Wow, this is how it works. There is no timer cooldown on 3oC. The quote from Bungie is, "The drop chance from 3oC will be nerfed when killing Ultras in rapid succession." Succession doesn't mean time, rather it only refers to the order of occurrence. The only time your 3oC drop chance is nerfed is after you kill an Ultra until you kill about 30 adds then you are good to go. They are never nerfed during Crucible so popping one every match is fine. On the Valus Ta'aurc strike it can get messed up if the Taken Champion spawns instead of the tank as he is an Ultra, just clear out the first room and after hang out in the Valley of the Kings to get enough kills inbetween. When farming the Ultra Knight you want to kill 10 to 15 adds in the first area and kill all the adds on the way to him. There are also 2 Ultras you can summon in the start area with a Wormsingers Rune and a Skyburners Command Beacon, and a Taken Champion if you see a Cleanse the Blight patrol beacon, just make sure you kill 30 adds in between Ultra kills. If you log out or change characters at all the stackable bonus chance from 3oC disappears. This is why you hear people complaining about using 50+ and not getting an engram. From my testing the drop chance seems to start near 15% with 10% added each time you don't get a drop and burn another one, and this seems to max out at around 65%. My average is 8 3oC per drop. Sometimes it takes 12 to 14. Sometimes back to back. I average a drop every 10 to 20 minutes of farming Dreadnought patrol. One time on Earth patrol I got 4 in 10 minutes using Blight Cleanse patrol, VIP Troll patrol, and Taken event Champions just by making sure to kill 30 adds between Ultra kills. I hope this helps everyone fulfill their exotic desires and ease their light level increasing efforts. Thank You.
The last time I farmed Draksis I got 6 drops from 30 3oC in 30 minutes, the next day I went back and got 3 drops from 48 3oC. The methods where you kill Ultras in rapid succession still works and can be fast but is unpredictable. If you don't care how many 3oC you burn they are generally the most time efficient. If you are trying to get a many drops from as few 3oC as you can in PvE make sure to kill 30 adds in between Ultra kills. Or you could load into the Elimination playlist as those matches can be quick, just make sure not to suicide to tank the match.
+Vivian Kurayami Unfortunately there are only 6 adds at the start in the boss room and only a few more spawn during the fight, about a dozen adds in total so you just have to accept the nerfed drop chance. I have yet to try running backwards to see if there are 10 to 20 adds behind that you could kill, but this would take so long that I just farm the Ultra Knight as you can do patrol beacons at the same time.
+Vivian Kurayami Actually just thinking about it killing the first Ultra on the Black Garden mission and wiping may be the fastest as there are all the Vex Goblins at the start of the encounter and enough spawn when the statue activates to get you to that 30 mark before going for the kill. Thanks, I'm gonna try this :)
Extremely helpful information. You're the best, thank you. I used to have more frequent exotic engram drops via crucible pre RoI. Since Roi, it at least feels like the drop is half as often. I wondered what method post RoI was the best. I seriously appreciate you taking the 8+ hours to do this research. Really appreciate it.
The amount of effort and dedication you put into your videos never ceases to amaze me. Keep up the great work. Your content is an amazing resource for the Destiny community.
Thank god PD helped you out, without them I would probably never have heard about you, and your channel is one of the most helpful Destiny channels out there! Great video btw :D
Thanks so much for making this. I started a character on PS4 and was worried it would take forever to collect all the exotics again. Having this informative will certainly help.
I'd been using Draksis lately, including over the weekend before the LL cap went up - I used about 150 ToC over two days and got 18 exotic engrams. I'm not sure how lucrative farming Draksis used to be, so I can't tell if that's below what it used to be or above, but that fight seems to reset pretty quickly. Granted I've also tried Iron Tomb. For pros vs. cons between the two...Iron Tomb gets you multiple chances before you need to reset and requires no heavy ammo, but each time you go in to do it you have to start fresh. Draksis does give you a checkpoint you can reuse, but if you fail to murder-suicide with rockets, you have to start over again. It also requires rockets for a murder-suicide and can drain your number of heavy ammo synths. Both do have a secondary benefit of giving you plenty of House Banners and Ether Seeds. I had 151 House Banners in my vault (just over 30k worth of glimmer) and 444 Ether Seeds at one point, so you can easily stock up on synths with Variks.
I'd just like to point something out... the best engram farms are the three end story missions The Black Garden, Regicide, and The Iron Temple this is because the only way bungie knows to make a story mode mission harder is by adding more bosses... so it's more effective because you can kill more without having to reset but I think by far the best of the three is obviously the low level Vanilla one The Black Garden has a super convenient checkpoint for the last boss fight and you can kill each boss absurdly quick it puzzles me how quickly this mission is overlooked and forgotten...
Good info. Been farming Ultra Knight on Dreadnaught for yonks; usually works out as 1 exotic / 5-6 3oCoins. Also, it has, every other blue moon, dropped a double exotic engram. Yeh! and dbl-yeh!
The reason why the Iron Tomb mission is pretty efficient is that part of the 3oC cooldown is for killing the same Ultra repeatedly. You can see this most vividly by doing the Eye of a Gate Lord mission over and over again since you can go to orbit immediately after killing him and retain that checkpoint. If you do only that mission, your drop chance is abysmal (~6-7%). The key to the Iron Tomb is killing that second Ultra so that it's not the same Ultra in succession (I even switch up between Jolder and Gheleon as the second kill before wiping). The most efficient method from a purely numbers and not time perspective is to rotate checkpoints where you have quick access to Ultras (Eye of a Gate Lord, Scourge of Winter if you have rockets, Black Garden, etc.) so that you're killing different Ultras in rapid succession while not repeating the same Ultra for 10-15 minutes. The most efficient from a time perspective is the Iron Tomb, given that the different Ultras appear and can be killed more quickly than in the Black Garden mission. Someone like me who has ~200 3oC on each character will care more about the time saved than the couple of extra coins spent per exotic.
black garden is pretty efficient as well, you can reload it after you kill the third one as well. I don't know if it is faster, but some testing would be necessary.
For the Iron Tomb farm, you don't need to keep getting ammo from the fire. Your ax doesn't disappear so if you run out of ammo, hit them once, then do the smash.
Hi Patrick I just wanted to ask a few questions. 1. have you tried to do this same strategy for farming on The Black Garden mission. And if you havn't could you please try it all you have to do is at the end of killing an minotaur ultra you pop a three of coins. Then once you do that with all three you leave the mission then come back and repeat. You spawn at the very end with the three minotaurs instead of having to do the hole mission again. 2. If you have done this farming method how does it compare to your method that you explained in this video
100% going to be doing this before they release a patch. I need those Exotic Warlock Boots, purely because I've said since day one of Destiny, we need Boots!
Eclipse I don't mind them. They come in hand for the Raid when hardly any other Warlock Exotic does. Most are great for PvP, hardly any are worth it for PvE.
When you do Regicide for 3 of Coins, do you do the 3-boss, 4-boss, or 5-boss method? When I farm Regicide I load it up on Heroic, and I kill the Ultra Knight, the Heroic-only Tortured Knight, as well as the usual 3 ultras in the mission. Would you say that's still a less efficient method than farming the Iron Tomb?
Ok, I tried it out... Farmed the Iron tomb mission as you said. Drop a 3 of coin, killed one and did it over and over again... I did it with 100 x 3 of coin s, in the end after using 100 of them I ended up with 8 Exotic engrams... that took me around 90 minutes. Looks like you had a good RNG, I'm not complaining to be honest. Thanks for the advise !
in the iron tomb mission if i get an exotic engram from the first dude i kill can i get one from the second as well? also do i have to restart mission if i get an engram or can i jusy die and restart check point?
Do you think we should be able to put the Trials/Raid/Days of Iron ornaments on exotic armor? That these exotics would take on the models of the ornamented legendaries?
I conducted an experiment prior to the release of the Rise of Iron DLC - the original intent was to see how many exotic engrams I could save up prior to the release (I ended up with 194 in a 2.5 month period). I started on or near July 4th through the release of Rise of Iron. The numbers in my data closely match the drop rate of 1 in 7 coins you noted in the Tomb mission. My data came up with 1 drop in 6.1 coins - you can look at that also as 1 drop in 6 or 7 "events". I'll email you my data if interest.
According to one TH-camr I watch a lot, the cool down timer isn't really a cool down timer. Instead when you pop 3oC you have a 1/7 chance of getting an exotic. However if you wait a few minutes after popping one that chance will increase to 1/5. This is just his theory, so I don't know if he's on to something or if he's completely off base.
To do the ultra knight properly you need to switch characters then run it! The ToC cooldown is only on that particular character, not the account. So you have the full chance to drop if you switch to all 3 characters
The black garden mission is great for this. I got about 11 exotics in 1 hour just killing the first 2 sol progeny then killing myself and repeating it.
you can kill all 4 ultras in black garden and hit orbit right after your 3rd ultra kill..YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FLY IN AGAIN THE FINAL 3 ULTRAS ENCOUNTER...
You can kill all three Ultras, then jump over the edge of the bridge when self destruct starts. You'll respawn back at the beginning of the boss encounter
HI PATRICK!can i request a video? can you do a comparison between the waltz from future war cult pulse rifle and the clever dragon? would really like to know the difference!
clever dragon wins. and for the future, I dont really do comparison videos like that. ill examine everything, but weapon vs weapon doesnt really make for interesting content in the longrun.
I've used the Black Garden mission on normal mode. Pop a 3ofC before each ultra vex boss and then go right to orbit as soon as you kill the last vex boss. I've averaged 1 3xotic per 3-4 boss kills, that is each boss not 3-4 mission runs. Going back to orbit after killing the last boss saves your check point also. Easy exotic farming.
think you can make a video on the heavy weapon meta? proximity rockets seem a little underwhelming and machine guns are feeling really nice (especially nemesis star)
Jalbie D i think its fine now compared to how it used to be rockets with proximity were a must and with machine guns the reason why they're nice is because of the rockets but i feel like the grenades and horseshoes are at a good place right now =)
To add a few more informations for this. I've experienced double exotic drops from 1 single 3oC as well, both for killing an Ultra/Boss and for completing a PvP match. Even other players in my and the enemy team managed to get double drops. It is rare, but it can happen. In general I would say the best methods to farm Light level would be PvP content. Regular crucible has a high chance to drop weapons on a regular basis all the way up to 400 light, even class items drop there. Trials of Osiris is great to farm armor. It's not as frequent as the weapon drops from the regular crucible, but you can still farm armor drops that go all the way to 400 light. Also, Trials of Osiris matches can be rather short compared to most other game modes. with a good team or a particular bad team you can finish off matches pretty quickly compared once again to the regular crucible content. This is just anectodal, but from personal experience it seems like exotic drops are more frequent in Trials, getting drops every third and fourth match feels like a pretty high drop rate. But then again. Its RNG. would love to hear from others if they experienced higher drop rates as well in Trials or if it is just me and my friends that think of that.
I'm not sure if there is a higher 3oC drop rate from Trials, that may be anecdotal, but it certainly feels faster due to match length. I've found you can load into the Elimination playlist with similar results.
Mr Casey, you neglected to mention a crucial bit of data. A crucible bit of data. Crucible while it may not be the most prlific of engram hunting spots does also have a chance of dropping up to LL 400 gear. If one's goal is to raise LL past the rep package limit of 390, crucible becomes the best spot outside of heroic raiding.
i have done this many times before this video and its consistant. i have also notice on my first go through my first exotic would drop in less then 5 3oc. it migt be worth swapping characters on your first and 2nd atemp, its time consuming but if it nets more then its worth it. i think there is a typ of cooldown just not sure how long.
Patrol is really effective too, cosmosrome works best. The Taken Patrol beacons,Troll Patrol VIP Archon boss in the Divide, and the random Taken events all work well if you want to farm rep and exotics simultaneously. I do agree Patrol is only second most effective to Iron Tomb
I've gotten 4 in 10 minutes before doing this. Just make sure to kill around 30+ adds inbetween Ultra kills to unnerf the drop chance which is easy to do on patrol.
I'm surprised you don't mention the black garden mission. I think it's the final mission of vanilla. Each of the minotaurs is eligible for 3oC. You can kill all three then quickly jump to orbit and then re-enter the mission and it will start you at the bosses. I even rotate between characters to get around any cool down that may or may not exist.
There must honestly be a difference between PS4 drop rates versus Xbox one. Please test the difference between consoles. My farming experience hasn't proved very fruitful
That may be your belief. I can admit it is better than farming strikes. But I have trouble getting more than four or five exotics per hour on iron tomb and he is bringing on more than twice that on average. I have done10 runs=x2 bosses so 20 coins without getting an exotic to drop. You're experience may differ so take your be and shove it.
I don't get 3oC sometimes... usually it feels like the 1 exotic every 7 coins but I have done 18 strikes in a row and not get a single exotic. How is that possible? No skeleton keys either. The moment I swap characters, I get an exotic on the 2nd strike. It felt like I ran into a bug...
My favourite is eye of a gatelord, make sure all 3 chars have the checkpoint. Keep killing until you get a drop, then switch to your other characters and repeat indefinitely.
I hate that they say to use them one at a time, but can still accidentally activate another one. I once thought I didn't have on eon when a boss was about to die, then remembered that I did and wasted one. Either let stacking actually work or make them unusable until the previous buff is deactivated.
Try Challenge of the Elders. Those three bosses are super easy to kill now, especially if you have a gjallarhorn or sleeper. You can complete it under 5 minutes. But this is probably a better route if you're soloing it.
I dont know if this is just plain coincidence but every time i get an exotic engram fast its after i used 1 3oC then killed myself or got nothin and used 2 3oC after that run. Nevertheless always
Why did you not include The back garden mission, you can do this for all three boss's and on third boss kill go to orbit and do it again. i find i get alot of engrams there normally about 3 exotocs per 20 coins i usally stop at 20 if i dont get the 3rd engram
So i tried this tonight, first went to the black garden mission and used 12 3oc and got one exotic then went to the iron tomb mission and got 8 exotics from 30 3oc and its so easy and quick to farm, shame I ran out of 3oc.
alternate characters, play different strikes, play a crucible match occasionally....that's how I "farm" exotics. switch characters after each exotic engram, change missions/game type, play until I get an exotic engram and repeat.
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Wow, this is how it works. There is no timer cooldown on 3oC. The quote from Bungie is, "The drop chance from 3oC will be nerfed when killing Ultras in rapid succession." Succession doesn't mean time, rather it only refers to the order of occurrence. The only time your 3oC drop chance is nerfed is after you kill an Ultra until you kill about 30 adds then you are good to go. They are never nerfed during Crucible so popping one every match is fine. On the Valus Ta'aurc strike it can get messed up if the Taken Champion spawns instead of the tank as he is an Ultra, just clear out the first room and after hang out in the Valley of the Kings to get enough kills inbetween.
When farming the Ultra Knight you want to kill 10 to 15 adds in the first area and kill all the adds on the way to him. There are also 2 Ultras you can summon in the start area with a Wormsingers Rune and a Skyburners Command Beacon, and a Taken Champion if you see a Cleanse the Blight patrol beacon, just make sure you kill 30 adds in between Ultra kills.
If you log out or change characters at all the stackable bonus chance from 3oC disappears. This is why you hear people complaining about using 50+ and not getting an engram.
From my testing the drop chance seems to start near 15% with 10% added each time you don't get a drop and burn another one, and this seems to max out at around 65%. My average is 8 3oC per drop. Sometimes it takes 12 to 14. Sometimes back to back. I average a drop every 10 to 20 minutes of farming Dreadnought patrol. One time on Earth patrol I got 4 in 10 minutes using Blight Cleanse patrol, VIP Troll patrol, and Taken event Champions just by making sure to kill 30 adds between Ultra kills.
I hope this helps everyone fulfill their exotic desires and ease their light level increasing efforts. Thank You.
The last time I farmed Draksis I got 6 drops from 30 3oC in 30 minutes, the next day I went back and got 3 drops from 48 3oC. The methods where you kill Ultras in rapid succession still works and can be fast but is unpredictable. If you don't care how many 3oC you burn they are generally the most time efficient. If you are trying to get a many drops from as few 3oC as you can in PvE make sure to kill 30 adds in between Ultra kills.
Or you could load into the Elimination playlist as those matches can be quick, just make sure not to suicide to tank the match.
So ideally for Draksis you'd want to kill all the adds in his room after each murder-suicide on him for it to work best then?
+Vivian Kurayami Unfortunately there are only 6 adds at the start in the boss room and only a few more spawn during the fight, about a dozen adds in total so you just have to accept the nerfed drop chance. I have yet to try running backwards to see if there are 10 to 20 adds behind that you could kill, but this would take so long that I just farm the Ultra Knight as you can do patrol beacons at the same time.
+Vivian Kurayami Actually just thinking about it killing the first Ultra on the Black Garden mission and wiping may be the fastest as there are all the Vex Goblins at the start of the encounter and enough spawn when the statue activates to get you to that 30 mark before going for the kill. Thanks, I'm gonna try this :)
So kill 30 adds + pop one 3oC + kill Ultra = exotic engram!
Extremely helpful information. You're the best, thank you. I used to have more frequent exotic engram drops via crucible pre RoI. Since Roi, it at least feels like the drop is half as often. I wondered what method post RoI was the best.
I seriously appreciate you taking the 8+ hours to do this research. Really appreciate it.
The amount of effort and dedication you put into your videos never ceases to amaze me. Keep up the great work. Your content is an amazing resource for the Destiny community.
Thank god PD helped you out, without them I would probably never have heard about you, and your channel is one of the most helpful Destiny channels out there! Great video btw :D
wow, 10 in a hour is insane, honestly might make it a tradition of doing this non stop while listening to the podcast every week
Thanks Patrick! Yet another descriptive, informative and incredibly useful video.
perfect timing on this vid mate! loving your channel lately! keep up the good work
Welp, back to the Iron Tomb!
Thanks so much for making this. I started a character on PS4 and was worried it would take forever to collect all the exotics again. Having this informative will certainly help.
good video. love the content from you recently and the channel has flourished. good shit
Short, sweet and to the point. Love it.
Thank you for putting in the time to make this video. Very informative!
Thank you so much for all the work you do for this playerbase. This is beyond helpful.
I'm a long time fan of yours from Planet Destiny. It's nice to see you making videos. I instantly subscribed.
I'd been using Draksis lately, including over the weekend before the LL cap went up - I used about 150 ToC over two days and got 18 exotic engrams. I'm not sure how lucrative farming Draksis used to be, so I can't tell if that's below what it used to be or above, but that fight seems to reset pretty quickly. Granted I've also tried Iron Tomb. For pros vs. cons between the two...Iron Tomb gets you multiple chances before you need to reset and requires no heavy ammo, but each time you go in to do it you have to start fresh. Draksis does give you a checkpoint you can reuse, but if you fail to murder-suicide with rockets, you have to start over again. It also requires rockets for a murder-suicide and can drain your number of heavy ammo synths. Both do have a secondary benefit of giving you plenty of House Banners and Ether Seeds. I had 151 House Banners in my vault (just over 30k worth of glimmer) and 444 Ether Seeds at one point, so you can easily stock up on synths with Variks.
Thanks dude! This video really helped me, as I mainly tried to farm strikes.
I'd just like to point something out... the best engram farms are the three end story missions The Black Garden, Regicide, and The Iron Temple this is because the only way bungie knows to make a story mode mission harder is by adding more bosses... so it's more effective because you can kill more without having to reset but I think by far the best of the three is obviously the low level Vanilla one The Black Garden has a super convenient checkpoint for the last boss fight and you can kill each boss absurdly quick it puzzles me how quickly this mission is overlooked and forgotten...
MixedInterests I do that every day. Its too puzzles me how its forgotten.
MixedInterests Me Three. I'd farm the Garden over this one. it's much much faster. .
I agree as well, it's the only one I farm.
MixedInterests did bungie not patch the black garden so it doesn't work
bob alkhwyter no still works just fine.
Just when I thought I was done grinding... Thanks for the vid, Patrick!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO! HAPPY HALLOWEEN HOLTZMAN!
Thanks Patrick for this video, it's really helpful and well done.
Keep it up!
Love you ya, Holtz. You're the reason I can still enjoy destiny outside of crucible
Hey! Awesome analysis! Thanks for the tip and manhours spent.
Thanks Patrick, and I absolutely love how DCP is going
I've been using draksis this whole time. this will truly save me much more time. thank you
And all this time I thought ToCs were only for Strikes. I'm going to try this method right now. Thanks.
Thank you so much for making this video!
i usually do Eye of the Gatelord final boss. yeah, you got to back out before it ends and reload the mission, but it's kinda chill
Thx for the insight. Helpful video. Thumbs up.
Good info. Been farming Ultra Knight on Dreadnaught for yonks; usually works out as 1 exotic / 5-6 3oCoins. Also, it has, every other blue moon, dropped a double exotic engram. Yeh! and dbl-yeh!
The reason why the Iron Tomb mission is pretty efficient is that part of the 3oC cooldown is for killing the same Ultra repeatedly. You can see this most vividly by doing the Eye of a Gate Lord mission over and over again since you can go to orbit immediately after killing him and retain that checkpoint. If you do only that mission, your drop chance is abysmal (~6-7%). The key to the Iron Tomb is killing that second Ultra so that it's not the same Ultra in succession (I even switch up between Jolder and Gheleon as the second kill before wiping).
The most efficient method from a purely numbers and not time perspective is to rotate checkpoints where you have quick access to Ultras (Eye of a Gate Lord, Scourge of Winter if you have rockets, Black Garden, etc.) so that you're killing different Ultras in rapid succession while not repeating the same Ultra for 10-15 minutes. The most efficient from a time perspective is the Iron Tomb, given that the different Ultras appear and can be killed more quickly than in the Black Garden mission. Someone like me who has ~200 3oC on each character will care more about the time saved than the couple of extra coins spent per exotic.
Awesome video Pat
black garden is pretty efficient as well, you can reload it after you kill the third one as well. I don't know if it is faster, but some testing would be necessary.
i've been thinking of doing this. thanks for testing it
Yeah man. That works very well!! 4 exotics in 20 min. Thank you :-)
For the Iron Tomb farm, you don't need to keep getting ammo from the fire. Your ax doesn't disappear so if you run out of ammo, hit them once, then do the smash.
When the Iron Axe is flaming, it gets a damage boost. So keeping it flaming is to your benefit. It is also an optimal time to pop a 3oC.
Hi Patrick I just wanted to ask a few questions. 1. have you tried to do this same strategy for farming on The Black Garden mission. And if you havn't could you please try it all you have to do is at the end of killing an minotaur ultra you pop a three of coins. Then once you do that with all three you leave the mission then come back and repeat. You spawn at the very end with the three minotaurs instead of having to do the hole mission again. 2. If you have done this farming method how does it compare to your method that you explained in this video
100% going to be doing this before they release a patch. I need those Exotic Warlock Boots, purely because I've said since day one of Destiny, we need Boots!
burns0100 The warlock boots are probably the worst exotic in the game
Eclipse I don't mind them. They come in hand for the Raid when hardly any other Warlock Exotic does. Most are great for PvP, hardly any are worth it for PvE.
Eclipse they are fantastic for Zamboni
Eclipse you seriously think the boots are that bad.... i think they are amazing
Eclipse they're one of the most useful things in the game right now. Having them on for any boss fight is extraordinary useful.
When you do Regicide for 3 of Coins, do you do the 3-boss, 4-boss, or 5-boss method? When I farm Regicide I load it up on Heroic, and I kill the Ultra Knight, the Heroic-only Tortured Knight, as well as the usual 3 ultras in the mission. Would you say that's still a less efficient method than farming the Iron Tomb?
Ok, I tried it out... Farmed the Iron tomb mission as you said. Drop a 3 of coin, killed one and did it over and over again... I did it with 100 x 3 of coin s, in the end after using 100 of them I ended up with 8 Exotic engrams... that took me around 90 minutes. Looks like you had a good RNG, I'm not complaining to be honest. Thanks for the advise !
in the iron tomb mission if i get an exotic engram from the first dude i kill can i get one from the second as well? also do i have to restart mission if i get an engram or can i jusy die and restart check point?
Thanks, I used 20 of these things yesterday while running strikes... got 1 exotic special engram (along with 2 skelly keys & candlelight)
TheOutBack Pandas same i was trying to get the. void scion flayers cloak and ended up get candlelight
Do you think we should be able to put the Trials/Raid/Days of Iron ornaments on exotic armor? That these exotics would take on the models of the ornamented legendaries?
thank god there are people out there like you that go through all this so we don't have to!! lol thanks patrick
Thanks for the tip. sometimes when I change the engram it gives me an item that is lower than my light. Are there any reason for that to happen?
I conducted an experiment prior to the release of the Rise of Iron DLC - the original intent was to see how many exotic engrams I could save up prior to the release (I ended up with 194 in a 2.5 month period). I started on or near July 4th through the release of Rise of Iron. The numbers in my data closely match the drop rate of 1 in 7 coins you noted in the Tomb mission. My data came up with 1 drop in 6.1 coins - you can look at that also as 1 drop in 6 or 7 "events". I'll email you my data if interest.
According to one TH-camr I watch a lot, the cool down timer isn't really a cool down timer. Instead when you pop 3oC you have a 1/7 chance of getting an exotic. However if you wait a few minutes after popping one that chance will increase to 1/5. This is just his theory, so I don't know if he's on to something or if he's completely off base.
To do the ultra knight properly you need to switch characters then run it! The ToC cooldown is only on that particular character, not the account. So you have the full chance to drop if you switch to all 3 characters
OK so do you pop a coin kill a boss, pop another coin kill a boss and then jump to your death, or do you jsut pop a coin once per life?
definitely worth trying. I've been trying to get shadestep helmet and the superpower golden gun helmet for a long time now. definitely worth trying.
Thank you! I got an exotic Helmet engram! Only using 7 strange coins!!
Nice vide dude keep it up!!!!!
what about the vex mission when you need to kill three giant minitors? i forgot the mission name
So does Draksis have a reduced chance of dropping them? Because Draksis can be farmed a lot quicker than these bosses if you are really efficient.
awesome!! thank you I just tried this 😀
thanks for telling me the "stackable" effect is really stackable I've been using 2 or 3 every crucible match
The black garden mission is great for this. I got about 11 exotics in 1 hour just killing the first 2 sol progeny then killing myself and repeating it.
The Iron Tomb farm is the exact same (killing 2 Ultras, then dying) except you get an axe to kill the ultras, therefore (usually) making it faster.
you can kill all 4 ultras in black garden and hit orbit right after your 3rd ultra kill..YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FLY IN AGAIN THE FINAL 3 ULTRAS ENCOUNTER...
Bobman564 nah it takes longer on the iron tomb. The sol progeny are so low light level that it usually takes 3 rocket launchers to kill
You can kill all three Ultras, then jump over the edge of the bridge when self destruct starts. You'll respawn back at the beginning of the boss encounter
JASON GROVE so what
They actually said in an interview, I think just before rise of iron dropped, that there is, in fact, no cool down, at all, on three of coins.
Patrick could you make a video on how farm strange coins in year 3? Great video!
HI PATRICK!can i request a video? can you do a comparison between the waltz from future war cult pulse rifle and the clever dragon? would really like to know the difference!
clever dragon is better, rolls better perks.
Terry GM Agreed
clever dragon wins. and for the future, I dont really do comparison videos like that. ill examine everything, but weapon vs weapon doesnt really make for interesting content in the longrun.
Patrick Casey I'd watched weapon vs content
Patrick Casey i would also watch that
Great info, thanks!
I actually got a two for one 3oC last week, it was awesome. From a crucible match at that
Does having a fireteam while running Iron Tomb make a difference? Wouldn't it go way faster?
try the black garden mission you can check point at the 3 ultras. ive used this since 3oc were brought to destiny
I've used the Black Garden mission on normal mode. Pop a 3ofC before each ultra vex boss and then go right to orbit as soon as you kill the last vex boss. I've averaged 1 3xotic per 3-4 boss kills, that is each boss not 3-4 mission runs. Going back to orbit after killing the last boss saves your check point also. Easy exotic farming.
think you can make a video on the heavy weapon meta? proximity rockets seem a little underwhelming and machine guns are feeling really nice (especially nemesis star)
Jalbie D i think its fine now compared to how it used to be rockets with proximity were a must and with machine guns the reason why they're nice is because of the rockets but i feel like the grenades and horseshoes are at a good place right now =)
I thought there was some kind cool down per boss? Like 15 minutes before a ToC would work again on that boss?
Could you please make a video about sniper ballistics please? Most notably on the but not forgotten and winged word.
To add a few more informations for this.
I've experienced double exotic drops from 1 single 3oC as well, both for killing an Ultra/Boss and for completing a PvP match. Even other players in my and the enemy team managed to get double drops. It is rare, but it can happen.
In general I would say the best methods to farm Light level would be PvP content. Regular crucible has a high chance to drop weapons on a regular basis all the way up to 400 light, even class items drop there. Trials of Osiris is great to farm armor. It's not as frequent as the weapon drops from the regular crucible, but you can still farm armor drops that go all the way to 400 light. Also, Trials of Osiris matches can be rather short compared to most other game modes. with a good team or a particular bad team you can finish off matches pretty quickly compared once again to the regular crucible content.
This is just anectodal, but from personal experience it seems like exotic drops are more frequent in Trials, getting drops every third and fourth match feels like a pretty high drop rate. But then again. Its RNG. would love to hear from others if they experienced higher drop rates as well in Trials or if it is just me and my friends that think of that.
I'm not sure if there is a higher 3oC drop rate from Trials, that may be anecdotal, but it certainly feels faster due to match length. I've found you can load into the Elimination playlist with similar results.
Mr Casey, you neglected to mention a crucial bit of data. A crucible bit of data. Crucible while it may not be the most prlific of engram hunting spots does also have a chance of dropping up to LL 400 gear. If one's goal is to raise LL past the rep package limit of 390, crucible becomes the best spot outside of heroic raiding.
do the engrams you buy from zur drop year 2-3 exotics?
i have done this many times before this video and its consistant. i have also notice on my first go through my first exotic would drop in less then 5 3oc. it migt be worth swapping characters on your first and 2nd atemp, its time consuming but if it nets more then its worth it. i think there is a typ of cooldown just not sure how long.
I think this got either fixed, or an internal cooldown was added to the drop....
Patrol is really effective too, cosmosrome works best. The Taken Patrol beacons,Troll Patrol VIP Archon boss in the Divide, and the random Taken events all work well if you want to farm rep and exotics simultaneously. I do agree Patrol is only second most effective to Iron Tomb
I've gotten 4 in 10 minutes before doing this. Just make sure to kill around 30+ adds inbetween Ultra kills to unnerf the drop chance which is easy to do on patrol.
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I'm surprised you don't mention the black garden mission. I think it's the final mission of vanilla. Each of the minotaurs is eligible for 3oC. You can kill all three then quickly jump to orbit and then re-enter the mission and it will start you at the bosses. I even rotate between characters to get around any cool down that may or may not exist.
Hi Patrick, did you compare the iron tomb farm to the black garden farm? Would to know decisively if one is better
iron tomb, as stated in the video, is the best.
There must honestly be a difference between PS4 drop rates versus Xbox one. Please test the difference between consoles. My farming experience hasn't proved very fruitful
Jeshua P that's bs
That may be your belief. I can admit it is better than farming strikes. But I have trouble getting more than four or five exotics per hour on iron tomb and he is bringing on more than twice that on average. I have done10 runs=x2 bosses so 20 coins without getting an exotic to drop. You're experience may differ so take your be and shove it.
awesome video I will have to try this before it's patched.
I've been farming the three ultras on the Black Garden mission....not bad.
I don't get 3oC sometimes... usually it feels like the 1 exotic every 7 coins but I have done 18 strikes in a row and not get a single exotic. How is that possible? No skeleton keys either. The moment I swap characters, I get an exotic on the 2nd strike. It felt like I ran into a bug...
Has this been patched? Because I tried it today and I normally get like an engram roughly every 10 3oC but it's now more like an engrams every 20 3oC?
How does the Iron Tomb compare to grinding the first Minotaur statue at the end of The Black Garden?
The Savage Casual I farm all 3. just exit after you kill the 3rd and restart the checkpoint
My recent farm only gave me 3 exotics out of 33 3oC(1st after 9, 2nd after 15 & 3rd after 9). Anyone have any better success?
Pro tip: you can spam the big axe attack and when your out hit the boss with a normal hit it'll recharge then rise and repeat
it actually works and all the other vids ar trash this one's the best I've seen and works
My favourite is eye of a gatelord, make sure all 3 chars have the checkpoint. Keep killing until you get a drop, then switch to your other characters and repeat indefinitely.
your voice is very soothing
what about black garden? i'm getting like 1 in 7 there as well.
I hate that they say to use them one at a time, but can still accidentally activate another one. I once thought I didn't have on eon when a boss was about to die, then remembered that I did and wasted one. Either let stacking actually work or make them unusable until the previous buff is deactivated.
Try Challenge of the Elders. Those three bosses are super easy to kill now, especially if you have a gjallarhorn or sleeper. You can complete it under 5 minutes. But this is probably a better route if you're soloing it.
I dont know if this is just plain coincidence but every time i get an exotic engram fast its after i used 1 3oC then killed myself or got nothin and used 2 3oC after that run.
Nevertheless always
Iron Tomb has been dropping 1 out of 10 for us, has held true for over 350+ ToC used by our crew. Doesn't seem to be a cool down.
what about the 3 gate lords on blackheart mission? might be a tad longer than iron tomb but still easy
KeeperPlus I prefer that one haha
I feel like the games more fun actually getting your hopes up for getting an exotic to drop
Why did you not include The back garden mission, you can do this for all three boss's and on third boss kill go to orbit and do it again. i find i get alot of engrams there normally about 3 exotocs per 20 coins i usally stop at 20 if i dont get the 3rd engram
I need to try this method because I saw it on another video from another youtuber I follow
So i tried this tonight, first went to the black garden mission and used 12 3oc and got one exotic then went to the iron tomb mission and got 8 exotics from 30 3oc and its so easy and quick to farm, shame I ran out of 3oc.
How does your menu load up sooo fast? I swear it takes like 4-6 seconds for mine too and by the time I pop a 3oC I'm dead
alternate characters, play different strikes, play a crucible match occasionally....that's how I "farm" exotics. switch characters after each exotic engram, change missions/game type, play until I get an exotic engram and repeat.
in the iron tomb when it first came out i got an exotic every 2nd 3oc but they patched it a little now im only getting it 1 out of every 5
U should try the last three bosses of the OG black garden mission
the black garden is also a good level for exotic engrams.