I cannot express how much the constant solidarity and arguing on our behalf from people like Vaush and other cis leftists mean to me. We are such a small group and especially in this trans panic we desperately need allies.
This is why I get so incredibly frustrated when constantly seeing people spew lies to try and convince others of the contrary. Idk if its just VDS or some obsession with the aesthetic of oppression buts its absolutely infuriating. Vaush good, actually
About that utility argument, I think a good example would be bikinis. Wearing a bikini top and bottoms is socially acceptable, but walking around with a bra and underwear could be considered indecent exposure. At the same time, I would feel exposed in my underwear, but I don't when I wear a bikini. There is no functional difference between underwear and swimwear, but there is a contextual difference.
@@Whispitt if that is how low your bar is for functional difference then a car is also a paper weight. Swim wear is waterproof sometimes, at least made of a material that won't hold much water., because it function is cover up the body in an outside environment. Underwear has the function of comfort when wearing clothes and lends itself to a hygienic, relatively protected enviroment for the genitals. No functional difference, only a contextual difference is not this. Because no one wears underwear to the beach (even if they are 100% not going to be seen) and no one wears swim wear under their clothes all day. That is a functional difference.
I want to point out what "regretting taking hormones" can and probably mostly means. There are side effects from taking hormones. Sometimes if you have a blood disorder those side effects are deadly. Sometimes people don't like those side effects enough to where they stop taking hormones. My cousin (who's MTF) recently talked about how she stopped taking HRT because it was making her tired all the time and it was giving her headaches. She may have the same blood disorder I have where a spike of estrogen can give her a stroke if she takes to much of it. She "regrets" taking HRT because she regrets having all of that time wasted. She wouldn't regret it at all if those shitty side effects didn't happen.
Thenk you for talking about it . I have a genetic condition thet probably won't work with HRT ... Wanting to live more then wanting to have the correct gendered body is also a thing
yeah I feel like conservatives think "people who were mistaken about thinking they were trans, were in fact cis, 'rushed' into hormones and now deeply regret the changes" make up the _entirety_ of detransition figures, and yet even the most thorough studies on the subject don't seem to distinguish to that level of specificity and I mean, as rare as it is I can sympathise with detransitioners who do feel that way, when I first realized I was nonbinary I convinced myself for months that I wanted short hair more than anything else in the world - I finally got my hair cut and immediately felt like shit, and no amount of tweaks made me feel any less dysphoric about it, took me two years to grow it back where I like it and I never looked back. my transness never hinged on the length of my hair tho, and growing it back out never made me feel any less trans, so I guess there's that? almost nine years later and Halloween finally marked nine months on T!! (funny enough I also have a condition that makes estrogen fuck me up, but my doctor from way back around when I first came out led me to believe that it was just a blanket "any changes to your natural hormone levels" that was the problem, bc she assumed I wouldn't have considered testosterone)
there are solutions with less side-effects such as injections or topical creams, maybe your friend can consult these with the doctor. Indeed, taking estrogen or t blocker pills make you tired :/ oh also, one of my friends got her testicles removed, as a result she doesn't need any blockers anymore.
I have a friend who tried to medically transition years ago but had to stop because her body was rejecting the medication and making her obese. She never regrets taking the medication. But not being able to medically transition has absolutely destroyed her self-esteem and many other aspects of her life. She regrets not being able to continue transition her body.
About the surgery side. I used to have a severe overbite. My entire childhood until 18 was basically me going to a dentist to prepare my teeth for how they should be after surgery. Do you know how overbite to my degree is fixed? They literally cut my lower jaw and sliced a piece of it off. And that's not all, they also sliced my upper jaw and pushed it forward. I puked blood for two days after it and my face was swelled almost three times bigger. I can physically touch the edge of my upper jaw going further than normal people, I can put my tongue behind the upper jaw. Sometimes in cold weather, I loose some feeling in my chin, when normally before it didn't. In fact, I'm also loosing it right now as I'm typing. Would I ever go back to not having the surgery? Never. I got daily headaches, because I used to pull my chin back subconsciously so much, that I had to retrain my brain to realize that, holy s**t, normal people can pull their chins back, because furthest back was my default. And obviously when your head resembles a troll face, there were the insecurities. My point is, all surgery is horrible if you look at it from the perspective of "what did they do to you". But, people getting surgeries view it as "what will this do for me". They know the operation is going to look horrible to outsiders, but the end result is what matters.
@@jd0604 if a pre op transwoman who has been on hrt for years goes of hrt for 3 months they can have sex and get a baby like everyone else. Also transwoman who are lesbian (like me) often freeze in sperm before going on hrt and pregnate there partner later. Also the side affect of hrt arent as bad as people make it out to be.
Documentary; definition; noun - a movie or a television or radio program that provides a *FACTUAL* record or report Matt Walsh creates fan fiction for fascists. Lets call it what it is.
@@M3G4FR34K I really respect and appreciate Jessie Gender, but at the same time her stuff feels so dry a lot of the time... it definitely has its audience, but a full-on 4 hour video of that is a lot to me.
I swear to god the infertility thing just comes off as some creepy "you need to not transition because your duty as a MAN is to impregnate a woman" to me and its so fucking weird. It's mentioned multiple times and gives me matt walsh vibes; like wtf is peoples obsession with demanding people have kids? Edit: If I had let the video play for 3 more seconds vaush says the same shit. good to know i wasnt the only one.
@Phil Davidson How the fuck is it cruel when they're consciously making the choice to do so? That's the whole point! They often don't want to be fertile with their assigned gender. If we had better technology, I'm sure many trans people would opt to be fertile in the way their chosen gender is supposed to be. Again, some people might want kids and others have no desire to have kids at all.
Imagine a transphobic person setting up a blind date for another straight woman and says it’s a man. She arrives and they meet a trans woman. That is not at all what she was thinking she was signing up for.
@@jimbob498 you are literally just reading the comment wrong. What if I set you up on a date, and the person is ends up being a person with a vagina that identifies and presents as a man? Would that make you upset? Or would you be okay with it based entirely on their genitals? I assume that you must be ok with it based on your premise.
Imagine if your gonna head is on your own life or so hard for your yyyyye lol I just need to get some stuff done for the day time lol I think I can just go get some breakfast lol I have some stuff
As someone who was baptized into one of the most extreme Christian denominations (church of Christ), I appreciate this content so much ❤️ thank you for putting this out, I hate the way I used to think and I’m grateful for videos like this because you educate people like me & show solidarity to the trans community too ❤
Glad you got out! If you have any questions feel free to ask us transfolk, we’d be happy to help talk to people. The fact you’re trying to understand at all means so so much, I hope you know that
One of my trans friends explained to me how the estrogen affects her fertility and how she doesn't give a fuck about that. Having access to hormones for transitioning is clearly a net positive
2:10: Breaking down linguistic proscriptivism (on a prioritizing a utilitarian definition) 13:50: Understanding gender as an identifier that people choose 16:00: Pediatric prescription of HRT is an involved process 20:06: Bone density changes can be mitigated if HRT is started early, and info on brain development changes using precocious pubesence studies 24:25: Are too many kids transitioning these days? No 27:50: Regret rates? And "not enough studies" being weaponized while not allowing case studies to form 37:15: Vaush Take - Teens should have AMPLE consultation before getting hormone therapy 45:00: How can you limit gender treatment to people with perfect mental health in your studies? And "peer pressure" 47:50: Vaush Take - Fad is not bad 58:00: Swedish Health Board's perspective is political, not medical 1:00:00: They DID monitor a guy for 22 years who took puberty blockers in adolescence and he's doing swell (and then TW: suicide as peer pressure for parents? And decreasing suicidality) 1:06:00: "Off-label" does not mean "experimental". What's the difference between using puberty blockers for precocious puberty and gender dysphoria? 1:08:00: Eostrogen and osteoporosis 1:14:30: Depression and puberty blockers aren't correlated if the patient was depressed beforehand . . . 1:17:45: The bone density problems disappear if you replace the hormone, and why tf are we obsessed with sperm counts 1:22:00: affecting fertility is the goal, not a side effect . . .
i’m glad that vaush is standing beside us so proudly. he’s one of the best advocates for trans rights in history. he’s literally making our community stronger by offering concise talking points. and this two hours of trans solidarity is exactly the support we didn’t ask for but so desperately needed. hearing so many awful things abt us in the news or on the internet gets exhausting.
Thank you for being supportive to your kiddo Its almost the bare minimum but its great to see parents openly support basic human rights lol🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Late reply so nobody will give a shit but I wanna say thanks so much for supporting them. I've had so many friends, Friend's friends,even family who have either given up on their life or are miserable because their own flesh and blood wouldn't accept them. Thanks for being an unbelievably amazing person ❤️
Lol To be fair a lot of his talking points ate defending people's existence Which to a lot of people feels like something that shouldn't have to be defended but has to anyways Most of what he says to support trans people is jjst imperics and data and a leftist perspective and thats stuff everyone can find out But he's the one thags kinda having to defend it
So here’s a good ratio for people who think that sex and gender are the same thing: “If sex and gender are the same thing, then I had gender with your mom AND your dad because, unlike you, I don’t discriminate”
sex and gender are synonyms. however that doesn't mean that one word can be completely replaced with the other regardless of the context. the statement "i had gender with someone" is nonsensical.
@@zkittlesbutbetter no. that part makes sense. since sex and gender can take on the same meaning they can be used interchangeably depending on the context. For example on medical forms. The way you used them they cannot. That's what made what you wrote nonsensical.
@@the-gadfly4743 so I made a purposely nonsensical scenario to make fun of the nonsensical argument of “sex and gender are the same thing”. Do you get it now?
@@zkittlesbutbetter the argument is not nonsensical. sex and gender have a common definition as i pointed out, which you can verify by looking them up in Merriam-Webster's dictionary. i'm aware that you made a nonsensical statement. Whether you misunderstand what it means for the words to be synonymous on purpose or unwittingly is immaterial.
@Phil Davidson Saying a woman's body is centered around gametes is pretty fucked up, its true they put more energy into it, but humans are a Mildly sexually dimorphic species. Regardless you as a person who speaks with such certainty must know bigger people have bigger cells and vice versa, although woman on average are a bit smaller than men, I still see quite a few tall women. But let's not get any of that icky truth stuff get int the way. you never talked about mobility and the biology definition of gender is problematic and unhelpful within it's own field and is not me to be or used in a social context by biologists. but your stupid you don't give a rat's ass about any of that nasty truth stuff so show me your right show me it's easy . . . define a sandwich.
@Phil Davidson Sex can’t purely be about gametes because then you’ve excluded every XX female born without ovaries or otherwise infertile and you’ve included every XY male born with ovarian tissue. And where would people with *both* ovarian and testicular tissue fit under your measure? Like, for one, we obviously don’t even use the gametes to determine sex in practice. No one is even testing the chromosomes of every newborn baby. It’s just a cursory Glace at their external anatomy and a doctor checking off which box they think aligns best with what they see between the legs. Second, even biological sex is not a computer binary. It’s literally a bimodal spectrum, strongly polarized yes, but that’s the only way you’re ever gonna actually describe the entire reality objectively as it is observed. And third, this is *all* besides the fact that you’re purposefully and erroneously conflating gender and sex to begin with. A woman is a gender identity and female describes biological sex.
Holy shit this. My young cousin did gymnastics for years and she’s still dealing with the way it screwed up her ankle/hip. She had to step out and take a huge break when the doctors caught a stress fracture happening in her femur from it
The section comparing Vaush to Reuters article made me so mad because Vaush literally said hormones and Reuters were talking about blockers. Implicitly hormones = gender transition hormones like estrogen/testosterone to start the transition, blockers do not. Blockers have no known harm outside normal medications and are reversible. So it is not inconsistent to say it does take a very long time/process to get on hormones (or get surgery), even if blockers have a lower barrier to entry.
Transphobes see no difference when talking about hormones and puberty blockers. Like, they are saying that there are kids getting surgeries and doctors are pushing them into medical transition. They do not know what the process is to get any trans healthcare and they don't care to know. They say kids are getting pushed onto hormones too early or spread incorrect information on puberty blockers because they know how to make that sound terrifying to anyone without passing knowledge of trans healthcare.
Like I am currently recovering from top surgery and despite my surgeon being amazing and deliberately keeping appointments open specifically for top surgeries(so I wouldn't be waiting months), the process was still months long and this is the best case scenario.
I feel like this should be obvious to literally anyone who’s ever had to go to the doctors for something, which I would have thought is pretty much everyone. In what world do you walk in, say you want a medication, and walk out with it? I had to go to multiple doctor appointments and fight with my insurance company and Walgreens just to get fucking birth control. My dad dealt with a growing stomach tumor for YEARS because doctors insisted it wasn’t life threatening and would be a “cosmetic” surgery (even though it turned out to be a cancerous growth). Even when doctors are awesome and want to help the medical system is so insane and overburdened that even getting simple stuff resolved takes a minimum of several months.
@@albertfralinger2711 in this context let’s consider a transphobe someone who holds bigoted/prejudiced views about trans people or denies their very existence and/or right to exist in society. Example- someone who insists and doubles down, repeatedly, on deadnaming and misgendering openly trans people, or someone who calls transgenderism a mental illness or degeneracy that threatens society Someone who just genuinely is not informed about the topic and asks good faith questions is not a transphobe, but someone who willfully Sealions about the topic while refusing to engage with the information given to them is probably one. Ranger here is probably making the flat earth comparison because usually, transphobes are taking a position that is *against* all of the current scientific consensus about gender and biological sex. They are stubbornly advocating for demonstrably destructive policies based on a rejection of empirical reality, so long as it aligns with their higher priority for their theocratic or otherwise conservatively social prescriptions (ex. When some of them claim to care about children’s mental health but wave away or even outright celebrate the trans suicide rate that they contribute to), similar to how a flat earther will ignore all evidence that points to a round planet, because it doesn’t fit their conspiracy agenda.
@@MsScarletwings I generally agree with most of the things you said here. I have a heavy science background and I believe in the importance of questions. Sometimes I am called transphobic though, simply for asking questions. Transgenderism has had many recent changes in society and I believe the topic should be discussed freely. There has been a drastic increase in transgender youth in the past five years. We should ask why. Whether there has been genetic, social, or environmental changes, it would be good to know why. That questions is unbiased. Its just a question. My biggest disagreement with your statement is the classification. I don't know why it is wrong to consider this a mental disorder. I accept that there are some people that naturally born like this, but its still a disorder. Its seems very contradictory to say that there is nothing wrong with transgenders and yet demand medical treatment. Medical treatments are for medical conditions. Some compare trans to homosexuals, but this is a week argument because homosexuals require no medical treatment. Again, I'm not implying that transgenderism is a bad thing, but I can't see how it should not be considered a medical disorder.
@@albertfralinger2711 One small thing for ya, might answer some of ur questions later but for now: Transfenderism is more commonly used by people trying to make it sound like a cult or religion. Aka mostly transphobes :) I would rephrase it to something like trans(gender) issues. Still neutral and accurate.
@@Kickiusz Thank you for your honest answer. Genuinely the best response I have received. Its a very interesting thought about not knowing your identity until learning a term for it. If you lived in a vacuum from social interaction, you would never know that your agender and at the same time you would never think yourself to be a weird man either. Social influence is a critical part of in defining identity, but not necessarily shaping it
You totally missed the chance to add, "To Fall Asleep To", in the title. Or study. Like lofi or thunderstorm sounds. Someone needs to remake this with a crackling fire and a snowstorm background. vAuShMR
Just to say for all the older trans people out there, while the most obvious best results are when you start young, it's never too late. You've never run out of time to be yourself and get that transition
Yes, thank you While I understand this at heart its still nice to hear lol I just went through puberty but since I wasn't even able to consider socially transitioning until I turned 18 this year I've only just now started on my journey and I haven't even worked up the courage to socially transitiom bit its really nice to hear stuff lkke this lol
@@teapotsoup2851 lmaooo Its honestly just really nice to finally have a comuntiy too lol Imma musician and stuff but jts always been hard for me to find a space where im welcome for more than just my musical interests
@@teapotsoup2851 haha I'm a huge fan of construction tbh One of my old friends was kinda born into a construction business and I hung around them a lot I hope enough are able to find the best space possible for that There are definitely tons of people in construction/architecture and stuff thag are pro lgbtq but they aren't as easy to find or aren't as overtly open abkut any political stuff Some of the local construction where I live uses pride and trans flags instead of American flags on there cranes and stuff Cool shit tbh
when it comes to fertility, I'm a trans woman and I am very concerned with my fertility... from the other direction. I've spent hundreds of hours reading studies on the potential viability of uterus transplants for trans women, but if my balls stop working, I literally don't want them anyway
@@PlatinumAltaria LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣 there has never been a uterus transplant on a male transvestite. If you have some evidence that there has, then show it to me. And don't upvote your own comment.
1:10:42 Yes. Osteoporosis is massively common in post-menopausal women because estrogen falls off sharply. Cis-women get estrogen for that reason all the time. Also to prevent the hormone imbalance from masculinizing their features. Testosterone effectively does the same thing while a lack of sex hormones makes bones brittle. Which is why puberty blockers can cause osteoporosis as they lower the production of either sex hormone. HRT would solve the issue as well as stopping the blockers.
About fertility: current recommendations determine that adolescents should be refered to a fertility clinic and be given the choice to freeze their sperm/eggs. So yeah, it is being acknowledged and sorted by clinicians, we're not that stupid
From what I've seen, you're not supposed to be on only antiandrogens without estrogen for the long term because bodies without any sex hormones eventually lose bone density. So any concerns about bone density loss from being on puberty blockers too long are really arguments in favor of starting HRT earlier.
I totally see where Vaush is coming from in regards to bottom surgery. My take is such: In my day, the #1 graduation gift were breast implants and now it's BBLs; the #1 graduation gift hopefully will be bottom surgery.
BIOLOGY, SOCIOLOGY, PSYCHOLOGY THESE THREE FORMS OF BOTH SOFT AND HARD SCIENCE GATHER TOGETHER TO CREATE: "TRANS RIGHTS ARE VALID, SUPPORTED BY THE OVERWHELMING VAST MAJORITY OF EXPERTS GLOBALLY"
Vaush, something you got wrong in this was that you think body related dysphoria is a social category thing. If I had grown up on a deserted island with no other humans around, I would have taken flaked obsidian to the dysphoria noodle to get rid of it; it felt like a wrong thing. You don't need other humans who don't have leeches stuck to them to want to get rid of the parasite on you. Appreciate the work you're doing generally here.
Definitely, some of my dysphoria is purely social (e.g. my dysphoria around facial hair is mostly just a matter of facial hair being seen as masculine socially) but some of it is absolutely not (e.g. my hating having a flat chest has nothing to do with whether or not boobs or flat chests are gendered)
Deleting my comment bc I finished watching the video and Vaush didn't even say anything wrong. There is a strong social aspect to it and the fact is we don't know to what extent that colours our perception. He made it clear that it wouldn't remove all desire to transition from everyone though.
@@estebandelasexface8193 Because dysphoria is inconsistent. Usually, gender euphoria related to not conforming to your assigned gender role is the one thing all trans people experience and can connect to. At least imo, from what I've seen and experienced as a trans person.
The idea that pure H²O would bind to your internal organs and cause damage is a false urban myth. You can drink pure distilled water, or even triply-distilled water (about as pure as its possible to get) with no ill effects at all. ** (Note: water created chemically through the direct combustion of an oxygen/hydrogen gaseous mixture might "theoretically" seem more pure but could possibly contain trace amounts of hydrogen peroxide and/or heavy water, which would both be potentially harmful).
I think his original debate actually straight up had the better example of heavy water, so that's a very minor L in an overall W. It is a good correction though. Honestly though, the argument overall still holds up if you focus on the fact that the majority of the water we do actually use outside of laboratory applications... literally isn't pure H2O and we have zero social expectation for it to be, so Bogardus' argument was completely incoherent with the natural functions of language.
@@BlightestBlight OK I know. What I dont know, however is why you call yourself a woman. 2 hours of arguments but not 1 proper definition of what a woman is.
The problem with the river analogy in practice is that the conservative will redirect it as a reason why the trans person is at fault. If we were all playing on the same team and all wanted the most accurate understanding of reality possible, these would be great arguments. But when people just want an excuse to hate trans people, it's very easy to make the leap from any level of nuance and the deductive reasoning, to the conclusion that "we wouldn't have this issue if not for trans people mucking it up"
I would have dropped this article very early, at the Ron DeSantis quote if not earlier. You have a much higher tolerance for reading bullshit than I do.
Yo to the losers in chat making fun of the mom for crying when talking about her daughter, I need you to try and understand that she's probably crying from both relief and thinking about mistakes she made. Shit's hard to deal with without a support network (and in a deeply conservative area) and she's probably thinking about the missteps she took that ended up hurting her daughter. Which would upset most parents. So maybe try to be just a bit more understanding to people in the future.
this was awesome. the fearmongering really is crazy right now and i wanna feel equipped to talk properly to ma fellow cises about it & dispel some of the nonsense when it pops up. videos like this and other channels like jessie gender & jangles sciencelad are really helping
The Caspian Sea is technically a lake, since it doesn't have any connections to the ocean. But it is very big and saltwater, so everyone just calls it a sea
That, and the Dr. Bogus crowd should have lost the nanosecond someone realized the phrase "sea water" exists and has virtually identical syntactic usage to "trans woman". Or that the majority of what we consider water on Earth isn't even "H2O". Someone should send Bogardus a bottle of Dead Sea water to prove a point.
Fun fact: it is cited that puberty blockers kill hundreds of people, but that is (exclusively) counting those who took puberty blockers in the cancer treatment and later died as a result of the cancer. Transphobes being disingenuous is nothing new though.
Honestly think being a definition pervert over the meaning of words is unproductive, and circularly semantic. It's better to focus on what people think of when the words are spoken. Because in Saussarian terms, words are just the "signs" we use to mean something else the "signified". In reality, there are women who fit the idea of a woman conventionally or unconventionally. Whether they are literal barbies or very butch, it would be stupid to argue the butch woman is somehow less of a woman.
That's the problem. Conservatives don't understand semiotics. Hell, Bogardus has a PhD and he doesn't understand semiotics. Conservatives, especially in America, are basically raised to treat words as magic power talismans that literally just are manifestations of single, absolute concepts, which can be reduced to universal constants. And to not notice when those so-called constants Just Change Outright every so often, like the pink and blue bullshit, unless drawing attention to it is useful for political clout through targeting minorities. Look at all the people who believe communism is when the government does things because of Reagan's brain rot. Even a lot of the left is prone to this magical thinking - look at the discourse around "progressive" censorship and how little of it has anything to do with something useful like consequential arguments about broader systemic media trends.
That being said, based comment. Obviously true, for people who know the first fucking thing about language as it functions in reality. Words aren't magic runes, they aren't sacred, and they aren't the actual thing.
Definitions have basis in reality. They refer to a specific thing, situation or feeling. "Water is H2O" what is being expressed in this sentence? That "Water" has always fundamentally been the molecule "H2O", which everyone could find out given the right equipment. By "H2O" I refer to the hydrogen and the 2 oxygen atoms, not the name.
I love how the right will write a 20 page article and then not cite a single source or write a single footnote and then complain about there not being enough research done
"Intestinal" vaginoplasty is when they build the vaginal cavity using some of the colon tissue. The method is more invasive and takes longer to recover from, but it's growing in popularity vs. the penile inversion method, where the skin from the shaft of the penis is used for the cavity walls. In both methods, the labia are usually crated from the scrotum skin. Most of the nerves from the tip of the penis form the clitoris, while some are moved to the back of the canal to form a G-spot. All such procedures are terrifying to watch, but once the scars heal, the resulting vagina can be downright gorgeous.
@@jakethehyena.anotheraccoun442your skill was brought up for the same reason my vagina "not being the real thing" was brought up - to show you some casual disrespect, that's all
@@FelisImpurrator yea man I know. Trans water is still a funny term. He still took that term he came up with on the fly during a debate and made a 2 hour video on it. I agree completely with what you said tho I just felt like you thought I disagreed with that
@@SEESBoy-hy8jz yes! Lolol I only just learned about it recently. The entire idea of Suezo (& just Monster Rancher in general) is absolutely fucking hilarious to me lmao
The map is not the territory. Words are a map for "reality", but they are not "reality" itself. General Semantics is a great tool for this kind of thing. I didn't describe it perfectly but please check it out. Great vid too, Thanks Vaush for defending us so well and for so long!
from what my doctors have told me (16 y/o on lupron about to go on e) the lupron causes decreased bone density because ur not rlly going thru puberty while on it, so going on hrt will reverse it. i take vitamin d supplements rn to combat this, and im completely fine, and i will stop those supplements once i go on estrogen this december.
39:31 There is finally going to be a vote in the parlament for reforming trans laws in Finland later this year. I'm hopeful that things will improve since our current government is relatively progressive and also managed to make abortion access easier a few weeks back. The current trans law in Finland is horrible and requires infertility before being able to legally change gender.
In utilitarian terms, gender dysphoria is equally bad whether it's a cis or trans person experiencing it, so we should incrementally loosen up the gatekeeping for medical transition until the final crop of patients has a 50% regret rate. Of course doctors are cowards, so that won't happen, but it should.
The limit for arsenic in water is .01mg per liter. Or .01 parts per million is the acceptable limit for the epa. The ld50 for arsenic is 2-20mg/kg. So 140mg to 1.4g of arsenic is the median deadly dose for a mid sized adult.
@@Cumdown As an extra, "Median" is the value within the data sample separating the upper and lower halves of that same sample. It's a form of average used in statistics, different from the mean (what we colloquially call the average) in that it isn't affected by a small proportion of statistical outliers, and thus is a better representation of a "typical" value in that sample. The reason they're using "median" here even thought they're showing a range rather than a specific value goes back to "ld50" - that is, the amount of a compound expected to kill half of the population, were they to consume it, measured by weight of the coumpound by weight of the consumer - thus, ld50 and "median deadly dose" are synonimous. Because we're talking about humans, actually experimenting to get the precise ld50 might be a tad difficult, which can result in it being expressed in ranges rather than in one flat value (as medians usually are).
The only people concerned about potential fertilift loss in trans girls, are the parents that want Grandchildren,...and the Fathers that feel the only function their trans daughters have is... "passing on the family legacy and name." As a Transgender woman, when my doctor explained it to me I just rolled up my sleeve and said " slap it on doc."
If it's in Ohio, it's pronounced as 'Merican as possible. There's Bellefontaine (pronounced bell-fountain), Versailles (pronounced Ver-sales), Elyria (pronounced alleeria), Lagrange (pronounced Luh-grainj) and countless others. Akron in particular is in the Cleveland-adjacent part of Ohio that also has Mentor (menner), Canton (cae'-nn), Medina (muh-dyna), and others.
What I take from this, is that if you want puberty blockers to be safe, you will find research that validate that will. If you want puberty blockers to be dangerous, you will find research that validate that will. If you don’t have any bias and only care about the truth, you will find research that suggest that puberty blockers are very likely, but not 100% safe.
The first lesson in any college linguistics program is that linguistic prescriptivism is unscientific and arbitrary. Language is just a way for us to communicate shit in our brains to other people. There's no set rule about what man or woman (or any word) means in some essential form. Words are really just stand ins for ideas we're tying to communicate, in everyday speech we pick whatever words are most effective to get the message across. The whole debate on the meaning of man or woman is inherently flawed because its based in prescriptivism and is just dumb semantics at a certain point. The right's arguments for some concrete definition of man or woman will literally never work because people are biologically geared to use whatever language works best for their purposes.
OMG thank you Vaush 20:02 has made me a fan for life. You have no idea how hard it is to explain to many transphobes or well meaning people, that the whole "fertility" concern is only a concwern for THEM. Most trans girls care more about NOT killing themselves.
the problem with all the "identification" idea is, it reduces! trans"ness" to shallow bits of presentation (which some of us lack) and stuff and utility (which we ALL clearly lack ... btw) which you just "randomly identify with" and yeah. i think its the wrong approach - though i dont necessarily have a better one. i think the real approach would actually be to make people UNDERSTAND trans-sexualism and trans-genderism in the way, that the "truth" of people is what they say they are, and thats it what matters and not the outside perception of sth - and to make it clear that there is people that ARE IN FACT the people they say they are, and do have the "Mind/Soul/Brain/Consciousness" of beeing Women, and some if not still most of them actually also WANT (ideally) the body of whats linked to it. the messing up just happened when people suddenly arrived that felt they were women, who somehow do not even remotely want an actual female body - which is still beyond my grasp as a trans women actually. i can understand, some people do not want to actually undergo a surgery thats risky, but not wanting it "generally" in the sense of "not even if magic" i cannot grasp that. id basically KILL for "having been born a women in whats considered a female body" (id preferrably kill h*tler of course but ...) i do sense a strong difference in people when asked "if a fairy would grant you a wish" - trans women will answer "i wish id been born a women in a female body" - while others dont - and i cannot grasp that. to me those people ARE IN FACT NOT transsexual. they may be trans-gender though.
I doubt vaush himself will read this but hopefully some vaushite will. Not to sound ableist but I have a friend who is not the sharpest tool in the shed, how do I explain any of this to him, he is transphobic out of his ignorance, how do I educate him with few big words, and a way I can keep his attention.
Use the Socratic method: ask questions. Why do they think what they think? What assumptions are they basing it on? So just ask him "Even if trans people are all liars, does that mean they shouldn't have equal rights?"
I think Vaush's arguments are a bit too complex generally to change anyone's mind. I think all you have to point is the difference between gender and sex. "Gender and sex are the same." Okay, what part of my biological sex is related to whether or not I can wear a dress? Women were considered stepping out of line when some started wearing pants, what did that have anything to do with sex? Gender is that social construct, explain the specific examples of jewelry and hair length and distinguish between gender and sex. Once you've done that, the question is "Why can't men wear a dress?" I mean, the Scots did it, hell some I know still do it. In a free society, shouldn't men be free to wear dresses? To have long hair? Shouldn't women be free to wear pants and not wear jewelry? And the all important question at the end of all of this, "Why do you care?" That's the trans argument I use for others, hope that's helpful. If the discussion goes medical or mental health, there's a million arguments in favor of trans, so you can take it from there.
@@cole7274 yeah good points, I should have specified that like I think he gets the concept of trans people the problem arises when it comes to pronouns. He once misgendered my (at the time) non binary partner and I said "it's They, come on it's not that hard" and his response was "I know it's not hard it just sounds weird to me". And when the conversation of my pronouns came up he said "I would still call you (deadname) because I wanna be respectful" in that moment I was the "The woman was too stunned to speak" meme. I just had no idea how he viewed deadnaming and misgendering as more respectful to trans people, and haven't brought it up again because I don't know how to dumb it down to *that* level. I did go on to explain that that wasn't okay and he said that I can educate him some other time about and he'll try to do better, that's the only reason I haven't dropped him. Like at this point I need to teach him like 4th grade manners that it's more respectful to respect someone's wishes than to go by whatever arbitrary set in stone view he has of respect.
@@ladymaria8867 Yeah in terms of names and pronouns and such, I'd bring up nicknames. If someone asks you to call them by a certain name, it's respectful to do so, because that's what they're asking you to do. Anything else is incorrect and against their wishes
I guess I am one of the trans women, that wants to have bigger booba. I mean, it's ok when Cis-gender women want them bigger right? Maybe _some_ trans people might not get treatments and surgeries if society simply accepted them as their gender, but I think it would be a minority, this completely ignores people that are not doing it for camouflague. Some of us HATE our male bodies, as much as some cis-men HATE man boobs and some cis-women hate facial hair. I think on this " Hot take" you should have spoken with Jessie Gender before you spoke out. You are trivializing gender dysphoria by suggesting it can be " socialized away with societal acceptance". I find that offensive.
@@gingy3778 No problem! I felt that I should mention that because I realized that my previous comment, without a tone indicator, is totally liable to be misinterpreted.
For comparison, check out the statistics on how many people regret getting cosmetic surgery. No one gives a shit about that, though, because it's insanely lucrative and we accept people wanting to be more attractive within their assigned gender.
1:09:30 it's the opposite afaik, stopping hormone blockers and getting sex hormones of any kind actually reverses the bone density problems, so you can eithe just stop the blockers and let the body do its thing, or you can start hrt - both will solve the problem Edit: he mentioned this a few minutes later, i will still leave this up as a reminder for people though
I cannot express how much the constant solidarity and arguing on our behalf from people like Vaush and other cis leftists mean to me. We are such a small group and especially in this trans panic we desperately need allies.
U mean egg, vowsh is egg
@@thekingoffailure9967 many are saying this
@@thekingoffailure9967 Vaush’s bigotry against bottoms is a confession of his own true desires
@@lillily4655 Vaush's bigotry against bottoms only pleases them
This is why I get so incredibly frustrated when constantly seeing people spew lies to try and convince others of the contrary. Idk if its just VDS or some obsession with the aesthetic of oppression buts its absolutely infuriating. Vaush good, actually
About that utility argument, I think a good example would be bikinis. Wearing a bikini top and bottoms is socially acceptable, but walking around with a bra and underwear could be considered indecent exposure. At the same time, I would feel exposed in my underwear, but I don't when I wear a bikini.
There is no functional difference between underwear and swimwear, but there is a contextual difference.
Do you mean utility of horomones?
This could be used to make an anti trans argument or a pro trans argument
There is absolutely a functional difference between underwear and swim wear...
@@Cumdown and, shockingly, that difference is entirely based on contextual utility.
@@Whispitt if that is how low your bar is for functional difference then a car is also a paper weight.
Swim wear is waterproof sometimes, at least made of a material that won't hold much water., because it function is cover up the body in an outside environment.
Underwear has the function of comfort when wearing clothes and lends itself to a hygienic, relatively protected enviroment for the genitals.
No functional difference, only a contextual difference is not this. Because no one wears underwear to the beach (even if they are 100% not going to be seen) and no one wears swim wear under their clothes all day.
That is a functional difference.
Transphobes be like "YOUR GENDER IS WHATS IN YOUR PANTS!!" okay then my pronouns are Skid/Marks
🤣🤣🤣
My pronouns are hair/y
"I guess my pronouns are your/mother."
goddamn this shit made me laugh 💀😂
Then my pronouns are She/it
i was in the middle of a trans rights battle in a comment section... and then, this video descends like an arch angel to a prophet
Any good prophet does argue for trans rights. 🙏 💖
@@Ass_of_Amalek Them thighs of destiny tho
It's prophet, not profit in this context. Fight on! 💕
@@ashleecantu6470 Yeah, a profit would be a televangelist, in context. And therefore probably a right-winger.
I want to point out what "regretting taking hormones" can and probably mostly means. There are side effects from taking hormones. Sometimes if you have a blood disorder those side effects are deadly. Sometimes people don't like those side effects enough to where they stop taking hormones.
My cousin (who's MTF) recently talked about how she stopped taking HRT because it was making her tired all the time and it was giving her headaches. She may have the same blood disorder I have where a spike of estrogen can give her a stroke if she takes to much of it.
She "regrets" taking HRT because she regrets having all of that time wasted. She wouldn't regret it at all if those shitty side effects didn't happen.
Thenk you for talking about it . I have a genetic condition thet probably won't work with HRT ... Wanting to live more then wanting to have the correct gendered body is also a thing
yeah I feel like conservatives think "people who were mistaken about thinking they were trans, were in fact cis, 'rushed' into hormones and now deeply regret the changes" make up the _entirety_ of detransition figures, and yet even the most thorough studies on the subject don't seem to distinguish to that level of specificity
and I mean, as rare as it is I can sympathise with detransitioners who do feel that way, when I first realized I was nonbinary I convinced myself for months that I wanted short hair more than anything else in the world - I finally got my hair cut and immediately felt like shit, and no amount of tweaks made me feel any less dysphoric about it, took me two years to grow it back where I like it and I never looked back. my transness never hinged on the length of my hair tho, and growing it back out never made me feel any less trans, so I guess there's that? almost nine years later and Halloween finally marked nine months on T!! (funny enough I also have a condition that makes estrogen fuck me up, but my doctor from way back around when I first came out led me to believe that it was just a blanket "any changes to your natural hormone levels" that was the problem, bc she assumed I wouldn't have considered testosterone)
there are solutions with less side-effects such as injections or topical creams, maybe your friend can consult these with the doctor. Indeed, taking estrogen or t blocker pills make you tired :/ oh also, one of my friends got her testicles removed, as a result she doesn't need any blockers anymore.
I have a friend who tried to medically transition years ago but had to stop because her body was rejecting the medication and making her obese. She never regrets taking the medication. But not being able to medically transition has absolutely destroyed her self-esteem and many other aspects of her life. She regrets not being able to continue transition her body.
About the surgery side. I used to have a severe overbite. My entire childhood until 18 was basically me going to a dentist to prepare my teeth for how they should be after surgery.
Do you know how overbite to my degree is fixed? They literally cut my lower jaw and sliced a piece of it off. And that's not all, they also sliced my upper jaw and pushed it forward. I puked blood for two days after it and my face was swelled almost three times bigger. I can physically touch the edge of my upper jaw going further than normal people, I can put my tongue behind the upper jaw. Sometimes in cold weather, I loose some feeling in my chin, when normally before it didn't. In fact, I'm also loosing it right now as I'm typing.
Would I ever go back to not having the surgery? Never. I got daily headaches, because I used to pull my chin back subconsciously so much, that I had to retrain my brain to realize that, holy s**t, normal people can pull their chins back, because furthest back was my default. And obviously when your head resembles a troll face, there were the insecurities.
My point is, all surgery is horrible if you look at it from the perspective of "what did they do to you". But, people getting surgeries view it as "what will this do for me". They know the operation is going to look horrible to outsiders, but the end result is what matters.
All medicine, properly handled, is literally just utilitarian calculus followed by execution of necessary competencies.
Yeah but you don't have to medicate for the rest of your life with an overbite or risk infertility.
@@jd0604 if a pre op transwoman who has been on hrt for years goes of hrt for 3 months they can have sex and get a baby like everyone else. Also transwoman who are lesbian (like me) often freeze in sperm before going on hrt and pregnate there partner later. Also the side affect of hrt arent as bad as people make it out to be.
And I'm pretty sure the regret rate among of people who had this surgery is way higher than the one for gender affirming surgeries
@@sophiatrocentraisin for trans related surgeries its less then 1%
Vaush/Jessie Gender solidarity is what we need in these trying times.
Maybe he can offer her an egg
Leave kids alone and you will be fine
@@jd0604 what
@@jd0604 He's not talking about religion, I think you replied to the wrong comment.
This aged well.
This is our antidote to Matt Walsh’s "documentary."
You could just watch Jessie Gender's 4 hour epic but ayyyyy to each their own lmao 👉🏽😎👉🏽
Documentary; definition; noun - a movie or a television or radio program that provides a *FACTUAL* record or report
Matt Walsh creates fan fiction for fascists. Lets call it what it is.
@@darkranger116 this statement is documentary-worthy... Good thing Jessie Gender already made one for ya 😉
@@M3G4FR34K I honestly don't like Jessie's video style but more power to her, always good to have diversity of tactics on the left.
@@M3G4FR34K I really respect and appreciate Jessie Gender, but at the same time her stuff feels so dry a lot of the time... it definitely has its audience, but a full-on 4 hour video of that is a lot to me.
I swear to god the infertility thing just comes off as some creepy "you need to not transition because your duty as a MAN is to impregnate a woman" to me and its so fucking weird. It's mentioned multiple times and gives me matt walsh vibes; like wtf is peoples obsession with demanding people have kids?
Edit: If I had let the video play for 3 more seconds vaush says the same shit. good to know i wasnt the only one.
Phil davidson why are you aswering to every single comment on this video shouldnt you be making kids
@Phil Davidson Not every single person on the planet wants to have kids. Keep your impregnation fetish to yourself.
@Phil Davidson
How the fuck is it cruel when they're consciously making the choice to do so? That's the whole point! They often don't want to be fertile with their assigned gender. If we had better technology, I'm sure many trans people would opt to be fertile in the way their chosen gender is supposed to be.
Again, some people might want kids and others have no desire to have kids at all.
It's a fertility cult.
As a gender fluid person, I support all of my trans sisters, brothers, and others. 🏳️⚧️
And siblings!
Ayy same genderfluid/flux rise up.
sisters, brothers, and others
Gasp they forgot non binary peeps
What is the viscosity of your gender?
Imagine a transphobic person setting up a blind date for another straight woman and says it’s a man. She arrives and they meet a trans woman. That is not at all what she was thinking she was signing up for.
Why wouldn’t I be pissed for being set up with a dude?
@@jimbob498 you are literally just reading the comment wrong. What if I set you up on a date, and the person is ends up being a person with a vagina that identifies and presents as a man? Would that make you upset? Or would you be okay with it based entirely on their genitals? I assume that you must be ok with it based on your premise.
@@jonasharp3 what the piss are you babbling about???
@@jimbob498 jim bob is this you coming out as a straight woman
Imagine if your gonna head is on your own life or so hard for your yyyyye lol I just need to get some stuff done for the day time lol I think I can just go get some breakfast lol I have some stuff
As someone who was baptized into one of the most extreme Christian denominations (church of Christ), I appreciate this content so much ❤️ thank you for putting this out, I hate the way I used to think and I’m grateful for videos like this because you educate people like me & show solidarity to the trans community too ❤
Glad you got out! If you have any questions feel free to ask us transfolk, we’d be happy to help talk to people. The fact you’re trying to understand at all means so so much, I hope you know that
Much love comrade.
One of my trans friends explained to me how the estrogen affects her fertility and how she doesn't give a fuck about that. Having access to hormones for transitioning is clearly a net positive
That's one of the reasons why my parents refuse to let me go on the titty skittles because I might become infertile before giving them grandkids
actually, as a trans person, im gonna say, im _glad_ im no longer the wrong kind of fertile
I attempted suicide on hormone blockers, but not BECAUSE of the blockers. my life was just dogshit at the time
Damn, i hope shit is going well for you now
Sincerely hope you're doing better. 👍
@@mylesh7987 much better
We're glad to have you here with us now c:
@@BunnyBoyZelda That's great! Your response made my morning, thank you.
Chad move releasing a 2 hour video 1 hour before a livestream
easy, just watch at 2x speed
2:10: Breaking down linguistic proscriptivism (on a prioritizing a utilitarian definition)
13:50: Understanding gender as an identifier that people choose
16:00: Pediatric prescription of HRT is an involved process
20:06: Bone density changes can be mitigated if HRT is started early, and info on brain development changes using precocious pubesence studies
24:25: Are too many kids transitioning these days? No
27:50: Regret rates? And "not enough studies" being weaponized while not allowing case studies to form
37:15: Vaush Take - Teens should have AMPLE consultation before getting hormone therapy
45:00: How can you limit gender treatment to people with perfect mental health in your studies? And "peer pressure"
47:50: Vaush Take - Fad is not bad
58:00: Swedish Health Board's perspective is political, not medical
1:00:00: They DID monitor a guy for 22 years who took puberty blockers in adolescence and he's doing swell (and then TW: suicide as peer pressure for parents? And decreasing suicidality)
1:06:00: "Off-label" does not mean "experimental". What's the difference between using puberty blockers for precocious puberty and gender dysphoria?
1:08:00: Eostrogen and osteoporosis
1:14:30: Depression and puberty blockers aren't correlated if the patient was depressed beforehand . . .
1:17:45: The bone density problems disappear if you replace the hormone, and why tf are we obsessed with sperm counts
1:22:00: affecting fertility is the goal, not a side effect . . .
Thank you
i’m glad that vaush is standing beside us so proudly. he’s one of the best advocates for trans rights in history. he’s literally making our community stronger by offering concise talking points.
and this two hours of trans solidarity is exactly the support we didn’t ask for but so desperately needed. hearing so many awful things abt us in the news or on the internet gets exhausting.
Vaush hates real women.
@@meowy4720 🤓
Yeah he really is having a very broad impact. Huge appreciate.
As the parent of a teenager who is trans I love an ally. 🏳️⚧️❤
Thank you for being supportive to your kiddo
Its almost the bare minimum but its great to see parents openly support basic human rights lol🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Late reply so nobody will give a shit but I wanna say thanks so much for supporting them. I've had so many friends, Friend's friends,even family who have either given up on their life or are miserable because their own flesh and blood wouldn't accept them. Thanks for being an unbelievably amazing person ❤️
I love how the first words out of his mouth at the top of a 2hr video is: “I don’t have anything to say about this.”
Lol
To be fair a lot of his talking points ate defending people's existence
Which to a lot of people feels like something that shouldn't have to be defended but has to anyways
Most of what he says to support trans people is jjst imperics and data and a leftist perspective and thats stuff everyone can find out
But he's the one thags kinda having to defend it
So here’s a good ratio for people who think that sex and gender are the same thing:
“If sex and gender are the same thing, then I had gender with your mom AND your dad because, unlike you, I don’t discriminate”
sex and gender are synonyms. however that doesn't mean that one word can be completely replaced with the other regardless of the context. the statement "i had gender with someone" is nonsensical.
@@the-gadfly4743 yea that’s the joke. saying that “sex and gender are the same thing” is nonsensical.
@@zkittlesbutbetter no. that part makes sense. since sex and gender can take on the same meaning they can be used interchangeably depending on the context. For example on medical forms.
The way you used them they cannot. That's what made what you wrote nonsensical.
@@the-gadfly4743 so I made a purposely nonsensical scenario to make fun of the nonsensical argument of “sex and gender are the same thing”. Do you get it now?
@@zkittlesbutbetter the argument is not nonsensical. sex and gender have a common definition as i pointed out, which you can verify by looking them up in Merriam-Webster's dictionary.
i'm aware that you made a nonsensical statement. Whether you misunderstand what it means for the words to be synonymous on purpose or unwittingly is immaterial.
We literally don’t have a consistent definition of SANDWICH, and some idiots think they know what “woman” means
@Phil Davidson large by proportion or comparison also please define sandwich I want to watch you squirm
@Phil Davidson idk that’s a pretty messed up sandwich
@Phil Davidson Why do you want to have sex with a sandwich?
@Phil Davidson Saying a woman's body is centered around gametes is pretty fucked up, its true they put more energy into it, but humans are a Mildly sexually dimorphic species. Regardless you as a person who speaks with such certainty must know
bigger people have bigger cells and vice versa, although woman on average are a bit smaller than men, I still see quite a few tall women.
But let's not get any of that icky truth stuff get int the way. you never talked about mobility and the biology definition of gender is problematic and unhelpful within it's own field and is not me to be or used in a social context by biologists. but your stupid you don't give a rat's ass about any of that nasty truth stuff so show me your right show me it's easy . . . define a sandwich.
@Phil Davidson Sex can’t purely be about gametes because then you’ve excluded every XX female born without ovaries or otherwise infertile and you’ve included every XY male born with ovarian tissue. And where would people with *both* ovarian and testicular tissue fit under your measure?
Like, for one, we obviously don’t even use the gametes to determine sex in practice. No one is even testing the chromosomes of every newborn baby. It’s just a cursory Glace at their external anatomy and a doctor checking off which box they think aligns best with what they see between the legs.
Second, even biological sex is not a computer binary. It’s literally a bimodal spectrum, strongly polarized yes, but that’s the only way you’re ever gonna actually describe the entire reality objectively as it is observed.
And third, this is *all* besides the fact that you’re purposefully and erroneously conflating gender and sex to begin with. A woman is a gender identity and female describes biological sex.
Choosing to do gymnastics or ballet will drastically alter a child’s body too
Holy shit this. My young cousin did gymnastics for years and she’s still dealing with the way it screwed up her ankle/hip. She had to step out and take a huge break when the doctors caught a stress fracture happening in her femur from it
They can stop at any time.
@@jd0604 so can the kids on puberty blockers.
@@jd0604 the damage can be permanent
The section comparing Vaush to Reuters article made me so mad because Vaush literally said hormones and Reuters were talking about blockers. Implicitly hormones = gender transition hormones like estrogen/testosterone to start the transition, blockers do not. Blockers have no known harm outside normal medications and are reversible. So it is not inconsistent to say it does take a very long time/process to get on hormones (or get surgery), even if blockers have a lower barrier to entry.
Transphobes see no difference when talking about hormones and puberty blockers. Like, they are saying that there are kids getting surgeries and doctors are pushing them into medical transition.
They do not know what the process is to get any trans healthcare and they don't care to know.
They say kids are getting pushed onto hormones too early or spread incorrect information on puberty blockers because they know how to make that sound terrifying to anyone without passing knowledge of trans healthcare.
Like I am currently recovering from top surgery and despite my surgeon being amazing and deliberately keeping appointments open specifically for top surgeries(so I wouldn't be waiting months), the process was still months long and this is the best case scenario.
I feel like this should be obvious to literally anyone who’s ever had to go to the doctors for something, which I would have thought is pretty much everyone. In what world do you walk in, say you want a medication, and walk out with it? I had to go to multiple doctor appointments and fight with my insurance company and Walgreens just to get fucking birth control. My dad dealt with a growing stomach tumor for YEARS because doctors insisted it wasn’t life threatening and would be a “cosmetic” surgery (even though it turned out to be a cancerous growth). Even when doctors are awesome and want to help the medical system is so insane and overburdened that even getting simple stuff resolved takes a minimum of several months.
@@isabelmcgaugh711 I hope your dad was able to recover from the cancer in spite of the medical malpractice, and if he didn't, my condolences.
@@TheXVodkaXFairy I like to imagine this post was made by the actual character Naoto
Trans rights.
Allow me to repeat myself.
TRANS RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trans lefts are also valid.
Trans wrongs
Nobody gives a fuck. Just leave kids alone and you will be fine.
@@jd0604 ?
Also, swearing directly insta-deletes your comment.
But people don't want "right" they want uncertainty and conflict and intrigue and controversy and scandal and news and books
TWO HOURS OF CONTENT?!?! I am SO EXCITED! WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED THIS HALLOWEEN. GAMERS :3.
“Teetus deletus” had me rolling not gonna lie
Im honestly just gonna start calling transhpobes flat earthers.
Why? And who is considered a transphobe?
@@albertfralinger2711 in this context let’s consider a transphobe someone who holds bigoted/prejudiced views about trans people or denies their very existence and/or right to exist in society.
Example- someone who insists and doubles down, repeatedly, on deadnaming and misgendering openly trans people, or someone who calls transgenderism a mental illness or degeneracy that threatens society
Someone who just genuinely is not informed about the topic and asks good faith questions is not a transphobe, but someone who willfully Sealions about the topic while refusing to engage with the information given to them is probably one.
Ranger here is probably making the flat earth comparison because usually, transphobes are taking a position that is *against* all of the current scientific consensus about gender and biological sex.
They are stubbornly advocating for demonstrably destructive policies based on a rejection of empirical reality, so long as it aligns with their higher priority for their theocratic or otherwise conservatively social prescriptions (ex. When some of them claim to care about children’s mental health but wave away or even outright celebrate the trans suicide rate that they contribute to), similar to how a flat earther will ignore all evidence that points to a round planet, because it doesn’t fit their conspiracy agenda.
@@MsScarletwings I generally agree with most of the things you said here. I have a heavy science background and I believe in the importance of questions. Sometimes I am called transphobic though, simply for asking questions. Transgenderism has had many recent changes in society and I believe the topic should be discussed freely.
There has been a drastic increase in transgender youth in the past five years. We should ask why. Whether there has been genetic, social, or environmental changes, it would be good to know why. That questions is unbiased. Its just a question.
My biggest disagreement with your statement is the classification. I don't know why it is wrong to consider this a mental disorder. I accept that there are some people that naturally born like this, but its still a disorder. Its seems very contradictory to say that there is nothing wrong with transgenders and yet demand medical treatment. Medical treatments are for medical conditions. Some compare trans to homosexuals, but this is a week argument because homosexuals require no medical treatment.
Again, I'm not implying that transgenderism is a bad thing, but I can't see how it should not be considered a medical disorder.
@@albertfralinger2711 One small thing for ya, might answer some of ur questions later but for now:
Transfenderism is more commonly used by people trying to make it sound like a cult or religion. Aka mostly transphobes :) I would rephrase it to something like trans(gender) issues. Still neutral and accurate.
@@Kickiusz Thank you for your honest answer. Genuinely the best response I have received.
Its a very interesting thought about not knowing your identity until learning a term for it. If you lived in a vacuum from social interaction, you would never know that your agender and at the same time you would never think yourself to be a weird man either. Social influence is a critical part of in defining identity, but not necessarily shaping it
You totally missed the chance to add, "To Fall Asleep To", in the title. Or study. Like lofi or thunderstorm sounds.
Someone needs to remake this with a crackling fire and a snowstorm background.
vAuShMR
I have fallen asleep to vaush befo. It is good
Just to say for all the older trans people out there, while the most obvious best results are when you start young, it's never too late. You've never run out of time to be yourself and get that transition
Yes, thank you
While I understand this at heart its still nice to hear lol
I just went through puberty but since I wasn't even able to consider socially transitioning until I turned 18 this year I've only just now started on my journey and I haven't even worked up the courage to socially transitiom bit its really nice to hear stuff lkke this lol
@@MulkeyBlueQuartet oh I feel you, I went through the wrong puberty first too, now doing puberty2 electric boogaloo
@@teapotsoup2851 lmaooo
Its honestly just really nice to finally have a comuntiy too lol
Imma musician and stuff but jts always been hard for me to find a space where im welcome for more than just my musical interests
@@MulkeyBlueQuartet I hope you have a musical community who loves you for who you are. I'm in construction, it's... I'm working on it ahaha
@@teapotsoup2851 haha
I'm a huge fan of construction tbh
One of my old friends was kinda born into a construction business and I hung around them a lot
I hope enough are able to find the best space possible for that
There are definitely tons of people in construction/architecture and stuff thag are pro lgbtq but they aren't as easy to find or aren't as overtly open abkut any political stuff
Some of the local construction where I live uses pride and trans flags instead of American flags on there cranes and stuff
Cool shit tbh
when it comes to fertility, I'm a trans woman and I am very concerned with my fertility... from the other direction. I've spent hundreds of hours reading studies on the potential viability of uterus transplants for trans women, but if my balls stop working, I literally don't want them anyway
There is no viability at all for the procedure you're imagining.
@@meowy4720 The first uterus transplant was conducted in the 1930s and they have been conducted routinely since then, you are a clown.
@@meowy4720 Sure, not a lot of men want a uterus. But on cis and trans women.
@@PlatinumAltaria LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣 there has never been a uterus transplant on a male transvestite. If you have some evidence that there has, then show it to me. And don't upvote your own comment.
Great. You will never be a girl, so female fertility is out of question.
"people are having their gender identity influenced by their friend groups and people around them" yes this is how gender works
1:10:42 Yes. Osteoporosis is massively common in post-menopausal women because estrogen falls off sharply.
Cis-women get estrogen for that reason all the time. Also to prevent the hormone imbalance from masculinizing their features.
Testosterone effectively does the same thing while a lack of sex hormones makes bones brittle.
Which is why puberty blockers can cause osteoporosis as they lower the production of either sex hormone.
HRT would solve the issue as well as stopping the blockers.
Exactly.
2 hours of facts and logic. I’m impressed. But I feel there’s gonna be some plot twist.
I’m 18 minutes in, when do the facts start?
@@albertfralinger2711 at least at 10:00 when Vonch checks in on the purity of WA tap water
@@albertfralinger2711 use your eyes
@@albertfralinger2711 well first you have to turn off mute
15 minutes in he starts speaking in morse code, but using different slurs as dots and dahs.
I started testosterone a week ago so cheers brah
Grats fam, grocery bags won't know what hit 'em
W, how’s it been so far?
Trans people are cool.
Trans people been based 🏳️⚧️
Fuck yeah! Trans rights.
Trans wrongs
@@カリユガ-u6f are you gonna reply that on every other comment or...
Nothing like a glass of good ol' Mississippi River water with a twist of lemon
I can’t believe it’s almost 2023 and we still have to argue for some people to have the right to simply exist.
Who is advocating for people to not exist?
@@bobbun4369 you conservatives are.
@@ThePanMan11 by doing what??
@@honeckr1497 wouldn't it be a mental one?
@@カリユガ-u6f no because your brain is already goo
More like 2 hours of being reminded that Matt Walsh exists. No thanks.
I’m like half an hour in and I have yet to hear Matt Walsh Being the central talking point
About fertility: current recommendations determine that adolescents should be refered to a fertility clinic and be given the choice to freeze their sperm/eggs. So yeah, it is being acknowledged and sorted by clinicians, we're not that stupid
Yeah seriously it seems like a solveable problem
From what I've seen, you're not supposed to be on only antiandrogens without estrogen for the long term because bodies without any sex hormones eventually lose bone density. So any concerns about bone density loss from being on puberty blockers too long are really arguments in favor of starting HRT earlier.
Don't you just love when reactionaries dunk themselves?
Jessie is so fair and thought out, running into vaush watching jessie.. dope 💗
57:15 I love Vaush saying Akron with the same energy of 'A-A-Ron'.
I totally see where Vaush is coming from in regards to bottom surgery. My take is such:
In my day, the #1 graduation gift were breast implants and now it's BBLs; the #1 graduation gift hopefully will be bottom surgery.
53:50 There's a special type of tape that's safe for binding your chest. It's not duct tape, it's like the kineseology tape athletes use.
I can't believe you cut most of the 30 second Shia Labeouf pause, that shit was gold
BIOLOGY, SOCIOLOGY, PSYCHOLOGY
THESE THREE FORMS OF BOTH SOFT AND HARD SCIENCE GATHER TOGETHER TO CREATE:
"TRANS RIGHTS ARE VALID, SUPPORTED BY THE OVERWHELMING VAST MAJORITY OF EXPERTS GLOBALLY"
Vaush, something you got wrong in this was that you think body related dysphoria is a social category thing. If I had grown up on a deserted island with no other humans around, I would have taken flaked obsidian to the dysphoria noodle to get rid of it; it felt like a wrong thing. You don't need other humans who don't have leeches stuck to them to want to get rid of the parasite on you.
Appreciate the work you're doing generally here.
Definitely, some of my dysphoria is purely social (e.g. my dysphoria around facial hair is mostly just a matter of facial hair being seen as masculine socially) but some of it is absolutely not (e.g. my hating having a flat chest has nothing to do with whether or not boobs or flat chests are gendered)
Deleting my comment bc I finished watching the video and Vaush didn't even say anything wrong. There is a strong social aspect to it and the fact is we don't know to what extent that colours our perception. He made it clear that it wouldn't remove all desire to transition from everyone though.
@@estebandelasexface8193 Because dysphoria is inconsistent. Usually, gender euphoria related to not conforming to your assigned gender role is the one thing all trans people experience and can connect to. At least imo, from what I've seen and experienced as a trans person.
@@estebandelasexface8193 people aren't the best with language, and cleaving reality at the joints is difficult.
Yeah, honestly. I think looking down in the shower and the pain i feel at my lack of a wee wee is psychological not social
The idea that pure H²O would bind to your internal organs and cause damage is a false urban myth. You can drink pure distilled water, or even triply-distilled water (about as pure as its possible to get) with no ill effects at all.
** (Note: water created chemically through the direct combustion of an oxygen/hydrogen gaseous mixture might "theoretically" seem more pure but could possibly contain trace amounts of hydrogen peroxide and/or heavy water, which would both be potentially harmful).
I think his original debate actually straight up had the better example of heavy water, so that's a very minor L in an overall W. It is a good correction though.
Honestly though, the argument overall still holds up if you focus on the fact that the majority of the water we do actually use outside of laboratory applications... literally isn't pure H2O and we have zero social expectation for it to be, so Bogardus' argument was completely incoherent with the natural functions of language.
I dont care to much for vaush but I am so happy for his outspokenness on the behalf of people like me.
Nuance is always good
@@カリユガ-u6f cringe take + L + fell off + ratio
@@lunalaven3479 liking your own comment to ration someone... nice
@@カリユガ-u6f you can't like your own comment 4 times
@@BlightestBlight OK I know.
What I dont know, however is why you call yourself a woman.
2 hours of arguments but not 1 proper definition of what a woman is.
DESTROYING TRANSPHOBES WITH FACTS AND LOGIC
🏳️⚧️✊🏼
The problem with the river analogy in practice is that the conservative will redirect it as a reason why the trans person is at fault. If we were all playing on the same team and all wanted the most accurate understanding of reality possible, these would be great arguments. But when people just want an excuse to hate trans people, it's very easy to make the leap from any level of nuance and the deductive reasoning, to the conclusion that "we wouldn't have this issue if not for trans people mucking it up"
Trans people defy the logic of male/female sex
I would have dropped this article very early, at the Ron DeSantis quote if not earlier. You have a much higher tolerance for reading bullshit than I do.
hasn't convinced me. I'm still cis.
Yeah? That's how not being trans works?
DAMN IT. We'll get em next time.
Yo to the losers in chat making fun of the mom for crying when talking about her daughter, I need you to try and understand that she's probably crying from both relief and thinking about mistakes she made. Shit's hard to deal with without a support network (and in a deeply conservative area) and she's probably thinking about the missteps she took that ended up hurting her daughter. Which would upset most parents. So maybe try to be just a bit more understanding to people in the future.
this was awesome. the fearmongering really is crazy right now and i wanna feel equipped to talk properly to ma fellow cises about it & dispel some of the nonsense when it pops up. videos like this and other channels like jessie gender & jangles sciencelad are really helping
The Caspian Sea is technically a lake, since it doesn't have any connections to the ocean. But it is very big and saltwater, so everyone just calls it a sea
That, and the Dr. Bogus crowd should have lost the nanosecond someone realized the phrase "sea water" exists and has virtually identical syntactic usage to "trans woman". Or that the majority of what we consider water on Earth isn't even "H2O".
Someone should send Bogardus a bottle of Dead Sea water to prove a point.
@@FelisImpurrator He's too stupid
@@asherroodcreel640 that's the joke, I want him drinking it on stream and doing a spit take
As always great content Vaush! Thank you for being a consistent ally! I’d love a shirt with your face on it that says “wait wait wait wait!” Lol.
Ah yes 2 hours of Voosh force feminizing me 🏳️⚧️
Puberty blockers (gnrh agonists) are also used in cancer treatment
Fun fact: it is cited that puberty blockers kill hundreds of people, but that is (exclusively) counting those who took puberty blockers in the cancer treatment and later died as a result of the cancer.
Transphobes being disingenuous is nothing new though.
Honestly think being a definition pervert over the meaning of words is unproductive, and circularly semantic. It's better to focus on what people think of when the words are spoken. Because in Saussarian terms, words are just the "signs" we use to mean something else the "signified". In reality, there are women who fit the idea of a woman conventionally or unconventionally. Whether they are literal barbies or very butch, it would be stupid to argue the butch woman is somehow less of a woman.
That's the problem. Conservatives don't understand semiotics. Hell, Bogardus has a PhD and he doesn't understand semiotics.
Conservatives, especially in America, are basically raised to treat words as magic power talismans that literally just are manifestations of single, absolute concepts, which can be reduced to universal constants. And to not notice when those so-called constants Just Change Outright every so often, like the pink and blue bullshit, unless drawing attention to it is useful for political clout through targeting minorities.
Look at all the people who believe communism is when the government does things because of Reagan's brain rot. Even a lot of the left is prone to this magical thinking - look at the discourse around "progressive" censorship and how little of it has anything to do with something useful like consequential arguments about broader systemic media trends.
That being said, based comment. Obviously true, for people who know the first fucking thing about language as it functions in reality. Words aren't magic runes, they aren't sacred, and they aren't the actual thing.
@@FelisImpurrator all those paragraphs but water is still h2o (and always was)
@@カリユガ-u6f All the evidence proving you wrong and you're just repeating the NPC dialogue cycle.
Definitions have basis in reality.
They refer to a specific thing, situation or feeling.
"Water is H2O" what is being expressed in this sentence?
That "Water" has always fundamentally been the molecule "H2O", which everyone could find out given the right equipment.
By "H2O" I refer to the hydrogen and the 2 oxygen atoms, not the name.
I love how the right will write a 20 page article and then not cite a single source or write a single footnote and then complain about there not being enough research done
"Intestinal" vaginoplasty is when they build the vaginal cavity using some of the colon tissue. The method is more invasive and takes longer to recover from, but it's growing in popularity vs. the penile inversion method, where the skin from the shaft of the penis is used for the cavity walls.
In both methods, the labia are usually crated from the scrotum skin. Most of the nerves from the tip of the penis form the clitoris, while some are moved to the back of the canal to form a G-spot.
All such procedures are terrifying to watch, but once the scars heal, the resulting vagina can be downright gorgeous.
I’ve never heard of a “gorgeous vagina”, but ok. Do they really look, and feel like the real thing? Would I know the difference if presented with one?
@@jakethehyena.anotheraccoun442 “I haven’t heard of a gorgeous vagina” yeah no wonder bro 🥶
@@jakethehyena.anotheraccoun442
1. probably a skill issue on your part
2. yes, they do
3. no, you wouldn't
@@none-ro9dz Don’t know why you felt the need to bring my skill into it, but thanks for the answer.
@@jakethehyena.anotheraccoun442your skill was brought up for the same reason my vagina "not being the real thing" was brought up - to show you some casual disrespect, that's all
Man really took the trans water idea and ran with it
He is objectively correct. That's how language works, and the rest is how biology, psychology, and sociology work.
I would have gone for the definition of planet, or vegetables, myself.
@@FelisImpurrator yea man I know. Trans water is still a funny term. He still took that term he came up with on the fly during a debate and made a 2 hour video on it. I agree completely with what you said tho I just felt like you thought I disagreed with that
We love our transes 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Ayo Monster Rancher?
@@SEESBoy-hy8jz yes! Lolol I only just learned about it recently. The entire idea of Suezo (& just Monster Rancher in general) is absolutely fucking hilarious to me lmao
Vaush back again with best takes on trans issues and the best arguments. absolutely based and transpilled
Imagine getting your trans info from a twitch streamer who’s only credentials is his blood borne skillz
@@bobbun4369 bloodborne is an allegory for transness. I will not elaborate. Its 100% appliable tho
@@Devon9698 you people really have lost all reality
@@bobbun4369 so true, bestie
@@bobbun4369 coming from someone who can’t read sarcasm or agree with the empiric realities like the difference between gender and sex
Thank you, I'm trans and so is my girlfriend and her boyfriend. thank you for supporting the trains movement.
Trains movement? Ermmm… i sure hope they do
@@xxxnapoleon69 choo choo
The map is not the territory. Words are a map for "reality", but they are not "reality" itself. General Semantics is a great tool for this kind of thing. I didn't describe it perfectly but please check it out. Great vid too, Thanks Vaush for defending us so well and for so long!
from what my doctors have told me (16 y/o on lupron about to go on e) the lupron causes decreased bone density because ur not rlly going thru puberty while on it, so going on hrt will reverse it. i take vitamin d supplements rn to combat this, and im completely fine, and i will stop those supplements once i go on estrogen this december.
You will be suicidal anyways, so why even transition?
@@カリユガ-u6f specifically to piss you off
@@snakekid4475 you're doing me a favor, I need people to bully.
@@カリユガ-u6f glad I could b of help
Aw, grats on figuring yourself out so young! Living the dream ^__^ Stay safe out there
39:31 There is finally going to be a vote in the parlament for reforming trans laws in Finland later this year. I'm hopeful that things will improve since our current government is relatively progressive and also managed to make abortion access easier a few weeks back.
The current trans law in Finland is horrible and requires infertility before being able to legally change gender.
In utilitarian terms, gender dysphoria is equally bad whether it's a cis or trans person experiencing it, so we should incrementally loosen up the gatekeeping for medical transition until the final crop of patients has a 50% regret rate. Of course doctors are cowards, so that won't happen, but it should.
The limit for arsenic in water is .01mg per liter. Or .01 parts per million is the acceptable limit for the epa. The ld50 for arsenic is 2-20mg/kg. So 140mg to 1.4g of arsenic is the median deadly dose for a mid sized adult.
Median?
@@Cumdown Median average range, presumably, so the average quantity that will kill you if you drink it.
@@FelisImpurrator banging, thank you
@@Cumdown As an extra, "Median" is the value within the data sample separating the upper and lower halves of that same sample. It's a form of average used in statistics, different from the mean (what we colloquially call the average) in that it isn't affected by a small proportion of statistical outliers, and thus is a better representation of a "typical" value in that sample. The reason they're using "median" here even thought they're showing a range rather than a specific value goes back to "ld50" - that is, the amount of a compound expected to kill half of the population, were they to consume it, measured by weight of the coumpound by weight of the consumer - thus, ld50 and "median deadly dose" are synonimous.
Because we're talking about humans, actually experimenting to get the precise ld50 might be a tad difficult, which can result in it being expressed in ranges rather than in one flat value (as medians usually are).
1:37:48
"[If they cut off the balls] How do they pee?"
I was sooo fucking confused for a few seconds before I remembered that stupid fucking meme.
The only people concerned about potential fertilift loss in trans girls, are the parents that want Grandchildren,...and the Fathers that feel the only function their trans daughters have is... "passing on the family legacy and name."
As a Transgender woman, when my doctor explained it to me I just rolled up my sleeve and said " slap it on doc."
10/10 thumbnail design
Comparing asking what a woman is to asking how many legs a chair has is a take I can get behind. 👍
listening to vaush repeatedly mispronounce "Akron" is the highlight of my night
edit: to be clear if you don't know, it's pronounced "ACK-rin"
Oh god hearing “Akrón” threw me so hard
@@sarahwinn2453 esp bc I just listen while I'm at work so it took me a minute bc I didn't hear the "Ohio" part the first time lmao
Ah yes, the president of France, Emmanuel Akron
well then, maybe they shouldn't have named the city in accordance with a phonetically ambiguous language like English /j
If it's in Ohio, it's pronounced as 'Merican as possible. There's Bellefontaine (pronounced bell-fountain), Versailles (pronounced Ver-sales), Elyria (pronounced alleeria), Lagrange (pronounced Luh-grainj) and countless others. Akron in particular is in the Cleveland-adjacent part of Ohio that also has Mentor (menner), Canton (cae'-nn), Medina (muh-dyna), and others.
What I take from this, is that if you want puberty blockers to be safe, you will find research that validate that will. If you want puberty blockers to be dangerous, you will find research that validate that will. If you don’t have any bias and only care about the truth, you will find research that suggest that puberty blockers are very likely, but not 100% safe.
The first lesson in any college linguistics program is that linguistic prescriptivism is unscientific and arbitrary. Language is just a way for us to communicate shit in our brains to other people. There's no set rule about what man or woman (or any word) means in some essential form. Words are really just stand ins for ideas we're tying to communicate, in everyday speech we pick whatever words are most effective to get the message across. The whole debate on the meaning of man or woman is inherently flawed because its based in prescriptivism and is just dumb semantics at a certain point. The right's arguments for some concrete definition of man or woman will literally never work because people are biologically geared to use whatever language works best for their purposes.
I’d say you need to ask for your money back…. 🤦♂️
@@jimbob498 No need my loans were forgiven by comrade Biden 🥴😩
@@Chris-zi1we I can talk a lot of hot air too
@@jimbob498 cool
OMG thank you Vaush 20:02 has made me a fan for life. You have no idea how hard it is to explain to many transphobes or well meaning people, that the whole "fertility" concern is only a concwern for THEM. Most trans girls care more about NOT killing themselves.
Emma thorn also has a fantastic video with pro trans arguments
Vaush might be overly obsessed with gock and mussy but at least he otherwise supports us
As an Ohioan it’s extremely weird hearing vaush mispronounce Akron for 2 hours
Ohio gozaimasu!
the problem with all the "identification" idea is, it reduces! trans"ness" to shallow bits of presentation (which some of us lack) and stuff and utility (which we ALL clearly lack ... btw) which you just "randomly identify with" and yeah. i think its the wrong approach - though i dont necessarily have a better one.
i think the real approach would actually be to make people UNDERSTAND trans-sexualism and trans-genderism in the way, that the "truth" of people is what they say they are, and thats it what matters and not the outside perception of sth - and to make it clear that there is people that ARE IN FACT the people they say they are, and do have the "Mind/Soul/Brain/Consciousness" of beeing Women, and some if not still most of them actually also WANT (ideally) the body of whats linked to it.
the messing up just happened when people suddenly arrived that felt they were women, who somehow do not even remotely want an actual female body - which is still beyond my grasp as a trans women actually. i can understand, some people do not want to actually undergo a surgery thats risky, but not wanting it "generally" in the sense of "not even if magic" i cannot grasp that.
id basically KILL for "having been born a women in whats considered a female body" (id preferrably kill h*tler of course but ...)
i do sense a strong difference in people when asked "if a fairy would grant you a wish" - trans women will answer "i wish id been born a women in a female body" - while others dont - and i cannot grasp that. to me those people ARE IN FACT NOT transsexual. they may be trans-gender though.
Yeah I dunno, same.. NOT wanting to have been born female? That doesn't make sense to me at all, that's.. The Problem, it's not just ALL about gender
I doubt vaush himself will read this but hopefully some vaushite will. Not to sound ableist but I have a friend who is not the sharpest tool in the shed, how do I explain any of this to him, he is transphobic out of his ignorance, how do I educate him with few big words, and a way I can keep his attention.
Use the Socratic method: ask questions. Why do they think what they think? What assumptions are they basing it on?
So just ask him "Even if trans people are all liars, does that mean they shouldn't have equal rights?"
I think Vaush's arguments are a bit too complex generally to change anyone's mind. I think all you have to point is the difference between gender and sex.
"Gender and sex are the same." Okay, what part of my biological sex is related to whether or not I can wear a dress? Women were considered stepping out of line when some started wearing pants, what did that have anything to do with sex? Gender is that social construct, explain the specific examples of jewelry and hair length and distinguish between gender and sex. Once you've done that, the question is "Why can't men wear a dress?" I mean, the Scots did it, hell some I know still do it. In a free society, shouldn't men be free to wear dresses? To have long hair? Shouldn't women be free to wear pants and not wear jewelry? And the all important question at the end of all of this, "Why do you care?"
That's the trans argument I use for others, hope that's helpful. If the discussion goes medical or mental health, there's a million arguments in favor of trans, so you can take it from there.
@@cole7274 yeah good points, I should have specified that like I think he gets the concept of trans people
the problem arises when it comes to pronouns. He once misgendered my (at the time) non binary partner and I said "it's They, come on it's not that hard" and his response was "I know it's not hard it just sounds weird to me". And when the conversation of my pronouns came up he said "I would still call you (deadname) because I wanna be respectful" in that moment I was the "The woman was too stunned to speak" meme. I just had no idea how he viewed deadnaming and misgendering as more respectful to trans people, and haven't brought it up again because I don't know how to dumb it down to *that* level. I did go on to explain that that wasn't okay and he said that I can educate him some other time about and he'll try to do better, that's the only reason I haven't dropped him. Like at this point I need to teach him like 4th grade manners that it's more respectful to respect someone's wishes than to go by whatever arbitrary set in stone view he has of respect.
@@ladymaria8867 Yeah in terms of names and pronouns and such, I'd bring up nicknames. If someone asks you to call them by a certain name, it's respectful to do so, because that's what they're asking you to do. Anything else is incorrect and against their wishes
Sweet, 2 hours of pro trans learnings while I clean the house - never thought I'd be excited about this scenario, but here we are
I guess I am one of the trans women, that wants to have bigger booba. I mean, it's ok when Cis-gender women want them bigger right? Maybe _some_ trans people might not get treatments and surgeries if society simply accepted them as their gender, but I think it would be a minority, this completely ignores people that are not doing it for camouflague. Some of us HATE our male bodies, as much as some cis-men HATE man boobs and some cis-women hate facial hair. I think on this " Hot take" you should have spoken with Jessie Gender before you spoke out.
You are trivializing gender dysphoria by suggesting it can be " socialized away with societal acceptance". I find that offensive.
CLASS TIME. SIT DOWN. BE AN ACTIVE LISTENER. BE RESPECTFUL, AND MINDFUL. DO NOT INTERRUPT THE TEACHER WHILE THEY ARE SPEAKING.
In my framework trans men are men and trans women are women because Odysseus is a man.
1:16:18 hahahaha omfg the sandwich shop owner bit was hilarious 😆 🤣
1:09:45 They went from Osteoperosis to crippling Depression. 😔
BUT HAVE WE ALL CONSIDERED THAT ESTROGEN WILL REDUCE THE PATIENT'S ABILITY TO BE A FATHER?!?!???!!!!?
it will indeed reduce the ability to be a father for trans women, it will make them have more of an ability to be a mother :)
@@gingy3778 Yes that is the reality behind my joke.
@@MacheteSquad sorry, I was a dumby to where your sarcasm didnt reach me lol. my bad
@@gingy3778 No problem! I felt that I should mention that because I realized that my previous comment, without a tone indicator, is totally liable to be misinterpreted.
Yes that is true and people who take hormones are informed of that before they are allowed to take it.
So I started this video high and now I'm learning about water what the fuck
The “pure water is toxic to you” bit is a myth.
Tea is more similar to regular clean water than lake water is, but nobody calls tea water. Ocean water is 90% water. Tea is 99.5% water.
This is such a treat to watch! ^-^
Hell yeah bruh nice video
When the fuck? Wasn't this from a while ago? But... That Jessie Gender bit is recently. I'm so lost on my VGG timeline lmao
Definitely putting this in my political arguments playlist.
For comparison, check out the statistics on how many people regret getting cosmetic surgery. No one gives a shit about that, though, because it's insanely lucrative and we accept people wanting to be more attractive within their assigned gender.
1:09:30 it's the opposite afaik, stopping hormone blockers and getting sex hormones of any kind actually reverses the bone density problems, so you can eithe just stop the blockers and let the body do its thing, or you can start hrt - both will solve the problem
Edit: he mentioned this a few minutes later, i will still leave this up as a reminder for people though