Dear Barrie. Having overheard your podcasts whilst my petrol head husband listens and agrees with your regular rants, I feel you are missing a trick. You should be calling your series “Straight Outta Crampton” ps. My parents live in Leyland, so we understand on many levels 😂😂😂. Kind regards BusyLisi
@@BarrieCrampton made us laugh too. My husband says he hopes theres enough dinosaur juice left in the world so his Land Rover will see him out. Ive strayed to a Volvo hybrid but having family in Scotland on a 500 mile round trip would make it an annual pilgrimage in an ev. Mind you him indoors thinks its missionary work there anyway. Keep up the good work
As an ex-employee of MG Rover, I'm feeling for Jaguar employees, because I know what's coming. I'm not just concerned for them, I'm blooming angry for them, and at the idiots in charge of the company. This re-brand thing was a disaster, and there was absolutely no need for it.
You have to remember they are part of LR. Jag is probably less than 25% the value of JLR over recent years. Jag have nothing to loose and a lot to gain IF they get it right (I know I know)
disagree; EVs can be cheap. i've an eqa and charge it with my solar or overnight. like all vehicles let some other person take the initial depreciation hit. bingo. OH has a diesel it's like going back to the stone age
@@AEG_UK2020 Cheap to charge at home yes.. But how much to charge away from home? And the big one... Tell us how much it's depreciated then tell us how cheap it is to run. Diesel is stone age? Can the EQA cover 600 miles between charges then recharge in 5 minutes and do another 600 miles? Electric sounds like pre stone age.
@ who drives 1200 miles? That’s a silly question.. the depreciation on mine is very good. Like I said the difference is between the diesel and EV is huge. That’s my experience so your comment isn’t valid
I'm afraid Jaguar is over thanks to it's D.E.I initiative. Jaguar needs an miracle. In my mind Jaguar means V12, V8 and Straight Six and I don't mind 6 and 4 cylinder diesel engine. I tell you something funny Barrie, BYD which is apparently Tesla's main rivals are starting to make Plug in hybrid e.g. part combustion. So what's that saying about the so called EV only future, it's absolutely hilarious. I would never own an Chinese car whether it's EV or combustion. Keep up the good work Barrie👍🏻
BYD is making plugin hybrids solely because they avoid the extra EU tariffs. It's stupidity, but it's EU stupidity. It's also Chinese engineering: Whatever you think of we will get a load of bright young graduates straight out of university and fix it in no time.
@nsweeney3970 Car engines maybe, but Weichai Diesel engine manufacturing is in my view world leading and they even make MAN medium speed Diesels for the Germans.
It's amazing that you can buy one of these cars that's 2/3 years old with delivery mileage, just been sat for all that time. Would have been unheard of for *anything* a few years back.
They are also selling off 'new' ones second hand, see my earlier post, I bought an MY24 I Pace in early September last year with a discount of £36,000. It hadn't even been registered at the time I enquired about it, and was registered to the garage the day before I collected it and was registered in my name on the day of collection.
@jim373 Like the headline comment says, "Some cars are two years old or older? ".. just like they are selling Apple Macs, which have been on the shelf .. and the clock is ticking!
This is unsustainable and will be a firestorm that will affect every mass market manufacturer . And we all know where the blame lies , and those who have pushed the agenda will be jumping ship as the collapse takes hold . Shame on those responsible for this ridiculous situation , but of course they will be long gone by the time the fallout takes it’s toll 😢
They are either idiots or they've been green washed by the climate hoax. Let's face it. Most people are foolish enough to believe co2 is a problem. Even our stupid politicians are changing government policies due to the nonsense and bankrupting us with needless, unreliable renewable energy
A fully restored standard milkfloat goes for about £18000-£23000. How much would a milkfloat with three times the range, 0-62 in 8 seconds, heated front seats, driver assist and Android Auto cost?
@@EbenBransomeOn the basis that it’s unsuitable for delivering milk, has got limited utility and it is a risky proposition as a car, I’d say a lot, lot less!
@ overstating again. Whereas, i'd say a person who cannot work with the vehicle wouldn't buy one Interesting that some do 300 miles.. so.. that isn't many
@AEG_UK2020 No thanks. I'm used to being able to drive long distances without worrying about whether I'll actually get there. I couldn't be bothered with the range anxiety and having to plan where to stop and waste time to charge a car.
Got to love Jaguar. Not many businesses burn their brand to the ground as a pure gamble. I'd much rather be a layer than a backer on this transformation succeeding.
I'm not sure they did any. I'm getting the vibe that the current 'brand manager' was discriminated against for his life choices at a Jaguar showroom back in the day, and this is his revenge.
Barry, I have never seen you so unhappy.great show on jaguar ipace cars. If you cannot understand what is going on nobody can, believe me. What a mess. Thanks as usual for keeping us all aware of such possible deception practices
As an owner of an XF-S sportbrake (ex Jaguar management car - bought at one year old) it saddens me to see what is happening to this brand and the way that they are treating their customers. Not that I have any intention of selling (I've owned it for five years and still love it), but who in their right mind would want to buy my car when they are virtually giving new ones away in what seems like a desperate bid to get money? It also suggests that JLR are either losing a packet on each car or that they can build them for a lot less than they would have us believe. Neither approach bodes well for the longevity of the brand. They'll need something superlative in the coming years to recover from this mess - it seems like Rover all over again.
Hi John me and my son bought a 97 plate Corolla for 400 quid with 12 months mot and 130000 miles on the clock we ran it for 3 and half years and did a further 93000 miles in it B4 it sadly required too much spending on it for the mot...... However we got 130 back in scrap fees talk about cheap motoring...
So they've been dumped on the market at over £30k below original list. Now with 169 of them available, anyone that thinks they're a bargain is deluding themselves. Their value will continue to plummet until they're cheap enough to take a punt on - which is a long way from where they are now. It won't end well for JLR
Jaguar had to buy back a lot of their own EVs due to battery failures and fire risk. Surely, that will have an impact on the market, however much delusion it is all based on!
In short, Tata was known for its reasonable quality trucks in India (I once found myself by accident being interviewed for a job by a junior Tata family member on an Indian internal flight - I was unaffordable due to the weakness of the rupee.) They tried to move upmarket by buying JLR. The culture shock between things that can be fixed by a man with a charcoal furnace and an anvil stuck in the ground under a shade tree (and those are good mechanics, I'm not mocking them) and trying to make SUVs must have been horrendous. And then for a rather small company to make EVs, something VW rather screwed up at, Toyota pretended wasn't happening, and which has been most successful in the middle market occupied by Tesla, Hyundai, MG/SAIC and so on...did they really understand what they were getting into? I wouldn't touch an electric Jaguar because I know it would be paying for Tata's learning curve and not getting the value back. Same with Porsche. Same with early iPhones where the mugs were paying Apple for R&D to drive BlackBerry and Nokia out of business, only to have Android take 90% of the world market. (Rant over).
Just one small correction. Tata are an absolutely huge company with a turn over last year of 165 billion dollars. They make every kind of vehicle from truck and buses to Cars. There current car range includes 21 models including 6 ev's with another 8 models in the pipeline. They sold a total 969,300 vehicles last year. So not really a small company and I think your a little off describing them as fixing cars under a tree with an anvil. You might find a local mechanic, in a remote village working in that way but that image of India is dated and rather insulting
@ Yes, I was exaggerating a little for effect. I'm not anti-Indian (better not be or my Indian relatives might object) and I know that India acheives a great deal these days. However, in vehicle terms Tata is not big. Your numbers are out of date, I think that they are up to about 1.4-1.5 million. But compare that to BMW and Mercedes(2.4 million each), which also have a much higher ASP for cars. And both BMW and Mercedes have to collaborate with other companies, like Renault. Or compare with Suzuki (who do manufacture in India) at over 3 million. Suzuki have had the sense not to try to develop a "luxury" brand, Tata tried to buy one. I think they made a big mistake, and do not have the resources to fix the reliability problems at Land Rover or the new model problems at Jaguar.
EVen if they reach carbon neutral after 20K miles, they definitely not still be on the road 20 years from now. When an ICE car can still be running great at that age.
@@EbenBransomeMany ICE cars may be scrapped (typically the Juke, Puma, Astra, Fiesta and other economy/value models), but those that are worth keeping can go on for decades without any major works, whereas EVs have a battery that WILL fail, whether you want to use the car or not. It’s not a choice, it’s a necessity to scrap them or spend a fortune on a new/refurbished battery.
Some people may remember the Blair Governments 'New car supply order 2000' aimed at bringing UK prices into line with Europe, which it did but consequently created a domino effect on used prices and the cost to change in many cases actually increased. However, none of us in the industry at the time ever envisaged that that another government would repeat this, except they have, but for vehicles that have far less demand than supply.....
To be carbon neutral at any mileage it has to be charged off home solar always, even then it won't be 100% neutral because of all the parts that wear out. Carbon neutral is only possible if you were never born, everything you do puts out carbon.
I'm wondering if its possible that jaguars parent company Tata is in with the WEF. They do not want private car ownership and Tata may have stepped up to put jaguar as the sacrificial lamb, killing other car manufacturers in the process. China could take the market by storm for a while, but I reckon they would pull out of the game if they had a chance at controlling the world.
I know a little bit about the grid that supplies our elecy... Not enough, but a bit. What it comes down to is that you need to be able to prove what generator(s) provided the Kw to charge an EV battery. There needs to be an empirical study that shows how ev's are charged over the past 5 years... It can be done, I'm sure. It'd put to bed the arguments for and against, but I don't think there's the collective intelligence to do it, or perhaps the knowledge it shouldn't be done because it exposes the possibility that an EV puts out more CO2 via the generator (power station )charging it than an ice car. An example. It's a windy day, and wind farms are providing 60%+ demand. Great. I live in Oxfordshire. Didcot B power station is gas. Depending on gird demand, I could feasibly be using some renewable electricity from wind farms anywhere off-shore from the North East, South East, North West. I'm sure the grid is dynamic enough to move power from any generator to any grid supply point (to prevent power outages, in the main). But my point being is that my proximity to a gas power station might mean I'm almost always taking electricity from a gas power station. Because if the grid is 60% wind and 40% the rest (typically 20% gas), we've still got a lot of gas online. And given the fact you want to minimise how far you move electricity around the country on the grid - because it's expensive - it might mean I'm nearly always getting my power from a gas power station. Same can be said if you are in the vicinity of a carbon free generator - wind, nuclear, solar, hydro. I that case it's all good, and you will settle the carbon debt in a year or two, But if you do the sums, the following plays out: Gas - there are two types of Gas power stations. OCGT (Open Cycle Gas Turbine), CCGT (Closed Cycle Gas Turbine) Biomass (anything from incinerators that burn all the stuff you are told to recycle, to pellet powered power stations - Drax being the key player): And some power stations are both OCGT and CCGT, the reasoning is that OCGT's are faster to spin up and provide power than CCGT's, so if you want to provide both dispatchable power (instant), and baseload (constant), you have both options.... OCGT cheaper, quicker, dirtier - CCGT more expensive, slower to spool up, cleaner) OCGT - never pays back. Burning 1kg of LnG yields about 12.8 Kw. With the efficiency of an OCGT power station (around 40%), that gives 5.2Kw to your home, less a bit for transmission. Then you have factor in the loss of power converting the AC current back into DC to charge the battery, plus a bit of loss on the various sub-systems making sure the thing doesn't blow up. But most of it is through heat. You're left with around 3.8Kw of power in the battery from 12.78Kw LNG can store 1Kg of diesel (about 1.25Litres) will get your average modern diesel around 12 miles... Go and do the sums and see how far
Well said. I've long argued that EXTRA load on the system charging EVs is effectively supported by prevailing last ditch top up beyond nuclear and renewables, meaning CCGT at best and OCGT plus extreme case Diesel support. All before the looming great heat pump disaster and widespread EV uptake unfolds.
Your calcs are very wrong. Vast majority of EV charging is overnight using spare capacity from windmills. EV is about 80% efficient from source to wheels. ICE 30% at best without accounting for shipping and refining of fuel.
JLR having to buy back 2760 IPACE's ( 2019 model) - maybe if they crash the 2nd hand prices the buy back will cost them less.. buy back due to battery fire risk -
This is just Jaguar getting rid of their last stock. The iPace is an old car now. When it was new it was a nice car, but not a great EV. It never got a proper facelift, so now it's just outdated and i'm not surprised they have to pretty much give them away.
You say that but Porsche are having a similar issue though with 30 pre reg Macan EVs listed and 21 Taycans already for 2025 on AT. The rest are a handful of petrol 911 & boxsters etc. The moment the 911s etc get even the slightest discount applied people will snap their arms off for them. The EVs will need massive discounts and still they will struggle to sell. The Macan is a brand new model too not an old one like the ipace.
I know power tools suffer if their batteries are not charged and discharged regularly . If they aren’t used for a long time, the batteries degrade and don’t hold their charge as well and discharge much quicker .
In general they should be fine if left at half charge or so. In the case of the iPace the batteries have a very poor reputation, so not cycling them is probably the best thing you can do...
That’s a comparison with a new ICE car, however, a new EV car will never break even against an older ICE car. It’s always going to be much greener to hang onto your old ICE.
I have an F Pace SVR and I must say it's a fantastic vehicle, but with the new Jaguars going to be way over £100k starting price for their new EV by the end of the decade Jaguar will be gone and personally I think that's really sad.
Lot of more discount than that. Many delivery mileage only at half price. When the government mandates a percentage must be electric, and the demand is not there, this is what happens. As Charlie Munger said 'If you have dumb incentives, you will get dumb results.' It is also not a very good car. Big on the outside, small on the inside, and very inefficient. Takes a 90kwh battery to give the range others get on a 68kwh. Test drive a couple of years ago- very glad I did not buy!
Are you an employer? Any of your employees run an EV? I'd be very weary about their mental state! When the penny drops and they realise what a huge mistake they have made! Probably had the arm spear too! But then if you made them take it!!!
Even with those low prices, why not wait to see if they drop even further. Don't forget the resale value is matched with reduced prices. I personally think, everyone who wanted an EV has now bought one, I can't see any enthusiasm for a resurgence of popularity however cheap they end up being.
Those of us who have got one are likely to keep it till the next gen with the LFP or solid state batteries. Most people don't want oversized road hogs, but that's what has been on offer.
Thanks for another great insight video Barrie. As a result, I today cancelled the RR Sport, and put a deposit down on the discounted Jaguar ipace sport. First dip into the ev market but £30k discount was just too tempting to ignore.
My smug neighbour has recently bought one of these jaguars with his own money it makes me smile i mean you couldn't pick a worse time to buy one of these, I'm sticking to my 20+ yr old diesels.
There is a JLR storage facility at Stone in Staffordshire just off the A34 absolutely brimming with unsold i paces. You see transporter loads of Land Rovers / Defenders and Range Rovers coming out, but no Jags.
I rang a dealer today and enquired about a pre reg ipace with 100 miles on clock £38k..They kindly offered me £5k less on my car than carwow.... obviously trying to recoup what they are discounting...
Bargain of the century at the moment while Jag abandons its past. Picked up a 74 plate delivery mileage IPace HSE with Pan Roof for £35k at the weekend. At these prices you would be mad not to. I do run an EV as a daily and have done for two years and they are perfect for my needs. Doesn't mean I am an EV evangelist though as I have a TVR and a Lotus (Elise not Electre to be clear :) ) as play things. But for moving the kids, dog around, school run, super market shopping etc an EV is hard to beat if you can charge at home, And right now you can have an Ipace for VW ID4 money
It's true. At that price it's a very good value car. Though as someone who works in battery research, including post-mortem disassembly of seriously degraded cells, i would recommend to be careful with charging on the iPace. Their reputation is well-earned in this respect - iPace batteries can look very ugly inside after a few years. So i would recommend against fast charging too much, especially beyond 80%.
I am similar, bought an 18 month old ipace Jag branch managers car 7000 miles, 2 Years warranty, free home charger , 2 years breakdown cover for £32500. I'm happy to take my chances at that level.
It says on my laptop "add a comment" and I just don't know what to say about what I've heard. I think it's commercial suicide what is happening, how are we going to get out of this mess or is it too late? I did 44yrs in the motor trade before retiring but if I still had my own motor business I lock it up and throw away the key.
The I-pace was a great EV when it was launched in 2018 and it won European and World car of the year awards in 2019. Unfortunately it’s not been updated since then and other EV’s have left it far behind. It’s also had big problems with battery fires which has not helped its reputation! The discounts reflect it’s true market value as production has now been discontinued. For what it’s worth this car was made in Austria and not the UK.
The price has been reduced because they know what a bad product the Ipace is. Endless battery fires. Reliability problems. And hopelessly inefficient. Also Jag promised over the air updates that never arrived. No informed EV buyer would pick a jag
Perhaps under the new 'management style', JLR can't stand the sight of the last of their 'normal' cars and want rid of them quick? They did wipe the Jaguar history part off their website weeks ago!
I'm Chinese and would like to buy the Jaguar badge so l can add it to my list of other great X British brand names like MG , LOTUS....we would like Aston Martin and BENTLEY so we can stick these amazing great brand names on our shite EV!s that can only sell in Europe with a historic brand name,
When drivers quite happily swallow 60%+ depreciation and £500+ a month in finance over 3-4 years Im at a loss why they bleat relentlessly how much they 'save' on fuel given the premium for an EV over ICE. If its capable of 40mpg the factor of fuel over average miles in the cost of ownership is tiny.
I have an EV and i love it, it works for us but I can see it may not be right for everyone. The depreciation on my car makes me cry but I still love the car. I agree that it is terrible for JLR to trash their prices like that.
I bought my second hand 74 plate I Pace HSE with a number of extras last September. It had a list price from new of a bit over £83,000, it had 16 miles on the clock, was first registered the day before it was registered in my name, and was obviously a new MY24 car, I paid just under £47,000. I had been considering a new Hyundai Kona or Kia EV3. As you say, why would I not swap my old I Pace for a new second hand I Pace. A nice benefit for me but absolute madness for the car industry.
If the stories are true that other you-tube sites are putting up about "thousands" of new, pre-registered Jaguars supposedly sitting unsold in fields and compounds, then I bet for every one of those 172 you mention here, there are another shed-load sitting behind each advert, waiting to be sold. This is serious.
The only thing you can hope for is when Jaguar go bust (as it will) That some private equity company will purchase the name, and hopefully relaunch Jaguar with a petrol engine, all be it it's possible only going to be in small low production run. Hopefully manufacturing can remain in the UK. Would not put it past Tata selling it to the Chinese, they have no scruples 😢
The iPace has simply not kept pace with the market. I'm a Jag fanboy, and i have an ev (not a Jag) but there are loads of EVs that are much better than an iPace at 45k. I would pick a Kia Ev6 at list rather than an ipace for the same money.
Why would anyone buy an electric EV car when Rachael goes to China and tells the Chinese to dump all the Chinese EV mountain of cars on the UK ? Petrol cars are a better bet at the moment ?
Hi Bazz . As you know, it's probably the thousands of vehicles coming out of the fields and massive car parks where they have been parked up for a year or more. You know what they say .What goes around comes around.
Jaguar are not considering the residual market. They are just trying to shift all those cars they preregistered to satisfy the EV Mandate. Residuals are not something the manufacturer regards as their problem.
They don’t want us driving cars though do they. Eventually it will force many off the road , depreciation needs to be affordable otherwise financing vehicles will not be available to the majority.
Interesting video, before retiring I worked for Land Rover for 35 years 30 years of that I was also a union rep, can’t understand the discount/ price slashing, we couldn’t even get an employee car scheme with jaguar as all cars sold were for paying customers so we all drove Ford car instead 🫣 this before the EV disaster the government have imposed on us all
Right now in America Stellantis is rolling out the EV Dodge Charger. Most of them are ‘bricked’ due to bad software. Plus nobody wants them in the first place. The car market is all messed up due to this net zero fiasco.
The cost to produce these and the market selling price means a loss to Tata. How long will they continue to subsidize. The decision to go all electric, controversial ad campaign and the ambition to go 'super premium' spells the end. Maybe the factory will be saved by Chinese car makers taking over the facilities. There seems to be a deliberate built in redundancy in new cars that means trouble once factory warranty expires. I agree with you Barrie; the industry has never looked so bad.
This is a direct result of the EV mandate. The car manufacturers have to "sell" 22% in EVs (28% in 2025). They pre-register so they count as sold. This costs less than the government penalties.
I have an i-pace...I love it, but I did buy at 3 years old for £26k, so quite a car for that money. The price for these 'new' cars at about £40k is realistic really, as the minute you drive a £70k to £80k EV off the dealers forecourt, it's only worth £40k max if you tried to sell it the next day, and that held true well before these crazy Jaguar deals. If you can get one of these for £40k (and I'm thinking you may be able to haggle to below that even), then go for it. A hell of a car for that money...but only go for HSE spec! I would check the build date as well before signing the dotted line....try and get one built within 12 months, but don't worry too much if it's a couple of years old. Fast charging does more damage to batteries than sitting around doing nothing. Ask them to fully charge the car before a test drive, stick the air-con and radio on and drive around for a decent length test. Depths of Winter it should show maybe 220-240 miles range, and up to 260 in warm weather. If you see those figures, the battery is good. I'm seeing those numbers on mine at 4 years old / 45,000 miles.
The only reasons I can think of are.. Desperation to sell some cars. Sell more evs to reduces fines for not meeting the requirement of a 25% reduction emissions of their cars for this year.
The I-Pace is discontinued, this is probably the last batch produced in the (Austrian) factory. They were massively overpriced to start with. Sure they deserved a premium when they first came out in 2018/2019, but the competition has caught up now and they are not 70k cars when other manufacturers have similar for 45-50k.
Dear Barrie. Having overheard your podcasts whilst my petrol head husband listens and agrees with your regular rants, I feel you are missing a trick. You should be calling your series “Straight Outta Crampton” ps. My parents live in Leyland, so we understand on many levels 😂😂😂. Kind regards BusyLisi
Brilliant 😂
I’ve mentioned you in my latest video “Aftershave delivery for Gordon Bennet”
Straight Outta Crampton is a big hit, thanks again !!
@@BarrieCrampton made us laugh too. My husband says he hopes theres enough dinosaur juice left in the world so his Land Rover will see him out. Ive strayed to a Volvo hybrid but having family in Scotland on a 500 mile round trip would make it an annual pilgrimage in an ev. Mind you him indoors thinks its missionary work there anyway. Keep up the good work
@TrevArcher-o7y seriously thank you, it tickles me everytime I say it
As an ex-employee of MG Rover, I'm feeling for Jaguar employees, because I know what's coming. I'm not just concerned for them, I'm blooming angry for them, and at the idiots in charge of the company. This re-brand thing was a disaster, and there was absolutely no need for it.
Trying to attract a younger liberal customer.
You have to remember they are part of LR. Jag is probably less than 25% the value of JLR over recent years. Jag have nothing to loose and a lot to gain IF they get it right (I know I know)
Yes it’s stupid, I think they are sacrificing the brand
@@BarrieCramptonI think so too. But to sacrifice for what ultimate reward ??? More Land Rover sales. I don’t get it.
You are what Starmer calls far right
EVs were not introduced to work. They don't want us driving at all.
disagree; EVs can be cheap. i've an eqa and charge it with my solar or overnight. like all vehicles let some other person take the initial depreciation hit. bingo. OH has a diesel it's like going back to the stone age
@AEG_UK2020 You charge overnight with solar? That is some skill you have
@@timford4873 which shows you dont understand solar "systems" which isn't just panels.
@@AEG_UK2020 Cheap to charge at home yes.. But how much to charge away from home? And the big one... Tell us how much it's depreciated then tell us how cheap it is to run. Diesel is stone age? Can the EQA cover 600 miles between charges then recharge in 5 minutes and do another 600 miles? Electric sounds like pre stone age.
@ who drives 1200 miles? That’s a silly question.. the depreciation on mine is very good. Like I said the difference is between the diesel and EV is huge. That’s my experience so your comment isn’t valid
This is madness! Once upon a time car sales was all about making money... It can't continue like this, everyone is going to be bankrupt.
Yes they are
This is Sparta!
This is what happens when governments get involved in commerce!
That’s the plan. You’ll eat ze bugz und be happy! Problem viz dat? No driving, you vill own nozing!
@ComeJes❤😂🎉😊usChrist
Looks like jaGuar are having a closing down sale. Everything must go!
12 months to clear before new models out
Including the employees i fear.
Two for one soon.
By the way, don't forget that batteries age while sitting unused, so after 2 years the battery will have lost some life just sitting there.
research says otherwise next
I'm afraid Jaguar is over thanks to it's D.E.I initiative. Jaguar needs an miracle. In my mind Jaguar means V12, V8 and Straight Six and I don't mind 6 and 4 cylinder diesel engine. I tell you something funny Barrie, BYD which is apparently Tesla's main rivals are starting to make Plug in hybrid e.g. part combustion. So what's that saying about the so called EV only future, it's absolutely hilarious. I would never own an Chinese car whether it's EV or combustion. Keep up the good work Barrie👍🏻
DEI is about destroying society, however they can.
The Chinese have never, and never will be able to make a decent combustion engine. Wouldn't touch a Chinese hybrid with 200 barge poles
@@nsweeney3970 HAHAHA!! agreed👍
BYD is making plugin hybrids solely because they avoid the extra EU tariffs. It's stupidity, but it's EU stupidity. It's also Chinese engineering: Whatever you think of we will get a load of bright young graduates straight out of university and fix it in no time.
@nsweeney3970 Car engines maybe, but Weichai Diesel engine manufacturing is in my view world leading and they even make MAN medium speed Diesels for the Germans.
It's amazing that you can buy one of these cars that's 2/3 years old with delivery mileage, just been sat for all that time.
Would have been unheard of for *anything* a few years back.
That can't be good for the battery's
They are also selling off 'new' ones second hand, see my earlier post, I bought an MY24 I Pace in early September last year with a discount of £36,000. It hadn't even been registered at the time I enquired about it, and was registered to the garage the day before I collected it and was registered in my name on the day of collection.
Just like buying a 2022 Apple Mac!
@@Syptah47 How is buying an MY24 car in 2024 like buying a 2022 Apple Mac?
@jim373 Like the headline comment says, "Some cars are two years old or older? ".. just like they are selling Apple Macs, which have been on the shelf .. and the clock is ticking!
There is only one reason that you discount by that amount; they are desperate
This is unsustainable and will be a firestorm that will affect every mass market manufacturer . And we all know where the blame lies , and those who have pushed the agenda will be jumping ship as the collapse takes hold . Shame on those responsible for this ridiculous situation , but of course they will be long gone by the time the fallout takes it’s toll 😢
Why would anyone in their right mind buy an overpriced Milkfloat.
They are either idiots or they've been green washed by the climate hoax. Let's face it. Most people are foolish enough to believe co2 is a problem. Even our stupid politicians are changing government policies due to the nonsense and bankrupting us with needless, unreliable renewable energy
To make milkshake?
A fully restored standard milkfloat goes for about £18000-£23000. How much would a milkfloat with three times the range, 0-62 in 8 seconds, heated front seats, driver assist and Android Auto cost?
They wouldn't, and that's the problem for vehicle manufacturers. They're been mandated to produce large quantities of a product nobody wants to buy.
@@EbenBransomeOn the basis that it’s unsuitable for delivering milk, has got limited utility and it is a risky proposition as a car, I’d say a lot, lot less!
It's so sad to see a great car company fall so low. Really awful.
I never thought I'd look back at Jaguar's British Leyland days and think them idyllic in comparison, yet here we are.
When will it sink in that nobody wants the hassle of owning an EV?
nobody? overstating
@AEG_UK2020 Ok I'll rephrase that. No sensible person wants the hassle of owning an EV.
@ overstating again. Whereas, i'd say a person who cannot work with the vehicle wouldn't buy one Interesting that some do 300 miles.. so.. that isn't many
@AEG_UK2020 No thanks. I'm used to being able to drive long distances without worrying about whether I'll actually get there.
I couldn't be bothered with the range anxiety and having to plan where to stop and waste time to charge a car.
@ so stick to you
Got to love Jaguar. Not many businesses burn their brand to the ground as a pure gamble. I'd much rather be a layer than a backer on this transformation succeeding.
True
Jaguar is intentionally trying to destroy the entire company.
Doing a cracking job of it
Has to be it. No-one could be that stupid otherwise.
Big thumbs down to whoever is responsible for jaGuar's market research.
I'm not sure they did any. I'm getting the vibe that the current 'brand manager' was discriminated against for his life choices at a Jaguar showroom back in the day, and this is his revenge.
I once thought about buying a Jaguar until they rebranded as Faguar and since I'm not homosexual I went for a BMW instead.
❤😂😂🎉😊
I heard that homosexuals also drive BMWs
Holy shit matey, you'll be getting a visit from plod for that comment. True though.
Rumour has it there are another 10,000 ipace cars at 2 storage yards.
So sad, Jaguar used to be such a great company. The last thing I want is an EV.
All those pre registered EVs now turning up!
Barry, I have never seen you so unhappy.great show on jaguar ipace cars. If you cannot understand what is going on nobody can, believe me. What a mess. Thanks as usual for keeping us all aware of such possible deception practices
I’m very unhappy, there must be brown envelopes being dropped everywhere
As an owner of an XF-S sportbrake (ex Jaguar management car - bought at one year old) it saddens me to see what is happening to this brand and the way that they are treating their customers. Not that I have any intention of selling (I've owned it for five years and still love it), but who in their right mind would want to buy my car when they are virtually giving new ones away in what seems like a desperate bid to get money?
It also suggests that JLR are either losing a packet on each car or that they can build them for a lot less than they would have us believe. Neither approach bodes well for the longevity of the brand.
They'll need something superlative in the coming years to recover from this mess - it seems like Rover all over again.
theres gotta be somekinda supercrash coming round the corner.this is getting really bizarre.thank god i own a corolla
Hi John me and my son bought a 97 plate Corolla for 400 quid with 12 months mot and 130000 miles on the clock we ran it for 3 and half years and did a further 93000 miles in it B4 it sadly required too much spending on it for the mot...... However we got 130 back in scrap fees talk about cheap motoring...
So they've been dumped on the market at over £30k below original list. Now with 169 of them available, anyone that thinks they're a bargain is deluding themselves. Their value will continue to plummet until they're cheap enough to take a punt on - which is a long way from where they are now. It won't end well for JLR
They are causing themselves problems
Jaguar had to buy back a lot of their own EVs due to battery failures and fire risk. Surely, that will have an impact on the market, however much delusion it is all based on!
In short, Tata was known for its reasonable quality trucks in India (I once found myself by accident being interviewed for a job by a junior Tata family member on an Indian internal flight - I was unaffordable due to the weakness of the rupee.) They tried to move upmarket by buying JLR. The culture shock between things that can be fixed by a man with a charcoal furnace and an anvil stuck in the ground under a shade tree (and those are good mechanics, I'm not mocking them) and trying to make SUVs must have been horrendous. And then for a rather small company to make EVs, something VW rather screwed up at, Toyota pretended wasn't happening, and which has been most successful in the middle market occupied by Tesla, Hyundai, MG/SAIC and so on...did they really understand what they were getting into?
I wouldn't touch an electric Jaguar because I know it would be paying for Tata's learning curve and not getting the value back. Same with Porsche. Same with early iPhones where the mugs were paying Apple for R&D to drive BlackBerry and Nokia out of business, only to have Android take 90% of the world market. (Rant over).
Just one small correction. Tata are an absolutely huge company with a turn over last year of 165 billion dollars. They make every kind of vehicle from truck and buses to Cars. There current car range includes 21 models including 6 ev's with another 8 models in the pipeline. They sold a total 969,300 vehicles last year. So not really a small company and I think your a little off describing them as fixing cars under a tree with an anvil. You might find a local mechanic, in a remote village working in that way but that image of India is dated and rather insulting
@ Yes, I was exaggerating a little for effect. I'm not anti-Indian (better not be or my Indian relatives might object) and I know that India acheives a great deal these days.
However, in vehicle terms Tata is not big. Your numbers are out of date, I think that they are up to about 1.4-1.5 million. But compare that to BMW and Mercedes(2.4 million each), which also have a much higher ASP for cars. And both BMW and Mercedes have to collaborate with other companies, like Renault. Or compare with Suzuki (who do manufacture in India) at over 3 million.
Suzuki have had the sense not to try to develop a "luxury" brand, Tata tried to buy one. I think they made a big mistake, and do not have the resources to fix the reliability problems at Land Rover or the new model problems at Jaguar.
Seems like Jaguar and Ratners have something in common.
If you need a lease or loan to buy a car.
You cannot afford the car.
More than that- a car will now last 20 years- so why change it? You do not buy a new house every three years...
This what happens when a company goes woke. Nobody wants to buy your product.
It would seem so
❤💯 correct thanks 😊
didn't volvo do a study a couple of years ago, stating their ev was carbon neutral at 100k miles
Wow, absolutely mental. Jaguar have become a joke.
EVen if they reach carbon neutral after 20K miles, they definitely not still be on the road 20 years from now.
When an ICE car can still be running great at that age.
At this rate they'll still be in the classifieds in 20 years time.
Can be, but half of ICE cars are scrapped by 12 years.
@@EbenBransomeMany ICE cars may be scrapped (typically the Juke, Puma, Astra, Fiesta and other economy/value models), but those that are worth keeping can go on for decades without any major works, whereas EVs have a battery that WILL fail, whether you want to use the car or not. It’s not a choice, it’s a necessity to scrap them or spend a fortune on a new/refurbished battery.
Some people may remember the Blair Governments 'New car supply order 2000' aimed at bringing UK prices into line with Europe, which it did but consequently created a domino effect on used prices and the cost to change in many cases actually increased. However, none of us in the industry at the time ever envisaged that that another government would repeat this, except they have, but for vehicles that have far less demand than supply.....
We went to the cinema last night in Oxford and most of the adverts were for Electric cars , not an ICE car in sight as if they no longer exist !!
Same here on TH-cam.
It’s the same on the Internet too
The brainwashing continues...
As a Jag owner and previous lover of the brand I looked at the I Pace deals but wasn't tempted because the tech is too old
To be carbon neutral at any mileage it has to be charged off home solar always, even then it won't be 100% neutral because of all the parts that wear out. Carbon neutral is only possible if you were never born, everything you do puts out carbon.
the question is if jag fails, will F types crash in residuals? Wouldn't mind one of those.
Great explanation thank you
You are welcome
I'm wondering if its possible that jaguars parent company Tata is in with the WEF. They do not want private car ownership and Tata may have stepped up to put jaguar as the sacrificial lamb, killing other car manufacturers in the process. China could take the market by storm for a while, but I reckon they would pull out of the game if they had a chance at controlling the world.
I know a little bit about the grid that supplies our elecy... Not enough, but a bit. What it comes down to is that you need to be able to prove what generator(s) provided the Kw to charge an EV battery. There needs to be an empirical study that shows how ev's are charged over the past 5 years... It can be done, I'm sure. It'd put to bed the arguments for and against, but I don't think there's the collective intelligence to do it, or perhaps the knowledge it shouldn't be done because it exposes the possibility that an EV puts out more CO2 via the generator (power station )charging it than an ice car.
An example. It's a windy day, and wind farms are providing 60%+ demand. Great. I live in Oxfordshire. Didcot B power station is gas. Depending on gird demand, I could feasibly be using some renewable electricity from wind farms anywhere off-shore from the North East, South East, North West. I'm sure the grid is dynamic enough to move power from any generator to any grid supply point (to prevent power outages, in the main). But my point being is that my proximity to a gas power station might mean I'm almost always taking electricity from a gas power station. Because if the grid is 60% wind and 40% the rest (typically 20% gas), we've still got a lot of gas online. And given the fact you want to minimise how far you move electricity around the country on the grid - because it's expensive - it might mean I'm nearly always getting my power from a gas power station.
Same can be said if you are in the vicinity of a carbon free generator - wind, nuclear, solar, hydro. I that case it's all good, and you will settle the carbon debt in a year or two,
But if you do the sums, the following plays out:
Gas - there are two types of Gas power stations. OCGT (Open Cycle Gas Turbine), CCGT (Closed Cycle Gas Turbine)
Biomass (anything from incinerators that burn all the stuff you are told to recycle, to pellet powered power stations - Drax being the key player):
And some power stations are both OCGT and CCGT, the reasoning is that OCGT's are faster to spin up and provide power than CCGT's, so if you want to provide both dispatchable power (instant), and baseload (constant), you have both options.... OCGT cheaper, quicker, dirtier - CCGT more expensive, slower to spool up, cleaner)
OCGT - never pays back. Burning 1kg of LnG yields about 12.8 Kw. With the efficiency of an OCGT power station (around 40%), that gives 5.2Kw to your home, less a bit for transmission. Then you have factor in the loss of power converting the AC current back into DC to charge the battery, plus a bit of loss on the various sub-systems making sure the thing doesn't blow up. But most of it is through heat. You're left with around 3.8Kw of power in the battery from 12.78Kw LNG can store
1Kg of diesel (about 1.25Litres) will get your average modern diesel around 12 miles... Go and do the sums and see how far
Well said. I've long argued that EXTRA load on the system charging EVs is effectively supported by prevailing last ditch top up beyond nuclear and renewables, meaning CCGT at best and OCGT plus extreme case Diesel support. All before the looming great heat pump disaster and widespread EV uptake unfolds.
Thanks for that. 😊
Electricity windfarms themselves are a scam. They take more electricity out of the grid than they put in.
Your calcs are very wrong. Vast majority of EV charging is overnight using spare capacity from windmills.
EV is about 80% efficient from source to wheels. ICE 30% at best without accounting for shipping and refining of fuel.
@luketurnbull3712 What if the winds not blowing?
JLR having to buy back 2760 IPACE's ( 2019 model) - maybe if they crash the 2nd hand prices the buy back will cost them less.. buy back due to battery fire risk -
This is just Jaguar getting rid of their last stock. The iPace is an old car now. When it was new it was a nice car, but not a great EV. It never got a proper facelift, so now it's just outdated and i'm not surprised they have to pretty much give them away.
You say that but Porsche are having a similar issue though with 30 pre reg Macan EVs listed and 21 Taycans already for 2025 on AT. The rest are a handful of petrol 911 & boxsters etc.
The moment the 911s etc get even the slightest discount applied people will snap their arms off for them. The EVs will need massive discounts and still they will struggle to sell.
The Macan is a brand new model too not an old one like the ipace.
The iPaceMaker sure has plenty of folk clutching their chests!
How do the batteries fair with not being used for years?
I know power tools suffer if their batteries are not charged and discharged regularly . If they aren’t used for a long time, the batteries degrade and don’t hold their charge as well and discharge much quicker .
No intention of finding out!
@@brutter602 Plus, what about the guarantee on the batteries? Does it start on the day of sale or the day of registration years back?
@@michaelhutin5451 Probably from the date of manufacture.
In general they should be fine if left at half charge or so. In the case of the iPace the batteries have a very poor reputation, so not cycling them is probably the best thing you can do...
Volvo study stated that their cars had to do over 70k miles before it was carbon beneficial.
That’s a comparison with a new ICE car, however, a new EV car will never break even against an older ICE car. It’s always going to be much greener to hang onto your old ICE.
I have an F Pace SVR and I must say it's a fantastic vehicle, but with the new Jaguars going to be way over £100k starting price for their new EV by the end of the decade Jaguar will be gone and personally I think that's really sad.
I would not give a shilling for an electric or hybrid load of rubbish. I'll stick to my '65 JAG, yes a real one and not 'That thing'.
Lot of more discount than that. Many delivery mileage only at half price. When the government mandates a percentage must be electric, and the demand is not there, this is what happens. As Charlie Munger said 'If you have dumb incentives, you will get dumb results.'
It is also not a very good car. Big on the outside, small on the inside, and very inefficient. Takes a 90kwh battery to give the range others get on a 68kwh. Test drive a couple of years ago- very glad I did not buy!
I’ve had a couple, I loved them
Are you an employer? Any of your employees run an EV? I'd be very weary about their mental state! When the penny drops and they realise what a huge mistake they have made! Probably had the arm spear too! But then if you made them take it!!!
RIP JAGUAR 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦
Even with those low prices, why not wait to see if they drop even further. Don't forget the resale value is matched with reduced prices. I personally think, everyone who wanted an EV has now bought one, I can't see any enthusiasm for a resurgence of popularity however cheap they end up being.
Those of us who have got one are likely to keep it till the next gen with the LFP or solid state batteries. Most people don't want oversized road hogs, but that's what has been on offer.
An absolutely stinking reliability reputation does not help . Plus ,will Jaguar even exist soon ?
Thanks for another great insight video Barrie. As a result, I today cancelled the RR Sport, and put a deposit down on the discounted Jaguar ipace sport. First dip into the ev market but £30k discount was just too tempting to ignore.
Enjoy, I’ve had 2 they are great
Visited a Kia Dealership today they were advertising a new EV Sorento £78000 would you buy one if a 2025 I-pace for £44000 am I missing something ?
Yep Jaguar have just kippered everyone else up
Go woke ,,,GO BROKE !!!!!
What does woke mean?
Just watching a review on one now. They do look nice for sure.
They are, I’ve had 2, brilliant vehicles
My smug neighbour has recently bought one of these jaguars with his own money it makes me smile i mean you couldn't pick a worse time to buy one of these, I'm sticking to my 20+ yr old diesels.
Volvo did the study.
It's about 80,000 miles to carbon neutrality, and more depending on how the electricity is generated
There is a JLR storage facility at Stone in Staffordshire just off the A34 absolutely brimming with unsold i paces.
You see transporter loads of Land Rovers / Defenders and Range Rovers coming out, but no Jags.
I rang a dealer today and enquired about a pre reg ipace with 100 miles on clock £38k..They kindly offered me £5k less on my car than carwow.... obviously trying to recoup what they are discounting...
Bargain of the century at the moment while Jag abandons its past. Picked up a 74 plate delivery mileage IPace HSE with Pan Roof for £35k at the weekend. At these prices you would be mad not to. I do run an EV as a daily and have done for two years and they are perfect for my needs. Doesn't mean I am an EV evangelist though as I have a TVR and a Lotus (Elise not Electre to be clear :) ) as play things. But for moving the kids, dog around, school run, super market shopping etc an EV is hard to beat if you can charge at home, And right now you can have an Ipace for VW ID4 money
It's true. At that price it's a very good value car. Though as someone who works in battery research, including post-mortem disassembly of seriously degraded cells, i would recommend to be careful with charging on the iPace. Their reputation is well-earned in this respect - iPace batteries can look very ugly inside after a few years. So i would recommend against fast charging too much, especially beyond 80%.
Yep
I am similar, bought an 18 month old ipace Jag branch managers car 7000 miles, 2 Years warranty, free home charger , 2 years breakdown cover for £32500.
I'm happy to take my chances at that level.
It's almost as if people don't want EVs
Isn’t it?
It says on my laptop "add a comment" and I just don't know what to say about what I've heard. I think it's commercial suicide what is happening, how are we going to get out of this mess or is it too late? I did 44yrs in the motor trade before retiring but if I still had my own motor business I lock it up and throw away the key.
Not just JaGuar. It's UK de-industrialisation policy.
JaGuar is over, a corpse of a brand.
The I-pace was a great EV when it was launched in 2018 and it won European and World car of the year awards in 2019. Unfortunately it’s not been updated since then and other EV’s have left it far behind. It’s also had big problems with battery fires which has not helped its reputation! The discounts reflect it’s true market value as production has now been discontinued. For what it’s worth this car was made in Austria and not the UK.
Built by the same company that makes the g wagon
The price has been reduced because they know what a bad product the Ipace is. Endless battery fires. Reliability problems. And hopelessly inefficient. Also Jag promised over the air updates that never arrived. No informed EV buyer would pick a jag
Perhaps under the new 'management style', JLR can't stand the sight of the last of their 'normal' cars and want rid of them quick? They did wipe the Jaguar history part off their website weeks ago!
I'm Chinese and would like to buy the Jaguar badge so l can add it to my list of other great X British brand names like MG , LOTUS....we would like Aston Martin and BENTLEY so we can stick these amazing great brand names on our shite EV!s that can only sell in Europe with a historic brand name,
So at these heavily discounted prices, and accepting all the caveats with EVs, is an I-pace a good car to buy ?
It's okay. I'm sure if they were baby pink and blue, they would sell like hot cakes!
When drivers quite happily swallow 60%+ depreciation and £500+ a month in finance over 3-4 years Im at a loss why they bleat relentlessly how much they 'save' on fuel given the premium for an EV over ICE.
If its capable of 40mpg the factor of fuel over average miles in the cost of ownership is tiny.
I have an EV and i love it, it works for us but I can see it may not be right for everyone. The depreciation on my car makes me cry but I still love the car. I agree that it is terrible for JLR to trash their prices like that.
9:39 IT’S CLEARLY A FIRE SALE BARRY. Just wait until next month and it’s BOGOF.
I bought my second hand 74 plate I Pace HSE with a number of extras last September. It had a list price from new of a bit over £83,000, it had 16 miles on the clock, was first registered the day before it was registered in my name, and was obviously a new MY24 car, I paid just under £47,000.
I had been considering a new Hyundai Kona or Kia EV3. As you say, why would I not swap my old I Pace for a new second hand I Pace.
A nice benefit for me but absolute madness for the car industry.
Now over 50% off! With 100 miles on the clock.
One study said 180K miles before an EV is "green".....
If the stories are true that other you-tube sites are putting up about "thousands" of new, pre-registered Jaguars supposedly sitting unsold in fields and compounds, then I bet for every one of those 172 you mention here, there are another shed-load sitting behind each advert, waiting to be sold.
This is serious.
Yep, pre reg delivery mileage
Mercedes EQCs were coming out of the woodwork for months and months
900 tycans on Autotrader
And 27 electric Rolls Royce worth over £9million!
Is Tata trying to clear stock before announcing Jaguar is dead?
Jaguar are having to sell these cars at half price because nobody wants them, they are selling these cars with unsustainable discounts.
The Tata accountants will likely have written the Jaguar stock down to zero in their books, so anything they can get for them is a bonus.
Hi Barrie, what if anything do you think lowering EV residual values may do to non-EV residuals?
What is lease cost on I Pace? Assume it is (has to be) megabucks?
I'm an ex Volvo car salesman. My opinion is that this pushing of BEVs will wreck the car industry.
I’d be concerned that when you need warranty work, the dealer would say “what do you expect for the price you paid?”
Yep true
I have your answer; Because Jaguar went woke. Which means they’ll be going broke.
The only thing you can hope for is when Jaguar go bust (as it will) That some private equity company will purchase the name, and hopefully relaunch Jaguar with a petrol engine, all be it it's possible only going to be in small low production run. Hopefully manufacturing can remain in the UK. Would not put it past Tata selling it to the Chinese, they have no scruples 😢
I hope you're right, but after the false hope that was the Phoenix Four at Rover, I'm not so sure. Love to be wrong though.
The iPace has simply not kept pace with the market. I'm a Jag fanboy, and i have an ev (not a Jag) but there are loads of EVs that are much better than an iPace at 45k. I would pick a Kia Ev6 at list rather than an ipace for the same money.
thanks
Why would anyone buy an electric EV car when Rachael goes to China and tells the Chinese to dump all the Chinese EV mountain of cars on the UK ?
Petrol cars are a better bet at the moment ?
Hi Bazz .
As you know, it's probably the thousands of vehicles coming out of the fields and massive car parks where they have been parked up for a year or more.
You know what they say .What goes around comes around.
Jaguar are not considering the residual market. They are just trying to shift all those cars they preregistered to satisfy the EV Mandate. Residuals are not something the manufacturer regards as their problem.
They don’t want us driving cars though do they. Eventually it will force many off the road , depreciation needs to be affordable otherwise financing vehicles will not be available to the majority.
Interesting video, before retiring I worked for Land Rover for 35 years 30 years of that I was also a union rep, can’t understand the discount/ price slashing, we couldn’t even get an employee car scheme with jaguar as all cars sold were for paying customers so we all drove Ford car instead 🫣 this before the EV disaster the government have imposed on us all
Right now in America Stellantis is rolling out the EV Dodge Charger. Most of them are ‘bricked’ due to bad software. Plus nobody wants them in the first place.
The car market is all messed up due to this net zero fiasco.
The cost to produce these and the market selling price means a loss to Tata. How long will they continue to subsidize.
The decision to go all electric, controversial ad campaign and the ambition to go 'super premium' spells the end.
Maybe the factory will be saved by Chinese car makers taking over the facilities.
There seems to be a deliberate built in redundancy in new cars that means trouble once factory warranty expires.
I agree with you Barrie; the industry has never looked so bad.
Buying a Jaguar is simply sacrificing your salary!
😂
This is a direct result of the EV mandate. The car manufacturers have to "sell" 22% in EVs (28% in 2025). They pre-register so they count as sold. This costs less than the government penalties.
Yep stupid
I have an i-pace...I love it, but I did buy at 3 years old for £26k, so quite a car for that money.
The price for these 'new' cars at about £40k is realistic really, as the minute you drive a £70k to £80k EV off the dealers forecourt, it's only worth £40k max if you tried to sell it the next day, and that held true well before these crazy Jaguar deals.
If you can get one of these for £40k (and I'm thinking you may be able to haggle to below that even), then go for it. A hell of a car for that money...but only go for HSE spec!
I would check the build date as well before signing the dotted line....try and get one built within 12 months, but don't worry too much if it's a couple of years old. Fast charging does more damage to batteries than sitting around doing nothing.
Ask them to fully charge the car before a test drive, stick the air-con and radio on and drive around for a decent length test. Depths of Winter it should show maybe 220-240 miles range, and up to 260 in warm weather. If you see those figures, the battery is good. I'm seeing those numbers on mine at 4 years old / 45,000 miles.
The only reasons I can think of are..
Desperation to sell some cars.
Sell more evs to reduces fines for not meeting the requirement of a 25% reduction emissions of their cars for this year.
How much have they been overcharging literally 😂😂😂
It seems that Jaguar are having to buy back 2500 ipace, due to battery issues.😮
Cheer up mate
Looks like a fire sale to me. What would be in my head would be, if I buy one of those jags how much have I lost as I drive off the forecourt.
You have to wonder
The I-Pace is discontinued, this is probably the last batch produced in the (Austrian) factory.
They were massively overpriced to start with. Sure they deserved a premium when they first came out in 2018/2019, but the competition has caught up now and they are not 70k cars when other manufacturers have similar for 45-50k.
They are at under £39K now.