You have told me more about that Victron Quatro than majority of the videos or reviews I have watched. Thank you very much. I have finally decided solidly on my choice for power now. The whole system is super efficient, intelligent, and robust. Great work.
Thank you Travis - We continue to be very happy with the Victron Quattro - it is the heart of our system and continues to do exactly what it was made to do. We don't think twice about running up to 4 air conditioners on it as well as power tools from any of the outlets.
Woohoo! Let there be POWER! Just so you know, while out camping you’ll be a busy man showing others your handy work. People can’t help themselves when it comes to well thought-out and designed RV systems. Looking forward to the next building adventure!
Great explanation of the system most people don't put the research in that you have taken the time to share so thank you for that. I'm not to that point yet but I really appreciate this video. Keep up the good work hope to see you on the road someday Happy trails.
Your switch is actually only rated at 300amp. With a 400 amp fuse "protecting" your circuit, you will fry your switch and potentially start a fire before your fuse blows. Blue Sea makes a 600amp version of that switch. It's grey in color.
I am really amazed at how well you guys research everything...you are well ahead of the curve versus most RVers. You have created a really good system...I would duplicate most of your design if I can ever get a bus/RV to live in.
Thank you Gregory - We always say about doing the conversion ourselves: "Well if something falls apart or stops working at least we will know where to start looking - and who to yell at :)". Thanks for following along and for the positive encouragement.
Another Victron success story! Juice? What kind of juice? Orange, pineapple or grape? We got yelled at in school for calling it that. LOL Sounds better than Coulomb if you ask me. Looking good sir!
Very nicely done. I'm wondering how noisy the fans are in this unit. I have a Casita Travel Trailer and I would like to put this unit under the bed. The unit may be overkill for the travel trailer power needs, but my plans are to also use it at my home base as well.
Ours is in a bay under the bus so we literally never hear it. We work ours pretty hard and I have opened the door to hear the fan when we are pulling 4000+ Watts. There is some noise but the fan is fairly large so it is not a high pitched sound. We have been VERY pleased with this Inverter and would not hesitate to recommend it at all. We have been 100% off-grid for the last 7 months running this Inverter off our batteries and solar 24/7 to power a refrigerator, security system, a small computer, network access, and cell phone router and booster. It has worked very well.
Congratulations Juan and Michelle on your power up. I can tell that you are gaining more confidence in the way you describe things. The inverter seems to work better for lithium than flooded batteries. Waiting to see this baby on the road. Is the drive train in pretty good shape?
Thank you er1073 - We are getting a little more comfortable with it :). The drivetrain is in great shape - the engine was rebuilt 47K miles ago and the Transmission was rebuilt less than 10K miles ago.
Well then you have break in mileage with your coach. It could go a million or more miles if maintained. Does Victron make a higher watt converter? If they are configurable maybe a larger capacity would work instead of so many plugs or maybe I misunderstood the shore plugs and the generator plugs. Don't get me wrong I like what you have done. I forgot to mention that your electrical bay looks fantastic and very organized professional looking with TLC.
I updated the firmware on the Color Control GX - I have not done it on the Quattro - I probably won't unless REC or Victron advises it. I have been watching your build - that is a ton of solar up there I would advise not walking on them!
Great video! learned so much. I have the same inverter in my off grid cabin. Do you have to ground this system? I hooked up all the ground wires on the invertor to the AC box, but I have no ground spike. Should I have one?
We did ground it to the chassis and that is also ground to the shore power cord (which should then take it to earth ground when we are hooked up). When we are not hooked up to shore power we should technically have a spike and cable attached and if we stay somewhere for a long enough time it might be worth doing that (I will have to investigate this more).
1. No transfer switch, totally understood. What happens, worst case scenario if the Victron Inverter packed up, how do you by-pass the non-working Victron Inverter? 2. Can the Inverter be configured on a Mac (MacOS), instead of Windows? 3. What’s the noise decibels coming from the Victron Inverter fans? I’m considering using this in an hybrid home setting so noise ideally would be great if it was low on high loads. 4. Our output loads in Africa is 240volts, what’s your thought on running such high voltages? I’m looking at getting an Induction Cooker running 3,000volts total and going off grid. All my estimated total household load should be 6,800volts (but obviously not simultaneously).
Thank you Moffat. We bought a very good, high end inverter in an attempt to minimize the odds of a worst case scenario such as you describe. That being said we cannot account for everything. If the Inverter dies, we still have 12V power for lights, fans, chargers etc) - just no 120V. If the battery itself dies we can switch the power to run on the starter batteries in the coach (for lights, fans, pumps etc) 2. The software only runs on Windows - but I have windows running on my Mac computer. 3. Noise is not too bad - more of a dull hum. Since we have this space air conditioned the fans do not come on very often - even under heavy loads. 4. Victron makes 240V inverters for this use. I don't think you should too much issue with it. Even though our Inverter is rated for 5000Va it is actually capable of handling a surge of 10,000 Watts
Great vid, glad to see it all wired up! I can only find that Victron Inverters output at 50hz. How are you running American 60Hz appliances? Is your Quattro an US edition which outputs the correct Hz? Or is it configurable on settings? Thanks!
Nice explanation of the Victron system. Question.. you mentioned wanting to run 80-20% cycles on the Lithium battery. How did you set that up to limit the charge to stop at 80%?? I just had a similar Victron system installed and was told by my autoelec it couldn’t be limited to a % charge (I wanted 90%) and it will always go to 100% from the solar ?
Hi Ken - The Victron allows your to set what "full" Voltage is - for our battery, we have 14 lithium cells in series with a maximum voltage of 4.2 Volts each - giving us maximum Voltage of 58.8 Volts. However, we set the maximum voltage at 57.4 (4.1 Volts per cell) - we will likely knock that down just a bit more to 4.05 Volts per cell depending on how capacity testing goes. Similarly, you can tell the inverter what voltage "empty" is. In theory, these could go all the way down to 3.0 Volts per cell - but we have them at 3.5 Volts per cell. The Solar controller we have has a similar setup where it allows you to set max voltage and min voltages for the batteries. Not to confuse things any further - but when we install the Color Control GX - it will actually listen to the BMS for instructions on when to turn off the shore power charger as well as the MPPT Solar Charge controller.
Beginning from this Morning Thanks for the prompt reply. I’ll chat to my autoelec about this. Also I’ll be interested in what voltage you find in your capacity testing that you find is equivalent to 80%. (I wonder how the Teslas do it - their charge % seems to be easily user configurable.
Hey Ken - I found some information that said 80% is closer to 4.0V - qnovo.com/inside-the-battery-of-a-nissan-leaf/ TLDR: "The maximum voltage at the pack is 2×4.2×48 = 403V, though it is widely known that the Leaf only uses about 80% of the pack’s capacity (20 kWh out of the 24 kWh to preserve cycle life) making the maximum cell voltage closer to 4.0V, and the pack’s maximum voltage closer to 384V."
I'm new here but, do you have the inlet (cold air)and outlet (hot air) for the battery air conditioner separated? Or, are they allowed to mix in the compartment? Maybe the exhaust (hot) air should be directed outside the enclosure the air conditioner is in?
Hi rickrack78 - welcome to our channel. You are correct - the hot side (coming out the back) needs to be separated from the cold side (coming in from the sides) - we started this process by cutting a big hole in the floor and putting in some mesh to keep rodents out - now we need to build a shroud to direct the hot air out (we'll probably just use some A/C sheet metal for that). For right now we just open up the door and use a fan to pull the air out of the compartment. That works well enough but it will not work when we are traveling down the road. putting in a vent to go outside should enable us to run it while underway.
You are correct Joseph - it took us longer than expected for get the Color Control GX wired in and by the time we got it wired in we were on to other projects. I will do a complete walk through of our system after we start traveling and have some time to actually "live" with it.
You will need a USB interface cable like this one: amzn.to/32pXGZ4 You will also need the "VE Configuration tools for VE.Bus Products" from the Victron downloads page: www.victronenergy.com/support-and-downloads/software
@@buckno3037 the USB connector has a slot for a network cable on the other side ... Plug a standard network patch cable into that. The other end goes in the inverter - you usually have to remove a front plate and you will see two network ports (RJ-45) you can plug the patch cable into either of those. Victron has a short video on it th-cam.com/video/V1Zceq02vMA/w-d-xo.html
How much of the power load can you keep as DC? Most electronics that use external power supplies do not care if you swap them to run from a DC outlet as long as the voltage and amps are what it requires. DC computer power supplies are a thing also for having a desktop computer without touching the inverter as long as you are not tied to mac and in that case mac laptops can be run from a 12vDC outlet with a car charger. Everything you can run directly off DC is one less thing run by the Heater know as an inverter. Would need stepdown controllers but they are already around for 12v from a golf cart battery pack you would just want one per 5-10 amp run.
Hi Andrew. We have 100 Amps dedicated to DC power. It's very likely far, far more than we need. We plan on running all our lights, fans, pumps, and chargers off the 12V DC - We'll see how it goes.
Greetings. I’m currently running a 24volt inverter at home (hybrids-solar) with a/c 240volts output and would like to upgrade to Victron 48v, could I do that incrementally due to cost constraints especially being in Africa shipment and duty costs have a significant impact. In due course would want to go off grid at about 9kva running on Lithium Batteries. Presently I’m running lead acid batteries and going through the research phase.
Hi, You could incrementally do the swap depending on how many batteries you have an in what configuration they are in. For 240V output, you would need either 2 Victron Inverters (configured for split-phase power) or an autotransformer. Another consideration is your charge controller. Most of the Victron charge controllers support 12V, 24V and 48V (some even support 36V) but you did not mention what brand you had (I would check to ensure that it does support 48V). Once you switch to Lithium batteries the Victron Inverter/Chargers are very configurable and should allow the switch to be fairly easy.
If the inverter produces 110 power why bother to hook shore power through the inverter, which converts to 110, instead of directly to your breaker box in the camper?
Thank you Joseph - The reason is because the Inverter is a "Boosting" or "Hybrid" inverter. What this means is the inverter is capable of limiting the power it draws from shore power but if the electrical need exceeds that limit - it will draw from the batteries to meet that need. For example If we are parked at a friends house and they offer us electricity but it is only a 15A circuit - If we decided to turn on two air conditioners and a microwave we will far exceed that 15A - it will draw the 15A from the shore power - but use the battery to make up what we need. When the needs fall back below 15A - it will charge the batteries.
Hi Larry - on 50 amp RV service both L1 and L2 should have power - however since our Inverter only accepts one hot leg we had to only use one of the hot legs. The other hot leg was simply capped off at tucked away (just in case we decide to upgrade to 240V in the future)
Hi ShowMeQuick. The Victron Quattro and MultiPlus are very similar except that the Quattro has more inputs and outputs. As the name implies it has 4 - 2 inputs and 2 outputs. The Multiplus only has 1 input. The other big thing was that when we bought the Quatrro the largest Mulitplus was 3000VA and the largest Quattro was 5000VA. That has now changed and the largest MultiPlus is 5000VA and the largest Quattro is 15000VA. Both are great inverters with Hybrid functionality and extremely configurable.
We will get there. Between holding a demanding job, homeschooling 4 kids, trying to convert a bus, and documenting it all on our blog and TH-cam I think we have like 4 fulltime "jobs"
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You have told me more about that Victron Quatro than majority of the videos or reviews I have watched. Thank you very much. I have finally decided solidly on my choice for power now. The whole system is super efficient, intelligent, and robust. Great work.
Thank you Travis - We continue to be very happy with the Victron Quattro - it is the heart of our system and continues to do exactly what it was made to do. We don't think twice about running up to 4 air conditioners on it as well as power tools from any of the outlets.
Woohoo! Let there be POWER! Just so you know, while out camping you’ll be a busy man showing others your handy work. People can’t help themselves when it comes to well thought-out and designed RV systems. Looking forward to the next building adventure!
Thanks Gordon! We were really excited (we are not terribly good at showing that on camera ;)). Thanks for following along!
Awesome job! I wish I had such a well designed system in my last bus!
Thank you!
Nicely done! Like the Victron's built in transfer ability. Saves having to set that up if you don't have it already.
Thanks Tedric, Yes the built-in transfer switch is really nice. Early indications are very positive that this is going to be a good system.
Well done. Nice neat install. Mine will be quite similar, but smaller scale for a van. Keep moving forward!
Yes! We have been watching your videos - keep up the great work!
Can you imagine having 6 of those in parallel running your entire house??? New life goals haha!
LOL - life goals indeed!
Great explanation of the system most people don't put the research in that you have taken the time to share so thank you for that.
I'm not to that point yet but I really appreciate this video.
Keep up the good work hope to see you on the road someday
Happy trails.
Thank you Brian. We have learned so much from so many that have shared that we feel a little obligated to give back.
Your switch is actually only rated at 300amp. With a 400 amp fuse "protecting" your circuit, you will fry your switch and potentially start a fire before your fuse blows.
Blue Sea makes a 600amp version of that switch. It's grey in color.
I share your "YEAH!!" You are amazing. Very thorough! Thx.
I read the linked paper on battery degradation you linked. Makes that belly bay air conditioner even more important...
I am really amazed at how well you guys research everything...you are well ahead of the curve versus most RVers.
You have created a really good system...I would duplicate most of your design if I can ever get a bus/RV to live in.
Thank you Gregory - We always say about doing the conversion ourselves: "Well if something falls apart or stops working at least we will know where to start looking - and who to yell at :)". Thanks for following along and for the positive encouragement.
You said all the true. Victron no drama its nice and simple
Another Victron success story! Juice? What kind of juice? Orange, pineapple or grape? We got yelled at in school for calling it that. LOL Sounds better than Coulomb if you ask me. Looking good sir!
LOL - yeah Juice ... Thanks!
Very nicely done. I'm wondering how noisy the fans are in this unit. I have a Casita Travel Trailer and I would like to put this unit under the bed. The unit may be overkill for the travel trailer power needs, but my plans are to also use it at my home base as well.
Ours is in a bay under the bus so we literally never hear it. We work ours pretty hard and I have opened the door to hear the fan when we are pulling 4000+ Watts. There is some noise but the fan is fairly large so it is not a high pitched sound. We have been VERY pleased with this Inverter and would not hesitate to recommend it at all. We have been 100% off-grid for the last 7 months running this Inverter off our batteries and solar 24/7 to power a refrigerator, security system, a small computer, network access, and cell phone router and booster. It has worked very well.
Congratulations Juan and Michelle on your power up. I can tell that you are gaining more confidence in the way you describe things. The inverter seems to work better for lithium than flooded batteries. Waiting to see this baby on the road. Is the drive train in pretty good shape?
Thank you er1073 - We are getting a little more comfortable with it :). The drivetrain is in great shape - the engine was rebuilt 47K miles ago and the Transmission was rebuilt less than 10K miles ago.
Well then you have break in mileage with your coach. It could go a million or more miles if maintained. Does Victron make a higher watt converter? If they are configurable maybe a larger capacity would work instead of so many plugs or maybe I misunderstood the shore plugs and the generator plugs. Don't get me wrong I like what you have done. I forgot to mention that your electrical bay looks fantastic and very organized professional looking with TLC.
Rocinante is coming along! Thank's for the very informative update.
Thank you Mark! She is coming along ... slowly but surely :)
Woah, look at those graphical effects at 12:50!!! :D
LOL - A special treat for the regular viewers :). Thanks for watching!
Love my Victron stuff, Looking to add another 24/3000 . Have you managed to update firmware on it? I haven't dared to do it yet.
I updated the firmware on the Color Control GX - I have not done it on the Quattro - I probably won't unless REC or Victron advises it. I have been watching your build - that is a ton of solar up there I would advise not walking on them!
Great video! learned so much. I have the same inverter in my off grid cabin. Do you have to ground this system? I hooked up all the ground wires on the invertor to the AC box, but I have no ground spike. Should I have one?
We did ground it to the chassis and that is also ground to the shore power cord (which should then take it to earth ground when we are hooked up). When we are not hooked up to shore power we should technically have a spike and cable attached and if we stay somewhere for a long enough time it might be worth doing that (I will have to investigate this more).
are using NCA or LFP batteries and from what manufacturer?
1. No transfer switch, totally understood. What happens, worst case scenario if the Victron Inverter packed up, how do you by-pass the non-working Victron Inverter? 2. Can the Inverter be configured on a Mac (MacOS), instead of Windows? 3. What’s the noise decibels coming from the Victron Inverter fans? I’m considering using this in an hybrid home setting so noise ideally would be great if it was low on high loads. 4. Our output loads in Africa is 240volts, what’s your thought on running such high voltages? I’m looking at getting an Induction Cooker running 3,000volts total and going off grid. All my estimated total household load should be 6,800volts (but obviously not simultaneously).
Thank you Moffat. We bought a very good, high end inverter in an attempt to minimize the odds of a worst case scenario such as you describe. That being said we cannot account for everything. If the Inverter dies, we still have 12V power for lights, fans, chargers etc) - just no 120V. If the battery itself dies we can switch the power to run on the starter batteries in the coach (for lights, fans, pumps etc)
2. The software only runs on Windows - but I have windows running on my Mac computer.
3. Noise is not too bad - more of a dull hum. Since we have this space air conditioned the fans do not come on very often - even under heavy loads.
4. Victron makes 240V inverters for this use. I don't think you should too much issue with it. Even though our Inverter is rated for 5000Va it is actually capable of handling a surge of 10,000 Watts
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Great vid, glad to see it all wired up! I can only find that Victron Inverters output at 50hz. How are you running American 60Hz appliances? Is your Quattro an US edition which outputs the correct Hz? Or is it configurable on settings? Thanks!
Hi Joel. We are running the American 60Hz version (120V). I believe the 50Hz ones are labeled "230V"
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Thanks Glenn!
Where did you get that Nissan leaf battery?
We found it at a scrap yard in Las Vegas. We looked for them using a site called car-part.com.
Nice explanation of the Victron system. Question.. you mentioned wanting to run 80-20% cycles on the Lithium battery. How did you set that up to limit the charge to stop at 80%?? I just had a similar Victron system installed and was told by my autoelec it couldn’t be limited to a % charge (I wanted 90%) and it will always go to 100% from the solar ?
Hi Ken - The Victron allows your to set what "full" Voltage is - for our battery, we have 14 lithium cells in series with a maximum voltage of 4.2 Volts each - giving us maximum Voltage of 58.8 Volts. However, we set the maximum voltage at 57.4 (4.1 Volts per cell) - we will likely knock that down just a bit more to 4.05 Volts per cell depending on how capacity testing goes. Similarly, you can tell the inverter what voltage "empty" is. In theory, these could go all the way down to 3.0 Volts per cell - but we have them at 3.5 Volts per cell. The Solar controller we have has a similar setup where it allows you to set max voltage and min voltages for the batteries. Not to confuse things any further - but when we install the Color Control GX - it will actually listen to the BMS for instructions on when to turn off the shore power charger as well as the MPPT Solar Charge controller.
Beginning from this Morning Thanks for the prompt reply. I’ll chat to my autoelec about this. Also I’ll be interested in what voltage you find in your capacity testing that you find is equivalent to 80%. (I wonder how the Teslas do it - their charge % seems to be easily user configurable.
Hey Ken - I found some information that said 80% is closer to 4.0V - qnovo.com/inside-the-battery-of-a-nissan-leaf/
TLDR: "The maximum voltage at the pack is 2×4.2×48 = 403V, though it is widely known that the Leaf only uses about 80% of the pack’s capacity (20 kWh out of the 24 kWh to preserve cycle life) making the maximum cell voltage closer to 4.0V, and the pack’s maximum voltage closer to 384V."
I'm new here but, do you have the inlet (cold air)and outlet (hot air) for the battery air conditioner separated? Or, are they allowed to mix in the compartment? Maybe the exhaust (hot) air should be directed outside the enclosure the air conditioner is in?
Hi rickrack78 - welcome to our channel. You are correct - the hot side (coming out the back) needs to be separated from the cold side (coming in from the sides) - we started this process by cutting a big hole in the floor and putting in some mesh to keep rodents out - now we need to build a shroud to direct the hot air out (we'll probably just use some A/C sheet metal for that). For right now we just open up the door and use a fan to pull the air out of the compartment. That works well enough but it will not work when we are traveling down the road. putting in a vent to go outside should enable us to run it while underway.
you mention in this video about a video you would do on the color control GX.... didn't happen!
You are correct Joseph - it took us longer than expected for get the Color Control GX wired in and by the time we got it wired in we were on to other projects. I will do a complete walk through of our system after we start traveling and have some time to actually "live" with it.
Aren't you supposed to run a constant current then constant voltage type charge curve?
Yes the "profile" for the charge curve is "linear"
Maybe I missed something but what program are you using to program your quattro and how are you interfacing with it?
You will need a USB interface cable like this one: amzn.to/32pXGZ4
You will also need the "VE Configuration tools for VE.Bus Products" from the Victron downloads page: www.victronenergy.com/support-and-downloads/software
Thank you for your response, I have the cables and software I just seen to be having difficulty locating where to plug it in at.
@@buckno3037 the USB connector has a slot for a network cable on the other side ... Plug a standard network patch cable into that. The other end goes in the inverter - you usually have to remove a front plate and you will see two network ports (RJ-45) you can plug the patch cable into either of those. Victron has a short video on it th-cam.com/video/V1Zceq02vMA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks again found it now I just need the password so I can reprogram it.
Did you set the password?
How much of the power load can you keep as DC? Most electronics that use external power supplies do not care if you swap them to run from a DC outlet as long as the voltage and amps are what it requires. DC computer power supplies are a thing also for having a desktop computer without touching the inverter as long as you are not tied to mac and in that case mac laptops can be run from a 12vDC outlet with a car charger.
Everything you can run directly off DC is one less thing run by the Heater know as an inverter. Would need stepdown controllers but they are already around for 12v from a golf cart battery pack you would just want one per 5-10 amp run.
Hi Andrew. We have 100 Amps dedicated to DC power. It's very likely far, far more than we need. We plan on running all our lights, fans, pumps, and chargers off the 12V DC - We'll see how it goes.
Greetings. I’m currently running a 24volt inverter at home (hybrids-solar) with a/c 240volts output and would like to upgrade to Victron 48v, could I do that incrementally due to cost constraints especially being in Africa shipment and duty costs have a significant impact. In due course would want to go off grid at about 9kva running on Lithium Batteries. Presently I’m running lead acid batteries and going through the research phase.
Hi, You could incrementally do the swap depending on how many batteries you have an in what configuration they are in. For 240V output, you would need either 2 Victron Inverters (configured for split-phase power) or an autotransformer. Another consideration is your charge controller. Most of the Victron charge controllers support 12V, 24V and 48V (some even support 36V) but you did not mention what brand you had (I would check to ensure that it does support 48V). Once you switch to Lithium batteries the Victron Inverter/Chargers are very configurable and should allow the switch to be fairly easy.
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If the inverter produces 110 power why bother to hook shore power through the inverter, which converts to 110, instead of directly to your breaker box in the camper?
Thank you Joseph - The reason is because the Inverter is a "Boosting" or "Hybrid" inverter. What this means is the inverter is capable of limiting the power it draws from shore power but if the electrical need exceeds that limit - it will draw from the batteries to meet that need. For example If we are parked at a friends house and they offer us electricity but it is only a 15A circuit - If we decided to turn on two air conditioners and a microwave we will far exceed that 15A - it will draw the 15A from the shore power - but use the battery to make up what we need. When the needs fall back below 15A - it will charge the batteries.
@@BeginningfromthisMorning Thank you.
won't in power both legs of the breaker panel on a 50 amp rv service
Hi Larry - on 50 amp RV service both L1 and L2 should have power - however since our Inverter only accepts one hot leg we had to only use one of the hot legs. The other hot leg was simply capped off at tucked away (just in case we decide to upgrade to 240V in the future)
If you don’t mind what are then difference between the Victron Quattro and the victron MultiPlus. Thx
Hi ShowMeQuick. The Victron Quattro and MultiPlus are very similar except that the Quattro has more inputs and outputs. As the name implies it has 4 - 2 inputs and 2 outputs. The Multiplus only has 1 input. The other big thing was that when we bought the Quatrro the largest Mulitplus was 3000VA and the largest Quattro was 5000VA. That has now changed and the largest MultiPlus is 5000VA and the largest Quattro is 15000VA. Both are great inverters with Hybrid functionality and extremely configurable.
Holly shit.....more electric. ..think your ass. Will ever get done ..
We will get there. Between holding a demanding job, homeschooling 4 kids, trying to convert a bus, and documenting it all on our blog and TH-cam I think we have like 4 fulltime "jobs"
I hope Scott Cawthon doesn't see this.
I am not really sure what you mean by this? Can you explain?