On the new player experience topic. I tend to agree with Josh Strife Hayes-youtuber on hardcore pvp games are self cannibalizing. Veteran players will gatekeep new players with their time investment and new players wont stick around to be toyed with because the uphill battle is insurmountable due to little time to actually play. There's a reason why hardcore games for the most part died when world of warcraft released.
I have a hard time conceding to give wizards and magic classes in general anything now lol. Wizard starting with a given spell memory would end up making the class astronomically better than it is now. Our squad went from dying non stop the last 4 days with me on longsword and expensive fighter set ups to rolling every single encounter we fought when I hopped on wizard... 500 hours using longsword but yet I'm more effective and impactful in my garage sale geared 32 hour wizard that I haven't touched since playtest 3 simply because of how much more the class has access to even with trash gear...lol. Hoping to see them make more of subpar playstyles across the classes a bit more viable. Also and more importantly, good ass episode!
I need you guys to do like 3 of these a week. I don't do twitch so I don't get any longform Dark and darker content and I LOVE listening to you guys spitball ideas. I really hope the devs are listening because you guys have some really cool ideas.
Agree completely HR makes no sense considering the level of sweat already in normal lobbies…which then also contributes to normals ruining experience since lots of people get rolled before getting geared up
Glad to hear Anthony express the same thoughts I've been having about the skill tree and balancing. We can balance everything we want right now but it's all going to go to s*** once they release the skill trees essentially making any balance work done previously obsolete aside from data collection.
Something that is seriously lacking in the wizard are defensive means beyond simply trying to run with haste and invis, I hope the skill tree has some line with specialization in spell shields or something like that to improve diversity in play styles, or enchanter specialization that increases the effect of potions and has a better ignite.
i wouldnt be opposed to an invis scanning ability. i wana see warlocks with some type of healing ability for their teammates with sacrificing their own health and maybe a curse that can remove the buffs off one person. i think that would be really cool.
As soon as donikus said a vampire mansion it made me think of Unrest from EverQuest. Anyone who played that game remembers that zone, it was incredible and I would love to see a map like that in dark and darker.
if you think getting lapped by a 16 year old is bad, one of sisters is wheelchair bound but is in the special Olympics. she is like a dolphin in the water and laps everyone. then gets out of the water and needs help getting into her wheelchair. its amazing.
"i do think the pharmacy meta has been kinda killed" -jay meanwhile i still see people with half inventory full of meds. (just like before) i dont think it has changed at all it just takes more time to get actually healed. i love the idea to limit the amount you can bring into raid. but getting out of raid should still be able to bring out more in the inventory. i also think that it should not go instantly from inventory to belt when you used all your meds on the belt. maybe it should be an interaction like when putting on gear.
You guys forgot to mention that the little trap the ranger can make float in the middle of the door way also prevents fireballs from going into the room.
I think rogue stealth should be complete invisibility, but I think they should keep the bumped-out-of-stealth "bug" as a feature. How is it possible for a rogue to "hide" after my character physically bumps into them, they should be forced out of hiding on contact. It just makes sense and would also help balance the skill. Rogues can cry in the discord all they want, but being bumped out of stealth is fine and even healthy for the game IMO. Wizard invisibility on the other hand should be true invisible, so you can't knock them out of that unless you actually hit them and make them lose concentration, a slight bump shouldn't do anything to a wizard IMO.
1 trade only is interesting but would wear me down fast 2 I have actually not done as many giveaways lately while I save for an artifact 3 I am so sad I missed out cause there was so much stuff I would want to explain 4 I didn't "sell" it but I have created raffles throughout the collectors guild which allow regular people to win items as instead of 1 buyer its many people gambling 5 il save the gold famer stuff for later
7 named castor item Idea i had was Eclipse | staff | each tick of damage blacks out their their vision similar to the dying to the zone + it clips thought the walls so it cant bonk
How bout a named magic item that leaves a Creep trail behind you (ice, fire, etc) or maybe an orb that lets you cast a unique spell? Personally I don’t think any spells should be locked behind item gates but as y’all were saying a progress tree where you unlock subclasses would be a great way to introduce variety
It's sad but I mentioned it in the group sessions. Leaderboard made HR a bad time for a lot of people... Jay has witnessed this first hand. Hoping there's some small changes soon as I never touch HR at the moment.
I think they should do it more like a very brief temporary event. Like maybe every Saturday the leaderboard opens for like maybe 4-8 hours, or maybe 12 hours... no more than 24 hours. This way people are only hardcore sweating for a day max, but they can still compete for their spot on the board. Because being honest, a 2 week leaderboard isn't even a skill check, it's a sanity check. Whoever can play decently for 18 hours a day without going crazy will get a top spot. It's honestly just unhealthy for people to be playing like that, especially for 2 weeks straight. It reminds me of the news stories you would hear about Korean students dropping dead in an internet cafe because they were playing StarCraft for like 3 days straight. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I just fear leaderboards in their current form are directly causing streamers and leaderboard grinders to destroy their health, mentally and physically, and I fear for some people who just push themselves too far. At least Jay seems to be doing alright, he's a trooper lol. But even then when I catch him 18 hours into a stream and I'm just thinking "go to sleep bro, please!!" Lmao.
I think both AH and Trade chat is viable, that's exactly how WoW still is after all these years, despite the presence of an AH there is constant trade chat spam trying to sell items and offer services as well. At least coming from classic / HC servers, maybe retail or WotLK is different.
I think IM knows that it's about time they add in some progression paths and systems to start hooking players in on a deeper level. I hope we see a big content patch (new map/quests/talent trees maybe?) by the end of the year.
Yep, IM prob preparing us for that talent tree to be unlocked and some new maps/quests to make the gameplay more dynamic. It's 100% for sure coming soon, they just finalizing the base classes balance atm.
Spellbook idea: all your spells get splash dmg. So you hit someone with icebolt it actually shatters and damages enemies in an area (like fireball) for a bit of dmg
I don't get why they don't like a pve beginner mode so much. Just don't let players bring loot from those lobbies into normals or only drop grey items so they have little to no effect on normal games. There needs to be a place for new players to practice dodging pve mobs or practice attacks/spellcasting
While I do appreciate these podcasts and all the work you've done for us, I would like you guys keep the length of the videos about an hour. I would love to watch the whole video in one go.
I saw a legendary with only 2 rolls, both Garbage. I didnt even know it was possible for things to have TWO less rolls than theyu should, i thought -1 roll was the max... It was a straw hat someone was selling for 100g it was so bad lmao. I literally bought it just because it was my first legendary ever, despite the fact i was on my fighter so i couldn't even use it lol. I kept it in my stash for good luck.
I can think of a couple of better options for nerfs to Haste and Invis. And "THE Wizard guy" doesn't remember that Wizard has 4 charges of Haste? 👌 The current changes to Wizard are dogshit, yet again, and are a failed attempt to fix a stupid meta they created by ensuring 1293959599 buffs can be stacked on top of each other. They only hurt the solo Wizard.
personally i think everyone should play what he likes^^ maybe there are 15 rogues cos its a pretty fun class for many people :) and if there are more naked rogues in a lobby noone of them will have a lot to loot. Maybe a lot of people play solo and rogue ís a good solo class.^^It could be that some other classes will be as viable as Rogue solo in the future(monk with mobility, druide with rat form) And tbh^^ when i try to queue with 2 other people i cant find someone because noone wants to play with a rogue when theres 1 op combo that everyone wants to roll with. Îf ironmace keeps getting forward with updates and add new features the classes will spread more evenly i think.^^ PS: keep it up xD this potcast is so entertaining and gives ideas which is awesome!!
Hey I just wanted to share my opinion on your guys podcast and maybe you might agree on some things to make it better. Just to preface I listen to all types of esports and gaming podcast have been for many many years. I also play tf out of dark and darker and love it. That’s how I stumbled across this. I’ve been watching this a lot more since EA has been released and at first it was great. But I realized a very repetitive trend. You guys invite a guy on and just ask him relatively the same exact questions and go over the same exact topics as the episodes before. In my opinion it makes it very boring bcus I’m just getting the same exact takes and answers from everyone. Im hearing the exact same thing every episode except from the guest. There was a giant patch in my opinion and y’all just quickly pushed through it I feel like most of the time you should be going into it a lot deeper since it’s the biggest topic for the week. Lastly I’m not trying to be mean I’m not really sure what relevance Donny provides to the conversation. All I can tell is he is somas friend that plays some darker and occasionally. At the end of the day it’s y’all’s podcast you guys obviously are going to run it how you all fell best but that’s just my thoughts as a watcher
Game desperately needs more content not getting bored but i will admit gettin kinda tired of killing skely and mummies the pvp will never get boring to me
On the new player experience topic. I tend to agree with Josh Strife Hayes-youtuber on hardcore pvp games are self cannibalizing. Veteran players will gatekeep new players with their time investment and new players wont stick around to be toyed with because the uphill battle is insurmountable due to little time to actually play. There's a reason why hardcore games for the most part died when world of warcraft released.
I have a hard time conceding to give wizards and magic classes in general anything now lol. Wizard starting with a given spell memory would end up making the class astronomically better than it is now. Our squad went from dying non stop the last 4 days with me on longsword and expensive fighter set ups to rolling every single encounter we fought when I hopped on wizard... 500 hours using longsword but yet I'm more effective and impactful in my garage sale geared 32 hour wizard that I haven't touched since playtest 3 simply because of how much more the class has access to even with trash gear...lol. Hoping to see them make more of subpar playstyles across the classes a bit more viable.
Also and more importantly, good ass episode!
I need you guys to do like 3 of these a week. I don't do twitch so I don't get any longform Dark and darker content and I LOVE listening to you guys spitball ideas. I really hope the devs are listening because you guys have some really cool ideas.
There’s a few other pods you can check out!
Thanks man, glad you like the podcast! Once a week is probably the sweet spot though... haha
1:17:47 I love that they implemented that exact thing you mentioned 😂 good stuff
Agree completely HR makes no sense considering the level of sweat already in normal lobbies…which then also contributes to normals ruining experience since lots of people get rolled before getting geared up
Glad to hear Anthony express the same thoughts I've been having about the skill tree and balancing.
We can balance everything we want right now but it's all going to go to s*** once they release the skill trees essentially making any balance work done previously obsolete aside from data collection.
Something that is seriously lacking in the wizard are defensive means beyond simply trying to run with haste and invis, I hope the skill tree has some line with specialization in spell shields or something like that to improve diversity in play styles, or enchanter specialization that increases the effect of potions and has a better ignite.
Im mad excited for the Lord Collector episode, I'm sure he'll have some interesting and unique takes on the game
I want warlock to have a spell to cast darkness or turn off all torches in a room ... and maybe a perk to see through darkness
pretty dope if it revealed stealth as well.
i wouldnt be opposed to an invis scanning ability.
i wana see warlocks with some type of healing ability for their teammates with sacrificing their own health and maybe a curse that can remove the buffs off one person.
i think that would be really cool.
Yep. Both mechanics with dark and debuffing thing would be cool. Maybe some kind of shield for health too? Like clerics but it costs you health .
These replies were on point.
Warlock should get a soul siphon ability. Channel on a dead player body to get a +3 all stats buff for 5 minutes or something
As soon as donikus said a vampire mansion it made me think of Unrest from EverQuest. Anyone who played that game remembers that zone, it was incredible and I would love to see a map like that in dark and darker.
if you think getting lapped by a 16 year old is bad, one of sisters is wheelchair bound but is in the special Olympics. she is like a dolphin in the water and laps everyone. then gets out of the water and needs help getting into her wheelchair. its amazing.
"i do think the pharmacy meta has been kinda killed" -jay
meanwhile i still see people with half inventory full of meds. (just like before) i dont think it has changed at all it just takes more time to get actually healed.
i love the idea to limit the amount you can bring into raid. but getting out of raid should still be able to bring out more in the inventory.
i also think that it should not go instantly from inventory to belt when you used all your meds on the belt. maybe it should be an interaction like when putting on gear.
You guys forgot to mention that the little trap the ranger can make float in the middle of the door way also prevents fireballs from going into the room.
I think rogue stealth should be complete invisibility, but I think they should keep the bumped-out-of-stealth "bug" as a feature.
How is it possible for a rogue to "hide" after my character physically bumps into them, they should be forced out of hiding on contact. It just makes sense and would also help balance the skill. Rogues can cry in the discord all they want, but being bumped out of stealth is fine and even healthy for the game IMO.
Wizard invisibility on the other hand should be true invisible, so you can't knock them out of that unless you actually hit them and make them lose concentration, a slight bump shouldn't do anything to a wizard IMO.
1 trade only is interesting but would wear me down fast
2 I have actually not done as many giveaways lately while I save for an artifact
3 I am so sad I missed out cause there was so much stuff I would want to explain
4 I didn't "sell" it but I have created raffles throughout the collectors guild which allow regular people to win items as instead of 1 buyer its many people gambling
5 il save the gold famer stuff for later
6 found in raid ruined tarkovsky economy you cant flip items anymore, game has lost its enjoyment from me from that point on
7 named castor item Idea i had was Eclipse | staff | each tick of damage blacks out their their vision similar to the dying to the zone + it clips thought the walls so it cant bonk
8 named lantern you that floats around and gives you an emote which let's your move it around
9 med slots can be fine but if the number of slots are reduced could be rough for new players
10 a viewer recommended pot can only go onto your belt (not inv) and stash
How bout a named magic item that leaves a Creep trail behind you (ice, fire, etc) or maybe an orb that lets you cast a unique spell?
Personally I don’t think any spells should be locked behind item gates but as y’all were saying a progress tree where you unlock subclasses would be a great way to introduce variety
It's sad but I mentioned it in the group sessions. Leaderboard made HR a bad time for a lot of people... Jay has witnessed this first hand. Hoping there's some small changes soon as I never touch HR at the moment.
I think they should do it more like a very brief temporary event. Like maybe every Saturday the leaderboard opens for like maybe 4-8 hours, or maybe 12 hours... no more than 24 hours. This way people are only hardcore sweating for a day max, but they can still compete for their spot on the board. Because being honest, a 2 week leaderboard isn't even a skill check, it's a sanity check. Whoever can play decently for 18 hours a day without going crazy will get a top spot. It's honestly just unhealthy for people to be playing like that, especially for 2 weeks straight. It reminds me of the news stories you would hear about Korean students dropping dead in an internet cafe because they were playing StarCraft for like 3 days straight. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I just fear leaderboards in their current form are directly causing streamers and leaderboard grinders to destroy their health, mentally and physically, and I fear for some people who just push themselves too far. At least Jay seems to be doing alright, he's a trooper lol. But even then when I catch him 18 hours into a stream and I'm just thinking "go to sleep bro, please!!" Lmao.
@@DivineBanana yea you are spot on when you say. Sanity check. It's not something I have the mentality for.
Its a dark dark time for wizard players everywhere. Thanks Jay 😂
Been waiting 😅
The spell regen on the spellbook sounds good in the talent tree
I think both AH and Trade chat is viable, that's exactly how WoW still is after all these years, despite the presence of an AH there is constant trade chat spam trying to sell items and offer services as well. At least coming from classic / HC servers, maybe retail or WotLK is different.
Do you guys think the gameplay loop is getting slightly stale atm? Feels like we need a bit more
I think IM knows that it's about time they add in some progression paths and systems to start hooking players in on a deeper level. I hope we see a big content patch (new map/quests/talent trees maybe?) by the end of the year.
Yep, IM prob preparing us for that talent tree to be unlocked and some new maps/quests to make the gameplay more dynamic. It's 100% for sure coming soon, they just finalizing the base classes balance atm.
I believe we might be getting a big update after this leaderboard ends.
Spellbook idea: all your spells get splash dmg. So you hit someone with icebolt it actually shatters and damages enemies in an area (like fireball) for a bit of dmg
invis is pretty much useless, but haste is still alright
Instead of high roller you should have red Portals. In solos
pretty sure these extreme tweaks to classes IS the talent system. Ok what if we put the invis to 3s as base but with talent it is 6s for example.
I don't get why they don't like a pve beginner mode so much. Just don't let players bring loot from those lobbies into normals or only drop grey items so they have little to no effect on normal games. There needs to be a place for new players to practice dodging pve mobs or practice attacks/spellcasting
While I do appreciate these podcasts and all the work you've done for us, I would like you guys keep the length of the videos about an hour. I would love to watch the whole video in one go.
I saw a legendary with only 2 rolls, both Garbage. I didnt even know it was possible for things to have TWO less rolls than theyu should, i thought -1 roll was the max...
It was a straw hat someone was selling for 100g it was so bad lmao. I literally bought it just because it was my first legendary ever, despite the fact i was on my fighter so i couldn't even use it lol. I kept it in my stash for good luck.
Saw a purp with 1 roll
I can think of a couple of better options for nerfs to Haste and Invis. And "THE Wizard guy" doesn't remember that Wizard has 4 charges of Haste? 👌
The current changes to Wizard are dogshit, yet again, and are a failed attempt to fix a stupid meta they created by ensuring 1293959599 buffs can be stacked on top of each other. They only hurt the solo Wizard.
Its all about that Blue Bell Ice Cream
aw my achilles strike :(
Reroll gear topic???
personally i think everyone should play what he likes^^ maybe there are 15 rogues cos its a pretty fun class for many people :) and if there are more naked rogues in a lobby noone of them will have a lot to loot. Maybe a lot of people play solo and rogue ís a good solo class.^^It could be that some other classes will be as viable as Rogue solo in the future(monk with mobility, druide with rat form) And tbh^^ when i try to queue with 2 other people i cant find someone because noone wants to play with a rogue when theres 1 op combo that everyone wants to roll with. Îf ironmace keeps getting forward with updates and add new features the classes will spread more evenly i think.^^ PS: keep it up xD this potcast is so entertaining and gives ideas which is awesome!!
SHOUT OUT TO SLIM CHICKENS
Who's trying to join my DaD 3-man moonfire spam boomkin squad?
These MOFO discussing potion belt before arrow quiver
Hey I just wanted to share my opinion on your guys podcast and maybe you might agree on some things to make it better. Just to preface I listen to all types of esports and gaming podcast have been for many many years. I also play tf out of dark and darker and love it. That’s how I stumbled across this. I’ve been watching this a lot more since EA has been released and at first it was great. But I realized a very repetitive trend. You guys invite a guy on and just ask him relatively the same exact questions and go over the same exact topics as the episodes before. In my opinion it makes it very boring bcus I’m just getting the same exact takes and answers from everyone. Im hearing the exact same thing every episode except from the guest. There was a giant patch in my opinion and y’all just quickly pushed through it I feel like most of the time you should be going into it a lot deeper since it’s the biggest topic for the week. Lastly I’m not trying to be mean I’m not really sure what relevance Donny provides to the conversation. All I can tell is he is somas friend that plays some darker and occasionally. At the end of the day it’s y’all’s podcast you guys obviously are going to run it how you all fell best but that’s just my thoughts as a watcher
Game desperately needs more content not getting bored but i will admit gettin kinda tired of killing skely and mummies the pvp will never get boring to me
Tiktok ruined a generation
@@JELKEK ?
@@creepyoutdoors4451 Your attention span is fried from scrolling them shorts (product of Tiktok)
Think Dony could of atleast made his dirty ass floor bed for podcast
Who actually makes their bed, are you a middle aged stay at home mom or something?
bard is most useless class no w