Another FSR advantage would be that it won't be locked into the Moza ecosystem when they release the dongle. Can use it on any wheelbase that you can mount it to. GS needs Moza wheelbase.
I ordered the FSR due to driving formula cars alot, and want the smaller wheel for its nimbleness. Although, I do prefer the pattern finish of the forged carbon fibre, rather than the weave of standard carbon fibre.
I got myself an R9 with the CS wheel and desk mount, it cost me 870€. I'm planning to get the GS wheel or another more affordable formula/gt style wheel if they release one because my original plan was to get a Fanatec CSL DD coupled with a Mclaren V2 wheel, but it was always a hassle having to choose between 5NM or 8NM and they've been out of stock for half a year anyways and there's not even an option to set a reservation, so after looking at some other options I found that Moza was the way to go. It took some getting used to, especially the size of the wheel compared to the g29 and its position when mounted on the desk. The g29 wheel has a small diameter of 27cm, and the CS wheel is a whopping 33cm which is what you would find in a real road car. When putting them up against each other with the tops at the same level, I can fit basically the whole width of my hand under the g29 rim to make up the difference in diameter. Another thing is the angle and the distance from the desk to the wheel, the fact that it has a quick release means that it sits a lot closer to me than it would with the g29, and while the g29 is angled up slightly (I'd say maybe 20 degrees), while the CS sits almost completely perpendicular to the ground, depending on how you set it up, since the desk mount does allow for some leeway (iirc it has 4 different screw holes to determine the angle). The last thing is that you really have to screw it down hard, otherwise it will slowly move out of place and eventually fall off the table if you're not careful. I found out the hard way after a lap of the Nordschleife when I removed my VR headset and found the wheelbase hanging on for dear life. I don't want to find out what its like to have a 7kg sim rig fall onto your legs while driving and it being a total surprise because I wouldn't be able to see it in VR.
@@jaumegenaro7673 thanks for the comments! I recently upgraded to a aluminum cockpit so mounting and angling will not be an issue but that is a very good point about the wheel diameter - would not have thought! I like the idea of an f1 style wheel!
The new revisions of the GS wheel don't have the button on the quick release, at least mine does not. I chose the GS just before the FSR was announced, I was dissapointed at first but With the Display not being customizable with simhub I am not that dissapointed anymore. As for the GS grips, I wrapped mine in tennis racket grip tape and it is so much batter now.
I can confirm this, also. I've had my GS for about a three weeks, and it doesn't have a button on the quick release. I also wrapped my wheel with grip tape. It worked very well on my Fanatec Formula V2 wheel when the Alcantara started to wear out. I thought that the FSR has plastic buttons, based off a TH-cam review video I watched a while ago. I wonder if they changed the buttons to metal, like on the GS, since they started shipping the wheels to customers.
I'd choose the Formula Wheel, as I play F1 stuff and open wheeler the most! Great, nice and very well made hardware-comparison video! As I said earlier on, you are a very very talented presenter! Hatts off! Really great work!! 👍👍👍
Great review. I, myself have just ordered the GS GT wheel and couldnt see the real benefit of the display for the very reason you gave about the the hub being on screen. It looks great but couldnt justify the extra cost. The GS GT comes in two options for the fabric V2 and V2P, i assuming this is the alcantara and leather. Plus i'll be doing more GT racing rather than Formula
Yeah. I am in VR so the extra screen is no use for me. I have the original GS and it's been good. The alcantara is softer than some real car's alcantara which is interesting.
@@kr1egquecksilber171 Well i was in receipt of the Moza bundle a couple of days ago and although ive only been playing around with it and getting it set up etc. Its a wonderful piece of kit. Top notch quality too. Cant wait to get some proper use out of it 🙂
I have the gs and there's no button you need to hold down. Mine has a black quick release. I also love the clicky paddles a lot. Also looking down at a lcd panel on the wheel when I have it on screen already and i am driving at speed isn't happening
the GS GT wheels now also come standard with that perforated leather grip right? i am looking at their products right now and they seem to have changed the grip material since this review. am i correct?
wow had no idea the size difference. im going to the store to return my r5 bundle and pick up the r9 and with the GS GT wheel, hope its not too big for my liking.
Moza has for sure the best entry level DD the best entry level set of pedals (SR-P) but the cost of those wheels is outrageous. For sure the best combination cost wise still being Fanatec dd + Mclaren gt3 and Moza SR-P. Once/IF Moza releases something on the same price level of the GT3 or a little bit more expensive than yes it is a go, otherwise you are paying more for a good looking wheel period.
I’ve ordered the R9 with the FSR, which is yet to arrive. I am, however, starting to regret the decision, as will be racing mainly GT cars. Is the FSR at a major disadvantage here? Thanks.
Some people like smaller diameter wheels even for gt cars. If you can, I would try it and if it feels too small, just send the fsr back and get the rs gt
@@donomar789 Will do, was thinking I may get better detail with the smaller wheel. Its my first DD wheelbase, so will likely be impressed whatever rim I use.
@@ciaranconnor4466 On my CSL DD I use a Fanatec Formula V2.5 ,which is 280mm I believe, mainly for ACC. I also have a 300mm wheel but I don't like it for driving GT3's because the difference in detail between those 2 wheels is pretty big. The only car I drive in ACC using the 300mm wheel is the BMW M2 CS and that feels fine. But I'm sure some people feel different regarding 'the best' diamater for GT3's. But you'll get used to whatever wheel you start with and the FSR wheel will probably feel great.
@@AyyLmaoZedong Thanks, that gives me some comfort, probably just depends on what feels comfortable to each individual. If I start with the FSR, no doubt I’ll get used to it fairly quickly.
Moza needs to open up the dashboard to community customisation - it doesn't matter that it's not compatible with simhub, just give us the means to make them and it won't take long! Until that day comes, the display is a letdown.
I actually have recently ordered a moza setup and went with the formula wheel and the normal cs wheel. I don't even really drive formula style cars and I'm intending to use the formula wheel for gt. From what I've searched it seemed the smaller 280mm is still good for gt racing and when I want to drive something like an lm car with a display on the screen I have just the right wheel. Sure I could just use hud elements to replace the screen data you would get in some irl cars but for me sim racing is all about chasing immersion. I don't care if I'm the slowest sim racer that ever existed. Really it's a choice that would let me do gt, lm cars and formula if I want to. Plus the basic wheel for everything else.
I think you are touching that wheel...inappropriately. Anyway, I just pre-ordered" my R5 with brake performance. I said Gud-bye to Fanatic and my 10 yr old CSR Elite. I am a huge fan of Moza for affordable gear that looks PREMIUM!!
Which is your favourite? 🤔
Acelith have released a mod for the r5 wheel and that looks cool. For the cheap simmers!
Anyone that is for consoles 😢
Well i just ordered the FSR, so... with the r21 and CRP.
FSR for sure
Going for the GS GT wheel. Mainly because I play with GT cars in ACC and Automobillista 2
Another FSR advantage would be that it won't be locked into the Moza ecosystem when they release the dongle. Can use it on any wheelbase that you can mount it to. GS needs Moza wheelbase.
GS v2 is also compatible with the dongle, so Moza listened to that complaint
I ordered the GS V2 yesterday. Should arrive tomorrow! Can't wait!
I ordered the FSR due to driving formula cars alot, and want the smaller wheel for its nimbleness.
Although, I do prefer the pattern finish of the forged carbon fibre, rather than the weave of standard carbon fibre.
Thanks for the review! When I finally give up my G29 I'll definitely be going the R9/GS GT route based on all your reviews. Cheers!
I got myself an R9 with the CS wheel and desk mount, it cost me 870€. I'm planning to get the GS wheel or another more affordable formula/gt style wheel if they release one because my original plan was to get a Fanatec CSL DD coupled with a Mclaren V2 wheel, but it was always a hassle having to choose between 5NM or 8NM and they've been out of stock for half a year anyways and there's not even an option to set a reservation, so after looking at some other options I found that Moza was the way to go.
It took some getting used to, especially the size of the wheel compared to the g29 and its position when mounted on the desk. The g29 wheel has a small diameter of 27cm, and the CS wheel is a whopping 33cm which is what you would find in a real road car. When putting them up against each other with the tops at the same level, I can fit basically the whole width of my hand under the g29 rim to make up the difference in diameter. Another thing is the angle and the distance from the desk to the wheel, the fact that it has a quick release means that it sits a lot closer to me than it would with the g29, and while the g29 is angled up slightly (I'd say maybe 20 degrees), while the CS sits almost completely perpendicular to the ground, depending on how you set it up, since the desk mount does allow for some leeway (iirc it has 4 different screw holes to determine the angle).
The last thing is that you really have to screw it down hard, otherwise it will slowly move out of place and eventually fall off the table if you're not careful. I found out the hard way after a lap of the Nordschleife when I removed my VR headset and found the wheelbase hanging on for dear life. I don't want to find out what its like to have a 7kg sim rig fall onto your legs while driving and it being a total surprise because I wouldn't be able to see it in VR.
@@jaumegenaro7673 thanks for the comments! I recently upgraded to a aluminum cockpit so mounting and angling will not be an issue but that is a very good point about the wheel diameter - would not have thought! I like the idea of an f1 style wheel!
The new revisions of the GS wheel don't have the button on the quick release, at least mine does not.
I chose the GS just before the FSR was announced, I was dissapointed at first but With the Display not being customizable with simhub I am not that dissapointed anymore.
As for the GS grips, I wrapped mine in tennis racket grip tape and it is so much batter now.
I can confirm this, also. I've had my GS for about a three weeks, and it doesn't have a button on the quick release. I also wrapped my wheel with grip tape. It worked very well on my Fanatec Formula V2 wheel when the Alcantara started to wear out. I thought that the FSR has plastic buttons, based off a TH-cam review video I watched a while ago. I wonder if they changed the buttons to metal, like on the GS, since they started shipping the wheels to customers.
I'd choose the GS since I play almost exclusively in VR so the display won't be worth much to me, and it also costs 150€ less!
Im 50/50 between the two, im also VR but the FSR looks so much better.
I'd choose the Formula Wheel, as I play F1 stuff and open wheeler the most! Great, nice and very well made hardware-comparison video! As I said earlier on, you are a very very talented presenter! Hatts off! Really great work!! 👍👍👍
Great review. I, myself have just ordered the GS GT wheel and couldnt see the real benefit of the display for the very reason you gave about the the hub being on screen. It looks great but couldnt justify the extra cost. The GS GT comes in two options for the fabric V2 and V2P, i assuming this is the alcantara and leather.
Plus i'll be doing more GT racing rather than Formula
Yeah. I am in VR so the extra screen is no use for me. I have the original GS and it's been good. The alcantara is softer than some real car's alcantara which is interesting.
@@kr1egquecksilber171 Well i was in receipt of the Moza bundle a couple of days ago and although ive only been playing around with it and getting it set up etc. Its a wonderful piece of kit. Top notch quality too. Cant wait to get some proper use out of it 🙂
If price wasn’t a factor, would you get the GS or KS now that it’s out based on the layout and function?
thanks so much for this review i really enjoyed it !!
You are so welcome!
I have the gs and there's no button you need to hold down. Mine has a black quick release. I also love the clicky paddles a lot. Also looking down at a lcd panel on the wheel when I have it on screen already and i am driving at speed isn't happening
I play f1 and ac/acc 😢 don’t know what to choose
Bought the FSR wheel last night. Microsoft Center has both options listed at $499 so it was a no brainer...
The FSR for $499?
@@chimp2k2 Yes! They've now updated the price back to $650, though.
What a steal mate, congrats on your GS priced FSR.
I'd be looking at the GT wheel as I exclusively play ACC.
Cheers for the review!
for anyone looking at these now, there is an option for the gs gt v2 to have leather grips instead of alcantara
For the price difference, I would go with the FSR.
0:52 - Hey, I have those same exact gloves! Didn't expect to see someone else with them. XD
Telepathy is real 🧠⚡🧠
❤ love the vids
the GS GT wheels now also come standard with that perforated leather grip right? i am looking at their products right now and they seem to have changed the grip material since this review. am i correct?
wow had no idea the size difference. im going to the store to return my r5 bundle and pick up the r9 and with the GS GT wheel, hope its not too big for my liking.
I use VR but i have FSR wheel. I like little wheels and i pay for it, now i have a screen in wheel and never see it when drive lol
FSR!!!! Joe's hardware corners rocks!
Weight of both? That is important as well!
Moza has for sure the best entry level DD the best entry level set of pedals (SR-P) but the cost of those wheels is outrageous. For sure the best combination cost wise still being Fanatec dd + Mclaren gt3 and Moza SR-P. Once/IF Moza releases something on the same price level of the GT3 or a little bit more expensive than yes it is a go, otherwise you are paying more for a good looking wheel period.
Do you know if it is posible to switch between diferent screens using a button in the wheel or it is only possible trough Moza software?
What do you recommend if you don't want to use gloves? Leather?
If I bought the GS wheel, I would always wish I had bought the FSR wheel!
or just buy them both
It's going to be the gt for me if I can get it to work with a 9 base and on Playstation.
I’ve ordered the R9 with the FSR, which is yet to arrive. I am, however, starting to regret the decision, as will be racing mainly GT cars. Is the FSR at a major disadvantage here? Thanks.
Some people like smaller diameter wheels even for gt cars. If you can, I would try it and if it feels too small, just send the fsr back and get the rs gt
@@donomar789 Will do, was thinking I may get better detail with the smaller wheel. Its my first DD wheelbase, so will likely be impressed whatever rim I use.
@@ciaranconnor4466 On my CSL DD I use a Fanatec Formula V2.5 ,which is 280mm I believe, mainly for ACC. I also have a 300mm wheel but I don't like it for driving GT3's because the difference in detail between those 2 wheels is pretty big. The only car I drive in ACC using the 300mm wheel is the BMW M2 CS and that feels fine. But I'm sure some people feel different regarding 'the best' diamater for GT3's. But you'll get used to whatever wheel you start with and the FSR wheel will probably feel great.
@@AyyLmaoZedong Thanks, that gives me some comfort, probably just depends on what feels comfortable to each individual. If I start with the FSR, no doubt I’ll get used to it fairly quickly.
@@ciaranconnor4466 How is the wheel?
Moza needs to open up the dashboard to community customisation - it doesn't matter that it's not compatible with simhub, just give us the means to make them and it won't take long! Until that day comes, the display is a letdown.
I actually have recently ordered a moza setup and went with the formula wheel and the normal cs wheel.
I don't even really drive formula style cars and I'm intending to use the formula wheel for gt. From what I've searched it seemed the smaller 280mm is still good for gt racing and when I want to drive something like an lm car with a display on the screen I have just the right wheel. Sure I could just use hud elements to replace the screen data you would get in some irl cars but for me sim racing is all about chasing immersion. I don't care if I'm the slowest sim racer that ever existed.
Really it's a choice that would let me do gt, lm cars and formula if I want to. Plus the basic wheel for everything else.
Where is fanatec whit screen? Mozaa new company on market and they able to make it wheel like this
Hello, can you provide actual information about weight of both wheels. Thx.
They should both weigh about 3 kg. 😉
@@OverTake_gg l know GS GT is ~1.6kg, so looks like Fsr isn't dramatically heavier. Thx.
@@sergeyyakovlev9085 FSR its lighter, its 1.5kg vs 1.6 on the GS
Why not both?
I like the far for formula and GS for GT
Ks?
hud on wheel not in line of sight
The display is probably why it costs $200 more.
I think you are touching that wheel...inappropriately. Anyway, I just pre-ordered" my R5 with brake performance. I said Gud-bye to Fanatic and my 10 yr old CSR Elite. I am a huge fan of Moza for affordable gear that looks PREMIUM!!
Gt for me
In new zealand price difference is $400NZD.
My gs creaks a bit but still a good wheel