One important thing to note on Gin, is that the reason why Gin was able to hurt Aizen in the first place, is because Aizen had already lowered his spiritual pressure to toy with Ichigo's friends to pass the time and wait for Ichigo to get stronger in the Dangai, which made him extremely vulnerable. Otherwise, Gin's Bankai would've never affect him being already a transcendent being. That's why Gin waited for this perfect moment to strike Aizen and didn't do it way before Aizen even had the Hogyoku.
I think Byakuya would win. I think he has the edge on reiatsu and sword fighting skill and speed. Gin has edge on strength and raw power. But Byakuya has long range and if he knows how Gin’s bankai works, he could counter him.
@@-------....___ Gin is just a better Tsukishima in physical aspects, so if Tsukishima could attack Byakuya knowing the weakness of Senbonzakura, I don't see it for Gin to be a problem knowing how smart Gin is
Several things I disagree with. -tsukishima: he doesn't create a new past. He literally inserts himself into a past. He can take the place of whoever he likes. but he doesn't gain their qualities. He can gain knowledge from experience, but he didn't gain the kindness of orihimes older brother, nor would he gain the power to beat aizen. -byakuya didnt cut yammys leg. Zaraki did. In the manga panel, we see yammy look in the opposite direction of where his leg was cut, from where the kido was fired(the kido was obviously being fired by byakuya). And when we cut to zaraki, zaraki was already at that opposite side if yammy, while byakuya had to flashstep there. So no, byakuya has no scaling to yammy. Even in bankai, he could barely scratched a weakened yamnys face, while zaraki took a chunkbout of his shoulder. Byakuyas kido did nothing to yammy. There's 0 reason to believe his base sword could. -byakuya did struggle with zommari base to base and only beat zommari due to a direct counter in abilities. Apply shikai and bankai, and byakuya in this arc wouldn't even make it past noitorra. Ordinarily u wouldn't be able to scale shikai this way because it's just an extra ability, not a multiplier, but in byakuyas case, his shikai is literally a severely nerfed version of his bankai. That's it. - byakuya and renjis training post arrancar arc. They said they're training TO beat aizen, not that they actually reached that lvl. If characters like renji can achieve aizen lvl power in just 2 years, you'd expect senior captains who r much older than aizen to be severely more powerful than him, even in the fkt arc, but they aren't. Training to beat aizen=/=beating aizen. -and that's just base aizen. The lore is literally that it's impossible to ascend to where aizen got to without crossing the boundaries of other races. -one thing u can take from as nodts battle is that byakuya jumped straight to bankai, meaning by that time, base as nodt would've beaten shikai byakuya. Add vollstanding and as nodt would've come out on top regardless of whether byakuya had his bankai stolen or not. -other sources suggests that mental nerfs were the main reason ichigo couldn't do anything to gin at all -its implied that aizen had suppressed hus rieatsu vs gin because tatsuki could sense butterfly aizen, whereas ishiin couldn't sense chrysalis aizen. For the vs battles: the databooks aren't covering potential. Otherwise, neither zaraki or toshiro would have larger than 50 on ANYTHING, as toshiro is still young and zaraki had more than 90% of his power suppressed away. The stats aren't wrong, but simply don't cover everything needed for battle. Example: attack speed hax spiritual pressure, etc. So take databooks or not, gin still clears up to his death for 2 reasons. 1. Gin being around the same age as byakuya, is tge one considered a prodigy. His skills would need to be vastly superior to byakuyas if thus we're the case. - the og reason aizen allowed gin as a subordinate in the 1st place is because of his skill. Even if aizen figured gin out sometimes later, aizen taking interest in gín skill wouldnt be possible if gin could lose to someone weaker than noitorra. So up to his death, I have gin winning, mid diff at most. Byakuya post rg training has insane stats so I have him winning over gin.
@@ognjenradanovic1256 he was not trying and fending off bankai Ichigo. A post SS bankai ichigo who was MUCH stronger than the Byakuya he almost one shot by being so fast. A Byakuya who can beat the fastest espada with just one leg
@@owlflame Doesn’t matter if he was trying or not Base RG Byakuya is leagues above. He’s stronger than Base Renji who can tank Mask’s Murder Punch which increases his AP by 10x mind you normal Mask before this was one shotting Bankai Captains a feat Gin has got nothing on. Even Base RG Byakuya can react to VS Robert who blitzed Shikai Shunsui.
Gin is litterally better captain than the most. He comes after the old big for : Yama, Shinsui, Ukitake, Unohana and also after the goats : Aizen, Urahara, Kenpachi.
@ogata100nosuke byakuya didnt low diff yammy. His kido did nothing damage to initial release yammy and even in a weakened state, byakuya barely managed to scratch yammys face with his bankai. Zaraki was the main fighting force with byakuya clearly as support and it wasn't no or low diff.
@jstVybz lol they are my two most favorite bleach characters for one. And stat wise they both have the ability to one shot eachother. It's a matter of who shoots 1st.
@@TymeTraveling777 Post rg training byakuya was explicitly stated to be relative to post amp toshiro and kenpachi during tybw. Gin technically has a way to win through his Bankai but post training byakuya severely out-stats him so it’s pretty much impossible for gin to pull off unless byakuya turned off his brain cells.
tsukushima beat butterfly aizen in his past imagination when he can only gain knowledge but not power (LOL). so byakuya beats aizen too xD. gin stomp most of captain even in tbyw arc. mostly because most captains and sternritter wont hold a candle to 1st form aizen.
Well it isn't his imagination, and it is more than just gaining knowledge as we see it physically affects the present. Especially in the case with Yhwach. But I can see your point about Gin stomping most individuals. If you'd like to join the server and discuss you're more than welcome to 😁
The biggest crime Kubo committed is not showing more of Gin 😭
I know right
Facts 😭😭
One important thing to note on Gin, is that the reason why Gin was able to hurt Aizen in the first place, is because Aizen had already lowered his spiritual pressure to toy with Ichigo's friends to pass the time and wait for Ichigo to get stronger in the Dangai, which made him extremely vulnerable.
Otherwise, Gin's Bankai would've never affect him being already a transcendent being. That's why Gin waited for this perfect moment to strike Aizen and didn't do it way before Aizen even had the Hogyoku.
That's not true. Gon could have killed him early but didn't know how to counter ks
Gin beats pre Royal Palace training Byakuya.
After that Byakuya mid diffs
Yup, and if Gin lived, he would've had a massive scale up in power too, especially given that he has always been a prodigy.
I think Byakuya would win. I think he has the edge on reiatsu and sword fighting skill and speed. Gin has edge on strength and raw power. But Byakuya has long range and if he knows how Gin’s bankai works, he could counter him.
Pre royal palace Byakuya isn't fast enough to dodge Gin's Bankai@@-------....___
@@ВладСоболєв-у6у Possibly. But his Senbonzakura is still a long range and widespread ability.
But yeah, Gin prolly might just win
@@-------....___ Gin is just a better Tsukishima in physical aspects, so if Tsukishima could attack Byakuya knowing the weakness of Senbonzakura, I don't see it for Gin to be a problem knowing how smart Gin is
Several things I disagree with.
-tsukishima: he doesn't create a new past. He literally inserts himself into a past. He can take the place of whoever he likes. but he doesn't gain their qualities. He can gain knowledge from experience, but he didn't gain the kindness of orihimes older brother, nor would he gain the power to beat aizen.
-byakuya didnt cut yammys leg. Zaraki did. In the manga panel, we see yammy look in the opposite direction of where his leg was cut, from where the kido was fired(the kido was obviously being fired by byakuya). And when we cut to zaraki, zaraki was already at that opposite side if yammy, while byakuya had to flashstep there. So no, byakuya has no scaling to yammy. Even in bankai, he could barely scratched a weakened yamnys face, while zaraki took a chunkbout of his shoulder. Byakuyas kido did nothing to yammy. There's 0 reason to believe his base sword could.
-byakuya did struggle with zommari base to base and only beat zommari due to a direct counter in abilities. Apply shikai and bankai, and byakuya in this arc wouldn't even make it past noitorra. Ordinarily u wouldn't be able to scale shikai this way because it's just an extra ability, not a multiplier, but in byakuyas case, his shikai is literally a severely nerfed version of his bankai. That's it.
- byakuya and renjis training post arrancar arc. They said they're training TO beat aizen, not that they actually reached that lvl. If characters like renji can achieve aizen lvl power in just 2 years, you'd expect senior captains who r much older than aizen to be severely more powerful than him, even in the fkt arc, but they aren't. Training to beat aizen=/=beating aizen.
-and that's just base aizen. The lore is literally that it's impossible to ascend to where aizen got to without crossing the boundaries of other races.
-one thing u can take from as nodts battle is that byakuya jumped straight to bankai, meaning by that time, base as nodt would've beaten shikai byakuya. Add vollstanding and as nodt would've come out on top regardless of whether byakuya had his bankai stolen or not.
-other sources suggests that mental nerfs were the main reason ichigo couldn't do anything to gin at all
-its implied that aizen had suppressed hus rieatsu vs gin because tatsuki could sense butterfly aizen, whereas ishiin couldn't sense chrysalis aizen.
For the vs battles: the databooks aren't covering potential. Otherwise, neither zaraki or toshiro would have larger than 50 on ANYTHING, as toshiro is still young and zaraki had more than 90% of his power suppressed away. The stats aren't wrong, but simply don't cover everything needed for battle. Example: attack speed hax spiritual pressure, etc. So take databooks or not, gin still clears up to his death for 2 reasons.
1. Gin being around the same age as byakuya, is tge one considered a prodigy. His skills would need to be vastly superior to byakuyas if thus we're the case.
- the og reason aizen allowed gin as a subordinate in the 1st place is because of his skill. Even if aizen figured gin out sometimes later, aizen taking interest in gín skill wouldnt be possible if gin could lose to someone weaker than noitorra.
So up to his death, I have gin winning, mid diff at most.
Byakuya post rg training has insane stats so I have him winning over gin.
Interesting thoughts. If you want you can join the server and we can discuss 😁
aizen not being able to neg gins ability says enough to me about who would win. There’s no version of byakuya who could do that imo.
Great video!
Thanks! A lot more to come😁
Before TYBW? Gin no doubt but after RG training… Byakuya can bully him in base
Supposedly. I think we’re underestimating Gin based on a fight he wasn’t really trying in.
Bro people overrate him based on him not trying @@owlflame
@@ognjenradanovic1256 he was not trying and fending off bankai Ichigo. A post SS bankai ichigo who was MUCH stronger than the Byakuya he almost one shot by being so fast. A Byakuya who can beat the fastest espada with just one leg
@@owlflame Doesn’t matter if he was trying or not Base RG Byakuya is leagues above. He’s stronger than Base Renji who can tank Mask’s Murder Punch which increases his AP by 10x mind you normal Mask before this was one shotting Bankai Captains a feat Gin has got nothing on. Even Base RG Byakuya can react to VS Robert who blitzed Shikai Shunsui.
@@MagicianSama mask is from the TobW…
I was surprised that Zaraki tried to provoke Byakuya into battle and not Gin who is just as bloodlusted as he is.
@@Grayson-Winchester That would be a badass fight
I truly think both knew Byakuya was emotionally compromised. Zaraki handled it by provocation, but Gin is smarter and just used Zaraki.
As much as I love my glorious elegant king, I have to admit Gin is stronger.
Gin stronger up until Fullbring Byakuya imo
@@jstVybzFullbring isn't strong enough. After royal palace training Byakuya is stronger
Gin is litterally better captain than the most.
He comes after the old big for : Yama, Shinsui, Ukitake, Unohana and also after the goats : Aizen, Urahara, Kenpachi.
Agreed. Gin has always been one of my favorites
Byakuya has been around just as long as Gin
@dejones803 it's talking about power, and gin being the prodigy while being the same age as byakuya says a lot.
Eos byakuya is a stupid powerhouse. That royal training hits different bro
High quality video!
It’s kind of interesting how both of their swords break down to use its ability. In different ways of course. I would love to watch this fight.
@@Hupp93 Ya know I didn't think about that similarity but you're right! And it most certainly would be an epic fight
I think this video does a great job in sealing the fact that Espada no 1 is stronger than Espada no 4 😊
The real reason Aizen allowed Gin so close is because he was a true prodigy. Without belonging to one of the four noble family.
unohana never said that ichigo was as strong as her
Maybe tsuckishima got stronger in TYBW arc, but i dont think he could beat butterfly Aizen. 👍
@@kelvinallen9327 The way the BotE works seems to imply he could. If you'd like you can join the discord to discuss 😁
Espata 11? Another Espata number twist!
He was Espada 11 cause he was the first one Aizen evolved
What do you use to edit?
My editor uses Adobe
@jstVybz is it free?
@@klemen3166 Nah I think he said it's $22 a month but he's in the discord if you have any other questions. Link to it is in the vid description 😁
Keep the Bleach coming!!
Definitely more to come!! 😁
It would be a more decent video if you lowered the volume of the music so I didn’t have such a difficult time hearing what you were saying.
@@lord_haven1114 Yeah so I've heard 😅. I'll be sure to lower the volume on the music next vid
Nice. I’ll give it a thumbs up and look forward to the next 🙂
Byakuya is stronger.
Maybe by the end of the TYBW arc but before that I don’t think he is
@@lankeysob Ichigo was mentally nerfed when he was fighting with gin
And bykuya low or no diff yami and 6th espada while limbs injured
@@ogata100nosukegin wasn’t serious
@ogata100nosuke byakuya didnt low diff yammy. His kido did nothing damage to initial release yammy and even in a weakened state, byakuya barely managed to scratch yammys face with his bankai. Zaraki was the main fighting force with byakuya clearly as support and it wasn't no or low diff.
cut the music in your next video
Gin wins if he doesn't doe. But after swuad zero training bykya got alot stronger. Gin woyldnhave also got stronger
Tie
@@TymeTraveling777 interesting 🤔 what makes you say that?
@jstVybz lol they are my two most favorite bleach characters for one. And stat wise they both have the ability to one shot eachother. It's a matter of who shoots 1st.
@@TymeTraveling777
Post rg training byakuya was explicitly stated to be relative to post amp toshiro and kenpachi during tybw. Gin technically has a way to win through his Bankai but post training byakuya severely out-stats him so it’s pretty much impossible for gin to pull off unless byakuya turned off his brain cells.
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tsukushima beat butterfly aizen in his past imagination when he can only gain knowledge but not power (LOL). so byakuya beats aizen too xD. gin stomp most of captain even in tbyw arc. mostly because most captains and sternritter wont hold a candle to 1st form aizen.
Well it isn't his imagination, and it is more than just gaining knowledge as we see it physically affects the present. Especially in the case with Yhwach. But I can see your point about Gin stomping most individuals. If you'd like to join the server and discuss you're more than welcome to 😁