I’ve seen a difference mostly at night / low light and in color accuracy. Big improvement in skin tones. Textures negligibly sharper in footage I got yesterday but they improved other stuff equally if not more noticeably. Thank you for your continued testing and hard work!
You're the best brother, love your simple and thorough content! Can't wait for you to get that 100k button brother! I moved from NYC to Portugal so we can collab easier now....lol Cheers brother!
@@PhillipSkraba Rising bitrate by itself will give you nothing, it will only help if that was a bottleneck to begin with, if not you can render video with 1 Gb/s bitrate, but quality and details will stay the same. I have an old Lumix who puts out 100 Mb/s at 4k and that video is much, MUCH better than what comes out of my GoPro at ~200 Mb/s
I really don’t get why everyone was crying about this who have never tried it for themselves or even seen any issues until a couple people started to complain about it. You could make these people the best tasting pie they’ve ever tried.. but if you tell them it wasn’t made the certain way they like it.. they’ll all of a sudden act like it wasn’t the best tasting pie ever. These tech heads need to get their faces out of the spec sheets and they need to get out being creative. Okay, artistic old man rant over.
Absolute rubbish! As a GoPro user who buys every model and become less happy with the model changes i was looking at the 5 Pro… the fact it had less bitrate on release than the 4 this was a factor in not buying! Bitrate is a huge factor for users who are far less worried about battery life and want quality as the most important factor… these cameras (including the GoPros) are able to shoot at 200mbps so give us that and not 4 hour battery life specially when trying to sell an adventure pack with 3 batteries… 2 of which we will never use in most shoots!
Well, now people have the option… but a banana can have 200mbps, it doesn’t really mean much. Much like megapixels, doesn’t man anything. You’ve also got to remember that both the Ace Pro and Action 5 Pro use larger sensors than the GoPros, there are a lot of factors at play, the biggest one - go create with whatever you have.
@@4scottishdogs what you fail to realize is that every camera, sensor, and processor is different. You guys get caught up in tech specs instead of formulating your own opinions and looking at the actual image quality. GoPro is far behind on outdated ohyscial components so they have to use higher nitrate.
@@cammackeyI totally get that… the point I am making is that with any ‘newer’ model of camera it should at least match all the specs of the previous model so in this case the 4… if I was wrong and dji thought they were right why are they making this firmware? And again these cameras are capable of 200mbps and the only reason we don’t get that is the relevant manufacturer trying to find a balance between battery life and potential heat issues…
I only noticed a tiny difference after stopping the video at the 200% crop and looking at the larger vertical tree trunks. I'll continue to use the standard bit rate. I am waiting for further improvements in the flat/HDR sky. I would love a slider option on the HDR setting where you could dial back the HDR effect to maybe 20%. It would be nice to be able to adjust it to your liking depending on the scene including the ability to turn it off completely.
The “high bitrate” is still very low for 4K at 10 bit, specially when you want faster speeds. My Ace Pro (8 bit color) has >130 Mbps and the video quality on a big OLED TV is astonishing (for this kind of camera). Bitrate is very important to maintain fine details, textures and even further on action cams due to very fast movement (motorcycle or biking, jumping, etc) and on low light (which I do a lot).
@@PhillipSkraba it depends on the scene/movement, compression algorithms and final product. If you take a video and display it directly, it may be good; but if you add it to an editing app and it will be compressed again at the end, the result will be suboptimal! If a video is to be edited, the original quality should be as good as possible: you will probably add transitions, some effects, eventually crop a little etc. If the video is already borderline acceptable, the end result will be bad. That’s why it matters. Log out 10 bit with a low bitrate is much worse than 8 bit with a good bitrate IMHO.
All talk about battery life.... With the new update and the higher bitrate, there is not much battery life left. In addition, it now overheats after a very short time
I was previously thinking I'd need to change up my OA3 of late . I'm not too fussed now . Why dji brought out such a sloppy new release is a surprise, And I've been a huge fan to date , owning two OA cams
I think all the cameras this year did very little steps forward, but I don't think these cameras are aimed at people looking to upgrade, but rather at new buyers. The same thing with the iPhone 16 Pro Max, it's just a tiny upgrade, but it's still a step forward, in the right direction. GoPro is great, and they started this whole thing, without them who knows if we'd even have action cameras.
not sure it was youtube compression, but there was a point where all of a sudden the clouds became more detailed. at around 4 mins on standard and 7 mins on high bitrate. it seems like when there was less detail in the picture (less trees) or just the clouds knew they were being filmed and wanted to look good. but i have a feeling its a bitrate issue, youtube or DJI i cant tell
I honestly didn’t have a problem with the standard bitrate, I made this video for you guys to decide for yourselves if there is a difference. I think the camera is great, and good that DJI carries on adding to it.
To be honest, I'm really not a fan of shooting photos with action cameras, it feels so awkward, so I didn't give it a try, no. I'm guessing the quality is still great.
I went for action 4 adventure combo . I am upgrading from hero 7 . Which lasted 7 years. Much better value action 4 in my opinion and the software on that has matured. That’s my personal decision.
The difference is more (action 5 will cost 500 zoltay but you are getting 2 extra batteries and that extension stick with 4. May be wait for Black Friday and see if there are deals .
I can say i did a few videos before i updated then after…i did not notice any real changes in the quality at all.i rendered the videos in 4k and side by side they looked the same.
Is it me or is that cloud and grass like retard levels of saturation like hdr? Can you fix that at all without heaps of post work? Does the camera have a profile inbuilt to get rid of it?
Yeah hard to tell on this isn’t it, was good anyway. I guess youtube compression won’t help that, but you’ve seen the files straight from camera. I would like to stick it on the Avata2 again to test it that way, but the motors really don’t seem to like it and I feel like I’m putting it through agony. 😅
@@PhillipSkraba My experience with the A2 + this is a weird one. So out of quite a few flights, 2 have been ok. Every other time I tried, there’s a mad wobble and not very nice noise. Like its unflyable. And that’s whilst giving it some beans in manual, its not even worth trying for me in GPS. But then I’ve seen people like Dobo do it and didn’t seem to have the same problem that I know of! Its fine without the action cam on it. 😅
@@PhillipSkraba Yeah man! I’m using the Sunnylife mount also. Haha I’m nowhere a big enough creator for that, but there are some nice perks still through the good people at DJI Hasselblad UK. 😅
Well, from what I can see on your channel, you are consistent, and that pays off. Keep on at it, in my first year I wanted to quit 50 times, happy I didn't.
bitrate is not nearly that important if they have increased efficiency on their compression algorithm. The air 3S is a lower bitrate and it looks phenomenal. Which proves they've been working on this.
The Air 3S can almost hit 100km/hr in FCC mode, that thing is fast as lightning! I mainly fly my drones in Sports Mode, pedal to the metal, or at 1m/s 😂
I hope you see this. After the update, my video are getting rec at 50k bitrate instead of 80k, in the old one I was able to rec at 80k bitrate, but after the bitrate, it's messed up.
@@PhillipSkraba yeah, like can you look it in yours? Or did I make any mistakes? Even for 4k, it's rec kn 60k max 🥲. NGL that's why people trust DJI. So that they fan betray us.
@@PhillipSkraba Ayo buddy, so for 1080p@60, it use 50bitrate, but for 45@60 it uses 100, mb, sorry for the poor knowledge I have, learning the action cam still xD.
Still bad image quality compared with A4... i regret buying this one...details in they sky are bad, also in the trees...too much Hdr effect and alot of artifacts...
There is not much difference between standard bitrate and high bitrate videos. I am disappointed with the lack of detail compared to the previous version.
Im more disappointed in their slow motion, it’s not stabilized, and is unusable if the camera is moving around. My old go pro 10 did way better with that.
I only use that option, which you have to 20% in editing to playback in 120fps. The slow motion mode is basically a ready recipe so you have footage which is already slowed down, I don't need that and prefer the quality from normal video mode.
Loads of people losing their minds about it not having 100mb/bit rate while the vast majority don’t know what it means in real terms and unlikely seeing any real difference.
My issue with A5 is the HDR , it's horrible no matter what bit rates, even with the new firmware update. My samsung s23 ultra hdr looks waaaaay better. I'm might return this A5. They should also give us the option to turn off hdr. Dji hello fix this.
Its still too low, for 4K you need at least minimum 120mbit/s even with h.265 otherwise you will still see artifacts especially in fast action movements like fpv.
At the moment the highest bitrate is on the Ace Pro, then GoPro, but I’m not sure about the Action 5 Pro, I need to ask my DJI contact what the max is now. I’m guessing 100mbps.
I'm glad they got the bitrate issue sorted out with the new firmware. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, the bitrate is higher, good thing that.
I’ve seen a difference mostly at night / low light and in color accuracy. Big improvement in skin tones. Textures negligibly sharper in footage I got yesterday but they improved other stuff equally if not more noticeably. Thank you for your continued testing and hard work!
I’ll need to test that out tomorrow evening in that case with my other camera. Thanks!
This makes the Osmo action 4 a more attractive option.
The Action 4 is still a very good camera.
You're the best brother, love your simple and thorough content! Can't wait for you to get that 100k button brother! I moved from NYC to Portugal so we can collab easier now....lol Cheers brother!
Thanks!
Thanks for this demonstration it's helpful.
You're welcome, thanks!
Yeah, i see some difference, standard is a bit painful in the eyes for me, high bitrate is softer in my eyes. Good comparison video thank you
I can't see anything, maybe I'm just old. Thanks!
On the right side is less leaves ;) and free space on memory card after. To be honest I see no evil. Nice compare.
Yes, hard to see the difference, however the technical info from the original files shows it’s been raised from 50mbps to 90mbps, so that’s good news.
@@PhillipSkraba Rising bitrate by itself will give you nothing, it will only help if that was a bottleneck to begin with, if not you can render video with 1 Gb/s bitrate, but quality and details will stay the same. I have an old Lumix who puts out 100 Mb/s at 4k and that video is much, MUCH better than what comes out of my GoPro at ~200 Mb/s
@cdjxwubcyex yep, I fully agree.
I really don’t get why everyone was crying about this who have never tried it for themselves or even seen any issues until a couple people started to complain about it. You could make these people the best tasting pie they’ve ever tried.. but if you tell them it wasn’t made the certain way they like it.. they’ll all of a sudden act like it wasn’t the best tasting pie ever. These tech heads need to get their faces out of the spec sheets and they need to get out being creative. Okay, artistic old man rant over.
Absolute rubbish! As a GoPro user who buys every model and become less happy with the model changes i was looking at the 5 Pro… the fact it had less bitrate on release than the 4 this was a factor in not buying! Bitrate is a huge factor for users who are far less worried about battery life and want quality as the most important factor… these cameras (including the GoPros) are able to shoot at 200mbps so give us that and not 4 hour battery life specially when trying to sell an adventure pack with 3 batteries… 2 of which we will never use in most shoots!
Amen old man, I’m 110% with you on this one.
Well, now people have the option… but a banana can have 200mbps, it doesn’t really mean much. Much like megapixels, doesn’t man anything. You’ve also got to remember that both the Ace Pro and Action 5 Pro use larger sensors than the GoPros, there are a lot of factors at play, the biggest one - go create with whatever you have.
@@4scottishdogs what you fail to realize is that every camera, sensor, and processor is different. You guys get caught up in tech specs instead of formulating your own opinions and looking at the actual image quality. GoPro is far behind on outdated ohyscial components so they have to use higher nitrate.
@@cammackeyI totally get that… the point I am making is that with any ‘newer’ model of camera it should at least match all the specs of the previous model so in this case the 4… if I was wrong and dji thought they were right why are they making this firmware? And again these cameras are capable of 200mbps and the only reason we don’t get that is the relevant manufacturer trying to find a balance between battery life and potential heat issues…
I only noticed a tiny difference after stopping the video at the 200% crop and looking at the larger vertical tree trunks. I'll continue to use the standard bit rate. I am waiting for further improvements in the flat/HDR sky. I would love a slider option on the HDR setting where you could dial back the HDR effect to maybe 20%. It would be nice to be able to adjust it to your liking depending on the scene including the ability to turn it off completely.
What mount are u using ? is it secure on the car ? Has the mount Ever failed you ?
The DJI Osmo mount, no, never failed, it’s excellent.
@ what’s the difference in this one and smallrigs version ?
Nice and light. Purchased one to replace the ace pro which was too heavy.
Too heavy for what? You must have trouble when you go to the shop for sugar 😂
The “high bitrate” is still very low for 4K at 10 bit, specially when you want faster speeds. My Ace Pro (8 bit color) has >130 Mbps and the video quality on a big OLED TV is astonishing (for this kind of camera). Bitrate is very important to maintain fine details, textures and even further on action cams due to very fast movement (motorcycle or biking, jumping, etc) and on low light (which I do a lot).
Yes, I agree, a high bitrate is important in many situations, but to be honest I didn’t notice it was low to begin with.
@@PhillipSkraba it depends on the scene/movement, compression algorithms and final product. If you take a video and display it directly, it may be good; but if you add it to an editing app and it will be compressed again at the end, the result will be suboptimal! If a video is to be edited, the original quality should be as good as possible: you will probably add transitions, some effects, eventually crop a little etc. If the video is already borderline acceptable, the end result will be bad.
That’s why it matters. Log out 10 bit with a low bitrate is much worse than 8 bit with a good bitrate IMHO.
All talk about battery life.... With the new update and the higher bitrate, there is not much battery life left. In addition, it now overheats after a very short time
I'm guessing it'll almost half it, which is more than acceptable.
160minut a nezastavila se 😊
I was previously thinking I'd need to change up my OA3 of late . I'm not too fussed now . Why dji brought out such a sloppy new release is a surprise, And I've been a huge fan to date , owning two OA cams
Sloppy? I think it’s a great action camera, I don’t get the fuss.
I agree with you. This cameras is far from sloppy. Go Pro is sloppy. Calling a camera sloppy because of a -2 bit rate but improve on all other specs.
I think all the cameras this year did very little steps forward, but I don't think these cameras are aimed at people looking to upgrade, but rather at new buyers. The same thing with the iPhone 16 Pro Max, it's just a tiny upgrade, but it's still a step forward, in the right direction. GoPro is great, and they started this whole thing, without them who knows if we'd even have action cameras.
not sure it was youtube compression, but there was a point where all of a sudden the clouds became more detailed. at around 4 mins on standard and 7 mins on high bitrate. it seems like when there was less detail in the picture (less trees) or just the clouds knew they were being filmed and wanted to look good. but i have a feeling its a bitrate issue, youtube or DJI i cant tell
I honestly didn’t have a problem with the standard bitrate, I made this video for you guys to decide for yourselves if there is a difference. I think the camera is great, and good that DJI carries on adding to it.
@@PhillipSkraba just waiting on ace pro 2 to see if thats any good, but you know the answer to that question already
@@ironworkscrawley I kind of do, yes.
Thats looks ok
It does! It looked okay before too. All the moaners forced DJI’s hand for this update, I’m sure of it.
@@PhillipSkraba agreed. Have you tried to capture still images with this new firmware? Any difference than olr version in still images?
To be honest, I'm really not a fan of shooting photos with action cameras, it feels so awkward, so I didn't give it a try, no. I'm guessing the quality is still great.
@@PhillipSkraba i tried Action 4 in new york it was good enough for quick street photography
@@TechTalksWithArmani Oh yeah, I'm sure it is, and I've shot fashion with it for fun, but my experience is that it feels awkward.
Warto brać Action 4 Adventure Combo czy raczej Action 5 Pro Adventure? Różnica w cenie to obecnie około 500 zł. Warto tyle dopłacać?
Ja bym bral Action 5 Pro osobiscie, uwazam ze warto doplacic.
I went for action 4 adventure combo . I am upgrading from hero 7 . Which lasted 7 years. Much better value action 4 in my opinion and the software on that has matured. That’s my personal decision.
The difference is more (action 5 will cost 500 zoltay but you are getting 2 extra batteries and that extension stick with 4. May be wait for Black Friday and see if there are deals .
I can say i did a few videos before i updated then after…i did not notice any real changes in the quality at all.i rendered the videos in 4k and side by side they looked the same.
I do feel somewhat the same, I noticed very small differences here and there but basically it still looks good.
Is it me or is that cloud and grass like retard levels of saturation like hdr? Can you fix that at all without heaps of post work? Does the camera have a profile inbuilt to get rid of it?
Well, what I want is the option to turn hdr off as sometimes I feel it’s a little too much!
@@PhillipSkraba man all footage I've seen seems like that too. Seems like a bit of a deal breaker almost?
Yeah hard to tell on this isn’t it, was good anyway. I guess youtube compression won’t help that, but you’ve seen the files straight from camera. I would like to stick it on the Avata2 again to test it that way, but the motors really don’t seem to like it and I feel like I’m putting it through agony. 😅
haha I might stick it on the Avata 2 and give it a whirl in the forest. It is hard to tell the difference though, yes.
@@PhillipSkraba My experience with the A2 + this is a weird one. So out of quite a few flights, 2 have been ok. Every other time I tried, there’s a mad wobble and not very nice noise. Like its unflyable. And that’s whilst giving it some beans in manual, its not even worth trying for me in GPS. But then I’ve seen people like Dobo do it and didn’t seem to have the same problem that I know of! Its fine without the action cam on it. 😅
@LowryDroneography-Steve I’ll try it out, worst case scenario DJI will send me a new one 🤞🏻
@@PhillipSkraba Yeah man! I’m using the Sunnylife mount also. Haha I’m nowhere a big enough creator for that, but there are some nice perks still through the good people at DJI Hasselblad UK. 😅
Well, from what I can see on your channel, you are consistent, and that pays off. Keep on at it, in my first year I wanted to quit 50 times, happy I didn't.
bitrate is not nearly that important if they have increased efficiency on their compression algorithm. The air 3S is a lower bitrate and it looks phenomenal. Which proves they've been working on this.
Yes, the Air 3 was 130mbps max and the Air 3S is 100mbps max and it looks fantastic.
that because the Air 3S usually moves much slower than an action cam
The Air 3S can almost hit 100km/hr in FCC mode, that thing is fast as lightning! I mainly fly my drones in Sports Mode, pedal to the metal, or at 1m/s 😂
I hope you see this.
After the update, my video are getting rec at 50k bitrate instead of 80k, in the old one I was able to rec at 80k bitrate, but after the bitrate, it's messed up.
Really? That is odd!
@@PhillipSkraba yeah, like can you look it in yours? Or did I make any mistakes? Even for 4k, it's rec kn 60k max 🥲. NGL that's why people trust DJI. So that they fan betray us.
On mine it's as shown in this video, 50 standard and 90 high at 4K 25fps.
@@PhillipSkraba maybe cuz of fps it's happening? Like I prefer 60 fps. Will try, & update you if possible.
@@PhillipSkraba Ayo buddy, so for 1080p@60, it use 50bitrate, but for 45@60 it uses 100, mb, sorry for the poor knowledge I have, learning the action cam still xD.
High bitrate only for fpv drones etc. normal scenario doesn’t need high bitrate
Yes, in most cases that is correct.
Still bad image quality compared with A4... i regret buying this one...details in they sky are bad, also in the trees...too much Hdr effect and alot of artifacts...
I wish we had the choice to turn off hdr.
@@PhillipSkrabahdr automaticly turns off when you freeze certain ISO. Not range like 100-800, but one like 100. Try it
Call me blind but I was peeeeepinnnggg like crazy. If there was any difference, I failed to notice it from this footage. Very close in quality.
Yes, very similar but we can sleep like babies knowing it’s now 100mbps or more.
@@PhillipSkraba hahahaha….agreed Skraba!
There is not much difference between standard bitrate and high bitrate videos. I am disappointed with the lack of detail compared to the previous version.
Not much at all, no.
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Ahh Jesus!
Im more disappointed in their slow motion, it’s not stabilized, and is unusable if the camera is moving around. My old go pro 10 did way better with that.
It is if you use normal video mode in the same settings, and it records sound.
@@PhillipSkraba thanks, I see the option for 120 fps in regular video mode have to try it out in the wild..
I only use that option, which you have to 20% in editing to playback in 120fps. The slow motion mode is basically a ready recipe so you have footage which is already slowed down, I don't need that and prefer the quality from normal video mode.
To be honest i dont see any difference at all 😂
It’s a tough one.
Loads of people losing their minds about it not having 100mb/bit rate while the vast majority don’t know what it means in real terms and unlikely seeing any real difference.
Well, I think it’s maxed out at 100mbps now, so good news. Yes, I don’t get the fuss. Content is what people should be concentrating on, not specs.
A4 still looks better than this one...i regret buying it...
I like it, I really don’t feel the bitrate is a problem, even in standard bitrate with 8-bit it’s fine.
hardly see any difference
Hardly at all, yep.
BUT IN SETTINGS IT SAYS THAT ONLY THE HIGH BIT RATE IS AVAILABLE IN SUPER NIGHT AND SLOW MOTION. DOES IT APPLY FOR THE NORMAL VIDEO??
Please control your caps lock. Yes, high bitrate is for video too.
My issue with A5 is the HDR , it's horrible no matter what bit rates, even with the new firmware update. My samsung s23 ultra hdr looks waaaaay better. I'm might return this A5. They should also give us the option to turn off hdr. Dji hello fix this.
That is all I want from this camera, the option to turn off hdr, yes.
10-bit DLOG does this, no?
Looks the same
Same Same.
Its still too low, for 4K you need at least minimum 120mbit/s even with h.265 otherwise you will still see artifacts especially in fast action movements like fpv.
At the moment the highest bitrate is on the Ace Pro, then GoPro, but I’m not sure about the Action 5 Pro, I need to ask my DJI contact what the max is now. I’m guessing 100mbps.
@@PhillipSkraba 120 mbps for 4K60
Yes, I'm sure the higher frame rates will max it out at 120mbps or a little more.