What about using Serle's Masterwork and then also having the Fire Burst trigger on hit? That way you can double dip on fire damage dealt to a target. Yeah, it sucks away a lot of the crit, but you gain an additional skill that's triggered on every single hit along with the triggered spell.
@@amarr85 Maybe, but I think there may be some untapped potential with that weapon since you can have two enchants on it. Fire Burst is just the first thing that came to mind.
Its tough because you also lose the 2 supported by mods as well. But if you were not going crit at all then that wouldn't be a big deal. Like if you were just using lancing steel to enable your weapon triggers which I think is a perfectly reasonable way to play this then I think that could make sense
@@Rj-cf8eh nope! Like you said, archmage doesn't give a lightning damage range so it wouldn't be worth using Would probably use something like a foible, xopec temple amulet (hybrid increased and flat mana mod), or even something like ungil's harmony if you are going Ele overload coc
hold so explain, fire storm in chest and axe but due to implicit on axe, does this mean firestorm is benefiting from all chest sockets + shield sockets?
@@judgezee9371 oh nah those are two separate firestorms. One benefits from everything in the axe + shield. The one in my chest just benefits from the supports in the chest. I was just doubling up on firestorm because it is good damage I haven't played this character in a few weeks but I did switch off firestorm to fix the visual clarity problem. I switch to a version with fire projectiles in the axe and ice spear in my chest. Current version is a little boring but it is very strong, just detonate dead of chain reaction and volatile dead in the axe
Do you think there's some potential for some kind of ignite + flame surge build? I've never played ignite, or flame surge, or with the axe so i have no idea if it's even a good idea or how it would work.
@@philllllllll I feel like a stinker in saying no but I don't think so. Ingjte synergizes with big single hits since you can only have 1 ignite on an enemy. This axe synergizes with many small hits since it lets you trigger many spells a second
@@poopbutts Don't feel bad about saying no, I'm trying to understand what's possible to brew with this thing. I had a weird idea if focusing mainly on an attack skill to inflict a massive ignite and then having the axe proc flame surge. Even if it wasn't "maximizing" the procs. But it's probably not worth it
@@philllllllll ah I see. Could still something like that with battlemage's cry linked with flamesuege or just use a "trigger socketed skill every 8 seconds" craft. I think battlemage's cry + autoexert + flamesuege should work though
@@poopbutts I'm dumb for not having thought of that before, haha. Thanks for the tip. What's concerning for me is looking through builds using that axe, none of them really go higher than 2mil dps and it seems like you have to jump through a LOT of hoops to get to that point.
@@AshrielDrummer good luck! Sab sounds way more fun Thankfully the axe is relatively ssf friendly since farming an awakener's orb isn't too bad. The real tricky part with sabo on trees I've tried to make is solving the crit. You can solve the mana cost with eb + instant leech. Without squire I wonder if it makes more sense to go cyclone? Since you likely only want 1 skill in your axe and then cyclone is good enough which also lets you use brittle boots to consistently keep up that + base crit. Alternatively you can farm up a leadership's price
@@mattcline_ 100%. I know people probably don't love the idea but when you have a really low base crit redblade banner or chieftain are pretty good options because of battlemage's cry
I wasn't happy with any of the trees I made for sabo but after thinking about it more I think you just can use leadership's price to fix your crit. Go Eldritch battery and instant es leech from the tree. Use a large cluster jewel so you can have two crit mediums with basics of pain and pressure points. Use a diamond flask with "flask charge on crit". Defensively I would likely go lightning coil + grace and spell sup. I think you could make an argument for going utula's but you would need to get all non red sockets which would be a huge pain in the ass
@@ngocanhnguyen8437 when the discharge jewel existed it used to overwrite the CD of items but currently it would just still have a 2 second cool down socketed in the axe :( I did think about discharge of misery because it is a good fire skill. Just can't figure out how to consistently gain the charges
@@ngocanhnguyen8437 right? Idk why that can't show it a little love. Discharge is such a cool skill conceptually We just need to get better ways to gain charges on hit then we can do it. Hoping we eventually get tools for that
@@poopbutts you can actually get a lot of charges and a lot of charge generation on a replica badge assassin yoinking +2 frenzy from trickster, pathing to disciple of the forbidden and anointing overcharge but realistically what you get is a character that's kinda all over the place and has nothing other than crit and charge generation the biggest thing that kills it is the new Discharge quality requiring you to get to 200% quality to never consume charges, as you're now basically capped at 69% chance in the best possible setup which I think is now ashes with a +1 socketed Dialla's and a level 5 awakened enhance
@@rokhpaperscissors1349 Right that is the whole issue. You have to jump through soooooo many hoops to even get close to having max charge discharges when triggering them. I think we just need to wait for better charge generation ittems to get created or ways to get even more quality on gems somehow
Hoi! Here my stupid idea when i saw this.. thinking of a better Ngamahu's Flame. Using Battlemage/Spellblade and put 1 or 2 skills with squire. And then a full dmg melee setup, since melee was buffed. E.g. cyclone with fire projectiles solving the problem to not run into every pack.
@@floppgaming4394 it's going to be tough to scale the damage of the spell well enough to have it deal decent damage but Inquisitor does scale generic crit really well so mayyyybe you could get it to work
wait you might be a genius. If I get the axe into a state of having both supported by crit mods and open suffix it blocks the normal local crit chance and normal crit multi from rolling. So, if I lock suffixes and reforge crit I'm 50% to hit endurance on crit. Edit - I would make sure a weapon like this exists in standard before wasting the resources. It would be weird if the crt on endurance could roll with crit strikes since they both add local crit but idk, they are different groups
@@poopbutts oh damn I didn’t even know the support crit mods blocked their non-support counterparts tho that does make sense. 50/50 def doesn’t sound too bad.
Yep! I wanted to try sabo but went with quizzy because it is easier to fix your crit with such a bad base crit weapon Sabo would be more fun though, and even more nonsense. If you do try that take solving your mana/es sustain for your skills seriously. 27ish skills a second is no joke and Sab would make that 54.
@@poopbutts One thing that might be fun on Saboteur is using the axe to trigger Armageddon Brand of Recall to autoplace brands and then using a CoC link to recall them. It sounds a bit weird but since you want a lot of Brand Recall levels and quality it actually pairs fairly well with Static Strike since then you could abuse Ambush for free attack crit. I threw together a quick pob with an 0.858s Brand Recall CD and Static Strike hitting a 4th beam every 0.86s to sync up, which would be somewhere around 16 triggered Armageddon Brand of Recalls a second and should ignore the penalty from Triggerbots.
@@rokhpaperscissors1349 That is so goofy! I was literally thinking about that earlier this league like a build your own autobomber. I was also thinking about ambush + static strike or rage vortex of berserking but now thinking more about it jsut leap slam migh t be enough since 3 hits gets us to 6 brands since each trigger creates two thanks to triggerbots.
@@poopbutts one fun thing for RV is that Ravenous Passion easily sustains the rage if you're triggering like 12 Archmage spells a second or something equally stupid When RV falls off you just wait for Cloak or link Archmage to Frostblink to spend enough mana for more rage.
Will do! The axe is pretty easy to make, you just need to farm up an awakener's orb but the power runes and squire are certainly ssf unfriendly. Unsure of whether this kind of setup is worth doing without the squire unfortunately. Like, a pseudo 5 link axe like this might still be good enough if you just use 1-2 skills that are really strong like detonate dead of chain (especially with archmage)
@@notwilltoledo Seriously. Mine gets really hot when playing this but that could just be because he is trying to stay on theme since I'm using fire skills
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What about using Serle's Masterwork and then also having the Fire Burst trigger on hit? That way you can double dip on fire damage dealt to a target. Yeah, it sucks away a lot of the crit, but you gain an additional skill that's triggered on every single hit along with the triggered spell.
I think fire burst falls off big time in damage
@@amarr85 Maybe, but I think there may be some untapped potential with that weapon since you can have two enchants on it. Fire Burst is just the first thing that came to mind.
Its tough because you also lose the 2 supported by mods as well. But if you were not going crit at all then that wouldn't be a big deal. Like if you were just using lancing steel to enable your weapon triggers which I think is a perfectly reasonable way to play this then I think that could make sense
Fire burst has 1.5 sec CDR pretty bad
Do we need the lightning damage is lucky amulet with archmage? I don't think it has a damage range right?
@@Rj-cf8eh nope! Like you said, archmage doesn't give a lightning damage range so it wouldn't be worth using
Would probably use something like a foible, xopec temple amulet (hybrid increased and flat mana mod), or even something like ungil's harmony if you are going Ele overload coc
My English notgood but i have questions. Can we reduce trigger cooldown?
Yep! 27% cooldown recovery speed gets you to 5 triggers a second. I think 52% gets you to 6
hold so explain, fire storm in chest and axe but due to implicit on axe, does this mean firestorm is benefiting from all chest sockets + shield sockets?
@@judgezee9371 oh nah those are two separate firestorms. One benefits from everything in the axe + shield. The one in my chest just benefits from the supports in the chest. I was just doubling up on firestorm because it is good damage
I haven't played this character in a few weeks but I did switch off firestorm to fix the visual clarity problem. I switch to a version with fire projectiles in the axe and ice spear in my chest. Current version is a little boring but it is very strong, just detonate dead of chain reaction and volatile dead in the axe
@@poopbutts aaah ok I see. Was hoping it was some new tech similar to the whole life tap thingy
rip visual clarity
Do you think there's some potential for some kind of ignite + flame surge build? I've never played ignite, or flame surge, or with the axe so i have no idea if it's even a good idea or how it would work.
@@philllllllll I feel like a stinker in saying no but I don't think so. Ingjte synergizes with big single hits since you can only have 1 ignite on an enemy. This axe synergizes with many small hits since it lets you trigger many spells a second
@@poopbutts Don't feel bad about saying no, I'm trying to understand what's possible to brew with this thing. I had a weird idea if focusing mainly on an attack skill to inflict a massive ignite and then having the axe proc flame surge. Even if it wasn't "maximizing" the procs. But it's probably not worth it
@@philllllllll ah I see. Could still something like that with battlemage's cry linked with flamesuege or just use a "trigger socketed skill every 8 seconds" craft. I think battlemage's cry + autoexert + flamesuege should work though
@@poopbutts I'm dumb for not having thought of that before, haha. Thanks for the tip. What's concerning for me is looking through builds using that axe, none of them really go higher than 2mil dps and it seems like you have to jump through a LOT of hoops to get to that point.
@@philllllllll Ignite damage is generally a lot lower than most archetypes unfortunately. What you do gain though is comfy dps uptime
I'd definitely be curious in investigating Sab/triggerbot options especially with SSF gear where Squire is not realistically available
@@AshrielDrummer good luck! Sab sounds way more fun
Thankfully the axe is relatively ssf friendly since farming an awakener's orb isn't too bad.
The real tricky part with sabo on trees I've tried to make is solving the crit. You can solve the mana cost with eb + instant leech. Without squire I wonder if it makes more sense to go cyclone? Since you likely only want 1 skill in your axe and then cyclone is good enough which also lets you use brittle boots to consistently keep up that + base crit. Alternatively you can farm up a leadership's price
@@poopbutts Kind of a heavy investment, but Battlemage's cry gives some base crit
@@mattcline_ 100%. I know people probably don't love the idea but when you have a really low base crit redblade banner or chieftain are pretty good options because of battlemage's cry
There's always the turbo motion sickness use case where you trigger Bodyswap and use Badge of the Brotherhood to give it a ton of CDR.
Lol I always try it just to see how stupid it looks and every time without fail it makes me immeditely queasy
What would a sabo tree look like?
I wasn't happy with any of the trees I made for sabo but after thinking about it more I think you just can use leadership's price to fix your crit. Go Eldritch battery and instant es leech from the tree. Use a large cluster jewel so you can have two crit mediums with basics of pain and pressure points. Use a diamond flask with "flask charge on crit".
Defensively I would likely go lightning coil + grace and spell sup. I think you could make an argument for going utula's but you would need to get all non red sockets which would be a huge pain in the ass
How about discharge and discharge of misery, the enchant's cooldown will overwrite normal discharge's cd ??
@@ngocanhnguyen8437 when the discharge jewel existed it used to overwrite the CD of items but currently it would just still have a 2 second cool down socketed in the axe :(
I did think about discharge of misery because it is a good fire skill. Just can't figure out how to consistently gain the charges
@@poopbutts how about discharge of misery, i dont know why GGG hate coc discharge so much, it got nerfed for like 4-5 years,
@@ngocanhnguyen8437 right? Idk why that can't show it a little love. Discharge is such a cool skill conceptually
We just need to get better ways to gain charges on hit then we can do it. Hoping we eventually get tools for that
@@poopbutts you can actually get a lot of charges and a lot of charge generation on a replica badge assassin yoinking +2 frenzy from trickster, pathing to disciple of the forbidden and anointing overcharge but realistically what you get is a character that's kinda all over the place and has nothing other than crit and charge generation
the biggest thing that kills it is the new Discharge quality requiring you to get to 200% quality to never consume charges, as you're now basically capped at 69% chance in the best possible setup which I think is now ashes with a +1 socketed Dialla's and a level 5 awakened enhance
@@rokhpaperscissors1349 Right that is the whole issue. You have to jump through soooooo many hoops to even get close to having max charge discharges when triggering them. I think we just need to wait for better charge generation ittems to get created or ways to get even more quality on gems somehow
Hoi! Here my stupid idea when i saw this.. thinking of a better Ngamahu's Flame. Using Battlemage/Spellblade and put 1 or 2 skills with squire. And then a full dmg melee setup, since melee was buffed. E.g. cyclone with fire projectiles solving the problem to not run into every pack.
@@floppgaming4394 it's going to be tough to scale the damage of the spell well enough to have it deal decent damage but Inquisitor does scale generic crit really well so mayyyybe you could get it to work
You could get endurance charges on crit on your axe. It’s a very low-chance craft so I get why you didn’t go for it.
wait you might be a genius.
If I get the axe into a state of having both supported by crit mods and open suffix it blocks the normal local crit chance and normal crit multi from rolling. So, if I lock suffixes and reforge crit I'm 50% to hit endurance on crit.
Edit - I would make sure a weapon like this exists in standard before wasting the resources. It would be weird if the crt on endurance could roll with crit strikes since they both add local crit but idk, they are different groups
@@poopbutts oh damn I didn’t even know the support crit mods blocked their non-support counterparts tho that does make sense. 50/50 def doesn’t sound too bad.
what? is it explicit or implicit?
@@itsallinthepast2944 explicit mod, shaper suffix. I get the mods from here poedb.tw/us/One_Hand_Axes
@@xTobsecretx this is why i hate crafting. ggg totally sucks at explaining stuff. stupid hidden mechanics really grinds my gears.
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would triggerbots work? This looks so fun ngl
Yep! I wanted to try sabo but went with quizzy because it is easier to fix your crit with such a bad base crit weapon
Sabo would be more fun though, and even more nonsense. If you do try that take solving your mana/es sustain for your skills seriously. 27ish skills a second is no joke and Sab would make that 54.
@@poopbutts One thing that might be fun on Saboteur is using the axe to trigger Armageddon Brand of Recall to autoplace brands and then using a CoC link to recall them.
It sounds a bit weird but since you want a lot of Brand Recall levels and quality it actually pairs fairly well with Static Strike since then you could abuse Ambush for free attack crit. I threw together a quick pob with an 0.858s Brand Recall CD and Static Strike hitting a 4th beam every 0.86s to sync up, which would be somewhere around 16 triggered Armageddon Brand of Recalls a second and should ignore the penalty from Triggerbots.
@@rokhpaperscissors1349 That is so goofy! I was literally thinking about that earlier this league like a build your own autobomber. I was also thinking about ambush + static strike or rage vortex of berserking but now thinking more about it jsut leap slam migh t be enough since 3 hits gets us to 6 brands since each trigger creates two thanks to triggerbots.
@@poopbutts one fun thing for RV is that Ravenous Passion easily sustains the rage if you're triggering like 12 Archmage spells a second or something equally stupid
When RV falls off you just wait for Cloak or link Archmage to Frostblink to spend enough mana for more rage.
If you manage to scale it with affordable items please flood me with dms. I am in SSF and this looks too fun.
Will do! The axe is pretty easy to make, you just need to farm up an awakener's orb but the power runes and squire are certainly ssf unfriendly.
Unsure of whether this kind of setup is worth doing without the squire unfortunately. Like, a pseudo 5 link axe like this might still be good enough if you just use 1-2 skills that are really strong like detonate dead of chain (especially with archmage)
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And my gpu will burn if i try this
@@notwilltoledo Seriously. Mine gets really hot when playing this but that could just be because he is trying to stay on theme since I'm using fire skills