DCS: F-16C Viper | New HARM Position Modes
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- In the next update for the Viper, we will introduce two new submodes for the Position mode for the AGM-88C HARM. These are the Equation of Motion (EOM) and Pre-Briefed (PB) submodes. Both new submodes allow greater engagement range and loft angle assists. Additionally, EOM allows potent off-axis HARM engagements.
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“Hey everyone” : the sentence that everyone eagerly awaits in DCS community 👍
Nononon, the proper sentence is "Hey everyone, wags here from Eagle Dynamics"
When you try to learn about the new HARM modes but your head is in the CLOUDS
C L O U D S
Was that a NF reference?
@@johanmlgaard6444 no it was a C L O U D S reference
@@CakePrincessCelestia try that high settings in a crowded mission and both mfds on camera visuals like tgp and agm65 wpn pages and see your fps drops to 20 :)
That Big Bird Magnum was sweet
I got a big bird for you...
Nice! We need all the viper love we can get for Digital Cloud Simulator!
I want to just quit my job and give your modules the time, attention and dedication they deserve. Feel like I’m just not doing them justice at all!
Me too
Clouds! They're everywhere!!!! It looks amazing... like someone photoshopped the DCS F-16 cockpit into a picture! Amazing work 👍 Its a big step forward for DCS.
Drools at clouds, just hope we don't need an RTX 3080 to run them!
Glad I got 3060 ti ready. Hope it would be enough
@@jibcot8541 while someone is hoping they won’t need 3080, I hope that 3090 is enough to run these clouds on highest settings with decent fps in VR. I’m sure you won’t need 3080 just as you don’t need it now but as the saying goes you get what you pay for. Have you seen MFS2020 clouds on lowest settings? That’s what I’m talking about.
@@RUS38 we both know that's not going to happen. Even im 2.5.6 there is no way to get max settings with 3090 OC in VR.
@@freemandiy I’m not saying absolutely everything maxed out. I’m talking about clouds in this case. But will see what they bring by the end of the year.
Ah yes the new -clouds- HARM position modes! Jokes aside great job as always, can't wait!
I love your videos, Wags! Your voice and tone is just so easy and nice to follow and understand. Just love it! :)
Hell Yeah! Don't stop doing tutorials/videos! They are GREAT, short, on point and entertaining!
Glad you like them!
"Hey Everyone"....missed this youtube greeting so much!! Thank You Wags
The. Clouds are one of my most excited feature can’t wait to run through them. Great to see the viper slowing coming together
Great video as always. Thanks Matt. Kind regards Nick
HARM modes look like a great upgrade for the Viper. Have to say though, with the new clouds DCS looks AMAZING. Outstanding work by the ED team!
These clouds look much better than the FS2020 ones. Next thing would be a denser mesh of the ground, to make rocks choppy at low altitudes. It all slowly enter into a realm of photoreal.
Theoretically possible with quadtree rendering and optimization, but I can imagine this would be put on the backburner upon Vulkan API implementation makes it to us.
@@ioverfl0w or dynamic tesselation which would be perfect for hires ground.
@@norman191000 i think the latter would be more memory consumptive, quadtree rendering is overall more mathematically sound and efficient.
We missed your voice Matt. Can't wait for the onslaught of new feature videos coming over the next few weeks in preparation for 2.7.
Thanks!
The second magnum is a work of art
With all the clouds, we probably need jdam. Great work.
Let's call it for what it is. Want. We probably *want* the JDAM. HARM doesn't need to visually identify it's target, it homes in on radar emissions, so saying we *need* JDAMs because of clouds in a video about HARM HAS sub-modes is a moot point.
Yes, clouds are going to make LGBs and Mavericks more difficult to use in situations where clouds are both dense and numerous, however that doesn't mean LGBs and Mavericks are going to be "literally unplayable" as the common mantra seems to be at the moment. JDAMs certainly can be a more accurate strike option, especially in inclement weather, but they aren't desperately *needed*. I want JDAM too, so I can enhance my mission types in all weather conditions, but it's not there yet - and this version of the F-16 is primarily a "Wild Weasel" aircraft, so it makes sense to focus on the systems that make it what it is: a SEAD jet *needs* HARM modes (which we're getting soon) and HTS (which is still being worked on, as I understand). So I get why the F-16 doesn't have JDAMs yet (key word). As frustrating as it might be for some.
There are a few ways you may be able to mitigate environmental obscuration: getting below the clouds is the best option - provided it doesn't put you in range of terrain (obviously), AAA or MANPADS. If that can't be achieved, second best (for laser guided munitions) is JTAC (or buddy) lasing though this only works if the cloud base is high enough for the munition to acquire the guidance laser and allow for adjusting its flight path several seconds prior to impact if needed. The third option is to come in from another angle (depending on threat/TOT), or wait for a break in the clouds (assuming they're not static).
These are things that have been done by real pilots in active warzones, such as Afghanistan, Iraq and to some extent in Syria. A good example for flying below the cloud base comes from an A-10 pilot assigned to a CAS mission at night/low light and in inclement weather. He did a TedX talk, pretty inspiring stuff. - th-cam.com/video/5WtQqKrbmKc/w-d-xo.html
You can still use laser/IR, you just have to *fly* your aircraft creatively until we eventually get JDAM. It'll make you a better sim-pilot too.
@@Cailean556 hi, thanks for a long reply on my comment; still want them. As a military veteran worked in both Irag and Afghanistan, i know it’s still able to function. But still want them. ED, thanks for hard work.
@@Elvinsilvester Yeah, I have a habit of doing that. If I'd left it at the first two lines and the last line, it seemed confrontational or accusatory (which wasn't the intended outcome) so I added context. At least, you're saying "want" now, instead of "need". :P Me too, just the latter not the former. Just have to be patient for JDAMs.
@@Cailean556 no problem! It was more kind off a joke, as everyone talked about the clouds; but Dutch translation to English isn’t always perfect grammar. Understand your point of view. Have a great day! 👍🏽
Are we gonna see a rework of the Steerpoint System come with this too?
Currently every waypoint is treated equally, but in the actual F-16 certain steerpoints have different functions (Navigation, bullseye, HSD lines, markpoints). Pre Planned Threat steerpoints would be really useful with the HARMs in POS mode. Every SAM threat on the HSD has its own steerpoint assigned to it, which means you don't need to make a steerpoint on every single SAM you might want to shoot at.
this would be glorious
Give it some time and im sure it will be implemented (as long as the block 50 has those features!)
god damn military technology is amazing
Viper love! It’s great to not watch the harm dive to the ground. Can’t wait for these!
Cannot wait to see those clouds in vr
Don't forget the mossie video matt ! ;)
Clouds ! can't wait. Great to have new modes to mash SAMS. my favorite activity. Thanks Wags.
Those new clouds are beautiful!!!
I've noticed much better fps and less AA artifacts than in previous videos. It's looking very promising!!!!
I’ve missed hearing that voice. It’s been too long!
Screw that clouds, gib us HTS to feel real Wild Weasel powah)))
Nice work Mags.
Thanks for sharing
👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Nice, is it me or that cockpit looks polished! ;D
Yes, I thought I saw something different about that cockpit. The very first impression that hit my eyes
@@ernestwinslow7316 in the latest newsletter they said something about a new cockpit reflection system they’re working on for new modules, that will later be also be added to the already existing ones
I figure that I'm going to end up flying around enjoying the views for a while, I'll come out of low level so I can enjoy the clouds and some stunning modules.
you have a new graphics card, dont you :D + im very happy for the F16 updates :) keep em coming
Give us those beautiful clouds Matt!!!
Wow. Amazing detail.
omg ... those clouds ... sorry going off topic ... i just got goosebumps
I bought the F-16 module and the Harrier module when I got my NLR flight stand for my X56 and Logitech pedals. Haven't touched DCS in a month. Hopefully I can get back in this Spring Break since Philippines ruined my annual vacation by disallowing tourism.
So the purpose of each sub-mode in POS is:
EOM: Off-axis shots very close to selected steer point with certain signature
RUK: Shooting at any SAM (with selected signature) in a ~10 mile radius of steer point from far away
PB: RUK + Higher probability of kill at high altitude due to loft function
HAS: Determine relative position and type of SAM in the area to shoot at
Specifically, is the only time to use PB over RUK mode when you are at high altitude and can take advantage of loft shots?
Cloud update on fleek
Can't wait to play around with this stuff
Does anyone know if DCS simulates magnetic deviation? (not be confused with variation/declination) I couldn't find this information anywhere and I'm very curious because it is a problem when determining the course using a magnetic compass.
Any news on the IADS module?
"Hey everyone, today I'm going to give you a sneak peak of the upcoming AH-64D Apache Longbow. Let's get started." :D
Eagerly awaiting those words.
This sentence has sounds
Can't wait!!!
when will we get a new video about new hornet features，like ATFLIR targeting pod？
*Those clouds though.*
Looks great (clouds and harm) , what about the rest of the DED pages?
Love the clouds - any indications of the release of 2.7 yet, please?
Those clouds, my god
Thanks, great academics prep! Wags, have you gotten a chance to use/ fly with the FSSB by Realsimulator?
If not, I’d suggest you give it a try - pretty awesome.
Would love to see some videos of the Mossie!
They are coming :)
@@MattWagner Great news. I'll await eagerly!
Sorry, cant learn anything with that clouds... im in shock
Quick question, how has development on better flight dynamics for the harm been coming along?
Боже мой, да нам плевать уже на самолеты с их системами!!! Нам нужны облака!!!! Они такие пушистые, мягонькие....хотим просто лечь на них, закинуть руки за голову и плыть по небу.
Wags: "Hey everyone, in the upcoming update we will add {feature_x} to {module_y}"
Half the comments: "Still no {feature_z} for my {module_a}, what's taking you so long?!!"
Glad I bought the Viper, Hornet and Tomcat -- And they will be soon getting new upgraded C-L-O-U-D systems.
Love it! But: What SA10 will let you get that close?
I admit I´m here to check out the clouds
Haha, what a jerk! Like I am excited to see the HARM! Video of clouds! Oh, the HARM stuff was cool too. :)
5:30 you were waiting to get shot down lmao
"Hey everyone" = update is getting close. Maybe next week, maybe not, but start getting excited.
patch status is still "to be announced"
@@Zarma4074 31.03
Nah be a one month or more I say.. after Wags starts uploading videos its around the 1-2month mark
I have a question redarding these updates since I am quite new to DCS, will these module updates also be available for the stable version, or would I need to switch to open-beta in order to get them?
Looks at those clouds! No way my GPU can handle this game now!
When is the new cloud coming in?
Don’t know if anyone can help me with this, but playing multiplayer the other day I was having to edit blank steer points in order to use any of the POS modes, since I can’t set them in advance in the mission editor - unless I’m missing something? I am still quite new to the sim.
Problem is, whenever I set the steer points, they’d work as steer points just fine, leading me to the correct location.
But the second I set up the HARMs, the steer point would move to somewhere completely different - selecting the weapon on the MFD would move the steer point.
I can’t figure out why this was happening, but I can only assume it was due to me editing a blank steer point rather than setting one in the mission editor, maybe the random move was to try and mark N0000000 E0000000?
But in multiplayer, editing blank steer points is all we can do, right?
So is it a bug? Or is the realism of the sim actually making HARM POS modes useless in a multiplayer environment?
Hey Wags! Those clouds are looking amazing, but I have a kinda dumb question. When you were pitching up for the first HARM launch, you said you were waiting for 24 miles. How did you know when you were at 24 miles? I didn’t see anything on the HUD
down right
@@Zarma4074 not in A/G mode
The launch angle indicator is awesome. The launch belongs in r/oddlysatisfying.
When are we getting PB mode for the HARMs in the Hornet?
Next Hornet update.
@@MattWagner Sweet!
How to attack radars, that are not in the table list?
I mean the HARM's are cool... but can we maybe get to see moaR of those clouds?
Where is that SA-10 site in Syria??? Ive never seen it
just waiting for that vulcan api
Where is the Supercarrier update? It's been almost a year....
Any timeframe on when PB mode for HARMs in the 18 will be coming. I want some sweet sweet 80 mile hits.
Subject of next video. Thanks.
@@MattWagner Perfect, thanks ED and Matt.
At least DCS got something right that X-PLANE to this day cannot get right by default clouds the blooody clouds!!!
I tried to concentrate on this video twice. I just saw clouds though.
What about DL mode ?
Wags. Clouds. Happy.
Couldn't learn a thing. My head was on Cloud Number 9 :)
Are the sand dug in positions around the big bird radar static objects? Or are they terrain as part of the syria map?
Part of the terrain, there are lots of sites with these kinds of revetments
Did not learn anything. I was just starring at the new clouds !. I can't wait till they release.
Soooo you have a beta release for a reason. Should there be an alpha build we need for those clouds?
YAY
Yet cool videos 🥺
Waggy baby, gib hind brutha
2.7 When? After what patch of patch that patch the last patch?
Clouds!
So now the F16 pilot is just an UberDriver for the HARM .
Great
Couldnt understand it fully as the clouds covering my mind....
good job :)
Two more ways to HARM enemy air defences :)
so how do you do it!
is that the new clouds??
Yes
"Hopefully this SA-10 will light us up" ... ?!
Is no one else noticing the cockpit looks slightly different? Wider almost like Falcon 4.0 Allied Force
These new clouds are just HOT SH*T!!!
clouds looking fleek
I was hoping for the HAD. Oh well.
HAD will come later with DL/HTS. Thanks
More viper work please
Looks great! Though with the clouds, it appears they are completely static and don't move or evolve. Is this something that will change in the future?
yes, just start nitpicking even before the release.
@@norman191000 Except that he is correct. The clouds are not tied to the weather engine yet. This release is just to nail the looks of the clouds. Sensors and AI are not affected by the clouds as well.
@@Golden5er everything is a process, they did a great job with the first step. It is easier to write a yt nitpick than to implement voxel clouds into a 15 years old engine.
@@norman191000 it was not a nitpick, but a genuine question. Bignewy helpfully answered it on the discord and clarified that clouds do move currently, and the impression in this video is an arteract of active pause and no wind. None of what I wrote was an insult or nitpick, DCS is by far my favourite simulator and has been so for the past 7 years.
So high angle off boresight harm shots, sure why not lol
Whats that A6M doing there?
I'd have zero issues with this. One day perhaps.
@@fenny1578 oh you. :P