Why ALL BAGS will become WORTHLESS...the market is contaminated.🦠🦠🦠
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I just heard that Cartier will no longer be authenticating their love collection. Meaning they themselves cannot authenticate a love bracelet that seems crazy to me!!
One of the most overpriced pieces of jewellery, the love bracelets.
WOW! what the?! so crazy!
This is completely true. If you purchase anything Cartier keep all of the paperwork. That will be the only way you will be able to sell it in the future.
Yeah because they don't want you to buy second hand without fear that is a scam.....
Stop buying.
This is why I stick to contemporary brands! And why people need to stop saying designer bags are “investments”.
They're not financial investments but they ARE wardrobe and lifestyle investments, and they will take you into various situations and even open doors. I think a Kelly bag is probably a great door opener, AND a financial investment. I don't have one though...
@deborahcurtis1385 you contradict yourself in this statement! 🤣
Yess, cannot agree more! 💜
@@deborahcurtis1385 Wardrobe investment maybe but "lifestyle" investment? What does that even mean? If it takes a Kelly bag to open a door are you sure that is door you want to walk through? As the market gets more saturated with bags the value will come down. In the past most women only owned one or two bags now the average woman's closet looks like a store front. All collectible markets eventually collapse and this one is no different.
@@pippadawg7037 I'm not judging people for wanting this, I'm just stating facts. I personally like having quality things but I don't have them for their status, more their intrinsic worth.
If you have quality clothes and style it is a lifestyle investment, it means you want to enjoy that and look a certain way. If I slob around the house in an oodie and tracksuit pants it's ok but many realise what a difference it makes to look good. I wore a new dress today and gave a bit of thought to what I wore with it and it really made the event I went to, so much more enjoyable. You can't be afraid to enjoy playing with your clothes and bags to get the most out of your own looks and to give yourself a lift. There's nothing wrong with this and I think we're tending to be way too judgemental about the issues.
I got a lot of compliments in my dress. It's a great thing having a new outfit to wear and enjoying it. There's no shame in it whatsoever. At no time was I pretending to be someone else, but because how I presented myself was exuding confidence that lead to more positive responses. I made a few new friends too. I'm not saying doors opened only because of my dress but it helped. It's all about personal style and knowing what works for you. Like Jessie I'm a high contrast person so I am more bold with my choices, instead of looking apologetic I look confident and you ARE more confident. That's a value.
This is one of the reasons I’m gravitating to made to order custom bags directly from a leather artisan. I get exactly what I want, size, color, leather, hardware. Straps can be made longer or shorter. I know the artisan and his working conditions. Quality and authenticity issues don’t exist. I’m not fueling a greedy multinational. The market has become so shady (fake and authentic). If you can separate yourself from a brandname you can sidestep the whole mess.
Currently waiting on a milkshake pink quilted lamb skin shopper with gold hardware (175 delivered), thanks to Barbie fever 😂❤
How did you find a quality leather artisan?
What artisan are you suggesting?
Hey guys I keep trying to reply but it’s taken down by YT because it contains the name of an online handmade platform 😉🙂
Have you ever tried Via Neapolis or Mirta?
@user-rl5hr7cp5m I don’t support fakes or replicas, let me be clear.
I support original designs by private artisans 🙂
Scary ..I always worry that even boutiques may be getting scammed by getting fake returns
same! especially department stores
Exactly 😢
Stores are changing the game on returns by requiring both the receipt AND a driver’s license or other government issued picture ID. I was told that limits excessive returns & a scammer won’t want to provide ID.
@@bumblebee4024 What about the sale associates? Fake makeup is less money but it can be even worse because you put it on your face, on your eyes etc, and the department stores had a real problem with their sale associates buying fake makeup and then switching it out for the real stuff. Then they would sell the real thing on eBay.
@@pippadawg7037may I ask where you read about this “problem?”
I cannot imagine this being a widespread problem.
I am aware that TH-cam does not allow links in comments, but if you would, a few keywords and year that your references were published would a a big help to enable me to Google articles about this.
Merci beaucoup
I find it silly to buy from mega corporations that care more about shareholders than the quality of their product, when I can support a local artisan that uses quality materials for a fraction of what these ripoffs charge.
Hate to break it to you but I have a friend who took her super fake birkin to Hermes to be repaired and they took it. They repaired it. They even complimented her beautiful bag. Hermes didn’t even know it was fake when they took it apart 🤦🏻♀️
Wow!!! That's insane
@@latigresseNYC lol yeah I laughed at the moxy she had to have to take it in but she was confident. I’m not a H fan but I used to at least appreciate the quality before hearing this.
OMG! That is crazy..
The nicest new bags I got in years were from independent brands and likely have no resale value/marquee power, but still made in the old school way. When luxe boutiques cant be trusted not to sell fakes, time to move on from the heritage brands.
Yup. It's not chic, but I'm sticking with Dooney Florentine & Portland Leather Goods bags because I'm getting quality full grain leather at reasonable prices. And I really enjoy the bags. Just my two cents. 🌻
💕💕💕💕 thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Sometimes the fakes are even better than the real because the real don't care enough to do quality checks and just sell the bag even if it is not up to quality. Sadly, as a handbag lover and a LV, BV and Fendi buyer for many, many, many, years it has broken my heart to see this happen. It's gone over the cliff!
Luxury brands are trying to keep up with fast fashion by pumping out new designs and products so there's no rarity or value anymore. The second mistake they've made is pricing out consumers WHILE decreasing the quality. IMO, they're giving every reason for people to buy replicas instead.
I do not like replicas, but you make some strong points 😔
We're at the place where it's become clear as water...None of this means anything. All of it is fragment of our imagination, pure luxury. I own several authentic bags, but frankly I'm no longer enamored. Give me the other stuff, it doesn't matter anyways.
I agree with Dacob.
These companies are fully aware there are replicas out there. In NYC just around a corner and down 1 block from 5th Ave, there are ppl on the streets selling replicas. And online is even worse. These brands may be in on it. They probably make more money selling replicas
if brands want to push fast fashion and are making lesser quality in the goal of having the bag fall apart earlier, then they are defeating themselves. quality bags are what makes them luxury as they will stand the test of time and wearability as far as fashion and durability. reputation is hard to build but super easy to ruin.
I totally agree with you. These luxury brands are facing the natural consequences for placing short term profit over the health of the company long term as well as the health and well-being of their customers, workers, and the planet. I have zero sympathy for any negative consequence the brands face as a result of their greed.
I am with you about the downside of seeing new bags almost every week from LV for example--I think it tarnishes the brand. I'm so tired of 'luxury' being just the big three (LV, Hermes, Chanel) so I've started looking at other smaller brands.
not a bad idea at all!!
I'm with you. I've been buying luxury for years, but not anymore. I'm happy now with Coach Outlet.
What has really soured me on LV is knowing they pay their US sewers minimum wage. And people wonder why there are so many quality issues-you have to pay your people enough to care. The audacity of charging so much more for their products than they’re willing to invest in them.
@@thegoodnightgracie Minimum wage? That is terrible? Where are their factories? I know a lot of work is done in China and "finished" in France, Italy and the USA. It is a fact that luxury brands are made in China too. You know why Italy was hit so hard by Covid? It is all about their "special" relationship with China. So much of what is made in Italy and France is first "made" in China.
@@pippadawg7037 the factory is in Texas…they only pay them $8 or less per hour. Ever since I’ve known that, I haven’t been able to look at the bags the same way. Yes, I’ve spent time in Asia and these luxury companies do have quite the dirty little secret….especially considering the recent insane price hikes.
HOW is Poshmark getting away with selling hundreds if not thousands of fakes? By virtue of looking the other way they’re giving these counterfeiters an easy platform😡😡😡😡
I suspect its because most of the consumers of luxury bags are women with low levels of aggression. Women's issues are in general neglected or ignored.
And Mercari! I got swindled buying what I thought was a used authentic Coach pillow tabby
I’ve been burned both ways…consignment stores selling authentic that are super fakes AND one of the big resellers trying to tell me my bags that are 100 percent authentic are inauthentic. Thank you for saying this out loud…my experience with the service with 2 Rs in its name has completely soured me on authenticators .
RR returned a bag to me questioning the authenticity, I was shocked.
I peeped this a long time ago, around 2016 I sold all my luxury bags and have only bought contemporary like Coach, Tory Burch and Marc Jacobs since. They are all very nice, high quality beautiful bags. I miss buying luxury but its not worth the investment to me.
Your bags are authentic. They are beautiful. Use them in good health. We all need to invest our money for the future and for experiences, not all this stuff.
The 5th ave ladies are rocking Birkin replicas. IYKYK
I remember in the “House of Gucci” movie, it was said “they” (Gucci), make the fakes too. I always wondered if that was true. Some of these super fakes look better made than the authentic. I remember Virgil Abloh saying in an interview that he loves replicas, they are great free advertising for a brand and you must be doing something right if someone wants to copy your product. 🤷🏽♀️
Imagine that to be true! We know most of these bags don’t cost a great deal to make; why not sell boutique ones in a nice place with an astronomical mark up on price and the others with $100 mark up? As a boutique shopper, I am probably the fool being had, not the other way around.
Gucci would be using contractors and subcontractors, they don't own all the factories. They used to subcontract to artisans in Italy who worked in their own ateliers but many died off from old age or from Covid19, so we're in a new era. A lot of the contractors have Chinese-owned factories rather than using individual artisans, and they used to bus workers in from China, so there's nothing to stop the contractors from making dupes on the side, using the same materials and techniques. This is how the super fakes exist there's hardly any indication they aren't real.
The same used to be the case for Hermès scarves, you once could buy them on the streets of Rome, same manufacturers but they'd just leave out the relevant logo. This was in the mid 1990s, I'm sure it's been happening a long time. The reason it's happening more is that it's more economic for the conglomerates to subcontract out, than having everyone an employee of the company. LVMH is one of the absolute worst for this but it seems Gucci is not far behind.
Best not to get '20s luxury information from period dramas and fictional movies? BTW Virgil Abloh never worked for Gucci
@@deborahcurtis1385 Gucci own all their own factories, that's where they make bags for other Kering brands like Balenciaga, Saint Laurent and McQueen
@@drnono3386 I didn't get that from the post, there is a clear demarcation between Gucci the movie and a documentary with Virgil Abloh being interviewed. Best read the posts carefully. (We all make mistakes...even when correcting others!)
I think you're right about a few points. I for one used to run a luxury thrift so I trust my guts more than most of these companies. I do think you can find individuals who know what they are talking about but as soon as things scale up to a larger scale like therealreal I believe it's hardened to source that kind of talent. I will never understand authentication via photo either. To me you need the bag in your hands. Thank you for speaking about what's on your mind.
thanks lots for your expertise Chris!
I am so with you, it seems like it's getting impossible to keep up, and the superfakes are definitely devaluing already overpriced bags. If there is literally no difference, why would I put money into the pockets of that billionaire?? I am so glad I am out of the game! I like what I already have, and anything I am adding is vintage at this point, so far vintage Coach, which is awesome quality and affordable too.
yesss!!! at least coach is priced reasonably!!! which is rare these days with the top brands!
thanks Jane!!
Personally, I won't buy pre-loved unless I can feel or touch it in real life. All my bags are from the boutiques. This is why a Hermes bag is out of reach for me because playing the H "game" doesn't work for me. I refuse to pay grey market prices and still wonder if my purse is "real".
To be very honest, I don’t trust authenticators by just looking at pictures! We need to feel and smell the bag at the same time too in front of us. Super fakes are so good nowadays that we have to have both fake & real hand in hand to authenticate the bag. Honestly it’s not worth buying genuine anymore. Luxury companies are the biggest scam 😂😂 I had to choose between 13 Loewe puzzle bags (believe me) and all of them have flaws! Super fakes has better quality!
Super fakes ruined my love for handbags. It's so sad. I was very passionate about it for the longest time but not anymore. 😢
I just buy because I love ❤ them I dont mind about other people if they have cheap or super fakes or originals… its about my joy with my bags and of course I dont see them as an investment. 😊
I’m seriously convinced these top luxury brands own the super fake factories. Win/win. Very unfortunate. Big business winning again! We are indeed at the mercy of retailers.
I saw a video before LV released the multi Pochette accesoires being unboxed by a lady doing boujee on a budget meaning super fakes! It was weeks before LV dropped it. They try and hit the market even before. 😮
Jessie and someone else in the comments mentioned that the luxury designers might be playing the game by allowing the replica designers off the hook from prosecution because the luxury brand gets a cut from their sales too. Wouldn't surprise me, especially if they're releasing the items before the real brand.
@@notme1255 They're organised! = organised crime?
...but more likely they are getting stolen goods before release, either manufactured by someone who is moonlighting from their regular job, to make some samples, or just ordinary theft. Then it's all systems go. I have to say the latest bags do not interest me as much as the earlier editions circa 2000. It was a different era then.
Deciding whether to spend 10k on a bag when you could get something similar or equally satisfying for 600.00 becomes an easier choice if you realize that you could give the 9400.00 you "saved" to a reputable charity. Who needs the money more, Bernard Arnault or Doctors without Borders? :)
Your points in this video are so accurate that I am thinking about my next purchases on the second hand market, I only shop from a known consigmemt store like Fashionphile but they also can make a mistake, we are all human and so I think that if I would want a new bag to be added to my collection, I'll buy it from the boutique (I'm not interested in Chanel anymore because I have my dream vintage classic flap) and I think these super fakes, alongside the world's economy crisis will kill the pre-loved market very soon and it's very sad
These so-called “authenticators” are just guessing.
Not to mention when people return fakes to the boutique and then the boutique resells it, so you're not even 100% safe buying from the boutique. I've gotten an LV bag from Fashionphile that I suspected was fake and had it authenticated online and they said it was authentic, so I kept it, but I honestly still have my doubts about it :-(
The actual shops should not accept returns anymore simply because it’s possible a customer returns a super fake instead. I think an incident happened in China where the returned superfake bag was sold as real and the staff never picked it up as being fake because it’s so hard to tell these days.
LV has one bag I might want but coach has 2 I definitely will be purchasing. LV is my fave but there are other brands I am considering purchasing.
LV is pushing their luck.
They try so hard, to be seen as same level of luxury, as Hermes or Chanel, but they are not.
Every time, I go past my local LV store, it is not only far from, the finically elite standing in line to enter, but the complete upper site! People from low social class, living several generations in what is normally considered as a one family home. 4-5 incomes/pensions vs only 1 rent, means the they have spare cash for cars and LV, but NOT that they are rich and the fool nobody.
But because of the lower class buying LV, the wealthy choose NOT to shop there, meaning the brand is not luxury at all, but lower and lower middle class, pretending to be wealthy.
And that LV now turns out, new meaningless collections every month, only means pay a lot today, have no resell or cloud value next week… something I think people will get fed up with real fast.
LV in london, picks up middle to high tear clients, in luxury cars with drivers and free champagne, just to get them to turn up for store events.
Hermes in London, actually turns clients who turn up, in their own rolls Royce with driver, away at the door at store events, if they are not on the guest list!
That’s true luxury, vs luxury wanna be for you!
One thing is sure, LV is not and with current marketing plan, never going to be top level luxury, which is fine too, but stop pretending to be what you are not LV!
This gets deeper and deeper. Very concerning. Thanks for your coverage, Jess.
Not sure about other brands, but Gucci outlet items have a capital G with a circle around it stamped on the interior brand tag.
Jessie, I always love your thoughts. They are very introspective and thoughtful. You keep me grounded and give me food for thought.
Handbags aren’t cheap and I feel that without your voice I could spin out. Your experience and honesty is appreciated, you’ve been there before me and you are always so open, Love it! Thank you.
With as much as they charge, they should be able to put a chip inside with a serial number inside, that corresponds with their numbers that changes with each release completely with an authentic number as well as an emblem that changes on each release. That should help. I think Chanel is kinda using a chip but it needs to change a lot with each release! That would help authenticate!
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LV Aldo use a chip now
YEs but the reader is only in Chanel stores so where does that get you with the thousands of bags made before that? Also they aren't interested in helping you authenticate a bag you bought elsewhere. It's all smoke and mirrors and there's very little advantage these days with quality being so low and prices so high, in having an authentic Chanel store-bought. The prices are through the roof! This is why it's so circular.
Chips can also be “super faked.”
I don’t know if the reps have same chips too. Who knows? But since three years ago, LV puts chips.
Totally agree Jessie. I even worry about getting a (returned) fake from the boutique.
I also think that the future of luxury hands bags will change but in a different way.
Rising crime, in many of the worlds big cities, people being hell up in the street or cars, smash and grab or be forced, to hand over luxury items, in bright daylight, will eventually result in RICH women, buying replicates of their most expensive bags, let’s say a Himalaya to wear in public, just like the RICH women, already do with their most expensive pieces of jewellery, of which the jeweller, either has a window fake version (copy) or makes a fake copy for his clients. Theses extreme expensive originals are ONLY worn under top security such as private or red carpet events, while the fakes are worn often in public or when travelling, as they have no value, but ALL people of that class, know it’s a fake yet a copy of what’s in the safe at home.
I think the same will eventually happen to luxury watches, too much crime and the police can’t keep us safe anymore.
People are held up right outside their own front doors, followed home from somewhere, found showing off via social media or similar.
Luxury is getting more and more dangerous. Hence why even TH-camrs these days have to ensure not so even show the view from a window not to disclose where they live with is understandable but makes our world a sad place where crime more often then not pays off.
Agree 💯 Jess!! I’m far too scared to buy preloved and frankly, losing my interest in in store shopping too as the constant releases are tiring and hard to even justify the price for the product and the quality of the bags etc now 😢😢😢 fun video as always!! ❤❤❤ kiki
Years from now all the bags will be on the resellers websites, I see it now people trying to sell all their old bags. I only own a few coach bags but I’m done I only buy what I need not excess. When the bags I have get old or worn I’ll probably buy one just one Gucci bag and carry it until it falls apart.
I just purchased a Gold Ostrich Bolide 35 circa 1992 that is in pristine condition! It is so gorgeous!!! I feel more comfortable having vintage Hermes authenticated and at this point I will only purchase Hermes bags from the 90's or directly from the boutique.
Same here. I've been collecting vintage for a number of years now!
We never buy pre-loved… we tend to stick to boutique and outlet… Gucci Outlet quality is sometimes better then LV and Channel boutiques…
Great topic!
You’re right, luxury shopping isn’t particularly luxurious any more. Cosette has always given me an odd vibe so I’ve never used them but I use Cettire for buying Longchamp nylon and they have been genuine… I can’t see any difference between my boutique ones and what they’ve sent. The discount on those is great but they are so much cheaper in Europe than Aus anyway so it makes sense. If buying 2nd hand I always ask myself if I am comfortable paying this price even if it turns out to not be the real deal? For that reason I usually only buy small items 2nd hand, otherwise I’m boutique only… but they can be rubbish too sometimes 😕.
I agree.. vintage is better and safer.
Louis Vuitton has detailed RFID now in their bags so it’s not too much of a big deal now
That is not impossible to crack. Unless lv use blockchain technology which i advice them to do in the early 2016 ish.
@@carrino15 no but Chanel’s has buyer info on theirs and details of purchase
You raised a really interesting question/theory that I had not thought of! The luxury brands may be willing to turn a blind eye if they get a secret cut of the proceeds from the fake bags! I had wondered why Prada, Channel etc were not as furious or invested in not letting fake bags be sold.
You had me thinking how different it is in the writing/playwriting world. Estates of famous playwrights are really good at going after theatre productions that did not get permission to stage the play. For example, the Estate of Samuel Beckett was infamous for shutting down any production of Waiting for Godot that did not get permission-they even shut down high school productions I heard! I don’t know how true that is but I do now it is imperative to get permission or you can get into legal trouble.
So if playwrights with one tenth of the money that a luxury brand does can protect their intellectual property, why can’t Channel, Prada, LV sic an entire law firm on any and all places that sell fake bags!
This is a very interesting topic! ❤
Edit- you looked stunning 💕💕
That's a great point! It's corruption and consumers should be informed before buying.
I agree with you that within the preloved world, vintage becomes more and more appealing. Fakes are easier to detect, and for most brands, the quality was better.
Listen… I’ve yet to see anyone say it in the comments but I collect vintage bags and have them taken care of. I’m not messing with the luxury bag industry right now lol
Here’s my take on all of this, just as somebody who’s been shopping for her whole entire life OK when it comes to designer fashion, that’s completely different from quality. You have to ask yourself why are you buying something? Are you buying it because it’s gonna make you feel richer more fashionable or are you buying something because you like it because you personally like it I think that all of the mine blipping that you’re doing speaks to a deeper issue as to why you’re purchasing something in my opinion these are the questions that I’ve asked myself on why I particularly used to buy you know, designer only as opposed to what looks good on you the quality how long this is going to hold up when it comes to you know your wardrobe what do you want it to look like 10 years 1520 years down the road. I think that if you’re buying something as a status symbol, and you only feel like your outfits pulled together because you’re wearing something that announces to the whole world that you can afford this then you’re already wrong it’s not a true purchase you’ve been captured by a societal I can’t think of the word, but you get what I mean I’ve recently switched a lot of what I purchase to The Row. Now let’s go back 40 years ago. I have an absolute love for amazing wall that drapes I don’t like anything that synthetic on my body. I like to look casual yet elegant. I want to invest in something that I know that I can grab a blazer in my closet in 10 years and it’s not gonna look dated, when I decided to retire and sell all of my Chanel, and as much as I love Hermès Kelly, the reason why I wouldn’t purchase Hermès is simply for the fact that most of the women I see wearing them have no fashion sense there’s no elegance in their outfit they’re just throwing on that bag as though that is supposed to complete the outfit I don’t know that’s just my thought it it’s not a charge against anybody buying anything it’s just kind of my evolution process and it’s come to the fact that I’m gonna wear whatever I want. It’s truly a state of mind that comes from inside of you before you ever put anything on you.
This is a GREAT comment
Why pay all the money for all of these brands, if you really search out there there is a lot of quality in lesser known brands.
I managed to get a vintage CHANEL large business affinity with the leather interior in excellent condition then they started doing cloth interior and jacked up the price decreased quality increased price I'll never sell my bag now for sure
Replicas look like they have more quality than originals unfortunately.
Decob is a sweet ❤️. And he’s right when he says that bags are not an investment,they are objects. After I saw some of his videos I just buy what I absolutely loved and going to use until it breaks down.😂.And most of them are not luxury anymore. I saw an valentino skirt another day for over 1000 dollars and it was 100% polyester 😮😮😮.
To be honest I don't trust authenticators from most popular selling platforms ( very often very young people 🤯 ) I do understand training ect...but let's be honest you can't be expert in 50 luxury brands including new and vintage ( I seen lots of fakes pass authentication 😬 ) I do agree ! You can be expert in one luxury brand but this takes lot's of time... you need to know brand history , logo evolution , lots of small details ect. it's a real DETECTIVE job 😅 experience comes with time ( if you are luxury collector and you know your favourite brand you can probably authenticate items that you are willing to buy / preloved ) For items from new collections I do recommend Certilogo and NFC microchip authentication ( applies to lots of brands )
Great topic. I’ve always been skeptical about those so called authenticators especially after reading about the Real Real.
Thanks for that Jess - I watched @SuperDacob and I think between you and him I am starting to wonder what is going on in the luxury market space?
I definitely will not be buying preloved any more. Its too easy to fake everything even bags that are new with tags and receipts because everything can be faked right now.
Food for thought for sure
Sadly, what you’re forgetting is the main factor…… knowing for yourself that you are carrying the real authentic genuine product probably brought from a boutique and Joy it brings you whenever you carry the bag, because you love its history and quality; not to impress other people.
I will never buy on resellers like Fashionphile all those Hermes Birkin bags they have in stock, surely some are super fakes where are they getting the bags from
Some leading economic commentators are saying we are on the verge of another banking crisis like the GFC 2008, and liquidity is going to be very tight because the banking sector is squeezed by high interest rates having to pay that out to depositors but tight lending criteria and risk of defaults is increasing.
How that plays out for luxury handbags is' to be continued'...but I would think that's why so many collectors are trimming their collections and battening down the hatches as this will play out in the next 4-6 months.
If there isn't enough money in the system, then luxury bags are a lower priority. On the upside maybe bargains are to be had?
(I know Goodbyes are absolutely pumping... sending some stuff of my own there soon).
They can authenticate newer bags with the chip they scan.
I recently purchased a certain Khaite bag that has been discontinued from their line from The Real Real given the they are known to carry fake designer handbags and other items. This khaite bag and re/done shoes I’ve purchase were very much real. In my opinion I think the least risk to not be scammed through preowned venues is to avoid very well known luxury brands (ie. Hermes, Chanel, Bottega Veneta, Loewe, Gucci, Saint Laurent, Prada). I think the people behind super fake items pay more attention to popular luxury brands bc everyone knows and wants brands like Hermes and Bottega. They go where the demand is. If I do purchase another luxury brand like Loewe I feel safer to purchase at their official boutique at this point.
Luxury handbags and brands in general were at one time aspirational, those days are over. Gucci, LV, Prada and Versace are no longer products that represent a "class" to the which people wish to gain entry.
Over 10 years ago I sold a ***real**** H 90scarf to some woman here in NZ, who then (so she claimed) had it 'authenticated' as a fake, - allegedly by some woman she re-sold it to in Paris!!! Then she raised a dispute with me (long story)
The thing is, I bought the scarf in Collins St at Hardy Bros (Melbourne) in the 1980s. Almost a months salary for me then!! NO way it was fake; it came in an orange envelope (not a box) and they threw in two massive thick glossy catalogues from H as well. Anyway the whole experience was unpleasant but it showed that some ppl 'authenticating' H items are full of shite, frankly.
As for the bags, I only buy H Dupes. They are sold as real leather but I think they are compounded leather, made of pulverised leather scraps re-formed into sheets. SO the fact the original material is derived mainly from actual animal protein (leather) they can sell them as 'real leather' without being sanctioned. ( I would never touch PU with a ten foot pole FWIW ) When looking into Compounded leather at the time i began buying the bag dupes, I saw one study that said a basketball made of the compounded lasted longer than a real skin one, so I guess the bags are gonna hold up OK over time in terms of wear and tear.
ETA I got my first fake Kelly in an Opshop near Malvern station, also in the 1980s. Real leather 25cm, dark brown (ebene?) and it is still going strong after 40 plus years. It was $15 Jess :) I have had to do a coupleof tiny repairs on it.
woah! love reading your story! $15 sure is a steal for a good quality bags!! Thanks for taking the time to share with me ^_^
Idk that I won’t ever buy luxury handbags anymore. I’ve been wearing designer bags since my 20s and I certainly can say I would never see myself wearing crap like MK because I know I don’t have to however I can absolutely relate to what it is you are saying! Luxury has lost all its luster and I have come to realize we do not need 30+ bags in our collection. This summer I consolidated my collection instead of having a ton of bags I’ve limited to 15 and went with Hermes and Chanel staples and bags I know I’d wear because the way you are feeling about these handbags I think everyone is too!
totally!!!! thanks for sharing your thoughts Miriam!!! my collection has changed lots too! ❤❤❤
LV will check the bag code with a handheld scanner before accepting a return. They checked my bag.
I only buy what I love- never for resale value but I try not to buy at consignment stores or online- I have a few vintage sellers who I know source bags from specific people. Its not fool proof but it’s getting authenticated
I think you are spot on because here in Australia we don’t have the outlets like there are in America and England etc
I think people always misunderstand that the big portion of money we spend on luxury handbags is for the brands, not necessarily the quality of the handbag itself. If your argument is right, then imagine if LV or Chanel are shutdown and no longer exist in the market, do you think people are willing to spend few hundred dollars to buy the super fake of these brands, knowing those are absolutely not produced from the brands, even without an professional authenticator proof?
Even though the super fake quality is surpassing the boutique bag, without the brand designing new bags, investing a lot of money to marketing and branding, I don't think the super fake has a market at all if those brands are no longer exist in the market.
To be honest, if you appreciate much more of the quality of a handbag than its brand and history behind it, I think you better get a hand-crafted real leather bag from those small Italian store. They are truly high quality but much more affordable. And why they cannot charge the price as high as those big brands? Again, it's the lacking power and resources issue of establishing a brand with a history that makes everyone buys in.
And that is why big brands spend our money every year to make runway shows with their new designs, hiring a design director with million dollars a year, paying celebrity to wear their goods, making ad campaigns and open those fancy stores worldwide. Can those super fake do the same? No, they are earning money without putting any effort but from stealing the influence of brands and the resources those big brands invest in.
I don’t buy “trendy” bags and I’m only buying very vintage now.
Scary indeed! The stories that I hear, enough to make me feel uneasy. Good topic 🙌🏼
Think about the fact you can get a beautiful “fake” for a few hundred dollars and they are STILL making a profit. It’s just leather and stitching. There’s only SO GOOD you can make a hand bag.
I honestly love luxury handbags from famous designers but I am trying to buy less and less from very well known brands because I am realizing that what I pay is not just quality but mainly I am paying for their massive marketing campaigns...furthermore the quality is going down recently despite prices going up...and it is not luxury anymore if a bag is not handmade but mass-produced and everyone now days can own one. Recently I am buying a lot from websites that can put you in contact whit artisans in Italy (most of them produce for big names as well....) and have the same quality, if not even better quality, at a fraction of the price and exclusive designs. It's not common to see other people carrying the same bag when an artisan produces is it just for you, this is real luxury to me!
Totally agree with you Jess ❤ Buying preloved are so scary now. I own over 40 handbags, only buy Hermes, Chanel and LV, all my bags (but one Chanel) new come from the boutique. I bought a mini rectangular in caviar from 'the purse affair'. I remember having that bag and my stress go through the roof because worrying about the authenticity of the bag. And i told my self never again buy new bag from consignment store 😊 oh I also hating myself back then because i paid 4.7k Aud (600 Aud more than the retail). But look back what i bought now. I can sell this mini caviar for over 10k now. Lol how crazy. When buy the right particular bags that like Chanel no longer produce in mini caviar. Make me feel good about this preloved new purchase. 🤗. Will i buy preloved in the future. Never said never in Hermes bags. Other brand bag. I think i give it a miss on preloved market
There is still "value" in it all. The value is not monetary. The value is in YOU, TO YOU AND FOR YOU. Fake, real, cheap...do you love it? VALUE. A BAG os just MATERIAL, TEXTILES so doesn't matter who makes it. A leather bag is a leather value. Focus the value on your value for your Bag(s)
Some authenticators are fine with authenticating outlet quality bags. I had a 'made for outlet' Prada bag that I bought from the outlet in Bicester Village (UK). I sent it for consignment. I know the woman who runs it (and sent it for authentication) and I had warned her that it might not pass as it didn't have a date stamp and there was a flaw on the Prada logo. The authenticator was happy to say it was the real deal so they must know the features of the outlet bags too. As an aside, the leather wore really well and someone got a great bag at a good price!
I’m always so afraid to discover a fake in my collection. I’m slowing down too..❤
I've got a fake and I kicked up a real stink about it, and they told me to keep it and I got my money back. So I use it to go to the beach, it's my B!tch bag.
I just bought two Chanel super fakes from DHgate for the first time. I haven’t received them yet. I’m not paying Chanel prices. I may have at one point, but I have other financial goals like buying a better house and investing.
Also, these top brands are lacking in quality and could pass as a fake.
I am slowing down on my bag purchases. I buy LV only from the shop. I recently bought a chanel mini bag from their shop. But, very, very careful.
I agree with you ,I would rather buy a dupe bag,because either or ,you can't carry but one at the time, I enjoy my dupes, no one will want to look inside your bag for a day code.👍😊
If the pre-loved market will no longer be viable in a couple years (Dacob), I wonder if people will pay such high prices for retail if they can't resell at a good price. It sounds like the whole luxury market may be in for a big change. I am glad I have one LV vintage and a some authenticated (sometimes twice) bags that are a few years old. I am happy with my collection and may be done. It's not worth the money or worry.
Lv is gonna have another price increase so I feel like that's it, I can't keep up with their game anymore, 2 price hikes in 2 to 3 months, YIKE~
I have always had a fear of buying preloved for this reason and thats why i always buy from boutique… with the exception of maybe 2 of my bags .. 1 from a friend and 1 from tjmaxx … i just dont trust it if its not straight from the actual boutique
This is so insightful and eye opening Jess.
Thanks Kenny!!! 🤩
Started to think that while the bag counts are growing, so are reputable lux resellers. That means they need to hire more people. It can stress the authenticity training part of onboarding as well. I personally don’t know of every single bag out there. I can just imagine trying to remember every aspect of all lux accessories or all basics of the top popular brands/items. 🤯
I actually had so much fun at Bicester village which is a luxury outlet mall in England, I'm from Australia so I had never been to a place like that before. Pretty much all of the bags are made for outlet at Prada and have design differences to any bags sold at the regular Prada store. So it should be easy to tell whether any bags you might buy on the second hand market are from the outlet. I bought one and I love it so much but the quality is lower (but so was the price).
Yeah I feel like how do the authenticator really even know. I just don’t buy anything anymore.
Just buy a super fake and live your best life. Use that money for other things...and no I don't really care about ANY of the repercussions or opinions it has on society and the myths surrounding the counterfeit bag market. Read that again slowly before you comment negatively on my post. Buy what you love, love what you buy and if someone doesn't like it, tell them where to go. ;-)
yes it's good to have an entire range of colors and style bags for less than the price of a single REAL one, which TBH I would be so nervous using day to day.
Sigh I am pretty sure I have had decent luck with preloved though at least one I suspect is outlet :( My last YSL purchase was from the boutique and unless I see something vintage preloved is not what I'll be doing. Thanks for sharing :)
I never saw the sense in trying to invest in apparel for resale purposes. The only investment value an item of clothing can have for me is how long I’m able to keep it due to quality craftsmanship. So then it has to be asked, is there a rigid line or a grey area for when we should be idolising a brand who isn’t hiring the best of the best? Are people investing in the name only or does anyone really care about tue quality? I’ve never thought seriously about buying fake intentionally, but I’m finding I care a bit less knowing these brands can’t or won’t ensure theirs is better in every way. At that point I feel a fool to give them money simply because of who they are if I don’t 1000% believe in what they make.
Great video! I can see things heading this way. Something to think about.
Sighhh getting tempted to buy a fake birkin just so I can throw it around
That is frightening that the super fakes are so real looking. That is why I buy my Gucci's and LV's at the actual store or their online site.
Vintage is also being replicated , I would be very wary of purchasing 2nd hand going forward.
What is the name of the last canvas bag that was on the wishlist…the one before the bumbag?
They need to put RFI chips in them and allow people to bring in to be scanned
hmmm not a bad idea!
You’re the smartest gal on TH-cam 💕
awww thanks!! I try hahaha 💕💕💕💕