I ran a Head-rig like that for 15 years, I really miss it . 56'' bottom saw 38'' top saw .I would have appreciated those two edger saws , and my rig was left hand feed ,log turner and infeed deck on the right . Thanks for the memories .
Impressive sawing. I no longer encounter sawing techniques like this. But everything is operated automatically in one line. Good job, keep up this impressive technique 👍👍👍
I have logged in the field and worked almost every machine in a sawmill. I really appreciate it. The smells, the beauty of the wood. If I were still able to I would still be working with it.
Seems some people forget that the lumber cut here will go thru more steps before being finished. Its rough sawn lumber like this. I love the blade cut marks in the wood comparde to bandsaw cutting.
Thank you! Good followers and people that truly understand the industry leave good comments like this! And I’ve always thought the same about the sawmarks!! Bandsaw marks are generic. And every one of those 4/4 boards is going to get finished out at 13/16’s inches. I’m glad you understand that.
That was kinda cool. Sawed and edged in one pass so no extra handling at the edger. Thumbs up and I'm going to go schedule a couple more vids at yer channel.
Thank you!! And I wasn’t trying to make it seem like that was actual speed. But this one is speed up so viewers don’t get bored! It apparently worked. But if you go back on the channel, you’ll see plenty normal speed!
White oak is Supreme wood. Good for lining the bed of say an old Ford or Chevy truck. Imagine a custom home built from white oak 4x4's. Far too costly.
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❤I think it would be be great if you could shoot a Video from the front or the side where you load the timber logs so we can see the electric motors for the horizontal blades cutting the rims of the planks, many of our friends here do not understand how it works ❓
Oh I assure my guide pins are always correctly aligned and I keep my teeth filed straight across. Where the bottom of the saw enters is correct. But our motor is larger than a typical saw. And due to the increased rpms, it likes to lean in a little bit when the saw is buried. If my feed rate was quicker it would do it even worse. I’ll make a video on it some time. But when you see cuts that don’t look aligned with the bottom and tops saws, it’s not about alignment. When you catch them running together under different circumstances, the alignments are different all the time. The saws behave differently with different species, widths, lengths, which end of the log is facing the saw when it’s put on, etc.
Yes I understand what your saying about the saw wanting to cut in like that , What I meant was the cut pattern on the bottom saw looks very rough like a few of the saw teeth are mis aligned that is all . Hard to see from a video. It dose look like you have plenty of power . Years ago when I used to saw white oak all we had was a 401ci. Case diesel power unit with a 52`` saw ,it did good but you had to feed pretty slow with the old Lane mill. @@Helmsburgsawmill
I get what you're saying about the top /bottom saw alignment being difficult to get perfect. Always wondered why I see a step on wide lumber. Kind of seemed like it should have been planed out.
It got sent to the grade lumber outlet. They run every board through sanders and planers. When we do grade lumber, we just get the logs turned into boards. Now we have milling equipment for doing smaller projects
So it may appear that way! This is an older video. The saws are always aligned and shims are never used! However, when that bottom saw is sharp, the top of the blade leans inward. And the tip of the bottom saw is getting pushed out. This causes an overlap. However, you’ll find in the video I uploaded earlier on that big poplar, that over lap is barely noticeable;)
Love your videos. . It is fascinating to see both the vertical and horizontal blades cut a finished product in one pass. I noticed what looks like saw marks on the boards, is that typical of a vertical circular saw blade cut ? And is their some computer tech involved in adjusting the blades or is done manually ?
Yes the circular marks on the log and the boards are typical. As the teeth life go down the marks become less aggressive. As you could imagine, as you file a tooth, it gets narrower, and cuts less aggressively over the course of its life
I shave for log tension but that isn’t my reason in this case! Anytime I flip a log to another side I have to re-establish my cut. It’s all manual. This is an unconventionally large log, and normally I’m not flipping them that many times. Usually I never come back to a side
I would sir but unfortunately I can only do flat cut. I can’t quarter the logs because the edger box won’t allow the clearance. However I can tell you flat cut has a different grain compared to quarter sawn
Correct! It came from the heart of Brown County Indiana. That was a top log. We sold the first 25’ of it to a veneer buyer. Brown County Indiana grows some of the best White Oak in the world
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The guide pins are set where they should be. The adjustment doesn’t help with the top of the saw. And if it’s sharp, the teeth grab and pull the top of the saw deeper into the log. If I would’ve went faster, it would’ve been even worse. You can’t really avoid it with exceptionally big logs
Thanks for sharing! Why do you sometimes stop the log during sawing and move it backwards? As a week-end woodworker i've always heard not to do this on my table saw for safety reasons. No safety issue or risk of damage on your hardware ? I guess nope and i'm curious to hear from you 😊
This company should spend some bucks and invest in a scanner, computer and computerized setworks. then the backstand will always zero out with better grade recovery. I worked in sawmills in British Columbia all my working life and it's amazing what technology can do.
Ya that’s what I thought. Sawing soft woods is a completely different thing vs sawing hardwoods. Ask anyone who’s sawn big white oak, how a bandmill does😂
Go read some of my comments about saw alignment. You see this comment on a lot of sawmill videos with too saws. It’s has nothing to do with saw alignment.
All that effort to make the return go like hell, then you throw the time you gained away by talking shim after shim ? Your setworks can't be that sloppy
Go check out my cabin if you think it makes a terrible finish😂 And also I’m assuming your ignorant to the fact that every board we sell as grade lumber, goes through a refining process🤣🤣 The ones who watch my channel know that’s not finished
Thank you!! And I only kept flipping it because it was so big. As cool as it is to make big wide boards, I’d much prefer to flip it a couple of times so my outer boards can be smaller
Stress comes out of the log as it is opened up and the cant changes shape , the skim cut is to square up the cant so the boards are all close to the same thickness .
Thank you fellas! We’ve been in business for over 50 years😂 not by making TH-cam videos haha. Both of your responses are completely accurate! Also. The tension releases you’re speaking of is even greater on the longer stuff! And if I have a block made, and for some reason I have to shut everything off and fire back up with an incomplete log, even if I don’t see a shift, I’ll still re shave it. And not even consider listening to any uniformed comments. Feel free to respectfully counter act any un-educated comments fellas. It’s hard to explain it to every person
And yes! I’m trying to take the best boards from each side to get a better grade! It’s no secret this is a lower quality log. It’s just large. The first 25’ of this tree was sold to a veneer buyer
@@Helmsburgsawmill why ? I know how a mill works ... this is meant for a diferent result .... that log would be much happyer with a classic bamd saw mill . Like for example M. Cremona ...
It's so impressive, I won't get tired of watching it over and over again
I don’t know what’s more impressive the log flipper or that horizontal laser guided gang head. Amazing! Thanks for sharing!
The backbone of any industrial operation - these heavy-duty machines excel.
Sawing a 34-inch diameter log from start to finish is an impressive feat that truly showcases the power and precision of modern sawing techniques!
You should watch some of my more recent uploads!
Awesome. Never a seen a mill that cuts and edges at the same time. Thanks for sharing!
No problem!! Thank you for commenting!
Very impressive and fast with the two vertical and two horizontal saw blades well done, thank you for shearing ❤
No waste of wood on this setup.👍
Did you not see how much was wasted every time he flipped the log?
Being a wood carver, watching this video was almost like a lullaby...Wood is peaceful
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Awesome job👍👍👍
I ran a Head-rig like that for 15 years, I really miss it . 56'' bottom saw 38'' top saw .I would have appreciated those two edger saws , and my rig was left hand feed ,log turner and infeed deck on the right . Thanks for the memories .
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that's a brilliant set-up
Impressive sawing. I no longer encounter sawing techniques like this. But everything is operated automatically in one line. Good job, keep up this impressive technique 👍👍👍
Thank you! I appreciate that
thank you i find these videos so interesting and in a funny way soothing seeing this in real life is on my lifetime bucket list 👍👍
Come to Helmsburg Indiana and watch in person!
I have logged in the field and worked almost every machine in a sawmill. I really appreciate it. The smells, the beauty of the wood. If I were still able to I would still be working with it.
I’m 28, and it’s the only thing I’ve ever done. There’s something different about the work that other people could never understand
Seems some people forget that the lumber cut here will go thru more steps before being finished. Its rough sawn lumber like this. I love the blade cut marks in the wood comparde to bandsaw cutting.
Thank you! Good followers and people that truly understand the industry leave good comments like this! And I’ve always thought the same about the sawmarks!! Bandsaw marks are generic. And every one of those 4/4 boards is going to get finished out at 13/16’s inches. I’m glad you understand that.
That was kinda cool. Sawed and edged in one pass so no extra handling at the edger. Thumbs up and I'm going to go schedule a couple more vids at yer channel.
Man o man that mill is fast...Great video!
Thank you!! And I wasn’t trying to make it seem like that was actual speed. But this one is speed up so viewers don’t get bored! It apparently worked. But if you go back on the channel, you’ll see plenty normal speed!
White oak is Supreme wood. Good for lining the bed of say an old Ford or Chevy truck. Imagine a custom home built from white oak 4x4's. Far too costly.
Awesome log, love the vertical edger.
Beautiful log, my friend. I love watching it. Keep save and have a blessed day 🥰🥰🥰
Four Blades! Thats impressing..
Outstanding video!
hi there nice sawmill , good sawing john
Great job of sawing
Impressive machinery!
Amazing 4 blades!
Good work men.
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Awesome!!
Nice rig. Nice to see a sawyer who can cut for grade. Don't see very much of that on TH-cam. Some pretty nice boards from a big ugly. 👌
A lot of people commenting don’t even realize this is a big ugly😂
Outstanding!
Thank you!! I’m going to upload a wide variety of content!
Nice sawing
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I like that you have many options on that mill
Very nice saw
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❤I think it would be be great if you could shoot a Video from the front or the side where you load the timber logs so we can see the electric motors for the horizontal blades cutting the rims of the planks, many of our friends here do not understand how it works ❓
Nice👍👍👍
I need one of this machine desperately
Top saw edger all in one fast production no edger no resaw
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Nice job. looks like tooth alignment maybe , irregular saw pattern on that bottom saw.
Oh I assure my guide pins are always correctly aligned and I keep my teeth filed straight across. Where the bottom of the saw enters is correct. But our motor is larger than a typical saw. And due to the increased rpms, it likes to lean in a little bit when the saw is buried. If my feed rate was quicker it would do it even worse. I’ll make a video on it some time. But when you see cuts that don’t look aligned with the bottom and tops saws, it’s not about alignment. When you catch them running together under different circumstances, the alignments are different all the time. The saws behave differently with different species, widths, lengths, which end of the log is facing the saw when it’s put on, etc.
Yes I understand what your saying about the saw wanting to cut in like that , What I meant was the cut pattern on the bottom saw looks very rough like a few of the saw teeth are mis aligned that is all . Hard to see from a video. It dose look like you have plenty of power . Years ago when I used to saw white oak all we had was a 401ci. Case diesel power unit with a 52`` saw ,it did good but you had to feed pretty slow with the old Lane mill. @@Helmsburgsawmill
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Really impressive. How much was that piece of timber worth, how much is it likely to fetch when sold?
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I dream of having a saw like this someday
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I get what you're saying about the top /bottom saw alignment being difficult to get perfect. Always wondered why I see a step on wide lumber. Kind of seemed like it should have been planed out.
It got sent to the grade lumber outlet. They run every board through sanders and planers. When we do grade lumber, we just get the logs turned into boards. Now we have milling equipment for doing smaller projects
Cool video love watching you I noticed on this video the Topsaw is not aligned with the bottom. Do you use shims to line that up?
So it may appear that way! This is an older video. The saws are always aligned and shims are never used! However, when that bottom saw is sharp, the top of the blade leans inward. And the tip of the bottom saw is getting pushed out. This causes an overlap. However, you’ll find in the video I uploaded earlier on that big poplar, that over lap is barely noticeable;)
Love your videos. . It is fascinating to see both the vertical and horizontal blades cut a finished product in one pass. I noticed what looks like saw marks on the boards, is that typical of a vertical circular saw blade cut ? And is their some computer tech involved in adjusting the blades or is done manually ?
Yes the circular marks on the log and the boards are typical. As the teeth life go down the marks become less aggressive. As you could imagine, as you file a tooth, it gets narrower, and cuts less aggressively over the course of its life
Tree(s): How dare are you!
Some of those slab off pieces dried for about 5 months will make some good cooking wood
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Love your videos! What kind of sawmill do you have? Thank you!
This is a Forrest All mill
Are you shaving to account for log tension/movement or it sitting imperfectly on the carriage?
I shave for log tension but that isn’t my reason in this case! Anytime I flip a log to another side I have to re-establish my cut. It’s all manual. This is an unconventionally large log, and normally I’m not flipping them that many times. Usually I never come back to a side
Big ole log stressing out I reckon.
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Big beautiful log that could have yielded some nice wide quarter saw boards🙄
Nah bud. That white oak wasn’t nice enough to make quarter sawn boards in these parts. That was a tip log
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A bit of history regarding the life of tree age methotrexate of harvesting transporting weathering eould have turned a good film into a great film.
what brand of mill you run dont see many with a top saw anymore
This is a Forest All mill
They don’t make them anymore
Could you do a video explaining the quarter sawn process?
I would sir but unfortunately I can only do flat cut. I can’t quarter the logs because the edger box won’t allow the clearance. However I can tell you flat cut has a different grain compared to quarter sawn
How bout this? I get enough subs, and I can get enough viewership. I can see about getting a little quarter sawn mill made
Or a big one🤷
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What is name of this sawmill? it looks really good!
The Helmsburg Sawmill! Please subscribe to the channel. We’re located in central Indiana and sell our lumber and material to the public.
sawed my Landoll trailer floor!
And how long ago? It could have been gramps who sawed it.
How’s it holding up?!
where did the tree come from, old growth forest?
Correct! It came from the heart of Brown County Indiana. That was a top log. We sold the first 25’ of it to a veneer buyer. Brown County Indiana grows some of the best White Oak in the world
those logs look naked, do you run them through a debarker?
We sure do! I don’t see how people can stand sawing logs that still have the bark
At least for production sake
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Proses penggergajian yang luar biasaa🎉🎉🎉
Why must you shave it, after each time you flip it?
Hey bud. Go watch my recent upload!
It will answer your question
@@HelmsburgsawmillI just did. I understand now, thanks.
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This looks like a great setup for optimizing yields! My mother was born in Brown county and I have family in Lawrence county.
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The Horizontal saws badly need adjustment ... cutting too deep?
The guide pins are set where they should be. The adjustment doesn’t help with the top of the saw. And if it’s sharp, the teeth grab and pull the top of the saw deeper into the log. If I would’ve went faster, it would’ve been even worse. You can’t really avoid it with exceptionally big logs
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They unfortunately don’t make them anymore
until the log is square they waste a lot of wood, hope they put those pieces in a chipper and making wood pellets or something useful
It's not waste, its required to get boards from lumber.
While getting it square they are cutting planks off of the sides when they can.
Did you rock the bottom saw ? My goodness that is a rough cut . Going to take a lot of planer or sander work to smooth those boards
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Why is it chattering on the wood so much. Lots of ripples in the cuts.
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great to some one milling some real logs!! keep it up,AAA
Thank you!! I’ll saw any log that can get loaded onto that carriage!
Thanks for sharing! Why do you sometimes stop the log during sawing and move it backwards? As a week-end woodworker i've always heard not to do this on my table saw for safety reasons. No safety issue or risk of damage on your hardware ? I guess nope and i'm curious to hear from you 😊
To rough of cut for me
Looks like someone took a ax and hacked it
@@Cutting-with-Paul an axe vs a axe
Lol ... thats the important think for you . Its not my first language. But yes ...have some dislikes in return .
This company should spend some bucks and invest in a scanner, computer and computerized setworks. then the backstand will always zero out with better grade recovery. I worked in sawmills in British Columbia all my working life and it's amazing what technology can do.
Big white oak in British Columbia?
In British Columbia grade recovery comes from Douglas Fir, Hemlock and western Red Cedar.
Ya that’s what I thought. Sawing soft woods is a completely different thing vs sawing hardwoods. Ask anyone who’s sawn big white oak, how a bandmill does😂
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As to Initial comment - All that fancy computer stuff cost lots of money! You going to buy it for them? Thought not!
The alignment of the top saw to bottom saw looks way off
Go read some of my comments about saw alignment. You see this comment on a lot of sawmill videos with too saws. It’s has nothing to do with saw alignment.
All that effort to make the return go like hell, then you throw the time you gained away by talking shim after shim ? Your setworks can't be that sloppy
A lot of dollars down the hole with that rig
Man get someone in to fix your bottom saw . That's a terrible finish
Go check out my cabin if you think it makes a terrible finish😂
And also I’m assuming your ignorant to the fact that every board we sell as grade lumber, goes through a refining process🤣🤣 The ones who watch my channel know that’s not finished
If you did your math correct you wouldn't need to shave it
Yes, but sometimes it helps to re index and true the cut. He's "cutting to grade". That's why all the flipping.
Thank you!! And I only kept flipping it because it was so big. As cool as it is to make big wide boards, I’d much prefer to flip it a couple of times so my outer boards can be smaller
Stress comes out of the log as it is opened up and the cant changes shape , the skim cut is to square up the cant so the boards are all close to the same thickness .
Thank you fellas! We’ve been in business for over 50 years😂 not by making TH-cam videos haha. Both of your responses are completely accurate! Also. The tension releases you’re speaking of is even greater on the longer stuff! And if I have a block made, and for some reason I have to shut everything off and fire back up with an incomplete log, even if I don’t see a shift, I’ll still re shave it. And not even consider listening to any uniformed comments. Feel free to respectfully counter act any un-educated comments fellas. It’s hard to explain it to every person
And yes! I’m trying to take the best boards from each side to get a better grade! It’s no secret this is a lower quality log. It’s just large. The first 25’ of this tree was sold to a veneer buyer
To much waste ... cut is not precise
Go read the other comments
@@Helmsburgsawmill why ? I know how a mill works ... this is meant for a diferent result .... that log would be much happyer with a classic bamd saw mill . Like for example M. Cremona ...
@@Cutting-with-Paul happier vs happyer