This Is What Happens When You Let a FORUM DESIGN A SHOE - (CUT IN HALF) - Archibald London
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Archibald London elicited the help of StyleForum to build "The Ultimate Italian Leather Sneaker" and make it a superior alternative to the Common Projects. But working with the forum turned out to be a double edge sword.
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Forums always offer the best, most rational, non-toxic and sound advice.
However it can be yelling in a vacuum. Best to check different sources to not confirm bias
Yeah, I'm sure /pol/ and /b/ offer very rational and non-toxic advice
The heck with you, you twit. They should've made these shoes with the clear leather harvested from the aliens captured at Area 51.
@Mars Retti what is 4chan?
It depends. Sometimes they can be all spun up about things by one person with an agenda, and get focused on details that won't matter to the people who will actually be spending the money.
What happens when you let a forum design a shoe? You get the same shoe as everyone else, with the same materials, and the same cost.
If I could like this comment again, I would.
There's a lot of products that claim to be designed by "the community" or something nowadays, and maybe it's true but it doesn't really seem to affect what the end product is.
Maybe it helped *that* company make the right choices that they wouldn't have otherwise, but it seems there's always a company that's already doing that.
And all those dudes still probably just bought Common Projects anyways.
@@kinguin7 this is the first time i heard a product was designed by the community
@@gcg8187 no, it happens all the time with headphones, keyboards, fountain pens, etc…
Pretty much with every niche product
@@qwertpoiuy430 and it always ends up mid
Mad respect for you going through that whole forum. Great content!
About 30% of it was sizing questions ha ha
Rose Anvil LOL
Wow, it's really impressive how honest this company is. It's crazy that they wanted you to be so honest!!! I love the content, keep it up!
@Ethan Stam possible, but they'd have to go through more effort and the truth will always come out. People could just buy the actual product from the store and review them too, so it's really hard to say. Plus if you are caught lying as a company it's hard to build that rep back up. So definitely risky to do that, or they shouldn't send one at all and fake the marketing.
The best way to get the respect of the people and potential customers.
Ethan Stam 🤔 damn that is something
@@nouahlevi Makeup community has done this. A company worked with a very prominent TH-camr and sent her a 'good' product for her to test and promote. The mass produced ones for the public turned out to be of a much lesser quality. There was a time delay but the public eventually caught on, but the company still made bank by that time. Even duped the TH-camr whose name was attached to it. And it wasn't enough for them to go under. Still think they are around. In this specific case, working with the forum, there is no way they'd get away with this. They'd have to send all the forum people good shoes then cheap ones to normal buyers buying based on that group's review.
Eh? They only told him because he asked........ Pretty sly if you ask me
I really had no idea dudes were so into the most basic white shoes possible
Candice Cutthroat cause it s easy to wear
It's honestly hard to find basic white shoes that are high quality but not $500+
xerosagas just buy white leather vans old skools
xerosagas ever heard of kswiss? $50
its peak hipster, soon they will all be uniform, red lumberjack shirt, white sneakers , black skinnyjeans, glasses as displayed in the video, full soy beard ,man bun and vw golf are optional.
Forum: "I want a shoe that is handmade and bespoke as possible"
*Archibald releases a shoes that has very small imperfections or differences from shoes-to-shoe*
Forum: " I cannot believe this shoe does not look absolutely perfect. Why is there slight imperfections as if a human being made it?"
My thoughts exactly. Has to be handmade and affordable as well. Fucking people are the worst.
this is a horrible strawman
Do a saint Laurent boot/shoe. Would really want to hear the opinions of a professional on the leather that they use and the overall construction. All the vids about it are from fashion hype beasts who know nothing about the actual quality
Idk if it would be interesting but I'd love to have a break down of one of their stilettos. Some of them look really basic and I wonder where the added value on these tiny shoes is.
@Marc Carran very strong disagree.
@Marc Carran well his common projects video is one of his most viewed video
Would love to see him dissect some harness wyatts
expect the saint laurent's to not be impressive at all
Do the Maison Margiela Replica Sneaker!!!!
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@@Роман-д5ж +50
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Could you do a video breaking down leather cuts (Belly, Bend, Butt, Shoulder) and what suits different applications and 'craft' purposes best? This would also be nice to see what sort of leather your money gets you and directly compare different cuts that are not just tanned differently, but tanned at different price points. A video directly looking at this and the supply process in general would be amazing. Thank you for all the great videos!
Your criticism of using chromium salts in a "veg tanned" leather helped me believe your integrity.
You didn't analyze the leather used. Is it full grain like they claimed? Are all parts the same leather? How thick is it... Also, are you gonna cut the v2 in half too? The price is much higher than the v1 originally was.
Oops I must have accidentally cut that out. It is a full grain calf skin. It’s basically the same thickness as all of the rest of the white sneakers. I’m not sure if I’m going to do the V2, it kind of depends on how this video does and if people want to see it.
@@RoseAnvil Maybe you can add that info as a pinned comment or add it to the description with an annotation in the video? People love the leather knowledge.
@@RoseAnvil I would love to see a V2. This video made me very interested in maybe getting a pair but I would like to see if they actually adressed the issues proporly
@@RoseAnvil So it's the same thickness, has the blue hue. Are we really sure it's veg tan beyond what they have claimed? Why would chromium salts be added if it was regular veg tan? As you say in the video, they should definitely do a proper full veg tan sneaker and I'm glad you haven't just taken their word for it 100%. I don't think anyone is delusional enough to think it would sit at the same price point as chrome tan but it would be interesting to see how much more as it is only then imo that you far exceed the other white sneaker brands (common projects, axel arigato and so on..)
Will Sherwood-King the white calf has some chromium salts added to it so it achieves the brilliant white colour. I’ll copy and paste the answer to Rose here. So the white calf is a vegetable tanned leather but some chromium salts are added early (i think i understood this right) in the process. However the process is primarily veg tan as the core (again pardon my ignorance) is tanned by the longer veg tan process so much so the skin is marketed as veg tan.
I think the term you used might be right but they explained it as exactly or especially about this colour. It is definitely not a chrome tanned skin.
Most of the other colours in calf are full veg tan. We don't use white in our handwelted collection. The Anticato is painted crust aside from anticato tan which is painted tan. We have posted pics of the open shoe in crust on the forum.
Nice shoes, but not without flaws. You should definitely check out Crown Northampton shoes. Handmade in England in the same city as Docs and Solovairs. And they got some really interesting white (but not only) sneakers. Like a wholecut version. Also, they make them either from Calf skin, or from Horween leather.
Coming soon-ish
Those are my fav!
Northampton is the shoe making capital of England.
I recently bought a pair of Crown Northampton's Overstone Derby. I'm getting anxious in what RA has to say about them.
I do like my Crown Northamptons but if RA criticizes them in any way I will throw them out the window.
Wow, props for actually taking the time to go through the whole forum post!
I respect your videos and it’s great that you cut the shoes and educate people about the leather and how its made. Archibald is great after watching this video and I will definitely support them.
love to see a breakdown of a "full leather" runner, like a brooks or a New Balance! loving the content!
There is something oddly satisfying watching you completely dismantle this shoe. 💜
It's amazing to me how this project of making a perfect high end shoe still ended up with fiberboard and cheap foam instead of a cork and leather insole. Basically makes this whole exercise pointless when you can just get any other white sneaker and end up with the same materials and quality.
It is foam with leather but I agree that it is a little bit of a low quality for a "perfect" shoe.
They still had to make it affordable. Otherwise they would have sold ich for 400-500€ and everyone would complain that it's too expensive for a sneaker. At least this one is affordable.
I mean...i don't think adding a layer of cork would be that much of a problem, add $5-10 to it and thats it, unless cork somehow just got very expensive and im not aware
@@radry100 You do realise they still would not be that expensive? They would have to significantly mark up the price to even get to the 500 dollar mark. The cost of materials to make that happen is pretty damn cheap.
Given the construction, why do you think a cork insole would be better?
Man, I would love to see you cutting a pair of Saint Laurent boots in half and analyze them!
These boots retail from $1000 and upwards. Some say they are cemented, some say they are blake stitched.
Having watched this video I can’t help thinking that the product wanted by the Styleforum already exists. They are handmade in England by Crown Northampton at a price not much more than you’d pay for Archibald London. The Crown’s shoes come in three basic models, two of which can be made as high tops, and in standard and wide fittings. They have a range of high quality leathers, including Horween Chromexcel, and a range of soles. Each pair is made to order in their Northampton workshop. They have been reviewed on The Kavalier TH-cam channel. Personally I’d rather order the Crowns over the Archibalds. I’d really like to see a tear-down video to see how they compare to the other white sneakers you’ve reviewed.
I have a pair of the crown Harlestone shells, and while they are of course damn good and also comfortable (due to the generously sized last), they definitely do not have a modern silhouette or styling like Archibald/Margom-based sneakers. You definitely sacrifice some 'cool factor' and sleekness in exchange for the higher quality construction and materials.
They don't look too bad but there are ones on the market already that are really similar and that don't have the flaws...
Pls do artisan labs essential sneakers next !
Wow Weston ! Great video yet again! Those sneakers seem way nice.
Thanks joe!
I’m a fan of Archibald’s other items (mainly the cashmere and vicuña) but i’m still not at all sold on these shoes, since many direct to consumer brands have already attempted their versions without any of the problems. Would be interested to see how the V2s turn out (though, for a little bit more money, I can still get common projects on sale....).
You should do a video where you test the quality on high end brand-name sneakers, gucci, givenchy, louboutin etc. and see how much they should actually be worth, would be interesting!
I would love a raw leather look on some sneakers.
Have you seen the crown Northampton videos? Crazy expensive but many leather selections. Thursday makes a brown leather sneaker too.
NO YOU! Thanks for everything *you* do!
Can you do a video on why vibram is used and whats so good about it?
I looked up to see what kind of leather is chrome tanned, then, re-tanned using the veg tan process, Here’s what I found on wiki:
“Latigo leather is cowhide leather that is combination tanned. First it is chrome tanned, then it is vegetable tanned. Before modern combination tanning, latigo had been combination tanned with alum and gambier. Latigo is usually infused with oils and waxes. ... They are named for the latigo leather used to create them.”
I guess you CAN market it as “veg tan” if it spends more time in the veg tan process but they probably should have called it “látigo”
Creases are part and parcel of working with vegtan as well, it doesn't have the softness or bounceback as chrometan. This is the problem with folks just labelling and thinking "oh vegtan is better than chrometan in everyway". It's so terribly incorrect. The reality is that for what you want in a sneaker, chrometan is the perfect leather.
Exactly.
Half true, you can't say there's a perfect leather. Both can be made into sneakers like the colours other than white in this case. The leather upper is so thin that veg tan or chrome tan will work. The main difference is the cost of time to tan, patina and colouring options. Chrome tan can be vibrantly coloured but veg tan will be more difficult to colour and have a "natural looking" patina. The SF community couldn't care less about the method of tanning, only on how well the shoes are made.
EDIT: Puncture resistance has mainly been solved with leather counters and steel toes. Waterproofing has been solved with varieties of hydrophobic compounds. *The method of tanning does not matter apart from the appearance you want in a pair of sneakers. The level of craftsmanship matters more.* The same cannot be said for boots.
I have pairs of Vibergs and Edward Greens (chrome and veg) and it really doesn't matter at all if it's chrome, or veg tan but how it's been crafted instead.
I think the main issues with shoe creases is expecting any leather not to crease immediately after wearing them.
Except cordovan 🤤🤤🤤
Rose Anvil the fabric backing on this leather might actually make the problem worse as well.
Just commenting for the algorithm. Love your videos!
looks like a fancy pair of Vans
even though that they are handmade sneaker, they can't avoid the key aspect of making shoes which is the percentage of usage for a piece of leather and on top of that white leather it is the most difficult color to make. let say you got a big piece of leather and if you are insisting that only the best part / firm area / zero defects to be make into shoes, you will throw away at least 30-40% of leather. even the high-end tanneries like annonay france ( own by hermes) cant produce a batch leather that could guaranteed 90% usage so it is best to educate consumer on the industrial quality grading standard.
Would love to see a review on the Inkerman NYC Charlies! Great white sneakers made out of Veg-Tanned-Leader :)
Great content keep it going! May I be able to find the "perfect" white Sneaker oneday! ;)
You should review Crown Northampton next!
I think I am actually ha ha
Should be interesting! They seem to be using both a proprietary outsole and different leathers than the rest.
Hmm. So if you hadn’t torn the shoe apart AND asked /multiple/ times, they wouldn’t have admitted it’s combo leather, and the only way people will find that out us if they watch this video, as they haven’t changed the information anywhere else? That wouldn’t really meet my definition of transparent and honest. 🤷♀️
As far as they knew it was a full veg tan and the tannery still calls it a veg tan so they weren’t purposely misleading people. Also they are a super small team and it can take a few days to get to get a site updated especially on the weekend. Cut them a little slack they are really good dudes.
The guys behind the company aren't that knowledgeable about the technical details of the products and sometimes, things get further lost in translation between them and the makers they engage to make their products.
Thx. Got a pair.
Man your channel is the best, keep it up!
Hands that close to a band saw, my father would have clipped me round the ear for that! :)
I just bought me some thursdayboots and olivers. I heard of thrse shoes and should of gave them a shot. Maybe on my next one
Seems like waiting for the "v2" version would be the sensible choice if interested in them. Looking at them I personally don't think they'd survive very long on my feet at all. I love the idea of working with the community to build products, but it takes many iterations to get to something polished. Hopefully they keep working at making these things better and better.
Thanks Steve. Please join us on the forum. We think we will hit it perfect with the v2 as long as we remain focussed.
@@Roh2274 I really hope you do. Who doesn't love owning perfection.
Weston - do the Novesta Star Dribbles! Same video series as Chucks, Vans, PFs, etc.
Hey, congrats for 190k, you're nearly at 200k, do you have any video planned for the occasion?
I have been so busy getting ready to move I haven’t even thought about it ha ha
Yeah, that's logic. But I just wanted to say I love your video's and they got me interested in leatherworking and in the materials and techniques that are used when making shoes, plus you are always really clear, confident and fun in your video's which is great to watch.
Thank you I appreciate it!
Can you do a Golden Goose shoe? I think that would be a very interesting one
It would be great if you reviewed a pair of Greats if you are planning on continuing the series of reviewing all these margom sole sneakers. Thanks!
Very curious to see what Greats have inside, although they don’t use Margom soles anymore
Would you please review the Greats Royale ?
I occasionally view your post however I find it to fragmented, coming from the sneaker community there are fans of particular silhouette with various upgrades in construction 👷♂️ eg:- Nike Dunks - lux low 🔥- deconstructed low✨- elite low🌟- then premium collaboration & signature line, not just GR release. Neat information 👍!
Great video mate👌
Over £200? I will stick with Artisan lab for £130 and I am enjoying my Grenson Sneaker 1s
I have a sneaker similar to this one (including the way it wrinkles), and the manufacturer advertises it as "napa confort" leather tanned without any chrome. The manufacturer doesn't specifically say that it is veg tanned. This leather is tanned in Germany (I live in Brazil) and is finished and dyed (or painted) in Brazil. I didn't cut it to see if it has any blue tints…
Now a doubt: as there is no white dye, white leather sneakers are painted and not dyed. Doesn't this make it irrelevant in terms of quality whether leather is chrome or veg tanned?
White ink looks whiter when adding a dash of blue ink, for example.
We're all looking at the birth of another awesome company 😁
Honestly I'm just diving into the plain white sneaker game. I've been a dr marten wearer for 5 years and finally bought a pair of nike air max & alongside with some Adidas superstar. Damn I wish I came across this page earlier, these look beautiful, common projects were on my hit list but you've just sold me these, will be ordering and DEC 15 can't come quick enough. Thanks for the information & class TH-cam channel
Every time you use that saw... you're pushing in to it and it is giving me extreme anxiety. Stay safe dude!
but you keep coming back just in case :-)
You should have a try-on section
Converse Pro Leather low is where it's at
Could you do some Rick Owens Ramones or something similar to see how good rick Owens leather quality is
I have just came to discover your page and i am impressed by your true technical reviews, i like if you go review clarks court lite lace sneakers plz if you can
Hender scheme next
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So many other sneakers like these already on the market!!
Wow these look exactly like the Artisan Lab sneakers, even down to the heel tab.
Hey Rose Anvil!
I bought a fairly high-end lambskin jacket in Italy and the sales rep said some property of the leather was "because we use so little chromium in the tanning". So I wonder if some kind of combination tanning is common there.
Great video, I love the back story on this. I’d definitely get this over common project any day
Check out the Italic cadence leather sneaker. They are 75 bucks at cost with the annual 100 dollar membership and 150 for non members. They should be restocked in August. Love the channel too btw! As an avid sneaker owner and wearer it's very interesting to see all these different sneakers be torn apart and compared.
At some point too try getting Gucci ace sneakers and saint Laurent SL-01 or Andy moon. Being more expensive I understand if it takes some time to get to those. Thanks again!
-Parker
Hey Weston, love the work you've done so far with the channel. What you think of sneakers protectors for white leather sneakers? Will you make a video on how to condition and protect leather sneakers in specific?
I'm sure they get into this detail in the forum-- but i'd say they made the wrong visual design choice by moving the cross stich and heightening the toe box vertically to 'expand' the toe box-- rather than properly reworking the entire proportions of the shoe.
Higher end dress shoes are able to maintain sleek lasts while providing ample room for even EE width because they take a holistic approach to last design rather than treat tweaks like slider customization to fit specific needs.
wow, another great video. Kinda wish that the shoe didn't have fabric layers in between the upper, it'd delay the breaking in process as i've got wide feet. Madly anticipating the resole video!
As a guy with wider feet who can’t comfortably wear CPs or Koios, I’m definitely gonna check the V2’s out. Other than Crown Northampton there is no love for wide foot gang in the higher end minimal white sneaker world
1. They should have went with more cushion inside.
2. They could be getting tricked by the factory.
3. The eyelets need to be steel reinforced.
4. Steel shanks are bad.
I've always known forums to contain a lot of people who think they know a lot, but it's all questionable. Some people are geniuses in their field, and some act like they are.
You should dissect becket Simonon white sneakers. They take a while to ship out because of covid and apparently they make them in small batches
You should do your magic review with Golden Goose.
If it's veg tan leather, the creases are normal. Don't demand a particular material when you don't like the way it naturally ages. All leather naturally creases but they last a long time.
Thanks for another great video! Do you think you'll be able to do some Frye boots? I've bought them for years and really want to know the quality and your thoughts!
It’s so satisfying seeing him rip these shoes. The sound is so good
Looking at the V2 it appears the cross stitch is in the same place so did the just widen the tongue?
The v2 pics are the same as the v1s... As the shoe is literally being developed as we speak. We only delivered the v1s in the last 10 days so its all very new actually. We will update pics and send an email out to all subscribed when we have them shot but they won't look much different
Would love to see you do a video on the new R.M. Williams white sneakers!
Can you please do a breakdown of the Karl lagerfeld white leather sneakers
Great video, and thanks for the discount code... finally found the time to pre-order a v2
Did you like your v2?
@@somerandomperson8282 i did, yeah
Curious why no mention of the sole compound and rand tape. Rubber type and manufacturer should be disclosed. Is it vulcanized or molded? I would evaluate wet / dry traction on multi surfaces and wear characteristics. Grip and sole flexibility are my top priority after a perfect fit is established. After sufficient sidewalk abrasion, my first impression might be rainy day grip of polished market floors. I do not object to rubber chirp. I appreciate your thoughts.
I don't understand who is buying these all white sneakers that keep appearing on here. I don't know anyone that buys this type of sneaker.
neither do I
Me... got the common projects 2 weeks ago, lov’em
Any man with a semblance of a fashion sense owns a pair of white sneakers of this style.
@@jakemartin828 Thank you, now I know.
Destroyed a pair when fencing, that sidestepped me from fashion.
Dam, with the story behind the creation of this first batch, I would have bought 3 pairs to keep 1 for resale, one for use and one for my collection. Corona19 kicks with the original sinful errors!!!!
I like the contents, I would be happy if you give a score to each shoes based on the quality of the leather and reliability ,
You should do the yezzy range
Best test I've seen for testing veg VS chrome is cutting a strip and tossing it in boiling water. Straight veg will curl up tightly, chrome or retan won't
I happened across your Birkenstock video and got sucked in! 🤣
Ha ha awesome
Great review! Please review the RM Williams 'Surry' sneakers, as i think these will be one of the best imo ;-)
Please do the Everlane Tread Court white sneakers!!
Please do Artisan Lab's Essential White Sneaker. As well as the Red Wing Classic Moc Toe Boots 875. Love the videos!
I wish you would review two shoes/ boots, birkenstock " bend " , and birkenstock boots. Duck feet, farborgboots .
Thank you for exposing big conpanjes.saves me a lot of money and also gives me a reason wether or not to go with the hype and look at your videos since you can afford to cut them open😅😅
Please do a comparison video on Reebok Club C 85 and their higher-priced version.
would love to see you dissect some thursday boot models, from the first and saint Laurent wyatts
I'm all for this one. I have a pair of Thursdays Rouge's.
id love to see these with edge paint/kote
Hmmmmm... Interesting process
I still think the Adidas Superstars need to be on this list eventually
Can you do a breakdown of the ON The Roger series?
I would love to see you do a video comparing the SLP Wyatt boot with the Thursday boots harness boot.
Do the everlane white sneaker. It’s made out of leather with a very similar build to Nike Air Force 1
Another good teardown and very informative as well.
They did not mention how many percent of the chrome tanned versus the vegetable tanned process.
Since it creases easily so does it means that there was more chrome tanned process involved?
It would be interesting to know how these two tanning process were done on the same hide.
Great video, just want to see artisan lab and crown northampton
Can you also check out brands like Cole haan and Johnson and murphy? I see those names everywhere.