND (importantly) how we respond to those things
Everything has a reason but what is enough of a reason?
Omg. Interesting guys 😅
The problem is when people ascribe non-physical properties to energy. Everything is entirely physical, including oneself and one's mind. When the structure of one's brain fails, so too does one's mind.
It seems more like physicality is a mental construct. A lower level perspective of reality wouldn’t need such a concept for how waves of energy interact, which is what I think the talk of relationships is getting at. Ultimately, love may be a truer reality than the concept of the physical world.
@@LouisWaweru 🤣🤣🤣. I recommend formulating your thesis with support from logical premises, if you want to formulate a coherent point anyway.... Lol. How waves of energy interact (Quantum Field Theory) literally is physics and how to determine the physical basis of such a system. If you're appealing to something like the Von Neumann interpretation of QM, know that it's logically contradictory and even Von Neumann himself later rejected it. Love is also physical/biological btw and requires zero faith. Before your last sentence, the only thing that could apply or make any sense whatsoever is math or information and from neither will one be able to derive the nonsensical magic you crave lol.
And yet we must leave room for what we don't know, and perhaps can't know. Love is one of those things that reminds us of the depth of mystery at the center of being itself. I understand little about QM but what seems evident to me is that at the center is a mystery that may never be solved incontrovertibly. Let us not assume that a predictive model of the quantum realm means we have the keys to the universe. It is only a model, not the thing in itself. I could say all the same things of consciousness (mind, not cognition).
@@joshuabaehr44 That doesn't mean we have to fill the unknown with BS either lol. There's absolutely nothing mysterious about love whatsoever.
@@djayjp, in your own words, define “PHYSICAL”. ☝️🤔☝️
The yogis in ancient India embarked on an investigation into the nature of the self 3000 years ago. The Buddha then took the incredible methodology and knowledge gained from the yogis and took the investigation further into realizing the true nature of reality 2600 years ago. These guys need to get the 14th Dalai Lama in on the discussion. The Dalai Lama could shed some light on the nature of reality and what consciousness is. This is the Buddha's area of expertise. Buddhist philosophy especially Tibetan Buddhism out of the Nalanda University tradition is very rational, scientific and can be validated. Our white male philosophical materialist western view of the world and reality is one way of viewing the nature of reality, however most of its premise falls apart when subjected to rigorous analysis and debate. We need to take our curiosity beyond the confines of our western point of view which is very restricting and limited in terms of who we are as a species and the reality we crate around us.
The nature of *whose& reality?
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@UOU-xl7uf, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
There are THREE possible explanations for life/existence:
1. The external, objective universe is the sole REALITY.
2. The perceiver (that is, the subject) of the objective universe is the sole REALITY.
3. This existence is a virtual REALITY, similar to the premise of “The Matrix” films.
Which do YOU believe to be the most plausible explanation?
@@SRCX.ClimateResearch, so abstract objecs are FALSE?
@@SRCX.ClimateResearch, it is ABSOLUTELY not obvious to me.
All three.
The universe outside, the perceiver and the matrix are one and the same being.
@@SRCX.ClimateResearch the truth does not need to make sense.
@@SRCX.ClimateResearch the truth is what exists
What a bunch of nerds in the comments
All roads lead home to our one infinite Creator no word can describe no image can compare one of infinite Realms of infinite energy of infinite intelligence one of whom never loses a single soul in Jesus is our messenger of love and forgiveness an example of what we can choose to be Cosmos our Heavens are full of free will the name of our Universal Game of Life.
3Conscious ATONED Christ like mind369 is WISDOMS universal aim of life in each individual heart mind body soul of time... cuz everyone's created IS CREATED equal complete unique individually Immaculate conceptions from first Light
. learning the PowerHouse of our infinite Mind through all the stages and ages of family time.
Coming of age and to Enlightenment answers our questions blowing in the wind for eons
Who are we ,
where did we come from what is love, what is light, what is eternal third eyesight, and reveals gates open to our kingdom that lasts forever
Ukraine is winning and Russia is losing, that is 'reality' according to white intellectual philosophy. Eastern mysticism decided a thousand years ago that relity is related to the dual and non-dual, with physics and metaphysics.
Spooky at a distance , everything references each other
magnets separated a particle into 2 parts both were then shot off into separate directions ,by using mirrors they altered the path of one of the entangled particles and the other particle also turned but were separated , spooky at a distance
How do we know the expansion of the universe is like that particle , 2 or more seperate universes referencing each other any maybe just maybe the light bulb moment we get is influenced from that entangled universe and black holes are like the chewing gum that creates bonds from the seperation , wanting to be pulled back from the initial seperation but the outer forces are just right for it not to collapse like magnets
Or have I lost the plot ?
Sorry, you have indeed lost the plot, just like your leaders who think Ukraine is winning and Russia is losing, how reality to the white supremacists reflect what their philosophers think, Iain or the idiot Dan Dennett, who pretends to understand QM/QC or GR and conclude consciousness is magic. Iain isn't that stupid but is far out from reality. We in the east have seen ups and down many times in the past 5000 years, but the west for the first time became the hegemon who thinks every thing works how they expect. Sorry, you are pathetic.@@thebeesnuts777
@@sonarbangla8711
Assuming what side I support , shows your ignorance , I never gave any views on Ukraine or Russia , how did you come to that conclusion ?
Hate causes blindness
Salaamun alaykum
Lost me at "In a relationship you trust the other".
Yea, not always mate.
Quite boring.
I did listen, however, what a complete load of self serving tosh. Anything to maintain the noble lie.
It's neurology. Go and deal with your resentment, it's leaking out over everything!