In this video we do several face milling operations on the Kearney & Trecker 2H Horizontal mill along with drilling and tapping some left hand threads.
Keith another informative video and another old missing part is now new and ready to go. Glad your subscriber count and views are inching upwards. We all need to thank you for volunteering there and allowing us to be a fly on the wall. They say you get out of life what you put in to it and you sure put in above and beyond what most folks do so my hats off to you.
Hey Keith. Im no stranger to improvisation. Im an old Ohio Farm boy. When your 40 or 50 year old tractor breaks down clear at the back end of the farthest field away from the shop and all you have is a 12 inch Crescent Wrench and a 20 oz ball peen hammer and a rock and a picece of baling wire you figure out how to get it back to the barn with what you have. It always works!
for some people you can go over to them and hit their switch but the power isn't on. just do it the way you want Kieth. leave the armchair machinist in the junk bin if they lack that much common scene they cant be helped . any way you don't owe and explanation, ist good enough that you go out of your way to show how to get things done, we love what you do don't ever stop
Grand job there Keith. Like you say, tolerance for wood work is not that critical for boards and the sled is an exelent solution. I'm not long home from a great day on the allotment and to just sit down and enjoy your company as you go through the tasks and solutions in your easy going way is a real pleasure. Thank you for the energy you put into your channel.
A very inventive solution to solve your problem Keith. We just have to make do and mend as the engineering pioneers, who didn't have the machines we have today, did and look at what they achieved to bring us the machines we do have today. Good work, can't wait for the next installments :-)
Really interesting approach Keith. I enjoyed it very much. One of my favorite expressions is "Nothing is impossible for the person who does not have to do it themselves" Great problem solving episode. Have a good couple of weeks off. I will be standing by for your next episode.. Thank you!
I don't care what anyone says, your solution to that problem is genius in my books. You stuck to the KISS rule and got the results you needed/wanted. Thumbs up! Also subscribed! Between you, Tom, Abom, mrpete, Mr. Fenner and my garage.... I don't even watch TV anymore (well, except CFL football; GO RIDERS GO!)
Another very informative and instructive video, Keith. I always learn something watching your videos and am also encouraged to try out some things I might not have tried otherwise. Thanks again!
Hi Keith, Nice to see some more on the Vance! Looks like "Cattail Foundry" makes some very nice parts! Nice job finishing the part! Great job again! Thanks! Jeff
Very cool video Keith. I love watching the restoration of old parts, but it's extra cool to see something made from nothing. I find the pattern making and casting to be very interesting. The birth of a part!! Thanks Sam
That's really great Keith, what a cool accomplishment!10K+ subscribers and 1 million+ views, all in a year's time? That is a truly amazing feat, at least until we watch your videos, and then it becomes easy to see why. You're a genuine, all American Craftsman, with a heart of gold! The volunteer work you do at the museum is invaluable, not just for the museum, but for all of us who admire the classic Americana and machinery you restore. I hope you are appreciated as much there as you are here on my computer screen, thank you so much for including us out here on the other side of the lens! I know you've not only taught me many new techniques, but also bring me great entertainment and even have given me a new focus in life. I want to do what you do, and though I'll never be as talented or have the years of experience, I do have the internet and you didn't have that cheat sheet back when you first put on an apron, he he :) Though I'm new to watching your videos, I've seen many of them and I really enjoy every single one I've watched, so while your busy this next month, I will have a nice library from which to view and enjoy. I don't watch much television, and I live pretty far from any towns out here on Knolltop Farms, so spending time learning from you and the other "Men of Metal" is my way to wind down after my days on the farm and caring for my elderly folks. I also enjoy watching Adam Booth, Tom Lipton, Keith Fenner, Stan Shadon, Jody from Welding Tips and Tricks, and another Chuck aka "outsidesrcewball" to hopefully learn enough not to loose a finger when I start running my old Atlas lathe that we talked about the other day. I'll put up a little video of it after the Farmer's Market and Independence Day Celebration we are working at, and hopefully you can be entertained while you're on the road next week. Please have a safe trip and I will chat with you again upon your return. Congratulations again on those amazing statistics, Aloha...Chuck
Nice work as always, especially for a part time machinist. I was under the impression you were a machinist full time, so now you have earned even more respect from me, keep up the good work and enjoy the 4th.
Keith, As so many have posted, it really is very encouraging to see a problem solver at work! I can relate as I tell people "if there's a will, there's a RAY". Sometimes you have to think outside the box to achieve your end goal. And like you said, it's well within the tolerances needed for the part to work. Great job, and if you put together a project for next year, I will see if I can participate. Always a pleasure!! Ray aka Razor!
Thanks Keith for the informative video. I have a 1h K&T mill and you have given me a great idea on how to mill longer pieces. I always enjoy your practical and " down home " approach to machine problem solving. Its one thing to know, but quite another to be able to teach what you know, and you do that so very well..........Tom
Keith, The trick with the sled is the kind of technique that the old boys who taught me what little I've absorbed would've used. I like how you acknowledge the role of tolerances - too bad that too many viewers *need* to be hit over the head with a Clue-by-Four(TM) to get the message! Lapping is a great way to get to within those last couple of mils on the surface - although, for a wood milling machine, 0.003" per foot out of true ain't that bad... A good demonstration of how to use various techniques to get a job done with what you have in the shop, and on a budget. Cheers, Eric
Thanks for sharing Keith...It makes a nice change to see "engineering work" being done... and no ad nauseam gifts from the Internet , or endless boring stories...Great job Sir Thanks again...
Keith, Great video. Can't wait to see the planer in operation. Real nice work on the casting. I work the same way, with what I have and get the job done. Thanks for sharing the nice and interesting work. Randy.
Thanks Keith, love watching all your video's. Really appreciate you're outside the box thinking, on making your equipment work for you. If your work ever takes you to Minneapolis, I'd like to buy you dinner. Tim
Keith I was a machinist for Ingersoll Rand co for 41 years but I do love to watch work with the old machinery ,I could watch you for hours when one video is over I can't wait for the next one. I watch Tubal canine also I guess once chip;s gets in your Blood you never lose it. keep up the good work .
Keith, Thanks for a very interesting video. I like your work around with the K & T mill. Like the saying goes, "Where there's a will, there's a way." It will be interesting to see the machine in action when the project is completed. I hope you and your family have a great Fourth of July celebration! Congratulations on your subscriber count! That proves that folks enjoy the content of your videos, if not to learn a certain tecnique, then to watch a restoration project in action. Thanks again! Regards, Dave
Hello Keith Just a great video...production, filming, instruction, explanations and your craftsmanship! Many lessons within this video that you would never get if you just read machining books. Also, an interesting machine and it will be cool to see it running in the future! Congrats on your goals of views/subs! ATB Chuck
Hi Keith, Couple of nice techniques on how to get it done with what you have on hand... The nice part about being a machinist is not really to have the machine done but doing it. Cheers, Pierre
Thanks for another excellent video. Grey cast iron has a lot of free graphite in it, and therefore needs no lubricant to be machined. You're right the use of cutting oil just makes a big mess.
Nicely done. If you had a bigger machine sooner or later bigger jobs would just come in and that too would be too small. That horizontal machine looks like a beast to me It surprises me you have parts to big for it fairly often. Nice work around for the travel issue. I really enjoy watching these old machines turn out fine work when run by a skilled machinist. DQ
I really enjoy your videos. You restoring the old machines appears to be a great hobby for you. My hobby of watching machining activities on TH-cam is a relaxing moment for me but is probably not as great as doing the work. I hope you and your family have an enjoyable July 4th. Thanks and I'm looking for more....13
I have everything for a complete shop except a lathe and a mill, which I'm in the process of acquiring. My projects will have to wait until Jan. 2015, when I retire. I can't "just walk away" from my highway construction operations. In the meantime, I'm currently enjoying the drawing/designing of a 1:12 scale working model of my father's sawmill he had in 1954-1958. I'm really looking forward to constructing Dad's mill as one of my first projects. Thanks for your contribution to my machining education....13
Nice job Keith! I agree--with this set-up you really don't need lubrication. The carbon in cast iron is a natural lubricant for machine tools. Residual core sand adds to the abrasive nature of the chips, especially at the surface of the casting. I would have thought that the counterbore would be in the upper area and the threaded section near the machined face. =Brian=
Keith if you come down I-35 through Austin on your way to San Antonio, I'll wave as you go by. If you end up at the Alamo be sure to check out the historic Menger Hotel right next door not only a beautiful hotel but a ton of history as well.
the accuracy of the sled was as accurate as standard woodworking table saw slots so that has to be very good tolerances. almost seemed like woodworking methodology. I like the techniques. I am sure I will use that or something similar.
+ted sykora I was not perfect tolerances, but in this case it was good enough and it got the job done with what I had available to use. There are many ways to do things like this but you are often limited by what you have to get the job done with!
Great videos Keith, just got myself a 1930's Denbigh Horizontal mill in great order. Unfortunately in the UK it's a dying art and if you want quality tooling you have to buy vintage! Luckily I love the old school stuff! Nothing in my shop is Metric!
I love the sled idea.i may need to use that soon.would it be a good idea to use an indicator hanging off the verticle ways. And tram in the milled surface after you moved the casting and lost some tolerance?
Nice video, Keith. Why didn't you just use a bigger mill? Just kidding man! I'll be running into some of the same problems soon attempting to machine angle plates for scraping. I broke down and ordered a turret mill, and I may scrape in my RF45 bench mill for a cnc conversion. May, I say hahaha! Still not convinced it's worth it...
A clever solution to the part too big for the tool problem. To my mind, it's analogous to what you do with a board that's wider than your (open arm) thickness sander [wish I had one of those], or wider than your jointer.
Hi Keith really looking forward to see this machine working congratulations on the up coming goals another great video. One question what is your day job ? just interested is all. Dave Australia
Nice work figuring out the problem! If you had do make a more precision cut using the same technique once you milled the first part could you have slid it then tramed the work piece (on the large machined surface you just cut) to insure that you where on the same plane after it was slid down? I have also seen Tom over at Ox tool use a piece of thin paper to get cutters to within a thou or so to get a zero without marking the work piece like a touch off can. I'm just trying to learn everything possible from this awesome little community I stumbled across getting into my new hobby of restoring old tools and machines myself. Congrats on the upcoming milestone!
Always enjoy your videos and discourse on the job at hand. If you have time could you comment on the possibility of standing the part up and using a slab mill on the horizontal arbor w / overarm ? Seems like you might make it in one cut or setup. Thanks, Darryl
34:36 Always amuses me to hear 'heighth' for 'height'. I see the transcript corrects the word to 'height'. I'm pretty sure it's not just Keith that uses 'heighth' and sounding 'dumb' for using it - but anyway, I find it funny - people using odd incorrect words..... Except 'heighth' has been in use for centuries (1616) and is a recognised equivalent of 'height' Thanks Keith - for your bizarre education of me in English ! (& Mr Pete - for 'finagle' - which you also used in another video I watched this week ! Not heard of that one before !)
Great job Keith, I bought a Index Mill Model 40 I'll be restoring needs paint and a few small repairs, looking at having the spindle ground from B&S #9 to R8 ?
I know you're using the tools you have, but I'm curious if you would normally use a surface grinder for a job like this? Or is a shell mill the way to go?
I think that's a good solution that you came up with I would have added to it however another follower sled behind it to index it forward with a wedge piece of steel or a piece of spring steel to all these keep it forward in the T slot. T-shirts are fairly accurate not incredibly accurate but fairly accurate you probably would be off no more than a couple of thousands as a matter of fact I have a Chinese meal that's less than 10,000 the off in the horizontal! I was quite surprised to find that out
IT'S TO BAD WHEN YOU WERE MOVING THE SLED YOU DIDN'T JUST PUSH YOUR PART GENTLE AGENST THE CUTTER AT CENTER OR THE PART. THIS WOULD HAVE KEEP THE PART AND SLED IN ALINEMENT WITH THE CUTTER . SAVING YOU A LOT OF HAND WORK. BUT I LOVE YOU ATTITUDE TOWARDS WORKING WITH WHAT YOU HAVE . I'M. 70 NOW BUT WHEN I WAS YOUNG I LOVED HANGING OUT WILL THE OLD TIME MACHINENEST IN THERE LATE 80S TO 90S DOING GREAT WORK ON USING WORN OUT MACHINES OLDER THEN THEY WERE WHO WORKED WITH . AND THEY WOULD SAY IT'S NOT THE MACHINE BUT THE MACHINENEST WHO KNOWS HOW TO COMPENSATE . AND MAKE DO WITH WHAT THEY HAD. YOU TALK A LOT LIKE THEM. THANKS FROM DAVID ADAM GRENIS BOULDER COLORADO 80304.
Hi Keith If the board is coming thru the machine, it might hit the edge of the pressure plate and stop. I guess, the original plate had a small wedge shaped area in the front. Sorry for my bad english. ;)
David Kurtley's idea seems to me to be obviously the right thing to do.You could hear the rattle of the 0.006" when you shook the unclamped moulding. Keeping the key up against one & the same side of the 'T' slot seems an essential operation for accuracy.....that is if the 'T' slots are accurate
Paraphrasing Rumsfeld: You go to work with the machine tools you have, not the machine tools you wish you had. Looks to me like the table sled idea worked out just fine. Just a thought for a lapping surface- couldn't the museum put out a request for a table like your planer? Doesn't need any of the works- just the top and a set of legs. You could even modify to suit if necessary.
***** Hi mate. Would you be willing to farm out some of the projects to viewers? I'm sure that a lot of people would be very happy to share there expertise, and would be tickled pink, in being able to say, I've worked on that, even if they have never been, or had the ability, to go to the museum. Marcel.
Nice work and good use of available equipment! I want to have a casting made for a table saw quadrant. Can you tell me what shrinkage or expansion factor you used to make your patterns for iron casting and the approximate cost for the pressure plate casting. Thanks
Does the pressure shoe need some sort of lead in on the front edge to guide the timber or is the lead screw support angled? Just thinking of the edgebanding machines I work on have a lead in/out angle on any tracing shoes.
if you had put a pusher stop in the centre slot you would have been working on one side of the slot and cut down on nearly all of the slop present in the slot,a pusher stop if you hadnt used one before is just a normal slotstop with a screw close to the top.i would never use (as a rule)coolant on cast iron because aswell as the dust(graphite) acting as a lubricant,the water in the coolant rusts the cast iron dust and overnight it can set like concrete in the ways and be a swine to get out(speaking from experience) regards alan
My friend is moving and wants to give one of these mills WITH tool lockers full of sharp cutting tools(big new end mills and wheel cutters) , various large/heavy cutting head attachments (ie:milling heads, brotcher, etc') Long keyed cutter shafts and things I have not yet figured their exact application. It is quite a machine I'm sure. Not exactly sure what I would use it for just now, except maybe to clean it up and try out some of the configurations it can do. It does have some garage rust from sitting unused- no deep rust pits on the ways. Nothing some caring work with steel wool and Marvel Oil wouldn't address. Not I need to decide to adopt this next week. What to do???
+Patrick Mackle Well, I can tell you what I would do..... Of course, not everybody needs a horizontal mill, but when did I ever let that logic stop me.....
Keith, judging by the size of that table, I'm surprised you can't make use of more of the length of it. I'll have to 'ask' my mill what it's accessible table length actually is !
***** A thought occurs, Would it make sense to have a key that was slightly looser and use wedges that can be tapped into place, thereby insuring that it is referenced off the same edge of the T-slot?
Question: What would happen if this happened to have a thread pattern that you cold not get? With the lathe you can cut your own inside/outside threads, but what would you do with something like this piece that you can't turn on a lathe?
There are places that you can have special order taps and dies made, but they are expensive. I thought I was going to either have to have a tap made or make one myself for this project, but I got lucky and found what I needed.
Good job keith . Could you post the name of the foundry and address please ? Are they reasonable ? I have several peices that I could make patterns for to have poured . Perhaps it would be cheaper to have them do it than buy cast iron bar stock . Thanks .
I am no machinist, but I have been watching your videos one after another now for a while and have a question. Why did you indicate off of the table, when you moved your sled? Could you not have corrected for the .006 by indicating off the freshly milled face and fidgeting with the sled as you clamped it back down to get it just right? You could have used a second indicator if you wanted to keep your table to cutter-head reference also, right? What really matters is that your face to cutter-head remains constant when you slide, not that your table to cutter head remains constant, isn't it? I understand that it's all within your chosen tolerance, I'm asking more... academically.
tiger12506 I would have to go back and look at that video again as it has been a while since I did that job and I don't remember exactly how I did it. But, I based on your comments, I don't see why one could not have done it that way.
Keith another informative video and another old missing part is now new and ready to go. Glad your subscriber count and views are inching upwards. We all need to thank you for volunteering there and allowing us to be a fly on the wall. They say you get out of life what you put in to it and you sure put in above and beyond what most folks do so my hats off to you.
Hey Keith. Im no stranger to improvisation. Im an old Ohio Farm boy. When your 40 or 50 year old tractor breaks down clear at the back end of the farthest field away from the shop and all you have is a 12 inch Crescent Wrench and a 20 oz ball peen hammer and a rock and a picece of baling wire you figure out how to get it back to the barn with what you have. It always works!
Genius solution with that sled--shows how you apply some of your woodworking mindset to your metalworking.
i love your idea about the bed sled!!!
way to think out of the box!!!!
I 100% agree, a good machinist can do anything with almost nothing
for some people you can go over to them and hit their switch but the power isn't on. just do it the way you want Kieth. leave the armchair machinist in the junk bin if they lack that much common scene they cant be helped . any way you don't owe and explanation, ist good enough that you go out of your way to show how to get things done, we love what you do don't ever stop
Thank you for allowing us to be part of your avocation ( think that is the right word to cover your labor of love).
Grand job there Keith. Like you say, tolerance for wood work is not that critical for boards and the sled is an exelent solution. I'm not long home from a great day on the allotment and to just sit down and enjoy your company as you go through the tasks and solutions in your easy going way is a real pleasure. Thank you for the energy you put into your channel.
A very inventive solution to solve your problem Keith. We just have to make do and mend as the engineering pioneers, who didn't have the machines we have today, did and look at what they achieved to bring us the machines we do have today. Good work, can't wait for the next installments :-)
Great job, Keith. Your tenacity and perseverance is paying off in the restoration of this machine.
It is a joy to watch you enjoy yourself. I learn a lot of things from watching you !
Really interesting approach Keith. I enjoyed it very much. One of my favorite expressions is "Nothing is impossible for the person who does not have to do it themselves" Great problem solving episode. Have a good couple of weeks off. I will be standing by for your next episode.. Thank you!
I don't care what anyone says, your solution to that problem is genius in my books. You stuck to the KISS rule and got the results you needed/wanted. Thumbs up!
Also subscribed! Between you, Tom, Abom, mrpete, Mr. Fenner and my garage.... I don't even watch TV anymore (well, except CFL football; GO RIDERS GO!)
Another very informative and instructive video, Keith. I always learn something watching your videos and am also encouraged to try out some things I might not have tried otherwise.
Thanks again!
Thanks for all the great videos Keith. I love watching the K&T at work.
Hi Keith,
Nice to see some more on the Vance! Looks like "Cattail Foundry" makes some very nice parts! Nice job finishing the part!
Great job again!
Thanks!
Jeff
Very cool video Keith. I love watching the restoration of old parts, but it's extra cool to see something made from nothing. I find the pattern making and casting to be very interesting. The birth of a part!! Thanks Sam
There is the "ideal" solution and then there is the real world solution. Doing to best job you can with the tools you have at hand. Good job.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
That's really great Keith, what a cool accomplishment!10K+ subscribers and 1 million+ views, all in a year's time? That is a truly amazing feat, at least until we watch your videos, and then it becomes easy to see why. You're a genuine, all American Craftsman, with a heart of gold! The volunteer work you do at the museum is invaluable, not just for the museum, but for all of us who admire the classic Americana and machinery you restore.
I hope you are appreciated as much there as you are here on my computer screen, thank you so much for including us out here on the other side of the lens! I know you've not only taught me many new techniques, but also bring me great entertainment and even have given me a new focus in life. I want to do what you do, and though I'll never be as talented or have the years of experience, I do have the internet and you didn't have that cheat sheet back when you first put on an apron, he he :)
Though I'm new to watching your videos, I've seen many of them and I really enjoy every single one I've watched, so while your busy this next month, I will have a nice library from which to view and enjoy.
I don't watch much television, and I live pretty far from any towns out here on Knolltop Farms, so spending time learning from you and the other "Men of Metal" is my way to wind down after my days on the farm and caring for my elderly folks. I also enjoy watching Adam Booth, Tom Lipton, Keith Fenner, Stan Shadon, Jody from Welding Tips and Tricks, and another Chuck aka "outsidesrcewball" to hopefully learn enough not to loose a finger when I start running my old Atlas lathe that we talked about the other day.
I'll put up a little video of it after the Farmer's Market and Independence Day Celebration we are working at, and hopefully you can be entertained while you're on the road next week. Please have a safe trip and I will chat with you again upon your return. Congratulations again on those amazing statistics, Aloha...Chuck
Love to watch you machining stuff. Really enjoy and learn a lot too.
Nice work as always, especially for a part time machinist. I was under the impression you were a machinist full time, so now you have earned even more respect from me, keep up the good work and enjoy the 4th.
Keith,
As so many have posted, it really is very encouraging to see a problem solver at work! I can relate as I tell people "if there's a will, there's a RAY". Sometimes you have to think outside the box to achieve your end goal. And like you said, it's well within the tolerances needed for the part to work.
Great job, and if you put together a project for next year, I will see if I can participate.
Always a pleasure!!
Ray
aka Razor!
Thanks Keith for the informative video. I have a 1h K&T mill and you have given me a great idea on how to mill longer pieces. I always enjoy your practical and " down home " approach to machine problem solving.
Its one thing to know, but quite another to be able to teach what you know, and you do that so very well..........Tom
Keith,
The trick with the sled is the kind of technique that the old boys who taught me what little I've absorbed would've used.
I like how you acknowledge the role of tolerances - too bad that too many viewers *need* to be hit over the head with a Clue-by-Four(TM) to get the message!
Lapping is a great way to get to within those last couple of mils on the surface - although, for a wood milling machine, 0.003" per foot out of true ain't that bad...
A good demonstration of how to use various techniques to get a job done with what you have in the shop, and on a budget.
Cheers,
Eric
Thanks for sharing Keith...It makes a nice change to see "engineering work" being done... and no ad nauseam gifts from the Internet , or endless boring stories...Great job Sir Thanks again...
*****
I think you should give up your day job and make us videos every day ;-)
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Great video throughout including the problem solving section at the start.
another excellent video. it is a pleasure to watch them.
Keith, Great video. Can't wait to see the planer in operation. Real nice work on the casting. I work the same way, with what I have and get the job done. Thanks for sharing the nice and interesting work.
Randy.
More great work. It' always interesting to watch you work. I sure hope someone out there appreciates all the work you do. Thanks again...Ken
I believe that I can safely say that yes we do appreciate not only Keith's work but also the sharing.
patw52pb1 thank you
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. I have enjoyed every one of them.
New Braunfels, Texas.
Enjoy your stay in SA or give me a shout if you need something.
Thanks Keith, love watching all your video's. Really appreciate you're outside the box thinking, on making your equipment work for you. If your work ever takes you to Minneapolis, I'd like to buy you dinner. Tim
Thank you! I learned a lot from this one.
Hi Keith,
I have been watching your videos for some time now and really enjoy them keep up the good work
Keith I was a machinist for Ingersoll Rand co for 41 years but I do love to watch work with the old machinery ,I could watch you for hours when one video is over I can't wait for the next one. I watch Tubal canine also I guess once chip;s gets in your Blood you never lose it. keep up the good work .
Great job again Keith.
I am new and just going through the older videos and catching up, looks like you hit that 10k mark and just a tad more. Congratulations!
Another great video Keith, I wish you safe travels and I hope you enjoy your time in San Antonio.
Keith,
Thanks for a very interesting video. I like your work around with the K & T mill. Like the saying goes, "Where there's a will, there's a way." It will be interesting to see the machine in action when the project is completed. I hope you and your family have a great Fourth of July celebration! Congratulations on your subscriber count! That proves that folks enjoy the content of your videos, if not to learn a certain tecnique, then to watch a restoration project in action. Thanks again!
Regards,
Dave
Good plan Keith. Screw the “Monday morning quarterbacks”. Full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes!! 👍
Congratulations on your 10k Keith.
Keep the videos coming!
Regards from Boston, England.
nice job keith cant wait to see it finished and running
excellent idea on that table slide!
Your Idea to mill the part worked Great Have a Happy 4th of July !!!
Never seen a sled before. I always re-indicated! Kinda cool sled!
Great work Keith
Just watched the vid you posted of the machine running, looks good can't wait to see some wood chips flying off this thing.
The mark of an excellent machinist is to do a job with the equipment he has available to him.
Hello Keith
Just a great video...production, filming, instruction, explanations and your craftsmanship!
Many lessons within this video that you would never get if you just read machining books.
Also, an interesting machine and it will be cool to see it running in the future!
Congrats on your goals of views/subs!
ATB
Chuck
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Hi Keith,
Couple of nice techniques on how to get it done with what you have on hand...
The nice part about being a machinist is not really to have the machine done but doing it.
Cheers,
Pierre
Keith,
Great Video! Thanks.
Take you camera and show some of your trip to San Antonio!
Thanks for another excellent video. Grey cast iron has a lot of free graphite in it, and therefore needs no lubricant to be machined. You're right the use of cutting oil just makes a big mess.
Great job making due with what you have, I am a farmer as you know we have to do that a lot.
Way to use your noggin keith! Sometimes you have to improvise, adapt, and overcome. Great job!
Mark
I believe the shaper would have been your best bet for this job.
Thank you
clever idea.
The sled sounds like a very sensible move to me.
Nicely done. If you had a bigger machine sooner or later bigger jobs would just come in and that too would be too small. That horizontal machine looks like a beast to me It surprises me you have parts to big for it fairly often. Nice work around for the travel issue. I really enjoy watching these old machines turn out fine work when run by a skilled machinist.
DQ
hmm this casting piece reminds me of a bit of steel rail for some reason, the bottom angle of it... Thanks for another video Keith!
I really enjoy your videos. You restoring the old machines appears to be a great hobby for you. My hobby of watching machining activities on TH-cam is a relaxing moment for me but is probably not as great as doing the work. I hope you and your family have an enjoyable July 4th. Thanks and I'm looking for more....13
I have everything for a complete shop except a lathe and a mill, which I'm in the process of acquiring. My projects will have to wait until Jan. 2015, when I retire. I can't "just walk away" from my highway construction operations.
In the meantime, I'm currently enjoying the drawing/designing of a 1:12 scale working model of my father's sawmill he had in 1954-1958. I'm really looking forward to constructing Dad's mill as one of my first projects.
Thanks for your contribution to my machining education....13
Don't forget you must allow for shrinkage in the casting when making patterns. That is why foundries have what are called shrink scales.
Nice job Keith!
I agree--with this set-up you really don't need lubrication. The carbon in cast iron is a natural lubricant for machine tools. Residual core sand adds to the abrasive nature of the chips, especially at the surface of the casting.
I would have thought that the counterbore would be in the upper area and the threaded section near the machined face.
=Brian=
keith have a good trip.
2014 - the wish for a bigger mill
2020 - the wish finally came true
Keith if you come down I-35 through Austin on your way to San Antonio, I'll wave as you go by. If you end up at the Alamo be sure to check out the historic Menger Hotel right next door not only a beautiful hotel but a ton of history as well.
I kind of expected an acme thread for that elevation screw.
the accuracy of the sled was as accurate as standard woodworking table saw slots so that has to be very good tolerances. almost seemed like woodworking methodology. I like the techniques. I am sure I will use that or something similar.
+ted sykora I was not perfect tolerances, but in this case it was good enough and it got the job done with what I had available to use. There are many ways to do things like this but you are often limited by what you have to get the job done with!
Great videos Keith, just got myself a 1930's Denbigh Horizontal mill in great order. Unfortunately in the UK it's a dying art and if you want quality tooling you have to buy vintage! Luckily I love the old school stuff! Nothing in my shop is Metric!
I think I've been watching to many of these when I'm starting to recognize if it's a K&T mill.
I love the sled idea.i may need to use that soon.would it be a good idea to use an indicator hanging off the verticle ways. And tram in the milled surface after you moved the casting and lost some tolerance?
Nice video, Keith. Why didn't you just use a bigger mill? Just kidding man! I'll be running into some of the same problems soon attempting to machine angle plates for scraping. I broke down and ordered a turret mill, and I may scrape in my RF45 bench mill for a cnc conversion. May, I say hahaha! Still not convinced it's worth it...
A clever solution to the part too big for the tool problem. To my mind, it's analogous to what you do with a board that's wider than your (open arm) thickness sander [wish I had one of those], or wider than your jointer.
Hi Keith really looking forward to see this machine working congratulations on the up coming goals another great video. One question what is your day job ? just interested is all.
Dave
Australia
Nice work figuring out the problem! If you had do make a more precision cut using the same technique once you milled the first part could you have slid it then tramed the work piece (on the large machined surface you just cut) to insure that you where on the same plane after it was slid down? I have also seen Tom over at Ox tool use a piece of thin paper to get cutters to within a thou or so to get a zero without marking the work piece like a touch off can. I'm just trying to learn everything possible from this awesome little community I stumbled across getting into my new hobby of restoring old tools and machines myself. Congrats on the upcoming milestone!
Always enjoy your videos and discourse on the job at hand. If you have time could you comment on the possibility of standing the part up and using a slab mill on the horizontal arbor w / overarm ? Seems like you might make it in one cut or setup. Thanks, Darryl
Great video.
Did you try to mill on Bridgeport, to move and rotate a ram?
34:36 Always amuses me to hear 'heighth' for 'height'. I see the transcript corrects the word to 'height'. I'm pretty sure it's not just Keith that uses 'heighth' and sounding 'dumb' for using it - but anyway, I find it funny - people using odd incorrect words.....
Except 'heighth' has been in use for centuries (1616) and is a recognised equivalent of 'height'
Thanks Keith - for your bizarre education of me in English ! (& Mr Pete - for 'finagle' - which you also used in another video I watched this week ! Not heard of that one before !)
Great job Keith, I bought a Index Mill Model 40 I'll be restoring needs paint and a few small repairs, looking at having the spindle ground from B&S #9 to R8 ?
I know you're using the tools you have, but I'm curious if you would normally use a surface grinder for a job like this? Or is a shell mill the way to go?
I think that's a good solution that you came up with I would have added to it however another follower sled behind it to index it forward with a wedge piece of steel or a piece of spring steel to all these keep it forward in the T slot. T-shirts are fairly accurate not incredibly accurate but fairly accurate you probably would be off no more than a couple of thousands as a matter of fact I have a Chinese meal that's less than 10,000 the off in the horizontal! I was quite surprised to find that out
IT'S TO BAD WHEN YOU WERE MOVING THE SLED YOU DIDN'T JUST PUSH YOUR PART GENTLE AGENST THE CUTTER AT CENTER OR THE PART. THIS WOULD HAVE KEEP THE PART AND SLED IN ALINEMENT WITH THE CUTTER . SAVING YOU A LOT OF HAND WORK.
BUT I LOVE YOU ATTITUDE TOWARDS WORKING WITH WHAT YOU HAVE . I'M. 70 NOW BUT WHEN I WAS YOUNG I LOVED HANGING OUT WILL THE OLD TIME MACHINENEST IN THERE LATE 80S TO 90S DOING GREAT WORK ON USING WORN OUT MACHINES OLDER THEN THEY WERE WHO WORKED WITH . AND THEY WOULD SAY IT'S NOT THE MACHINE BUT THE MACHINENEST WHO KNOWS HOW TO COMPENSATE . AND MAKE DO WITH WHAT THEY HAD.
YOU TALK A LOT LIKE THEM. THANKS FROM DAVID ADAM GRENIS BOULDER COLORADO 80304.
Hi Keith
If the board is coming thru the machine, it might hit the edge of the pressure plate and stop. I guess, the original plate had a small wedge shaped area in the front.
Sorry for my bad english. ;)
I agree it makes perfect sense but I doubt if Keith will be able to work that out for himself.
Would a couple jack screws to push the key on the sled up to the t-slot make it easier to match up when moving the sled?
David Kurtley's idea seems to me to be obviously the right thing to do.You could hear the rattle of the 0.006" when you shook the unclamped moulding. Keeping the key up against one & the same side of the 'T' slot seems an essential operation for accuracy.....that is if the 'T' slots are accurate
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Paraphrasing Rumsfeld: You go to work with the machine tools you have, not the machine tools you wish you had.
Looks to me like the table sled idea worked out just fine.
Just a thought for a lapping surface- couldn't the museum put out a request for a table like your planer? Doesn't need any of the works- just the top and a set of legs. You could even modify to suit if necessary.
***** Hi mate. Would you be willing to farm out some of the projects to viewers? I'm sure that a lot of people would be very happy to share there expertise, and would be tickled pink, in being able to say, I've worked on that, even if they have never been, or had the ability, to go to the museum.
Marcel.
Nice work and good use of available equipment! I want to have a casting made for a table saw quadrant. Can you tell me what shrinkage or expansion factor you used to make your patterns for iron casting and the approximate cost for the pressure plate casting. Thanks
I use a shrink factor of 1/10" - 1/8" per foot, which comes out to 0.8 - 1.0 %.
Thank you.
Does the pressure shoe need some sort of lead in on the front edge to guide the timber or is the lead screw support angled? Just thinking of the edgebanding machines I work on have a lead in/out angle on any tracing shoes.
ZukJimny There is a slight angle on the front of the pressure shoe to help the board get under it.
if you had put a pusher stop in the centre slot you would have been working on one side of the slot and cut down on nearly all of the slop present in the slot,a pusher stop if you hadnt used one before is just a normal slotstop with a screw close to the top.i would never use (as a rule)coolant on cast iron because aswell as the dust(graphite) acting as a lubricant,the water in the coolant rusts the cast iron dust and overnight it can set like concrete in the ways and be a swine to get out(speaking from experience) regards alan
My friend is moving and wants to give one of these mills WITH tool lockers full of sharp cutting tools(big new end mills and wheel cutters)
, various large/heavy cutting head attachments (ie:milling heads, brotcher, etc') Long keyed cutter shafts and things I have not yet figured their exact application. It is quite a machine I'm sure. Not exactly sure what I would use it for just now, except maybe to clean it up and try out some of the configurations it can do. It does have some garage rust from sitting unused- no deep rust pits on the ways. Nothing some caring work with steel wool and Marvel Oil wouldn't address. Not I need to decide to adopt this next week. What to do???
+Patrick Mackle Well, I can tell you what I would do..... Of course, not everybody needs a horizontal mill, but when did I ever let that logic stop me.....
Keith, judging by the size of that table, I'm surprised you can't make use of more of the length of it. I'll have to 'ask' my mill what it's accessible table length actually is !
Where do you get your apron from
Did you make sure the sled was pushed tight against one side of the t-slot?
***** A thought occurs, Would it make sense to have a key that was slightly looser and use wedges that can be tapped into place, thereby insuring that it is referenced off the same edge of the T-slot?
"got a little different twist on that part of it" punny!
Question: What would happen if this happened to have a thread pattern that you cold not get? With the lathe you can cut your own inside/outside threads, but what would you do with something like this piece that you can't turn on a lathe?
There are places that you can have special order taps and dies made, but they are expensive. I thought I was going to either have to have a tap made or make one myself for this project, but I got lucky and found what I needed.
Thanks Keith. I was thinking about a custom made tap, but thought "no way, that's too pricey, must be another way"...I guess not. LOL.
There is so much graphite in cast iron that it lubricates it's self. :)
Good job keith . Could you post the name of the foundry and address please ? Are they reasonable ? I have several peices that I could make patterns for to have poured . Perhaps it would be cheaper to have them do it than buy cast iron bar stock . Thanks .
from the future, you get a bigger mill L0L
OF THE PART. SPQ .
I am no machinist, but I have been watching your videos one after another now for a while and have a question.
Why did you indicate off of the table, when you moved your sled? Could you not have corrected for the .006 by indicating off the freshly milled face and fidgeting with the sled as you clamped it back down to get it just right? You could have used a second indicator if you wanted to keep your table to cutter-head reference also, right? What really matters is that your face to cutter-head remains constant when you slide, not that your table to cutter head remains constant, isn't it? I understand that it's all within your chosen tolerance, I'm asking more... academically.
tiger12506 I would have to go back and look at that video again as it has been a while since I did that job and I don't remember exactly how I did it. But, I based on your comments, I don't see why one could not have done it that way.