This is What Latin ACTUALLY Sounded Like
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2022
- Here’s what Classical Latin actually sounded like and how we know. Scholars have figured out the accurate pronunciation of Latin over the years through some careful and clever methods, and today, fluent Latin speakers like @polyMATHY_Luke can even speak how the ancient Romans actually spoke Latin!
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My Latin teacher told us the best quote ever:
"Latin is as dead as dead can be. First it killed the Romans and now it's killing me."
Underrated
this quote is old. I don't remember who came up with it, but I will say that it *is* not underrated, but actually used a little too often in classics.
🤣🤣🤣
I feel the same about learning Sanskrit in school for two years. First it killed my ancestors then it killed me.
Mine used that too! Latin teachers always have the best quotes
Glad I got to hear what it sounded like for half a nano second.
I can actually understand him. It’s basic Latin but that’s the main type of Latin I have at the back of my head
Yes, the title of the video is misleading. The history lesson is okay, but he doesn't deliver the sound, except for one guy simply introducing himself. False advertising clickbait, shame. Too much content for a short form video
I was about to doxx this xiamia whatever this mf called... making me wait a minute to watch a millisecond of content
@@adonaiyah2196 Xiaoma would box you up don’t cap 🧢
@@austindavid1862 im not gonna take any sht from a dude called Austin...who wears backwards baseball caps
I think the words you are looking for to describe the two different pronunciations are “Classical” and “Ecclesiastical “. Classical Latin is what the guy at the end is speaking, ecclesiastical is more commonly known as “Church Latin”. They are really only different in pronunciation and number of letters, but the distinction still divides the Latin-learning community.
Yeah but how is he gonna pronounce that
@@chromberries7329because it’s a word that’s been said many times by many English speaking people before 👁️ 👄 👁️
As a German. We pronounce Caesar with a Z sound, not with a K sound. Kaiser is a word which stems from Caesars name meaning emperor
No you don’t
@@isrulius yes we do
@@b.k.5667 no you don’t
@@isrulius I think I know more about my native language than you
@@b.k.5667 I’m American so I know more about world languages than you even it’s your “native language”
"I'm gonna show you what classical latin sounded like"
Speaks for a good 99% of the video in English and then shows someone else speaking latin for 1.43 seconds
Ikr wtf 😂
Well he didn’t lie 🙃 he didn’t say “I’m gona speak correct Latin” he just said he was gona show you what it sounds like and he did lol
I thought his explanation beforehand was helpful and interesting 🙂
Exactly. Ridiculous.
Earned a dislike for that bs
Me pretending to understand everything: 🙂🙂
Yeah 🤣
I feel like I gained and loss a brain cell at the same time.
🙂
Short cut: c is actually prounced as k so ceaser is the same as keaser
@@moath3810 💃🫂
When your Latin teacher taught you all of this in high school with correct pronunciations-
yeah I was just thinking, my teacher definitely taught us everything that he's saying isn't taught
@@overlorde7526 The conversion from teaching Liturgical Latin to Classical Latin in Latin Language classes only started about 1900, so our auctioneer hasn’t caught up yet.
Luke can apparently handle pre-Classical Latin too. His channel is polyMathy
Rumor has it, this guy can stutter in 8 languages.
52 languages I think now
And you can only do it in one!
@@user-io2vk4nt8n Sorry, fanboi. I am fluent in 5, and never stutter.
@@jaymakak damn, what languages do you speak? I'm 15 fluent in English and Spanish, speak a little German and learning Croatian
I wonder if there will be a video someday : "White guy speaks perfect Latin. Romans shocked"
Only old church people understand latin nowadays
@@GigiGuitar nah people in Italy do, but typically more modern latin versus clasical
The TH-camr at the end literally made this video. The people in Rome didn't understand him at all because they all speak Italian now.
In Italy there is a type of highschool that middle school children can choose that teach latin so a lot of people learn basic latin, I think about 40% of the population has studied it or maybe even more
@@SHISH_STYLE I studied latin in high school. Some people also studied ancient greek... Tho less than 20% of the people studied latin in italy... These days is less common to have it in school
They actually spoke at 1.5x speed in ancient Rome
Per "the sparks of life that should be in a Roman" in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
so when someone doesn't understood they pressed the 0.5x button
My Latin teacher in high school would travel around the world just to speak Latin with people 😂. Now I’m sure it’s just over video chat but this was justtt before that became super widespread
That's so cool! Imagine being so passionate about something that you travel the world for it
he came in you?
That’s how my Latin teacher taught us to pronounce the words
This man could fit this story into 1 minute, so he sped it up. What a madman
If only there were a normal, popular video site that allowed people to post more lengthy footage
I mean, I get it, the algo and folks just not bothering with longer vids and all that... but shorts and people having to increasingly rely on them bother me a bit.
@@minhuang8848 you are writing this on the TH-cam platform? The place were people do just that..
@@MbeziAmsterdam nah reaallyyyyyyyyyyy? Its almost like they were being SARCASTIC???
@@MbeziAmsterdam OH tysm! 😋😍😊💗I thought I was on tiktok 😩🥺😔💙
@@minhuang8848 there is a full length to all of this maybe do your research before you complain about a nonexistent problem
This is actually how I was taught Latin when I was in school
Same! I was waiting at first to see what my Magistra taught wrong, and she taught the same stuff lol
Same. Church Latin might be different, but modern Latin taught in US schools is based on the latest historical evidence. Although this was my first time hearing about dropping the m.
Same! My latin teacher talks like that too
I live in Rome and they teach us a latin called "scolastic latin" that basically has italian pronunciation and the only thing that you have to look out for when reading is "ae", "oe", "ti+vocal" which are dittongs and are pronounved differently
Same!
There were probably so many different dialects, accents, local variations and differing levels of education on Latin back then that probably people from different parts of the empire spoke “Latin” but probably couldn’t understand each other completely
Yup! That's how we got Italian, Spanish, Sicillian, Portuguese and all the other Romance languages eventually...from big daddy Latin.
no.
@@samaraisntFrench is Big Daddy. No language or culture could ever compare to French.
@@moisepicard9701the whole world used to belong to France but they felt bad for the other people so they gave away their land because France is a friendly country
This is exactly what I'm being taught in school for pronunciation
He's giggling like a girl when the dude is actually speaking it
Like when he gets massages 💆♂️ lol
How do you know that “he” doesn’t identify as a girl ?? Don’t be a TRANSPHOBE
Wet
exactly lmao 😭😭😭
Its bad ass.
this is literally how it’s taught in schools. we aren’t taught ecclesiastical latin lol
If you’re lucky. Too many schools still teach the outdated pronunciation rules where Caesar is KAY-sar and “veni” is “VEH-nee”.
@@magicmulder they're different pronunciations and both makes sense
The restored Roman pronunciation (the one the video talks about) was used before the first century AD
The ecclesiastical pronunciation is closer to Latin spoken during the first century and a bit after that, though not much due to the language changes, making the pronunciation different from how it was written
@@tuluppampam This isn't correct in the slightest. Real Romans literally never used the ecclesiastical pronunciation, they used the local vernacular (vulgar Latin) as the spoken language, and classical Latin as the written language (this is known as a diglossia). Spoken Ecclesiastical pronunciation wasn't a thing until 9th century CE and didn't gain traction in the entirety of Europe for another couple centuries after.
just not true innit….idk where you’re from but i took latin for 2 years in school and it was ecclesiastical latin
@@magicmulder how else would you pronounce "veni"??
My high school latin teacher taught us that in college the correct pronunciation is however your professor says it is
Ecclesiastical Latin as in used by Christianity is different and that’s common knowledge. He sounded amazing. Omgosh
Is there a longer, more indepth video about this???? SO interesting! I need a full, normal speed video!
Metatron, Polymathy (linked in the description), Scorpio Martianus, etc. all cover the Latin language far more in-depth.
there is a search bar on your youtube app, or on the browser
also, magic word
@@looptimelapse …
@@zombiebeast8521 "please"
Search up “Pronouncing “Caesar” wrong… ?!” Its the same guy in this video explaining how to pronounce it
wait this is literally just how my latin teacher teaches us
Except this doesn’t take into account the multiple accents that people who spoke Latin would have spoke in.
@@Lilhaggis747 which makes the people who "know" how it was spoken are full of 💩
@@Lilhaggis747 Because that's the standard pronunciation of educated people in Rome at that time. However, we know about different accents too, because Romans wrote about them. For example, we know that short "i" was pronounced as [e] by many people in rural areas.
We tend to use that standard pronunciation of Classical Latin, which doesn't mean that there were no other accents.
"Ave, true to Caesar"
I guess the Legion was remaining true to the original Romans and speaking Latin the way a true Roman Legion would.
Damn
Hey a fallout new Vegas fan I'm guessing bc iw as looking for a comment like this
@@stjiub2201 And youre an Elder Scrolls fan Im guessing, from the name.
@@kurtcobainii1075 ofc n'wah and you?
@@stjiub2201 Looked up what N'wah meant. Now Im slightly offended. Well then
@@kurtcobainii1075 it's a greeting to you outsiders lol. I think you'll love elder scrolls at least your not the Argonian or khajit. They are the slave part of the n'wah word, well it could mean anyone really don't matter what race in morrowind every race but dunmer get racism well even foreigner dunmer get hate lol.
All I remember is, “Bestiarius salutat” 😂😂
POV: You thought you had the speed set on 1.25x, but it was actually normal and he just sped the video up
I hate it
i did actually have the speed on 1.25
I just came here to get knowledge and be informed, but stayed for the rant
Probably in order to fit the video as a short.
I actually prefer this speed. I do it for TH-cam and Netflix. I wish there was an option where it stays like that forever. I’m glad I don’t have to manually do it for this shorts.
What you talking about that’s exactly how I was taught Latin in high school.
It's also exactly how ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced. How do I know? I am Catholic and my entire mass is said in Latin every sacrament I receive is in Latin this dude has no clue what he's talking a out.
@@deusvult6920
Yes, but isn’t how priests now pronounce it quite different from how it sounded so long ago?
yeah same, our teacher never let us get away with “church latin”
@@deusvult6920 bro seriously said “how do I know he’s wrong? Im a CATHOLIC”🤣🤣🤣
@@Murdershewrote99 lol so silly
it is so cool to know that i'm lucky enough to have a latin tutor who knows the language well enough that he teaches it to us this way
Yeah idk what this guy was in about, it’s standard to teach classical Latin in secular settings and institutions
idk about y'all but here in italy at the very first latin class in highschool our teacher taught us the differences between ecclesiastic pronunciation (the one used by priests) and classic pronunciation (the one mentioned in this video as "real").
at least in USA latin is rarely taught so IDK where he got commonly
@@I_AM_HYDRAA I took Latin in middle school in the US
not sure how common it is though.
Same in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
My sister took Latin in HS in the 2000s in NJ.
As they should! Both versions have their own merits but like, idk why he thinks it would be ecclesiastical in non-religiously affiliated public schools which would have a focus on classical texts😭
Me, who played Fallout NV: *"Ave, true to Caesar!"*
Only we NV players know the real way to say it. I never says “see-zer”, but I didn’t know about the Cicero was kick-err-oh.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you want to wish for a nuclear winter
Ave Julius Gaius Caesar!
True to Caesar!
My conquest of the Mojave will be a glorious triumph, marking the transition of the Legion from a basically nomadic tribe to a genuine empire. Just as my namesake campaigned in Gaul before he crossed the Rubicon, so have I campaigned, and will cross the Colorado.
"widely taught in highschool" guess he lives in an alternate reality...
I swear this guy could live anywhere at any time period…
I was about to say “this sounds like a video for Luke from Polymathy” and bingo there he is at the end. Bravo.
Mate, your youtube account is blasphemous.
@@tradcatholicloyaltorome727 did you just use "blasphemous" unironically?
@@tradcatholicloyaltorome727 hahhahahahaa his username is great omg
The way he speaks so fast makes my head hurt
Edit: so many people taking this serious lmao
It's sped up. Probably to make the video shorter, and to not be "boring" but yeah I'd rather have it at normal speed.
Me too. Anxiety up with this one.
Its sped up so it can fit the shorts criteria
So he's not on a whole bag of coffee?
I’m used to this speed, I always watch TH-cam videos on 2x or 3x videos from other TH-camrs lol
I love the Pompeii graffiti. It's worth the read. Make you chuckle and make you mad and then make you sad.
The classical pronunciation was the one we were taught in my English grammar school in the late 1950s.
The fact is, however, that only the upper classes actually spoke classical Latin. Most of the plebs spoke Koine Greek.
I‘m from Germany and we were always told in Latin class, that the most blatant German pronunciation would come the closest to the way it was actually spoken back then. For most of us that was a welcome change to English class 😅
Same here, but were were also taught in history class that the caesar kaiser thingy was not concidentially. The german Kaiser became the protector of the holy Rome, and could only become crowned to Kaiser by the holy pope... Mostly always present in Rome... :-) A Ceaser Kaiser connection is apparent.
Stimmt😅
@@tomtom34b It's not just a connection it's the actual root of it. Like a lot of stuff it's directly from Latin.
@Iwan Kazlow: also the root of Czar.
@@salyluz6535 how did a word from italy travel all the way to russia?
In Germany we don’t call caeser
‘Kaiser’, ‘Kaiser’ is a title similar to a king, BUT it comes from the name caeser
Honestly it definitely has to do something with the Roman Empire because at some point germany uses to be the Holy Roman Empire which did include parts of Italy
And isn't kaiser just the german word for emperor?
@@danolix Yes, and most people in Germany don't say “Caesar” with a K.
One point you're forgetting is that the 'v' and 'u' were both written as 'v' in Classical Latin.
bald guy so wholesome. sounds like from age of empires 2 🇵🇱♥️
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Make it an actual video, with explanations, origins of these errors and the evolution of this mistaking, what it actually sound like with quotes, etc
Not a short ! You know your community is curious and eager to learn more ^^
To be fair, there are a LOT of videos that go much more in depth than this. The guy at the end, Luke (Polýmathy and ScorpiusMartianus on TH-cam) has 2 channels completely dedicated to that.
This video is centered more on showing this fact to people whi have never heard it!
Could it have been done better? Yes, but still, I think it fits its purpose.
@@deithlan Thanks for the feedback, I'll look into these ;D
Why would he make an entire video when his entire premise is wrong? This is exactly how you learn Latin in school. This is exactly how priests pronounce it. I know the former because my school had Latin. I know the latter because I am an actual Catholic that attends a mass said entirely in Latin, every sacrament I receive is Latin. The dude clearly has no clue what he's talking about and I can't believe so many fools just go along with it
@@deusvult6920 you have learnt Ecclesiastical Latin. Ecclesiastical Latin, while it is Latin, is not Classical Latin. It is not the Latin that Caesar and Cicero spoke, it is however the Latin that the Catholic Church speaks.
“Ecclesiastical Latin” is a variety of Latin with the same grammar as Classical Latin (from which it descends), but with a different pronunciation.
There are actually many kinds of Ecclesiastical Latin, all dependant on the country it is spoken. There is French Latin, German Latin, English Latin, Italian Latin... But the only one that prevailed until this day is the latter, because, well, the Vatican is in Italy after all. That is also why Ecclesiastical Latin sounds so similar to modern Italian, because it essentially is Latin spoken using Italian sounds. That is why you pronounce «Veni, vidi, vici» as /vɛni vidi vitʃi/, because that’s how an Italian person would pronounce it.
We now have a pretty darn good understanding of what Classical Latin (from which Ecclesiastical Latin descends) actually sounded like. Especially thanks to historical linguistics, which analize the evolution of languages. You can see the same thing in some languages: the letter «w» is pronounced /w/ in English but /v/ in German. The evolution from /w/ to /v/ is EXTREMELY common in languages. Same thing happens with /k/ > /tʃ/ when near a fronted vowel like /i/. And, like English, we still have Romance languages today which pronounce «c» as /k/ in all contexts, etc. That is why we are almost entirely sure that «Veni, vidi, vici» was actually pronounced more like /wɛni widi wiki/.
Of course, this is not to dunk on Ecclesiastical Latin, it is still a very beautiful way of pronouncing the language, and I quite like how it sounds. But the fact that it is the version that the Church speaks doesn’t mean that it is the only version to ever exist.
Had a substitute growing up that spoke Latin. She was the sweetest little old lady and I can remember her being there from the start around 1st grade all the way through senior year of high school. Genuinely one of the kindest people I’ve met. She would always have a late word or phrase up on the board to taxi us a little. I wish I would of understood a bit more back then how neat it would be to remember these
That’s exactly what my own Latin teacher sounded like at school.
My HS Latin teacher taught us the correct way 25 years ago. I am unable to sing Christmas songs with the wrong pronunciation ever since. Great vid.
Ah yes, all those Christmas songs in Ancient Latin 🤦♂️
@@isrulius Gaudete is a pretty popular Christmas song in latin. Admittedly probably the only one that's in latin that's well known and we can thank Steeleye Span for that.
There is no “correct” pronunciation of Latin. Classical Latin evolved into Romance languages. Each country had a convention on how to pronounce Latin. Ecclesiastical Latin is somewhat of a modern fiction - it’s the pronunciation of Latin as used in Rome (so very close to Italian). But the Roman Catholic Church did not standardize Latin pronunciation until Pius X recommended that all Catholic liturgy use the Roman pronunciation in 1912. But it never fully caught on - German-speaking countries have their own ecclesiastical pronunciation still in use.
@@virilitas tell that to my Latin teacher
The hymn "Angels We Have Heard on High" is annoying to me for the same reasons. "Chelsis".
Wait wait wait.... Caesar's Legion.... This whole time, New Vegas was correct?!
LMAO you never thought of the comparisons? 😂
Yes, as part of the game they had 2 history experts they asked Betheada to hire for them to get certain things accurate to place in the game. They also hired them to help with certain details in the Wolfenstein games too. There's your fun fact lol
Always has been
That was, in itself, the joke.
no they still mispronounce frumentarii
I speak Latin fluently, and teach it to my religion’s highest congregation. Absolutely right you are!
I learned Latin with this exact type of pronunciation. I don’t see how this is a revelation.
Same
Yeah, being german, having had Latin in school: I actually knew this...🤓
The latin speaking guy sounded like he as a german dialect.
@@_the_ No shit he is American, the pronunciation is similar to German
@@fanaticofmetal That's what I was saying.
Sure kraut.
@@fanaticofmetal no it really isnt
Wanting to do a video that lasts less than a minute doesn't mean speeding it up until it actually is 59 seconds long.
It does work
Blame TH-cam.
So happy there's a long version to this. I'm off to watch it 🛸
THANK YOU for this!! I learned classical Latin at 11-13 & I've been telling people this for YEARS. Ecclesiastical latin sounds to my ear as if someone overlaid an Italian accent & pronunciation rules onto Latin.
"Latin is taught widely in American schools" since when did they start that again? Pretty sure they stopped years ago
Barely teach English ffs. 🥶
They have Latin classes as a language arts elective in my high school in New Jersey
I took it as my foreign language credit and I know that had a cartamen team that competed with other schools so /shrug
Are u serious? You can find latin classes in most established universities in the US
@@SydneyScream bold of you to assume most of us can afford college these days
Proud to say I took 7 years of Latin from 6th grade to senior year. The Latin conventions were so memorable and really fun
Really? Cool, what made them so memorable and fun?
that guy actually makes really good latin vids that my magister uses
Dude, you are the most consummate language investigator I have ever seen. Awesome!
The study of Latin has enjoyed a massive resurgence in the last 15 years. Mostly thanks to it's revival in the USA. In Italy it's teaching never really stopped in the public schools.
I'm curious if they teach the more "Italianized" pronunciation or do they teach it how they're discussing the pronunciation in this video?
@@MrAdryan1603 in Italy it's nearly ALWAYS done in 17th century Italian Jesuit pronunciation (standard 20th century ecclesiastical pronunciation) regardless of whether it's a state or ecclesiastical school. In the USA it is normally a function of how secular or Church-affiliated the school/teacher is.
@@jstantongood5474 Huh. Fascinating... Thanks for educating me, Cheers!
It's only really taught in certain high schools (licei) in Italy. It had a massive resurgence in all schools during the fascist period under Mussolini, because he fancied himself as some sort of Roman emperor.
@MeChupaUnHuevon this is purely based on personal experience, but I'd say about 25%
Ave, true to Caesar
there is talk of a sequel
Listening to you i realise what a fantastic latin teacher i've had in ...79 bc.
Me writing "Dro Wuz heeree" in graffiti. Mfs in the future "hey this must be how they spoke and sounded" 😂
Come on man, the truth is that nobody has any conclusive evidence on how Latin was actually pronounced in the ancient world. Best chance is that it differed greatly across its expansive empire and lengthy existence.
Incorrect, there are historic Latin records of writers being “Latin Grammar Nazis” showing superiority over others that weren’t “Proper” i.e. Vulgar Latin. He even gives credit in the video.
“I’m about to spend 20 minutes talking about it, and 3 seconds showing it”
And in an obnoxious manner
@@playrasputin3457no shit its sped up
My name is what?
there's a whole video of a chat between xiaomanyc and the cancer survivor guy lil black man
Watch a full video, if you’re too lazy, skip to the part where he speaks Latin
My first language is spanish, I speak english and a little bit of german.
It's incredibly intresting how I understood very well the guy.
More than knowing what he said, it made sense.
It’s Confirmed Boys, Pompeii did Spell
“Though” like “Tho”
Every decent teacher will teach you to speak it like this lol
He sounded like my teachers. Had a friend who had never studied it try to argue the other side of this with me, as in we don’t know what Latin sounds like, lol.
Sadly not all teachers are decent. Some still think C is pronounced like a S and V being a V.
Yea, this is like the first thing you learn in Latin class
@@user-ug5xr2gb6j I researched this a few years ago cause the confidence of people was pissing me off, and everyone pretty much cites one Latin man for the whole argument and nothing else. It may be correct but last I checked we truly don't know
@@TBDF12 Sure, they probably had dialects like anybody else, and it changed some as the empire waxed and waned. But this is what has become a consensus within the academic community, and is supported by research and evidence, until further evidence comes along. technically, we don’t know what any human being beyond about 150 years ago sounded like. And some of the first ones that we have on record for the first recordings would only be a small sample of the population not the average of the population. And also voice recording was super distorted until what like the 60s or 70s at best. Think about whenever you get here like Winston Churchill’s speeches or how the stereotype of a detective from that era would speak. People didn’t talk like that in the 30s and 40s, it was how primitive our technology was for Converting speech from a physical aspect to an electronic one. Also, because of how primitive our microphone technology was, I was watching something where it was talking about how Hollywood actually developed its own accent in early film with sound because there were certain sounds that the microphone had a much harder time picking up, and so they changed how things were pronounced in order to get recorded. Linguistics is a pretty interesting subject.
Bro he sped it up to make it a short that's genius
My Latin teacher taught us the classical Latin pronunciation. She always said “No need to church it up in here” 😂
Latin is so cool i really don't regret leaning a bit in school. As a french guy i'm so interested by how similar it is
You should come to South-Africa. You should then learn the language: "Afrikaans".
I would really love to hear you speak my language.
Xhosa
My dad is from South Africa. When he gets mad, he mixes his words. I would love to hear it to.
It came from Dutch.
@@ZzzZ-sb9ju Dus?
Ek praat nie Afrikaans nie, Jammer
It was distressing to discover that "veni, vidi, vici" was (is) pronounced more like "wenny, weedy, weeky".
Latin's a totally dorky language!
*sigh*
wenny, weedy, weeky
Did you know Gaius Julius Caesar was originally written like this CAIVS VVLIVS CAESAR and pronounced guy-use you-lee-use kai-sahr?
@@christianstainazfischer Just blatant German pronunciation and it fits like a glove. Yeah, Germans just breaking language copyrights and saying Latin the right way :)
@@iwankazlow2268 true true, but most Americans don't actually know how to read the Latinscript phonetically like Germans do
That's pretty much how it's pronounced *now* (and ever so much more lyrical), but this video describes how ordinary folks used Latin back in the day. A good YT explanation is "What Latin Sounded Like - and how we know".
Italians now pronounce c as ch. For example center, is written centro, but pronounced chentro...
This makes WAY more sense to me now, I never fully understood why Latin is so different sounding from all the other Latin derived languages which I grew up around, hearing it correctly, I can hear the similarities to French German Italian and English (less so), thanks!
I love that the Latin in the Traditional Latin Mass is pronounced as if speaking Italian, it feels at home to me
Posthumus reconstruction of a language by scholars who never heard it but swear it sounds like that X An unbroken line of priests that dates to the Roman Empire speaking the language? I'll pick the second one.
@@betinivinicius and what is the second one?
@@TheMCNanno ecclesiastical Latin, the one spoken by the Catholic Church through their traditional priests
@@betinivinicius That’s both one, ignoring history, and second, not true. Ecclesiastical Latin emerged as a ‘standard’ because the actually ‘Latin’ spoken across the empire or it’s former territories was no longer actually Latin. They were all just older forms of modern Romance languages, even if the speakers thought it was still Latin. This meant there was no consistency between churches, so it was given an artificial standard that has been maintained, and as such is no longer even close to the modern Romance languages.
TLDR; ACTUAL Romans gave detailed descriptions of the sounds of their language, and ecclesiastical Latin is an artificial standard, that has proven useful in rebuilding the language.
we need Xiaoma vs Luke polýMATHY
Vs? This chipmunk would get schooled.
Did you just.....
How in the world Xiaomanyc can even be compared with Luke in the realm of Latin.
Dude even walked and talked to people in Rome, with Latin. He speaks better Latin than the priest in Vatican lmao
@@tuahsakato17You know, I comment that for your "results" unless you can't see the sarcasm
Who's Xiaoma?
Hey, kid! What are you sitting on? SLOOOOOWWWWW DOOOOWWWWWWNNNNNNN!
I feel like the C was actually pronounced more like a "ch" almost, like how "chimaera" eventually became "ky-mara." And thats how it happened!
stop with the 1,5 speed bro😂
“I’m going to show you what Latin sounds like by speaking English so fast you can’t tell what I’m saying…”
I am not a native english speaker and I understood everything perfectly
He spoke slowely...
I mean he has to fit lots of info into short form content like this
These videos are so interesting but I so wish you would make them full length because the speeded up narration gives me a headache 😵💫
This is literally the pronunciation I was taught in high school.
This is how I was taught Latin. My teacher spent most of her life in Europe, loved history, and spoke several European languages. She hated when people mispronounced words
Man sounds like “My name is Giovanni Giorgio. But my friends call me JoJo”
GioGio
Was literally just talking to one of my students about this today - she was avoiding taking her test, but hey, it’s still educational! We also have the appendix probi detailing common misspellings which indicated how certain letters were similarly pronounced and often misheard.
I enjoyed the description.of how we know. But woukd have appreciated hearing more than 2 sec of spoken classical latin
Ben Shapiro: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary
It’s like Philip Defranco and him had a baby
Caesar is literally what made the word “Emperor” in various Languages, like Kaiser in German and other Germanic languages
German rings quite like hermano, any coincidence or? 🤔
Awww, I was about to make that Kaiser / Caesar comment. But big ups to you for getting it in the video! Many don't! 🥰
Speeding up a video for Shorts, without an outro... I LOL'D when it looped!
"Ah!"
"True to Caesar!"
I definitely learned all of this in my high school Latin class tho
ah, it's the guy who speaks Latin to Italian
It’s funny how I’m seeing this. I started my Latin unit in my school today and we actually reacted to the guy at the end.
i was taught this pronunciation (soft v, hard c) when studying latin in high school and college. One of my favorite examples is "veni, vidi, vici" which sounds a LOT worse with the correct pronunciation ;) weenie weedy weeki!
"Ave, true to Caesar"
Bro, your channel is very addicting.
I've been learning from language to language and stumbled across this video
Been from learning Italian (bc I am a bit), French, Spanish, Russian, Romanian, Greek etc.. so now I'm learning Latin and some of the basics are kinda easy once you get the hang of it but still a hard language in general.
I have noticed similarities in the language and it sounds similar or is the same in other language
For example: Habes, which I think means I have, sounds like Spanish - correct me if I am wrong
Som, which means I am, sounds like sunt, which is I am in Romanian. You get the gist tho, there's some words you can pick up here and there but some words r completely different from those in med / romance languages
While I may understand the interest in "Restituta", I prefer the Ecclesiastic version of the language.
I mean, my 2 biggest reasons may be selfish (" It's the Latin I studied for 5 years" and " It's similar not only in writing, but also in spelling to my mothertongue -italian-"), but, still ... :D
Have a nice day.
Ecclesiastical Latin sounds prettier too. I prefer it as well, and it's how I read it too. And yes, it is way more similar to Italian (my native language is Spanish).
I see it's sped up for TikTok, but you can't slow it down to normal for TH-cam? It's spastic, bro.
If he slows it down, it wouldn’t fit TH-cam Shorts, and thus many many people wouldn’t have seen this video.
It's sped up for yt shorts, tiktok allows up to 10 minutes now
That guy at the end just sounds like a very solemn Italian dude, lol
OK, Im really impressed. I learned Latin on my own, using Wheelock's Latin. You are 100% correct, and I appreciate you doing this... ab imo pectore!
This shit is exactly how I would personify ADHD…