Yeah...........OK, Im not going mad. Lag seems to be, largely, a thing of the past, with dual turbos.......(one small, one large) and more refined engineering. But back in the 80s\90s.........a turbo'd car could be slower than its regularly aspirate counterpart (due to lag) until that turbo '' kicked in '' at 4k revs or whatever, and then you got this HUGE surge of power. Now the power is more consistent throughout the rev range. A lot of turbo cars you dont notice you have a turbo........other than the fact its faster than it otherwise would be.
Hands down, Matt Farah, you need to go to Puerto Rico!!! The car scene down there is OUTRAGEOUS! Some of the fastest, craziest and odd cars in the world are in PR. I promise you that you wont be disappointed
I drove a 550WHP Evo and it was the fastest car I’ve ever driven. I can’t imagine how crazy this monster has to be. Built Evo’s can definitely be scary fast
No, they are 1.8-2.0L 4 bangers with very large custom turbos. 1233bhp on all 4 wheels, and torque in the same range. just look for Bobamotoring on youtube
He tuned a bunch of those Golfs, he himself owns that 1233hp one, his friend owns that 1150hp drag golf, other videos show 900+hp Golf's doing well over 200Mph on the highway, the list goes on. everything they touch turns from Golf to Gold
Come to The Philippines please, we have a great car enthusiast community here. From, Euro/American/Japanese. Hell even public transport have custom builds, not necessarily in the performance department lol.Nice snaky roads with fantastic scenery, roads with no tarmac (fun) and we happen to have a couple of race tracks and an airfield for drag :)
This Evo is jaw-dropping, but... I want to commend you guys on the outro of this video - it reflects the Panama series of videos as a whole, extremely well-directed in terms of camera shots, commentary and soundtrack. Great work, Tuned team :)
From the Garrett website FAQ "Boost threshold is the engine speed at which there is sufficient exhaust gas flow to generate positive manifold pressure, or boost." "Turbo lag is the time delay of boost response after the throttle is opened when operating above the boost threshold engine speed. Turbo lag is determined by many factors, including turbo size relative to engine size, the state of tuning of the engine, the inertia of the turbo's rotating group, turbine efficiency, intake plumbing losses, exhaust backpressure, etc." So I guess all you keyboard engineers know more than Garrett about turbochargers.
As an evo driver and someone from the Caribbean I'm really glad to see you not only finally feature an Evo but one from Central America (which isn't too far off geographically speaking). I'm glad you're showing cars outside of North America. Seeing this vid reminded me of home (Trinidad & Tobago) which also has rhd car and some very impressive builds. And much like Panama there's little room to let such cars out. You've got to love the evo. It's amazing what you can squeeze out of the 4G63 when properly built. I'm glad the owner gave credit to Collin @ Toxicfab. He's one of the most talented and hard working welders in the market.
Thanks Matt for thinking outside box (and working with what you had) JF thanks for letting them try something new & unique. Take care guys can't wait to see the next car on Tuned and the next country Drive visits! Great series on Panama guys!
What about a bit of snow in Drive too? Would love to see Musto maybe get out of his confort zone and do some kind of crazy rallying... Or Chris Harris talk about tuner cars... Or Matt doing an historic endurance race :) I feel like it could be fun to reverse the roles you guys have, for just one episode of each serie :)
loved the panama series guys, for everything falling apart around you, you guys managed to make one hell of a trip out of it and 3 great videos to boot. keep it up, cant want to see more
I can understand why you would want this car. So you can escape from the cops quicker, when you're doing random drive by shootings. Or just running people over. And I'm sure Brucie would shit bricks.
Cool three parter, the school bus was most interesting. Don't get me wrong, 900 hp evo with drag chute... nice, but ridiculous fast cars we have plenty in the US. A 100 mph school bus with smoke stacks? more please.
noeljf I didn't say Panama -- I didn't specify any country. You think N/A V8's making 900hp are rare? You've never been to the drags, have you? Guys spend $5,000 and have a 1,000hp naturally aspirated monster under the hood, that runs their cars in to the 7 and 8 second ranges.
BloodstainedSinner i go to drags all the time, and rally sprints, nothing wrong with a 4 cylinder... you've obviously never experienced what having lots of boost is like... the v8s are too smooth... where the power delivery on giant turbo'd cars is fun! 3000hp on the street your bound to die if you push it.. so the lancer evolution proves to be the viable option here. if your going to try be a tall poppy go show us your car on drive then
BloodstainedSinner your notspending 5gs for 1000hp all motr v8 build unless on a usual. port work, head work, decking the surface, boring the block, valve jobs, gurdle adjustements, valve ajustments alone are over 5k alone lol.
BloodstainedSinner I'm spending a pretty penny on my Subaru to just make some decent HP. I could have built a fast V8 with the money I've invested but I see no point in it since I would just be like the other guys around my area with their Mustangs, Camaros, Transams. Not many Subarus around Nebraska so we are more noticed than the muscle that looks just like the other muscle. Don't get me wrong, I like muscle cars also but I wanted to go a different route and show people the what Imports can be.
This show would be *a lot* better if they actually showed off the car more instead of him just driving it. Let us see the engine, interior, mods, etc..
Rentta lol, I'm from germany, and I have to totally agree that you scandinavians create the craziest, non-textbook builds in the world. Lancia Supra, Blacksmoke Merc Wagon, KRB Audi and Lotus ... I could fill a page with examples
Turbocharger lag ("turbo lag") is the time required to change power output in response to a throttle change, noticed as a hesitation or slowed throttle response when accelerating as compared to a naturally aspirated engine. This is due to the time needed for the exhaust system and turbocharger to generate the required boost The boost threshold of a turbocharger system is the lower bound of the region within which the compressor operates. Below a certain rate of flow, a compressor produces insignificant boost. This limits boost at a particular RPM, regardless of exhaust gas pressure.
Hey /Drive, I live in Germany and while we actually don't have coffee as good as Panama, we do have some quite good beer. ...and things like ///M, AMG, nice products from Zuffenhausen and of course the Autobahn. So pass by if you want! You're always warmly welcome!
You know you can buy the coffe from Panama and Colombia (which is even better) in big cities like Munich so no problem. Also Beer is the best (together with czech beer) i agree :)
brilliant!!! seeing a big guy like that, whose driven countless super/hyper cars tremble in fear ... really shows how much of a monster "The Myth" can be ...
I agree, it's very theatrical. Feeling the boost slowly build and getting pushed forward is a nice feeling. Even on engines with small turbos that have next to no lag.
I have a dodge stealth RT that I LOVE to drive. Twin turbos on a nice sized v6, it's even all wheel drive. It's a blast reving to red line and dropping my clutch at 7000 rpms and NOT spinning tires lol. The engine was designed with the turbos so there's no blowoff noise, it gets circulated back into the intake. No one takes this thing seriously, they laugh and joke until those turbos kick in lol.
Anders Kristensen I could, but there's 2 things stopping me. The set up as it is is more efficient, it recycles the blowoff air back into the intake and it's called a stealth, why would I want others to hear those turbos blowing off? I like that it's unassuming. For starters like 95% of people don't even know wtf a stealth is, let alone know how fast it is, or that its twin turbod. The looks on peoples faces when they say stuff like "wow that's way faster than I thought it would be" is music to my ears.
Lee Peffers Your car is a rebadged Mitsubishi 3000GT, branded as a Dodge for the US market. I wouldn't really call it a sleeper. It looks like a sports car. Nice engine.
I noticed a lot of people bitching about Matt getting Turbo Lag wrong but it's hardly a big deal as most people get it wrong and now he has it right! Most people confuse a high Boost Threshold with Turbo lag including most auto journalists. Turbo lag is NOT what most people think it is. What most people think is Turbo lag is a high Boost Threshold (just as Matt said!) and Turbo lag is something different. Almost everyone who knows the basics of turbocharging gets this wrong but who can blame them when EVERYONE calls Turbo Lag something it's not. Turbo lag is harder to explain but it's usually measured when you're above the boost threshold and making rapid changes to throttle position. You may let off throttle quickly and get right back on it within a second or less, say during a fast turn while correcting. During these fast throttle changes you may still be maintaining a high engine RPM and be above normal boost threshold. Only during these fast throttle changes is Turbo Lag the issue and not when you're pedal to the metal, off the line, waiting the the turbo to initially spool up and build boost. That's the boost threshold, not Turbo Lag. That's what most people confuse. I'm not an expert by any means but I hope that explanation helps anyone who actually reads it. Too many people who barley know the basics of turbocharging are acting like experts and that's the point. Since most people confuse this and almost everyone gets turbo lag wrong, no one knows it's wrong.
No no man I totally understand I didn't know it was that bad woah. One thing I do know about AUS is that blow off valves are illegal and I find that highly distrubing man haha
I've only seen a couple people on the internet call it a boost threshold. Everyone I know calls it lag. "I went with a smaller turbo because it has a lower boost threshold," says no one. "Boost threshold" makes it sounds like the bottom end can only handle X amount of boost.
Ehal256 his explanation is wrong lol he still doesn't know what it is.. lag is the time in which it takes the turbo to build up enough pressure to provide boost.. running 50 psi is obviously gonna take a long time.. so the waiting waiting waiting is the lag.
"...There is no way 900hp is going to stay together during this shoot..." Well, that's because unlike a lot of dreamers and tuner-douches out there, this guy is among a relative slim few who actually did EVERYTHING to make that engine actually able to handle the power.
C.mon! Are you trying to say that the guy pulled out the Evo 7 engine & dropped it in the Evo 8? Do you know the differences of an Evo 7 from an Evo 8? Fenders, quarter panels H-pillars, windshield angle, etc..... are not "bolt-ons"! Ever heard of a "full blown Evo race car? Maybe you're just a "RISER" not a "Tuner". Did you also know that the Evo 8 was released 2 years after the Evo 7 came out, because of the European Standards? The Evo 8 is a more refined engine compared to the Evo 7! Jeesh! Are you a Mitsu club member? Think before you speak, man!
Jose Eriberto Pacquing I'm just going off of what he said but thanks for the education lesson and no I'm not a RICER and I'm not a mitsu club member either but I appreciate the answer
this may be my favorite videos that you guys have ever done and ive been watching since garage 419. you should do one quarter of the year with traditional tuned and a second quarter making an alex roy/ anthony bourdain type traveling series that also shows a bit of your interactions in these places with the rest of the smoking tire crew
By the sound of it this evo has no Anti-lag so how the hell could you have a turbo that size at 50psi with almost no lag? If you had more room to test the car you would notice it.
High compression pistons help reduce lag. Depending on the type of turbo they're using, the turbine wheel weight and material can reduce lag as well. There are more factors than size and pressure levels on which lag is dependent.
I'll add my way of wording it: Turbo lag is the "wait" after flooring it before you get the fun-fun turbo hit (the point when you've hit and passed the "boost threshold" - ie. 4,400RPM's in 4th - as in - you're "in boost"/above 0 PSI/positive pressure) if that makes sense! :)
It's an Evo 8. JUST SAYING >.> The Evo 7 had a Full black grille and not the little triangle in the middle for the logo..... C'mon can't you read Roman???
I KNEW IT!! Check out "Mellon Racings 900hp EVO" on youtube. Says "Gary's EVO", it's red, and it also has 900hp. I seriously doubt there's another guy named Gary with a red EVO running 900hp. lmao.
I'm confused. They keep saying Evo 7, but everything screams Evo 8. The spoiler is an 8 and the trunk badge says Evolution VIII. All I see are JDM Evo 8 parts (headlights, tail lights, rear bumper with OEM diffuser, etc). If you have a legit 7, why hide it behind 8 styling? The 7s look better in my opinion too. Between the spoiler, rear and front bumper, the all red tails, that shit is sexy.
Such an insane engine.... its still streetable, yet if you break it down each cylinder of this car makes 225hp.... 1 500cc cylinder and piston create the same total power output of my mustangs 5000cc 8 cylinder engine at 225hp. Very very impressed.
Isn't turbo lag the time you are waiting for the exhaust pressure to reach a level to boost turbo or turbos once you have put your foot down? Or have I been living a lie all these years???????
Go to Jamaica, there are rally courses and Integra Type-Rs as far as the eye can see. Just don't go to far from the resorts areas unless its necessary.
Eh too much of a drag car for my taste, put a smaller turbo setup on it and up the displacement a little settle on like 600hp so the "boost threshold" is lowered a lot. And have a much more fun street car.
Dear /Tuned and /Drive: I am a 19yr old student who has been looking to start a build for 3 years now. What I have done so far is get a 93 hatch back Fox body mustang shell. Which I know sounds like a stupid thing to start, I had an idea that I thought would be the ultimate tuner car. As I boy, and all my life in fact I was into cars. Weather it was hot wheels to my dads 03 SVT cobra. Ive always had a deep passion for them. One day in a car book I saw a 88 Mustang Gt, but it was different, It looked nothing like the one my dad owned or what I saw at the mustang round up. It had a body kit that make the car look like something amazing. It featured a tall spoiler inspired by a Superbird, yellow and orange and it just, stuck in my mind forever. When I was 16 I looked around online until one day I saw a body kit, called the Wings West Dominater. It was the picture of the car I saw when I was a boy. after seeing it I started looking into how people made these and what they all did with them. Eventually I came up with the idea of my dream car. I imagine a Mustang 93 Gt hatch back with a WW Dom body kit, mineral gray paint and a Flat black line wrapped around it. Inside the interior would be stripped and only have sound and weather proofing covered in black suede with grey/silver stitching. Two Recaro bucket seats with memory foam ( for my back ) and custom but not too serious sound system. The wheels would be Solid back thick 5 spoke wheels. Wide ones though. a suspension system out of a Boss 302 leguna seca. Not exactly heart set on exhaust but the motor. oh the motor now, I would have a 5.2 from the ford gt or a edelbrock coyote motor. id have the handling down with a more track based suspension but the power to blow away any thing in a 1000 mile radius. I dont know. Ive just wanted to share..
Very cool aspirations. I am nearly double your age, but you sound how I thought when I was your age... you are bringing back some memories.. I know that Dominator kit very well. I have owned many fox body mustangs and now have a built twin turbo 347" 93 Cobra street car with many suspension/brake upgrades along with a 650 rwhp Kenne Bell equipped '04 Mystichrome Cobra with lots of mods. My DD is a modded 300awhp Volvo S60R. I have worked hard for these cars and performed most of the mods myself so work hard at it and you too can realize your dreams!
i thought my 33psi 550whp evo viii was godly but ahem **putted into my proper perspective** ....... what a flawless build while retaining the 2L instead of going 2.3 is just mind blowing. tremendous work was done here in Panama and Ive heard nothing but good stuff about Race Lab none the less. KUDO*sss
This is the kind of car ricers continue B.S.ing about. Imagine a muscle car junkie challenge Carbano thinking he's a ricer: Muscle Car Junkie: Let's race, I bet I'll beat that ghetto ricer of yours. Carbano: I don't know if you can, it's running 900 hp at 50 psi. Muscle Car Junkie: You're talking B.S., I'll show you the power of American Muscle! (At drag race) Carbano: 3,2,1 go! (Evo pulls quick and leaves MCJ in the dust) Muscle Car Junkie: Dude, he wasn't kidding...
you guys should come check out Prescott/ Prescott Valley, Arizona. Theres some Jems up here. A Nissan sileighty with over 400hp at the wheels with 20lbs of boost, an old datsun with a buick 455 in it that runs 9's, and a ratrod that has around 700hp. There's a few other nice cars here that you wouldn't expect these towns to have hiding. All homegrown rides.
autoalanamis I don't agree. But i do agree that swedes and norskies are better ( at least making powerful street cars) but on the other hand we make very good time attack weapons here in finland.
best built evo 7-9 quote...
"...sometimes I shift at gravel, sometimes I shift at snow..."
926whp @ snowthousand rpm
812tq @ gravelthousand rpm
Coming up in the 80's, turbo lag meant the time it took for turbos to spool up.
that's what ive always been told
thats what it is.. turbo lag is the time from when you put your foot into the gas till the turbo kicks in
Yeah...........OK, Im not going mad. Lag seems to be, largely, a thing of the past, with dual turbos.......(one small, one large) and more refined engineering. But back in the 80s\90s.........a turbo'd car could be slower than its regularly aspirate counterpart (due to lag) until that turbo '' kicked in '' at 4k revs or whatever, and then you got this HUGE surge of power. Now the power is more consistent throughout the rev range. A lot of turbo cars you dont notice you have a turbo........other than the fact its faster than it otherwise would be.
Sometimes i shift at gravel sometimes i shift at snow!
I want that in a sticker
+johnvx2100 in the accent as well
Hands down, Matt Farah, you need to go to Puerto Rico!!! The car scene down there is OUTRAGEOUS! Some of the fastest, craziest and odd cars in the world are in PR. I promise you that you wont be disappointed
Eric Maldonado Inagree 100% the Puerto Rico car scene is hardcore for sure.
@@Tain950 Car scene here is kinda wack though. Most people just mod their corollas with 20 inch rims. Bunch of cacos.
@THAT Guy Jamaica?
I personally drive a WRX.. but seeing how perfect this car is.. from the paint.. to the power delivery.. RESPECT
I drove a 550WHP Evo and it was the fastest car I’ve ever driven. I can’t imagine how crazy this monster has to be. Built Evo’s can definitely be scary fast
Germany has those 1250bhp AWD golfs, street legal too, you should go check those out Matt
Are you serious ? Lmao that's crazy fast . Is it the R32 Golf ?
No, they are 1.8-2.0L 4 bangers with very large custom turbos. 1233bhp on all 4 wheels, and torque in the same range. just look for Bobamotoring on youtube
+Patrick N I have a 1.8 turbo VW golf :')
+Patrick N I'll look that up right now
He tuned a bunch of those Golfs, he himself owns that 1233hp one, his friend owns that 1150hp drag golf, other videos show 900+hp Golf's doing well over 200Mph on the highway, the list goes on. everything they touch turns from Golf to Gold
Come to The Philippines please, we have a great car enthusiast community here. From, Euro/American/Japanese. Hell even public transport have custom builds, not necessarily in the performance department lol.Nice snaky roads with fantastic scenery, roads with no tarmac (fun) and we happen to have a couple of race tracks and an airfield for drag :)
You have the best show on Drive Matt and you make it that way! Keep up the great work, we all appreciate it.
"Runs 9's and i take my kid to school in it" best line ever!!
This Evo is jaw-dropping, but...
I want to commend you guys on the outro of this video - it reflects the Panama series of videos as a whole, extremely well-directed in terms of camera shots, commentary and soundtrack. Great work, Tuned team :)
"sometimes I shift at gravel, sometimes I shift at snow"
LOL this is gold!
An RX7 without a rotory is like taking a super model and then slapping Jason Statham's face on her.
+ThatWolffe Welp guess you'd hate im ls swapping mine...
WHY YOU DO DIS BE ASHAMED, less power for ya
+ThatWolffe lol less power
Idk that'd be kinda cool
That's the dumbest shit ever. Stop comparing cars to women. You obviously don't have a knack for it.
From the Garrett website FAQ
"Boost threshold is the engine speed at which there is sufficient exhaust gas flow to generate positive manifold pressure, or boost."
"Turbo lag is the time delay of boost response after the throttle is opened when operating above the boost threshold engine speed. Turbo lag is determined by many factors, including turbo size relative to engine size, the state of tuning of the engine, the inertia of the turbo's rotating group, turbine efficiency, intake plumbing losses, exhaust backpressure, etc."
So I guess all you keyboard engineers know more than Garrett about turbochargers.
As an evo driver and someone from the Caribbean I'm really glad to see you not only finally feature an Evo but one from Central America (which isn't too far off geographically speaking). I'm glad you're showing cars outside of North America. Seeing this vid reminded me of home (Trinidad & Tobago) which also has rhd car and some very impressive builds. And much like Panama there's little room to let such cars out. You've got to love the evo. It's amazing what you can squeeze out of the 4G63 when properly built. I'm glad the owner gave credit to Collin @ Toxicfab. He's one of the most talented and hard working welders in the market.
5:45 50lbs of boost?!?!?! What is it running on "diced lions"? lol
***** nothing on a RB26 or a 2jz :P
***** That must be why they constantly break down (EXPENSIVELY) Any evo owner will tell you the same...
They have to be serviced every 4500 miles as well :/
ItsGodfreyHD even worse, its recommend at 3750 miles
Barney Abu wow really? still i wouldn't say no to one lol
Thanks Matt for thinking outside box (and working with what you had) JF thanks for letting them try something new & unique. Take care guys can't wait to see the next car on Tuned and the next country Drive visits! Great series on Panama guys!
What about a bit of snow in Drive too? Would love to see Musto maybe get out of his confort zone and do some kind of crazy rallying... Or Chris Harris talk about tuner cars... Or Matt doing an historic endurance race :)
I feel like it could be fun to reverse the roles you guys have, for just one episode of each serie :)
loved the panama series guys, for everything falling apart around you, you guys managed to make one hell of a trip out of it and 3 great videos to boot. keep it up, cant want to see more
Daily driver, 50lbs of boost, EVO...yes please.
and a 400lbs driver :D
M van M na, probably like 350
lol
Rebuild every 5 thousand miles? No thanks
I can understand why you would want this car. So you can escape from the cops quicker, when you're doing random drive by shootings. Or just running people over. And I'm sure Brucie would shit bricks.
Cool three parter, the school bus was most interesting.
Don't get me wrong, 900 hp evo with drag chute... nice, but ridiculous fast cars we have plenty in the US. A 100 mph school bus with smoke stacks? more please.
I don't really drive fast but, when I do. I shift at snow! ahah
I will never forget this sick car. The color and cleanliness is unreal
Toxic Fab FTMFW
Collins :)
Finally a 4G63!!!!!! Thank you tuned for representing this iconic motor so well!
possibly the best tuned episode,
Also the episode with the most hp/liter
BloodstainedSinner
Go to Panama and find me a naturally aspirated V8 making 900bhp
noeljf I didn't say Panama -- I didn't specify any country. You think N/A V8's making 900hp are rare? You've never been to the drags, have you? Guys spend $5,000 and have a 1,000hp naturally aspirated monster under the hood, that runs their cars in to the 7 and 8 second ranges.
BloodstainedSinner i go to drags all the time, and rally sprints, nothing wrong with a 4 cylinder...
you've obviously never experienced what having lots of boost is like... the v8s are too smooth... where the power delivery on giant turbo'd cars is fun!
3000hp on the street your bound to die if you push it..
so the lancer evolution proves to be the viable option here.
if your going to try be a tall poppy go show us your car on drive then
BloodstainedSinner your notspending 5gs for 1000hp all motr v8 build unless on a usual. port work, head work, decking the surface, boring the block, valve jobs, gurdle adjustements, valve ajustments alone are over 5k alone lol.
BloodstainedSinner I'm spending a pretty penny on my Subaru to just make some decent HP. I could have built a fast V8 with the money I've invested but I see no point in it since I would just be like the other guys around my area with their Mustangs, Camaros, Transams. Not many Subarus around Nebraska so we are more noticed than the muscle that looks just like the other muscle. Don't get me wrong, I like muscle cars also but I wanted to go a different route and show people the what Imports can be.
This show would be *a lot* better if they actually showed off the car more instead of him just driving it. Let us see the engine, interior, mods, etc..
Europe ! Germany, Polska, Czech, Danks, Netherlands, France!!! We all love cars, visit Europe!
WTF Welcome To Finland ! or Sweden or Norway ( swedes and norwegian are great builders of insanely powerful cars)
UK and Spain too ;)
Rentta lol, I'm from germany, and I have to totally agree that you scandinavians create the craziest, non-textbook builds in the world. Lancia Supra, Blacksmoke Merc Wagon, KRB Audi and Lotus ... I could fill a page with examples
sry mates ofc scandinavians are crazy gearheads!!!
DRIVE!? Visit EUROPE!
Turbocharger lag ("turbo lag") is the time required to change power output in response to a throttle change, noticed as a hesitation or slowed throttle response when accelerating as compared to a naturally aspirated engine. This is due to the time needed for the exhaust system and turbocharger to generate the required boost
The boost threshold of a turbocharger system is the lower bound of the region within which the compressor operates. Below a certain rate of flow, a compressor produces insignificant boost. This limits boost at a particular RPM, regardless of exhaust gas pressure.
Hey /Drive,
I live in Germany and while we actually don't have coffee as good as Panama, we do have some quite good beer.
...and things like ///M, AMG, nice products from Zuffenhausen and of course the Autobahn.
So pass by if you want! You're always warmly welcome!
Coffee
You know you can buy the coffe from Panama and Colombia (which is even better) in big cities like Munich so no problem. Also Beer is the best (together with czech beer) i agree :)
oh man! czech beer is the greatest in the world! the water there is the best! I love pilsner urquell, czechvar, matuska. Mmmmmm:)
brilliant!!! seeing a big guy like that, whose driven countless super/hyper cars tremble in fear ... really shows how much of a monster "The Myth" can be ...
Turbo lag is fun anyway "the calm before the storm"
I agree, it's very theatrical. Feeling the boost slowly build and getting pushed forward is a nice feeling. Even on engines with small turbos that have next to no lag.
I have a dodge stealth RT that I LOVE to drive. Twin turbos on a nice sized v6, it's even all wheel drive. It's a blast reving to red line and dropping my clutch at 7000 rpms and NOT spinning tires lol. The engine was designed with the turbos so there's no blowoff noise, it gets circulated back into the intake. No one takes this thing seriously, they laugh and joke until those turbos kick in lol.
Lee Peffers You can easily get dump valve noise without getting a dump valve by binning the air box and getting a cone filter.
Anders Kristensen
I could, but there's 2 things stopping me. The set up as it is is more efficient, it recycles the blowoff air back into the intake and it's called a stealth, why would I want others to hear those turbos blowing off? I like that it's unassuming. For starters like 95% of people don't even know wtf a stealth is, let alone know how fast it is, or that its twin turbod. The looks on peoples faces when they say stuff like "wow that's way faster than I thought it would be" is music to my ears.
Lee Peffers Your car is a rebadged Mitsubishi 3000GT, branded as a Dodge for the US market. I wouldn't really call it a sleeper. It looks like a sports car. Nice engine.
Hungary has great old cars and a crazy night scene. The car tunning exabitions are out of this world!
You need to go down to the dominican republic, stop playing. Fast cars, great roads, good food and alcohol and beautiful women!! Premium package!
I noticed a lot of people bitching about Matt getting Turbo Lag wrong but it's hardly a big deal as most people get it wrong and now he has it right! Most people confuse a high Boost Threshold with Turbo lag including most auto journalists. Turbo lag is NOT what most people think it is. What most people think is Turbo lag is a high Boost Threshold (just as Matt said!) and Turbo lag is something different. Almost everyone who knows the basics of turbocharging gets this wrong but who can blame them when EVERYONE calls Turbo Lag something it's not. Turbo lag is harder to explain but it's usually measured when you're above the boost threshold and making rapid changes to throttle position. You may let off throttle quickly and get right back on it within a second or less, say during a fast turn while correcting. During these fast throttle changes you may still be maintaining a high engine RPM and be above normal boost threshold. Only during these fast throttle changes is Turbo Lag the issue and not when you're pedal to the metal, off the line, waiting the the turbo to initially spool up and build boost. That's the boost threshold, not Turbo Lag. That's what most people confuse. I'm not an expert by any means but I hope that explanation helps anyone who actually reads it. Too many people who barley know the basics of turbocharging are acting like experts and that's the point. Since most people confuse this and almost everyone gets turbo lag wrong, no one knows it's wrong.
"Sometimes I shift at gravel, but sometimes I shift at snow"
Evo 7 still looks awesome today.
You guys should definitely visit australia!
Tuned and Chris Harris on cars is my favorite series of car videos
I respect the humility and acceptance of being corrected about the lag terms
Come to Puerto Rico, The 4x4 here is amazing, Also the coffee is better than panama's.
Yeah the best 4x4 (AWD) car was in Puerto Rico
Glad things came together for your guys at TUNED!
come Australia we have cars for you
Possibly the best episode of tuned yet
Come to australia.. show you the skids :P
shhhh, they already think us Aussies just do burnout because of the video with the r8. Dont let it become another AUS stereotype LOL
Aint nothing wrong with that stereo type :P
Cops are pricks when you get caught but :)
Its the only real fun thing to do in commodores anyway
I'm from the US and im very jealous of the aussy scene I wish you guys would share!
No no man I totally understand I didn't know it was that bad woah.
One thing I do know about AUS is that blow off valves are illegal and I find that highly distrubing man haha
Never knew it was that bad man that is roughhhhh.
He was laughing like a little kid, and who wouldn't be driving a beast like that? The evo, by far is my most favored car on the market.
/TUNED is the only good thing about Mondays..
Am digging the parachute.Amazing vehicle and a color that describes its ferocity.
Lag is none existent? The 'waiting waiting waiting' part is the lag...
pinned3 He explains the difference between boost threshold and lag in the video...
I've only seen a couple people on the internet call it a boost threshold. Everyone I know calls it lag. "I went with a smaller turbo because it has a lower boost threshold," says no one. "Boost threshold" makes it sounds like the bottom end can only handle X amount of boost.
Boost threshold and lag are two entirely different concepts.
Ehal256 his explanation is wrong lol he still doesn't know what it is.. lag is the time in which it takes the turbo to build up enough pressure to provide boost.. running 50 psi is obviously gonna take a long time.. so the waiting waiting waiting is the lag.
+pinned3 Just Google it. Matt is right the "waiting waiting" part is boost threshold.
respect Matt! What you are doing is simply awesome.
I was waiting for him to pull the parachute... :/
Mitsubishi Evolution, best car ever!
Dupree CFEU has to be the most slept on definitely absolutely an amazing car
When I retire Ill make time for some fun travels like this one. Great show. Keep up the good work...
Get in touch with mightycarmods in New Zealand and stick Matt in Marty's turbo Miata.
MCM is in NSW, Australia, not New Zealand.
Oh lol. Well go to Australia!
Drive is awesome. Im glad to see this kind of program on youtube. keep it up.
6:58 ... Listen to that part
Wo! MuAAHhhaahaaHAHAHHAaahahahahaha!
jajajaja XD
this man is a blowoff valve
Come to VANCOUVER :) You will like the scenery and the people...
"...There is no way 900hp is going to stay together during this shoot..."
Well, that's because unlike a lot of dreamers and tuner-douches out there, this guy is among a relative slim few who actually did EVERYTHING to make that engine actually able to handle the power.
By far the best car show! thanks guys
Who's Gary Carbono (from RaceLab) foling? He said that the shop's car was an Evo 7! That's a fucking Evo 8! I used to own an Evo 7!
Evo 7 with a full evo 8 conversion
C.mon! Are you trying to say that the guy pulled out the Evo 7 engine & dropped it in the Evo 8? Do you know the differences of an Evo 7 from an Evo 8? Fenders, quarter panels H-pillars, windshield angle, etc..... are not "bolt-ons"! Ever heard of a "full blown Evo race car? Maybe you're just a "RISER" not a "Tuner". Did you also know that the Evo 8 was released 2 years after the Evo 7 came out, because of the European Standards? The Evo 8 is a more refined engine compared to the Evo 7! Jeesh! Are you a Mitsu club member? Think before you speak, man!
Jose Eriberto Pacquing I'm just going off of what he said but thanks for the education lesson and no I'm not a RICER and I'm not a mitsu club member either but I appreciate the answer
Jose Eriberto Pacquing relax fagboy il slap ur gay evo
jacamo777 he got butthurt
I listen to The Smoking Tire's podcast, and have been waiting to see this in video! awesome to finally see it!
That Obama slam though. LOL XD
this may be my favorite videos that you guys have ever done and ive been watching since garage 419. you should do one quarter of the year with traditional tuned and a second quarter making an alex roy/ anthony bourdain type traveling series that also shows a bit of your interactions in these places with the rest of the smoking tire crew
50psi!?
50 psi?!
Knights2theEnd strong engine to begin with, and "fully built" as they say. I'd still be nervous anywhere above 35
What an awesome evolution. Keep up the good vids Matt!
By the sound of it this evo has no Anti-lag so how the hell could you have a turbo that size at 50psi with almost no lag? If you had more room to test the car you would notice it.
High compression pistons help reduce lag. Depending on the type of turbo they're using, the turbine wheel weight and material can reduce lag as well. There are more factors than size and pressure levels on which lag is dependent.
I didn't watch the entire video, but it may have a quick spool valve? Very handy on BT apps.
2:45 sounded a bit like anti-lag or possibly 2-step to me... something... lol.
Don't think i've seen a grin or a giggle like that on farah for a while haha! looks insane!
go to Puerto Rico we got the best coffee in the carribean
I'll add my way of wording it: Turbo lag is the "wait" after flooring it before you get the fun-fun turbo hit (the point when you've hit and passed the "boost threshold" - ie. 4,400RPM's in 4th - as in - you're "in boost"/above 0 PSI/positive pressure) if that makes sense! :)
I take dat evo, I bring it to a nice place, I marry dat evo.
Never seen Matt so happy, I know that evo is putting it Down
It's an Evo 8. JUST SAYING >.> The Evo 7 had a Full black grille and not the little triangle in the middle for the logo..... C'mon can't you read Roman???
I was just going to say that. :D
It's an Evo 7 with 8 bodywork.
Well that's kinda silly.
Ispharel Racing na the evo 8 looks better than the 7
Yeah but 8 body kit on a 7?
Drive tuned should deffinately head to a Powercruise event in Australia. Matt would love it.
3:30 YOU BETTER LEARN.
Even Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson mistook boost treshold as lag when he tested an evo on a runway with 6th gear :)
They let this guy drive a 900 hp car and he doesn't know the difference between lag and boost threshold...
EbEvoVIII
he was probably making fun of ''youtube car specialists''
Those TH-cam commenters were wrong, Matt. If a turbo doesn't kick in until, say, 4500: Everything below 4500 is the "laggy area".
There is no awd dyno in Panama. This number is purely speculative.
he's right.
Maybe not tested in Panama ?
the end of that video almost made me cry. thats what car culture is all about.
I KNEW IT!! Check out "Mellon Racings 900hp EVO" on youtube. Says "Gary's EVO", it's red, and it also has 900hp. I seriously doubt there's another guy named Gary with a red EVO running 900hp. lmao.
yea im pretty sure its the same car haha
Ya dude. I still don't know how these evo's take that much boost with high compression ratios.
nezerac yeah its the same car gary has a workshop here in Panama.
nezerac E98 or Q16...thats how.
What the crap is Q16?
Giggle-Meter went to 11!! HAHAHA Awesome, this thing sounds amazing! 50psi is rediculas! Great vid guys, loved the /TUNED from Panama! :)
I'm confused. They keep saying Evo 7, but everything screams Evo 8. The spoiler is an 8 and the trunk badge says Evolution VIII. All I see are JDM Evo 8 parts (headlights, tail lights, rear bumper with OEM diffuser, etc). If you have a legit 7, why hide it behind 8 styling? The 7s look better in my opinion too. Between the spoiler, rear and front bumper, the all red tails, that shit is sexy.
+TheBudgetVaper Unless they intentionally put evo 8 on it, its an evo 8 lol. Idk why they kept saying evo 7
It's an Evo 7 with an 8 bodykit. Watch the season highlight video he did
Such an insane engine.... its still streetable, yet if you break it down each cylinder of this car makes 225hp.... 1 500cc cylinder and piston create the same total power output of my mustangs 5000cc 8 cylinder engine at 225hp. Very very impressed.
Surprised they let Matt drive it in the rain.
Chris Laffery well its not FWD ;)
+OPHeckler that'd be safer to drive :p
i like this allot, could watch it over and over again...
Isn't turbo lag the time you are waiting for the exhaust pressure to reach a level to boost turbo or turbos once you have put your foot down? Or have I been living a lie all these years???????
now this video was much more enjoyable, gone is the snarky kind of over the top attitude he had, well done sir.
Booooooost!
Matt's reaction at 2:56 is priceless. 4k...5... hlysht!!!! What a surprise!
Im pretty sure this isnt a 7 like they say, different spoiler and an evo 8 front end...
Go to Jamaica, there are rally courses and Integra Type-Rs as far as the eye can see. Just don't go to far from the resorts areas unless its necessary.
Eh too much of a drag car for my taste, put a smaller turbo setup on it and up the displacement a little settle on like 600hp so the "boost threshold" is lowered a lot. And have a much more fun street car.
Dear /Tuned and /Drive: I am a 19yr old student who has been looking to start a build for 3 years now. What I have done so far is get a 93 hatch back Fox body mustang shell. Which I know sounds like a stupid thing to start, I had an idea that I thought would be the ultimate tuner car. As I boy, and all my life in fact I was into cars. Weather it was hot wheels to my dads 03 SVT cobra. Ive always had a deep passion for them. One day in a car book I saw a 88 Mustang Gt, but it was different, It looked nothing like the one my dad owned or what I saw at the mustang round up. It had a body kit that make the car look like something amazing. It featured a tall spoiler inspired by a Superbird, yellow and orange and it just, stuck in my mind forever. When I was 16 I looked around online until one day I saw a body kit, called the Wings West Dominater. It was the picture of the car I saw when I was a boy. after seeing it I started looking into how people made these and what they all did with them. Eventually I came up with the idea of my dream car. I imagine a Mustang 93 Gt hatch back with a WW Dom body kit, mineral gray paint and a Flat black line wrapped around it. Inside the interior would be stripped and only have sound and weather proofing covered in black suede with grey/silver stitching. Two Recaro bucket seats with memory foam ( for my back ) and custom but not too serious sound system. The wheels would be Solid back thick 5 spoke wheels. Wide ones though. a suspension system out of a Boss 302 leguna seca. Not exactly heart set on exhaust but the motor. oh the motor now, I would have a 5.2 from the ford gt or a edelbrock coyote motor. id have the handling down with a more track based suspension but the power to blow away any thing in a 1000 mile radius. I dont know. Ive just wanted to share..
You see things that inspire you and you have ideas that are unique. That's a good start. Keep that enthusiasm rollin!
Very cool aspirations. I am nearly double your age, but you sound how I thought when I was your age... you are bringing back some memories.. I know that Dominator kit very well. I have owned many fox body mustangs and now have a built twin turbo 347" 93 Cobra street car with many suspension/brake upgrades along with a 650 rwhp Kenne Bell equipped '04 Mystichrome Cobra with lots of mods. My DD is a modded 300awhp Volvo S60R. I have worked hard for these cars and performed most of the mods myself so work hard at it and you too can realize your dreams!
Need to come to canada
i thought my 33psi 550whp evo viii was godly but ahem **putted into my proper perspective** ....... what a flawless build while retaining the 2L instead of going 2.3 is just mind blowing. tremendous work was done here in Panama and Ive heard nothing but good stuff about Race Lab none the less. KUDO*sss
This is the kind of car ricers continue B.S.ing about. Imagine a muscle car junkie challenge Carbano thinking he's a ricer:
Muscle Car Junkie: Let's race, I bet I'll beat that ghetto ricer of yours.
Carbano: I don't know if you can, it's running 900 hp at 50 psi.
Muscle Car Junkie: You're talking B.S., I'll show you the power of American Muscle!
(At drag race)
Carbano: 3,2,1 go!
(Evo pulls quick and leaves MCJ in the dust)
Muscle Car Junkie: Dude, he wasn't kidding...
Matt is a such a kid in a candy store, love it
you wanna know what cars in the uk are like well..... lemons with big exhausts lol
how is my evo like a lemon with a big exhaust lol
All the cars in this seg were tight, but, damn, that Hennesey R8! Wish we could've seen that.
Dear Santa... :D
you guys should come check out Prescott/ Prescott Valley, Arizona. Theres some Jems up here. A Nissan sileighty with over 400hp at the wheels with 20lbs of boost, an old datsun with a buick 455 in it that runs 9's, and a ratrod that has around 700hp. There's a few other nice cars here that you wouldn't expect these towns to have hiding. All homegrown rides.
come to Finland where everyone knows how to do a Scandinavian flick :P
Don't come to Finland, car culture sucks here.
autoalanamis
Agree, Come to Sweden and Norway. 1000 times better car scene then Finland
autoalanamis I don't agree. But i do agree that swedes and norskies are better ( at least making powerful street cars) but on the other hand we make very good time attack weapons here in finland.
autoalanamis What are you saying? Tuned volvo 240's not good enought? :(