Is a Double Blade (Kayak Style) Paddle Good in a Canoe? First Impressions on a 200km Solo Trip
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- Trying out the Aquabound Sting Ray double blade paddle on a 200km solo trip, hoping it would reduce my wrist pain, and sharing my first impressions of the DB.
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I'm an ocean kayaker. If you use the kayak paddle, try slightly rotating your torso for each stroke using your back muscles and relying less on your arm strength. I've never used one with a canoe before, but I'm sure this technique would work for you putting more of the work on your larger muscles. Happy paddling!
Thanks Brian!
I'm a double-blader, welcome to the dark-side! Glad you found it worthwhile and were willing to give it a go. Single blade paddles certainly look cooler... being able to paddle all day for days in a row is pretty awesome too though! I found when I 'unfeathered' (i.e. 0 degrees tilt) I had far less wrist pain than with it feathered at 30 degrees.
Yes, your technique is a bit off, but as someone else suggested... look up correct technique on YT. You will most likely get wet with the correct technique though. Your strength should come from your core muscles, not your arm or shoulder muscles... which means you have to turn your torso during the stroke, which means your top paddle will probably come over the boat. You'll see in my videos that my top blade comes right over my boat... I put my cooking pot between my feet to catch most of the drips 😉, though, yes, a longer paddle will help with that. My paddle is only 230cm long, but my canoe is also quite a bit narrower than yours. Hope to see you using the new toy more 👍
A small tab of tape at the inside bottom edge of the blade can help keep some of the drips out, kinda like a drip line for a hammock. Dan with headwaters has some great instructional videos on form for a DB if you were looking for any. The important thing is ya are able to keep at it and get out not so much the tools you use to do so. Take care, stay safe and be well.
No experience whatsoever with a double blade, but was thinking a zip tie with a little extra tail left on it would direct and cut off the water too. Plus you could adjust (slide) it up and down to find your best spot. Just spitballing as I'm to old and broken for these trips anymore.
Wow, what an eye opener this was. I'm a traditionalist who always scoffed at the double blade thinking it would be tough on the forearms and triceps. I too suffer the wrist pain after several days of j-stroking. . . Thanks Jon for opening my eyes on this increasingly important issue as we age. To me, this is an epiphany, enabling me to overcome my bias.
Taken from Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and I think applicable: "These exotic weapons are rare, and most often associated with Jedi attracted to the dark side of the Force, for whom reckless aggression is sometimes considered an asset. The double-bladed lightsaber is capable of inflicting more damage - but is also less precise - than the single-bladed variant."
SOLO so awesome :)
This is perfect.
Great video ! As a kayaker who just got a canoe i absolutely used my kayak paddle 🤣 I’m very impressed with the level of skill it takes using a single paddle ! Super excited about learning !
My first season of using a double blade and I am sold on it as well. I now laugh at the wind :)
I switched 2 years ago on my solo canoe and get a lot of 'double takes' and curious people asking questions. I was switching back and forth regularly until last summer I got stuck in the middle of a lake in a loaded canoe when the wind picked up very strong. I was getting pushed back towards a rock wall with my single blade. If it wasn't for that double blade to help me power through; I would have been swimming. I'm completely sold on it when soloing. As you pointed out there it's great for open water, not great for smaller waterways. It has its uses but it's much more efficient and for me, I find it easier on my shoulder. I injured my rotater cuff on a previous canoe trip and found using a double blade doesn't aggravate it as much. I only bought a 240 cm blade and use it at 0 degrees. I find it long enough but don't much care for tilting it. I have played around with it but agree with Amy, my wrists get sore when it's tilted. I leave mine at 0 degrees.
I've been locally soloing using a double blade for 90% of the time. I've got a 17.5" Old Town, 95 lb tank of a canoe, and I pile in gear, two dogs, and myself and easily get up to speed and cruise with minimal effort compared to paddling. I'm headed to the BWCA for my first trip up there in 3 weeks. I have a nice new NorthStar B16 to break in with my dog. Spending 12 nights out there. Thank you for all your videos. I've learned a lot and feel confident in my upcoming trip. You've helped a lot. Thanks!
Thank you and hope you have a great trip in BWCA!
Great video. As every kayaker will agree, the biggest advantage is paddling against the wind or upstream - and enabling more strokes per minute without any delay in forward thrust. When paddling DOWNSTREAM on larger rivers you can be stopped by upstream winds! The proof is when smaller people with a double blade can easily match the speed of a larger, stronger paddler with a single blade.
Your videos are a real treat on a wintery day when outings on the ocean or big Island lakes aren't an option.
I often use an 11 ft. double bladed paddle underhand for the easiest and most comfortable power strokes, especially in a headwind. It's like pulling yourself across the water with no stress on the wrists or shoulders. Every action produces forward movement, unlike j-stroking. Found this out accidentally after making one from a thin pole and two pieces of light plywood from the beach. Because of a frozen shoulder I find the pulling action uses the bicep more efficiently without the twisting of wrists or shoulders and the power of a long paddle creates much more distance per stroke and almost no zigzagging of the canoe. Therefore, a fewer number of strokes for the same distance travelled with a single blade. A real treat for long distances on open water. It may sound strange and even look a bit odd but finding this technique has made ocean trips a real treat compared to j-stroking all day. I have carved myself a 10 footer from red cedar which works fine due to its lightness but anything shorter requires that lifting turning action that stresses the body. I also scoop out the blade area like a spoon and I can really feel it grabbing the water. Paddling at night in the phosphorescence of a warm ocean shows the minimal escape of water off the edge of a scooped out blade but the feeling itself is undeniable. Apologies to the die hard j-stroke crowd but I am a 'function beats form' canoeist.
Hahah I'm with you in the "function" club. Very interesting. I have much to learn about this topic but like it a lot so far. Thanks a lot Brian!
I am forever thankful to Brad Jennings for recommending I get a 260cm double blade last year. I got shoulder issues and always find myself alone battling the wind in my Beach Marine canoe. The double blade this year has saved me countless times. And the speed is nice. I wear splash pants as I do get wet a bit, and like to drain the canoe after a couple of hours or so. Now I just have to work on my back muscles specifically the rhomboids over the winter so I can get stronger as that is the area that is currently bothering me from using the double blade and limiting how much I can use it. Cheers and glad you found something that allows you to continue doing what you love. Bonus: I've added a trolling motor to my arsenal on some of my trips with less portaging so I can really get that much further and battle the really nasty winds.
I have similar impressions about the double blade. I know you acknowledged being a beginner but if you look up some videos on kayak paddling technique you'll see even more benefits. In a nutshell, your core should do most of the work, not the arms. Keep us posted on your progress and thanks for the great content! 👍
welcome to the world of double blade... In all reality Jon I am sure you now see that teher is a place and time for each. I carry both a single and a double blade... Thanks for sharing... Dennis
I bought a 250 this summer and used it while fishing on a large lake in my 17 foot canoe with my 11 year old. We were able to make good time. With him helping with a paddle and me with the kayak paddle we made better time than 2 adults could do. Especially helpful when the breeze came up. I am only 5' 8" and had water dripping all over in the boat, not a deal breaker though. Also used it when I took my wife for a back country trip for the first time. It was great then too!
I started using a kayak paddle for soloing in my Swift Kipawa a couple of years ago and was delighted with reduced back strain.
Increased efficiency is a bonus. I now use a prospector (switched to carbon fibre for more reduced back strain.....the years add up)
and the double blade continues to be a help. I switch between that and a single blade paddle to switch things up and break the routine.
I have been using the double blade for a while when canoe tripping , specially in windy lakes or when trolling , it's very efficient. It's not new for me as I am a kayaker fishing from a sot kayak for the last 15 years . Great to see you using it to practice your favorite activity without the pain .
My wife and I canoe Superior often I always take the double blade as that extra power it gives allows me to keep paddling when she rests. It can also get you to a sheltered bay faster when the lake kicks up. I agree bring both!
To each their own stroke :) I'm kind of die hard on single blade but glad you found a system that works for you and having the versatility of both makes a lot of sense.
not sure if anyone mentioned this as i know the vid is a little old but i have a trick to deal with the dripping issue you are having. all you need to do is get one of those foam pool noodles and cat a shot (just an inch or two) length. then all you do is slide it onto the shaft of your double paddle one per side. in addition to stopping any water from dripping back along the shaft it also serves as flotation if you happen to drop your paddle into the water. (i also use a pool noodle along each side of my canoe just under the Gunnel. it sort of acts as extra security in case of tipping)
Thanks. I solo all the time and found myself racing the sunset a couple times this summer, wishing I had a double blade. I am sold. Also confirms my desire to get the 260mm I was looking at.Keep the videos coming - you are also responsible for my change to the Draumr.
If you're half as glad as I am after getting one, it'll still be worth it for you. Hope you love the draumr like I do. Thanks Bruce!
As a long-time kayaker, welcome to the double blade club! :) Love my Aqua Bound carbon paddle. Do whatever works for you and makes you happy. Critical to take care of your body. Paddle on!
Hey there Jon, good points made. I'm very old school, no yaks or yak paddles, not my thing, just Ottertail and Beavertails I make myself. But I also agree with what works, if you like it and it's helping your wrists then go with it. Remember to stretch your upper back and shoulders after a day with the double blade. I hear kayakers say they get upper back nerve pinches and cramps after a lot of paddling.
I needed a double bladed paddle in a pinch as I ended up solo on a trip with a tandem pair due to a good for nothin' 4th.
It's almost impossible to find good length ones from "paddling" outfits.. This happened at the height of the 2020 outdoor equipment supply shortages and every outfitter I could think of either didn't carry beyond 210cm or were sold out of longer ones.
Enter Fishing Kayaks!!! There's tons of fishing kayak specific 250-270 paddles if you think to look for them. I got my paddle next day for much cheaper than I was anticipating I'd spend.
I was amazed at how far I had to dig to find this info for myself as it doesn't come up when looking for paddles for canoes.. It saved my trip.. or at least saved my friends in the tandem a lot of time waiting for me.
Man, that's a huge victory...no wrist pain! It could literally add years to your adventures. Make you some drip tabs on the blades with a couple strips of duct tape. It won't completely stop the drips but it greatly helps. It also gives a quick visual cue to the correct orientation of the paddle being right-side up.
You’ll get less water in the boat (even with drip rings) if you don’t have any offset on the blades. You just have to put up with wind on the back of your dry blade in any sort of head wind.
Hi Jon. Great review on the double-bladed paddle. I own a single Swift Prospector 14 canoe. Not sure about similar canoes by other manufacturers but the canoe I have has a fairly significant tumblehome that would make it difficult to paddle with a single-bladed paddle. I also purchased a 250cm paddle. I’ve owned kayaks for some time and so made the transition to double ended long ago. Your comments are spot on. As for the dripping water, try adjusting the rings such that they’re as close to the blade as you can get them without them being submerged as you pull the blade through the water.
I'm not going to shoot down a method that suits your body's needs, since your wrists are bad, but it's funny that so many are agreeing that the efficiency is better with a double blade than a single. I started out my solo canoeing time with a double-blade because it was light years easier to learn, then switched to a single because that seemed like an awesome and necessary skill, and I worked VERY hard over a few years go get reasonably good at it. But, long before reaching that skill level, and as soon as my J-stroke (and Indian stroke too) got just reasonably good, I recognized that the single-blade is actually more efficient, even if top speed for sprinting is a bit slower. The first big reason is that the ratio of paddle-shaft length below your paddle hand to the length that's between your two hands is so much more favorable to reduced muscle effort when using a single-blade from a leverage standpoint. Lots of people think that the kind of leverage that gives you more paddle travel relative to arm movement is better, and that's what you get with a long double-blade, but that's like riding a bike in too high of a gear. Going for the opposite extreme (less paddle-stroke distance per amount of arm movement and faster strokes) is just like using a somewhat lower gear on a bike. Further, the kind of stroke all double-bladers are forced to use when canoeing (because their paddles are so long) is non-efficient because each power stroke is a sweep. Being able to keep the blade right alongside the boat, moving in a straight line and staying close to vertical, as is possible with a single-blade (though too few canoers actually do it this way) transfers your effort into forward motion far better. Sweeping wastes energy pushing water in or out from the boat (and also making the boat waddle like a duck), and failure to keep the paddle mostly vertical in the water wastes energy by first pushing down on the water at the beginning of the stroke, then lifting up later in the stroke, neither of which does as much to move the boat forward as if those wasted motions can be avoided. There's a reason that record-setting distance canoers like Verlen Kruger used single-blade paddles exclusively. They traded slightly less speed for better use of their energy in the long run.
And here's the biggest trick for making a J-stroke faster than what most people find it to be. Perfect the stroke to the point that you don't waste ANY time dragging the paddle as a rudder. Blend your power stroke into a little "flip" toward the end, and without pausing a bit, recover for the next stroke. VERY rarely do I see paddlers who do this, but that's actually what's proper.
Again, I'm not bashing you or anyone for choosing a double-blade, but I did want to point out some common points of misunderstanding of the physics (mostly due to failure to take proper advantage of those aspects when single-blading), and that point about learning a no-delay stroke that allows a rapid cadence when J-stroking. And I have to admit that the splashy noise of double-blading drives me nuts, now that I've learned to paddle just as fast as my double-blading friends, but silently.
You make some good points and your mention of Verlen Kruger brought back some great memories. In the early 1980s I gave a talk on sea kayaking at a symposium that Verlen attended and I was just blown away by the incredible feats he had accomplished in his self designed canoe/kayak. Better yet he was probably one of the nicest and most humble paddlers I've ever met.
Not new Shaw & Tenny ,Oriono, Maine has handcrafted them since the 1890s. 71/2-9ft.My canoe mentor went to school in NYC in the 1920/30s. They had canoe liveries there where canoes could be stored or rented. Folks would take trips around Manhattan using
double canoe paddles usually 9ft length. Roughly 30yr ago my wife and I were paddling on Long Island Sound when a boat came alongside and asked if we were starting another new craze. Nice article
As a lifelong kayaker when you get a longer paddle you'll avoid having to bring the opposing blade over the boat so much and that will help stop the drips. Also as someone else mentioned the drip rings going farther outboard will help. And time...lots of time. Even after 30 plus years Ill still catch myself using poor form when I'm tired then find a ice puddle on my lap from drops.
I am so glad that a person of your canoeing credentials has endorsed the use of a double bladed paddle with canoes. I thought I was blasphemous by using one to paddle my canoe. Great content as always.
Hahah some people will say that but I loved it after one day...definitely worth trying. Thanks ATO!
Thanks my dude! Hope you're stoked for another awesome season!
I just noticed Darth Maul in the background 😂
My paddle is 240 and it's also way too short for my prospector being a wide boat. Gets my feet soaked and Grizz sits in a lot of water at the end of the day. But double blade is super efficient for sure. As much as it sucks to admit it haha Great vid John!
Hahah it's the worst part of the DB so far. But with a right-sized paddle and more experience, hopefully that can be improved. Thanks Careena!
Thank you for the video on this topic! You helped me make my decision of purchasing a 250cm Aqua Bound hybrid kayak paddle. I saw another video on youtube the other day where both bow and stern paddlers in a tandem canoe were using kayak paddles to quickly pass through open water. Their canoe seemed to travel super fast in the video. In the comment section I asked the video publisher why he chose double blading, he gave me the similar reasons you mentioned. Now I really look forward to my future canoe trips and I will take my kids with me using a kayak paddle!
As you’ve already experienced, the double bladed paddle is especially great when you’re solo paddling on bigger lakes. I found the same issue with my wrist when paddling long distances solo with a single blade. Happy paddling!
Since I am a traditional canoeist with a wood strip canoe and paddles that I built myself, I never thought I would say this, BUT....lol... I think I should look into a double blade paddle. YIKES... I actually said it...lol. I like your point about both styles of paddles have their time and place to use. I also like that changing paddles use different muscles which seems to mean less fatigue. Then to top it all off, you increased your speed enough to cut a day off your planned trip. WOW!!! That got my attention! Which for me means more fishing time, or maybe a rest day on a good fishing lake before moving on. The two paddle system seems to be only a WIN WIN situation, if I swallow my pride and go with a non - wood paddle. Keep us informed as you learn and try out more double blade paddles. I would be interested to know the length of paddle that you finally end up with in the future. Thanks for the very informative video Jon! It's great to learn from each other in this Out Doors Community!
To do a proper stroke with a double you have to drip in the boat, it's one of the draw backs.
On solo trips I carry both. I use the single when I'm paddling at a slow & casual pace, or when I'm paddling trickier water that requires manueverability as I find I'm more agile with a large wide canoe blade.
When I require some more speed or force (eg, open water on windy days) or just want to make up lost time, then I'm using the double. I've crossed lakes solo with my double that I'd never thought about touching with just a standard canoe paddle.
I've kayaked white water and I acquired a canoe, I like canoeing with kayak paddles. I plan on adding a radio to my canoe as well
Great video. I don't even own a double blade but have been thinking of exploring this as I have a number of canoe buddies that often use them. I don't see other TH-camrs feathering the blades which is quite essential so I am glad you covered that topic. Regarding paddle length, the main issue is the width of the boat. In a skinny kayak you can get away with a shorter paddle but in a canoe the beam width make a double blade awkward. That's where these solo 'pack boat' canoes shine they are narrow and allow for a more natural kayak paddle. But unfortunately they are small and don't carry as much gear for long trips. Everything is a trade-off. Again, great video, atb!
Thanks Kevin! Always, always a trade-off. Definitely worth a shot man. I like this paddle a lot for the price but on a 29" beam, I wish it was 260 of 270cm
I just got a 280 cm solo canoe paddle from Bending Branches. It’s fantastic for all the reasons you stated. It’s wooden, yours is lighter though, the buoyancy of wood gives the return a compensatory “lift”. My canoe has a “34 beam so I searched for 260 or 280 to no avail. Bending Branches shipped within a week
Sweet!! That's great to know. It's a bit shocking how scarce they are with so many canoeists switching to the double and needing to accommodate wide beams
I canoed for years, and now that I'm in, shall we say, my golden years, I've been really enjoying kayaking. I fish a lot so bought a sit-on-top one, and from the first day I started kayaking the first question that came up was: why haven't we adopted the double blade for the canoe? Obviously, we didn't have the choices we have now decades ago, but if I was still doing long canoe trips, I definitely would carry a double blade and a single one, as you said, for the tighter spots. Thanks for sharing
I usually have both. I find the single blade easier on the body. Two blades is better in wind or for sprint speed/quick accelleration. I use only two blades in WW because a physical problem makes cross-stroking a bad idea for me. I am always in a high-kneel.
I got the Pelican Angler double blade at REI for $89 coupled to a 12.6' Old Town Pack canoe and it moves along as fast as a kayak....
Gotta love it eh!
ooo... contentious... but as long as you are comfortable and able to get out and do more... that's all that counts!
Hahaha well said :)
So glad you are pursuing good ergonomic options!!!
I use a bending branches impression solo at 280 cm.more comfortable for me because of shoulder injuries.I can last all day crusing down the river.
I say, whatever works for you. The heck with other people think. Were talking about the ability to enjoy something that is held above all else in your life. Again, do what you need to do to enjoy your travels!
Thank you for this video! Very informational and made me feel confident and comfortable. You have convinced me to go db on my first solo trip in the BWCAW.
Old Town canoe has said on the booklet it came with that two bladed paddle work well with the discovery canoe. And it does the biggest reason I see is the canoe sits very low in the water. Other canoes I have had were higher. I also find is easier on the hands and shoulders.
I use both solo. Length needed depends a lot on the hull height, width, tumble home, and blade length also. Double is great for open water and fighting the wind. I still use a single for streams and tight places and always will.
The only thing that's blasphemous about canoe paddles is people hurting themselves because of some dumb taboo. I'm just glad you're taking care of yourself! I too struggle with the need to find longer paddles, and the struggle is real!
I got an adjustable 2 piece 2.2 m DB paddle and extended it to 2.5/2.6m with an insert in the middle. Now it’s a 3 piece paddle 😂. Still, because of the extra beam, trying to catch in the middle of the boat, I’ve found it a lot more efficient in the front seat with my partner in the rear steering and paddling with a SB.
For the longer paddles bending branches makes long paddles for fishing kayaks you may like. I have two 260 cm and they are awesome.
I've been trying out a kayak paddle in a pack canoe this year as well. I also noted the speed and power especially when going into the wind. Additionally one benefit in twisty river/streams has been the ability to extend my paddles reach forward or behind the boat making tighter turning possible. The trip I just completed yesterday had me only use my "emergency" canoe paddle one time when I extended it just to make sure it was still working as expected (it's a Fox brand telescoping paddle that I use as an emergency backup). There is a flow feeling or something that I find I get when using a traditional canoe paddle although as I become more experienced with the kayak paddle I suspect I will also find something like that with it too. The paddle I use is a 240 - 260 Werner Carbon Camano Straight shaft. I just noticed when looking it up that it comes in both standard and small diameter tube width. This might be important for you to also consider. From my windsurfing background I know that smaller diameter tubing in the boom (where you hang on) can often make a dramatic difference for people with carbo-tunnel issues. Sometimes the smaller diameter also allows people to hang on for a lot longer. Excellent video like always!
I am going to buy a kayak paddle. I weigh 300 pounds so I need to sit in the middle of the canoe and I feel two blades will help battle against wind and ease control. Also in the spring I am going to join the dark side and buy a new fishing kayak. Function is slightly more important to me than tradition :)
Im about the same size as you. When I switched to a SOT kayak for tripping, I kept thinking why did I not do this sooner?
I am not that experienced, but I do love the double blade paddle for almost everything. About 20 years ago, I thought my hands and wrists were done, also from computer work. Then I finally did that thing I thought would make them worse, worked out with weights. My hands are probably better now than they ever were. I get it now, if you strengthen a part of your body beyond what strength is required for those repetitive movements, then you are not straining to make them, it is a walk in the park. The excess strength is like having armour to protect yourself from injury.
I use a Bending Branches double blade when i paddle the solo canoe that I made (a cedar strip wee lassie 2). I had to special order the paddle because it needed to be considerably longer than the double blade Grey Owl paddle that I have for my wood kayak. A long paddle is needed so excessive drips don’t come in the boat. A double blade paddle moves me well. I do not mind looking “strange”.
I tore my left rotator cuff (shoulder muscle) back in 2018 on a canoe trip, first time using a double blade. But I was paddling a 16' hard plastic loaded Coleman with a homemade back rest in the middle. I thought I was using it correctly, but that was the most painful injury I'd ever gone thru, pretty much screwed up the whole paddling season! Be careful Jon, we need yah!!!
Oh man, brutal! Definitely felt it in my shoulders, especially my right, but it seemed to be a good hurt (unlike my wrists) 🤞
I’m a kayaker looking at getting a canoe but not wanting to give up the kayak paddle. Good video
Shhh dont tell Kevin. Nice! I use the 2x on big, long lake days or some solo trips. It's horrible for whitewater or shallow, winding creeks as you can't turn as swiftly. A carbon wing blade, while $$$ (find em used from Adventure Racers), makes a bug difference. Epic makes some great 3-5 piece paddles that come apart for easy portaging. Keep those wrists happy man!
Hahah he must never know. We had talked about this a while back and I wanted to ask you what length you had when I was shopping for this, but you were on the Throat trip. Was it a 270? I was considering 240 but thankfully someone told me to get at least 250. Wish I could've got a 260 or 270, but couldn't find one that would've come in time for this trip.
@@LostLakes What size did you replaced with after the Nipigon incident? Still on a 250cm? Are your initial feelingss for the need of a longer paddle still valid? I read somewhere in the comments that you may have gotten used to the 250cm size on a 34" solo canoe, but not sure what you ended up chosing as a replacement..
I always knew the J stroke was bad for us! It's so damn awkward for the wrist IMHO. Canadian stroke for the win 🤠 👍.
Nice of you to post this video the day after I asked about the double blade. Last summer was my first year ever for any kind of paddling, on a kayak for fishing. I watched some, you guessed it, TH-cam videos for pointers. I’m no teacher but I noticed you are not swiveling. Rotate your upper body into the stroke and all your power comes from your core not your arms. Pull from your back. Kinda tricky to learn but then it’s easier long term and a lot less work for your arms.
Also, they do sell drip guards online pretty cheap. Basically a rubber gasket.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks Joe!! I will have to work on that swiveling :) The paddle actually has drip guards but it's flying right off the blades. A couple people have said you can buy a spray that'll keep the water off it
Not sure if this is reply to a reply, lol. Yep, paying closer attention I do see the drip guards. Guessing longer ones would help, always going to be some dripping. My first yak came with a paddle, first thing I changed as I was getting soaked. I think the blade design had a lot to do with it, plus going from 250 to 260. Before spending a lot on ones you don’t like, and getting discouraged, you might want to go to a store where they have practice water. Try some out to see what works best. Many down here have a practice area outdoors but I doubt you get that up in the north country, might require an expedition!
@@joeg7443 hahah yeah exactly, limited options here and 250cm was the longest I could find (that was a reasonable cost) that would get to me before my trip. Really wishing it was 260 or even 270 though. But I think it'll do
Cool tried my short kayak Werner in my new solo and it's wet lol...a longer double blade is in my future.
It's whatever works for you.
I haven't come across many adventurers like you that do the epic things you do.
ATB Reeco
I’m a total kayaker so yes to the double blades😜
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I also prefer kayak paddles to single-blade canoe paddles. They're just so much more efficient!
If you don’t use a dibbled blade you are nuts especially in the wind. It’s a no brainer. 👍🇨🇦
Glad to see you have a whole paddle for you new solo canoe. However in many circumstances the single blade is required.
I kayaked thousands of miles in sea kayaks and used a variety of different paddle designs and I wound up with severe tennis elbow and thumb problems. I recently switched to a pack canoe with a 32” beam which I mainly propel using a single blade. On windy days or when paddling against the current I use a 255 cm AguaBound and it works well for me as long as I use a slightly more vertical stroke. A 260 cm shaft would probably be slightly better. The best way to evaluate shaft length is to ensure that the entire blade surface is submerged without the shaft itself going under water. It looked to me like almost half of your blade was not immersed, probably because you were utilizing too low an angle stroke. Longer shafts definitely make a lower angle stroke more efficient but don't forget that longer means heavier and this what you gain by increasing shaft length comes at a cost. As others have mentioned using trunk muscles rather than depending entirely upon arm strength would help with your wrist problems although canoe seat design and position make that technique a bit more difficult. Adding foot braces would help.
I added a seat to the center of my canoe and it made a big difference to using a kayak paddle .
We are thinking of going to double in our canoe too. Thanks for the great video
I grew up using a single blade paddle, why not right ? With my current canoe, which is essentially a kayak hull with an open top, a double blade paddle is perfect. Plus the canoe is fairly narrow,that helps. I take a single blade beaver tail paddle as a backup on trips. With a double blade paddle and the correct boat you can really cover some water very efficiently. Sometimes I will use the single blade in the evening to just cruise around and fish. I am 5-10 but use a 250 cm paddle ,it allows for a fairly shallow paddle stroke and minimizes the drip factor in the canoe, but there is still some. Cheers !
I think you just sold alot of double bladed paddles! I've been using a 260 cm Werner for 3 years and found its power a life saver in the wind. I place it in the bow when tandem padling and single in the stern. I also use it to set up my trecking pole tent from backpacking, keeps the weight down. It's like crack, try it once and your hooked!
Thanks for the info. I do most of my canoeing solo (I have my dog with me but I can't seem to teach him to paddle) and have been wondering about double versus single. I will pick up a double for next season.
I have wrist and forearm issues it definitely helps to change things up
i'm over the whole tradition of most things. all that matters is that the person is out and having fun. Whether a double blade, kayak, canoe, wood paddle, aluminum paddle, rubber boat, etc. it don't matter!!
Look at a Greenland paddle too. Easy to make.
"Horses for courses" we each have our own ideas as to what's right. I'm a bit of a purist, or was when I was younger about these things. I would say things like "half the paddle, twice the man" etc. But as I grow older (59) it really doesn't matter anymore. As long as you are out there making these terrific videos, I don't mind you switching to the "devil's paddling stick" now and then. But I agree with you about the single blade on whitewater, its just the right tool for the job.
Lol I'm new too boating. I'm just financial after doing a couple of days of research that there's a whole or debate thing. This seems kind of silly. The point is mobility while being safe efficient and enjoying the view. I don't see why having two paddles and I couldn't it would be such a big deal. To me it makes more sense. Buying our first canoe and I'll definitely get a pair of these for the wife and I. Doesn't make sense to stress your back over the alternating single side usage.
I prefer using a sit and switch type of paddling to J stroking. My wife switches sides when she feels like it and I switch as necessary to keep a straight line. It can involve frequent switching for me but I still find it more efficient than J stroking and easy on the wrists. I feel like I can get 1 1/2 or 2 quick strokes in the time it takes to do one J.
Nice video mate. If you rub your paddle blades with some wax it wont drip as much. I just use some cheap candle wax and it works wonders.
Thanks for that!
@@LostLakes Hope it helps :)
@@LostLakes Did you try it out? And if you did, how did it work out for you?
Hi Jon, really enjoyed this video, and your content. The things I liked the most are: The overall calming, zen like feel, and allows us to connect with nature, from the comfort of our homes. You' also give your feedback on what works well & doesn't work well, for any beginners out there, and you do it in a way that doesn't sound preachy, like some others. Music is great, editing is great. Your comments about nature & earth, and respecting it also resonate & are important. If I had any suggestion, would be to keep the outtakes in the main video (loved the outtakes, btw). I think what makes people like Joe successful, is they are able to include their fails, falls, snorting boogers, farts, etc. Not that you need to include all of that, lol, but allowing your human flaws to come out in the video, make it seem more real & relatable. Anyway, love your stuff, and so I thought I'd give longer than normal feedback. Cheeers man.
Thanks so much Patrick, I really appreciate this! That's great feedback and so true. It's very relatable stuff when we fail and have human moments. Joe's great at connecting with that stuff. Thanks again man
Regarding double-blade paddle size: Bending Branches list at their “Solo Canoe” paddles category double blades “Impression Solo” which are specifically designed for solo canoeists: available in sizes 260cm and 280cm only. And they have few articles on how to choose paddle size. For me, 5’10” height, 32” boat width, Swift Prospector 14” Pack, recommended will be 260 cm. My only concern is that pack boats have slightly lowered seat, but from my past experience with Sea Eagle inflatable kayak I need at least 250cm.
I always bring both on solo canoe trips. I like both for what they are - single blade more pleasant and elegant (I'm a sea kayaker too, and I still prefer single blade in a canoe) and double blade far more efficient. One thing I never do is the stupid "J stroke," which will destroy your wrist and is only slightly more efficient than the "goon stroke."
I added a section to a paddle myself and do the double blade thing too . In my video July 6 2020
fishing in the sportspal.
I am amazed at how easy it is to paddle a 14ft wide transom canoe.
Love the vids
Later
Thanks Tom!
Also, I found that moving those little rubber rings on the paddle all the way down as close to the blade as possible was the best way to minimize water splash back in on me.
Good insight, tips and review. Thanks. I need a new paddle this helpped
Have you tried a sit-and-switch technique with a bent single blade? You don't have to use correcting stroke (i.e. J-strokes) so it puts less stress on your wrist. When I sit-and-switch with a high cadence and short pull I can go as fast as with a double blade. With my solo Wenonah Prism I usually switch every 3 to 6 strokes to maintain a track as straight as with a correcting stroke. Although, I do opt for the double blade when I have the 60-lb. squirmy dog in the boat. That way I can quickly brace on either side.
Interesting Jim. I use it occasionally, like if my wrist pain was bad, but all the purists will crap on one for using it lol. Even more than the DB. But hey, I'm function over fashion
SOT fishing kayakers are becoming more popular and with that are longer kayak paddles that don’t bust the bank 270-280cm. Sail.ca had come on special not long ago.
And for the feathering. Wait until a windy day on a long lake. Then you realize that 90 degree offset is saving you a LOT of effort.
It's all about what works for you, let the haters hate if they think it mathers to you...
Nothing at all wrong with being "A Double Blader". If it helps with the wrist pain then it's a no brainer. I've been thinking about getting one myself and I think after your comments and opinions on them I am going to get one and try it out. Thanks Jon, have a great day my friend.
Exactly :) Thanks William!
@@LostLakesthey're just mad when you pass them with the blades. Just can't keep up
I'm a double blader all the way :)
I was on Horse lake earlier this month in the BWCA with 35 mph sustained gusts. Leaving beside that I should not have not even been on the water, there is no way I would have made it with a single blade. I love my single blade for glass water, meandering rivers and calm lakes, but when the wind starts howling or you have distance to cover, a double blade is the only way to go.
Next time you're out with Erin, on open water, try the double blade in the stern position and leave the steering corrections to the bow paddler. It's very fast but also very efficient in the wind. You can get up on a plane if you eat enough oats that morning 😜 Oh yeah and loading more weight behind you brings you closer to the water making it easier to reach. I'm not an expert I just like how I do things!
Depending on issue, try a vertical mouse. Like normal mouse turned on right side. Saved my wrist. Never go back. I’m 59.
Thank you! Moved to one a year or two ago and definitely prefer it :)
@@LostLakes
Saved me.
I incorporated a double blade into my canoe as well. It did work very well on open water and made me lazy to use my single... Try to paddle without wrapping your thumbs around it.
Thanks , very helpful
When I'm soloing in my solo canoe it's always a SB, but when I'm soloing in a tandem I take both a SB & DB. It just works better in high winds. My DB is a 280 cm job from Bending Branches. Beautiful, but definitely not light. I can abide a DB paddle, but the aesthete in me still is drawn to wooden paddles. If it keeps you paddling without pain, then there's really no discussion. Paddle on!
How tal are you? 280cm seems pretty long.
im 5'11" med arm lenght and use a old town Tripper. i just ordered a 250cm paddle, i hope it is a good sz. i just rolled the dice
@LostLakes, John, The "purists" who don't like double blade paddles fail to realize that.canoes were initially used as multi-person transports. There weren't many solo canoeist, so single blade paddles were the best for navigating. With the influx of solo trippers, double blade paddles make perfect sense for open water where making distance is key, and, as in your case, John, they save wrists in today's world of computer-driven carpal tunnel and tendonitis.
On my last portaging trip in Algonquin just this weekend, I saw two canoeists both front and back using double blades. They must have had a really good cruising speed.
Flying!
Good overview, I was wondering about those.