Your comments about desiring justice more than mercy flipped up a stone (or shattered a triangle) in me I wasn't expecting: my understanding of mercy is distorted. I always saw it more as inaction or withholding justice, which I suppose it is to some degree, but a vital element of mercy is love and compassion. Without these genuine feelings of kindness dwelling in our heart it is simply justice with a wig parading around as mercy. Somehow I learned to exercise "mercy" without love. No wonder it always felt like a grind.
The Anatomy of Peace is a great book that talks abt having a heart at peace or a heart at war. You can do the exact same actions with different results based on where your heart is… if it’s filled w love. The other person will feel the difference.
Cam's comment about Amalekiah being a type of the king of Assyria brought to mind Isaiah 1:7-8. The Nephites under Captain Moroni's defensive planning were in a cottage of safety while everywhere else there was destruction.
I'm still near the beginning of the video, so I don't know whether you realized this yourselves later, but Josh just said he wanted to stick to doctrine and not get into commentaries about the current situation. (I'm paraphrasing.) The whole point of the Book of Mormon though, is for us to learn about our current situation from it, right? PLEASE include commentaries on our current situation. In particular, I think that the letter Moroni wrote to Pahoran is exquisitely applicable to us right now. (I realize that letter is not in this video.) The reason for the details about those wars must also be something we need to learn from them to apply to our own lives now. We need that commentary, that application to ourselves. Thank you guys so much for all you always do!!
I think these chapters that have been brought up so many times in discussions about why is this here? I think it's for a future time when these chapters will be greatly needed when there will be a title of Liberty or a rally behind the Constitution that will be needed in the land and and these chapters are for those people
Just a thought on Cam's question on the connection between rending something and covenant making, or as was pointed out cutting a covenant. With hebrewisms I oftentimes look at the first definition we have in the Old testament on the topic. What I see here is a dividing which is occurring in connection with a covenant with the Creator. I believe it's instructive that the creation begins with a series of divisions. To me, I see that creation itself begins with a dividing or rending. When we make a covenant with the Creator, we are aligning ourselves with Him to make his will our will. We step into the process of creation when we make His ways our ways and enter into the covenant path. If we don't enter into the covenant path Satan, or the destroyer, has power over us and we are agents of destruction. Rending is just the beginning as you have to do as Abraham did and walk the covenant path by proving the contrary's in walking the straight and narrow path, noted by walking through pieces. Lots to talk about in all that but I think that captures the idea.
Great insights! Yet, no mention of the parallels between Nephites/Lamanites and Israel/Hamas? 😢 ❤🇮🇱 "O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenat people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people." - 2 Nephi 29:5 How is it that not one Come Follow Me channel has mentioned the abundantly clear parallels between Nephites/Lamanites and Israel/Hamas? Especially after the prophet invited us to study the promises to the covenant children of Israel.
Amalikiah put non lamanite propagandists on the towers when they didn't want to go to war initially. His murder of the king was our 9-11 or Gulf of Tonkin. Gets everybody whipped up in a jingoistic frenzy. Our radio TV and social media towers keeps our military full. Cannon fodder is found in every senior grad high school class ready to serve their country and protect the banks and attorneys and never the Constitution. We're not supposed to have a standing army only a navy. The police are another standing army who are tools of the adversary and attorneys too. Nothing more. My boss is even greater against cops with forearm tattoos. Luke 3:14 made West valley pd mad at me once and they made me show my hands. Don't feed them like Lachoneus.
There would have been a war any way eventually if Amlici or Amalikiah won the "election" because the Declaration of Independence is a righteous law. Much better than the Constitution.
24:40 what in the world...? Priesthood is not a bunch of priests wearing hoods. If you want to look at the word, compare it to neighborhood. Priesthood is a community of priests, which adhere to an order.
@@c.douglass8170 the suffix -hood doesn’t just refer to a community with a shared attribute, as in neighborhood. It also has reference to a condition or state of being, as in adulthood, fatherhood, motherhood, knighthood, etc.
@@ShatteringTriangles "hooded as priests" was the phrase used, and "hood" means a covering for the head & neck, or something similar in shape or use. Whereas -hood means: state, condition, character, nature So you are saying that I was more correct by pointing people to neighborhood than saying priests are hooded. Got it, thanks for the confirmation. Next time I'll be more technical and less layman in my response 😊 🤓
@@c.douglass8170 the suffix -hood is actually precisely “a group of people who wear a specific hood” in origin. The reference is a reference to the sacred clothing worn by priests and monks in medieval and renaissance times. It is the reason Hugh Nibley prayed once at a BYU graduation “Dear Heavenly Father, we come before you, clothed in the robes of a false priesthood.” The ceremony in which a graduate receives a cap and gown (at the graduate level) includes the bestowal of an actual hood and is called a “hooding ceremony” because the person has now been initiated into the order of those who are allowed to wear the hood. When that order is an order of priests, then it can be known as a priesthood. The hood that we use to refer to the role someone plays or the order to which he or she belongs or in which he or she is a participant is a literal reference to what was originally a sacred piece of matching clothing only permitted to be worn by those who belong to the order. The reason academic robes have hoods and words with -hood as a suffix exist in the English language is because many of those most responsible for the development of the English language were priests or monks (no one else was originally allowed) at places like Oxford and Cambridge (both founded in the 15th century while the English language was developing) and they had versions of what we know today as priesthood clothing ceremonies by which they recognized different orders of people with different achievements or in the case of monks different sacred rituals or focuses whch drew them together and made them a group. They were identified by the special hood that each order wore, which was different from the hood of the other orders. So the reference to being hooded as a priest was a literal reference to the precise origin of that term.
@@c.douglass8170 Right, but I don’t think those things are so distinct. I believe what Josh had in mind here was Nibley’s reference to graduation robes being “the black robes of a false priesthood” and the historical connection between being hooded/initiated into the monastical order, and its later adaption and use for other academic orders.
@@c.douglass8170 the precise origin of the suffix -hood as a term for a group of people who all hang together or are otherwise part of the same order is the fact that medieval monks had different orders, which all wore the same robes, but could be identified by their hoods which hung down their backs and had different colored patterns. This is still the case in academia today. This is the origin of the Hugh Nibley prayer comment about the black robes of a false priesthood. So the reference to hoods was perhaps a too literal reference to the actual origin of the suffix hood and its meaning. Apologies if it was confusing.
Your comments about desiring justice more than mercy flipped up a stone (or shattered a triangle) in me I wasn't expecting: my understanding of mercy is distorted. I always saw it more as inaction or withholding justice, which I suppose it is to some degree, but a vital element of mercy is love and compassion. Without these genuine feelings of kindness dwelling in our heart it is simply justice with a wig parading around as mercy. Somehow I learned to exercise "mercy" without love. No wonder it always felt like a grind.
The Anatomy of Peace is a great book that talks abt having a heart at peace or a heart at war. You can do the exact same actions with different results based on where your heart is… if it’s filled w love. The other person will feel the difference.
I appreciate your insights from these chapters. Always something to think about as we approach the end-times.
I'm hoping many Saints enjoy the lessons this c episode offers. I'm thoroughly impressed. 1:16:31
Cam's comment about Amalekiah being a type of the king of Assyria brought to mind Isaiah 1:7-8. The Nephites under Captain Moroni's defensive planning were in a cottage of safety while everywhere else there was destruction.
I'm still near the beginning of the video, so I don't know whether you realized this yourselves later, but Josh just said he wanted to stick to doctrine and not get into commentaries about the current situation. (I'm paraphrasing.) The whole point of the Book of Mormon though, is for us to learn about our current situation from it, right?
PLEASE include commentaries on our current situation. In particular, I think that the letter Moroni wrote to Pahoran is exquisitely applicable to us right now. (I realize that letter is not in this video.) The reason for the details about those wars must also be something we need to learn from them to apply to our own lives now. We need that commentary, that application to ourselves.
Thank you guys so much for all you always do!!
I think these chapters that have been brought up so many times in discussions about why is this here? I think it's for a future time when these chapters will be greatly needed when there will be a title of Liberty or a rally behind the Constitution that will be needed in the land and and these chapters are for those people
Just a thought on Cam's question on the connection between rending something and covenant making, or as was pointed out cutting a covenant. With hebrewisms I oftentimes look at the first definition we have in the Old testament on the topic. What I see here is a dividing which is occurring in connection with a covenant with the Creator. I believe it's instructive that the creation begins with a series of divisions. To me, I see that creation itself begins with a dividing or rending. When we make a covenant with the Creator, we are aligning ourselves with Him to make his will our will. We step into the process of creation when we make His ways our ways and enter into the covenant path. If we don't enter into the covenant path Satan, or the destroyer, has power over us and we are agents of destruction. Rending is just the beginning as you have to do as Abraham did and walk the covenant path by proving the contrary's in walking the straight and narrow path, noted by walking through pieces. Lots to talk about in all that but I think that captures the idea.
❤ So far, gonna share this far and wide.
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Great insights!
Yet, no mention of the parallels between Nephites/Lamanites and Israel/Hamas? 😢
❤🇮🇱
"O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenat people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people."
- 2 Nephi 29:5
How is it that not one Come Follow Me channel has mentioned the abundantly clear parallels between Nephites/Lamanites and Israel/Hamas? Especially after the prophet invited us to study the promises to the covenant children of Israel.
Amalikiah put non lamanite propagandists on the towers when they didn't want to go to war initially. His murder of the king was our 9-11 or Gulf of Tonkin. Gets everybody whipped up in a jingoistic frenzy. Our radio TV and social media towers keeps our military full. Cannon fodder is found in every senior grad high school class ready to serve their country and protect the banks and attorneys and never the Constitution. We're not supposed to have a standing army only a navy. The police are another standing army who are tools of the adversary and attorneys too. Nothing more. My boss is even greater against cops with forearm tattoos. Luke 3:14 made West valley pd mad at me once and they made me show my hands. Don't feed them like Lachoneus.
There would have been a war any way eventually if Amlici or Amalikiah won the "election" because the Declaration of Independence is a righteous law. Much better than the Constitution.
Where’s Todd?
24:40 what in the world...? Priesthood is not a bunch of priests wearing hoods. If you want to look at the word, compare it to neighborhood. Priesthood is a community of priests, which adhere to an order.
@@c.douglass8170 the suffix -hood doesn’t just refer to a community with a shared attribute, as in neighborhood. It also has reference to a condition or state of being, as in adulthood, fatherhood, motherhood, knighthood, etc.
@@ShatteringTriangles "hooded as priests" was the phrase used, and "hood" means a covering for the head & neck, or something similar in shape or use.
Whereas -hood means: state, condition, character, nature
So you are saying that I was more correct by pointing people to neighborhood than saying priests are hooded.
Got it, thanks for the confirmation. Next time I'll be more technical and less layman in my response 😊 🤓
@@c.douglass8170 the suffix -hood is actually precisely “a group of people who wear a specific hood” in origin. The reference is a reference to the sacred clothing worn by priests and monks in medieval and renaissance times. It is the reason Hugh Nibley prayed once at a BYU graduation “Dear Heavenly Father, we come before you, clothed in the robes of a false priesthood.” The ceremony in which a graduate receives a cap and gown (at the graduate level) includes the bestowal of an actual hood and is called a “hooding ceremony” because the person has now been initiated into the order of those who are allowed to wear the hood. When that order is an order of priests, then it can be known as a priesthood. The hood that we use to refer to the role someone plays or the order to which he or she belongs or in which he or she is a participant is a literal reference to what was originally a sacred piece of matching clothing only permitted to be worn by those who belong to the order.
The reason academic robes have hoods and words with -hood as a suffix exist in the English language is because many of those most responsible for the development of the English language were priests or monks (no one else was originally allowed) at places like Oxford and Cambridge (both founded in the 15th century while the English language was developing) and they had versions of what we know today as priesthood clothing ceremonies by which they recognized different orders of people with different achievements or in the case of monks different sacred rituals or focuses whch drew them together and made them a group. They were identified by the special hood that each order wore, which was different from the hood of the other orders.
So the reference to being hooded as a priest was a literal reference to the precise origin of that term.
@@c.douglass8170 Right, but I don’t think those things are so distinct. I believe what Josh had in mind here was Nibley’s reference to graduation robes being “the black robes of a false priesthood” and the historical connection between being hooded/initiated into the monastical order, and its later adaption and use for other academic orders.
@@c.douglass8170 the precise origin of the suffix -hood as a term for a group of people who all hang together or are otherwise part of the same order is the fact that medieval monks had different orders, which all wore the same robes, but could be identified by their hoods which hung down their backs and had different colored patterns. This is still the case in academia today. This is the origin of the Hugh Nibley prayer comment about the black robes of a false priesthood. So the reference to hoods was perhaps a too literal reference to the actual origin of the suffix hood and its meaning. Apologies if it was confusing.