Are you insane?! John Cleese and Iain McGilchrist on neuroscience and creativity
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Live on stage, John Cleese and Dr Iain McGilchrist come together to explore the place of imagination in our lives and culture, drawing both comedy, neuroscience, philosophy, and creativity - in an exclusive How To Academy conversation.
John Cleese co-founded Monty Python, the comedy troupe responsible for the sketch show Monty Python’s Flying Circus and the four Monty Python films: And Now for Something Completely Different, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Life of Brian and The Meaning of Life. In the mid-1970s, Cleese co-wrote and starred in the British sitcom Fawlty Towers. Later, he co-starred in A Fish Called Wanda and Fierce Creatures. He also starred in Clockwise, and has appeared in many other films, including two James Bond films, two Harry Potter films, and the last three Shrek films. On TH-cam, his appearances on The Graham Norton Show (with Lee Mack and Taylor Swift), on SCR2 (with Bill Burr, Jerry Seinfeld and Ricky Gervais), MetaMeet, BritBox (Policewomen sketch), RadioCentre (with Matthew Wright on blacklisting himself from Cambridge University), Byline TV, The Nightly Show, Robert Grimsby, Late night with Seth Meyers, Real Time with Bill Maher, LiveTalks LA, BBC Newsnight, Rebel Wisdom (on philosophy, spirituality and political correctness), Team CoCo Late Show with Stephen Colbert and Tom Tom Foundation - have amassed tens of millions of views combined.
Dr Iain McGilchrist is a psychiatrist, philosopher and literary scholar. He is a Quondam Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists and of the Royal Society of Arts, as well as a former Clinical Director of the Bethlem Royal & Maudsley Hospital, London. His previous book, The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World reached international recognition and acclaim and has placed him as one of the greatest thinkers and philosophers of our time. His new book is The Matter With Things. On TH-cam, his appearances on RSA (on the Divided Brain), Perspectiva (with Jordan Peterson), Jordan B Peterson (on a Brain divided and The master and his emissary), Tom Bilyeu (Everything you know about the brain is wrong), Russell Brand (Left vs Right - is your brain controlled by corrupt systems), Sam Harris (the divided mind), The Weekend University (Matter and Consciousness), Theories of everything with Curt Jaimungal (on Existence, being, the limits of reason and language), Rebel Wisdom (on certainty and flow), Awakening with Russell (why do we all perceive reality differently?) and Ralston College (The coincidence of opposites) - have amassed millions of views combined.
Thank you Iain and John for taking the time to try and wake us up
I am reminded of some graffiti I read on a cubicle wall in the gent’s toilet of the anatomy department at University College London, around 1993: “If the human brain was simple enough to understand, we would be too stupid to understand it”.
In my personal experience, there are many words containing profound wisdom written on the walls of gents' toilets.
"... the walls on which the Prophets wrote ....."
That wall?
@@heronimousbrapson863 Makes me wonder if the missing pieces are in the women's toilets.
And don't forget, the immortal wisdom of...
NO MATTER HOW YOU SHAKE AND DANCE, THE LAST DROP ENDS UP IN YOUR PANTS
@@daveshongkongchinachannel I stuck my my head down there to have a look but it’s gone round the bend.
Lovely men. Amongst all the cruelty I have suffered men like you two give me hope. Welldone. ❤️🕊🦋
Indeed !!😎
Yeah but you always choose the jerk so f..k Ur hope
My reality shifted a few years ago. My main delusion is that everything is predetermined. I wish i had known about all the dumb assumptions floating around in my head about others intentions and thoughts earlier (like situational delusions). At the same time i had "maladaptive daydreaming" until i was 28. Like it was a training ground for building up certain neural pathways. I am so glad how well you are doing.
Just upload the whole thing!
Whenever someone says the science is settled, you immediately know they know little about science.
Except when it's one of the big narratives of our time;-)
Well, yes and no. Science is never certain that’s true. However if one doubts the germ theory of disease or evolution, at this point they are being willfully ignorant at best.
@@Dialogos1989 Evolution is only possible within a species, so that statement is wanting
@@richardpickersgill3434 evolution happens among all species. If you mean that “a dog doesn’t produce a non dog”, well obviously. But that doesn’t challenge Darwinian evolution, that’s a description of an evolutionary principle, namely the law of monophyly. You don’t outgrow your ancestry. A eukaryote has always produced a eukaryote. Mammal a mammal etc. Evolution branches out like a tree. And it all starts with a common ancestor
@@richardpickersgill3434 you do not understand evolution, obviously.
Cleese is so bright and shows a refusal to accept crap
If the brain were so simple that we could understand it, our minds would be so simple that we could not.
Consciousness is "a", if not "the" fundamental underlying condition of the Universe.
I disagree. It is a purely biological construct to allow us to perceive the world. However the world is the world, with or without a consciousness to make sense of it. It will always be this way.
Existence exists.
As a former schizophrenic, I had to change all of my beliefs and ways of thinking. I didn’t know what my problem was and it took years to change all my habits of thought and I had to make a living. Half way through my training and service in the Army I found out that I had been schizophrenic. By that time I had recovered but I was still afraid of a relapse. I learned not to speak gibberish or believe in any of the delusions and hallucinations and I became symptom free.
I recently retired from a 30 year career with an airline working in a high security airport. I accomplished all of that entirely on my own without any medication or counseling or therapy. I didn’t even know what it was that I had. I was given the choice of trusting the doctor or going back to New Jersey to my parents. I had to trust my hallucinating delusional mind more than the advice of a trained physician.
I understand that not everyone can or should do that but just think how much taxpayer money I saved. I didn’t want to be dependent on anyone. I have my freedom.
Thanks for saving the taxpayers. I live in Canada and a huge chunk of my wages are lopped off for taxes... to cater to such mental and social concerns .... people are not taking responsibility like you did and I believe they should at least try ... or be encouraged to attain some measure of self sufficiency ....
@@Maxinator11-11 Yeah thanks! I wish the doctors would care.
@@Maxinator11-11 > saving the taxpayers
Saving the cattle. I mean human-cattle. Go vegan.
My reality shifted a few years ago. My main delusion is that everything is predetermined. I wish i had known about all the dumb assumptions floating around in my head about others intentions and thoughts earlier (like situational delusions). At the same time i had "maladaptive daydreaming" until i was 28. Like it was a training ground for building up certain neural pathways. I am so glad how well you are doing.
@@mckennasweda3614 Right, it’s like a training ground for what you will never learn because it’s all imagination anyway.
His books are profoundly engaging and enlightening.
Thankyou lovely special man who is real. Not in fashion at the moment. You and Stephan fry soothe my slashed soul.
another example - chemist Dmitri Mendeleev solved the framework that became the modern periodic table - through a dream
Archimedes took a bath for his Eureka moment.
August Kekule dreamt the Benzene ring by dreaming a snake swallowing its tail and visualized the atom arrangement.
@@rickh3714 The guy who came up with the idea of the DNA double helix first saw the double helix symbol in a psilocybin (magic mushroom) trip
@@kristofkovacs1742 Francis Crick was known to have experimented with Marijuana and LSD
This is going to be the best apocalypse ever ;)
worth the time because it is needed away from the rubbish on corporate Media
Enjoyable discussion; Prof Danial Dennett and also Robert Saoplsky would have plenty to add especially re evolution, culture and perception. Thank you very much, Merry Christmas!
Hi Michael, glad you enjoyed. We have actually had a talk with Robert Sapolsky! That can be found by subscribing to How To + here: howtoacademy.com/videos/professor-robert-sapolsky-the-biology-of-human-beings-at-our-best-and-worst/
Gad Saad too, very good on evolutionary psychology
Sapolsky doesn’t believe we have souls, and evolutionary theory is only a theory, also funded, and the Ivy and other top academic jocks doesn’t know how consciousness works while they want to displace us with AI.
@@artandculture5262 what do you think this term 'theory' means when used in scientific context?
Gravity is a theory, germ theory of disease is a theory, colour theory is a theory.
Your response suggests that you think 'theory' is like some unevidenced hunch or wild conjecture.
How so?
@@RichardEnglander 'theory' is the best conjecture at the time of known evidence. Take evolution, it is now known (again with our known evidence) that species cannot evolve into other species, only within a species.
There's a quote from the book "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" that sums up this topic for me...
"In the beginning God created the universe. This made a lot of people very angry."
There's two types of folk from opposing camps who when faced with that quote may chuckle a bit but be predisposed to want to start an argument.
There's also a bunch of folk who would would simply find the amusement in it.
I suspect that we will all be better off if the third group was calling the shots.
Thanks for this!
Excellent quote. Perfect summary. : )
Even as a Christian, I can appreciate such dry humour. I actually rather thought Adams was a comic genius with his never-ending witticisms, play-on-words comedy and ironic plot twists.
"To be or not to be?" - Shakespeare
@@bill8383
"I do bite my thumb, sir"
-Shakespeare (from Romeo and Juliet)
Absolutely correct. Our intuition is informed by all that has gone before. Our computer brain picks up patterns before our intellect kicks in. That’s why Baranson (?) would feel ill when things were wrong. It’s much informed than merely a gut reaction.
The popular CBC documentary The Divided Brain, based on the work of Iain McGilchrist, features many scientists and a funny scene with John Cleese.
Love this chat
You tell it as it should be' your the best John. Tommy Liverpool
I had both an imaginative and visceral response to this conversation. I feel compelled to attempt to put words to an image that was created in my mind. I see 2 humans tending a small fire completely engulfed in darkness. There is an enormous white elephant that is blocking out the sun. The words they speak stoke the fire and it grows brighter and hotter. I can feel the heat. Perspiration trickles down my side. The air is thick with tension. Will they rile the beast or will they walk the tightrope? I guess I'll have to watch part 2 to find out.
Uhhh...
im a bit confused about how the tightrope came into play ... but otherwise , interesting dream/ image
@@bill8383 For me, the conversation is a manifestation of the left brain informing the right brain so the right brain is able to think critically about how we as a society are using our right brain less and becoming increasingly led by our left brain to outcomes that are not in our best interests as individuals. The act of doing this is an act that requires immense precision. The societal left brain is on high alert. The current narrative discourges right brain participation. The act of mentioning the narrative is enough to create an emergency response from the left brain which ensures we do not drift off course.
@@bradknuppel2491 wow so old leftside is trying to help but knows that society may discard the person if it strays outside the srict cultural boundaries , which is predominantly left brain ... even though it knows also that the person needs to engage more rightbrain for the purposes of the persons best interest (outside of societal integration)
@@bradknuppel2491 are you aware of what the white elephant means?
Incredible incredible
Never been able to understand how so many geniuses ended up in the entertainment industry.
It's the most rewarding of all industries.
@@felixmidas3245, self awarding.
@@pyroboobysmith359 That too.
It's the best place to reach people that are needy
They obviously couldnt cut it, based on the far fetched poorly substantiated ideas they are bandying about.
Cool! :)
Yes
lol I'm reading his book right now:)
Even ‘play’ is overly controlled, prescribed and regulated by left brain these days, for children and adults. We must ‘colour within the lines’ or conform to accepted rules or scales. Flight away from these scares us in whichever direction.
Right brain terrifies us in the West and is very often mocked and degraded, or critiqued within narrow parameters. This might explain the recent (since the sixties) movement towards Eastern philosophies including Buddhism. They provide us with a gateway to the imagination and away from the neurotic limitations of social conventions, rationality and an illusion of freedom.
An interesting talk but just a warm up for part 2 I suspect where I would hope to find more bite.
Q: Why do children learn at a much faster rate than adults? A: Because they don’t think that they already know.
Yep. Just imagine if they were afforded the opportunity to learn in their first few moments of life. They would learn that the void is nothing more than space to be filled. And would look forward to filling it with excitement.
Not that you can stop a newborn child from learning at that point, but what do they learn?
I know I am, therefore I'm not
False
No, it has to do with the abundance of neuronal growth, which slows down dramatically in different stages as we age.
I pride myself on being stark staring insane. Anyone considered to be sane in this particular mental asylum is a danger to themselves and everyone that come into contact with them. Actually, I genuinely believe I am as perfect as anyone has a right to expect, it is you lot out there that worries me.
Hear hear jajajajaja
So what they are saying is that there is a worrying trend in the world to value mechanistic, robotic thinking (particularly in biology) but that even in science creativity and intuition are worthwhile, necessary and need advocates. But it takes 20 minutes to say this as they get stuck in a series of self-congratulatory loops.
Smart. The only thing I take issue with is that there is an acceleration in both lemming hood and power grabbing. It's always been prevalent. What has changed is the incredible opportunities for lemmings and mongers alike. Still, we define ourselves within our learned cultural milieu, and to think we can man the rudder and produce lasting change is hubris. Einstein, yes. Marx, really? He gets too much credit for a social change that was never predictable, as much as it turned out pretty good. (undergrad anthro, retired surgeon) Look at Exodus, we've come a long way, but haven't really changed very much.
Last time I checked in, yup.
Not to insult your culture but when I first arrived in London back in the 80's, having studied in undergrad college English Lit I was expecting to find authors similar in nature to those classic writers out of England. I was sorely disappointed and found triteness more common than deep and profound epiphanies in the personalities of those I encountered (living in London maybe 2 years on and off-going onto the continent). But....I was restricted. I think the culture has changed dramatically since those 19th Century authors penned their classics. I was subjected to people of absolute trite pettiness who are still involved in "The Arts" at the pinnacle of the wealth society of London (not many of them, just a few and only one is more than I can bear for any more than 5 minutes of their smug and sinister approach veiled in polite sarcasm). Sorry I sound so prejudiced I realize I have to be wrong I have tried to prove in some way that I am incorrect but when you two above are discussing how culture is being destroyed that is the cue for me to join in and say, yes, I definitely agree with at least your assessment of modern society. Maybe it was Neo-liberal economics that changed everything into superficial consumer society meaningless and based only on superficial appearance of wealth and attainment. This is a huge generalization I hope you will forgive me I don't mean to sound petty...
Simplicity is a purely human concept…a construct for operating in the world
I'd like to hear Dr. McGilchrist's description of his first living experience.
Given that Sciencing is probabilistic analysis of Observational Theoretical Measurement Actuality.., probability is observed between 1-0 and No-thing-defined eternally, it's the No-thing-defined eternally that is not understood to be time duration timing modulation manifestation of some imagined probable connectivity. Logarithmic Time, QM-TIME Completeness Communication.
"To me, crazy frog is just normal frog,"
-The Joker
1:50 start
"Everywhere we remain unfree and chained to technology, whether we passionately affirm or deny it. But we are delivered over to it in the worst possible way when we regard it as something neutral; for this conception of it, to which today we particularly like to do homage, makes us utterly blind to the essence of technology." - Heidegger
"Science and Sanity" - Alfred Korzybski
We are being trained to be machines and fear autonomous machines. Think about that.
Two Yorkshiremen Sketch
Daniel Dennett and Robert Sapolsky
Very enjoyable. I'm amazed that educated people are still embracing evolution as a fact as I once did. I thought it was still a theory, one that has, it seems, massive holes in it. Love your work, thanks.
I'm amazed that people still don't understand what 'theory' means in a scientific context. That people seem to think it is a hunch.
The theory of gravity is a theory too, are you denying the fact of gravity?
@@RichardEnglander please dispense with the nonsensical grandstanding, it serves no purpose. These are the disciplines that have grave concerns with evolution, Information theory, biochemistry and permutations / combination mathematics. Have you familiarized yourself with these disciplines vis a vis evolution ? I and many others have. Combined they give rise to the probability that proteins randomly coalesced in a primordial soup, proteins whose instability would mean decay within hours, randomly became infinitely more complex (gained information) until they became humans, is virtually zero. Of course there is much more to it than this precis. We know mutations are always problematic to an organism and often results in their inability to replicate, more usually their death. With an undergrad Hons degree in science Richard I know what a theory is. A good theory has predictive value based on probability, evolution is more like a very well entrenched fantasy based on flimsy observations that has gained popularity and is now an industry in itself. I'll be happy to continue this correspondence after you've spend the decades of reading and study into this field as I have. All the best.
@@gregorybaillie2093 ^ word salad dude.
And full of holes, it seems that you don't even know how selection pressures work.
@@RichardEnglander I'm well aware, pity your not, go embarrass yourself elsewhere.
@@gregorybaillie2093 whatever dude. It is fascinating how you target at me, ad hominem
Tell me, what evidence would change your mind?
And how did humans and the other life become what it is if we and it didn't evolve?
Loved listening to them talk and listen to each other here, both proud to be WOKE and Blacklist Themselves….
All I want to say
Is: PLAY
Thanks for the video.
Like most, JC and IM suffer the intentional misdirection of science from the time of Teslsa.
When big money took over the world.
Great conversation, but poor sound quality coming through.
Yup i di doo dar!
seeing humans as machine is just a relic of people being aware of the fact that we have built machines which are a poor mimic of what we already are. what people see as machines are digital, step after step, where as life is running a creative program
I think in order to progress, we must stop holding Einstein up as the barometer for success.
#Truth Thank you both so much for attempting to speak reason to the cult of modern intellectual mechanical dogma. Merry Christ mass
Not saying there isn’t an after life. I feel there is. But that is not a truth. I agree my gut spasms when I feel I am being hoodwinked.
It’s more about tribalism and fitting in. If you expose yourself to different things you may get laughed at!
Reality is not static or uni-dimensional.
I've always said that people are becoming more & more like robots!
Quite
Two old men waking up to the fact that when they put unborn babies on the chopping block, they put themselves there also.
11:58 12:50 Something I've noticed with Brits is this unintentional, genuine humor. Either by accident or for the sake of the joke itself, but NOT for _being funny_ .
Never change, lads.
you take a bunch of dead matter from dirt and put them together in complex ways and you make a computer with an interface so magnificent that most people cannot understand it and yet people don't want to accept that consciousness is , or at least can be, a
product of the complex arrangement of neurons.
you open up the computer and say this part does the processing and this part deals with memory but by god we don't know how all of that comes together, well it comes together with the software and the software of the brain is what people like to call the soul.
Lies accumulate starting with the big one communists perpetrate, there is no God
@@alandinsmore1186
The idea that there are no Gods has been around thousands of years before the Communist Manifesto was ever written.
Of the thousands of God's man has created which ones are real ?
Usually people say the real one is the one they just happen to believe in. Odd & happy coincidence isn't it.
Would love a conversation between Ian and Douglas Hedley
I didn't watch much of this, but i liked the joke where Cleese comfortably mentioned that universities didn't take him up on his lecture offer.
Consciousness as a self-aware authorship is bunk. It's automatic. Seeing it as an imprint of the surrounding world makes it make sense. People who want to keep pretending their own godhood will keep sounding stupider and stupider, and then they'll disappear.
We're all completely hypnotized beyond all recognition. The sensation of recognition is built into the system. Behaviourally, it's somewhat of a bug, and it'll get ironed out.. before or after we're all dead, either way. ❤️
Living apart from evolutionarily outmoded recognition patterns as a communal material interconnected constant seems pretty normal. Somewhere in our evolutionary past we sensibly concentrated, in experience, upon things/behaviours that we no longer find to be what we feel is the focus of our attention. The same can happen to what we currently feel to be a worthy focus, such as the assumption of our autonomy.
Just as we recognize the order of seasonal patterns and other natural processes, the understanding of all human behaviour is based upon sequencing. This sequencing being inextricably linked with all other things.
"and then they will disappear" Let it be so... amen?
That's the way it sounds =). But that's the "god checker." The funky thing is is that words themselves melt into equality with other things as a perceived fluctuation in entirety. So basically, "humans" get used to their equality with things, and their brains experience form as an ultimately static fluid... as they say, i think that makes sense.
Rajoy = Cleese !
Convenience destroys
It's too bad that this was recorded at such a low volume.
Cleese should take his own advice about Dunning Kruger and not be so quick to think the experts are all silly.
I would love to hear John Cleese talking to Rupert Sheldrake and Wallace Thornhill. That would be exceptional. This talk has been incredibly insightful.
In the words of Pink Floyd "I've been mad for f.ckin years, absolutely years"
John Cleese's real name is Cheese.
They laugh, fascinated by the degree of idiocy surrounding us everywhere. Irrational brainless Era
Part 2 is privtae?
Hi PromoMiR - Part 2 comes out on Friday!
The fact that our unconscious minds can process thoughts in no way supports this wacky ideas of souls and magical nonphysical entities. Most of this can be solved by better defining ideas like consciousness and life etc.
Even if it can be explained it still may not be understood.
Don't tell me
Don't kill the messen---. Don't kill the metaphor?
So we're taken over by machines. Now we're on holliday --- Sadhguru
A Podcaster named Tim Dillon called our culture "Autistic"...and I am struck by the idea that Dr. Mc Gilchrist are on the same wave length so to speak.
Our fear of rouge AI is probably the same fear that made "God" break contact with humanity.
Rouge AI = CCP?
I disagree with JC's comment about Richard Dawkins not needing to read Ruperts ideas.... As he spouts pseudoscientific woo most of the time.... The very thing up for discussion here.
I think Rupert is clearly very smart and has some interesting ideas. Writing him off as pseudoscientific woo is circular reasoning imo
Mate we are on a ball floating in the black abyss. We have no idea about most stuff. The woo is real ✨👍
Nevertheless we are watching this because of an algorithm.
Is an 'A' grade student 'intelligent', or just a very adept copyist? A wonderful box-ticker? Very good at doing as s/he is told? Trying to please their parents? Desperate to be seen as 'superior', or 'wise'? Thinking only about the rewards for ticking the reward givers boxes in the order the reward giver wants them ticked? Subservient through apathy and/or greed?
More importantly, would a true intelligence not allow itself a margin of error, just to avoid these possible self-destructive pitfalls? Or at least consider their possibility?
If only we had worked with truth when the chance arose.. (Or perhaps you think you don't need to look at it?)
spaceandmotion
Dawkins was right though. Rupert Sheldrake is barking up the wrong tree.
This made me realize just how ugly the Great Reset is , how ugly these dangerous vaccines are, and how evil the lock-downs are. Btw, I remember the Dawkins/Sheldrake incident. Dawkins should have been stripped of all his university degrees for that.
Well, being uninformed as sheldrake wants to keep people I can see your error. Dawkins was already familiar with shedrakes lame work, why read more? Sheldrake s entire system is based on misrepresenting science. He makes claims based on pop science headlines not actual science, unfortunately most people buy it because that’s what they do.
Religion seems to have been replaced with internally guided and self-centred morality. Sounds good but it leaves people yearning
Or rather giving monied bored people a three second thrill at they expense of our energy ravished planet.
I don’t believe in Fauci, so I gather I’m must be sane.
Unfortunately science has become so corrupted, any aspiring researcher learns very quickly that if they want to have a career they need to publish on what is trendy or cool, topics that attract funding or topics that have 'novel' findings. The creative leaps necessary to generate useful hypotheses that move science forward in a meaningful way are also more risky. Consequently, many researchers opt for the 'straw man' approach, designed in such a manner that they almost guarantee confirmation of their hypotheses. Editors don't publish papers that confirm null hypotheses, or replicate previous studies (all essential for building a body of work that can be regarded as empirical science). It is also very rare for scientists with opposing views to discuss their research with each other. This might also explain why we seem to understand less now.
Art does not enjoy the same status in a world where science has become the new religion, and faith in technology is seen as the answer to everything. This has blinded us to the world around us while the incessant pursuit of progress, at all costs, strips away everything that makes life worth living. This has led me to conclusion that to find truth, you might be better turning to art than science!
What lies beyond is something that any fool tells us they-know is insane. Religion is to me a form of this insanity to avoid our immortality.
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I thought that the left/right hemisphere theory had been debunked years ago. I'm surprised the good professor brought it up.
You are thinking about the old pop science theory. The Master and his Emissary and the new book he has worked on for 10 years is about his new(er) theory of the divided brain.
It's something we can test and recognise in ourselves
Consciousness and the brain but not once the body. Does the right hemisphere exist outside a relationship with the body? Is the body irrelevant and just an option? This is redundant and poorly conceived. I love both these guys and their concerns but seriously… the body is so irrelevant it doesn’t need a mention. Talk more about muscular motions and their relation to thinking!
Love Cleese but quit sugar before you pop.
Have neuro-scientists identified the part of the brain that facilitates a belief in god?
Depends what you mean by "belief", "God" and "identified"...
@@manlikeJoe1010 Your reply depends upon what you mean.
@@happinesstan the meaning of my reply depends on the meaning of your original comment 😉
Yeah it's the area that allows for gullibility. 🤔
Omg bored to tears, the world isnt changing as much as your perspective, good night
Sorry but as human beings it’s about time that we all admit away from clap trap religious stuff that the only certainty is death over which we will never have control.
Yuck-kcuY
Quackery.
Wow! Aren't you clever 🙄!
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ya and so what ... we can still speak english right. What do people get out these dull institutional mud making summits?!
Misleading Bait-click title. Nuff said.
Wow someone believes something, yawn. Next.