Wow subscribed to your channel thanks to this video, I think you can say you´re the first person out there to delid a 6950x and one of the few who will dare to do it.
I purchased the series 1 delidding tool and delidded my i7 4790k (over clocked to 4.6GHz 1.24v). I put liquid metal on the CPU, the bottom of the IHS, on top of the IHS and the bottom of the Noctua NH-d15 an saw a 17C drop in temps. I did the same for my i7 3770k (4.5GHz 1.22v)and saw a 12C drop. For the time that it takes to do this, maybe 1 hr, it is well worth it to make sure your temps are low (max out at 78C now using prime 95 with AVX 28.10. 60C with older Prime 95 versions). I also did this to my video card (GTX 980Ti) and saw a 28C drop in temps as I was using Arctic SIlver 5 with my aftermarket cooler. Thanks for the effort making the tool and the video which inspired me to do this.
Meet you at computex at Taipei last Saturday. I noticed that you don't use silicon plaster such as Stars-922 which I use to prevent liquid metal move around. I think it's risky to leave those capacitors and resistors alone with liquid metal. What I do is put ST-922 around the edge of CPU die. Because ST-922 is soft at first, so I don't worry if it prevent contact between die and CPU lid.
I just want to thank you for both being willing to even make products to help delid and for trying to make the deliding insanity slightly less neurotic. You have a new sub
if you do really want to do a better job sanding the IHS, you should get a pieces of glass big enough to run the IHS in figure 8 while sanding the back and the front of the IHS. Also you should started with 3 type of sanding paper rough, middle and fine type so at the end w/ the fine type the finishing ends like a pieces of glass that you can see yourself, then you should see way better results. Just my humble two cents tip.
I would like to see direct cooling without the IHS, I remember reading a thread about someone doing just that and dropped about 15c vs the 9c you saw. Great work! thank you
Evbil_wafflez old Athlon CPU's had exposed dies and vertically all mobile chips do as well. But, yeah! I wouldn't ever want to put a large air cooler on an exposed die! :-) I'm sure a water block without a pump on it would be perfectly fine. I would definitely add riser bumpers on the corners so the block doesn't tilt or rather have equally pressure on the corners. Just like older desktop CPU's had.
I could see doing this with the 7700... really any of the quad cores, because the cheap out so much on the thermal paste but I would never do this to one of the 8 or 10 cores. You're a mad man!
Can anyone explain why the 6950X has a small pcb ontop of a big one, whereas all the Haswell-E ones does not? Is it a resocketed LGA 1150 chip that they resocketed for 2011-3 ?
You're taking a risk here: what will give first the solder between the IHS and CPU or between the CPU die and the PCB? For a few deg C. It's super cool that this worked, but with a $1.5K CPU you're potentially on the fail train to sad panda town doing this. And was there ever a followup? I'd like to know how the sanded IHS worked out...
Is liquid metal a long term solution, how often does it need to be reapplied? Does anything need to be done to keep it from running/flowing between the die and ihs? Does it become a solid after burn in?
Hello, I would recommend to isolate the resistors at the CPU chip before applying the liquid metal because its conductive and could potentially damage it!
Really interesting, thanks. I would be incredibly scared to do it myself. Do you by chance have a paid service so people can send in their Haswell or Broadwell-E cpus and you can perform the delidding, etc?
I have a 6950X, 2 x 120mm triple rads + 1 x 80mm triple rad, Watercool heatkiller IV CPU and VRM blocks, but i still can't do any significant overclocking over 4,2GHz (which was already possible on one triple 120mm rad). I'm thinking that this is the key that will unlock the beast. By the way, why can't you run it without a lid?
as soon as his delidder goes on the market i'm buying 1 and im gona use that stars-922 to surround the cpu to keep the liquid metal from going everywhere and love your video man !!!!
I don't get it, if the indium is is 1mm thick and you're replacing it with liquid metal that's about .1mm thick what happens with the .9mm of space that's remaining? Does the liquid metal make contact with the lid and cpu?
I'm having some major heat issues with my 6800k. It's going as high as 100c at stock speeds even. I can only get a small overclock on it. Do you think delidding would fix this problem?
can i ask a question? i have a 5775c which i run at 4.3ghz with 1.375v. my max temp with AIDA64 gets to about 80c on a kraken x61 cooler. i would like to get a higher overclock, around 4.5ghz, which i can boot to but it is never stable enough due to the voltage needed. would delidding help me? anything i should pay attention to with broadwell-h? i've seen pictures of broadwell-h delidded and it looks like quite a complex cpu compared to others, two dies and all.
Yea I delided a 5775c already with my delid die mate and it helped to decrease the voltage by about 20-30 mV but I doubt that you will be able to increase it from 4.3 Ghz @ 1,375 Volt to 4.5 GHz at a good voltage. Maybe you can run 4.4 GHz if you are lucky but not sure.
My FX-8350 still has the heat spreader on it and I don't yet have good enough reason to take it off. I would also be afraid that if I did, my heatsink would not be secure enough. With that said, I would not be using the gallium thermal pastes that you are using. I just now sent Coolaboratory a message for their recommendation on which of their products to use aside from those or any types of thermal adhesives. I avoid adhesives because I don't want to damage the CPU if for some rare reason I need to get the heatsink off. My heatsink is a Corsair A70 and they are rather big heatsinks. I like how they put it there in big bold letters a warning not to use that paste on aluminum and I have seen videos of what it does to aluminum.
John Doe AMD solders the actual die to the Heat Spreader, whish is the best temp wise for the heat spreader. Delidding is only for intel, never for AMD, if you delid an amd cpu, itll always break no matter what
I have a Question to get best temperatures you wouldn't you want to remove the IHS and place the Heat Sync (water/Air/Liquid Nitrogen) directly on the Die you have to be careful to make sure it sits level and the surface is completely flat as far as setup goes. But in the past this didt offer far better temperatures. Does this still hold true or is the IHS required for best Thermo Dissipation now?
Jay Johnston From what I heard the main reasons they place back on the IHS has to do with 4 things: 1-risk of cracking die when placing cooler directly, 2- standard Coolers won't properly contact die due to motherboard CPU support bracket getting in the way. 3- If the CPU doesn't have the right amount of pressure (or too much) it may not get enough contact to the motherboard pins and possibly damage the Mobo(motherboard) or CPU. 4- Newer CPUs (Kabylake/Skylake) have very thin chips and will warp it if uneven pressure is applied causing the CPU to not have proper contact to the Mobo pins, again resulting in a dead CPU or Mobo.
Jay Johnston Short answer yes not having the IHS would result in better temperatures but you would have to custom make a CPU block and deal with the other issues I explained about before.
if you tighten the screws as tighjt as you normally would......the die will crack the IHS is like body armor for the cpu...... and jsut like in war....that body armor is heavy and adds weight....which makes ya hot when ya gettign shot at in the desert..... you usually have to add a spacer to get the heatsink closer to teh cpu as well.....as removing the IHS means a larger gap
WOW you really are the first person to delid an i7 Extreme CPU. BTW do you have any tools or suggestions on delidding an old i7-980x? You really motivated me to do it. Any videos you could make would be awesome too!! Keep up the good work!!
Not really, there are a few who have done it before, but its VERY risky and has at least a 50/50 chance of failure even for experienced people usually. What he's done here is the first RELIABLE extreme edition de-lid tool!
would it help to clean it with alcohol before applying liquid metal? Or even scratch it with sandpaper before applying liquid metal. What do you think, sir?
Cnotolamacz You said applying liquid metal, and in the video he de lidded it and applied the liquid metal directly onto the die, so by you saying applying liquid metal i thought you meant on the die, not the heat spreader
would you recommend running a 6950x without the IHS? so that a liquid cooler would have direct contact to the die, while using a thermal paste of course.
I tried it but it doesnt work. The problem is the stacked PCB. The bottom part is like skylake and really thin. You just can't get a proper contact. I usually only got one or maximum 2 memory sticks out of 4 to boot which is a good indicator for bad contact.
Im sure you have seen one of these www.msi.com/pic/image/mb/9_series/oc/delid-die-guard_x99.jpg you could just find a way to 3d print one similar to this to fit the x99 mother board. the msi x99s xpower ac had it.
it works for Haswell-E but not Broadwell-E. Haswell-E is also only one thick PCB. You don't even need a frame there for direct-die. I'm still trying to find a solution for it but it's not so easy with the stacked PCB
@der8bauer is there any chance you will putt the delidder tool for Broadwell-E onto your hp for selling? seeing this vid is starting to hit the 1 year marker i was starting to stop hoping.
that is different than this, while its still solder.. you would need IC remover and really professional hands, so i would recommend getting it replaced by some professional .
why not bare die cool it, the ihs thermaly it supposed to spread the heat but in the end is just just another chunk of metrial between the coolent and the cpu
look at the gpu dies they don't have those ihs and they cool way better then cpu when you use decent watercooling. now i know there are differences between them and consideration to take into account but the ihs on cpu is just horrible it needs a redesign.
It makes sense for the 5960X and the Haswell-E lineup. The 6950X or the Broadwell-E lineup, however... the PCB is way too thin that you'd risk breaking it unless you know what you're doing (which im pretty sure its more than just adding the right tension).
Can this i7-5960x processor support 128 GB RAM, if M/board supports? i mean GA-X99 Ultra Gaming motherboard + i7-5960x processor + 8x 16 GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200 MHz RAM, will these RAM work 128 GB or only 64 GB as it is written in intel website?
On paper the 5960x only supports 64gb, but I've read a few reports from people saying they were able to run 128gb of ram with a 5820k. If so, then I guess it's possible, but you run the risk of it not running. So save your receipt lol.
I think someone who buys processor for about 1700 euros, it is also able to buy some water cooling as Corsair H115i. Could you use something like this Corsair cooling solution to test you 6950X? Normal cooling like Macho for that monster is probably not enough. Thanks.
Why don't they just make the chip as large as the CPU heatsoreader, so the dye can be huge and be directly in contact with the heatsink for better heat dissipation
Fernando Salazar two reasons. 1. Silicon is expensive. So having a larger a larger silicon die is going to cost more. Its good to keep in mind that the cost of a silicon die is measured by the millimeter. 2. CPU's used to be made without IHSs but the silicon die would get damaged by the heatsink if not mounted properly.
next gen will have 6 cores in the mainstream consumer line.. for sreaming i would definetly go for an i7.. well nowadays even for gaming.. some years ago an i5 was good but lots of games now profit from the extra threads and the trend will continue as both amd and intel go for more cores and threads on consumer grade chips and also consoles have more cores.. also cpus don't loose as much value as gpus while the performance gain from one generation to next isn't as significant as on the gpu market.. you can run a good cpu, mainboard, ram combo for 6-7 years easily and change the gpu 2-3 times and have a decent gaming rig.. if you have an 4790k there is really no reason to change it for an 6700k or 7700k yet.. the e series is worth it if you do rendering/editing stuff or run crazy sli or crossfire setups as you get more pci-e lanes.. the 10 core 6950x is imho not worth the money.. it is ofc very powerful but i don't think it gains enough to over the 6900k or 5960x to justify the huge price gap.. if money is no concern then yes why not.. but other people who really need lots of cores and threads would in most cases rather aim for a xeon dual cpu setup to get even more cores and threads for the same price.. that gives you less single core performance but as said the most people that really need those core counts also wouldn't need high single core performance..
Why not keep the IHS off, once removed. Back in the Socket A days we just used bare dies with the cooler directly clamped to it. No IHS to insulate the heat.
Nowadays you'd be pretty likely to damage the die underneath the weight of something like a large air cooler, thus the IHS is required to spread the force.
Jonathan Hiener They make special kits which comprise of a backplate and very accurately made standoffs to allow you to fit normal coolers without applying uneven pressures to the die. However I think for the price if you are looking to do this to a new build and say you want to delid 6700k you would get better performance spending the money on a 6800k and there is no risk of messing it all up.
I heard that the 2600k and previous generations of cpu's had way better TIM than what was used on 3770k and up so de-lidding wasn't necessary and did not provide any substantial performance increase, maybe a couple of degrees.
It's more of, if I remember correctly, the Sandy Bridge chips were soldered and the last ones in the consumer line to be soldered. Probably also had one of the last few to get proper treatment in the manufacturing process.
I understanding a little bit the English. In German ... not a word, although I like it a lot, mostly by Rammstein. Any way, I subscribed XD Very good tutorial, thanks
risk is too high and temp gains too low for it. I never released the one in the video because I don't want ppl to kill their CPUs. The new one is meant for SK-X and KL-X
This is one of the reasons why AMD NEEDS to topple Intel with Ryzen. With an FX processor, despite being a "heater" in terms of the poor IPC and the insane TDP, at least they soldered it so well that delidding is a death sentence without desoldering it, and you'll actually have worse thermal dissipation with the original thermal dissipation being beyond a possibility of thermal throttling. For a $2000 CPU that IS SOLDERED (when THE AVERAGE I7 IS PASTED WITH TOOTHPASTE), this is just UNACCEPTABLE!
I'm definitely wanting one! My 5960X and the 6800K i just ordered would be GREAT de-lidded. One question though, i discussed this tool on OCN and people were saying that you still would need to heat up the IHS to melt the solder, and that this process would destroy the die withot that. Is this true? Or do you not have to heat up the IHS for this? I really want to delid my 6800K but i don't want to damage it by not doing things correctly of course lol.
No you don't have to heat up anything. That's exactly why I created the tool. All other methods included some kind of heat which really sucks and increase the risk. Indium is so soft that you can push gently from the side to move the IHS. I delidded 2x 5960X and 6x 6950X so far and all of them still worked. However on few of them I accidentially removed some of the caps around the core. CPUs still worked and OCed the same as before as the caps are just additional input caps for the FIVR. Still there is some risk left. If you want one, just sent me a message and I can arrange a tool. But as I said before: There is still some risk
How did you manage to open that cpu, is it not connected using Soldered Thermal Interface Material to keep it together with the IHS? www.overclockers.com/intel-i7-6950x-broadwell-e-cpu-review/
Ive ordered a 6950x, but I got angst, at the thought of doing this to 2k euros. At a chance to ruin the capacitors. Though I would pay someone who doesn't shake as much me me hehe
When people were saying the IHS is soldered to the CPU i was thinking it was more like a tin soldering type of solder where the CPU die is physically bonded to the IHS
That's what it is, the CPU die is *soldered* to the IHS, so it is physically bonded to it. Except it's not tin based solder, but indium based solder which has lower melting temperatures.
IIGrayfoxII That's true, idk how exactly this processor was done but he said something about "glue" so it probably wasn't literally soldered, he was only removing the solder from the IHS.. if he tried to push away the IHS like he did while it was seriously soldered, he'd break the die off, the junction would be much stronger.. check out other vids of IHS removal of soldered CPUs
Don’t delid your 6950X for 5% better temperatures! It is not worth the massive depreciation, and warranty removal lol. I like to Delid processors, I ran my lil i5 6600K at like 5.2Ghz everyday of its life 24/7 but, my temps lowered by around 18C not 4C
My god, it's one thing delidding like a 8700k it's $350 and the TIM is shit (using a liqiud metal could get you up to a 20c reduction), delidding a $1500+ cpu that has a soldered IHS for a 9c reduction is well... describing you as a "crazy performance enthusiast" is understating it. I mean 9c is significant and nothing scoff at but still... you either have some serious steel nerves or wipe your ass with dolla dolla bills
I swear this is the only guy on the planet that would delid a 1750$ CPU...
LaSombra CS:GO nope
in brazil this chip costs about BRL9.008,00( U$D2.830,00) no one will ever do this here .
@@nicolasgleiser wow in Hong Kong only 7,900 HKD (USD 1,006.46). I bought it in 2017.
Wow subscribed to your channel thanks to this video, I think you can say you´re the first person out there to delid a 6950x and one of the few who will dare to do it.
I purchased the series 1 delidding tool and delidded my i7 4790k (over clocked to 4.6GHz 1.24v). I put liquid metal on the CPU, the bottom of the IHS, on top of the IHS and the bottom of the Noctua NH-d15 an saw a 17C drop in temps. I did the same for my i7 3770k (4.5GHz 1.22v)and saw a 12C drop. For the time that it takes to do this, maybe 1 hr, it is well worth it to make sure your temps are low (max out at 78C now using prime 95 with AVX 28.10. 60C with older Prime 95 versions). I also did this to my video card (GTX 980Ti) and saw a 28C drop in temps as I was using Arctic SIlver 5 with my aftermarket cooler. Thanks for the effort making the tool and the video which inspired me to do this.
Meet you at computex at Taipei last Saturday.
I noticed that you don't use silicon plaster such as Stars-922 which I use to prevent liquid metal move around. I think it's risky to leave those capacitors and resistors alone with liquid metal. What I do is put ST-922 around the edge of CPU die. Because ST-922 is soft at first, so I don't worry if it prevent contact between die and CPU lid.
I just want to thank you for both being willing to even make products to help delid and for trying to make the deliding insanity slightly less neurotic. You have a new sub
So Intel can't even provide optimal cooling potential for the already massively overpriced 6950X... * ironic clapping *
And the fanboys still can't see why competition is good...
if you do really want to do a better job sanding the IHS, you should get a pieces of glass big enough to run the IHS in figure 8 while sanding the back and the front of the IHS. Also you should started with 3 type of sanding paper rough, middle and fine type so at the end w/ the fine type the finishing ends like a pieces of glass that you can see yourself, then you should see way better results. Just my humble two cents tip.
I would like to see direct cooling without the IHS, I remember reading a thread about someone doing just that and dropped about 15c vs the 9c you saw. Great work! thank you
Gabriel Soria Its pretty risky, cause you could break the die wayy easier, but still interesting
Evbil_wafflez old Athlon CPU's had exposed dies and vertically all mobile chips do as well. But, yeah! I wouldn't ever want to put a large air cooler on an exposed die! :-) I'm sure a water block without a pump on it would be perfectly fine.
I would definitely add riser bumpers on the corners so the block doesn't tilt or rather have equally pressure on the corners. Just like older desktop CPU's had.
You are insane. In the best possible way of course.
Subbed!
Thanks for proving that the impossible is possible! Any update on temps after sanding IHS?
Man you shoulda done English first, you were the first with the 6950x but now everyone did a video in it
Hi der8auer !
I really really need to delid a 6850k but there's no tool for broadwell-e nowhere... snif
Please help ! ;-)
I could see doing this with the 7700... really any of the quad cores, because the cheap out so much on the thermal paste but I would never do this to one of the 8 or 10 cores. You're a mad man!
Can anyone explain why the 6950X has a small pcb ontop of a big one, whereas all the Haswell-E ones does not? Is it a resocketed LGA 1150 chip that they resocketed for 2011-3 ?
This is really soldered? Not Just glued? I think that if it would be soldered it will break
You're taking a risk here: what will give first the solder between the IHS and CPU or between the CPU die and the PCB? For a few deg C.
It's super cool that this worked, but with a $1.5K CPU you're potentially on the fail train to sad panda town doing this.
And was there ever a followup? I'd like to know how the sanded IHS worked out...
If you mount the cooler directly to the die you'd most likely see lower temps, though most of all your results are dependent on cooling capacity.
Is liquid metal a long term solution, how often does it need to be reapplied? Does anything need to be done to keep it from running/flowing between the die and ihs? Does it become a solid after burn in?
Hello, I would recommend to isolate the resistors at the CPU chip before applying the liquid metal because its conductive and could potentially damage it!
Really interesting, thanks. I would be incredibly scared to do it myself. Do you by chance have a paid service so people can send in their Haswell or Broadwell-E cpus and you can perform the delidding, etc?
I really need one of these delis tools. Still have any more left?
I used to do cocaine.I should be able to use a razor blade like a champ.
hahaha :D
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I have a 6950X, 2 x 120mm triple rads + 1 x 80mm triple rad, Watercool heatkiller IV CPU and VRM blocks, but i still can't do any significant overclocking over 4,2GHz (which was already possible on one triple 120mm rad). I'm thinking that this is the key that will unlock the beast. By the way, why can't you run it without a lid?
so what happened with the other lid that was sanded, did you ever post an updated video, did the sanding help?
great, nwo Im understand much more than in germane version what talking about :D
PS: at HW-E was so slim indium also? Or at SB-E?
Wow ballsy lol. I was fucking terrified just installing my new 6800k on my new build and here you are cutting open a 1.8k processor!!! PROPS!!!
Haha :D Thanks
How much for that Aluminum block to get this done? Probably more than the chip?
as soon as his delidder goes on the market i'm buying 1 and im gona use that stars-922 to surround the cpu to keep the liquid metal from going everywhere and love your video man !!!!
fossil19660 theyve been on the "market" for years
How much lower would the temps be if you were to use a custom water loop?
I don't get it, if the indium is is 1mm thick and you're replacing it with liquid metal that's about .1mm thick what happens with the .9mm of space that's remaining? Does the liquid metal make contact with the lid and cpu?
you have to grind down the corners of the IHS a bit :)
I'm having some major heat issues with my 6800k. It's going as high as 100c at stock speeds even. I can only get a small overclock on it. Do you think delidding would fix this problem?
I think its safe to say this invention wont be flying off the shelf
So quick question. Would this work on a 5820k. I'm assuming it would but I still want to ask just in case.
can i ask a question? i have a 5775c which i run at 4.3ghz with 1.375v. my max temp with AIDA64 gets to about 80c on a kraken x61 cooler. i would like to get a higher overclock, around 4.5ghz, which i can boot to but it is never stable enough due to the voltage needed. would delidding help me? anything i should pay attention to with broadwell-h? i've seen pictures of broadwell-h delidded and it looks like quite a complex cpu compared to others, two dies and all.
Yea I delided a 5775c already with my delid die mate and it helped to decrease the voltage by about 20-30 mV but I doubt that you will be able to increase it from 4.3 Ghz @ 1,375 Volt to 4.5 GHz at a good voltage. Maybe you can run 4.4 GHz if you are lucky but not sure.
i wonder how well would liquid mettle work if i put on a laptop to replace thermal paste just an idea
but doing that to a solder is very risky, i would recommend heating the IHS after 1st part and solder should come loose and IHS should drop
I'm really surprised this didn't require any heat since broadwell-E is soldered
shear force is your friend :D
sheer shear force :'D
Natedawg247 Nothing compares to the Dark Side of the Force.
wouldn't it be easier if you heated the IHS after 1st part? solder can rip the PCB sometimes (trust me i have tried)
Nice video!
Can we use thermal bear between IHS and air coolers?
Damn your feelings must be good if you can feel how that hing moves exactly 1mm
My FX-8350 still has the heat spreader on it and I don't yet have good enough reason to take it off. I would also be afraid that if I did, my heatsink would not be secure enough. With that said, I would not be using the gallium thermal pastes that you are using. I just now sent Coolaboratory a message for their recommendation on which of their products to use aside from those or any types of thermal adhesives. I avoid adhesives because I don't want to damage the CPU if for some rare reason I need to get the heatsink off. My heatsink is a Corsair A70 and they are rather big heatsinks. I like how they put it there in big bold letters a warning not to use that paste on aluminum and I have seen videos of what it does to aluminum.
John Doe AMD solders the actual die to the Heat Spreader, whish is the best temp wise for the heat spreader. Delidding is only for intel, never for AMD, if you delid an amd cpu, itll always break no matter what
what were the temps after sanding the lid to touch the cip better??
I have a Question to get best temperatures you wouldn't you want to remove the IHS and place the Heat Sync (water/Air/Liquid Nitrogen) directly on the Die you have to be careful to make sure it sits level and the surface is completely flat as far as setup goes. But in the past this didt offer far better temperatures. Does this still hold true or is the IHS required for best Thermo Dissipation now?
Jay Johnston From what I heard the main reasons they place back on the IHS has to do with 4 things: 1-risk of cracking die when placing cooler directly, 2- standard Coolers won't properly contact die due to motherboard CPU support bracket getting in the way. 3- If the CPU doesn't have the right amount of pressure (or too much) it may not get enough contact to the motherboard pins and possibly damage the Mobo(motherboard) or CPU. 4- Newer CPUs (Kabylake/Skylake) have very thin chips and will warp it if uneven pressure is applied causing the CPU to not have proper contact to the Mobo pins, again resulting in a dead CPU or Mobo.
Jay Johnston Short answer yes not having the IHS would result in better temperatures but you would have to custom make a CPU block and deal with the other issues I explained about before.
if you tighten the screws as tighjt as you normally would......the die will crack
the IHS is like body armor for the cpu......
and jsut like in war....that body armor is heavy and adds weight....which makes ya hot when ya gettign shot at in the desert.....
you usually have to add a spacer to get the heatsink closer to teh cpu as well.....as removing the IHS means a larger gap
so you show a delid tool we cant even buy since its not for sale anywhere
Why no temp glue?
WOW you really are the first person to delid an i7 Extreme CPU. BTW do you have any tools or suggestions on delidding an old i7-980x? You really motivated me to do it. Any videos you could make would be awesome too!! Keep up the good work!!
Not really, there are a few who have done it before, but its VERY risky and has at least a 50/50 chance of failure even for experienced people usually. What he's done here is the first RELIABLE extreme edition de-lid tool!
so where are these videos then?
where can i buy One delidder?
Roman, how do I get a delid die mate to delid a 5960x? :)
would it help to clean it with alcohol before applying liquid metal? Or even scratch it with sandpaper before applying liquid metal. What do you think, sir?
Cnotolamacz Dont fucking scratch it what the fuck you wanna break it?
how would scratching surface of a heatspreader damage a fucking chip XDD
Cnotolamacz You said applying liquid metal, and in the video he de lidded it and applied the liquid metal directly onto the die, so by you saying applying liquid metal i thought you meant on the die, not the heat spreader
can't you clean the tim with alcohol, why ru using a nknife to do it
I like ur video keep doing wt ur doing. And hope there is a follow up video for this and also hoping ur efforts paid off ☺️.
What would happen if the liquid metal touches skin?
MrRedrock25 Nothing
very cool is there an adapter to make this work for a 3930k Sandy bride E
Ocular Cavity 3930k used good solder so there would be little point
+Nathan Hamman (x925) cool thanks for the info
would you recommend running a 6950x without the IHS? so that a liquid cooler would have direct contact to the die, while using a thermal paste of course.
I tried it but it doesnt work. The problem is the stacked PCB. The bottom part is like skylake and really thin. You just can't get a proper contact. I usually only got one or maximum 2 memory sticks out of 4 to boot which is a good indicator for bad contact.
Im sure you have seen one of these www.msi.com/pic/image/mb/9_series/oc/delid-die-guard_x99.jpg you could just find a way to 3d print one similar to this to fit the x99 mother board. the msi x99s xpower ac had it.
it works for Haswell-E but not Broadwell-E. Haswell-E is also only one thick PCB. You don't even need a frame there for direct-die. I'm still trying to find a solution for it but it's not so easy with the stacked PCB
would it make a big difference if the you could cool the die directly, if so, by how much, lets say vs using the IHS and a premium thermal compound?
I don't think so. I tested direct mount with haswell and skylake and the benefit was usually 2-4 °C.
@der8bauer is there any chance you will putt the delidder tool for Broadwell-E onto your hp for selling? seeing this vid is starting to hit the 1 year marker i was starting to stop hoping.
there will be a retail version available at around computex :) Updated and better
even better :D thx for the quality content m8! looking forward to getting my hands on it
What is your recommendation for PS3 IHS that are soldered on motherboard? I've read somewhere that Flux-Off works on that stupid glue garbage.
that is different than this, while its still solder.. you would need IC remover and really professional hands, so i would recommend getting it replaced by some professional .
Der8auer my man where can i buy that tool did you have any link ?
Can I use common termal paste in place of liquid metal?
why not bare die cool it, the ihs thermaly it supposed to spread the heat but in the end is just just another chunk of metrial between the coolent and the cpu
look at the gpu dies they don't have those ihs and they cool way better then cpu when you use decent watercooling. now i know there are differences between them and consideration to take into account but the ihs on cpu is just horrible it needs a redesign.
It makes sense for the 5960X and the Haswell-E lineup. The 6950X or the Broadwell-E lineup, however... the PCB is way too thin that you'd risk breaking it unless you know what you're doing (which im pretty sure its more than just adding the right tension).
Can this i7-5960x processor support 128 GB RAM, if M/board supports? i
mean GA-X99 Ultra Gaming motherboard + i7-5960x processor + 8x 16 GB
Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200 MHz RAM, will these RAM work 128 GB or
only 64 GB as it is written in intel website?
On paper the 5960x only supports 64gb, but I've read a few reports from people saying they were able to run 128gb of ram with a 5820k. If so, then I guess it's possible, but you run the risk of it not running. So save your receipt lol.
OK, Thanks for reply!
I think someone who buys processor for about 1700 euros, it is also able to buy some water cooling as Corsair H115i. Could you use something like this Corsair cooling solution to test you 6950X? Normal cooling like Macho for that monster is probably not enough. Thanks.
For the purpose of this video that is not important. The deltas would be the same even if absoulute temps would be lower
Anyone know where to get an x99 delid tool? Ik it's 2023 but I wanna try
When will the extreme tool be available for purchase?
can't find any 5960x delid tool in market :(
Why don't they just make the chip as large as the CPU heatsoreader, so the dye can be huge and be directly in contact with the heatsink for better heat dissipation
Fernando Salazar two reasons.
1. Silicon is expensive. So having a larger a larger silicon die is going to cost more. Its good to keep in mind that the cost of a silicon die is measured by the millimeter.
2. CPU's used to be made without IHSs but the silicon die would get damaged by the heatsink if not mounted properly.
does he sell the delid diamond extreme?
What is the brand of the liquid metal that is used? and what is the product and best brand to use when glueing the lid back on the cpu?
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut. The glue is UHU High Temperature Silicone glue
Where can i get the tool to delid the cpu? Im am in the united states
Send me a message
I believe i did send you one.
iridium don't need delidding :) it's need better cooler i think, whay you not show how cooler you use for this cpu?
You should probably sand down the ihs a bit or it won't make proper contact with the die.
I currently run a 4790k, but in 3-4 years I'll upgrade. Is it ever worth it to get a E series chip, or is it just better to get a mainstream i5/i7 ?
If your gaming stay with the z platform if gaming and streaming, rendering and so on - you might wanna look at a 6 or 8 core :)
next gen will have 6 cores in the mainstream consumer line.. for sreaming i would definetly go for an i7.. well nowadays even for gaming.. some years ago an i5 was good but lots of games now profit from the extra threads and the trend will continue as both amd and intel go for more cores and threads on consumer grade chips and also consoles have more cores.. also cpus don't loose as much value as gpus while the performance gain from one generation to next isn't as significant as on the gpu market.. you can run a good cpu, mainboard, ram combo for 6-7 years easily and change the gpu 2-3 times and have a decent gaming rig.. if you have an 4790k there is really no reason to change it for an 6700k or 7700k yet.. the e series is worth it if you do rendering/editing stuff or run crazy sli or crossfire setups as you get more pci-e lanes.. the 10 core 6950x is imho not worth the money.. it is ofc very powerful but i don't think it gains enough to over the 6900k or 5960x to justify the huge price gap.. if money is no concern then yes why not.. but other people who really need lots of cores and threads would in most cases rather aim for a xeon dual cpu setup to get even more cores and threads for the same price.. that gives you less single core performance but as said the most people that really need those core counts also wouldn't need high single core performance..
Hi, i'm looking for youre delid tool but can find it, it's for a xeon e5 1660 v3, can you send to me a link for a purchase. Best regards.
(Ps: Haswell-e version)
Why not keep the IHS off, once removed.
Back in the Socket A days we just used bare dies with the cooler directly clamped to it.
No IHS to insulate the heat.
back in the days where you only needed one mobob for amd and intel......the good old days.
Nowadays you'd be pretty likely to damage the die underneath the weight of something like a large air cooler, thus the IHS is required to spread the force.
I don't think that would actually be a issue.
And if the weight was an issue, you could use a AIO water cooler.
Jonathan Hiener They make special kits which comprise of a backplate and very accurately made standoffs to allow you to fit normal coolers without applying uneven pressures to the die. However I think for the price if you are looking to do this to a new build and say you want to delid 6700k you would get better performance spending the money on a 6800k and there is no risk of messing it all up.
will you be making an adaptor to run the LGA2011-3 naked? Have you run any temp test if you ran the CPU naked?
I tried it already but so far no success. Nacked CPU without special adapter doesnt work for sure. Mounting pressure is not enough
well hopefully you guys will come out with mounting plate for the LGA2011 for naked :)
I think it's too risky for only 6 degrees lower, i was expecting something like -10.
What was that weird break at 1:04
mistake cutting the video =)
does it work now or cpu is damaged ?
Bad Max It's clearly damaged that's why he got better temps on it
So soldered CPU can delid really ? I never hear anything about past generation like 2500K 2600K delid.
working on 2500K and 2600K delid at the moment :) it's also possible
I heard that the 2600k and previous generations of cpu's had way better TIM than what was used on 3770k and up so de-lidding wasn't necessary and did not provide any substantial performance increase, maybe a couple of degrees.
It's more of, if I remember correctly, the Sandy Bridge chips were soldered and the last ones in the consumer line to be soldered. Probably also had one of the last few to get proper treatment in the manufacturing process.
Where did you get the tool?
I understanding a little bit the English. In German ... not a word, although I like it a lot, mostly by Rammstein. Any way, I subscribed XD Very good tutorial, thanks
Rammstein is awesome :D Thanks man!
Are Xeons (for example E5-1660 v3) soldered?
yes
Where do i get your delid tool kit ? Can I use it to delid my 3930k ?
It appears to just be a custom machined micrometer device. Probably something made from a milling machine etc..
now do this with the E5-2699 v4
@der8auer Would it be possible to purchase that tool or a similar tool for Broadwell-E?
You can use Delid Die Mate-X which is up for pre-order on Caseking.de (but I still won't recommend it for BW-E)
If you won't recommend it for BW-E then why even mention it? LOL
Also, how come the one you used in the video is no longer available?
risk is too high and temp gains too low for it. I never released the one in the video because I don't want ppl to kill their CPUs. The new one is meant for SK-X and KL-X
Okay, gotcha! Thanks! :)
Hello, please. I have messaged you many times. I need one of these please!
www.caseking.de/der8auer-delid-die-mate-fsd8-015.html
that's for 115x processors
My bad, it's late. I tried.
They have a website but they don't even have the older ones listed... I want to get myhands on this too...
i am looking for the delid die mate extreme as well
When will this tool be available for purchase?
they have been for sale for a LONG time...
at least things EXACTLY like that tool.
How can I buy one for a i7 6850k?
This is one of the reasons why AMD NEEDS to topple Intel with Ryzen. With an FX processor, despite being a "heater" in terms of the poor IPC and the insane TDP, at least they soldered it so well that delidding is a death sentence without desoldering it, and you'll actually have worse thermal dissipation with the original thermal dissipation being beyond a possibility of thermal throttling. For a $2000 CPU that IS SOLDERED (when THE AVERAGE I7 IS PASTED WITH TOOTHPASTE), this is just UNACCEPTABLE!
Which Brand of Thermal Paste you're using?
Thermal Grizzly Condoctonut
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With this guys tool he made I would consider doing my 4790k but as Vlada said kinda scary to mess with a $1000 dollar cpu.
Nice job man!
Where can I buy this delid tool? Plz inform me. Tks!
soon at caseking.de or just message me here :)
Thanks for reply. :3 I would grap one when it's available:D
I sent you an email
I'm definitely wanting one! My 5960X and the 6800K i just ordered would be GREAT de-lidded. One question though, i discussed this tool on OCN and people were saying that you still would need to heat up the IHS to melt the solder, and that this process would destroy the die withot that. Is this true? Or do you not have to heat up the IHS for this? I really want to delid my 6800K but i don't want to damage it by not doing things correctly of course lol.
No you don't have to heat up anything. That's exactly why I created the tool. All other methods included some kind of heat which really sucks and increase the risk. Indium is so soft that you can push gently from the side to move the IHS. I delidded 2x 5960X and 6x 6950X so far and all of them still worked. However on few of them I accidentially removed some of the caps around the core. CPUs still worked and OCed the same as before as the caps are just additional input caps for the FIVR. Still there is some risk left. If you want one, just sent me a message and I can arrange a tool. But as I said before: There is still some risk
How did you manage to open that cpu, is it not connected using Soldered Thermal Interface Material to keep it together with the IHS? www.overclockers.com/intel-i7-6950x-broadwell-e-cpu-review/
yes it's soldered. That's why I created this tool to open it :)
how much to buy one , i have paypal?
Ive ordered a 6950x, but I got angst, at the thought of doing this to 2k euros. At a chance to ruin the capacitors. Though I would pay someone who doesn't shake as much me me hehe
Hi, is it possible delid an i7 6800K? Thank you very much.
Yes, it is possible.
its the same basic over all layout just a smaller overall die. The method would be the same...
When people were saying the IHS is soldered to the CPU i was thinking it was more like a tin soldering type of solder where the CPU die is physically bonded to the IHS
That's what it is, the CPU die is *soldered* to the IHS, so it is physically bonded to it. Except it's not tin based solder, but indium based solder which has lower melting temperatures.
But In100 solder has a melting point of about 160°C and he didnt heat the solder so it would be in its solid state
IIGrayfoxII That's true, idk how exactly this processor was done but he said something about "glue" so it probably wasn't literally soldered, he was only removing the solder from the IHS.. if he tried to push away the IHS like he did while it was seriously soldered, he'd break the die off, the junction would be much stronger.. check out other vids of IHS removal of soldered CPUs
This is a £1,500 processor and he de lidded it. I'd be messing my pants.
Just make a shroud and have the die directly touching the heatsink, like the old AMD cpus.
are you the guy who overclocked a 7700k to 7 ghz?
you mean 6700K, yes :)
Don’t delid your 6950X for 5% better temperatures! It is not worth the massive depreciation, and warranty removal lol. I like to Delid processors, I ran my lil i5 6600K at like 5.2Ghz everyday of its life 24/7 but, my temps lowered by around 18C not 4C
Roman can you delid my 6950x ?
My god, it's one thing delidding like a 8700k it's $350 and the TIM is shit (using a liqiud metal could get you up to a 20c reduction), delidding a $1500+ cpu that has a soldered IHS for a 9c reduction is well... describing you as a "crazy performance enthusiast" is understating it. I mean 9c is significant and nothing scoff at but still... you either have some serious steel nerves or wipe your ass with dolla dolla bills
link to buy? :)