The thing is even if Aemond wanted to kill his brother, he wouldn’t be stupid enough to deprive his side of yet another dragon and rider when they’re already severely lacking and in the middle of a dragon conflict. Sunfyre is the only adult dragon on his side that has a rider willing to help him in the sky, Tessarion is a young dragon akin to Moondancer. So, it makes NO sense for Aemond to outright attack Aegon in the middle of a dragon fight, especially when the dragon they’re fighting is capable of killing Vhagar. This makes Aemond look so dumb it’s ridiculous, Vhagar cannot win this war alone no matter how big she is, she needs an ally in the sky who can watch her back and is capable of actually killing other larger dragons while her and Aemond take on Caraxes.
My point exactly. The blacks already have more dragons than the greens. Its stupid for Aemond to take Aegon and sunfyre out. They still need to kill daemon as well, who is probably a better dragon rider. Rhaenyra has a large dragon as well. Not to mention the large unclaimed dragons on dragonstone.
The only way I was thinking of them writing it to make sense if they make Aemond so cocky and arrogant that he thinks he can win on his own. He already thinks he would do a better job as King than Aegon. Looking forward to show watchers slowly realizing things were better with Aegon as King of all people. At least he doesn’t murder and betray his family members and cares for the smallfolk.
At this point none of them are rational. And believe it or not Aemond after the brothel humiliation is willing to take out aegon. 1) he thinks he all that with vaghar and 2) he does not beleive that Sunfyre and Aegon could make that much of a difference because aegon is rash, inexperienced and kind of idiotic. Also I want to point out that I don't mind the liberties taken by the show because all the events that took place were told and transmitted, not actual testimonies from characters who has been there.
Exactly it makes no sense, also he attacked his brother in front of thousands of soldiers wouldn't that also have a negative effect on how is perceived everywhere? It's an interesting deviation but it will ultimately fail.
4:19 Aegon is also a Dragonrider, something the Green's desperately need. He's useless because the show's writers want him to be useless. At the very least he and the dragon would be needed to defend King's Landing, and you'd think somebody on the council would be smart enough to point that out to him if he's feeling useless sitting around, or you can go Alicent style and humiliate your kid whatever. 😂 6:57 I think this too, just because the actor did an amazing job. What I find funny is the show writers clearly want to me hate all the Green's, they've made all of them scum of the earth, but they're so stupid and messed up that by comparison the Black-side is boring to watch. 🤣
Lucery was a dragon rider, being one does not make you either a competent warrior, or a political reference so yeah Sunfire does not grant Aegon respect. At the end of the day it has to be earned. Vyseris supplanted his own brother who was a dragon rider it does not mean anything.
@@lobae9638 Being a dragon rider does mean something... Like what are you even trying to say? Dragons are literally the equivalent to nukes in this world. Even a small like Luke's could cause major destruction. And Viserys supplanting Daemon did mean something as it almost caused a civil war.
@@hawks7111 If you have not realized that the iron throne is a political Game as in having nukes only give you dissuasive power ( USA vs URSS) (That's why open dragon war didn't favor either sides, just heavy casualties) then you are just watching for the spectacle.
@@hawks7111 What you just said is probably what Aegon told himself before joining Cole. "I have a Dragon I am important I could do damage, Mom look ! " lol so much goes for strategic thinkingn and impulse control
Daemond is not a saint lmao. If anything Alicent is the most saint washed rn. She’s just so misunderstood and you don’t understand guys it’s everyone else’s fault. Even the choice to usurp isn’t because she’s ambitious like her book counterpart it was because an accident.
They simply just take everything good green have and give to black. They gave Sunfyre title to Syrax. They gave Aegon and Aemond relationship to Viserys and Daemon. They gave Aegon's bond with Sunfyre to Daemon. They gonna give Aegon's motivation (protecting his family) to Daemon. They took the love that smallfolk hold for Haelena and Alicent and gave it to Rhaenyra.
Interesting observation. Yeah, the writing is very biased in House of the Dragon. They whitewash Rhaenyra and the Black Faction, while further villainizing the characters of the Green Faction. It's actually very frustrating. 😤
@@thecriticalmaester9702 One thing that I don't know if they do on purpose or not is that normal viewers may think that Rhaenyra is a smart girlboss and Aegon is a stupid losser but it's only people who pay attention to the show can see that it's actually the opposite. It's remind me of Jaime and Cersei. Cersei though that she was smart but she was actually stupid meanwhile Jaime though that he's dumb but he was actually very smart. Aegon's plans were actually even smarter than Otto at some point. But the problem is that people think that he's dumb so no one listens. On the other hand the show wants to show people don't care what Rhaenyra think because she's a woman but it's actually because she's stupid. Aegon is a better rulers than both Rhaenyra and Aemond. Let's see, Aegon was right about: 1. Considering smallfolks 2. Securing Harrenhal before Daemon builds an army 3. Securing Grover Tully's support after Lucerys' death 4. Burning Gullet's blocade sooner 5. Wanting a dragon to accompany Criston and Gwayne (they could've killed Moondancer and captured Baela) Meanwhile Rhaenyra just act stupid. Like she just go to kl as if it's a hotel or something or thinking she can fight Aemond. And from what we saw and the leaks, Aemond is nothing but a sadistic tyrant. The thing that make Aegon stand out is his hunger for love. He wants love and he also have a lot of love in himself. That's why he can be a good king. It's his motivation. Rhaenyra on the other hand have no motivation and is a passive character. And Aemond is the only one who think he should be king, no one else think that about him.
Where are they hinding Alicent "you are the challenge you are the challenge aegon simply by living and breathing you are the King's first born son and what they know holds everyone in the realm knows in their blood and in their bones that one day you will be our King can't trust" Hightower?
This. I’ve been suffering deeply. It’s not the actors fault the script is written in crayon by a drooling idiot that can’t be fucked to read the book. He pretends he did but it’s more like he skimmed the dance once and decided he didn’t like that part of the book so he would just ignore all of fire and blood outside of the names and the absolute base line
But given the nature of the book it would be uneven more unrealistic if it followed the book exactly. Its a retelling from people who weren't present for a lot of the events.
@@devanman7920 that doesn't mean there aren't some ideas in the book that were better than the show. I'm so sick of people bringing up that the book is all unreliable narrators as a defense of poor writing. Just because you're not supposed to take it all at face value doesn't mean everything is a lie either
My problem isn’t the changes to the characters it’s the unfair changes that favor the blacks and punish the greens. In the book alicent was a good mom, ageon loved his brothers, and aemond only kin-slayed in a blind rage; all things they changed to make the greens look worse. On the other hand the most villainous member of team black , Daemon, is actively being humanized and it’s showing how he regrets blood and cheese. Rhyaenera is also being white-washed with her motivations not being out of a want for power but to unite the realm against the others. Not even going mention the utter character assassination of Criston kingmaker.
@@captainziggy82 I guess if I didn't understand what was going on, I might laugh too, although saying nothing would likely be better. Go back to One Piece, where you can be spoon fed, like a baby.
:makes Aemond a military strategist and use legitimate tactics: :also makes Aemond dumb enough that he would take out another dragon and rider on his own side despite already being outnumbered to begin with: Bro I’m gonna need them to raise Aemond’s confidence to 5000% and make him cocky that he thinks himself and Vhagar are enough to take on the rest of the dragons or he is going to look very stupid. Maybe he doesn’t care, he always thought he would do a better job than Aegon but we know Aemond goes on to do nothing great and just burns villages and towns in the Riverlands with his girlfriend.
Also Vhagar managed to sneak her much smaller enemies TWICE so far albeit she’s the largest and slowest dragon. Such a plot convenience to make Aemond an op big bad.
Hopefully they don't transition him into a 1 to 1 version of what he is in the books, because outside of this one decision it doesn't make sense. Even Aemond as a kid is way different in the show than in the books. So far only Season has laid the loose ground work for potential a very cringe transformation with the brothel scene (Alys rivers relationship) and him just going at both Rhaenys and Aegon (which he technically did crash into both, in the books) with Vhagar.
@@MrVictor1227 yes really, they are on the right side of history but the moral high ground is by far in Rhaenyra's favor. Allicent knows at this point that Viserys was referring to his dream of A Song of Ice and Fire, and still lets the war continue knowing she made a mistake. Also no need to be rude and tell someone to shut their mouth Mr. Keyboard-Warrior. It's a show, a piece of fiction, relax.
@@Grogondorf Yeah, no. Viserys broke law by naming Rhaenyra heir, he broke the very law that made him king over Rhaenys, so morally the greens are correct. Rhaenyra is also just as unfit as a ruler as her father was. Having Aegon as king with Otto as hand would have been the best outcome for the realm by far, to say otherwise is insanity.
They definitely feel like caricatures for the sake of easy drama rather than giving them a competent relationship with complex undertones due to their positions at court.
I try not to think about that stupid quote from season 1 “Rhaenyra is punk rock and Alicent is a woman for Trump” but now with all these changes stacked in favor for Team Black…I can’t help but remember it and cringe so hard 😅
Lol I’m done with the show it’s shot well and has it’s moments but I’ve lost all interest in watching Condells Rhaenyra did absolutely nothing wrong and is muh Qween Girlboss fanficition. I was hoping to see Daeron but honestly now I’d rather not see what Hess and Condel do with him. Honestly I can take most of the changes and a little bias but this is getting ridiculous, every green character is unrepentantly evil and they even call themselves usurpers (despite having an equally good if not better argument toward succession).
Did you even read F&B at fucking all? The show actually makes multiple green characters a lot more sympathetic.. "every green character is unrepentantly evil" This is just flat out false💀
Did you notice that they stressed Rhaenyra would be willing to fly into battle? The show is also inventing new scenarios for her riding her dragon while taking away moments of Aegon flying Sunfyre like after his coronation! It’s so easy to see the bias I’ve noticed casual mainstream recap channels like “New Rockstars” see how unbalanced the show can feel!
You're completely right. Rhaenyra aka "Maegor with tits" became a good queen and Aegon took the mantle as an idiot, illeterate fool who wasn't brave enough to go into battle without alcool.
@@yasmina3999 Just straight up false.. Helaena is wonderful as she always was, Aegon has been humanized a lot in this second season, Aemond gets those vulnerable scenes once in a while, S2 episode 2 made Otto more likable.
@@drrohanjacob i think if they followed tradition and proclaimed the first born son as heir once he was born the whole civil war wouldnt have happened in the first place, just keepin the peace brotha
They have made the Greens utterly incompetent. it’s funny really because they ran the kingdom while Viserys was sick so you’re telling me they actually do a worse job when the king is dead rather than alive. They are butchering the story of the books, and not only that they make Aegon out to be a fool. In the books they couldn’t talk to him as they do on the show. Especially a Targaryen king I get Joffrey, but you cannot openly disrespect a Targaryen king. They are supposed to be seen as better than everyone else this show takes the mystique away from them.
The Green are having solid plans and again their Rook's Rest plan would have worked completely if Aegon didn't come. The Green were way more incompetent in F&B.. Have you even fucking read it? Aemond was a braindead individual who did every wrong thing possible and cost the green effectively everything due to how dumb he was.
Aemond didn't betray Aegon Hbo betrayed Aemond , and wated a very good talent like Ewan mitchell he's a very very good actor I like him in the last kingdom
The show is Black propaganda. Feminist propaganda. It's a retcon to further align to contemporary western sensibilities. The race swapping (yes, I'm black and detest tokenism) of the Valerions, the brazen bastardy of Rheanyra's strong boys, the stupidification of Aegon the 2nd... He was no such fool in the original story, all these are blatant retcons to attract a wider audience in today's world. Read the true story from the author's pen in the "Princess and the Queen" released even before "Fire and Blood". Today it's retconned as Green propaganda, but that story was given from 2 perspectives... Grand maester Munken and The scandalous dwarf in the employ of the blacks... 2 views.
the funny thing is it seems like they've cut out nettles,a female character who isn't white and why? Oh because the way rhaenyra handles her makes rhaenyra look bad and we can't have that can we?
Something I'm waiting to see is how they will handle the death of Healena. In the books the blood and cheese incident left Healena completely unhinged with sorrow (it's far more psychologically torturous than the show...an uno reverse of sorts btw her sons). She remains out of view and unconsolable after. She commits suicide by jumping onto the spiked walls of the red keep. If the books were green propaganda, they would have blamed rhaenyra but it doesn't. Only the common folk make that wrong conclusion. In the show, I think they will find a way to blame Aegon and/or Aemond... About Aemond, I expect him to grow a classic twirling moustache the rate the show is going...
God damn you're dumb.. Aegon was an absolutely drunken fool in F&B as well. In here at least he has a character arc. Also Aemond was a completely one note moustache twirling villain and a completely braindead individual who made every wrong move possible and cost the greens everything. So for you to imply that the show is trying to make Aemond a "moustache twirler" is completely fucking ridiculous since the show had made Aemond have a lot more layers to his character and has made him a lot more sympathetic
I understand that not everything has to follow the books but at least make it make sense. At this point make your own show this isn't even an adaptation anymore
I don't really mind changes from source material if those are good changes. But I don't think this is a good one. Him wanting to kill Aegon doesn't even make sense. Yes Aegon bullied him but Aegon also openly respected Aemond as his best warrior. You'd think that's enough for at least not wanting to fucking burn your brother alive. Plus this bullying wasn't even mean-spirited. He was just joking. Yes the jokes were cruel but still jokes. Honestly Aemond went from my favorite to almost Crispin level of bastardy in one fkn scene.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Not for Rhaenys, but for Meleys for sure, the dragon gave everything for her rider she was only following orders, and it made me sad to see her fade away little by little 💔
I didn’t like that they are implying and hinting Aemond will betray his brother. I didn’t mind them making him a bullied kid with mommy issues but I do mind that they are making him out to be a brother slayer. I have mixed feelings about his accident with Luke. I wouldn’t have minded him being villainous and he is villainous in the books and murdered Luke in cold blood because to him Luke was not family just as he wasn’t family to Luke. However, he is not kinslayer in the sense that he’d murder or allow harm to come to his own faction the Greens. He is not the kind of kinslayer to murder his brother to become King or look the other way as harm comes to his brother’s way or allow harm to comes his way. It’s like they’re making the Blacks to be more family oriented versus duty and while the Greens are more duty oriented they aren’t so closed off as a family. Alicent wasn’t as neglectful as a mother the show implies and while the brothers didn’t get along all the time to say the least Aemond and Aegon in the end had each other’s back because they were at war. It also by making this happen makes Aemond more dumb less calculating like they did with Alicent and Rhaenyra. Vhagar is the strongest dragon but against everyone else she can’t stand by herself. The Greens need all the dragons they can get and by crippling them on purpose Aemond is weakening his family Hated that change. I am also happy about Rhaenys death. She murdered many small folk that day who were innocent and only came because they are told too. That’s why war amongst the Targaryens is so bad because in the end the realm and the commoners suffer more so than anyone else. Otto himself was saying open the doors to let the small folk out rather than trap Rhaenys because the debris was harming and killing the innocent people. I’m curious to see if they will begin to show the Blacks strongest ally, the Velaryons specifically Corlys turn on them slowly because of Rhaenys’s death.
When aegon was begging his brother to let him run away. He shouldve just let him if he was genuinely that power hungry. This is character assassination at its finest as aegon wasnt especially cruel to him. I mean I’m ngl to you if I caught my sibling at a brothel (which I will never be in one anyways) I would laugh at them as well??? I mean AEGON? The guy who took the blame for aemond when he called Jace and Luke bastards? The aegon who backed up aemond when he started a fight at that dinner scene? The aegon who applauded him when he killed Luke and gave him a seat at the council? This Aegon??? GOD what have the writers done! It’s like they’ve completely forgot what they wrote in season 1
I do want to point out that what I am about to say is directly from what is given to us from the show and I do believe the show manufactured this bad elements to hurt the greens sides, but there are couple of things I would disagree with your statement. 1. Aegon was trying to save his own skin and perhaps his mother with the allegation being shifted onto him, against his will. 2. Aegon does respect Aemond as a tool when he gets older, due to his competence and Vhagar. He literally says he is as loyal as a 'hound'. Even earlier he defends bullying him and calls him a twat, when they were younger. 3. Aemond also had Aegons back in the dinner scene, so that was a more tit for tat thing. 4. If you bullied your brother when he was younger, he looses an eye to the bullies you helped prop up to torment him, you pressure him into loosing his virginity at a brothel at the age of 13 and then after gaining the most powerful dragon in the world and he becomes a menace, clearly despises you for not being worthy of your inheritance and then you decide to mock him in a vulnerable position in the brothel, no shit he would try to find an opening to kill you. 5. Lastly, Aegon's appraisal of Aemond killing Lucerys or building him a statue was cut.
@@Ch50304 You get caught nacked in a brothel in your most vulnerable state with the only person you can confide in and laughed at every Tuesday? That's rough.
Aemond is far too smart for what they did to him in ep4 lol. Yes, ambition, okay, but what? Book Aemond is carving his other eye at this, THANK GOD Ewan is an absolute God and he can deliver everything so well cause the story went nuts
This is one of the best, I f not the best channel, right now, related to ASOIAF. I love the dedication to analyze and build thought about the HOTD show, being able to think beyond what's most obvious. Great, great job
The show is really frustrating for me, I see potential for greatness and it even reaches its potential at points but then they do things that leave me going "what the hell" I don't like some of the ways they are characterizing rhaenyra and basically all the greens and there's a lot of things either from what I can see being butchered or are just flat out stupid, it's been a long time since I've been this torn of a show
I don’t think people in the green faction loved each other. The only thing that’s negative is whitewashing the blacks, especially rhaenyra and making her uninteresting. I don’t even know how they’ll kill her with all that plot armour
Always thought that what i infered from aemond's loyalty to his brother was that he knew his brother was hurting because he lost his son ( throigh his killing of luke) that aemond feels responsible. So i infered how he emerged from the battle of rooks rest unharmed as just a conveniant coincidence. Although it wasn't until he engaged maely's that all 3 dragons plummeted. But by virtue of him being a second son he's naturally viewed with suspicion for taking power for himself. Like how maekar knew how he'll be viewed through murdering baelor breakspear even though it was an accident at the tourney if Ashford
The show really likes to push a "throne lust" on characters that didn't really have that in the book. Aemond was not shown in the book as jealous and wanting the throne, nor did he harm his brother in any attempt to claim it either. Daemon has also been given a weird journey of jealousy for the throne while he is off wasting time at Harrenhal and trying to claim the Riverlands in his own name. He was always supportive of Viserys and Rhaenyra in season one, but season two has given him Scar's personality instead. Why? It isn't an addition or improvement. Not every Rogue Prince wants to rule the kingdom, and I don't believe either of these second sons truly wanted to rule the Seven Kingdoms. Both were much happier flying off on their dragons and fighting for their king instead. Daemon maybe BELIEVES he wants to be king, but I don't think he'd be so stupid as to openly commit treason in quest to do so. The show's changes are not improvements to me. Martin usually proves to be a better writer than the show writers. I wish they'd just follow the book as closely as possible. A lot of the big events are losing spectacle and power when they rewrite them. Without the forced "choice" in Blood and Cheese, how does Helaena find the path to her end? It no longer makes sense. Fleshing out what is already there (as they've done with Aegon) is great. Changing it up entirely is a misstep. "Historical documents written by unreliable narrators" or "Propaganda" isn't a worthy excuse for these changes to the story and characters. Signed A Book Purist
Speaking of S02E05, it was almost unbearable to watch by the end. I couldn't not believe that in just episode we had: 1) a witch scolding a takes-no-bs King Daemon who's happy to beat any accuser, no matter the gender 2) a granddaughter moralizing an extremely proud Lord Colrys 3) Alicent mocking Cole 4) something similar with Rhaenyra, but I don't remember which man she was talking down to This series has had "men want war and wise women must guide them" motto all along, but suddenly concentration of that stuff went up by 200% and almost all male characters turned reactive/passive instead of proactive. The only male character still being decisive and not listening to women is... "the villain" Aemond. I wonder what are the implied conclusions.
Honestly the thing about this episode that grinded my gears the most is that it looks to me like they are writing bloody ben, out of the show altogether. I mean I kinda understand that maybe they don't think the audience will buy an 11 year old leading an army, but they could've used that throwaway character from episode three he at least would've been a little closer if they wanted to age him up, instead of someone who is what late 30s? Can't really call them the 'lads' when the leader of the lads is pushing 40.
@@mostlytrue3150 Your right it’s fantasy so it wouldn’t be too mild to see a kid leading an army, because age doesn’t really matter in fantasy stories as shown with Joffrey and Tywin.
People insisting the Greens were on the wrong side so they're the villains... so were Rhaenyra and the Blacks. Fighting a war because your dad said you should be queen and because your great great grandpa had a dream, therefore your burning and killing of innocents in the war will be justified? I don't think that the main takeaway from Fire and Blood should be "war is justified if you have divine right and are motivated by a prophetic dream." It's that neither side is justified in enacting this war on the realm and killing thousands, so nobody was on the right side of this conflict.
I find Aegon both sympathetic and pitiful, and given the change in Alicent's characterization, it doesn't surprise me that that of those she raised would be different as well. Personally, I prefer this version of Aemond. He is loyal to Aegon, but only because they're family. They are not close. So I took his entrance into the battle as "He might as well be useful and keep her still. He'll live.". More indifference than any wish to actually end his brother. Also, I don't think the showrunner's realize what they did with Alicent. By making her that way towards her own children consistently, she's an example of damaged women raising damaged children, so it has further tarnished her in comparison to her book counterpart. She's so bad at genuinely showing affection or giving direction to her sons than one seeks it out in a prostitute and the other doesn't know how to extend it to his own wife after they both lost their son. So, her being the wholesome and constructive influence on them, might have made them the men she laments that they aren't.
I'm not sure what the audience was supposed to take from Cole looking sad at the end. The show didn't really establish any care from Cole to Aegon but I hope they develop it.
Naw, the show is perfectly centering Rhaenyra and Alicent as weak, indecisive, and not cunning enough to make the choices that need to be made, not because they are women, but because they are just as inexperienced and naive as Aegon. By contrast, Jacerys and Aemond seem to be more aware of the moment and are not afraid to act upon good advice from their counselors.
I'm team black all day every day, but I HATE the way the show has portrayed Alicent- ie their reluctance to portray her as anything other than a victim, and her tendency to contradict herself from episode to episode. As I said I'm team black, but I expected to at least respect Alicent (as I did in the books despite detesting her) because she was well written. But I can't even do that because she's a sad joke of her book counterpart. It's a shame. On another note, my favorite part of the episode was the depiction of the dragon bonds. Rhaenys and Meleys is probably the best/strongest I've seen thus far, but Aegon and Sunfyre was very touching as well. I could've gone for more scenes of those two (maybe he grieves the loss of his son/state of his life with Sunfyre since he had no one else) than scenes of Alicent and Criston. Great video.
As a big aemond fan, I wish he had been kept more gray as opposed to the cartoon stock-villain he became in this season. I think he works as a somewhat-sympathetic, humanized gray character. It's more GRRM and more interesting to make the character deep and complex. He says he feels remorse and shows horror at ... and I think I wish they had kept that side of him, while also showing a little inner darkness. But it might come back to the writes being biased towards the Blacks. They made them a lot less sympathetic, likeable, and evil ... including Aemond.
I totally respect your opinion here, and thanks for sharing. I think the important thing to remember about the book is that its meant to be an in world history book written some time after the Dance, and the only two sources available for the dance are a Court Jester and a Septon. Neither were instrumental to the Dance and had serious knowledge with characters intentions and mindsets. The showrunners have said this and have gone on to reiterate that their version of the story cant be considered the absolute truth, because no one knows the absolute truth. As far as Aemond, the book never even states his appearance apart from his hair color and lost eye, much less his intentions and ambitions. I like the tragedy of him being bullied so much as a child that his adult self is a character he puts on to hide his pain. He also is meant to be a parallel to Daemon and Aegon to Viserys, but without any true love like the latter had.
Yes but the court jester was loyal to Rhaenyra and was team black since day one. And yet he has described rhaenyra to do certain acts that were cut out of the show in favour of making Rhaenyra a saint. You could argue that the show is just telling us that the Jester's part wasn't true but then you realise the show adapts all the negative things the Jester said about the green. The show is biased, the writers have even admitted it.
I'm sorry but this argument is disingenuous, especially since the showrunners have taken cues from Mushroom's account - who is the least reliable of all the sources(there are more than two - Munkun and Orwyle for instance). If none of the accounts are reliable, I can say that Rhaenyra was never Viserys' heir and she is in fact the one who threatened Aegon's ascension. See how that works ? I'm seeing the constant use of this "unreliable narrator" argument to defend the terrible writing in the TV show. Rhaenys' awful scene last season is an example of this. Alicent & Criston Cole crowns Aegon II because they feared for their lives...this is a much better motive than "I misunderstood a prophecy one night". Don't use F&B's ambiguity to create actions and motives that don't make sense. All in all, the show's writing is still vastly inferior to the source material.
A great analysis of the episode the show wants to make alicent and rhaenyra seem like decent smart human beings that society is making them weaker because they r women. Like you said though they act with no agency and seem incredibly weak when it comes to waging war.
I feel like the writers are trying to frame the players on the green as villains or less cool, but the actors are so strong that their humanity shines through and we end up with very layered, sympathetic characters. as opposed to the players on the black being written as just straight good people with modern sense of morality, which honestly is turning boring for me. the one character on the black that is remotely interesting right now is the one with inner conflict and is morally grey, daemon. oh the irony.
I did not mourn Rhaenys’ death. She is a terrible advisor and a radical feminist. She murdered innocent commoners who all died in vain. She had the audacity to criticize Rhaenyra’s council who are justified to be angry at their queen’s incompetence. Rhaenys speech stating that the Black council should follow Rhaenyra’s leadership because she wears Jahaerys’ crown is BS. It is the same thing as what Tywin pointed out: “Any[one] who says I am the king is no true king.” Jahaerys was successful not because he wore his golden crown but because of his hard work. The only characters I will mourn for are Rhaenyra’s sons and Haelena.
The difference in comment sections in team black videos and team green one side talking about how the show is green biased with how they toned down team green and the other being team green saying how they toned down team black. Both equally stupid and can’t see the show from a neutral point of view where other teams where toned down heavily and both good traits they had in the books toned down (if they had any at all as it’s written as a history book not a novella) like daemon for example is like the worst character this season and people on both sides hate him atp at least that’s what I’m seeing and for Alicent and aemond they have just been made more complex overall and more enjoyable to watch
The murder of inoccense is death. I did hate moment so (dragonpit) much. It robs Rhaenys of so much, she stupod because of it, and mass murder. Sad think realy as in the books she far cooler. A black hair targaryrn, fighting two dragons killing alomst and buring the king. Also in books she good grandmother.
How can you even make HOTD content comparing the show to the book (Fire & Blood) without understanding the CONCEPT of Fire & Blood? It's an in-universe history book of sorts authored by Archmaester Gyldayn (of Old Town. hint hint: Hightower territory) taken from the accounts of MULTIPLE UNRELIABLE SOURCES with reason to skew events in their own favor. The book tells the reader this over and over. To drive the point home, it even gives multiple versions of some of the events. The show, on the other hand, is us watching the events "actually" unfold, so to speak.
So Corlys being white in the books is actually green propaganda? So Rhaenery having 3 bastards is green propaganda? At this point dragons shooting fire might be green propaganda lmao
I can Makey War... LMAO.. When Aemond was talking to Aegon in Valerian and Aegon could barely speak it.. That was funny.. Aegon torchered Aemond his whole life, right up till he was in that whore house.. Aemond probably hates Aegon more than he did Luke if truth be told...
8:28 Likewise, I really like what they're doing with Daemon at Harrenhal. If ever there was a guy who needed to be confronted with the ramifications of his past actions ... my only concern is that the showrunners may end up doing nothing with it - as in, they'll spend much of the season having him be confronted with visions of his past, and he'll _appear_ to be learning/growing/changing because of it, yet he'll end the season as pretty much the exact same character as he started (in other words, a mini show-Jaime arc) - I hope this doesn't happen, but I think it's reasonably likely, sadly.
Book Aemond: let’s use Aegon as bait. It doesn’t matter if he gets used as a chew toy for Meleys 🤪 Fans: omg Aemond would never let harm come to Aegon 😤
They made a whole plan, sunfyre grapples meyles so she can’t run away, then Vhegar comes and they 2v1 meyles. If she saw two dragon she’d run away unlike the show where she stupidly ends herself for nothing. You make it seem like that never happened and Aemond just uses him for bait. Don’t lie to people.
@@VeniVidiVici100 I just read the chapter to make sure I wasn't losing it. That plan you just described is nowhere in the text. All that's written is that a trap was set for Rhaenys and once she arrived, Aegon and Aemond appeared to attack Rhaenys. None of this "she'd run away if she saw two dragons" was in the book. Why are *you* lying to people? Sure, using Aegon as bait isn't written in the book either but one can assume that they were using themselves as bait to lure out a dragonrider. Getting Aegon, the king himself, to do it is essentially using him as bait. Last thing we know about the battle is that Vhagar crashed into both Meleys and Sunfyre, taking them both out. One can also assume here that Aemond may have taken out Sunfyre intentionally, especially since the moment he puts Aegon's crown on his own head, he says: "It looks better on me than it ever did on him." Also, "ends herself for nothing" in the show? She got Vhagar to crash into their own army. As far as she could tell, she was winning. She went back to confirm Vhagar's end or finish the job. Vhagar just got the jump on her in the end.
Who fucking cares if the show that's based off a bunch of maesters biased accounts isn't exactly like the book. It's almost as if in universe these maesters didn't hear 70% of what was said between the people of these houses.
Brother, is because of this show writers and ewan’s acting that aemond is not universally hatedkkkkkkk, give me a break, his book version is just an edgy asshole anime rival, now is a grey character with actual background acting that way for real reasons
The books are only a retelling from the point of a maester and a servant so its likely the books would be completely wrong about most of the genuine relationships between the characters.
@@devanman7920Because first of all, you're wrong. You never mentioned Septon Eustace, or the fact these sources are only used for parts of the Dance and not the "books" as though there's more than one book. Incidents like Vhagar killing Lucerys were recorded with eye witnesses, and no sources are used at all, implying absolute truth by George.
I think it's important to note that Fire and Blood was written from the perspective of Green sympathizers (save for Mushroom), who would want the Green's to be painted in a positive light in the annals of history. I think it makes much more sense the way Aemond is portrayed in the show, remember what he says towards the end/middle of S1, something like "it is I, the younger brother, who trains with a sword, studies history and strategy, it is I who rides the largest dragon in the world, it is I who should be..." Aemond knows his brother is an incompetent buffoon. He knows he would make the better, more decisive and ambitious ruler.
I think it's important to note that show was written and directed from the perspective of Blacked sympathizing maesters, who would not want the Green's to be painted in a positive light in the hearts of viewers.
Stop saying this useless argument. We're not in real history where we try to find if what an ancient author wrote had his bias but a fiction universe where the author can write what he wants. In reality Martin wrote what he wanted and the way the Dance happened. Some passages are vague but in the end, we understand what happened
@@tywinlannister9391 He wrote it from the perspective of Green sympathizers. How can you not understand that the reality can be very different from a third party biased account of the history? Even in Fire and Blood, all of the perspectives claim different things, obscuring the reality and (if you have working braincells) instill doubt in the reader's mind regarding the legitimacy of the claims therein. Also, stop getting butthurt about people having different opinions than yourself, and don't start arguments with people that are smarter than you either, it just highlights how stupid you are.
Tell us you dont read and follow the actual story without telling us. Per JRR.....the known history was based on the retwlling ovmf events from the maesters. They could have/did lie and twist the actual events.
Fascinating how the maesters only seem to have _"twisted the events"_ when the Black characters are recorded to have done something villainous, but when the Green characters have done villainous things the maesters were accurate and maybe not honest enough (since the show makes the event ten-times worse in such cases). 🤔 Of course, the maesters might've had their biases - I'm not saying that they didn't - but it's not possible that they would've gotten every detail wrong, especially things that the characters did in public. Things such as important battles, character's public personalities and actions, and even their birth-dates would not be details that would be recorded inaccurately. There's no way, for example, that Alicent and Rhaenyra would've been the same age and best friends without that being noted by a maester. Helaena's grief, the relationship between Aegon and his brothers, etc. would not be details recorded inaccurately. Only things that happened in private, behind closed doors, have various accounts because no one can know for sure what happened. And also, I know that you're probably someone that thinks: _"The maesters are biased against the Blacks"_ But if that's the case, then why wouldn't they record Rhaenys bursting through the floor of the Dragonpit and killing thousands of smallfolk??? If the point of the book is to make the Greens look good, then why leave such an important detail out from the story??? 🤔
This excuse is both cringe and dumb dude. Oh, the maesters twisted the events, sure then how about the dance never happened, the maesters poisoned the dragons with blood sausage and rewrote history.
Buddy, you haven't read the books, this comment is stupid. All you've done is heard that the books were biased and went along with it. But I bet you didn't know that the book is also written from the viewpoint of a team black sympathizer.
Yeah, Aegon joining the fight unplanned was definitely a change from the book. But Aemond trying to take out his brother wasn't really a story deviation. Even in the books, with how the fight went it was sort of implied that Aemond wanted to take out his brother. Although Aegon's feelings towards his brother are sort of different in the show, him having a special kind of affection for his brother in the books is based on his perspective . Doesn't necessarily mean Aemond reciprocated it and had that same kind of warmth & affection for his brother. He had a lot of repressed anger for his brother from his childhood. Though I wish the show made it more subtle, whereby Vhagar & Aemond descend upon Meleys and Sunfyre while they are ripping each other apart and they try to take them both out in a way that Sunfyre getting flamed looks like an unfortunate stray. That would give Aegon or other witnesses an eternity to pick up the pieces and figure out Aemonds true intentions. Now Aegon is going to have great animosity for his brother. He clearly knows what his brother was trying to do.
Yeah, if he remembers. I'm assuming slamming into the ground after falling a few hundred feet is probably enough to give you a pretty severe concussion. I'd think that it's a safe bet that aemond gets back to kings landing and his version of the story is more or less what is described in the books, and aegon just figures it's true because up til now he's had no real reason to believe aemond wants him dead.
George himself is not very happy about Blood and Cheese, so I don't think that he is writing the episodes himself. He might give his advise here and there, but he has been very clear about how he's more focused on finishing Winds of Winter than anything else.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Yeah he'll never finish that, Idk why he lues so much about it why doesn't he just comeout and say "I don't want to do it anymore so others are doing it from now on."
If the book is all lies, who is to say that it wasn’t Rhaenyra who actually stole Aegon’s crown or something? It’s only deemed as “propaganda” whenever the Blacks do something bad in it and the Greens are portrayed as somewhat good, while the contrary is always supposed to be the “truth”. Very hypocritical and not even true to to GGRM’s intent
@thecriticalmaester9702 maybe its not book accurate bc the book is GREEN PROPAGANDA, just like this channel. have your ever used your brain and thought of that?
No, but I see that I get a lot of traffic from Discord. I guess some people share my videos on there or recommend my content through there... but no, I'm not on Discord. 😅
The thing is even if Aemond wanted to kill his brother, he wouldn’t be stupid enough to deprive his side of yet another dragon and rider when they’re already severely lacking and in the middle of a dragon conflict.
Sunfyre is the only adult dragon on his side that has a rider willing to help him in the sky, Tessarion is a young dragon akin to Moondancer. So, it makes NO sense for Aemond to outright attack Aegon in the middle of a dragon fight, especially when the dragon they’re fighting is capable of killing Vhagar.
This makes Aemond look so dumb it’s ridiculous, Vhagar cannot win this war alone no matter how big she is, she needs an ally in the sky who can watch her back and is capable of actually killing other larger dragons while her and Aemond take on Caraxes.
My point exactly. The blacks already have more dragons than the greens. Its stupid for Aemond to take Aegon and sunfyre out. They still need to kill daemon as well, who is probably a better dragon rider. Rhaenyra has a large dragon as well. Not to mention the large unclaimed dragons on dragonstone.
The only way I was thinking of them writing it to make sense if they make Aemond so cocky and arrogant that he thinks he can win on his own. He already thinks he would do a better job as King than Aegon. Looking forward to show watchers slowly realizing things were better with Aegon as King of all people. At least he doesn’t murder and betray his family members and cares for the smallfolk.
At this point none of them are rational. And believe it or not Aemond after the brothel humiliation is willing to take out aegon. 1) he thinks he all that with vaghar and 2) he does not beleive that Sunfyre and Aegon could make that much of a difference because aegon is rash, inexperienced and kind of idiotic. Also I want to point out that I don't mind the liberties taken by the show because all the events that took place were told and transmitted, not actual testimonies from characters who has been there.
Exactly it makes no sense, also he attacked his brother in front of thousands of soldiers wouldn't that also have a negative effect on how is perceived everywhere? It's an interesting deviation but it will ultimately fail.
Aegon is not able to support anyone in Dragon Warfare, Aemond knows it but you don"t.
The show wants to portray the greens as the villains, and I don't buy it. This saga is suposse to be about complex characters.
You're absolutely right my lady.
you mean the usurper hahaha
Yes, no black and white, only grey all over.
they playing it safe , they cannot risk doing complex writing . always follow the formula
Wdym they toned them down ?
4:19 Aegon is also a Dragonrider, something the Green's desperately need. He's useless because the show's writers want him to be useless. At the very least he and the dragon would be needed to defend King's Landing, and you'd think somebody on the council would be smart enough to point that out to him if he's feeling useless sitting around, or you can go Alicent style and humiliate your kid whatever. 😂 6:57 I think this too, just because the actor did an amazing job. What I find funny is the show writers clearly want to me hate all the Green's, they've made all of them scum of the earth, but they're so stupid and messed up that by comparison the Black-side is boring to watch. 🤣
At this point, I kinda just want Aegon and Daemon solving spooky mysteries together in Harrenhal. F everyone else!
Lucery was a dragon rider, being one does not make you either a competent warrior, or a political reference so yeah Sunfire does not grant Aegon respect. At the end of the day it has to be earned. Vyseris supplanted his own brother who was a dragon rider it does not mean anything.
@@lobae9638 Being a dragon rider does mean something... Like what are you even trying to say? Dragons are literally the equivalent to nukes in this world. Even a small like Luke's could cause major destruction. And Viserys supplanting Daemon did mean something as it almost caused a civil war.
@@hawks7111 If you have not realized that the iron throne is a political Game as in having nukes only give you dissuasive power ( USA vs URSS) (That's why open dragon war didn't favor either sides, just heavy casualties) then you are just watching for the spectacle.
@@hawks7111 What you just said is probably what Aegon told himself before joining Cole. "I have a Dragon I am important I could do damage, Mom look ! " lol so much goes for strategic thinkingn and impulse control
The show is determined to make everyone on the green side a villain and everyone on the black are saints. No matter what they do.
Oh yes Daemon is a saint
Oh yes Rhaenys is a saint
Dude GRRM was far meaner to the Greens than the showrunners.
Exactly the words going on my head
Daemond is not a saint lmao. If anything Alicent is the most saint washed rn. She’s just so misunderstood and you don’t understand guys it’s everyone else’s fault. Even the choice to usurp isn’t because she’s ambitious like her book counterpart it was because an accident.
Fire & Blood > HotD
BASED.
Dunk & Egg> Fire & Blood> hotD
They simply just take everything good green have and give to black. They gave Sunfyre title to Syrax. They gave Aegon and Aemond relationship to Viserys and Daemon. They gave Aegon's bond with Sunfyre to Daemon. They gonna give Aegon's motivation (protecting his family) to Daemon. They took the love that smallfolk hold for Haelena and Alicent and gave it to Rhaenyra.
Interesting observation. Yeah, the writing is very biased in House of the Dragon. They whitewash Rhaenyra and the Black Faction, while further villainizing the characters of the Green Faction. It's actually very frustrating. 😤
@@thecriticalmaester9702 One thing that I don't know if they do on purpose or not is that normal viewers may think that Rhaenyra is a smart girlboss and Aegon is a stupid losser but it's only people who pay attention to the show can see that it's actually the opposite. It's remind me of Jaime and Cersei. Cersei though that she was smart but she was actually stupid meanwhile Jaime though that he's dumb but he was actually very smart.
Aegon's plans were actually even smarter than Otto at some point. But the problem is that people think that he's dumb so no one listens.
On the other hand the show wants to show people don't care what Rhaenyra think because she's a woman but it's actually because she's stupid.
Aegon is a better rulers than both Rhaenyra and Aemond.
Let's see, Aegon was right about:
1. Considering smallfolks
2. Securing Harrenhal before Daemon builds an army
3. Securing Grover Tully's support after Lucerys' death
4. Burning Gullet's blocade sooner
5. Wanting a dragon to accompany Criston and Gwayne (they could've killed Moondancer and captured Baela)
Meanwhile Rhaenyra just act stupid. Like she just go to kl as if it's a hotel or something or thinking she can fight Aemond. And from what we saw and the leaks, Aemond is nothing but a sadistic tyrant.
The thing that make Aegon stand out is his hunger for love. He wants love and he also have a lot of love in himself. That's why he can be a good king. It's his motivation. Rhaenyra on the other hand have no motivation and is a passive character. And Aemond is the only one who think he should be king, no one else think that about him.
And so Rhaenys died doing what she loved, crushing smallfolk with her dragon
Where are they hinding Alicent "you are the challenge you are the challenge aegon simply by living and breathing you are the King's first born son and what they know holds everyone in the realm knows in their blood and in their bones that one day you will be our King can't trust" Hightower?
Absolutely, I miss that Alicent, who would strike Rhaenyra for her son.
It’s better to make no adaptation to a book than to torture your fans with a shitty one
This. I’ve been suffering deeply. It’s not the actors fault the script is written in crayon by a drooling idiot that can’t be fucked to read the book. He pretends he did but it’s more like he skimmed the dance once and decided he didn’t like that part of the book so he would just ignore all of fire and blood outside of the names and the absolute base line
Preach
But given the nature of the book it would be uneven more unrealistic if it followed the book exactly. Its a retelling from people who weren't present for a lot of the events.
@@devanman7920no man. We see the the black side via Mushroom. Bullshit excuse
@@devanman7920 that doesn't mean there aren't some ideas in the book that were better than the show. I'm so sick of people bringing up that the book is all unreliable narrators as a defense of poor writing. Just because you're not supposed to take it all at face value doesn't mean everything is a lie either
My problem isn’t the changes to the characters it’s the unfair changes that favor the blacks and punish the greens. In the book alicent was a good mom, ageon loved his brothers, and aemond only kin-slayed in a blind rage; all things they changed to make the greens look worse. On the other hand the most villainous member of team black , Daemon, is actively being humanized and it’s showing how he regrets blood and cheese. Rhyaenera is also being white-washed with her motivations not being out of a want for power but to unite the realm against the others.
Not even going mention the utter character assassination of Criston kingmaker.
@@Souplord1 lmfaooooo
@@captainziggy82 I guess if I didn't understand what was going on, I might laugh too, although saying nothing would likely be better.
Go back to One Piece, where you can be spoon fed, like a baby.
@@skeeterfinklage445 lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo lmfaooooooooooooo lmfaooooooooo
:makes Aemond a military strategist and use legitimate tactics:
:also makes Aemond dumb enough that he would take out another dragon and rider on his own side despite already being outnumbered to begin with:
Bro I’m gonna need them to raise Aemond’s confidence to 5000% and make him cocky that he thinks himself and Vhagar are enough to take on the rest of the dragons or he is going to look very stupid. Maybe he doesn’t care, he always thought he would do a better job than Aegon but we know Aemond goes on to do nothing great and just burns villages and towns in the Riverlands with his girlfriend.
the cope is STRONG with this one lol
Also Vhagar managed to sneak her much smaller enemies TWICE so far albeit she’s the largest and slowest dragon. Such a plot convenience to make Aemond an op big bad.
@@lobae9638 ooooof liking your own comment because no one else did
Hopefully they don't transition him into a 1 to 1 version of what he is in the books, because outside of this one decision it doesn't make sense. Even Aemond as a kid is way different in the show than in the books. So far only Season has laid the loose ground work for potential a very cringe transformation with the brothel scene (Alys rivers relationship) and him just going at both Rhaenys and Aegon (which he technically did crash into both, in the books) with Vhagar.
HBO is doing everything to make every green as horrible as possible...
Well....they were in the wrong. Truth hurts huh.
@@dlw2982 Not really
Shut your mouth dude
@@MrVictor1227 yes really, they are on the right side of history but the moral high ground is by far in Rhaenyra's favor. Allicent knows at this point that Viserys was referring to his dream of A Song of Ice and Fire, and still lets the war continue knowing she made a mistake. Also no need to be rude and tell someone to shut their mouth Mr. Keyboard-Warrior. It's a show, a piece of fiction, relax.
If people felt entitled to 50% viability for each side, they missed the points of an unreliable narrator
@@Grogondorf Yeah, no. Viserys broke law by naming Rhaenyra heir, he broke the very law that made him king over Rhaenys, so morally the greens are correct. Rhaenyra is also just as unfit as a ruler as her father was. Having Aegon as king with Otto as hand would have been the best outcome for the realm by far, to say otherwise is insanity.
Book: every character is complex
Show: women good, men bad 😂
They definitely feel like caricatures for the sake of easy drama rather than giving them a competent relationship with complex undertones due to their positions at court.
I try not to think about that stupid quote from season 1 “Rhaenyra is punk rock and Alicent is a woman for Trump” but now with all these changes stacked in favor for Team Black…I can’t help but remember it and cringe so hard 😅
Lol I’m done with the show it’s shot well and has it’s moments but I’ve lost all interest in watching Condells Rhaenyra did absolutely nothing wrong and is muh Qween Girlboss fanficition. I was hoping to see Daeron but honestly now I’d rather not see what Hess and Condel do with him. Honestly I can take most of the changes and a little bias but this is getting ridiculous, every green character is unrepentantly evil and they even call themselves usurpers (despite having an equally good if not better argument toward succession).
Did you even read F&B at fucking all? The show actually makes multiple green characters a lot more sympathetic.. "every green character is unrepentantly evil" This is just flat out false💀
They definitely going to make daeron as Alicent and cristons bastard child 😭
Did you notice that they stressed Rhaenyra would be willing to fly into battle? The show is also inventing new scenarios for her riding her dragon while taking away moments of Aegon flying Sunfyre like after his coronation! It’s so easy to see the bias I’ve noticed casual mainstream recap channels like “New Rockstars” see how unbalanced the show can feel!
You're completely right. Rhaenyra aka "Maegor with tits" became a good queen and Aegon took the mantle as an idiot, illeterate fool who wasn't brave enough to go into battle without alcool.
@@tywinlannister9391 Maegor's TEATS!!!
@@berserk4souls Even F&B is quite clearly bias. The show actually makes multiple team green members more sympathetic.
@@lightvader4618 it did at first but then ruined them WORSE
@@yasmina3999 Just straight up false.. Helaena is wonderful as she always was, Aegon has been humanized a lot in this second season, Aemond gets those vulnerable scenes once in a while, S2 episode 2 made Otto more likable.
I dunno bout you I’ve supported the greens from the start regardless of their efforts 😂
The only reason to side with the greens in the show is medevial mysogyny
@@drrohanjacob i think if they followed tradition and proclaimed the first born son as heir once he was born the whole civil war wouldnt have happened in the first place, just keepin the peace brotha
@@Fraiserson Never mysogyny.
War is perfectly acceptable to tear down the patriarchy.
@@Fraiserson Down with the peace.
War is preferable to a dishonorable peace
They have made the Greens utterly incompetent. it’s funny really because they ran the kingdom while Viserys was sick so you’re telling me they actually do a worse job when the king is dead rather than alive. They are butchering the story of the books, and not only that they make Aegon out to be a fool. In the books they couldn’t talk to him as they do on the show. Especially a Targaryen king I get Joffrey, but you cannot openly disrespect a Targaryen king. They are supposed to be seen as better than everyone else this show takes the mystique away from them.
The Green are having solid plans and again their Rook's Rest plan would have worked completely if Aegon didn't come. The Green were way more incompetent in F&B.. Have you even fucking read it? Aemond was a braindead individual who did every wrong thing possible and cost the green effectively everything due to how dumb he was.
Aemond didn't betray Aegon
Hbo betrayed Aemond , and wated a very good talent like Ewan mitchell he's a very very good actor I like him in the last kingdom
The show is Black propaganda. Feminist propaganda. It's a retcon to further align to contemporary western sensibilities. The race swapping (yes, I'm black and detest tokenism) of the Valerions, the brazen bastardy of Rheanyra's strong boys, the stupidification of Aegon the 2nd... He was no such fool in the original story, all these are blatant retcons to attract a wider audience in today's world. Read the true story from the author's pen in the "Princess and the Queen" released even before "Fire and Blood". Today it's retconned as Green propaganda, but that story was given from 2 perspectives... Grand maester Munken and The scandalous dwarf in the employ of the blacks... 2 views.
Indeed
the funny thing is it seems like they've cut out nettles,a female character who isn't white and why? Oh because the way rhaenyra handles her makes rhaenyra look bad and we can't have that can we?
Something I'm waiting to see is how they will handle the death of Healena. In the books the blood and cheese incident left Healena completely unhinged with sorrow (it's far more psychologically torturous than the show...an uno reverse of sorts btw her sons). She remains out of view and unconsolable after. She commits suicide by jumping onto the spiked walls of the red keep. If the books were green propaganda, they would have blamed rhaenyra but it doesn't. Only the common folk make that wrong conclusion.
In the show, I think they will find a way to blame Aegon and/or Aemond...
About Aemond, I expect him to grow a classic twirling moustache the rate the show is going...
God damn you're dumb.. Aegon was an absolutely drunken fool in F&B as well. In here at least he has a character arc. Also Aemond was a completely one note moustache twirling villain and a completely braindead individual who made every wrong move possible and cost the greens everything. So for you to imply that the show is trying to make Aemond a "moustache twirler" is completely fucking ridiculous since the show had made Aemond have a lot more layers to his character and has made him a lot more sympathetic
I understand that not everything has to follow the books but at least make it make sense. At this point make your own show this isn't even an adaptation anymore
Is Aemond dumb or something? He literally burns the King in front of thousands of witnesses.
I don't really mind changes from source material if those are good changes. But I don't think this is a good one.
Him wanting to kill Aegon doesn't even make sense. Yes Aegon bullied him but Aegon also openly respected Aemond as his best warrior.
You'd think that's enough for at least not wanting to fucking burn your brother alive.
Plus this bullying wasn't even mean-spirited. He was just joking. Yes the jokes were cruel but still jokes. Honestly Aemond went from my favorite to almost Crispin level of bastardy in one fkn scene.
This☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾
The Lannisters had way better reasons to off each other and yet they didn’t
There are things people say that are mean and are passed off as jokes, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t hurtful to the person they’re talking about.
@@bunnystakeovertheworld yeah but that's not the case with Aegon
@@TheHellyeahmen personally don’t like neither but in like 1-3 eps of season 2 aegon was interesting to watch I feel like we seen to little idk
Aemond hasn't done half the horrible things Daemon has. Daemon is far worse a human being than Aemond.
But the bad guy music plays when aemond is on screen 😕
I feel sad for Sunfyre and Meleys, but for Rhaenys the hipocrital... Westeros is a better place now
Rhaenys the Genocidal, you mean. Killed thousands of innocent people and they expect me to shed a tear when she dies. 🙄
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Not for Rhaenys, but for Meleys for sure, the dragon gave everything for her rider she was only following orders, and it made me sad to see her fade away little by little 💔
@@thecriticalmaester9702 a hipocrital, she kill a Lot of people and later speak about prevent a war, Even when she can do it
I didn’t like that they are implying and hinting Aemond will betray his brother.
I didn’t mind them making him a bullied kid with mommy issues but I do mind that they are making him out to be a brother slayer. I have mixed feelings about his accident with Luke. I wouldn’t have minded him being villainous and he is villainous in the books and murdered Luke in cold blood because to him Luke was not family just as he wasn’t family to Luke.
However, he is not kinslayer in the sense that he’d murder or allow harm to come to his own faction the Greens. He is not the kind of kinslayer to murder his brother to become King or look the other way as harm comes to his brother’s way or allow harm to comes his way.
It’s like they’re making the Blacks to be more family oriented versus duty and while the Greens are more duty oriented they aren’t so closed off as a family. Alicent wasn’t as neglectful as a mother the show implies and while the brothers didn’t get along all the time to say the least Aemond and Aegon in the end had each other’s back because they were at war. It also by making this happen makes Aemond more dumb less calculating like they did with Alicent and Rhaenyra. Vhagar is the strongest dragon but against everyone else she can’t stand by herself. The Greens need all the dragons they can get and by crippling them on purpose Aemond is weakening his family
Hated that change. I am also happy about Rhaenys death. She murdered many small folk that day who were innocent and only came because they are told too.
That’s why war amongst the Targaryens is so bad because in the end the realm and the commoners suffer more so than anyone else.
Otto himself was saying open the doors to let the small folk out rather than trap Rhaenys because the debris was harming and killing the innocent people.
I’m curious to see if they will begin to show the Blacks strongest ally, the Velaryons specifically Corlys turn on them slowly because of Rhaenys’s death.
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When aegon was begging his brother to let him run away. He shouldve just let him if he was genuinely that power hungry. This is character assassination at its finest as aegon wasnt especially cruel to him. I mean I’m ngl to you if I caught my sibling at a brothel (which I will never be in one anyways) I would laugh at them as well??? I mean AEGON? The guy who took the blame for aemond when he called Jace and Luke bastards? The aegon who backed up aemond when he started a fight at that dinner scene? The aegon who applauded him when he killed Luke and gave him a seat at the council? This Aegon??? GOD what have the writers done! It’s like they’ve completely forgot what they wrote in season 1
God yes. i miss their brotherly care for each other. They manufactured such gross abuse of each other.
I do want to point out that what I am about to say is directly from what is given to us from the show and I do believe the show manufactured this bad elements to hurt the greens sides, but there are couple of things I would disagree with your statement.
1. Aegon was trying to save his own skin and perhaps his mother with the allegation being shifted onto him, against his will.
2. Aegon does respect Aemond as a tool when he gets older, due to his competence and Vhagar. He literally says he is as loyal as a 'hound'. Even earlier he defends bullying him and calls him a twat, when they were younger.
3. Aemond also had Aegons back in the dinner scene, so that was a more tit for tat thing.
4. If you bullied your brother when he was younger, he looses an eye to the bullies you helped prop up to torment him, you pressure him into loosing his virginity at a brothel at the age of 13 and then after gaining the most powerful dragon in the world and he becomes a menace, clearly despises you for not being worthy of your inheritance and then you decide to mock him in a vulnerable position in the brothel, no shit he would try to find an opening to kill you.
5. Lastly, Aegon's appraisal of Aemond killing Lucerys or building him a statue was cut.
@@spartanoreo5075 Him laughing at the brothel was hardly bullying. I go through that on a tuesday.
@@Ch50304 You get caught nacked in a brothel in your most vulnerable state with the only person you can confide in and laughed at every Tuesday? That's rough.
Aemond is far too smart for what they did to him in ep4 lol. Yes, ambition, okay, but what? Book Aemond is carving his other eye at this, THANK GOD Ewan is an absolute God and he can deliver everything so well cause the story went nuts
This is one of the best, I f not the best channel, right now, related to ASOIAF. I love the dedication to analyze and build thought about the HOTD show, being able to think beyond what's most obvious.
Great, great job
Thank you. Ya’ll don’t even understand how encouraging these words are sometimes 😭💚 Thank you for watching.
The show is really frustrating for me, I see potential for greatness and it even reaches its potential at points but then they do things that leave me going "what the hell" I don't like some of the ways they are characterizing rhaenyra and basically all the greens and there's a lot of things either from what I can see being butchered or are just flat out stupid, it's been a long time since I've been this torn of a show
Thank you, for this video, telling the truth about this show, some people or reactors are just talking about the damn dragons fight, 😡
Watching this video after the finale is actually painful. It was almost like you were alerting us to the smoke.
I don’t think people in the green faction loved each other. The only thing that’s negative is whitewashing the blacks, especially rhaenyra and making her uninteresting. I don’t even know how they’ll kill her with all that plot armour
Always thought that what i infered from aemond's loyalty to his brother was that he knew his brother was hurting because he lost his son ( throigh his killing of luke) that aemond feels responsible. So i infered how he emerged from the battle of rooks rest unharmed as just a conveniant coincidence. Although it wasn't until he engaged maely's that all 3 dragons plummeted. But by virtue of him being a second son he's naturally viewed with suspicion for taking power for himself. Like how maekar knew how he'll be viewed through murdering baelor breakspear even though it was an accident at the tourney if Ashford
The show really likes to push a "throne lust" on characters that didn't really have that in the book. Aemond was not shown in the book as jealous and wanting the throne, nor did he harm his brother in any attempt to claim it either. Daemon has also been given a weird journey of jealousy for the throne while he is off wasting time at Harrenhal and trying to claim the Riverlands in his own name. He was always supportive of Viserys and Rhaenyra in season one, but season two has given him Scar's personality instead. Why? It isn't an addition or improvement. Not every Rogue Prince wants to rule the kingdom, and I don't believe either of these second sons truly wanted to rule the Seven Kingdoms. Both were much happier flying off on their dragons and fighting for their king instead. Daemon maybe BELIEVES he wants to be king, but I don't think he'd be so stupid as to openly commit treason in quest to do so.
The show's changes are not improvements to me. Martin usually proves to be a better writer than the show writers. I wish they'd just follow the book as closely as possible. A lot of the big events are losing spectacle and power when they rewrite them. Without the forced "choice" in Blood and Cheese, how does Helaena find the path to her end? It no longer makes sense. Fleshing out what is already there (as they've done with Aegon) is great. Changing it up entirely is a misstep. "Historical documents written by unreliable narrators" or "Propaganda" isn't a worthy excuse for these changes to the story and characters.
Signed
A Book Purist
Speaking of S02E05, it was almost unbearable to watch by the end.
I couldn't not believe that in just episode we had:
1) a witch scolding a takes-no-bs King Daemon who's happy to beat any accuser, no matter the gender
2) a granddaughter moralizing an extremely proud Lord Colrys
3) Alicent mocking Cole
4) something similar with Rhaenyra, but I don't remember which man she was talking down to
This series has had "men want war and wise women must guide them" motto all along, but suddenly concentration of that stuff went up by 200% and almost all male characters turned reactive/passive instead of proactive.
The only male character still being decisive and not listening to women is... "the villain" Aemond.
I wonder what are the implied conclusions.
Honestly the thing about this episode that grinded my gears the most is that it looks to me like they are writing bloody ben, out of the show altogether. I mean I kinda understand that maybe they don't think the audience will buy an 11 year old leading an army, but they could've used that throwaway character from episode three he at least would've been a little closer if they wanted to age him up, instead of someone who is what late 30s? Can't really call them the 'lads' when the leader of the lads is pushing 40.
If they write him out of the story... 🤦🏾♂
@@thecriticalmaester9702 hes mentioned in the episode right after daemon drinks the tead
Wasn’t Tywin a 60 something during GOT?
@Jerry_Retro yeah but like bloody Ben's whole thing is that he's like 11 years old and somehow also a capable commander in battle.
@@mostlytrue3150 Your right it’s fantasy so it wouldn’t be too mild to see a kid leading an army, because age doesn’t really matter in fantasy stories as shown with Joffrey and Tywin.
Got to correct the record because IT WAS HER TURN
The fact that Rhaenyra's first plan was to go to Rook's Rest herself just increased her stupidity points in my books.
People insisting the Greens were on the wrong side so they're the villains... so were Rhaenyra and the Blacks. Fighting a war because your dad said you should be queen and because your great great grandpa had a dream, therefore your burning and killing of innocents in the war will be justified? I don't think that the main takeaway from Fire and Blood should be "war is justified if you have divine right and are motivated by a prophetic dream." It's that neither side is justified in enacting this war on the realm and killing thousands, so nobody was on the right side of this conflict.
That's certainly what it SHOULD be saying, but it's falling into a clear villain/ hero showdown, which is definitely not what fans want.
Only Difference is, the Greens are far more siuted to to rule
I find Aegon both sympathetic and pitiful, and given the change in Alicent's characterization, it doesn't surprise me that that of those she raised would be different as well. Personally, I prefer this version of Aemond. He is loyal to Aegon, but only because they're family. They are not close. So I took his entrance into the battle as "He might as well be useful and keep her still. He'll live.". More indifference than any wish to actually end his brother.
Also, I don't think the showrunner's realize what they did with Alicent. By making her that way towards her own children consistently, she's an example of damaged women raising damaged children, so it has further tarnished her in comparison to her book counterpart. She's so bad at genuinely showing affection or giving direction to her sons than one seeks it out in a prostitute and the other doesn't know how to extend it to his own wife after they both lost their son. So, her being the wholesome and constructive influence on them, might have made them the men she laments that they aren't.
That's the whole point of the series to make Alicent an opposition to Rhaenyra.
I'm not sure what the audience was supposed to take from Cole looking sad at the end. The show didn't really establish any care from Cole to Aegon but I hope they develop it.
It would make more sense to ambush 1 dragon with 2 dragons rather than 1. Even if he's a big boi
They aren’t ready for this conversation lol
Naw, the show is perfectly centering Rhaenyra and Alicent as weak, indecisive, and not cunning enough to make the choices that need to be made, not because they are women, but because they are just as inexperienced and naive as Aegon. By contrast, Jacerys and Aemond seem to be more aware of the moment and are not afraid to act upon good advice from their counselors.
The show ìs proving Otto right lol
My man, love your analysis. It is a real shame your channel hasn't been picked up by the algorythm, you are spitting FACTS!
I'm team black all day every day, but I HATE the way the show has portrayed Alicent- ie their reluctance to portray her as anything other than a victim, and her tendency to contradict herself from episode to episode. As I said I'm team black, but I expected to at least respect Alicent (as I did in the books despite detesting her) because she was well written. But I can't even do that because she's a sad joke of her book counterpart. It's a shame. On another note, my favorite part of the episode was the depiction of the dragon bonds. Rhaenys and Meleys is probably the best/strongest I've seen thus far, but Aegon and Sunfyre was very touching as well. I could've gone for more scenes of those two (maybe he grieves the loss of his son/state of his life with Sunfyre since he had no one else) than scenes of Alicent and Criston. Great video.
As a big aemond fan, I wish he had been kept more gray as opposed to the cartoon stock-villain he became in this season. I think he works as a somewhat-sympathetic, humanized gray character. It's more GRRM and more interesting to make the character deep and complex.
He says he feels remorse and shows horror at ... and I think I wish they had kept that side of him, while also showing a little inner darkness.
But it might come back to the writes being biased towards the Blacks. They made them a lot less sympathetic, likeable, and evil ... including Aemond.
I totally respect your opinion here, and thanks for sharing. I think the important thing to remember about the book is that its meant to be an in world history book written some time after the Dance, and the only two sources available for the dance are a Court Jester and a Septon. Neither were instrumental to the Dance and had serious knowledge with characters intentions and mindsets. The showrunners have said this and have gone on to reiterate that their version of the story cant be considered the absolute truth, because no one knows the absolute truth. As far as Aemond, the book never even states his appearance apart from his hair color and lost eye, much less his intentions and ambitions. I like the tragedy of him being bullied so much as a child that his adult self is a character he puts on to hide his pain. He also is meant to be a parallel to Daemon and Aegon to Viserys, but without any true love like the latter had.
Thank you ! A more sensible take on this book accuracy obssession
Yes but the court jester was loyal to Rhaenyra and was team black since day one. And yet he has described rhaenyra to do certain acts that were cut out of the show in favour of making Rhaenyra a saint. You could argue that the show is just telling us that the Jester's part wasn't true but then you realise the show adapts all the negative things the Jester said about the green. The show is biased, the writers have even admitted it.
I'm sorry but this argument is disingenuous, especially since the showrunners have taken cues from Mushroom's account - who is the least reliable of all the sources(there are more than two - Munkun and Orwyle for instance). If none of the accounts are reliable, I can say that Rhaenyra was never Viserys' heir and she is in fact the one who threatened Aegon's ascension. See how that works ? I'm seeing the constant use of this "unreliable narrator" argument to defend the terrible writing in the TV show. Rhaenys' awful scene last season is an example of this. Alicent & Criston Cole crowns Aegon II because they feared for their lives...this is a much better motive than "I misunderstood a prophecy one night". Don't use F&B's ambiguity to create actions and motives that don't make sense. All in all, the show's writing is still vastly inferior to the source material.
You’re extremely gullible to believe that. The show changes many things that aren’t debatable, making it another universal entirely
Oh my god, this is so wrong. Condal literally called his HOTD the "objective" version of events.
Awesome video also first can the one true king get a pin
A great analysis of the episode the show wants to make alicent and rhaenyra seem like decent smart human beings that society is making them weaker because they r women. Like you said though they act with no agency and seem incredibly weak when it comes to waging war.
0:11 Aemond killed as many members of his as Maegor and Daemon.
I feel like the writers are trying to frame the players on the green as villains or less cool, but the actors are so strong that their humanity shines through and we end up with very layered, sympathetic characters. as opposed to the players on the black being written as just straight good people with modern sense of morality, which honestly is turning boring for me. the one character on the black that is remotely interesting right now is the one with inner conflict and is morally grey, daemon. oh the irony.
I did not mourn Rhaenys’ death. She is a terrible advisor and a radical feminist. She murdered innocent commoners who all died in vain. She had the audacity to criticize Rhaenyra’s council who are justified to be angry at their queen’s incompetence.
Rhaenys speech stating that the Black council should follow Rhaenyra’s leadership because she wears Jahaerys’ crown is BS. It is the same thing as what Tywin pointed out: “Any[one] who says I am the king is no true king.” Jahaerys was successful not because he wore his golden crown but because of his hard work.
The only characters I will mourn for are Rhaenyra’s sons and Haelena.
The Daemon part i do think is interesting. Only time will tell whether its good or bad.
The difference in comment sections in team black videos and team green one side talking about how the show is green biased with how they toned down team green and the other being team green saying how they toned down team black. Both equally stupid and can’t see the show from a neutral point of view where other teams where toned down heavily and both good traits they had in the books toned down (if they had any at all as it’s written as a history book not a novella) like daemon for example is like the worst character this season and people on both sides hate him atp at least that’s what I’m seeing and for Alicent and aemond they have just been made more complex overall and more enjoyable to watch
Dude is following his own headcanon, Alicent is never described as cunning in regards to court politics lmfao
The story doesn't need to say it, it's implied through the text. Read more carefully, bro.
HOWEVER
The murder of inoccense is death. I did hate moment so (dragonpit) much. It robs Rhaenys of so much, she stupod because of it, and mass murder.
Sad think realy as in the books she far cooler. A black hair targaryrn, fighting two dragons killing alomst and buring the king.
Also in books she good grandmother.
How can you even make HOTD content comparing the show to the book (Fire & Blood) without understanding the CONCEPT of Fire & Blood? It's an in-universe history book of sorts authored by Archmaester Gyldayn (of Old Town. hint hint: Hightower territory) taken from the accounts of MULTIPLE UNRELIABLE SOURCES with reason to skew events in their own favor. The book tells the reader this over and over. To drive the point home, it even gives multiple versions of some of the events. The show, on the other hand, is us watching the events "actually" unfold, so to speak.
So Corlys being white in the books is actually green propaganda?
So Rhaenery having 3 bastards is green propaganda?
At this point dragons shooting fire might be green propaganda lmao
I can Makey War... LMAO.. When Aemond was talking to Aegon in Valerian and Aegon could barely speak it.. That was funny.. Aegon torchered Aemond his whole life, right up till he was in that whore house.. Aemond probably hates Aegon more than he did Luke if truth be told...
I agree that all the fans of team blo doesn't realize rhneraya is incompetent...only aemond..and otto are fit to actually rule in my opinion
8:28 Likewise, I really like what they're doing with Daemon at Harrenhal. If ever there was a guy who needed to be confronted with the ramifications of his past actions ... my only concern is that the showrunners may end up doing nothing with it - as in, they'll spend much of the season having him be confronted with visions of his past, and he'll _appear_ to be learning/growing/changing because of it, yet he'll end the season as pretty much the exact same character as he started (in other words, a mini show-Jaime arc) - I hope this doesn't happen, but I think it's reasonably likely, sadly.
Is very clear by now that the show wont follow the books word by word so why keep complaining about it.
virginity probably
Book Aemond: let’s use Aegon as bait. It doesn’t matter if he gets used as a chew toy for Meleys 🤪
Fans: omg Aemond would never let harm come to Aegon 😤
Thank you!
They made a whole plan, sunfyre grapples meyles so she can’t run away, then Vhegar comes and they 2v1 meyles. If she saw two dragon she’d run away unlike the show where she stupidly ends herself for nothing.
You make it seem like that never happened and Aemond just uses him for bait. Don’t lie to people.
@@VeniVidiVici100 I just read the chapter to make sure I wasn't losing it. That plan you just described is nowhere in the text. All that's written is that a trap was set for Rhaenys and once she arrived, Aegon and Aemond appeared to attack Rhaenys. None of this "she'd run away if she saw two dragons" was in the book. Why are *you* lying to people?
Sure, using Aegon as bait isn't written in the book either but one can assume that they were using themselves as bait to lure out a dragonrider. Getting Aegon, the king himself, to do it is essentially using him as bait. Last thing we know about the battle is that Vhagar crashed into both Meleys and Sunfyre, taking them both out. One can also assume here that Aemond may have taken out Sunfyre intentionally, especially since the moment he puts Aegon's crown on his own head, he says: "It looks better on me than it ever did on him."
Also, "ends herself for nothing" in the show? She got Vhagar to crash into their own army. As far as she could tell, she was winning. She went back to confirm Vhagar's end or finish the job. Vhagar just got the jump on her in the end.
@@krissuyxwhat are you even saying? Did you not understand the comment I made?
@@VeniVidiVici100 I disagreed with your interpretation of the book events. I thought I made that clear.
So much so for “wE’rE mAkInG tHe ViEwERs SwItCh SiDeS tHiS sEaSoN” 🤡🤡🤡
Who fucking cares if the show that's based off a bunch of maesters biased accounts isn't exactly like the book. It's almost as if in universe these maesters didn't hear 70% of what was said between the people of these houses.
Brother, is because of this show writers and ewan’s acting that aemond is not universally hatedkkkkkkk, give me a break, his book version is just an edgy asshole anime rival, now is a grey character with actual background acting that way for real reasons
The books are only a retelling from the point of a maester and a servant so its likely the books would be completely wrong about most of the genuine relationships between the characters.
Common brain dead take
@@bub6010 how?
@@devanman7920Alicent is older then rhenrya, they were never friends. It requires one ounce of logic.
@@devanman7920Because first of all, you're wrong. You never mentioned Septon Eustace, or the fact these sources are only used for parts of the Dance and not the "books" as though there's more than one book. Incidents like Vhagar killing Lucerys were recorded with eye witnesses, and no sources are used at all, implying absolute truth by George.
@@Wallace43266 GRRM literally said the show is the real canon so every single argument you have has absolutely nothing to stand on
I think it's important to note that Fire and Blood was written from the perspective of Green sympathizers (save for Mushroom), who would want the Green's to be painted in a positive light in the annals of history. I think it makes much more sense the way Aemond is portrayed in the show, remember what he says towards the end/middle of S1, something like "it is I, the younger brother, who trains with a sword, studies history and strategy, it is I who rides the largest dragon in the world, it is I who should be..."
Aemond knows his brother is an incompetent buffoon. He knows he would make the better, more decisive and ambitious ruler.
I think it's important to note that show was written and directed from the perspective of Blacked sympathizing maesters, who would not want the Green's to be painted in a positive light in the hearts of viewers.
Stop saying this useless argument. We're not in real history where we try to find if what an ancient author wrote had his bias but a fiction universe where the author can write what he wants. In reality Martin wrote what he wanted and the way the Dance happened. Some passages are vague but in the end, we understand what happened
@@tywinlannister9391 He wrote it from the perspective of Green sympathizers. How can you not understand that the reality can be very different from a third party biased account of the history? Even in Fire and Blood, all of the perspectives claim different things, obscuring the reality and (if you have working braincells) instill doubt in the reader's mind regarding the legitimacy of the claims therein. Also, stop getting butthurt about people having different opinions than yourself, and don't start arguments with people that are smarter than you either, it just highlights how stupid you are.
@tywinlannister9391 you realise martin himself makes this argument right??
@@hoosting1998 he's just butthurt cause he's team green, dw about it
Tell us you dont read and follow the actual story without telling us. Per JRR.....the known history was based on the retwlling ovmf events from the maesters. They could have/did lie and twist the actual events.
Fascinating how the maesters only seem to have _"twisted the events"_ when the Black characters are recorded to have done something villainous, but when the Green characters have done villainous things the maesters were accurate and maybe not honest enough (since the show makes the event ten-times worse in such cases). 🤔
Of course, the maesters might've had their biases - I'm not saying that they didn't - but it's not possible that they would've gotten every detail wrong, especially things that the characters did in public. Things such as important battles, character's public personalities and actions, and even their birth-dates would not be details that would be recorded inaccurately. There's no way, for example, that Alicent and Rhaenyra would've been the same age and best friends without that being noted by a maester. Helaena's grief, the relationship between Aegon and his brothers, etc. would not be details recorded inaccurately. Only things that happened in private, behind closed doors, have various accounts because no one can know for sure what happened.
And also, I know that you're probably someone that thinks: _"The maesters are biased against the Blacks"_ But if that's the case, then why wouldn't they record Rhaenys bursting through the floor of the Dragonpit and killing thousands of smallfolk??? If the point of the book is to make the Greens look good, then why leave such an important detail out from the story??? 🤔
This excuse is both cringe and dumb dude. Oh, the maesters twisted the events, sure then how about the dance never happened, the maesters poisoned the dragons with blood sausage and rewrote history.
Buddy, you haven't read the books, this comment is stupid. All you've done is heard that the books were biased and went along with it. But I bet you didn't know that the book is also written from the viewpoint of a team black sympathizer.
Yeah, Aegon joining the fight unplanned was definitely a change from the book. But Aemond trying to take out his brother wasn't really a story deviation. Even in the books, with how the fight went it was sort of implied that Aemond wanted to take out his brother. Although Aegon's feelings towards his brother are sort of different in the show, him having a special kind of affection for his brother in the books is based on his perspective . Doesn't necessarily mean Aemond reciprocated it and had that same kind of warmth & affection for his brother. He had a lot of repressed anger for his brother from his childhood.
Though I wish the show made it more subtle, whereby Vhagar & Aemond descend upon Meleys and Sunfyre while they are ripping each other apart and they try to take them both out in a way that Sunfyre getting flamed looks like an unfortunate stray. That would give Aegon or other witnesses an eternity to pick up the pieces and figure out Aemonds true intentions. Now Aegon is going to have great animosity for his brother. He clearly knows what his brother was trying to do.
Yeah, if he remembers. I'm assuming slamming into the ground after falling a few hundred feet is probably enough to give you a pretty severe concussion.
I'd think that it's a safe bet that aemond gets back to kings landing and his version of the story is more or less what is described in the books, and aegon just figures it's true because up til now he's had no real reason to believe aemond wants him dead.
Isn't GRRM co writer of the show he decided to go this way its like forget the book this is a new story
He went on to Dunk and Egg.
The changes probably peaved his fat rear end off
George himself is not very happy about Blood and Cheese, so I don't think that he is writing the episodes himself. He might give his advise here and there, but he has been very clear about how he's more focused on finishing Winds of Winter than anything else.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Yeah he'll never finish that, Idk why he lues so much about it why doesn't he just comeout and say "I don't want to do it anymore so others are doing it from now on."
@@malekiththeeternityking5433The Winds of Winter will release within the year. It is known.
Wow never seen such a bunch of crybabies mad that the propaganda history book isnt being followed perfectly by the show
Its trash, cope more.
If the book is all lies, who is to say that it wasn’t Rhaenyra who actually stole Aegon’s crown or something? It’s only deemed as “propaganda” whenever the Blacks do something bad in it and the Greens are portrayed as somewhat good, while the contrary is always supposed to be the “truth”. Very hypocritical and not even true to to GGRM’s intent
@thecriticalmaester9702 maybe its not book accurate bc the book is GREEN PROPAGANDA, just like this channel. have your ever used your brain and thought of that?
THE FUCKING BOOK SECOND HAND TELLINGS YOU INGRATE MOUTH BREATHING TAINT WEASLE
Womp womp gerge rr Martin already said book and show are different like different universe of same story so nope team black loser show is not canon
@@PSLGODSEdits9775then why are you all mad if the show isn't canon just stop watching and do something you really enjoy.
@@OriginalPetr have to shut up black losers who think show is canon and book is not 😂
@@OriginalPetrBecause Condal claims it's the objective account lol
@@PSLGODSEdits9775 u sound like a 9 yo
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