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You’re doing such excellent work!! And JP is an excellent thinker. You give him so much space to express. He is brilliant, and thus only makes sense that he is hated. A Holy Fool. I relate. So accurate about the way he can be perceived, but interviews between great thinkers like this sheds the bright light. My ex is from the UK and disliked Jordan so much. Our 8 year relationship ended when we listened to Jordan Peterson’s marriage episodes… and he squirmed the whole time. I agreed with everything and my ex hated it - every last bit of it and only heard arrogance in JP, disliking him so much. Fascinating that JP really highlighted something for us!! My ex didn’t like me just as much. Lol Thanks to you both for showing up!! Brilliant male leaders of our time.. I’d love to interview you both …from the Yukon :)) 🙌 🙏
Thanks for giving your guests time to pause, be silent, and think about their answers. Real conversations must allow for people to gather their thoughts. You’re a great listener and that’s why I love your podcast.
Absolutely -- silence is so important. Not every conversation has to be filled up with words all the time. That's why I so much prefer one-on-one interactions as opposed to group conversations; lower probability of interruptions and being rushed on to the next topic by person A (for instance), when persons B or C might still have something to say on the previous topic. Great comment 👍
Instead of asking "How do I find the right person for me", The right question is: "How can I learn to offer something to someone else that would make me eminently desirable" Love the way that question was turned around.💯👌🏾
Its funny cuz he talks about being honest, speaking his thoughts, and having a compromise with the truth when it comes to having an intellectual debate, but when asked how honest one has to be to find a compatible romantic partner, he goest like "straight up lie to make yourself desireable". Once you do anything that forces you to change just to be desireable to someone else, you are already lying and manipulating the other person.
This is effectively the red pill rhetoric of ‘make yourself high value’. Stephen’s answers were even worse, he never once said I’m a kind person, loving, caring, comforting etc
Can we take a moment to apprecite Steve? What an interviewer. What a smooth conversation. You are the definition of a successful podcaster. This is my very first ever comment on YT, but I couldn't hold myself.
Theres no way someone so traumatised and intentionally subtly hateful could know what love is. Abandonment / Neglect , the wound from what never happened .
Jordan Peterson seems to stir strong reactions, even though his message clearly isn’t for everyone. I don’t understand why people struggle with the idea that you don’t have to completely agree with someone to let them speak. While there are aspects of his message I don’t fully align with, I recognize that, overall, it’s a message that’s deeply needed today-especially for boys and men. I’m glad I had the chance to hear him speak in Minneapolis.
its funny how women & particularly liberals, talk about what Jordan Peterson says as if he's saying crazy, insane things. how this man thinks is how 100% of people were pre-2006 before all the weird "woke" stuff came about. people understood: marriage=good, God & bible=good, sex before marriage=bad, families=good. then at some point around 2006 everybody lost their minds & went woke & normal people like Jordan Peterson were considered bigots because he "hurt their feelings" with his views. JP says start by "cleaning your room" as the foundation to getting your life together. which is simple, great advice that we used to give to kids, now woke liberals get angry about it. we live in a woke clown world now lol smh
very well said! I think part of the problem (and this is going to make me sound so old) is the younger generation. Sadly, they've been coddled to the point of not understanding that healthy, respectful, civil human discord includes exposure and dialogue with perspectives that may not align with your own. There's this attitude of almost complete disregard with views that differ. I wonder if part of the problem stems from how much they've been raised in a digital environment that promotes hiding behind a screen, siloed in your own echo chamber vs encouraging healthy, face-to-face human discussion.
We live in a highly polarized and tribalistic society. "You are either unconditionally for us or you are utterly against us and our enemy". Compromises are rarely welcome. This is a sickness.
Lots of folks jumping to JP's defense, taking stabs at me for sharing my observation. It's all good; no harm done. But look, this isn't about JP providing clear well articulated responses that demand longer focus to "understand". JP increasingly wanders all over the cognitive map, fire-hosing "things he knows" (that may even be true), without really providing clear digestible responses. I am a big believer in that the topics being discussed are complex, and that everything is connected in some way. So I understand his penchant to wander and pull from here and there as he responds. But he goes further than that, and these days, often seems more focused on demonstrating how much he knows, versus providing a clear well focused response. (as seen in his debates with either Matt Dillahnuty & Sam Harris). When he doesn't have the answer, he seems to struggle with just acknowledging that, versus throwing out a plethora of connections in an attempt to construct the answer before us. Just my two cents. No insult to JP or any of your intelligence.
I met my husband when we were in middle school. We were friends and then dated for 6 years from senior year of high school. We moved out together and got engaged and then bought a house together and got married 2 years after. We've been together for almost 20 years now. In the beginning we loved each other and that was that but it takes work. He is my best friend and I'm his best friend. It took a lot of work. We got married because we picked each other to go through this thing called life. I am there to support him through thick and thin and he's there to support me through thick and thin. We both grew up in Broken homes so we are determined to work together so that we could give our daughters the best that we could and show then what a relationship should be like.
@earx23 so true! It definitely wasn't easy and it took work but we both knew we were in it together. Like the honesty thing, during our rocky time about 13 years in we did go to marriage counseling. We decided to create a safe space for us to express our feelings and what was bothering us. Like a space for us to be vulnerable. At times it was uncomfortable but it has been rewarding. I feel like we've taken our relationship to the next level. But yes, lots of upstream swimming. 😅
I 100% CHOSE to be in my relationship. Went through whatever it was that I needed to go through. Had so many life experiences and didn't meet my SO until I was in my 30's. Sought him out a few years later bc I was finally ready and, thankfully, so was he. For some reason it makes me feel better (and centers me) that i chose this relationship and I will continue to choose it every day.
Why can't peole listen to things with an unbiased view? You do not have to agree with everything, yet you can learn a lot from listening. It's just critical thinking, guys.
For me it's mainly the intellectual disrespect of people like Peterson that present their own personal view as some kind of universal truth with bad faith argumentation. But I guess that's why people come here, to categorize things into simple black and white statements. Do this, don't do that, otherwise you're a failure. Constant self-improvement to get rid of that burning anxiety regarding ones own self worth.
@@janfrank3453 If the world ran on everyone doing nothing but "self-improvement" we would all be like the character Christian Bale played in American Psycho. A bunch of Patrick Bateman's running around. If you think about it, that would result in more billionaires, which is exactly what we are seeing, a 10% increase in the past year of billionaires. We went from 66 billionaires in 1990 to 813 in 2024. We are a society ruled by an oligarchy that is slowly adding members to it's psychopathic tribe.
I actually love how open steven was with what he is wrestling with in his understanding right now. That opened this up so much more. Im a big believer in that churches and pubs are what used to build community in the uk, both now disappearing. Me and my children have been going to church for a year, we talk about how we feel about the stories we listen to and how they allign with our own values but the biggest gift has been the sense of community we all have and the joy we are able to spread amongst that community. In turn my faith has also grown. This really has been such an enjoyable podcast episode
I really love this comment. I’m an expectant father and am hoping my family will come to church with me even to begin with just to be IN the community. God bless you
I learned a lot, but what struck me most was that the key to living a full life is to live a life with meaning, and we get meaning by finding ways to serve ourselves and those around us in the best way possible, always aiming for the highest good of all possible scenarios, at all possible levels.
@@SevillaILoveit's not about disagreement though. Its literally saying or doing nothing when you see others do wrong. Discrimination is an easy example
I’ve watched many interviews with Jordan Peterson. The character question at about 16:57 is the mark of a world-class interviewer. Going where no one else has gone.
I know Peterson's voice. I listen to him almost daily. I think he has a cold or a bit of something. So good on him for plugging through and showing up to the interview. So much respect for this man! Love him so much.
I have a very miserable self centered colleague and I always say get her a plant or a goldfish any being with needs to get her focus off herself and onto another entity it will do both parties good IMO
I had a lot of social anxiety when I was younger. I was super self conscious, to the point where I couldn't enjoy myself socially & was always finicky about some aspect of myself that surely must've been annoying for others to witness. It was exhausting & frustrating to experience. Then, one day a wise person said, "Relax, people are too busy thinking about themselves to focus on you... It's not all about you." And she meant it in a good way. She wasn't accusing me of being selfish. But simply stating that I'm not that important for people to be waiting at the door to turn a spotlight on me & pick out all of my faults, like my anxiety lead me to believe... When I learned to focus on others & to bring attention to others by expressing genuine joy when Id see them, or by offering to help or serve them, etc. ALL of that anxiety went away... I've heard people say that people don't always remember what you say but they always remember how you make them feel. People who are self conscious & insecure are more likely to be defensive, uptight, etc. Who wants to be around that? I had to teach myself to lighten up & take the focus off myself & all the weird little quirks I thought I had & to draw people in by practicing hospitality, etc. Every little gathering we have at our home I am focused on making others comfortable & it's wonderful! I know insecurity is common throughout one's teens & 20s. That was the case for me and many acquaintances of my youth. But much of that dissipates over time with experience & maturity if we have a growth mindset. And it's beautiful & worth it! To whomever is reading this, enjoy the adventure of discovering who you are & of striving towards who you could be! God Bless
Pornography destroys intimacy. It also breaks people's brains. Is your brain on your spouse during sexual intimacy, or is your spouse just a physical sex partner while your mind is focused on some pornographic image/fantasy? Who are you really with? Are you with a real person that you love, or are you with some fake thing in your brain? Why would AI and robots with AI being touted as an alternative to having relationships with real people a thing? People are selfish and are looking for gratification without having to give of themselves. Take take take. Real love is about what are you willing to do for the good of someone else. Love is sacrificial, kind, patient..there is none of that in pornography.
Pornography to men is like birth control and dating apps to women, but even more damaging to women. Both allow the sex's to get something they think they desire without the meaningful side of the desire that's actually helpful. Pornography can be stopped and fixed relatively easily. But delusions created by real life experiences women have because of birth control and dating apps are not easily forgotten or realized. The amount of context needed to understand this is actually pretty deep and unfortunately most of you just won't understand what I'm actually saying.
Baudrillard comes to mind, none of our experiences are wholly authentic. Most young men and to a large extent women have had thousands of hours of sexual "training" before they've ever been with a real women. Then they act out what they see on the screen. As you've are you ever fully present? or are you acting? How would u make love if you never saw any media of it? Would it be an expression of you and your creativity and not a hyper bounded act that u wouldn't dare stray away from the quietly acceptable things uve seen others do? Furthermore, there is a pretty large delta between what makes corn exciting to watch visually and what making love actually entails. 1 small detail is missionary where you are embracing eachother. This is a very rare "position" in corn as it covers the female body and the penetration, but is almost certainly preferable to this seperated robotic thrusting in corn. Of course the details like this are virtually infinite. The most frustrating thing for me is no one really ever told me corn was bad for me. I mean of course I heard people say it but it came from such puritanical voices it was so easy to write off. It was so normalized, and as I had a relatively healthy sex life in my teens and twenties i never much considered how much damage it was truly doing. Its insane its only caught any real mainstream negativity in the past few years. I do wonder what my sex life could have been had i never watched it. 1 final thought. I think besides the obvious monkey brain gratification, the second impetus to watch is curiosity/fear of not knowing what you are doing in bed as a man. But you learn as you get older that attentivness is primarily what is going to get your women there, women are not dumb creatures they are going to let you know what feels good, and they are all different no matter how "good" you are without the attentiveness they are going to be disappointed anyways. Corn destroys that attentivness, because again you are not there in the moment with her, you are pasting some video over her and acting it out. These things are very subtle but if u dont think we cant percieve the lack of connection in those moments you are dreaming.
You’re putting the cart before the horse. I would prefer the real thing, but the real thing doesn’t prefer me. Furthermore there are plenty of places where it’s illegal, like China, and yet they are having their own relationship crisis. Jordan is just wrong on this topic.
1. Just because you don’t agree with everything someone has to say doesn't mean he doesn't have valuable things to say. 2. Listening to well-articulated ideas you disagree with is a great way to refine your own philosophical outlook. 3. Those in the comments refusing to actually listen and engage in good faith are robbing themselves of an opportunity to grow. Criticizing Stephen for taking the time to have this discussion demonstrates a lack of intellectual integrity and betrays the very intractable, ideological thinking Peterson preaches against. Love him or hate him, Dr. Peterson is an intellectual giant and his ideas spur discussions this culture desperately needs to have. His books and lectures will outlive him and his voice shouldn't be ignored, particularly if you think he’s speaking in error. Thank you for giving him a safe and legitimate platform.
I have listened to this man several times with an open mind continually lie & misinterpret facts to fit his narrative is not worth my time. I gave hours of my life listening to JP to try and give this man a chance only to catch lie after lie AFTER LIE. Why on earth would I continue to give the one thing we cannot get back in this life (time) to him when he has proven he gains pleasure for wasting it & conning people with open minds?
Whereas I was fed up with all the word salad he’s so famous for. Just answer the question with a yes/no bro. Steven had to try 3 times and got virtually nowhere lol
@@vintagebeliever5023 oh I am very calm. I listened to his whole long-winded meandering blah blah blah in an attempt to not answer the question directly. What's he so scared of? Do you believe in God? Yes or no? Should be an easy one unless you are trying to hide something... smoke-and-mirrors man
@@jjharr5168 I feel like it’s obvious what he believes. But it’s clear that Steven needed it simplified more for himself as he said he’s searching. I feel like he should’ve asked why do you believe not what
52 minutes in. I lived with my wife for 10 years before marrying. 20 years in now and I'm still in love with her and I believe that she is with me. Life is good. Steven I too used to wrestle with the concept of marriage as my own parents divorced when I was 10. I decided I wanted to be married to my partner for reasons I struggle to put into words, I just wanted to I suppose. I wanted her to know just how much she meant to me in a way that words alone could never do. She never seemed interested in marriage and we never really spoke about it until I felt the need to do so. I wouldn't change a thing. It'll feel right when if and when supposed to feel right.
You went in with a good heart and was committed. God would not have that broken apart. Not everyone has the same luck so marriage is essential for people who come in disguise. However was she your first partner? You didn’t talk about that.
You're spot on, similarly to you I have lived with my partner for what will soon be 10 years and we are thinking of getting married soon. We are not religious and were not pressured to do it. We decided on it mutually when one of us brought it up. No reason to jump into a marriage if you don't even know if you've got, in your hands, a sustainable relationship that's withstood the test of time and it's tribulations. Edit: And yes she was my first partner.
Such an important discussion. It’s crucial in a society that feels increasingly isolated. Building stronger bonds could be the key to addressing loneliness and restoring balance, What do y’all think?
In order to build genuine: "strong bonds" with people, individuals need to have a strong sense of -- living their everyday life -- Ethically, with: "Truth & Respect" -- having a strong sense of "right vs wrong", & "avoiding gossip". But then most people, when examining themselves -- might subliminally consider that to be a "boring life"; resulting in people "Not Changing", & everyday life remaining the same, with its built-in Consequences. We've all gotten so accustomed to being "Entertained", & Not examining our own everyday behavior -- which usually involves gossiping (about people) that We believe We have a right to gossip about -- especially if they are a "public figure" -- without understanding the (long-term impact) that it could have on "Society", as a whole. It always has & always will boil down to: "Our own Individual behavior" & whether We are striving to do (Right vs. Wrong).
The biggest improvement of my development's tempo was when I figured out that 'a world can live without me, while i can't live without a world'. That snapped my thinking and doing in entire way.
I've had several attempts to listen to end-to-end interviews of Jordan Peterson. But I've never been able to make it all the way through and despite your amazing interviewing skills, this one was no different. I don't need to agree with him to listen, and there were many elements that I could agree with him. He presented great explanations to some questions - I especially loved the distinction between judge and condemn. But there are points where I feel he speaks well to people who will be in agreement with him and he does a poor job at engaging people who may be open to listening but don't come in with the same opinion. I really struggled with him answering questions with "it's a complicated question," and "you need to read the book." It personally gave me a sense of him saying - "this is all too complicated for the average person to understand, and you should have a sense of faith in what he is saying without the element of building trust." This is a shame, because I think that for those who are addicted to the ease of many trappings of modern life. They are probably not going to be convinced to step out of it by a premise that is all just a little bit too complicated.
You need to watch it all then because thats not what he's saying. Life is complicated and simple edicts just wont cut it if you really want to understand and conquer your demons. Jordan can talk for literally hours just answering 1 simple question, but not all of it has to be of value to you personally so if he's directing you towards his book its likely because theres more depth in the book than he can be afforded in a 2 hour podcast.
I share aspects of your reasoning. My intention is to jettison a lot more of this way of listening to capable thinkers. I want to not reactively impede my exposure to valuable insights because I over weight my negative judgement of a part of their expression or worldview.
It is interesting that you interpreted “it’s a complicated question, read the book” as Jordan undermining the listener and wanting them to have blind trust. My interpretation was vastly different. I appreciate you sharing your perspective, as it sparked me to question and think. I interpreted JP’s answer as a confirmation that “all or nothing thinking” is not a good idea (in this circumstance and any circumstances really). Often one believes in this AND this, AND this AND this, it isn’t a question of either you believe in THIS or THAT, it can be a complex compilation of many truths and beliefs. It is very clear that JP believes in God/the highest value in the hierarchy of values/a construct or medium for human optimization. The specifics of what that exactly “looks like”shouldn’t really matter, it doesn’t change the goal. Steven was asking specifically what form the god JP believed in took, possibly in hopes of being enlighten with a visual picture that SB could buy into as he wrestles with his own questions about God (like many). It just really isn’t that simple, and not something JP is capable of making any more concise. Not only is there no real answer to this question (JP clarified that he derives his beliefs from what he has found evidence to be actually true), I don’t think Jordan has a “man up in the sky” specificity to his belief a higher power. I understood from his answers that JP full heartedly believes there is a God/highest value in which he move towards, he knows it is absolutely necessary to do so, he doesn’t think it is necessary to know exactly what form God takes in order to believe, and he continues to strive to explore truth’s to discover and share everything he learns on the subject. I personally like this more broad idea of a higher power, and hearing about JP’s deep dive into the biblical stories that have literally shaped our modern world. This approach is very informative and comprehensible to me. The themes of these biblical stories recur throughout history, and presenting it to today’s society in this understandable and plausible way encourages people to come together for a greater good, to explore and realign our connection with others, drawing on values and faith, no matter what form one’s construct of a higher power takes. Jordan also said that he believed it is true that Jesus was God. I construed that based on JP’s knowledge of how Jesus conducted himself, the sacrifices and suffering he endured for his people, and his unwavering selflessness, was enough evidence for JP to place Jesus at a higher value than all other humans (aligning with his definition of God). Thank you Steven Bartlett and Jordan Peterson for exploring your curiosities together on a public platform, because isn’t that the point of this thing called life? Go on the adventure, stay curious, aim high, and connect with others!
That's Peterson's typical arrogance, positing himself as an intellectual, which he isn't. He thinks his viewpoint is the only one worth having and can't stand to be corrected. I can't stand him and his pretensions.
😂🤣😂 Notes on what not to do and how not to think! This interview basically throws all of Steve’s work out the window. JP is paid to spew basic conservative notions which don’t help anyone. To be fulfilled and complete oneself, should be the priority, that’ll attract the right people into our lives! Start by that.
@@maluribeiro68 did you watch the interview thats basically what he said. Also JP is a professor of psychology, eminently worth listening to on the subjects raised. Finally you also underlined a point that was made during this which clearly went over your head. Which is the constant judging of other people based on political outlook which youve just done.,
I'm barely about to complete the first hour of this interview and you've been really bringing out Jordan in his element. This is one of the best JBP interviews I've heard. Well done!
I waited till marriage to lose my virginity and 14 years later, I have no regrets. I was upfront while dating of my intentions to wait and I found an honorable man who was willing to wait- because he knew I was worth it. Treat sex like it's sacred and you will attract someone who truly values you.
There is a difference from 'sex' to a relationship. A relationship takes a lot of work, sex simply doesn't! Value yourself highly is a good thing, but do not think this was the reason for a healthy relationship!
Proverbs 31. If both of you can control your passions before marriage, it indicates that you can control yourself during marriage. You won't cheat on each other. You can trust each other.
@@justinengland9814 Self-control is something to be admired and respected. If you have respect and admiration from your partner-- you are already way ahead of the game. Those two qualities will help you weather many storms.
He's by far not the only one. But apparently it needs a wordy psychologist in fancy suits for the message to be heard. If it's just your local priest talking about it, nobody seems to care much ;)
I had a cardiac arrest on the operating table when i was 22 years old. My daughter was just 2 year old. I'm in my 50's now, and i'm so grateful for every day i wake up that i wouldn't have had. It wasn't my time. There's no greater gift than learning and accepting that one day we'll die, because knowing that makes us grateful for every moment. Just to add, i'm also no longer afraid of death...i've never felt before, or since, such peace ❤
That must’ve been so frightening at the time but I’m so happy to hear you took it in your stride and appreciate things differently since. All the negative things we’re faced with can just be a part of building a better future for our stories.
Guys it’s important to view his ideas and beliefs as another form of perspective of life. Doesn’t mean you have to agree with them or disagree but just another way of looking at life from a different perspective. Looking at things from another perspective is always good because then you give your self more wisdom and alternative options.
its funny how women & particularly liberals, talk about what Jordan Peterson says as if he's saying crazy, insane things. how this man thinks is how 100% of people were pre-2006 before all the weird "woke" stuff came about. people understood: marriage=good, God & bible=good, sex before marriage=bad, families=good. then at some point around 2006 everybody lost their minds & went woke & normal people like Jordan Peterson were considered bigots because he "hurt their feelings" with his views. JP says start by "cleaning your room" as the foundation to getting your life together. which is simple, great advice that we used to give to kids, now woke liberals get angry about it. we live in a woke clown world now lol smh
These were the exact questions I had arising in my relationship. Thank you for delicately asking questions as the interviewer and also thank you Jordan Peterson for sharing your point of view/ research
This is even more true than he pointed out in this interview. The basic judging happens at a subconscious, reflexive level and is built into our perception. We can't help but judge, it's simply how we are wired.
@Volkbrecht Fear comes before ego in the subconscious limbic system. The pre-frontal cortex (and the ego/identity) are the last to the party. There’s only one instance where the survival instinct has an override. And you can bring the Double Slit experiment which has shown thoughts do have an affect on reality into the equation. By the time you’ve felt a sensation the split second has already passed on and time is always shifting. The question is safety and what’s in your best interest in the fleeting moments and the future and whether you can be logical and empathetic. Unconditional love as in giving without any expectation of reciprocation, becomes simply being caring because it make you feel good to be benevolent even if you have to compromise. I still don’t agree with everything Peterson is on about lately. I do agree we can make a choice most of the time to refrain from harming. Some people lose their composure. And some people do heroic things in the face of danger. Words can hurt and words can motivate us to do better/our best and sometimes accomplish what might be categorized as miracles. As long as we’re not devolving into a paranoid period where no one trusts their neighbor, we’ll be fine. I’ll also remind people to look up the country earning the most Darwin Awards (by a great number.)
Humanity is flawed in thinking that being alone will bring us true happiness. People's very DNA is built on the fact that we are reliant on the actions of others to nurture, motivate, inform, entertain, and love us. In turn, this allows us to grow and enhance the abilities within ourselves.
It’s no longer required for fulfillment; we’re past that now. Intended solitude, restrained interactions and transient relationships are our present and future.
It's true, life is richer with more close relationships, but unfortunately, throughout history, being in relationship has also meant being subjugated to some degree, and when that's the case, especially when the subjugation is intense, it's good to have the option to be alone.
I believe you are right 👍 the very comical of our brains keep use together and as a animal corporate we hav a adolescent fare longer than the place we came from in the life of us before civilization we are a captive and the bond of love were not bound by age number of lovers or even how much they contribute to the tribal of oder
Being alone CAN be a good thing, it depends largely on your attitude about singleness, or being in refuge(marriage). All marriage is, is a forced contract for a woman to be tied to a male, to be likely abused, and shrunk to a crumb to make her husband more tolerable of her, and be quiet as church mouse so that her husband doesn't hit her or harm her in some way, there's too much restraint, especially when it comes to women expressing themselves. Expression keeps women alive, there's a study on women, and them expressing themselves. I heard that women that DON'T express themselves, are 4 times more likely to die, than women who DO express themselves, this is all about destruction of the feminine.
So interesting to hear you bring up Joe Rogan. He was one of the first podcasts I listened to regularly. The reason I keep coming back to your channel is because you like Joe realize the importance of allowing different perspectives to be heard. Thank you so much.
This was an excellent interview. It started a bit slowly but then he spoke some good truths that really made me pause and reflect. I know it is a good podcast when I have to pause it and reflect - even rewind and listen again to the way something was articulated. Thanks Steven
My favorite. ❤ He is the reason I made it to your channel. Loved the first interview. Of course, I stayed because you never miss intellectually. I can not wait to watch this. Grateful
I have tried so many times with JP. Occasionally there’s a nugget that feels coherent but honestly more than half the time I feel like he’s on his own thought train going no place fast.
I have so much respect for Peterson. Way of thinking and displaying the truth regardless how it falls requires boldness and bravery. We need more people like him to fight the stupidity of this world.
There were too many incredibly wonderful moments in this episode! Just delicious! What a host! What a guest! Half way through I pressed pause, went to the book store, bought 3 Jordan Peterson books and came back home to continue listening! I could go on and on about my appreciation for these two men! But I just say THANK YOU!
Keep drinking the kool aid, sounds like you’re on a sugar high 😆 My favorite part was at 40:30 when he told me that unmarried women like me over 30 are utterly useless. Good to know that my primary value in this world is just to be wife/mother or else there’s no hope! 🤣🤣 Gosh, what a revolutionary idea - like going back to stone age or something 🤡 What a genius! 👍🤣
@fs5775 he was describing the world. And analysis. Not prescribing how the world should be. So there is no reason to take offense but rather build your own analysis and apply your own perspective. He has lots of anecdotes that build his analysis and that's from his clinical practice and lived experience. He may sound like he's telling you what to do but I think he's been helping women in his clinical practice for decades so he acts like his view is an absolute truth, but im sure he's helped lots of people.
@@shilloutI heard him telling that women after 30 who had decided to focus on career, suddenly feel lost in their life due to being in a highly competitive work envyronment with other men, and not feeling fullfilled (he believes women will only feel fullfilled in marriage and having children) He also said that women are not competitive in the workplace, cuz he loves generalizing women and judging our choices when we chose not to marry or have kids. He criticizes women who chose career and now are too old to go back to "traditional value" and marriage because they are suddenly prone to infertility after 30s (bs statistic that only exists to excuse men predatory behaviour towards young/barely legal women) Thats an anecdotal factoid he spews cuz the only women he gets this factors from are women who already are facing the issue and looking for him for advice on life choices. So he can say "gotcha" on women who focuses on themselves instead of building a family, while seeing men who do the same under a positive light. Thats hypocritical. This sort of men want you pregnant and barefoot. They see you as a tool for their "legacy" and ego. They want women to depend completely on men. Do not fall for this trap. Even he said that his marriage is not doing well for the last few years. His advice is full of bs. Listen to your guts, not to a man with a failing marriage who wants people to accept unhappy relationships for the sake of personal responsibility. Instead, adults should focus on their career and not start a family out of societal pressure. Thats one of the many reasons why divorce rates are so high.
I am so grateful for Jordan Peterson, i really don't know where i'd be otherwise. I cannot see as much truth in anyone else and his depth of knowledge and meaning always blows my mind. Truly grateful to be living at the same time!
It's also important not to idolize a specific person and to accept numerous points of view to build a balanced perspective. Glad he was able to help you out, but he shouldn't be your source of gospel.
Wow, Steven!! I've seen hundreds of interviews with Jordan and by now I almost always know instinctively how he's going to answer the questions and how he lays out his arguments. Although there where nothing really novel about the topics in this interview I believe you managed to ask the right questions with the right timing all throughout the interview because he really had to give some fresh takes on stuff I've heard him regurgitate for years. This was one of the best interviews with Jordan I've heard so far and one of the best one I've heard you conduct! I think the reason that you do this better than 99% of all journalists is that you have done your research, you are an honest person and that you actually is curious and interested in the answers. The consequences are that you actually listens (instead of trying to get YOUR point across) and therefore you are able to ask questions with razor precision in both the context and temporal sense. I been working inside of main stream media for two decades and seen all styles of journalism. This is, by far, the best! Brilliant, Mr Bartlett!!💪🏼❤️👍🏼
yes hes by far the best interviewer of the modern age, Rogan is loveable and fantastic to listen to but interms of raw interviewing this guy is the best
Living together before marriage increasing the risk of the marriage failing is most likely not a cause and effect but an observation. You would have to include those that live together and never get married for a full picture. It is probable that for some of the marriages the proposal was trying to fix something that was already going wrong. There is also a filter in the people that wouldn’t live together until marriage have different underlying morals and ethics. Just by not living together these fundamentals will not change. So the act of living together does not change the likelihood of failing more the underlying personalities determine that. Hence no cause and effect just a correlation with personality type. .
It’s about the lack of commitment. Living together basically puts both people in the position of saying to the other: “Give me your most intimate self-without my commitment to you”. There’s no way that can actually occur. Especially for women. Women know they need to be in a “safe”, secure, committed relationship in order to fully give themselves to their husbands. Men need that too, but they may not realize it to the same extent. It’s asking the impossible.
Religion and shaming is gthe outlier, the reason why some get divorced and some don't. Religious married men are not less likely to cheat than atheistic married men, on the contrary, religious men are MORE likely to cheat because women who follow religion are more likely to stay in a abusive relationship.
@@ElisaSarah Religion is a legalistic trap. A relationship with your Heavenly Father, because of what Jesus did on the cross, revealed by the Holy Spirit…that’s LIFE 🌱 and entirely different. Yes, life is still painful, but like Jordan Peterson says, the pain has meaning.
@@caitlin6983if you need and require a contract that's legally enforced by the state that is akin to slavery in order for you to keep your commitments and be true to your word or to believe someone is going to keep their commitments and be true to their word to you, both parties really need to look at what they think of themselves and the other party. If you're the primary earner or going to be the primary earner, you are quite possibly giving away a half or more of what attracted your partner to you in the first place. When and if the relationship goes bad. It turns into a business deal. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone that has genuine burning desire for another person doesn't need the state enforced business deal marriage contract to keep their commitments and honor their word in a long-term relationship. If either party loses that in a relationship, you should shake hands and walk away with mutual respect before you start screwing other people. It's not complicated.
Another absolutely fantastic episode. Bravo fellas! Jordan Peterson never fails to so expressively and honestly explain life in real and profound ways. This interview should be required viewing for every living adult human. Ive listened to so many of my ‘favorite’ interviews on DCEO, but this one takes the new top spot in my mind. Brilliant. Thank you.
Wow. Even in sickness gave a great interview. I love that it had almost no interruption with internal sponsors.❤ Same with Andrew Hubermann. It's way more pleasant to hear content like that.
What the hell are you talking about? You exist in a community and if it is not the one you want leave or make a change. Unpaid (currency) Labour is normal among family and friends. If not then men should charge those around them for protection fee, lifting object fee, lawn care fee, house repair fee, car repair fee, do you understand my point?
The final question left for Peterson by the previous guest felt so perfectly suited, almost tailor-made for him. And his answer was not what I expected! Great discussion. Thank you both
Absolutely loved the part of about “Judging.” I’ve been on a spiritual journey for a few years now but I always wondered about this particular topic. There is a difference between judging someone’s choice of clothing, make up or other superficial things and judging (more like assessing really!) their way of living or thinking. Thanks a million for having Professor Peterson back on the show. And something to point out to @steven about having CEOs on the show- these amazing guests are incredible CEOs in all sorts of ways, maybe people need to change the meaning of “CEO” in their head. So don’t be bothered by this particular comment as I have noticed you mentioned it quite a few times recently. Thanks a thousand times to Steven and the whole DOAC gang. I am so beyond grateful that I get to listen to these priceless words of wisdom for FREE. Thank you ❤❤❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Steven, I loved that you were so engaged in the conversation. You generally ask questions and try to get answers through conversation which is great. However, in this interview, you were actually very much part of the conversation, it was nice to see. Your body language of leaning in showed how interested you were in the conversation and interested in being involved. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you this curious! Makes me want to meet DR. Peterson and have a conversation with him.
I love your bravery to be vulnerable and your humility in the desire for truth. That's why I watch your interviews. And that's why I watch Dr. Peterson too.
For me, it's the part about him trying to set back all the progress we've made as women in the past 70 years to have more life options (which may or may not include being wife/mother) and then JP comes along and says: "Nope! If you're not a wife/mother by 30, you have no value or hope at a fulfilling life." Thanks for mansplaining my life choices, JP. You cleeeearly know better about me and my desires than I do. What an incredible insult to women everywhere....
@fs5775 he's never said that though, he says the probability you'll have a fulfilling life as a women without being a mother is low. You know it's true, if someone said as a man the chance I'll have a fulfilling life without going to clown school is low, I would consider it such an idea i would laugh, only if I deep down knew there was truth to it, would it trigger me.
Jordan I’m so glad you are here helping young people. God is life! No matter how much people try to do, temporary life without God, they fail. Read the new testament and learn to do eternal life with God!
I've listened to so many hours of JBP in the last 10 years but I've got to say that this episode has provided me with some fresh material and new takes that I've found very pertinent to my life now (relating to marriage, commitment, porn, etc.)
Brilliant interview! 👏 You seem to have taken enormous pride calling your partner “wife” towards the end of the podcast. That was beautiful and perhaps it answers your question if marriage is the right fit for you.
That was the effect of a strident conservative conversationalist on him... that just demonstrated to me that Steven was engaged in some people pleasing of his guest
I love Jordan Peterson and Diary of a CEO. Jordan has gotten to the point where he just rambles himself into a rabbit hole. It just goes on and on in circles. I imagine all of Petersons speaking gigs and university teachings have trained him to speak in these never-ending and over explained scenarios. You never know where you're going with him anymore. A very intelligent man. Peterson can't focus on just one idea at a time.
It seems like hes changed a lot in the past few years. I dont like him as much anymore but he is very intelligent, I think the fame and stress got to him.
@Christifia ... re: your comment ~ ''It just goes on and on in circles. I imagine all of Petersons speaking gigs and university teachings have trained him to speak in these never-ending and over explained scenarios. You never know where you're going with him anymore'' Well : ) ... Simultaneous - Multi-dimensional 'thinking' & the 'verbal' language / expressions there-of cannot be comprehended &/or appreciated by the masses, per se. Why ? [to summarize it quickly] Mostly b/c they ''just cannot keep up'' ...[period] {N.B. No sarcasm nor put-downs.} I'd argue that he [JP] is [finally] ''actually'' being 'his' *True* [un-leashed] *Self* - thus, refusing to 'self-pace' & 'dumb down' the [his] presentation & put it into a [formerly] ''neat & tidy'' package to please / capture the ''entire'' audience [anymore] ~ ... 'You said''/ ''stated'' ... ''Peterson can't focus on just one idea at a time.'' 1) Re-read the above 2 paragraphs 2) Question : Are you ''sure'' of your 'statement' or is that just 'your' assessment of him/it? Hmmm ? ... ; ) He can't ? OR ''chooses'' *not* to anymore ... One would ''need'' to 'widen' their IQ & EQ to grasp this 'concept' ... but Rest assured, the notion ''that He ''can't'' is Incorrect & Faulty thinking on 'your' / others part ~ You can also ''Apply'' 'previous' to your statement ~ ''Jordan has gotten to the point where he just rambles himself into a rabbit hole'' Hmmm ? ... ; ) Really ? Well ... ''maybe''' so from ''your'' - limited 'understanding' &/or 'current' limited 'capacity' to entertain ''other'' ? ... Above said, I do have 2 friends that have also 'expressed' ''similar'' to yourself [to me]. That said, I can also 'appreciate'' [some] your comments/theirs BUT overall, I do not 'agree' : )
I've seen many episodes and I went out of my way to comment this time, only bc I want to say that this has got to be my favorite episode of them all. And I'm a little sad to know it will probably be the case for a long time. I've had book hangovers before and now I have experienced a podcast episode hangover too. But thank you for this guest. I would love to see him back again.
The dichotomy of hedonic pleasure and eudaimonic pleasure is such an important conversation. We need a reorientation to long term planning and meaningful pursuit.
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Can you provide subtitles in other languages as well please? :)
You’re doing such excellent work!! And JP is an excellent thinker. You give him so much space to express. He is brilliant, and thus only makes sense that he is hated. A Holy Fool. I relate. So accurate about the way he can be perceived, but interviews between great thinkers like this sheds the bright light. My ex is from the UK and disliked Jordan so much. Our 8 year relationship ended when we listened to Jordan Peterson’s marriage episodes… and he squirmed the whole time. I agreed with everything and my ex hated it - every last bit of it and only heard arrogance in JP, disliking him so much. Fascinating that JP really highlighted something for us!! My ex didn’t like me just as much. Lol Thanks to you both for showing up!! Brilliant male leaders of our time.. I’d love to interview you both …from the Yukon :)) 🙌 🙏
Peterson is one of the least honest men online.
F, SHAME ON YOU. DOACEO.
Make the subscribe button more visible so people don't have to search for it . Some people don't know they have to hit the bell.
Thanks for giving your guests time to pause, be silent, and think about their answers. Real conversations must allow for people to gather their thoughts. You’re a great listener and that’s why I love your podcast.
Absolutely -- silence is so important. Not every conversation has to be filled up with words all the time. That's why I so much prefer one-on-one interactions as opposed to group conversations; lower probability of interruptions and being rushed on to the next topic by person A (for instance), when persons B or C might still have something to say on the previous topic. Great comment 👍
Steven Bartlett is undoubtedly THE BEST in the business atm. Great team work TheDiaryOfACEO! Remember to stay humble and curious tho. Keep it up!!
He is a grifter through and through.
And JP is notorious for his pauses for thought. I have always appreciated it. 'Be concise in your speech,' one of the 12 Rules for Life.
Instead of asking "How do I find the right person for me", The right question is: "How can I learn to offer something to someone else that would make me eminently desirable"
Love the way that question was turned around.💯👌🏾
Ah yes, marketing 101.
The real question is "do I need a person to lead a happy and fulfilling life" perhaps everyone should start there
I have asked in my prayers: what do I need to change within myself to attract the person I want to attract.
Its funny cuz he talks about being honest, speaking his thoughts, and having a compromise with the truth when it comes to having an intellectual debate, but when asked how honest one has to be to find a compatible romantic partner, he goest like "straight up lie to make yourself desireable".
Once you do anything that forces you to change just to be desireable to someone else, you are already lying and manipulating the other person.
This is effectively the red pill rhetoric of ‘make yourself high value’.
Stephen’s answers were even worse, he never once said I’m a kind person, loving, caring, comforting etc
Can we take a moment to apprecite Steve? What an interviewer. What a smooth conversation. You are the definition of a successful podcaster. This is my very first ever comment on YT, but I couldn't hold myself.
Gosh the way he spoke about his mother, not having any negative memories with her... what a beautiful gift
i thought he was gonna cry and i started crying thinking that he was about to break down
It blew my mind. I’m not sure that’s even possible with a human being, maybe an angel
Ufff yeah... do not ask mine
that's denial
Theres no way someone so traumatised and intentionally subtly hateful could know what love is.
Abandonment / Neglect , the wound from what never happened .
Jordan Peterson seems to stir strong reactions, even though his message clearly isn’t for everyone. I don’t understand why people struggle with the idea that you don’t have to completely agree with someone to let them speak. While there are aspects of his message I don’t fully align with, I recognize that, overall, it’s a message that’s deeply needed today-especially for boys and men. I’m glad I had the chance to hear him speak in Minneapolis.
its funny how women & particularly liberals, talk about what Jordan Peterson says as if he's saying crazy, insane things. how this man thinks is how 100% of people were pre-2006 before all the weird "woke" stuff came about. people understood: marriage=good, God & bible=good, sex before marriage=bad, families=good. then at some point around 2006 everybody lost their minds & went woke & normal people like Jordan Peterson were considered bigots because he "hurt their feelings" with his views. JP says start by "cleaning your room" as the foundation to getting your life together. which is simple, great advice that we used to give to kids, now woke liberals get angry about it. we live in a woke clown world now lol smh
@@raliyaxsomo you obviously are mature and can differentiate and must not agree with someone to respectfully listen.
very well said! I think part of the problem (and this is going to make me sound so old) is the younger generation. Sadly, they've been coddled to the point of not understanding that healthy, respectful, civil human discord includes exposure and dialogue with perspectives that may not align with your own. There's this attitude of almost complete disregard with views that differ. I wonder if part of the problem stems from how much they've been raised in a digital environment that promotes hiding behind a screen, siloed in your own echo chamber vs encouraging healthy, face-to-face human discussion.
We live in a highly polarized and tribalistic society. "You are either unconditionally for us or you are utterly against us and our enemy". Compromises are rarely welcome. This is a sickness.
Lots of folks jumping to JP's defense, taking stabs at me for sharing my observation. It's all good; no harm done. But look, this isn't about JP providing clear well articulated responses that demand longer focus to "understand". JP increasingly wanders all over the cognitive map, fire-hosing "things he knows" (that may even be true), without really providing clear digestible responses. I am a big believer in that the topics being discussed are complex, and that everything is connected in some way. So I understand his penchant to wander and pull from here and there as he responds. But he goes further than that, and these days, often seems more focused on demonstrating how much he knows, versus providing a clear well focused response. (as seen in his debates with either Matt Dillahnuty & Sam Harris). When he doesn't have the answer, he seems to struggle with just acknowledging that, versus throwing out a plethora of connections in an attempt to construct the answer before us. Just my two cents. No insult to JP or any of your intelligence.
I met my husband when we were in middle school. We were friends and then dated for 6 years from senior year of high school. We moved out together and got engaged and then bought a house together and got married 2 years after. We've been together for almost 20 years now. In the beginning we loved each other and that was that but it takes work. He is my best friend and I'm his best friend. It took a lot of work. We got married because we picked each other to go through this thing called life. I am there to support him through thick and thin and he's there to support me through thick and thin. We both grew up in Broken homes so we are determined to work together so that we could give our daughters the best that we could and show then what a relationship should be like.
God bless you and your husband
LOVE this so much! 😍 God bless you both.🙌🏽🙏🏽❤️
I love reading such stories, because you really had to swim upstream, and then still made it!
@earx23 so true! It definitely wasn't easy and it took work but we both knew we were in it together. Like the honesty thing, during our rocky time about 13 years in we did go to marriage counseling. We decided to create a safe space for us to express our feelings and what was bothering us. Like a space for us to be vulnerable. At times it was uncomfortable but it has been rewarding. I feel like we've taken our relationship to the next level. But yes, lots of upstream swimming. 😅
I 100% CHOSE to be in my relationship. Went through whatever it was that I needed to go through. Had so many life experiences and didn't meet my SO until I was in my 30's. Sought him out a few years later bc I was finally ready and, thankfully, so was he. For some reason it makes me feel better (and centers me) that i chose this relationship and I will continue to choose it every day.
Why can't peole listen to things with an unbiased view? You do not have to agree with everything, yet you can learn a lot from listening. It's just critical thinking, guys.
Because we have been conditioned to our tribe vs your tribe through the game of divide and conquer.
For me it's mainly the intellectual disrespect of people like Peterson that present their own personal view as some kind of universal truth with bad faith argumentation. But I guess that's why people come here, to categorize things into simple black and white statements. Do this, don't do that, otherwise you're a failure. Constant self-improvement to get rid of that burning anxiety regarding ones own self worth.
@@janfrank3453 If the world ran on everyone doing nothing but "self-improvement" we would all be like the character Christian Bale played in American Psycho. A bunch of Patrick Bateman's running around. If you think about it, that would result in more billionaires, which is exactly what we are seeing, a 10% increase in the past year of billionaires. We went from 66 billionaires in 1990 to 813 in 2024. We are a society ruled by an oligarchy that is slowly adding members to it's psychopathic tribe.
It's unlikely that they've even listened to the whole podcast as it's over two hours long and it's only been on TH-cam for 46 minutes lol
It's just a coincidence that Peterson's beliefs line up with conservative political beliefs.
I actually love how open steven was with what he is wrestling with in his understanding right now. That opened this up so much more.
Im a big believer in that churches and pubs are what used to build community in the uk, both now disappearing. Me and my children have been going to church for a year, we talk about how we feel about the stories we listen to and how they allign with our own values but the biggest gift has been the sense of community we all have and the joy we are able to spread amongst that community. In turn my faith has also grown. This really has been such an enjoyable podcast episode
I really love this comment. I’m an expectant father and am hoping my family will come to church with me even to begin with just to be IN the community. God bless you
I learned a lot, but what struck me most was that the key to living a full life is to live a life with meaning, and we get meaning by finding ways to serve ourselves and those around us in the best way possible, always aiming for the highest good of all possible scenarios, at all possible levels.
"EVIL RISES WHEN GOOD MEN SAY NOTHING. ....words to ponder!
Funny thing, each side of an argument throws this around like a weapon against those that don't agree with them
@@SevillaILoveit's not about disagreement though. Its literally saying or doing nothing when you see others do wrong.
Discrimination is an easy example
Do you say something?????
Like….every time????
Does Jordan say something?????
Answer: NO!
@@jenster29 The disagreement obviously lies in the distinction of what should be perceived as wrong.
And we need to be careful of what Peterson thinks is evil...
I honestly believe that this video could possibly be the one to single-handedly save my life. Thank you
So awesome to read!! ❤
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” Philippians 4:13.
Power on..
@@agamersjournal I am SO happy to read your words! Enjoy the adventure of becoming wonderful you! God be with you and yours always. 💕🙏🏼🤗
Why so?
I'm sharing this my 23 year old son. He is already a JP fan
I’ve watched many interviews with Jordan Peterson. The character question at about 16:57 is the mark of a world-class interviewer. Going where no one else has gone.
I know Peterson's voice. I listen to him almost daily. I think he has a cold or a bit of something. So good on him for plugging through and showing up to the interview. So much respect for this man! Love him so much.
I listen to him regularly and I noticed this as well.
It sounds like the editing software's AI enhancement. We use Adobe Premiere and thishappens when the AI audio enhance feature is pushed a bit too far.
He sounds really congested 🤷🏼♀️
@@bkfxstudios1647
He was like this in another video recently, maybe they were filmed relatively close to each other but if not that's one long cold/flu...
He obviously has a cold.
I honestly think this is the most beautiful podcast episode I've ever heard.
This is the best Jordan Peterson interview I’ve seen. Thank you for being on the quest of adventure Steven
“The more you think about yourself, the more miserable you are.” I believe it.
One of the major sources of depression.
I have a very miserable self centered colleague and I always say get her a plant or a goldfish any being with needs to get her focus off herself and onto another entity it will do both parties good IMO
And the more you TRY to control EVERYTHING around you.
I had a lot of social anxiety when I was younger. I was super self conscious, to the point where I couldn't enjoy myself socially & was always finicky about some aspect of myself that surely must've been annoying for others to witness. It was exhausting & frustrating to experience. Then, one day a wise person said, "Relax, people are too busy thinking about themselves to focus on you... It's not all about you." And she meant it in a good way. She wasn't accusing me of being selfish. But simply stating that I'm not that important for people to be waiting at the door to turn a spotlight on me & pick out all of my faults, like my anxiety lead me to believe... When I learned to focus on others & to bring attention to others by expressing genuine joy when Id see them, or by offering to help or serve them, etc. ALL of that anxiety went away... I've heard people say that people don't always remember what you say but they always remember how you make them feel. People who are self conscious & insecure are more likely to be defensive, uptight, etc. Who wants to be around that? I had to teach myself to lighten up & take the focus off myself & all the weird little quirks I thought I had & to draw people in by practicing hospitality, etc. Every little gathering we have at our home I am focused on making others comfortable & it's wonderful! I know insecurity is common throughout one's teens & 20s. That was the case for me and many acquaintances of my youth. But much of that dissipates over time with experience & maturity if we have a growth mindset. And it's beautiful & worth it! To whomever is reading this, enjoy the adventure of discovering who you are & of striving towards who you could be! God Bless
Haha so true 😂
Pornography destroys intimacy. It also breaks people's brains. Is your brain on your spouse during sexual intimacy, or is your spouse just a physical sex partner while your mind is focused on some pornographic image/fantasy? Who are you really with? Are you with a real person that you love, or are you with some fake thing in your brain? Why would AI and robots with AI being touted as an alternative to having relationships with real people a thing? People are selfish and are looking for gratification without having to give of themselves. Take take take. Real love is about what are you willing to do for the good of someone else. Love is sacrificial, kind, patient..there is none of that in pornography.
There’s no one in my life so thank god for porn.
Pornography to men is like birth control and dating apps to women, but even more damaging to women. Both allow the sex's to get something they think they desire without the meaningful side of the desire that's actually helpful. Pornography can be stopped and fixed relatively easily. But delusions created by real life experiences women have because of birth control and dating apps are not easily forgotten or realized. The amount of context needed to understand this is actually pretty deep and unfortunately most of you just won't understand what I'm actually saying.
Baudrillard comes to mind, none of our experiences are wholly authentic. Most young men and to a large extent women have had thousands of hours of sexual "training" before they've ever been with a real women. Then they act out what they see on the screen. As you've are you ever fully present? or are you acting? How would u make love if you never saw any media of it? Would it be an expression of you and your creativity and not a hyper bounded act that u wouldn't dare stray away from the quietly acceptable things uve seen others do?
Furthermore, there is a pretty large delta between what makes corn exciting to watch visually and what making love actually entails. 1 small detail is missionary where you are embracing eachother. This is a very rare "position" in corn as it covers the female body and the penetration, but is almost certainly preferable to this seperated robotic thrusting in corn. Of course the details like this are virtually infinite.
The most frustrating thing for me is no one really ever told me corn was bad for me. I mean of course I heard people say it but it came from such puritanical voices it was so easy to write off. It was so normalized, and as I had a relatively healthy sex life in my teens and twenties i never much considered how much damage it was truly doing. Its insane its only caught any real mainstream negativity in the past few years. I do wonder what my sex life could have been had i never watched it.
1 final thought. I think besides the obvious monkey brain gratification, the second impetus to watch is curiosity/fear of not knowing what you are doing in bed as a man. But you learn as you get older that attentivness is primarily what is going to get your women there, women are not dumb creatures they are going to let you know what feels good, and they are all different no matter how "good" you are without the attentiveness they are going to be disappointed anyways. Corn destroys that attentivness, because again you are not there in the moment with her, you are pasting some video over her and acting it out. These things are very subtle but if u dont think we cant percieve the lack of connection in those moments you are dreaming.
You’re putting the cart before the horse. I would prefer the real thing, but the real thing doesn’t prefer me. Furthermore there are plenty of places where it’s illegal, like China, and yet they are having their own relationship crisis. Jordan is just wrong on this topic.
@@censored_by_YTGo, talk to real women. Get a feedbak from them. If what would be different you would have a relationship with me?
Dr Peterson is talking absolute sense and Steve Bartlett conducts the interview so well. Well done, for instantiating meaning, both of you.
This is probably the most beautiful podcast-conversation I've heard in a long time. And I listen to one long major podcast a day, mind you.
1. Just because you don’t agree with everything someone has to say doesn't mean he doesn't have valuable things to say.
2. Listening to well-articulated ideas you disagree with is a great way to refine your own philosophical outlook.
3. Those in the comments refusing to actually listen and engage in good faith are robbing themselves of an opportunity to grow. Criticizing Stephen for taking the time to have this discussion demonstrates a lack of intellectual integrity and betrays the very intractable, ideological thinking Peterson preaches against.
Love him or hate him, Dr. Peterson is an intellectual giant and his ideas spur discussions this culture desperately needs to have. His books and lectures will outlive him and his voice shouldn't be ignored, particularly if you think he’s speaking in error. Thank you for giving him a safe and legitimate platform.
I have listened to this man several times with an open mind continually lie & misinterpret facts to fit his narrative is not worth my time.
I gave hours of my life listening to JP to try and give this man a chance only to catch lie after lie AFTER LIE. Why on earth would I continue to give the one thing we cannot get back in this life (time) to him when he has proven he gains pleasure for wasting it & conning people with open minds?
Very well said ❤
What lie has he put forth?
It's easy to say someone lies, it's a lot harder to articulate how.
@@Authorrlee Why did you clic on the video then? Just go on with your life.
I’m still waiting for you to articulate his lies?
Had me weak at "so what do you believe?" "Well, ive been explaining it"😂😂😂
Whereas I was fed up with all the word salad he’s so famous for. Just answer the question with a yes/no bro. Steven had to try 3 times and got virtually nowhere lol
@fs5775 calm down. He answered. You just had to listen.
@@vintagebeliever5023 oh I am very calm. I listened to his whole long-winded meandering blah blah blah in an attempt to not answer the question directly. What's he so scared of? Do you believe in God? Yes or no? Should be an easy one unless you are trying to hide something... smoke-and-mirrors man
@fs5775 re listen..he answered the question
@@jjharr5168 I feel like it’s obvious what he believes. But it’s clear that Steven needed it simplified more for himself as he said he’s searching. I feel like he should’ve asked why do you believe not what
52 minutes in. I lived with my wife for 10 years before marrying. 20 years in now and I'm still in love with her and I believe that she is with me. Life is good. Steven I too used to wrestle with the concept of marriage as my own parents divorced when I was 10. I decided I wanted to be married to my partner for reasons I struggle to put into words, I just wanted to I suppose. I wanted her to know just how much she meant to me in a way that words alone could never do. She never seemed interested in marriage and we never really spoke about it until I felt the need to do so. I wouldn't change a thing. It'll feel right when if and when supposed to feel right.
You went in with a good heart and was committed. God would not have that broken apart. Not everyone has the same luck so marriage is essential for people who come in disguise. However was she your first partner? You didn’t talk about that.
You're spot on, similarly to you I have lived with my partner for what will soon be 10 years and we are thinking of getting married soon. We are not religious and were not pressured to do it. We decided on it mutually when one of us brought it up. No reason to jump into a marriage if you don't even know if you've got, in your hands, a sustainable relationship that's withstood the test of time and it's tribulations. Edit: And yes she was my first partner.
@@JiovanniSmith-b8l God has nothing to do with it. It's not relevant if she was my first partner or not.
Such an important discussion. It’s crucial in a society that feels increasingly isolated. Building stronger bonds could be the key to addressing loneliness and restoring balance, What do y’all think?
Just watched your video, What’s your primary focus right now, and are there any innovative projects in development?
I’d love to know more about what this company specializes in. Any interesting projects?
This company seems like it could really simplify finding remote jobs-does it actually live up to the hype
In order to build genuine: "strong bonds" with people, individuals need to have a strong sense of -- living their everyday life -- Ethically, with: "Truth & Respect" -- having a strong sense of "right vs wrong", & "avoiding gossip".
But then most people, when examining themselves -- might subliminally consider that to be a "boring life"; resulting in people "Not Changing", & everyday life remaining the same, with its built-in Consequences.
We've all gotten so accustomed to being "Entertained", & Not examining our own everyday behavior -- which usually involves gossiping (about people) that We believe We have a right to gossip about -- especially if they are a "public figure" -- without understanding the (long-term impact) that it could have on "Society", as a whole.
It always has & always will boil down to: "Our own Individual behavior" & whether We are striving to do (Right vs. Wrong).
@AniseDebose like that time JP told the world that plus size cover model wasn't beautiful? Yep. Def builds bonds.
The biggest improvement of my development's tempo was when I figured out that 'a world can live without me, while i can't live without a world'. That snapped my thinking and doing in entire way.
This is a hard conversation that is not common any more in the main stream media. Thank you Stephen.
One of the very few podcasts I’m gonna save and re-listen in the future when I’m in a different stage of life 👏 incredible lesson on critical thinking
Yeah this is somewhat of a masterpiece on Jordan's part. One of the best contemplative thinkers of our time.
I've had several attempts to listen to end-to-end interviews of Jordan Peterson. But I've never been able to make it all the way through and despite your amazing interviewing skills, this one was no different.
I don't need to agree with him to listen, and there were many elements that I could agree with him. He presented great explanations to some questions - I especially loved the distinction between judge and condemn.
But there are points where I feel he speaks well to people who will be in agreement with him and he does a poor job at engaging people who may be open to listening but don't come in with the same opinion. I really struggled with him answering questions with "it's a complicated question," and "you need to read the book."
It personally gave me a sense of him saying - "this is all too complicated for the average person to understand, and you should have a sense of faith in what he is saying without the element of building trust."
This is a shame, because I think that for those who are addicted to the ease of many trappings of modern life. They are probably not going to be convinced to step out of it by a premise that is all just a little bit too complicated.
You need to watch it all then because thats not what he's saying. Life is complicated and simple edicts just wont cut it if you really want to understand and conquer your demons. Jordan can talk for literally hours just answering 1 simple question, but not all of it has to be of value to you personally so if he's directing you towards his book its likely because theres more depth in the book than he can be afforded in a 2 hour podcast.
I share aspects of your reasoning. My intention is to jettison a lot more of this way of listening to capable thinkers. I want to not reactively impede my exposure to valuable insights because I over weight my negative judgement of a part of their expression or worldview.
@@ItsGrantM…and he is in the business of writing and selling books which he is transparent about.
It is interesting that you interpreted “it’s a complicated question, read the book” as Jordan undermining the listener and wanting them to have blind trust. My interpretation was vastly different. I appreciate you sharing your perspective, as it sparked me to question and think. I interpreted JP’s answer as a confirmation that “all or nothing thinking” is not a good idea (in this circumstance and any circumstances really). Often one believes in this AND this, AND this AND this, it isn’t a question of either you believe in THIS or THAT, it can be a complex compilation of many truths and beliefs. It is very clear that JP believes in God/the highest value in the hierarchy of values/a construct or medium for human optimization. The specifics of what that exactly “looks like”shouldn’t really matter, it doesn’t change the goal. Steven was asking specifically what form the god JP believed in took, possibly in hopes of being enlighten with a visual picture that SB could buy into as he wrestles with his own questions about God (like many). It just really isn’t that simple, and not something JP is capable of making any more concise. Not only is there no real answer to this question (JP clarified that he derives his beliefs from what he has found evidence to be actually true), I don’t think Jordan has a “man up in the sky” specificity to his belief a higher power. I understood from his answers that JP full heartedly believes there is a God/highest value in which he move towards, he knows it is absolutely necessary to do so, he doesn’t think it is necessary to know exactly what form God takes in order to believe, and he continues to strive to explore truth’s to discover and share everything he learns on the subject. I personally like this more broad idea of a higher power, and hearing about JP’s deep dive into the biblical stories that have literally shaped our modern world. This approach is very informative and comprehensible to me. The themes of these biblical stories recur throughout history, and presenting it to today’s society in this understandable and plausible way encourages people to come together for a greater good, to explore and realign our connection with others, drawing on values and faith, no matter what form one’s construct of a higher power takes.
Jordan also said that he believed it is true that Jesus was God. I construed that based on JP’s knowledge of how Jesus conducted himself, the sacrifices and suffering he endured for his people, and his unwavering selflessness, was enough evidence for JP to place Jesus at a higher value than all other humans (aligning with his definition of God).
Thank you Steven Bartlett and Jordan Peterson for exploring your curiosities together on a public platform, because isn’t that the point of this thing called life? Go on the adventure, stay curious, aim high, and connect with others!
That's Peterson's typical arrogance, positing himself as an intellectual, which he isn't. He thinks his viewpoint is the only one worth having and can't stand to be corrected. I can't stand him and his pretensions.
JP is wisdom, strength and vulnerability personified. The fragility in his voice when he's moved by something is like therapy. Thank you both.
I’m watching this interview again, with a notebook in hand. So much to learn ! Thank you Steven for this life changing interview with JBP.
😂🤣😂 Notes on what not to do and how not to think!
This interview basically throws all of Steve’s work out the window.
JP is paid to spew basic conservative notions which don’t help anyone.
To be fulfilled and complete oneself, should be the priority, that’ll attract the right people into our lives! Start by that.
@@maluribeiro68 did you watch the interview thats basically what he said. Also JP is a professor of psychology, eminently worth listening to on the subjects raised. Finally you also underlined a point that was made during this which clearly went over your head. Which is the constant judging of other people based on political outlook which youve just done.,
I was glued from beginning til end. Thank u for your wonderful minds!
I'm barely about to complete the first hour of this interview and you've been really bringing out Jordan in his element. This is one of the best JBP interviews I've heard. Well done!
Yea, you are right!
Well done, Steven.
Yes!
I waited till marriage to lose my virginity and 14 years later, I have no regrets. I was upfront while dating of my intentions to wait and I found an honorable man who was willing to wait- because he knew I was worth it. Treat sex like it's sacred and you will attract someone who truly values you.
Like attracts like
There is a difference from 'sex' to a relationship. A relationship takes a lot of work, sex simply doesn't! Value yourself highly is a good thing, but do not think this was the reason for a healthy relationship!
Proverbs 31. If both of you can control your passions before marriage, it indicates that you can control yourself during marriage. You won't cheat on each other. You can trust each other.
@@justinengland9814 Self-control is something to be admired and respected. If you have respect and admiration from your partner-- you are already way ahead of the game. Those two qualities will help you weather many storms.
@@nb4749 and the sex itself might be horrific or terrible.
I love his view on marriage 💓 I am so so so glad someone is speaking up and saying it.
Me too
He's by far not the only one. But apparently it needs a wordy psychologist in fancy suits for the message to be heard. If it's just your local priest talking about it, nobody seems to care much ;)
I had a cardiac arrest on the operating table when i was 22 years old. My daughter was just 2 year old.
I'm in my 50's now, and i'm so grateful for every day i wake up that i wouldn't have had. It wasn't my time. There's no greater gift than learning and accepting that one day we'll die, because knowing that makes us grateful for every moment.
Just to add, i'm also no longer afraid of death...i've never felt before, or since, such peace ❤
That must’ve been so frightening at the time but I’m so happy to hear you took it in your stride and appreciate things differently since. All the negative things we’re faced with can just be a part of building a better future for our stories.
Everyone I know including myself who have come face to face with death all say, their fear of death leaves them. ❤
Guys it’s important to view his ideas and beliefs as another form of perspective of life. Doesn’t mean you have to agree with them or disagree but just another way of looking at life from a different perspective. Looking at things from another perspective is always good because then you give your self more wisdom and alternative options.
I try to see things from the perspective of the devil to keep a good balance. Peterson's views tend to line up with his. Hard pass
he says a lot of factually wrong shit with the confidence of an expert lol gtfoh
He is sick
I just agree with him lol these are pretty common sense ideas
its funny how women & particularly liberals, talk about what Jordan Peterson says as if he's saying crazy, insane things. how this man thinks is how 100% of people were pre-2006 before all the weird "woke" stuff came about. people understood: marriage=good, God & bible=good, sex before marriage=bad, families=good. then at some point around 2006 everybody lost their minds & went woke & normal people like Jordan Peterson were considered bigots because he "hurt their feelings" with his views. JP says start by "cleaning your room" as the foundation to getting your life together. which is simple, great advice that we used to give to kids, now woke liberals get angry about it. we live in a woke clown world now lol smh
phenomenal episode, Steven & Jordan!
Seems like everyone wants the perfect person but no one is perfect.
Everyone wants the perfect jordan peperson
Especially women. But listen to her and you'll find yourself in hell.
The idea of 'perfect' is the lies THEY sold to us, so that we can keep chasing on this idea of 'perfect' when in fact it is impossible.
Every WOMAN wants the perfect man.
Believe it or not there are people who don't want that for *Everyone*
These were the exact questions I had arising in my relationship. Thank you for delicately asking questions as the interviewer and also thank you Jordan Peterson for sharing your point of view/ research
At 1:07:42…
Absolutely love how he stops, thinks.. and concludes that he doesn’t know how answer that.. its just very genuine
Judge but not condemn, EXCELLENT. The truth is we all judge for survival so we can learn how to grow.
Ego
Absolutely
This is even more true than he pointed out in this interview. The basic judging happens at a subconscious, reflexive level and is built into our perception. We can't help but judge, it's simply how we are wired.
@Volkbrecht Fear comes before ego in the subconscious limbic system. The pre-frontal cortex (and the ego/identity) are the last to the party. There’s only one instance where the survival instinct has an override. And you can bring the Double Slit experiment which has shown thoughts do have an affect on reality into the equation. By the time you’ve felt a sensation the split second has already passed on and time is always shifting. The question is safety and what’s in your best interest in the fleeting moments and the future and whether you can be logical and empathetic. Unconditional love as in giving without any expectation of reciprocation, becomes simply being caring because it make you feel good to be benevolent even if you have to compromise. I still don’t agree with everything Peterson is on about lately. I do agree we can make a choice most of the time to refrain from harming. Some people lose their composure. And some people do heroic things in the face of danger. Words can hurt and words can motivate us to do better/our best and sometimes accomplish what might be categorized as miracles. As long as we’re not devolving into a paranoid period where no one trusts their neighbor, we’ll be fine. I’ll also remind people to look up the country earning the most Darwin Awards (by a great number.)
Before I heard this my motto was "don't judge although estimation is necessary”.
I love how thoughtful Jordan is. This was a very enjoyable conversation.
The fact that nobody talks about the book whispers of manifestation on borlest speaks volumes about how people are stuck in a trance
Humanity is flawed in thinking that being alone will bring us true happiness. People's very DNA is built on the fact that we are reliant on the actions of others to nurture, motivate, inform, entertain, and love us. In turn, this allows us to grow and enhance the abilities within ourselves.
It’s no longer required for fulfillment; we’re past that now.
Intended solitude, restrained interactions and transient relationships are our present and future.
It's true, life is richer with more close relationships, but unfortunately, throughout history, being in relationship has also meant being subjugated to some degree, and when that's the case, especially when the subjugation is intense, it's good to have the option to be alone.
I believe you are right 👍 the very comical of our brains keep use together and as a animal corporate we hav a adolescent fare longer than the place we came from in the life of us before civilization we are a captive and the bond of love were not bound by age number of lovers or even how much they contribute to the tribal of oder
Very subjective opinion here.
Being alone CAN be a good thing, it depends largely on your attitude about singleness, or being in refuge(marriage). All marriage is, is a forced contract for a woman to be tied to a male, to be likely abused, and shrunk to a crumb to make her husband more tolerable of her, and be quiet as church mouse so that her husband doesn't hit her or harm her in some way, there's too much restraint, especially when it comes to women expressing themselves. Expression keeps women alive, there's a study on women, and them expressing themselves. I heard that women that DON'T express themselves, are 4 times more likely to die, than women who DO express themselves, this is all about destruction of the feminine.
So interesting to hear you bring up Joe Rogan. He was one of the first podcasts I listened to regularly. The reason I keep coming back to your channel is because you like Joe realize the importance of allowing different perspectives to be heard. Thank you so much.
This was an excellent interview. It started a bit slowly but then he spoke some good truths that really made me pause and reflect. I know it is a good podcast when I have to pause it and reflect - even rewind and listen again to the way something was articulated. Thanks Steven
This may be Jordan's best one yet
My favorite. ❤ He is the reason I made it to your channel. Loved the first interview. Of course, I stayed because you never miss intellectually. I can not wait to watch this. Grateful
I have tried so many times with JP. Occasionally there’s a nugget that feels coherent but honestly more than half the time I feel like he’s on his own thought train going no place fast.
I have so much respect for Peterson. Way of thinking and displaying the truth regardless how it falls requires boldness and bravery. We need more people like him to fight the stupidity of this world.
This fascinating, mutually respectful conversation held my attention from start to finish.
A dream ......having a wonderful, or just even a good, conversation with Mr. Peterson. Ahhhh... to dream. Just fire, such passion. Thank you.
There were too many incredibly wonderful moments in this episode! Just delicious! What a host! What a guest! Half way through I pressed pause, went to the book store, bought 3 Jordan Peterson books and came back home to continue listening!
I could go on and on about my appreciation for these two men! But I just say THANK YOU!
Have you listened to Dr. Peterson before this interview?
Keep drinking the kool aid, sounds like you’re on a sugar high 😆 My favorite part was at 40:30 when he told me that unmarried women like me over 30 are utterly useless. Good to know that my primary value in this world is just to be wife/mother or else there’s no hope! 🤣🤣 Gosh, what a revolutionary idea - like going back to stone age or something 🤡 What a genius! 👍🤣
@fs5775 I'm guessing your prejudice or projections are controlling what you perceive him to say since that's not what I'm hearing at all.
@fs5775 he was describing the world. And analysis. Not prescribing how the world should be. So there is no reason to take offense but rather build your own analysis and apply your own perspective. He has lots of anecdotes that build his analysis and that's from his clinical practice and lived experience. He may sound like he's telling you what to do but I think he's been helping women in his clinical practice for decades so he acts like his view is an absolute truth, but im sure he's helped lots of people.
@@shilloutI heard him telling that women after 30 who had decided to focus on career, suddenly feel lost in their life due to being in a highly competitive work envyronment with other men, and not feeling fullfilled (he believes women will only feel fullfilled in marriage and having children)
He also said that women are not competitive in the workplace, cuz he loves generalizing women and judging our choices when we chose not to marry or have kids.
He criticizes women who chose career and now are too old to go back to "traditional value" and marriage because they are suddenly prone to infertility after 30s (bs statistic that only exists to excuse men predatory behaviour towards young/barely legal women)
Thats an anecdotal factoid he spews cuz the only women he gets this factors from are women who already are facing the issue and looking for him for advice on life choices.
So he can say "gotcha" on women who focuses on themselves instead of building a family, while seeing men who do the same under a positive light.
Thats hypocritical. This sort of men want you pregnant and barefoot. They see you as a tool for their "legacy" and ego.
They want women to depend completely on men.
Do not fall for this trap.
Even he said that his marriage is not doing well for the last few years. His advice is full of bs.
Listen to your guts, not to a man with a failing marriage who wants people to accept unhappy relationships for the sake of personal responsibility.
Instead, adults should focus on their career and not start a family out of societal pressure. Thats one of the many reasons why divorce rates are so high.
I am so grateful for Jordan Peterson, i really don't know where i'd be otherwise. I cannot see as much truth in anyone else and his depth of knowledge and meaning always blows my mind. Truly grateful to be living at the same time!
It's also important not to idolize a specific person and to accept numerous points of view to build a balanced perspective. Glad he was able to help you out, but he shouldn't be your source of gospel.
@@FeathersongwolfPeterson SAYS it himself. Don’t worship a single source
Wow, Steven!!
I've seen hundreds of interviews with Jordan and by now I almost always know instinctively how he's going to answer the questions and how he lays out his arguments.
Although there where nothing really novel about the topics in this interview I believe you managed to ask the right questions with the right timing all throughout the interview because he really had to give some fresh takes on stuff I've heard him regurgitate for years.
This was one of the best interviews with Jordan I've heard so far and one of the best one I've heard you conduct!
I think the reason that you do this better than 99% of all journalists is that you have done your research, you are an honest person and that you actually is curious and interested in the answers. The consequences are that you actually listens (instead of trying to get YOUR point across) and therefore you are able to ask questions with razor precision in both the context and temporal sense.
I been working inside of main stream media for two decades and seen all styles of journalism.
This is, by far, the best!
Brilliant, Mr Bartlett!!💪🏼❤️👍🏼
yes hes by far the best interviewer of the modern age, Rogan is loveable and fantastic to listen to but interms of raw interviewing this guy is the best
It was like molding new realities.
Amazing podcast, it was a very wholesome vibe between you two I loved it
Living together before marriage increasing the risk of the marriage failing is most likely not a cause and effect but an observation. You would have to include those that live together and never get married for a full picture. It is probable that for some of the marriages the proposal was trying to fix something that was already going wrong. There is also a filter in the people that wouldn’t live together until marriage have different underlying morals and ethics. Just by not living together these fundamentals will not change. So the act of living together does not change the likelihood of failing more the underlying personalities determine that. Hence no cause and effect just a correlation with personality type. .
It’s about the lack of commitment. Living together basically puts both people in the position of saying to the other: “Give me your most intimate self-without my commitment to you”. There’s no way that can actually occur. Especially for women. Women know they need to be in a “safe”, secure, committed relationship in order to fully give themselves to their husbands. Men need that too, but they may not realize it to the same extent. It’s asking the impossible.
@ if that were the case then why would marriage still be declining. It can be as much a trap for a woman as it is security.
Religion and shaming is gthe outlier, the reason why some get divorced and some don't.
Religious married men are not less likely to cheat than atheistic married men, on the contrary, religious men are MORE likely to cheat because women who follow religion are more likely to stay in a abusive relationship.
@@ElisaSarah Religion is a legalistic trap. A relationship with your Heavenly Father, because of what Jesus did on the cross, revealed by the Holy Spirit…that’s LIFE 🌱 and entirely different. Yes, life is still painful, but like Jordan Peterson says, the pain has meaning.
@@caitlin6983if you need and require a contract that's legally enforced by the state that is akin to slavery in order for you to keep your commitments and be true to your word or to believe someone is going to keep their commitments and be true to their word to you, both parties really need to look at what they think of themselves and the other party. If you're the primary earner or going to be the primary earner, you are quite possibly giving away a half or more of what attracted your partner to you in the first place. When and if the relationship goes bad. It turns into a business deal. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone that has genuine burning desire for another person doesn't need the state enforced business deal marriage contract to keep their commitments and honor their word in a long-term relationship. If either party loses that in a relationship, you should shake hands and walk away with mutual respect before you start screwing other people. It's not complicated.
Another absolutely fantastic episode. Bravo fellas! Jordan Peterson never fails to so expressively and honestly explain life in real and profound ways. This interview should be required viewing for every living adult human. Ive listened to so many of my ‘favorite’ interviews on DCEO, but this one takes the new top spot in my mind. Brilliant. Thank you.
This is the best podcast I have ever watched
Petersen is a sensational watch - every time. Great interview, Steven.
The pattern you are acting out is authentic. You are authentic at each and every podcast. You can see it on your face and in your questions.
This is the most fantastic interview, so much to unpack and hear the deep meaning of so many ideas . Loved it !
Wow. Even in sickness gave a great interview. I love that it had almost no interruption with internal sponsors.❤ Same with Andrew Hubermann. It's way more pleasant to hear content like that.
Very astounding conversation between two open and honest great thinkers! Thank you both!!
I love the way Jordan Peterson explains things. ❤
I love Steve for offering himself up with personal and vulnerable questions. We love you asking for us
Community dying has killed marriage. Women need their ‘village’ without it we’re left to do all unpaid labour alone with little support.
Spot on and direct to the point. Families = Villages = Communities
Never had community to begin with for women.
What the hell are you talking about? You exist in a community and if it is not the one you want leave or make a change. Unpaid (currency) Labour is normal among family and friends. If not then men should charge those around them for protection fee, lifting object fee, lawn care fee, house repair fee, car repair fee, do you understand my point?
What? That doesn't make sense. Is the community the household?
There are so many generalizations, and the word all is an exaggeration.
This is about the best interview of Dr. Peterson that I have heard. Thank you.
The final question left for Peterson by the previous guest felt so perfectly suited, almost tailor-made for him. And his answer was not what I expected! Great discussion. Thank you both
Absolutely loved the part of about “Judging.” I’ve been on a spiritual journey for a few years now but I always wondered about this particular topic. There is a difference between judging someone’s choice of clothing, make up or other superficial things and judging (more like assessing really!) their way of living or thinking. Thanks a million for having Professor Peterson back on the show. And something to point out to @steven about having CEOs on the show- these amazing guests are incredible CEOs in all sorts of ways, maybe people need to change the meaning of “CEO” in their head. So don’t be bothered by this particular comment as I have noticed you mentioned it quite a few times recently. Thanks a thousand times to Steven and the whole DOAC gang. I am so beyond grateful that I get to listen to these priceless words of wisdom for FREE. Thank you ❤❤❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The difference between judging and condemning was a huge clarification for me.
Didn’t want this to end and am tempted to listen to it again consecutively 😮
He's extremely active in the podcast circuit. You can find similar conversations on any of the big podcast channels, or his own 8.5M channel.
I miss watching his lectures. One of my favorite professors to break down behavior etc. I've taken his test. It's helped me learn more about myself
Jordan Peterson is a Canadian treasure. Although he's moved to the USA and I dont blame him! Thank you for having him on again. Excellent interview 👏
at least the British aren't capturing him and lock him inside a museum
I thought he lives in Canada, in Toronto?
Totally interesting to listen to- Jordan Peterson! And he sure knows how to dress! Awesome suit and tie❤.
& so handsome 😊...Jordan, you'd make the best 007 😎
Steven, I loved that you were so engaged in the conversation. You generally ask questions and try to get answers through conversation which is great. However, in this interview, you were actually very much part of the conversation, it was nice to see. Your body language of leaning in showed how interested you were in the conversation and interested in being involved. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you this curious! Makes me want to meet DR. Peterson and have a conversation with him.
I love your bravery to be vulnerable and your humility in the desire for truth. That's why I watch your interviews. And that's why I watch Dr. Peterson too.
Jordan you are incredible I got so much out of this interview ❤
I always feel deeply depressed when I read or listen to his stuff.
Sorry for your discomfort
Why is that?
@@haidenmorgan hes telling you everything you could be
For me, it's the part about him trying to set back all the progress we've made as women in the past 70 years to have more life options (which may or may not include being wife/mother) and then JP comes along and says: "Nope! If you're not a wife/mother by 30, you have no value or hope at a fulfilling life." Thanks for mansplaining my life choices, JP. You cleeeearly know better about me and my desires than I do. What an incredible insult to women everywhere....
@fs5775 he's never said that though, he says the probability you'll have a fulfilling life as a women without being a mother is low. You know it's true, if someone said as a man the chance I'll have a fulfilling life without going to clown school is low, I would consider it such an idea i would laugh, only if I deep down knew there was truth to it, would it trigger me.
Jordan produces some of the most beautiful, thought provoking answers. Steven you are one of NONE! Thank you!
Salute Dr Peterson 🫡 He's so necessary for today's society
What a conversation!
Thank you for sharing these meaningful thoughts. It's so engaging and moving! Thank you for all you do Steven and Jordan!
Jordan I’m so glad you are here helping young people. God is life! No matter how much people try to do, temporary life without God, they fail. Read the new testament and learn to do eternal life with God!
Great interview. Gold nuggets for those that listen and incorporate into your own life.
Diary of a ceo and from 4mil subs to 9mil in one year. He is definitely doing something right. Keep doing it
This was phenomenal. My favorite so far. Thank you. I know there’s only one Peterson, but more talks like this please.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING HIM ON!!!!!!
I've listened to so many hours of JBP in the last 10 years but I've got to say that this episode has provided me with some fresh material and new takes that I've found very pertinent to my life now (relating to marriage, commitment, porn, etc.)
I highly respect this man he's not afraid to speak about the truth and go into great detail about things that are uncomfortable to listen to
You mean. the christian believers "truth" right?
Brilliant interview! 👏
You seem to have taken enormous pride calling your partner “wife” towards the end of the podcast. That was beautiful and perhaps it answers your question if marriage is the right fit for you.
I had the same thoughts
I notice that too and smiled 💕.
❤ I noticed 🎉
Yes, I was delighted to hear Steven say “my wife”, @13:52 before the end of their discussion.
That was the effect of a strident conservative conversationalist on him... that just demonstrated to me that Steven was engaged in some people pleasing of his guest
Thank you so much for this conversation.
I love the section on humility, I think it’s a very rare thing to find in people in the world right now.
This is a magnificent intellectual and personal discussion. Well done!
Emotional and heartfelt. Very touching. Thank you for sharing yourselves.
I love Jordan Peterson and Diary of a CEO.
Jordan has gotten to the point where he just rambles himself into a rabbit hole.
It just goes on and on in circles.
I imagine all of Petersons speaking gigs and university teachings have trained him to speak in these never-ending and over explained scenarios.
You never know where you're going with him anymore.
A very intelligent man.
Peterson can't focus on just one idea at a time.
It seems like hes changed a lot in the past few years. I dont like him as much anymore but he is very intelligent, I think the fame and stress got to him.
@Christifia ... re: your comment ~ ''It just goes on and on in circles.
I imagine all of Petersons speaking gigs and university teachings have trained him to speak in these never-ending and over explained scenarios. You never know where you're going with him anymore''
Well : ) ... Simultaneous - Multi-dimensional 'thinking' & the 'verbal' language / expressions there-of cannot be comprehended &/or appreciated by the masses, per se. Why ? [to summarize it quickly] Mostly b/c they ''just cannot keep up'' ...[period] {N.B. No sarcasm nor put-downs.}
I'd argue that he [JP] is [finally] ''actually'' being 'his' *True* [un-leashed] *Self* - thus, refusing to 'self-pace' & 'dumb down' the [his] presentation & put it into a [formerly] ''neat & tidy'' package to please / capture the ''entire'' audience [anymore] ~ ...
'You said''/ ''stated'' ... ''Peterson can't focus on just one idea at a time.'' 1) Re-read the above 2 paragraphs 2) Question : Are you ''sure'' of your 'statement' or is that just 'your' assessment of him/it? Hmmm ? ... ; ) He can't ? OR ''chooses'' *not* to anymore ... One would ''need'' to 'widen' their IQ & EQ to grasp this 'concept' ... but Rest assured, the notion ''that He ''can't'' is Incorrect & Faulty thinking on 'your' / others part ~ You can also ''Apply'' 'previous' to your statement ~ ''Jordan has gotten to the point where he just rambles himself into a rabbit hole'' Hmmm ? ... ; ) Really ? Well ... ''maybe''' so from ''your'' - limited 'understanding' &/or 'current' limited 'capacity' to entertain ''other'' ? ...
Above said, I do have 2 friends that have also 'expressed' ''similar'' to yourself [to me]. That said, I can also 'appreciate'' [some] your comments/theirs BUT overall, I do not 'agree' : )
@cindyglass5827 he doesn't necessarily have to break down every point.
Steven isn’t a very good host for someone like JP as he just lets him ramble on and never really challenges or questions him enough.
@deanradley65 I would be intimidated.
Steven is young.
I agree, though .
Great interview
Steven allows people to talk but he listens so hard and comes up with fabulous follow up questions
Cheers mate, absolutely loved how you two connected there at the end as if there was no audience. Authentic and human
Best comprehensive interview of Peterson yet. What a gift! Thank you!
I've seen many episodes and I went out of my way to comment this time, only bc I want to say that this has got to be my favorite episode of them all. And I'm a little sad to know it will probably be the case for a long time. I've had book hangovers before and now I have experienced a podcast episode hangover too. But thank you for this guest. I would love to see him back again.
The dichotomy of hedonic pleasure and eudaimonic pleasure is such an important conversation. We need a reorientation to long term planning and meaningful pursuit.
Jordon is so inspirational. He gives us hope. I m so grateful to be able to spend time with him, thanks to TH-cam. He is a blessing.
Top-class brilliant conversation. Loving it!
Jordan Peterson is brilliant! Steven needs a couple of more hours of therapy with
J Peterson.
I was thinking the same thing. It was like a public open therapy session 😅