You know... If George simply had the discipline to finish this build rather than obsess over being THE biggest game, Duke Nukem would probably still be famous rather than infamous...
The crazy thing is this game was way ahead of the times. Even if it launched 2 years after it was shown off in 2001 it would still be the first to do lots of crazy tech.
It's especially odd since Duke had always been just a little behind the times technically. Duke 3D kept pace with 3D games like Quake basically by sheer chutzpah, and this build certainly had that.
Even the first two games showed that as well, coming out at a time when the PC platform was massively underpowered compared to consoles and arcade machines.
This is like going to a restaurant, sitting down and after three an a half hours they bring you an unwrapped, cold burger from the McDonalds across the street. Then, weeks later, you find out the Chef was originally preparing Filet Mignon for you but right before it was done the owner of the restaurant threw it into the dumpster because he didn't like the garnish, fired the chef, and then promoted a busboy to take his place. It would have hurt less to have just thought it was always going to be shit.
That strip club scene actually had a purpose in the actual story and leaed to a cool trap, ambush and escape, this makes so much more sense, how would you lure Duke into a trap? Exactly like that it's been reduced to a filler dream in the finished game what the fuck lol
The club location and main story beats (such as saving one of the girls from a rapey perv) were reused in The Doctor Who Cloned Me without the trap at the end. Why it was removed in the main game in favour of the meh dream sequence I don’t know.
We've certainly had occasions where Duke had to rescue Babes (Duke Nukem: Manhatten Project) or was simply a womanizer. It's fitting that the aliens would actually use such a thing to exploit Duke. This games setting was so promising. I fully agree with Civvies sentiments; it was better when Duke was part of the world instead of being the world.
The strip club dream actually still had a purpose in the last storyline document before the "Cutting is Shipping". The stripper there, like in this build, was supposed to be Bombshell, though instead of her luring Duke into a trap, it would've meant something else. But yeah, thanks to "cutting is shipping", it got turned into filler as Bombshell got replaced with Dylan, and the striper replaced with a generic one.
@@Savarinum I wonder if that was Bombshell's introduction and we needed to convince her to join forces or something after the trap. Maybe it was like the compactor in Half Life crossed with the cut HL1 version of Judith Mossman (for want of a better name for that sequence). Shelly could have been annoyed Duke was killing her men, not realising they were infected or was worried he was infected himself and not showing it. Or she was infected herself and Duke found a way to cure her from the Thing monster stuff, at which point she joins our side.
14:24 Besides what's already been said about this version of the EGO system... notice how it drops (pretty heavily) when Duke kills an innocent. Not too obtrusive, but it's a really effective way to remind people that Duke does, in fact, have a heart. Actions speak louder than words, and something you feel in gameplay is even louder.
And I think it still gets boosts from playing with stuff in the world like Balls of Steel pinball, pool and killing enemies, with weaker guns giving you more health back Manhattan Project style, besides just eating food and using health packs. This is exactly what I wanted the 2011 version's ego metre to be, with ego boosting activities not losing their gameplay benefit after doing them once. The only thing missing is Ego serving as armour with regular Duke health ala 3D and Advance underneath, Halo 1 health & shields style but that's OK because Manhattan Project did Ego first and Halo 1 wouldn't be out for months back then.
When Civvie killed "George", EGO got both reduced and boosted. Was a creep but also an unarmed guy that probably didn't need a .50 AE shaped hole. Orrrr Duke kinda felt bad for him but then he remembered he was a creep that did need a .50 AE shaped hole.
This duke nukem looked like Doom 3 the amazing map that caught me of guard was the hive...............look at that thing is a real masterpiece of a level!!!!!!!! Except for those women they putted there in the shadows!!!!!!!! That was so hard to watch!
If the og DNF was released, the Duke Nukem series would be in a better state than even Doom nowadays, shame it had an ambitious perfectionist leading the project
You know, you guys who keep posting replies hating on checkmark comments are just as bad as the people who like their comments 'solely for name recognition' Attention is attention, good or bad. Also, the "checkmark" folks are still people allowed to enjoy things, idiots.
There is a whole different timeline where this game comes out ahead of Halo, ahead of Half Life 2 and ahead of the ludicrous trend chasing that dogged the DNF we actually got.
People would have still been disappointed in the game because the expectations were so high. That's what took so long to release it. People romanticized the idea of it instead of seeing it for what it was; a cheesy game, based on sexism, ultra-violence, and a stereotypical 90's macho white male protagonist. The game was "Doomed" to fail because it released in the age of "woke politics" and WWII games galore.
It’s a travesty that this game was never released. The amount of time, effort and love that went into this build is nuts. Could have really made an impact on the FPS genre as a whole
The thing thats cool is that this likely isn't how much the game was worked on. This is the 2001 version of the game. what they told to news media implies that the 2002 build was MUCH more finished. Pretty much up to the final level was much more playable than this build.
In the comparatively milder .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum chamberings, the Desert Eagle has pretty mild recoil, but with .50 Action Express it's pretty damn brisk, yet Duke controls that beast like it's nothing.
There's quite a number of .50 caliber cartridges even, .50 GI, .50 Action Express, .500 Wyoming Express, .500 Linebaugh, .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum, .50 Beowulf, .50 Alaskan, etc, etc. In addition to the most famous .50 Browning Machinegun cartridge (12.7x99mm), there's the Eastern Block equivalent, the 12.7x108mm, which does the exact same thing.
It's insane that a janky unreleased demo build still feels more complete than the finished game. It really highlights that games can be amazing if the team that's working on it actually gives a shit about what they're doing.
its like with all products.. if the engineers , workers etc gets to work with the customers in mind even crap can turn out ok.. if the fat slugs upstairs that cares more to spend as little as possible to get into other peoples wallets rather then work an honest days living starts stick their greasy fingers into the workshop design documents.. even gold becomes crap :/
This is why I have so much hope for the restoration project. Just this build alone showing so much charisma in an unfinished state means that a final product will stomp ass.
Suprisingly, the Leak is still better and more full of personality than dnf2011. You can blame randy for dnf2011, but blame George Bussard for not getting the original game finished. Gotta thank cv11 for still covering the leak despite always keeping in mind that "dead is better", so, he lets more people know of the leak. Got nothing to say, i just like this video alot.
@@hollyc5417 Not strickly true. Alot of the story was re-written when it came to gearbox ((which is why it has new writers credits)), alot of the weird eyebrow raising crap really was added by gearbox with randy's ok. 3D realms were polishing and then repolishing what you see here... and the story / flow is alot better.
@@CrashHeadroom What eyebrow raising crap would that be? The vast majority of it is standard Duke Nukem humour. Either way, people weren't complaining about the story, but the final released version of the game, which is still 99% 3D Realms.
@@markobighead3173 Nope. It was rewritten by some gal at GBX when they tried to salvage maps into a coherent plot. Yeah, the storyline was roughly written by 3D Realms, but GBX filled the blanks. And that's exactly where the misogynistic jokes came in.
You can't blame Randy for anything involving DNF 2011....The only person who you can blame is George who was too busy wasting millions of 3D Realm's dollars till they had none, then wasting millions of 2Ks dollars to the point that 2K was ready to sue 3D Realms.....He was obsessed with making Duke Nukem into Modern Warfare The only thing Gearbox had to do with the release of DNF was, 2K and George talked to Randy about Gearbox staff helping 3D realms take the work they had, polish it up, get it to a state that it could actually be released...Randy/Gearbox didn't make anything for DNF.
10:42 God damn it. I'm too simple of a man. The fact that the enemy takes over the animation of pointing at the door, trying to make Duke open it for him, made me laugh too hard.
Hahaha I was also creeped out at the same time....like imagine you saw that in real life...after murdering someone it waves to you all happy like. yikes!....and I love that it wants you to open the door so it can kill you next but is pretending to be sooooo "nice''
Even if nothing really comes out of this just the fact that we now have access to proper editing tools for UE1 & actual documentation for it is a bigger deal than most people probably know
@@SuperTed641 the leak included the entire level editor for the game so it's possible for people to make levels with the native tools originally used for those games.
@@coolbrotherf127 sounds pretty huge but I know next to nothing about game development so why wouldn’t this be known already? Was there not many games that used this version of unreal engine? Or does unreal not allow anyone to have access to all of the editing tools even when using their engine to make a game?
@@revalution1965 Obviously other games have used this version, but the ones we have were released without the dev tools used to make the games or the source code used to the actual engine. Now with the leak, we have authentic source code of the engine and the dev tools used to design the levels that were once thought loss to time. Usually with old games people have to make wrappers and basic patches for them, but with this community devs can directly edit the code to fix issues as well as potentially finishing the game or even making a new game with the basis there.
I think the truly ironic thing at the end of the day is that if all broussard wanted was to make a game to give half-life a run for its money graphically and fraturewise, he wouldve succeeded. So much of this build has stuff years ahead of things we'd pin on HL2 for innovating, but it wasn't enough...
Honestly... Who even WANTS to see Vegas during the day? Vegas is the kind of town that looks best at night and with beer goggles on. Sober and during the day, the cracks start to appear. 🤣
13:12 agreed, the entire duke 3d world was seedy and gritty, even up to some of the music in the game ("gotham" comes to mind), he was the comedic relief to all that, and that's why it worked nicely
Compare and contrast DNF to Half-Life 2 or Doom 2016: two other FPS sequels that are famous for hyping up the player character as a legendary hero. HL2 has your character getting hyped up by Barney & treated as a serious threat by the Combine, but the player's been stuck as an unarmed civilian getting kicked around by asshole cops and relying on others to save you. You feel lost and uncertain at first, literally being chased through sewers like a rat. By the end of the game you ARE the legendary hero everyone said you could be, and the game's given you numerous opportunities to prove that. Doom 2016 starts with the hero tearing apart manacles with their bare hands, demolishing their foes, and generally being an unstoppable badass. The PC has already proven their credentials by the time the game starts hyping them up as The Ultimate Hero. I haven't played DNF so I can't speak for it firsthand.
@@Ninjat126 in the final DNF the 2011 version basically you spend the first like 30 minutes just fucking around (sometimes literaly) and just doing stupid shit until you get to actually fight monsters, it kind of works taking into account what they were going for the game were duke basically stopped fighting bad guys after saving the planet and started to go under and had to prove that he still got what its needed to save the world, but yeah
It's pretty much why Saints Row lost its edge too, when the devs turned the entire game world into a parody of itself it just wasn't as funny as before.
@@AlphaCarinae It's Unreal Engine, with the correct editor supplied in the package, and a whole bunch of working assets & systems. If you think that's not enough for the fans to do something with, you truly underestimate their capabilities - especially considering it's a chance to re-create Duke Nukem Forever. I bet there are dozens of die hard fans working on something cool at this very moment.
@@AlphaCarinae Bro I never underestimate the PC gaming community bro sorry these motherfuckers literally have nothing better to do and have nothing but time
@@AlphaCarinae entire source code + editing tools we're also there, if you think some turbo nerds aren't already doing stuff with it then you're out of your mind dude
Ya know this could easily come out nowadays if they released it completely as a full game. Boomer shooters are on the rise again and are having a bit of a Renaissance. This would be perfect since it'd be the first "AAA" boomer shooter on a older engine and actually fit a certain time period and not try to simulate it.
Considering how screwed up of a development this game had and considering the final version with the newer engine obviously was terrible, it's too bad they didn't just decide to finish the 2001 version and just release it as a cheaper steam/xbla title or something.
@@plasmaoctopus1728 Throw some old devs on the project, tell them to take their time and refine it the way they wanted it, and throw it out on Steam as "Duke Nukem Eternal".
@@hgfddfguhnjjuuj bro spend less time on fourChan. No one actually gives a shit outside of the handful of shitty takes your force fed to make you think there’s some sort of liberal agenda to ruin video games. Also, bit ironic that you think games weren’t political back then. Like… have you even played deus ex?
This shit feels like a moral story where an artist obsessed so much over perfection in his work, he fails to see his first or second attempt was his best and he shoulda just bite his tongue and worked on what they had
@@Upsetkiller456 well, not all the time. I like the process of creating something, even if It's not perfect. I mean, ffs, I usually sign my art with an acronym that pretty much stands for "Imperfect creator and creations" in my language. Even have "a jack of all trades, but a master of none" in most of my bios. It can be daunting sometimes, thought. I have these moments from time to time then I'm trying so hard to get some details right but just... I just can't... Drawing, writing, sculpting, ect. it doesn't matter. Usually, I either "put a pen down" and have a little stroll around the house for half an hour and return to the project with a fresh view *OR* go full on batshit crazy by letting my mind and my hands do whatever they want while I zone out and come back to my senses a few hours later and pick small tid bits ftom here and there that I actually like from the incoherent wall of words and pencil strokes. Well, at least that's what my experience is like. Pretty neat to see how people do stuff differently.
Honestly the second-best timeline is the one where Gearbox saw the 2010 build they were handed, realized that it was unusable and that sometimes you have to cut your losses, and buried the project so deep that even the people who unearthed this build couldn't find it.... and then this build still got leaked anyway, possibly only a year or so later. No one ever has to learn exactly how much worse it got, and they certainly don't have to pay $60 for the privilege.
The franchise might be dead and we'll never see Duke again, but that damn theme song still gets me pumped. Edit: Also interesting that the psychological thriller level of this game is both far creepier and more effective than the "find three things for the stripper" level of the final version. Who'd have guessed?
There's definitely going to be Duke sometime in future. Some one will definitely buy the rights at some point if they're not used. It's just too "incorrect" these days that it'll for surely gain interest in future.
bs. if anything this leak saved it and proved everyone how much duke still matters and how pretty much everyone is absolutely amazed about the play level of this alpha version game.
With Gearbox owned by Embracer, who likes to resurrect dead franchises and make throwback games, I thibk there's a very good chance for more Duke games in the future. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Flying Wild Hog studio, the team that made the new Shadow Warrior games, were given the Duke franchise.
@@fattiger6957 hope this never happens as they decapitated lo wang basically. just made him into painkiller like the painkiller series that they worked on before fwh. fwh is an arena horde maker so they would just turn duke into that and ugh the shivers whole thought creates.
10:43 Holy shit, that zombie asking you to open the door is genuinely funny, and a nice parody of HL1. Did Gearbox *deliberately* go through this and strip out anything remotely decent, fun, or entertaining? I'm getting salty just watching this and thinking about what we could have had. Also, I want to think that 20:11 would have played Great Big Sea's "Donkey Riding." If not, some modder needs to make that happen.
If you forgive me playing devil's advocate for a moment, this was not only (likely) already cut when Gearbox picked up the publishing rights, this was (likely) already cut _many years_ before they picked up the publishing rights. You gotta understand, DNF 2011 was not a totally new project that Gearbox started after 3D Realms ceased work, it was simply what was actually finished by the time 3DR stopped that Triptych Games (or whatever they were called) the remnants of the DNF team were able to salvage and turn into an actual game. Trying to turn it into an actual _good_ game was not in the cards unless Gearbox (and the fans) was willing to give them another few years or something, which wasn't going to realistically happen.
@@EmergencyChannel I played borderlands 1 2 and 3 with all the dlc's, and i can attest that the joke situation was somewhat cringy at times in 2009 and is almost completely unbearable nowadays
I never understood why they didn’t release the 2001 version of DNF. Even watching it now, it still looks like it would’ve been amazing if it came out back then
@@KnoxCarbon I swear to christ, a guy I went to highschool with literally said he doesn't care how fun a game is. He only cared about how good they look.
To my knowledge there was a disagreement with the development team and one of the guys in the office took the game and left. For the team to develope the game all the way again
@@Broken_Savior that’s what most of the original definition was. The first deus ex is an immersive sim primarily because of the level of interaction you had
From the sounds of it, both from this video and Icarus' one, there might not be enough game in this build to finish. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying its' likely going to be a lot harder than people think to turn this build into a full game.
@@Tyrranis They can always fill in the gaps. Even if it means taking some beats from 2011, they just have to do it right. A bit like the MK movie compared to the games. Take the broader plot, characters and important story elements, and make the rest up into a cohesive story. Now that with a proper DNF that takes ideas from the 2011 build
@@HappyBeezerStudios The only ones capale of this In my opinion are the guys behind the mod/sequel of Duke Nukem 3D with the bike and the female version of duke.
This game was incredibly ahead of its time for a 2001/2002 era game, outright doing major things Half Life 2/Doom 3 did 2 years after. The fact it wasn’t finished is a warcrime.
I upgraded my PC probably 3-4 times in anticipation of this game. Each new trailer and reveal had me hooked. Met George and have been really good about not fabboying the guy in the decade and a half that I’ve known him. Terribly difficult. I do wish things panned out differently though. The company and series would be in a different position had there been other forms of management. Interesting find and super glad this came to light!
I learned to deal with the fact that Duke Nukem was ruined. I wasnt ready to learn the fact that it could have been amazing and ahead of its time. Thanks a lot Civvie...
@@michaelpecukonis5074 If it makes you guys any better, people still bully George Broussard over it to this day. This build's release kicked off a whole new era of bullying for him.
@@DinnerForkTongue that is true. I and someone else mentioned this on another DNF 2001 video too, though a third guy initially thought we were talking about Cruelty Squad.
What a shock, randy lied about how much Of this was done. It’s almost like his grease affects the words in his mouth and they come out too fast before he can determine if they’re true
To be fair, it makes 3d Realms look a lot better if the story is "They just couldn't get anything proper finished that we can show" vs "3d Realms scrapped this whole build and concept in order to leave something far worse for Gearbox to tape together in 2~ years".
@@TheMadalucard Or the story is George Broussard fucked 3D Realms hard and pushed the development too far back, ran out of funding and the greaseball that is Randy at least let them finish. I hate Randy, but DNF releasing like it did I still feel is entirely on 3D realms
This build may not have been the next Half Life like 3D Realms wanted, but it would have been remembered fondly as an era favourite (like games such as System Shock, F.E.A.R, Black etc.) Shame, really.
The thing about DNF 2011 is that Duke comes across as mean and cruel, and it reaches maximum "ehhhh" with the fate of the Twins and Duke's quip in the aftermath. And to be fair a lot of that stuff was present by the 2008 design document, but it seems to me that 3D Realms, or the people who were working there by 2008 had never played Duke 64 or Zero Hour. They had no concept of the more sympathetic Duke found in those two games -- who is still true to the spirit of Duke, but is more of an overt anti-hero, kicking ass and taking names and saving babes. That version of Duke is what they needed to look to. Duke as a babe saver was introduced by the N64 games, and it's a genius flourish. But when you play Zero Hour and then DNF 2011 back to back, the whiplash is horrible. N64 Duke is a blowhard, narcissistic charmer. It doesn't matter why he saves the babes. His personal flaws fade away. That he saves them is what makes him on the side of the angels. DNF 2011 Duke is a selfish, cruel prick that for no apparent reason finds the suffering and death of women entertaining. As an aside, various teams are currently working on fixing and (perhaps) finishing the game. The source code was included with the build, which is allowing a lot of progress to be made.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves Zero hour. At the beginning it also showed Duke being more intelligent than he lets on when he talks about temporal disruptions.
@@luichinplaystation610 ? I don't see how that has anything to do with this discussion. Duke being an out and out prick in DNF 2011 has nothing to with wokeness
I remember watching Land of the Babes and if I remember correctly, Duke had actual dialogue, not him just regurgitating one-liners over and over, but actual words that functional human beings say.
I really wish that the 2001 build was the version that we got, but George just had to be an idiot and Greasy Bastard Randy pretty much helped kill the franchise. Rest in peace Duke. You will be missed
If Randy has a soul, he'll let 3D Realms make a proper sequel to DN3D now that they're under the same parent company. It wouldnt be DNF, but it'd at least be good. Only time will tell.
@@Feasco They aren't really the same studio. A lot of the people at 3D Realms are now new people, and don't forget that they did Ion Fury, which was a cool game
Started to feel like it was never going to happen. A leak of the 2001 "version" was Def like the holy grail of leaks. So glad it not only finally happened but we got the full source code as well. So projects like the restoration project could happen.
There's already a very dedicated group of people working on the completion of that build and they already added stuff like npc soft lock fixes, partical fixes, added music and even implemented voice acting in the first level (except for the talkshow bit) I'm confident that the passion and dedication of these people will let DNF shine in it's full 2001 glory.
thanks for that great news! :) makes me hopeful. where can i find the work of those people? is there a youtube channel or a forum? greetings from germany :)
There's a Discord server where the people who work on the project are and where there are people like me who just meme, interact and follow the project. A youtuber with the name Shivaxi has linked server below his DNF videos
@@ForestBoyProductions Oh, great! 😍 Can you find fans that will produce the missing seasons of "Jericho" and "Jeremiah", while also giving us this new "Farscape" series that has been promised for over a decade now? If they can make anything possible, those would be my first wishes! 😍 But I've still got a long wishlist with many more unrealized projects waiting. Greetings from Germany ❤️
Being able to actually play this is like finding out that Luigi was an Mario 64 or learning that the changed music in the original Sonic 3 PC port was actually from the Sonic 3 prototype.
@@stonecodfish2365 everything involved in documenting prototypes in video games originally stems from the sonic community and the Simon Wai Sonic 2 Beta so its unavoidable. tcrf, hidden palace, all lead by former and current sonic community people. hell hidden palace exists because the creator was originally hoping to one day find the Sonic 1 beta, which one prototype finally surfaced last year
@@luichinplaystation610 The model for Luigi was in the Nintendo Megaleak from a few years back in the same directory as a ton of Mario 64 assets, all signs point to a scrapped multiplayer component.
We might of actually got another completely different DN game in 2011 had this version been released in 2000s. We could of had a sequel/remake like we did with Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal. But nah, we got slapping wall boobs.
Also it blows me away going through the build how creative and diverse all the different levels were and there details...such great ideas for its campaign. Like I really think this couldve been up there with Half Life 2 when it came to diverse gameplay narrative moments in a single player story. From Las Vegas...to Deserts, boats, Hoover Dam, strip clubs...mines, labs, spooky ghost town lile Ravenholm with Tremor like creatures...Area 51, EDF base, rocket base the moon an alien mothership...so wild
I'm really hoping since remakes are the only games being made, that we will one day see a new Manhattan style 2d indie Duke. We just need to wait for Randy's greasy hands to drop the rights outside a bar.
Considering how dedicated and skilled modding communities can be, I definitely expect that they'll complete and polish the shit outta this. Also, I do like how "Shades" is a pun on "Windows." Nice. Also also, Desert Eagles actually *do fire* .50 cal rounds. .50 Action Express, to be precise. They're of course shorter than a .50 BMG
There was one... its already falling apart. Apprently the hubub is someone got into the project, started demanding tons of political changes ((the head dev was advised NOT to bring them in)) and it's already falling apart. It just can't happen nowadays, companies have brainwashed people to much into being a little army and if that doesn't work then jealousy does.
I don’t know man, Unreal Engine 1 is apparently notoriously difficult to work with, which is a major reason for why the game’s development was so difficult.
fr, the k9's were probably on the military base with the time machien. Cant wait till civvie Summons the homie who made deth wish and nighmare reapers squad and some othere homies to finish this .. Civies doing it to , just look at some of the tings he say in the vid talking about modders completing the game one day, and look at the title of the vid , your games is coming back !!!
Seeing this build shows that 3D Realms had a big, ambitious title they were gonna release back in the 00's, but didn't because George didn't think it would good enough. You can also see all the corners that got cut. Good corners too.
it's interesting to me that 3D Realms became so obsessed with being so technically distinct from its competition when it started it's life seeing eye to eye with Doom II. I mean, they definitely put more attention to detail into the environments, and they brought their own sense of humour and charm into the mix, but for the top brass to get so up their ass about the engine they were using just seems so out of character... that said i don't really know jack shit about the management structure of 3D Realms before that point, so maybe the Build Engine Duke Nukem games were all just a fortunate series of flukes
the cartridge is refered to as .50 Action express or .50 AE for short. the caliber just dictates the diameter of the projectile. when most people hear 50 caliber they usually think of .50 BMG which you would never fit in an autoloading pistol. my preferred 50 caliber round though is S&W .500 magnum. ya know. for when there's an intruder. hiding behind the refrigerator. at your neighbors house.
Zuum!!! lol that happened to me the other day. power went out. it startles you and for a few seconds you feel like you died or something coz everything just goes silent and dark hahaha
I love that when you shoot the prospector, his glasses and hat stay in place, hovering in the air like it's a Looney Tunes cartoon. I know it's probably a bug but it's funny AF and should be a feature. I'm glad this build was finally leaked and a team has decided to properly finish it so that we can finally get the DNF we deserved. It's just a shame that it took so long to happen.
Hearing Civvie talk so highly about this version of DNF warms my heart, but kills my soul knowing this version was taken away from us. This would've been amazing. History defining.
@@chavesa5 This is pretty much up par with the biggest game in that time. It would be a success if this was complete. Kinda sad, but it's done. Hopefully someone can finish this. The end was really hyping. Wish there was more, it really look good.
@@aleigor450 yes I'm old too I was there in 2001. I don't know of many kids who were into Duke. It would have been a hit but not exactly taking the genre anywhere. Remember Halo hit that year. Counter Strike was huge. That was the real hotness.
@@chavesa5 I was 11 that year! I was hyped for DNF and this demo is just like I was imagining it. It could of been the game that make Duke Nukem really mainstream, but maybe not also. And yeah, I remember Halo all too well, the best console shooter at the time, with Perfect Dark
There's an unmatched feeling of dread and horror that comes from playing unfinished games like this and the Half-Life 2 beta maps in the dark in the middle of the night
playing beta versions, and playing outright unreleased games are different, but yes. on one hand, the HL2 beta feels weird and eerie is because you've grown attached to retail HL2 so much that this is a completely new experience where the base feels familiar, but the shell surrounding it is very unstable, worked around and rough. it's a really majestic feeling
I feel like this build getting leaked and being playable is the closest thing to a catharsis we can get in these days. Or just finally emptying our big blue balls.
"You can use the level select to go to any level that's here" Well... Not exactly. Lots of them are selectable in there, but there's a few *hundred* map files you can load using the console. Including all of the maps originally used for the 2001 trailer (in various states of functionality) and a ton of really neat development leftovers, cool maps like one where you're inside a CD drive, lots of test maps and multiplayer maps. Cool shit.
10:40 that's one of the funniest gags I've ever seen in a game like this. Shows what happens when you don't have a greasy, sleazy, try-hard Melvin writing your comedy bits.
It's amazing how much content was completed, and then scrapped in the years that followed. They had a huge gem, years before Far Cry, Doom 3, and Half-Life 2, and didn't know it. Somewhere out there is also a mid to late 90's Quake-engined incomplete Duke Nukem Forever, that would be great to see as well.
The Quake 2 version never made it far: the E3 1997 trailer was essentially all they had and it was all stuff made for the event. The Quake 1 screenshots that appeared earlier were mock ups made while 3D Realms was waiting for id to deliver the final code of the Quake 2 engine.
Duke hedonistic attitude in 3D was tolerable not because it was "fair for its day" but because it felt like he would fight to the death against aliens to keep with that lifestyle, and I can respect that mindset In Forever it feels like he is just a manchildren, a shallow parody of himself, ironic because he is supposed to be a parody himself
Part of me wishes this had never seen the light of day. The fact that a leaked beta from 20 years ago is miles ahead of what we finally got is depressing.
Isn't that everything Randy touches? Colonial Marines didn't even have that long to stew before he served something undercooked and looked nothing like what was on the menu.
Damn the game even had a fast use riot shield before Urban Chaos: Riot Response would use that idea (and do it super well). I also appreciate the Snatch reference when talking about the Desert Eagle.
The placeholder TTS voices are mainly AT&T voices. I heard "Crystal" as the receptionist in the "It Is Happening Again" part. That same voice can be found in the janky CyberSkunk Pictures game engine demos.
This game really had so much potential, a shame it turned out how it did 😔 Also of course Duke finds a way to be relevant again with something that is immediately dated
This build reminds me of "No one lives forever" Like this not quite IS game. But still with lots of interactivity. No one lives forever video when civvi?
Everyone blames Randy, but I blame George for the most part. Randy may have fucked up future games in the franchise getting made, but George was the one who royally fucked up the entire games development
I'm still blocked by George on Twitter because I made a joke on an unrelated tweet about how embarrassing it was that he had to get Randy Pitchford of all people to finish his game. Worth it. I'm still sad about what could have been, and I'm not even a massive Duke fan.
Nein. George is to blame for not delivering on DN:F, yes. But Randy is to blame for the DN:F version that we ended up getting and is STILL to blame for not allowing Duke Nukem content to be made, because of his pettiness. Let's not pretend that Randy is innocent of anything and that he doesn't deserve all the hate and scorn he gets as he ruined several franchises; remember Aliens Colonial Marines? For example.
Let's all just agree that every person who picked up this ball after 2001 just dropped it and dropped it until the poor ball somehow got brain damaged, even though it doesn't have a brain (being a ball).
@@DarkOmegaMK2 It is thanks to Randy that we even got a DNF game at all. The project was a wreck when Randy approached it, but they made up a deal and a small team of people of the then fired 3d realms team, now Triptych games, worked intensely from home for about half a year to gather up and put together what they had as best as possible before they transferred the files and the rights to Gearbox to finish it up. So if you hate Randy for giving us DNF then maybe you should hate Triptych for providing him with the source material. I haven't played it myself, I'm waiting for a steam sale, but on the whole a lot of people think it's at least an okay game, if not decent, even if it's not up to our 2001 expectations or without flaws. Even LGR liked it and I felt that his review was very sincere and fair.
Strangely, the early version of the Randy version of Duke Forever featured the Shades Operating System. Decided to look up the footage of shown on the Jace Hall show and there it was, back when that version looked fun. That old version even allowed you to hold every weapon in the game.
I think you could also still see the jet pack in use in single player still in that footage as well. Something you never get in the released version. So much was cut.
It's really interesting how much Duke Nukem: Zero Hour audio content exists in this build. Many EDf lines like "Cocked, locked and ready to rock, Duke!" for example.
Whoever did this, thank you for the early birthday gift. I hope that we'll get another Duke Nukem game someday. As for this build, I say "let the fans and modders have their fun." Whatever they do, please god give him some sunglasses.
10:40 I know Civvie went off about how smooth and great the animations were earlier but it didn't click for me until seeing that arm movement like.. that's so amazing for 2001
16:26 - I've just realized - the lens flares here are flipbooks. Each lens flare is not a static image, but an atlas of frames and the flare's position on screen determines which frame of the animation is used. That's a pretty cool idea, I've never seen something like this done before!
It is odd how the flare sprite as it were appears behind the motorbike's first person model. Also a bit too large for a level going past many lights on a road in that space of time, quite strobe-like.
Keep in mind there's supposedly a way way more finished build of this and this gives me hope of us one day finding that build. With this and TF2 devs actually responding, 2022 really feels like an alternative universe.
@gensokyo boyz I just watched footages of the 2003 build and it looks like it was the one where they switched to DOOM 3 engine with stencil shadows (+bump mapping?).
Uh, Duke was pissing out of his mouth. What, did he graft a deer antler to his groin? Also, the Riot Shield is something I feel like we need more of in shooters. After all, in classic boomshoot you're mostly dodging projectiles, but in a game with hitscanners you can't do that, so naturally it'd make sense to have blocking as a response to what you can't dodge, rather than break the flow by having regenerating health as a crutch.
@@GreenEyedDazzler Too right you. Admittedly, most of my Aqua Team memories are of Doctor Weird's moments. *Steve:* "Gentlemen! Fill me with barbecue sauce because I'm dumb as hell!" *Randy:* "...yeah ok. Sounds like a fun magic trick."
@@fojisan2398 On the one hand I can see how that would work. But on the other hand, a dedicated block button a'la Ultrakill would make blocking flow better into the gameplay loop. After all, while DUSK technically has a block button, it's only really a block button when you've got a melee weapon equipped, so that's an extra step you have to take that you're probably not going to take in the heat of the moment. That said, it wouldn't have to be the right mouse button, since that'd make blocking take up precious alt-fire capabilities like how ADS does in other shooters. Maybe have it default to R or F or C, or maybe \ or Shift since they're closer to the pinky when you're in WASD configuration.
I'm still so enthused by all this. You forgot to mention something extremely important though- this leak includes the source code, meaning people are perfectly able to finish it in proper condition.
Fr Homie !!! -- Civvie Summon the death wish super Ninja and your fans at Nightmare Reaper lets bring a hero back from the dead.. !!!! Video was mind blowing out of noware.. Thanks Civvie for getting footage with the August hair, So merciful, A honorable viewing.... when Iv been waiting for this unfinished game 20 years and its still sooo sooo fucking good if fixed and finished.. i dont know how to feel.... Can some modder add in a broken duke troll looking version of randy pitchford u have to kick to death and bad moulth periodicly like the mickys at the land of the babes ???? Uhh Civvie ??? fingers crossed Kill the randy then have civvies new sewer effect play Kill the randy sprite with mighty foot then loot him for quest item grease
Those particles and explosions. Damn. This is a little history moment. Maybe Duke get some positive recognition again. And Im glad that Civvie finally scratch that itch.
I don’t agree with what seems to be the consensus that Yahtzee’s script for a Duke Nukem revival should be used. Yahtzee’s script just assume’s that no one in the modern world could take Duke seriously. No, f*ck that. It’s the era of the throwback shooters! It’s prime time for Duke to come back! Now yes, Yahtzee’s script is certainly a funny parody of the character, but I wouldn’t want it to actually be the modern Duke Nukem, he’s a badass, and the DOOM Slayer just got put into hibernation, we’ve got no other unapologetically badass characters right now, neither in movies or video games. Here’s my pitch: If Duke Nukem 3D was a homage to 80s and 90s action movies, make a modern Duke be a parody of modern action movies, that are pumped out on an assembly line and have no artistic merit. “A whole team of hero’s? I only need ONE me, baby!” “”The 90s are over”, huh? Well, it’s the era of the throwback and reminiscing, and in a few minutes, I’m gonna reminisce about how badly I’m about to kick your ass.” “I don’t need no time travel, to kick your ass twice!” “I don’t need the power of six stupid god stones, I was born with two of ‘em, and I’m gonna make sure you know what they taste like!” “What? Did you expect a middle aged man with daddy issues? Well, I’m about to be *your* daddy, and your ass not being kicked is an issue for me.” In fact, I would go as far as to say that Duke Nukem does NOT need to change for the modern era. Keep Duke *exactly* the same, but occasionally throw a male body builder into the crowd of adoring Duke fans, and have Duke treat him no differently to the rest of the babes. You could also try what DNF failed at, and have a female side kick, who Duke never once flirts with, and treats as a complete equal. Maybe make her a lesbian to not break the illusion that any straight woman or gay man would never turn down the Duke. It’s really easy to make Duke Nukem work, especially now, with DOOM and Shadow Warrior both getting new games (although apparently people aren’t too fond of the latest Shadow Warrior), and a theorized Quake reboot on the way. Right now is the best possible time for Duke to make his triumphant return. But he won’t, because the one thing that won’t fall out of Randy’s greasy palms, is the rights to IP’s he plans to do nothing with.
fucking THIS. treating duke as if hes a joke and doesnt matter anymore goes against the very nature of the character and why people love him. Treating him like hes outdated effectively neuters him. Its like if you made doomguy a generic 7th gen marine man instead of an unstoppable force of nature. It just does not work with the character.
@@catb0mb Sure, and sorry, Duke needs to fuck Bombshell, no lesbian, no BS and no gay man in the crowd. It starts with little things like that and at the end of the day the game will be ruined. Don't do politics and don't deal with morals at all with Nukem, Duke should make fun of the world and aliens and maybe people for movie references but the game doesn't need to make fun of him. Especially, don't try to appeal to people that won't be playing the game anyway. I looked at Turbo Overkill lately and the night, stripclub, greasy feel is there, so it can definitely be done well and be spectacular. Put great gameplay on top, and good jokes, lots of secrets. The recipe is there and doesn't get old. Put strippers everywhere yeah but let them in the background. Duke is a legend because he's an action machine, and that part belongs to you, the player, to make it work. The day you ace the game everything is supposed to fit and makes sense. And the palyer's goal is to ace the game, so make it fun, difficult, spectacular, challenging, and smart, with lots of hidden things, references, hidden passages and clever mechanics.
To go further, I'd be impressed with a really cheap mechanic where the difficulty mode and the way you play the game change the NPC dialogue. It would be less ego trip that way but more you the player being in Duke's boots and being responsible for his "legend". So Duke would not be cheesy, you'd deserve it. If you play easy mode, take an hour to complete a level, die ten times and can't shoot, the game would make the NPC laugh at you. If you 100% speedrun the game in max difficulty they should be in awe. That'd be a nice throwback at the "ego" mechanic, be a way to take Duke more respectfully, and if you're a complete joke of a player, then Duke wouldn't be cheesy he'd just suck. And you could have multiple endings... Not a power fantasy, just feedback, with the goal of making Duke as awesome as he's supposed to be. Same thing with his cheesy dialogue : you'd deserve it, it'd be for simple stuff in-game like triple kills, wiping an encounter in no time, consecutive headshot kills etc. And if you suck at the game Duke starts complaining like a bitch xD
This just puts another coffin into the current state of videogames. All of these things in a game from 2001. A far cry from better times, back when devs actually had creative freedom and suits and TBBT hadn't ruined the industry.
@@rajasnagpurkar the big bang theory. It started on 2007 and it brought "nerd culture" into the mainstream and suits started to realize how profitable this industry is.
There's still plenty of great gems coming out, there's things like Kirby, God Of War, Elden Ring, Deltarune, Omori, TBOI, Dead Estate, Dead Cells, Splatoon, Resident Evil, Astral Chain, Mad Rat Dead, Skullgirls, Ultrakill, etc. It's the sheer appalling horror of just how far the boundaries of scumminess can be pushed with sewage like CyberPunk, Fallout, Balan, Babylon's Fall, Poppys Playtime, Fifa, Anthem, and etc, where companies keep finding ways to dig deeper and deeper to break new lows in greed. The problem isn't a lack of great games with love and passion poured into them, it's the degree to which scummy devs are allowed to push the limits of how much they can get away with.
It's so amazing how much is DONE. Like, there is so much ready for release. That many guns and enemies for what is basically a tech demo? Animations and detail seemingly finished? How long was this particular version being cooked before it was tossed out?
there's also a 2002 version which is even more complete to our knowledge, if you heard that the game was "90% complete", then yes, the 2002 beta was that one
This version is dated October 2001 and probably started development when 3D Realms got access to Unreal. The "80-90% complete" build was dated December 2002 while Doom 3 was shown off at E3 2003. Doom 3's stencil shadows was what doomed this version of the game, so we can assume this version was in development from around 1999 to spring 2003, when George decided to delay the game to implement the shadows, which fucked everything.
Bro this is big for the gaming industry. This goes to show had of George finished this by idk 2003 Duke wouldn't of died a tragic death. I would of played Duke 2003 still to this day and new iterations of Duke. This is proof graphics shouldn't be the selling point of your game. Graphics normally take up 70% of your game leaving you with 30% for the rest of the game. Elden ring also proved this by releasing a finished game with pretty decent graphics. They're not mw2019 or tarkov levels of beautiful but the game looks absolutely beautiful.
This is the biggest "What if?" moment in gaming to me. What could of this have been? Even more curious to me is if the claims that this build continued on for another year of development before it was restarted are true. If so, I want to know how THAT version looks!!!
Watching it again now. I honestly think I've watched your whole catalogue three or four times, and it just never gets old. You single handedly revamped my whole passion for older FPS games, and retro games in general to be honest. Thanks cause it's been a ride playing these new "Oldschool" titles. I'm playing through "Hedon" now. ROTT is next.
The HUD being inside Duke's sunglasses was actually first implemented in Duke Nukem: Land of the Babes and yes, I DO have a guilty pleasure for the DN PS1 games, I'll gladly die on the cross for that opinion, those games were fun!
@@predcon1 DN64 was my introduction to Duke Nukem, me and my sis played through the campaign in co-op. Good thing it was censored because then it would of been more awkward otherwise.
@@SynthLizard8 I didn't even know there was co-op. In fact I can't think of _any_ FPS or TPS game on the 64 with a co-op mode. Plenty with MP deathmatches and stuff. My sister and brothers loved the MP in Turok 2 and BattleTanx
@@solidsnake8008 Fortunately I was well versed with Tomb Raider 2 at that point, played through it several times so, the controls weren't that big of a hurdle for me.
You know... If George simply had the discipline to finish this build rather than obsess over being THE biggest game, Duke Nukem would probably still be famous rather than infamous...
Da.
Agreed.
The crazy thing is this game was way ahead of the times. Even if it launched 2 years after it was shown off in 2001 it would still be the first to do lots of crazy tech.
@@booksmeow1633 I reckon it still would've been overshadowed by Half Life 2, but would enjoy a better legacy than Doom 3.
@@booksmeow1633 would have competed with deus ex, to a certain degree ,god i want to live in that timeline
It's especially odd since Duke had always been just a little behind the times technically. Duke 3D kept pace with 3D games like Quake basically by sheer chutzpah, and this build certainly had that.
George Broussard’s biggest mistake was forgetting the lesson of Duke Nukem 3D which was you don’t need the latest tech to make a fun game.
Yeah
“I ain’t afraid of no Quake.”
Even the first two games showed that as well, coming out at a time when the PC platform was massively underpowered compared to consoles and arcade machines.
True
Graphics is not what makes a game is just another gimmick/demo/showcase
This is like going to a restaurant, sitting down and after three an a half hours they bring you an unwrapped, cold burger from the McDonalds across the street. Then, weeks later, you find out the Chef was originally preparing Filet Mignon for you but right before it was done the owner of the restaurant threw it into the dumpster because he didn't like the garnish, fired the chef, and then promoted a busboy to take his place.
It would have hurt less to have just thought it was always going to be shit.
Somehow this comment hits it right.
Last peice of the puzzle.
This was incredibly cathartic to read.
This sounds almost like it came from personal experience
This is a perfect description. The wasted potential of Forever is immense.
That strip club scene actually had a purpose in the actual story and leaed to a cool trap, ambush and escape, this makes so much more sense, how would you lure Duke into a trap? Exactly like that
it's been reduced to a filler dream in the finished game what the fuck lol
dream about drinking a beer and fetching a sex toy. Ego++
The club location and main story beats (such as saving one of the girls from a rapey perv) were reused in The Doctor Who Cloned Me without the trap at the end. Why it was removed in the main game in favour of the meh dream sequence I don’t know.
We've certainly had occasions where Duke had to rescue Babes (Duke Nukem: Manhatten Project) or was simply a womanizer. It's fitting that the aliens would actually use such a thing to exploit Duke. This games setting was so promising. I fully agree with Civvies sentiments; it was better when Duke was part of the world instead of being the world.
The strip club dream actually still had a purpose in the last storyline document before the "Cutting is Shipping".
The stripper there, like in this build, was supposed to be Bombshell, though instead of her luring Duke into a trap, it would've meant something else.
But yeah, thanks to "cutting is shipping", it got turned into filler as Bombshell got replaced with Dylan, and the striper replaced with a generic one.
@@Savarinum I wonder if that was Bombshell's introduction and we needed to convince her to join forces or something after the trap. Maybe it was like the compactor in Half Life crossed with the cut HL1 version of Judith Mossman (for want of a better name for that sequence). Shelly could have been annoyed Duke was killing her men, not realising they were infected or was worried he was infected himself and not showing it. Or she was infected herself and Duke found a way to cure her from the Thing monster stuff, at which point she joins our side.
14:24
Besides what's already been said about this version of the EGO system... notice how it drops (pretty heavily) when Duke kills an innocent. Not too obtrusive, but it's a really effective way to remind people that Duke does, in fact, have a heart.
Actions speak louder than words, and something you feel in gameplay is even louder.
That's so fucking cool.
And I think it still gets boosts from playing with stuff in the world like Balls of Steel pinball, pool and killing enemies, with weaker guns giving you more health back Manhattan Project style, besides just eating food and using health packs. This is exactly what I wanted the 2011 version's ego metre to be, with ego boosting activities not losing their gameplay benefit after doing them once. The only thing missing is Ego serving as armour with regular Duke health ala 3D and Advance underneath, Halo 1 health & shields style but that's OK because Manhattan Project did Ego first and Halo 1 wouldn't be out for months back then.
Duke may be an egotistical asshole, but he isn't _evil_
When Civvie killed "George", EGO got both reduced and boosted. Was a creep but also an unarmed guy that probably didn't need a .50 AE shaped hole. Orrrr Duke kinda felt bad for him but then he remembered he was a creep that did need a .50 AE shaped hole.
An enlarged heart from all the steroid abuse
It's a real shame this version of the game got canned, it's so close to being done and cooked and they left it to rot and made DNF fucking RAW
I see what you did there. If Civvie would be punished for adding Ramsey, then we must bring our own.
if I was a game dev and the project I have been working my balls off for at least a year I would half ass the next iteration
This duke nukem looked like Doom 3 the amazing map that caught me of guard was the hive...............look at that thing is a real masterpiece of a level!!!!!!!! Except for those women they putted there in the shadows!!!!!!!! That was so hard to watch!
If the og DNF was released, the Duke Nukem series would be in a better state than even Doom nowadays, shame it had an ambitious perfectionist leading the project
@@ayrtonjoga it was mission creep. It happens in ever industry and it's too late as soon as it begins.
Sometimes a wormhole opens to an alternate timeline and we get a wonderful glimpse at what could have been
Do you just comment on every channel now instead of making your own videos? Get back to work Critical.
I really wish adblocker took care of these annoying checkmark comments, at the top for name recognition only and burying the gold
For real, I’m glad more people are starting to see it.
You know, you guys who keep posting replies hating on checkmark comments are just as bad as the people who like their comments 'solely for name recognition'
Attention is attention, good or bad.
Also, the "checkmark" folks are still people allowed to enjoy things, idiots.
Duke Eternal
My absolute favorite thing about the Golden Deagle from this build is how Duke is 1-hand-rapid-firing it like an SMG. Because THAT is who Duke is.
The Duke: He follows his own rules. Neither the laws of physics nor the Geneva Conventions can stop him.
Love the reloading animation and sound too
If this had been finished back in the early 2000s, 3D Realms might still be a major developer instead of a subsidiary of something else.
There is a whole different timeline where this game comes out ahead of Halo, ahead of Half Life 2 and ahead of the ludicrous trend chasing that dogged the DNF we actually got.
@@JamesTobiasStewart agreed
People would have still been disappointed in the game because the expectations were so high. That's what took so long to release it. People romanticized the idea of it instead of seeing it for what it was; a cheesy game, based on sexism, ultra-violence, and a stereotypical 90's macho white male protagonist. The game was "Doomed" to fail because it released in the age of "woke politics" and WWII games galore.
@@mauricea.tillman4956
Sexism?
@@a.k8185 he means that Duke is Based
It’s a travesty that this game was never released. The amount of time, effort and love that went into this build is nuts. Could have really made an impact on the FPS genre as a whole
nah bro we need another borderlands game
@@GlazedInfants lol, good joke
It’s a travesty that the contents of the USB were never released. Could have really made an impact on the industry as a whole
you can thank Broussard for that too.
The thing thats cool is that this likely isn't how much the game was worked on. This is the 2001 version of the game. what they told to news media implies that the 2002 build was MUCH more finished. Pretty much up to the final level was much more playable than this build.
Civvie, the Desert Eagle fires 50 AE. It is a 50 caliber round, but that doesn’t mean it fires the same round a Barrett rifle fires.
Yep. It's 50 caliber in diameter but that doesn't mean it is the same bullet.
let's play spot the gun pedant
In the comparatively milder .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum chamberings, the Desert Eagle has pretty mild recoil, but with .50 Action Express it's pretty damn brisk, yet Duke controls that beast like it's nothing.
They come in all sorts of calibers, like .357 or .45,
There's quite a number of .50 caliber cartridges even, .50 GI, .50 Action Express, .500 Wyoming Express, .500 Linebaugh, .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum, .50 Beowulf, .50 Alaskan, etc, etc.
In addition to the most famous .50 Browning Machinegun cartridge (12.7x99mm), there's the Eastern Block equivalent, the 12.7x108mm, which does the exact same thing.
It's insane that a janky unreleased demo build still feels more complete than the finished game. It really highlights that games can be amazing if the team that's working on it actually gives a shit about what they're doing.
its like with all products..
if the engineers , workers etc gets to work with the customers in mind even crap can turn out ok..
if the fat slugs upstairs that cares more to spend as little as possible to get into other peoples wallets rather then work an honest days living starts stick their greasy fingers into the workshop design documents.. even gold becomes crap :/
This is why I have so much hope for the restoration project. Just this build alone showing so much charisma in an unfinished state means that a final product will stomp ass.
Suprisingly, the Leak is still better and more full of personality than dnf2011.
You can blame randy for dnf2011, but blame George Bussard for not getting the original game finished.
Gotta thank cv11 for still covering the leak despite always keeping in mind that "dead is better", so, he lets more people know of the leak.
Got nothing to say, i just like this video alot.
@@hollyc5417
I didnt know that.
@@hollyc5417 Not strickly true. Alot of the story was re-written when it came to gearbox ((which is why it has new writers credits)), alot of the weird eyebrow raising crap really was added by gearbox with randy's ok. 3D realms were polishing and then repolishing what you see here... and the story / flow is alot better.
@@CrashHeadroom What eyebrow raising crap would that be? The vast majority of it is standard Duke Nukem humour.
Either way, people weren't complaining about the story, but the final released version of the game, which is still 99% 3D Realms.
@@markobighead3173 Nope. It was rewritten by some gal at GBX when they tried to salvage maps into a coherent plot. Yeah, the storyline was roughly written by 3D Realms, but GBX filled the blanks. And that's exactly where the misogynistic jokes came in.
You can't blame Randy for anything involving DNF 2011....The only person who you can blame is George who was too busy wasting millions of 3D Realm's dollars till they had none, then wasting millions of 2Ks dollars to the point that 2K was ready to sue 3D Realms.....He was obsessed with making Duke Nukem into Modern Warfare
The only thing Gearbox had to do with the release of DNF was, 2K and George talked to Randy about Gearbox staff helping 3D realms take the work they had, polish it up, get it to a state that it could actually be released...Randy/Gearbox didn't make anything for DNF.
10:42 God damn it. I'm too simple of a man. The fact that the enemy takes over the animation of pointing at the door, trying to make Duke open it for him, made me laugh too hard.
It's a funnier gag than anything we got in the final game.
@@saudade347 Yeah, if there was even anything funny at all...
That joke is probably why Civvie said he was angry it never came to fruition
Human skills
Hahaha I was also creeped out at the same time....like imagine you saw that in real life...after murdering someone it waves to you all happy like. yikes!....and I love that it wants you to open the door so it can kill you next but is pretending to be sooooo "nice''
Even if nothing really comes out of this just the fact that we now have access to proper editing tools for UE1 & actual documentation for it is a bigger deal than most people probably know
Wait really?
@@SuperTed641 the leak included the entire level editor for the game so it's possible for people to make levels with the native tools originally used for those games.
@@coolbrotherf127 sounds pretty huge but I know next to nothing about game development so why wouldn’t this be known already? Was there not many games that used this version of unreal engine? Or does unreal
not allow anyone to have access to all of the editing tools even when using their engine to make a game?
@@revalution1965 Obviously other games have used this version, but the ones we have were released without the dev tools used to make the games or the source code used to the actual engine. Now with the leak, we have authentic source code of the engine and the dev tools used to design the levels that were once thought loss to time. Usually with old games people have to make wrappers and basic patches for them, but with this community devs can directly edit the code to fix issues as well as potentially finishing the game or even making a new game with the basis there.
@@coolbrotherf127 Oh shit. Are you saying source ports that take advantage of modern hardware would be possible with this?
I think the truly ironic thing at the end of the day is that if all broussard wanted was to make a game to give half-life a run for its money graphically and fraturewise, he wouldve succeeded. So much of this build has stuff years ahead of things we'd pin on HL2 for innovating, but it wasn't enough...
see also: Daikatana
some people really like to shoot themselves on their feet
Honestly... Who even WANTS to see Vegas during the day?
Vegas is the kind of town that looks best at night and with beer goggles on.
Sober and during the day, the cracks start to appear. 🤣
Even on a light buzz the cracks are there. The sidewalks are littered with call girl an strip club cards
Speak for yourself, more crackhead buggering for me.
Even fucking Fallout, a game with a desolate, nuke-torn wasteland as a setting had daytime Vegas look better than 2011 DNF.
And crackheads
@@fojisan2398 New Reno, a hive of scum and villany
13:12 agreed, the entire duke 3d world was seedy and gritty, even up to some of the music in the game ("gotham" comes to mind), he was the comedic relief to all that, and that's why it worked nicely
Compare and contrast DNF to Half-Life 2 or Doom 2016: two other FPS sequels that are famous for hyping up the player character as a legendary hero.
HL2 has your character getting hyped up by Barney & treated as a serious threat by the Combine, but the player's been stuck as an unarmed civilian getting kicked around by asshole cops and relying on others to save you. You feel lost and uncertain at first, literally being chased through sewers like a rat. By the end of the game you ARE the legendary hero everyone said you could be, and the game's given you numerous opportunities to prove that.
Doom 2016 starts with the hero tearing apart manacles with their bare hands, demolishing their foes, and generally being an unstoppable badass. The PC has already proven their credentials by the time the game starts hyping them up as The Ultimate Hero.
I haven't played DNF so I can't speak for it firsthand.
@@Ninjat126 in the final DNF the 2011 version basically you spend the first like 30 minutes just fucking around (sometimes literaly) and just doing stupid shit until you get to actually fight monsters, it kind of works taking into account what they were going for the game were duke basically stopped fighting bad guys after saving the planet and started to go under and had to prove that he still got what its needed to save the world, but yeah
It's pretty much why Saints Row lost its edge too, when the devs turned the entire game world into a parody of itself it just wasn't as funny as before.
That pipe bomb animation has more care put into it than the entirety of that 2011 DNF.
The Duke rides again, one more time. I really hope fans take this and make the proper game we've always wanted.
@@AlphaCarinae It's Unreal Engine, with the correct editor supplied in the package, and a whole bunch of working assets & systems. If you think that's not enough for the fans to do something with, you truly underestimate their capabilities - especially considering it's a chance to re-create Duke Nukem Forever. I bet there are dozens of die hard fans working on something cool at this very moment.
@@AlphaCarinae Bro I never underestimate the PC gaming community bro sorry these motherfuckers literally have nothing better to do and have nothing but time
God knows Randy won't
@@AlphaCarinae Talk about being out of touch.
@@AlphaCarinae entire source code + editing tools we're also there, if you think some turbo nerds aren't already doing stuff with it then you're out of your mind dude
Ya know this could easily come out nowadays if they released it completely as a full game. Boomer shooters are on the rise again and are having a bit of a Renaissance. This would be perfect since it'd be the first "AAA" boomer shooter on a older engine and actually fit a certain time period and not try to simulate it.
Considering how screwed up of a development this game had and considering the final version with the newer engine obviously was terrible, it's too bad they didn't just decide to finish the 2001 version and just release it as a cheaper steam/xbla title or something.
@@plasmaoctopus1728 Throw some old devs on the project, tell them to take their time and refine it the way they wanted it, and throw it out on Steam as "Duke Nukem Eternal".
@@plasmaoctopus1728 I've heard DNF 2011 shipped with UE1 still, not sure it's true
@@hgfddfguhnjjuuj bro spend less time on fourChan. No one actually gives a shit outside of the handful of shitty takes your force fed to make you think there’s some sort of liberal agenda to ruin video games.
Also, bit ironic that you think games weren’t political back then. Like… have you even played deus ex?
@@IrisCorven "Duke Nukem: Never-ending"
This shit feels like a moral story where an artist obsessed so much over perfection in his work, he fails to see his first or second attempt was his best and he shoulda just bite his tongue and worked on what they had
Many artist are perfectionist when it comes to their craft. Its sad but true, they also hate their own creations
@@Upsetkiller456 i can vouch for this
@@Upsetkiller456 I know, I'm a artist
Plz help :V
@@boodle399 Same here, mang send help LOL
@@Upsetkiller456 well, not all the time.
I like the process of creating something, even if It's not perfect. I mean, ffs, I usually sign my art with an acronym that pretty much stands for "Imperfect creator and creations" in my language. Even have "a jack of all trades, but a master of none" in most of my bios.
It can be daunting sometimes, thought. I have these moments from time to time then I'm trying so hard to get some details right but just... I just can't... Drawing, writing, sculpting, ect. it doesn't matter. Usually, I either "put a pen down" and have a little stroll around the house for half an hour and return to the project with a fresh view *OR* go full on batshit crazy by letting my mind and my hands do whatever they want while I zone out and come back to my senses a few hours later and pick small tid bits ftom here and there that I actually like from the incoherent wall of words and pencil strokes.
Well, at least that's what my experience is like. Pretty neat to see how people do stuff differently.
Dude, this is literally the holy grail of game leaks. I hope the modding community picks this up like they did with the Marathon Trilogy
what's the story behind the marathon one? never heard of it
@@lukabrasi001 +1
Wait what’s up with Marathon?
@@crusader1313 marathon was initially only on macintosh, but the aleph one team have patched it up and made it accessible to everyone afaik
@@twxfive76 Yeah but that's not the same thing as making a whole game out of a pre-alpha built.
Honestly the second-best timeline is the one where Gearbox saw the 2010 build they were handed, realized that it was unusable and that sometimes you have to cut your losses, and buried the project so deep that even the people who unearthed this build couldn't find it.... and then this build still got leaked anyway, possibly only a year or so later. No one ever has to learn exactly how much worse it got, and they certainly don't have to pay $60 for the privilege.
The franchise might be dead and we'll never see Duke again, but that damn theme song still gets me pumped.
Edit: Also interesting that the psychological thriller level of this game is both far creepier and more effective than the "find three things for the stripper" level of the final version. Who'd have guessed?
There's definitely going to be Duke sometime in future. Some one will definitely buy the rights at some point if they're not used. It's just too "incorrect" these days that it'll for surely gain interest in future.
@@jothain didn't embracer group aquire Gearbox?
bs. if anything this leak saved it and proved everyone how much duke still matters and how pretty much everyone is absolutely amazed about the play level of this alpha version game.
With Gearbox owned by Embracer, who likes to resurrect dead franchises and make throwback games, I thibk there's a very good chance for more Duke games in the future. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Flying Wild Hog studio, the team that made the new Shadow Warrior games, were given the Duke franchise.
@@fattiger6957 hope this never happens as they decapitated lo wang basically. just made him into painkiller like the painkiller series that they worked on before fwh.
fwh is an arena horde maker so they would just turn duke into that and ugh the shivers whole thought creates.
10:43 Holy shit, that zombie asking you to open the door is genuinely funny, and a nice parody of HL1. Did Gearbox *deliberately* go through this and strip out anything remotely decent, fun, or entertaining? I'm getting salty just watching this and thinking about what we could have had.
Also, I want to think that 20:11 would have played Great Big Sea's "Donkey Riding." If not, some modder needs to make that happen.
I've played Borderlands 3, I don't think Gearbox is capable of good comedy.
If you forgive me playing devil's advocate for a moment, this was not only (likely) already cut when Gearbox picked up the publishing rights, this was (likely) already cut _many years_ before they picked up the publishing rights.
You gotta understand, DNF 2011 was not a totally new project that Gearbox started after 3D Realms ceased work, it was simply what was actually finished by the time 3DR stopped that Triptych Games (or whatever they were called) the remnants of the DNF team were able to salvage and turn into an actual game. Trying to turn it into an actual _good_ game was not in the cards unless Gearbox (and the fans) was willing to give them another few years or something, which wasn't going to realistically happen.
@@EmergencyChannel I played borderlands 1 2 and 3 with all the dlc's, and i can attest that the joke situation was somewhat cringy at times in 2009 and is almost completely unbearable nowadays
The zombie asking you to open the door was the best bit in this leak.
I never understood why they didn’t release the 2001 version of DNF. Even watching it now, it still looks like it would’ve been amazing if it came out back then
Because kids are stupid and only want the prettiest graphics.
@@KnoxCarbon Because George* is an idiot who thinks kids only want graphics and game development is easy
@@KnoxCarbon I swear to christ, a guy I went to highschool with literally said he doesn't care how fun a game is. He only cared about how good they look.
I'm so tired of games that dumb down interactive levels, in favour of raytracing
To my knowledge there was a disagreement with the development team and one of the guys in the office took the game and left. For the team to develope the game all the way again
"Duke Nukem is an immersive sim" is a take I never would have thought of, but holy shit it makes so much sense.
Easy to forget how awesome Duke 3D was with interactive environments for its time.
@@sc065 Granted, it still feels a little barren compared to Deus Ex and Shadow warrior, but hey it was neat at the time.
Interactive environments makes something a immersive sim, now?
@@Broken_Savior that’s what most of the original definition was. The first deus ex is an immersive sim primarily because of the level of interaction you had
Of course it is.
Give the modders a couple of years. I suspect we'll end up with multiple finished versions of this game
I will give a golden apple to the best modding team hoping that it will lead into multiple finished versions at the expense of lifelong friendships
From the sounds of it, both from this video and Icarus' one, there might not be enough game in this build to finish.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying its' likely going to be a lot harder than people think to turn this build into a full game.
I would gladly donate the price of the original finished game to the modder who manages to make this a stable game
@@Tyrranis They can always fill in the gaps. Even if it means taking some beats from 2011, they just have to do it right. A bit like the MK movie compared to the games. Take the broader plot, characters and important story elements, and make the rest up into a cohesive story.
Now that with a proper DNF that takes ideas from the 2011 build
@@HappyBeezerStudios The only ones capale of this In my opinion are the guys behind the mod/sequel of Duke Nukem 3D with the bike and the female version of duke.
Heads up people! The DNF First Slice by the Restoration Project is coming out on the 21st! We're in a Duke Nukem resurgence and I couldn't be happier!
AND the sidescroller build of Forever leaked too. Insanity.
@@mostverticalproductions4808What's the status on it now?
Is it done?
To everyone asking if it's done, yes. It's AWSOME!
This game was incredibly ahead of its time for a 2001/2002 era game, outright doing major things Half Life 2/Doom 3 did 2 years after. The fact it wasn’t finished is a warcrime.
I upgraded my PC probably 3-4 times in anticipation of this game. Each new trailer and reveal had me hooked. Met George and have been really good about not fabboying the guy in the decade and a half that I’ve known him. Terribly difficult. I do wish things panned out differently though. The company and series would be in a different position had there been other forms of management. Interesting find and super glad this came to light!
Still is
Thy holy crusaders of the modding world will have this finished in a few years with custom audio ... Civvie Summon the Death Wish Creater !!!!
@@rovefields2314 I doubt it'll happen, but you know what would be funny as hell? John Romero pitching in to finish the game
@@Kaarl_Mills You underestimate the modding community. There was a team that made DNF in the Build Engine, even.
I learned to deal with the fact that Duke Nukem was ruined. I wasnt ready to learn the fact that it could have been amazing and ahead of its time. Thanks a lot Civvie...
Yeah makes me sad 😭
@@michaelpecukonis5074 If it makes you guys any better, people still bully George Broussard over it to this day. This build's release kicked off a whole new era of bullying for him.
@@poisonouslead85 I'm normally very against Bullying.
_Normally_
Somehow the fact that Duke pisses from his eyeballs is so strangely fitting Civvie didn't even bother mentioning it
I would like to formally submit my vote for bringing Petty Thief back.
Seconded
Thirded and Thriced
Fourthed
Fifthed
Yes!
When the best thing to happen to your franchise in over twenty years is some disgruntled employee leaking a scrapped project.
You’ve messed up!
Funnily enough, in motorsport circles DNF stands for "Did Not Finish."
3:17 Look at where the piss is coming from on his model: even back then, the Duke Nukem Forever version of Duke always was a potty mouth.
I never thought I'd see something as disgusting as that.
@@xotl2780 indeed. Even the Postal Dude would be grossed out.
That or he predicted The Binding of Isaac.
@@DinnerForkTongue that is true. I and someone else mentioned this on another DNF 2001 video too, though a third guy initially thought we were talking about Cruelty Squad.
Other people talk shit. Duke Nukem talks piss.
What a shock, randy lied about how much Of this was done. It’s almost like his grease affects the words in his mouth and they come out too fast before he can determine if they’re true
To be fair, it makes 3d Realms look a lot better if the story is "They just couldn't get anything proper finished that we can show" vs "3d Realms scrapped this whole build and concept in order to leave something far worse for Gearbox to tape together in 2~ years".
Moving so fast, and covered with so much grease...
He could try to become...
GREASED, LIGHTNING!
@@TheMadalucard Or the story is George Broussard fucked 3D Realms hard and pushed the development too far back, ran out of funding and the greaseball that is Randy at least let them finish. I hate Randy, but DNF releasing like it did I still feel is entirely on 3D realms
@@hayato1886 on Broussard or on 3D Realms?
I'm under the impression a 2002 build was 90% complete, so this one is a tad older. Is that a misunderstanding?
This build may not have been the next Half Life like 3D Realms wanted, but it would have been remembered fondly as an era favourite (like games such as System Shock, F.E.A.R, Black etc.) Shame, really.
The thing about DNF 2011 is that Duke comes across as mean and cruel, and it reaches maximum "ehhhh" with the fate of the Twins and Duke's quip in the aftermath. And to be fair a lot of that stuff was present by the 2008 design document, but it seems to me that 3D Realms, or the people who were working there by 2008 had never played Duke 64 or Zero Hour. They had no concept of the more sympathetic Duke found in those two games -- who is still true to the spirit of Duke, but is more of an overt anti-hero, kicking ass and taking names and saving babes.
That version of Duke is what they needed to look to. Duke as a babe saver was introduced by the N64 games, and it's a genius flourish. But when you play Zero Hour and then DNF 2011 back to back, the whiplash is horrible. N64 Duke is a blowhard, narcissistic charmer. It doesn't matter why he saves the babes. His personal flaws fade away. That he saves them is what makes him on the side of the angels. DNF 2011 Duke is a selfish, cruel prick that for no apparent reason finds the suffering and death of women entertaining.
As an aside, various teams are currently working on fixing and (perhaps) finishing the game. The source code was included with the build, which is allowing a lot of progress to be made.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves Zero hour. At the beginning it also showed Duke being more intelligent than he lets on when he talks about temporal disruptions.
The only good scene of.duke 2011 was he refused Play an arcade Game about hurting babes
@gensokyo boyz 2008 the year of wokeness social media internet began
@@luichinplaystation610 ? I don't see how that has anything to do with this discussion. Duke being an out and out prick in DNF 2011 has nothing to with wokeness
I remember watching Land of the Babes and if I remember correctly, Duke had actual dialogue, not him just regurgitating one-liners over and over, but actual words that functional human beings say.
I really wish that the 2001 build was the version that we got, but George just had to be an idiot and Greasy Bastard Randy pretty much helped kill the franchise. Rest in peace Duke. You will be missed
If Randy has a soul, he'll let 3D Realms make a proper sequel to DN3D now that they're under the same parent company. It wouldnt be DNF, but it'd at least be good.
Only time will tell.
@@four-en-tee He has no soul, only *GREASE*
@@four-en-tee so have the studio that failed to finish dnf work for the company you think ruined the franchise
how does your brain work at all
You mean the 2002 build. That one was further along (like 90% or something) before the Doom 3 demo released and blew minds and processors that year.
@@Feasco They aren't really the same studio. A lot of the people at 3D Realms are now new people, and don't forget that they did Ion Fury, which was a cool game
This has to be the second most infamous Beta Leak since the 2003 HL2 Beta.
Started to feel like it was never going to happen. A leak of the 2001 "version" was Def like the holy grail of leaks. So glad it not only finally happened but we got the full source code as well. So projects like the restoration project could happen.
@@sean8102
Let's hope Randy doesn't try to fuck up Duke once again.
There's already a very dedicated group of people working on the completion of that build and they already added stuff like npc soft lock fixes, partical fixes, added music and even implemented voice acting in the first level (except for the talkshow bit) I'm confident that the passion and dedication of these people will let DNF shine in it's full 2001 glory.
thanks for that great news! :) makes me hopeful.
where can i find the work of those people? is there a youtube channel or a forum?
greetings from germany :)
There's a Discord server where the people who work on the project are and where there are people like me who just meme, interact and follow the project. A youtuber with the name Shivaxi has linked server below his DNF videos
Fans can literally do anything. A group, even a small one, of devoted people can make pipe dreams come true!
(:
Duke shall live again.
@@ForestBoyProductions
Oh, great! 😍 Can you find fans that will produce the missing seasons of "Jericho" and "Jeremiah", while also giving us this new "Farscape" series that has been promised for over a decade now?
If they can make anything possible, those would be my first wishes! 😍 But I've still got a long wishlist with many more unrealized projects waiting.
Greetings from Germany ❤️
Being able to actually play this is like finding out that Luigi was an Mario 64 or learning that the changed music in the original Sonic 3 PC port was actually from the Sonic 3 prototype.
@@stonecodfish2365 everything involved in documenting prototypes in video games originally stems from the sonic community and the Simon Wai Sonic 2 Beta so its unavoidable. tcrf, hidden palace, all lead by former and current sonic community people. hell hidden palace exists because the creator was originally hoping to one day find the Sonic 1 beta, which one prototype finally surfaced last year
Fucking crazy innit, world's been going to shit, but at least we have pretty cool videogame discoveries I guess
Well in Sonic 3's defense, Sega wasn't going to release a game with music made by a pedophile...That would have been a bad look.
What Luigi on Mario 64?
@@luichinplaystation610 The model for Luigi was in the Nintendo Megaleak from a few years back in the same directory as a ton of Mario 64 assets, all signs point to a scrapped multiplayer component.
That ending of your gameplay was fuckin beautiful, Duke falling through the vents and somehow ending up in Hollywood Holocaust.
Jesus, this just makes me sad. Imagine where the Duke Nukem franchise would be if they went forward with this version.
We might of actually got another completely different DN game in 2011 had this version been released in 2000s. We could of had a sequel/remake like we did with Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal.
But nah, we got slapping wall boobs.
Also it blows me away going through the build how creative and diverse all the different levels were and there details...such great ideas for its campaign. Like I really think this couldve been up there with Half Life 2 when it came to diverse gameplay narrative moments in a single player story. From Las Vegas...to Deserts, boats, Hoover Dam, strip clubs...mines, labs, spooky ghost town lile Ravenholm with Tremor like creatures...Area 51, EDF base, rocket base the moon an alien mothership...so wild
Its always happenned to game companies when they do outsourcing including producer.
I'm really hoping since remakes are the only games being made, that we will one day see a new Manhattan style 2d indie Duke. We just need to wait for Randy's greasy hands to drop the rights outside a bar.
Considering how dedicated and skilled modding communities can be, I definitely expect that they'll complete and polish the shit outta this.
Also, I do like how "Shades" is a pun on "Windows." Nice.
Also also, Desert Eagles actually *do fire* .50 cal rounds. .50 Action Express, to be precise. They're of course shorter than a .50 BMG
And the thing is that it actually got further in development than this. So I wonder if well ever get a more finished version
There was one... its already falling apart. Apprently the hubub is someone got into the project, started demanding tons of political changes ((the head dev was advised NOT to bring them in)) and it's already falling apart. It just can't happen nowadays, companies have brainwashed people to much into being a little army and if that doesn't work then jealousy does.
@@CrashHeadroom Political changes ?
As in, adapt it to nightmare 2020's cultural policies even if the game was made in 2001 ?
Fucking hell...
I don’t know man, Unreal Engine 1 is apparently notoriously difficult to work with, which is a major reason for why the game’s development was so difficult.
@@CrashHeadroom its back already and all the people who tried to inject political bs have been removed
Holy crap. I remember being 14 and obsessing over this game on the 3D Realms forums. I'm 37 now.
The Prey, Max Payne and DNF forums were home for me too around that age.
@@jameson32 damn me too! I always checked the 3D Realms website and forums for updates on DNF and Max Payne in the late 90s/early 2000s.
my man just felt 23 years of age in one instant
i started playin duke nukem when i was 9yo/10yo back on my old 486 :/
@@InuyashaMaster14fr
“They were good boys once, they only wanted to be good boys.” This really got me emotional.
I actually shed a tear.
Same man Same :(
Damm aliens!!!!!
fr, the k9's were probably on the military base with the time machien. Cant wait till civvie Summons the homie who made deth wish and nighmare reapers squad and some othere homies to finish this ..
Civies doing it to , just look at some of the tings he say in the vid talking about modders completing the game one day,
and look at the title of the vid , your games is coming back !!!
Da.
Seeing this build shows that 3D Realms had a big, ambitious title they were gonna release back in the 00's, but didn't because George didn't think it would good enough. You can also see all the corners that got cut. Good corners too.
it's interesting to me that 3D Realms became so obsessed with being so technically distinct from its competition when it started it's life seeing eye to eye with Doom II. I mean, they definitely put more attention to detail into the environments, and they brought their own sense of humour and charm into the mix, but for the top brass to get so up their ass about the engine they were using just seems so out of character... that said i don't really know jack shit about the management structure of 3D Realms before that point, so maybe the Build Engine Duke Nukem games were all just a fortunate series of flukes
"When will Duke Nukem Forever come out?"
George Broussard (1997-2011): When it's done.
Internet 2022: When it's leaked.
I wanted to do a dirty joke here, but I'm just gonna leave it in.
Modders 2024: DNF Ultra HD definition patch v 3.1
7:14 not sure if you’re aware, but actual Desert Eagles do actually fire 50 caliber rounds. They’re the same size, just shorter.
and the 1911 is .45, not 9mm.
.50 action express instead of .50 BMG. There’s also .50 GI for the 1911
Yeah. Also 1911 are usually .45, not 9mm, which in terms of diameter isn't too far from .50 cal.
.50 action express. It’s mostly a novelty caliber
the cartridge is refered to as .50 Action express or .50 AE for short. the caliber just dictates the diameter of the projectile. when most people hear 50 caliber they usually think of .50 BMG which you would never fit in an autoloading pistol. my preferred 50 caliber round though is S&W .500 magnum. ya know. for when there's an intruder. hiding behind the refrigerator. at your neighbors house.
There is an alternate timeline where DNF is a critically acclaimed masterpiece released in like 2012-15.
In 2002 you mean, it would've been an absolute meme surpassing that of Half-Life 3's release date if it was released in '12.
26:02
Literally lost power in my house when this happened. Immersive sim indeed.
Zuum!!! lol that happened to me the other day. power went out. it startles you and for a few seconds you feel like you died or something coz everything just goes silent and dark hahaha
I love that when you shoot the prospector, his glasses and hat stay in place, hovering in the air like it's a Looney Tunes cartoon. I know it's probably a bug but it's funny AF and should be a feature.
I'm glad this build was finally leaked and a team has decided to properly finish it so that we can finally get the DNF we deserved. It's just a shame that it took so long to happen.
Hearing Civvie talk so highly about this version of DNF warms my heart, but kills my soul knowing this version was taken away from us. This would've been amazing. History defining.
Lmao nah the market was big different in 2001. It would have been a hit but hardly a landmark.
@@chavesa5 This is pretty much up par with the biggest game in that time. It would be a success if this was complete. Kinda sad, but it's done. Hopefully someone can finish this. The end was really hyping. Wish there was more, it really look good.
@@aleigor450 yes I'm old too I was there in 2001. I don't know of many kids who were into Duke. It would have been a hit but not exactly taking the genre anywhere. Remember Halo hit that year. Counter Strike was huge. That was the real hotness.
@@chavesa5 I was 11 that year! I was hyped for DNF and this demo is just like I was imagining it. It could of been the game that make Duke Nukem really mainstream, but maybe not also. And yeah, I remember Halo all too well, the best console shooter at the time, with Perfect Dark
@Merc Kitsuné We have the technology
There's an unmatched feeling of dread and horror that comes from playing unfinished games like this and the Half-Life 2 beta maps in the dark in the middle of the night
playing beta versions, and playing outright unreleased games are different, but yes. on one hand, the HL2 beta feels weird and eerie is because you've grown attached to retail HL2 so much that this is a completely new experience where the base feels familiar, but the shell surrounding it is very unstable, worked around and rough. it's a really majestic feeling
dont call gabe at night
is that… AN UNFINISHED BETA??? AAAAH! I’M GOING INSANE
Manwich from HL2 Beta was basically a Prototype Captain Dillon.
Unmatched dread and horror cmon bruh 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like this build getting leaked and being playable is the closest thing to a catharsis we can get in these days. Or just finally emptying our big blue balls.
Let 'em rip, Chris
Well that and the fact Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 is getting characters modded in now.
Now all we need is hl3
Chris my balls are now shriveled. They feel good.
@@RichterTheRat Indeed. Also I really wasn’t expecting a Mahvel comment here so seeing this made me extra happy.
"You can use the level select to go to any level that's here"
Well... Not exactly. Lots of them are selectable in there, but there's a few *hundred* map files you can load using the console. Including all of the maps originally used for the 2001 trailer (in various states of functionality) and a ton of really neat development leftovers, cool maps like one where you're inside a CD drive, lots of test maps and multiplayer maps. Cool shit.
To think all of this bizarre stuff would have been locked away forever with no one knowing of it...
how can you load maps, i mean with which command
What's the cd drive map called?
@@Zontar82 The command is just map and then the mapname.
10:40 that's one of the funniest gags I've ever seen in a game like this.
Shows what happens when you don't have a greasy, sleazy, try-hard Melvin writing your comedy bits.
It's amazing how much content was completed, and then scrapped in the years that followed. They had a huge gem, years before Far Cry, Doom 3, and Half-Life 2, and didn't know it. Somewhere out there is also a mid to late 90's Quake-engined incomplete Duke Nukem Forever, that would be great to see as well.
The Quake 2 version never made it far: the E3 1997 trailer was essentially all they had and it was all stuff made for the event. The Quake 1 screenshots that appeared earlier were mock ups made while 3D Realms was waiting for id to deliver the final code of the Quake 2 engine.
One of my favorite parts of this leak is that the released version now has to be called "DNF 2011"
That's power.
The Cursed Randy version.
The Sonic 06 curse.
Duke hedonistic attitude in 3D was tolerable not because it was "fair for its day" but because it felt like he would fight to the death against aliens to keep with that lifestyle, and I can respect that mindset
In Forever it feels like he is just a manchildren, a shallow parody of himself, ironic because he is supposed to be a parody himself
Part of me wishes this had never seen the light of day. The fact that a leaked beta from 20 years ago is miles ahead of what we finally got is depressing.
Isn't that everything Randy touches? Colonial Marines didn't even have that long to stew before he served something undercooked and looked nothing like what was on the menu.
Damn the game even had a fast use riot shield before Urban Chaos: Riot Response would use that idea (and do it super well).
I also appreciate the Snatch reference when talking about the Desert Eagle.
Mod the final release of DNF with a simple change to the pistol skin: "Replica"
That was one great game! I'm so happy that some people still remember that.
The placeholder TTS voices are mainly AT&T voices. I heard "Crystal" as the receptionist in the "It Is Happening Again" part. That same voice can be found in the janky CyberSkunk Pictures game engine demos.
This game really had so much potential, a shame it turned out how it did 😔
Also of course Duke finds a way to be relevant again with something that is immediately dated
This build reminds me of "No one lives forever" Like this not quite IS game. But still with lots of interactivity. No one lives forever video when civvi?
Oh hell yes i'd love that! I think higher difficulties affect stealth though, be warned. Just do Normal
Im glad Civvie's kept track of the number of Nukes he's fired after all these years
it's been like... 3-4 years
I LIKE NUKULAR WEAPONS
@@gae_wead_dad_6914 an eternity in internet time
It’s important to keep track of inventory.
He's in a prison compound in an unknown location for the rest of his life. What else is he supposed to do
Everyone blames Randy, but I blame George for the most part. Randy may have fucked up future games in the franchise getting made, but George was the one who royally fucked up the entire games development
I'm still blocked by George on Twitter because I made a joke on an unrelated tweet about how embarrassing it was that he had to get Randy Pitchford of all people to finish his game.
Worth it. I'm still sad about what could have been, and I'm not even a massive Duke fan.
Nein. George is to blame for not delivering on DN:F, yes. But Randy is to blame for the DN:F version that we ended up getting and is STILL to blame for not allowing Duke Nukem content to be made, because of his pettiness. Let's not pretend that Randy is innocent of anything and that he doesn't deserve all the hate and scorn he gets as he ruined several franchises; remember Aliens Colonial Marines? For example.
Let's all just agree that every person who picked up this ball after 2001 just dropped it and dropped it until the poor ball somehow got brain damaged, even though it doesn't have a brain (being a ball).
@@DarkOmegaMK2 he didn't sat Randy was blameless. Just that George holds most of the blame for it getting that bad.
@@DarkOmegaMK2 It is thanks to Randy that we even got a DNF game at all. The project was a wreck when Randy approached it, but they made up a deal and a small team of people of the then fired 3d realms team, now Triptych games, worked intensely from home for about half a year to gather up and put together what they had as best as possible before they transferred the files and the rights to Gearbox to finish it up. So if you hate Randy for giving us DNF then maybe you should hate Triptych for providing him with the source material. I haven't played it myself, I'm waiting for a steam sale, but on the whole a lot of people think it's at least an okay game, if not decent, even if it's not up to our 2001 expectations or without flaws. Even LGR liked it and I felt that his review was very sincere and fair.
Strangely, the early version of the Randy version of Duke Forever featured the Shades Operating System. Decided to look up the footage of shown on the Jace Hall show and there it was, back when that version looked fun. That old version even allowed you to hold every weapon in the game.
I think you could also still see the jet pack in use in single player still in that footage as well. Something you never get in the released version. So much was cut.
It's really interesting how much Duke Nukem: Zero Hour audio content exists in this build. Many EDf lines like "Cocked, locked and ready to rock, Duke!" for example.
Zero Hour was built with pieces of DNF I heard
Oh, that makes more sense than "Cockblocked and ready to rock!" as I heard it while I was playing the beta lmao
I've never even played Duke Nukem and I still share in your pain. This really looks like it could have been dope as hell
Play Duke 3D immediately
@@Rizimar Effort innit
After seeing what others have managed with the old RE games,
this is one endeavour I'd love to see brought to fruition in some format.
RE 1.5 was such an interesting insight into the basis for how RE2 was eventually made
Whoever did this, thank you for the early birthday gift. I hope that we'll get another Duke Nukem game someday.
As for this build, I say "let the fans and modders have their fun." Whatever they do, please god give him some sunglasses.
I've been keeping track on this and I'm praying we get a good ass mod led full game release
The game even came with its complete source code, so anything is possible now with a dedicated modder team.
That is gonna be godly.
10:40 I know Civvie went off about how smooth and great the animations were earlier but it didn't click for me until seeing that arm movement like.. that's so amazing for 2001
It's motion capture, this game also had some test mocap animations that you can access
@@mqdze9160 Oh that's neat. Thanks for the heads up
16:26 - I've just realized - the lens flares here are flipbooks. Each lens flare is not a static image, but an atlas of frames and the flare's position on screen determines which frame of the animation is used. That's a pretty cool idea, I've never seen something like this done before!
It is odd how the flare sprite as it were appears behind the motorbike's first person model. Also a bit too large for a level going past many lights on a road in that space of time, quite strobe-like.
holy fuck, that's super smart and it would save TONS of memory
theres some amazing particle work throughout actually, the soft particle system was rlly impressive
@@AlexCarby I think they were so proud of it that they have totally overdone it :D
Source engine also has that capability.
I love the fact that the sewer count is slowly deteriorating
Skeleton sewer count, when civvie
11:42 Randy really did hurt Civvie with DNF
Keep in mind there's supposedly a way way more finished build of this and this gives me hope of us one day finding that build. With this and TF2 devs actually responding, 2022 really feels like an alternative universe.
They responded with a non-response. That's what they always do.
Way more finished build for real?
@gensokyo boyz I just watched footages of the 2003 build and it looks like it was the one where they switched to DOOM 3 engine with stencil shadows (+bump mapping?).
Uh, Duke was pissing out of his mouth. What, did he graft a deer antler to his groin?
Also, the Riot Shield is something I feel like we need more of in shooters. After all, in classic boomshoot you're mostly dodging projectiles, but in a game with hitscanners you can't do that, so naturally it'd make sense to have blocking as a response to what you can't dodge, rather than break the flow by having regenerating health as a crutch.
Maybe attach shields to the gun itself, like Doom Eternal's Chaingun Energy Shield
Holy shit is that an AQUA TEEN reference
@@GreenEyedDazzler Too right you. Admittedly, most of my Aqua Team memories are of Doctor Weird's moments.
*Steve:* "Gentlemen! Fill me with barbecue sauce because I'm dumb as hell!"
*Randy:* "...yeah ok. Sounds like a fun magic trick."
@@fojisan2398 On the one hand I can see how that would work. But on the other hand, a dedicated block button a'la Ultrakill would make blocking flow better into the gameplay loop.
After all, while DUSK technically has a block button, it's only really a block button when you've got a melee weapon equipped, so that's an extra step you have to take that you're probably not going to take in the heat of the moment.
That said, it wouldn't have to be the right mouse button, since that'd make blocking take up precious alt-fire capabilities like how ADS does in other shooters. Maybe have it default to R or F or C, or maybe \ or Shift since they're closer to the pinky when you're in WASD configuration.
11:09 Hey, Civvie? That was a very specific example. Do you need to talk about something? I'm always here for you. #FreeCivvie
I'm still so enthused by all this. You forgot to mention something extremely important though- this leak includes the source code, meaning people are perfectly able to finish it in proper condition.
This game is literally the epitome of "If you want something done right, you'll have to do it yourself" to get the game into an ACTUAL playable state.
Fr Homie !!! -- Civvie Summon the death wish super Ninja and your fans at Nightmare Reaper lets bring a hero back from the dead.. !!!!
Video was mind blowing out of noware.. Thanks Civvie for getting footage with the August hair, So merciful, A honorable viewing.... when Iv been waiting for this unfinished game 20 years and its still sooo sooo fucking good if fixed and finished.. i dont know how to feel....
Can some modder add in a broken duke troll looking version of randy pitchford u have to kick to death and bad moulth periodicly like the mickys at the land of the babes ????
Uhh Civvie ??? fingers crossed
Kill the randy then have civvies new sewer effect play
Kill the randy sprite with mighty foot then loot him for quest item grease
THIS LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE GOT! OMG
When he said the RPG had a nuke mode, I crossed all my fingers for a Lo Wang Nuke count. Civvie always delivers it :)
Just like Nagasaki.
Me too!
Just like Chinese new year
@@Duckingheights I like nukular weapons.
@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 Just like Hiroshima.
Those particles and explosions. Damn.
This is a little history moment. Maybe Duke get some positive recognition again. And Im glad that Civvie finally scratch that itch.
11:32. "And she pepper sprays you" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh man... Thanks. I needed that.
I don’t agree with what seems to be the consensus that Yahtzee’s script for a Duke Nukem revival should be used.
Yahtzee’s script just assume’s that no one in the modern world could take Duke seriously.
No, f*ck that. It’s the era of the throwback shooters! It’s prime time for Duke to come back! Now yes, Yahtzee’s script is certainly a funny parody of the character, but I wouldn’t want it to actually be the modern Duke Nukem, he’s a badass, and the DOOM Slayer just got put into hibernation, we’ve got no other unapologetically badass characters right now, neither in movies or video games.
Here’s my pitch: If Duke Nukem 3D was a homage to 80s and 90s action movies, make a modern Duke be a parody of modern action movies, that are pumped out on an assembly line and have no artistic merit.
“A whole team of hero’s? I only need ONE me, baby!”
“”The 90s are over”, huh? Well, it’s the era of the throwback and reminiscing, and in a few minutes, I’m gonna reminisce about how badly I’m about to kick your ass.”
“I don’t need no time travel, to kick your ass twice!”
“I don’t need the power of six stupid god stones, I was born with two of ‘em, and I’m gonna make sure you know what they taste like!”
“What? Did you expect a middle aged man with daddy issues? Well, I’m about to be *your* daddy, and your ass not being kicked is an issue for me.”
In fact, I would go as far as to say that Duke Nukem does NOT need to change for the modern era. Keep Duke *exactly* the same, but occasionally throw a male body builder into the crowd of adoring Duke fans, and have Duke treat him no differently to the rest of the babes.
You could also try what DNF failed at, and have a female side kick, who Duke never once flirts with, and treats as a complete equal. Maybe make her a lesbian to not break the illusion that any straight woman or gay man would never turn down the Duke.
It’s really easy to make Duke Nukem work, especially now, with DOOM and Shadow Warrior both getting new games (although apparently people aren’t too fond of the latest Shadow Warrior), and a theorized Quake reboot on the way.
Right now is the best possible time for Duke to make his triumphant return. But he won’t, because the one thing that won’t fall out of Randy’s greasy palms, is the rights to IP’s he plans to do nothing with.
fucking THIS. treating duke as if hes a joke and doesnt matter anymore goes against the very nature of the character and why people love him. Treating him like hes outdated effectively neuters him. Its like if you made doomguy a generic 7th gen marine man instead of an unstoppable force of nature. It just does not work with the character.
I'd say, take the "never explain, never complain" route and you can't go far off
@@catb0mb Sure, and sorry, Duke needs to fuck Bombshell, no lesbian, no BS and no gay man in the crowd. It starts with little things like that and at the end of the day the game will be ruined. Don't do politics and don't deal with morals at all with Nukem, Duke should make fun of the world and aliens and maybe people for movie references but the game doesn't need to make fun of him. Especially, don't try to appeal to people that won't be playing the game anyway.
I looked at Turbo Overkill lately and the night, stripclub, greasy feel is there, so it can definitely be done well and be spectacular. Put great gameplay on top, and good jokes, lots of secrets. The recipe is there and doesn't get old. Put strippers everywhere yeah but let them in the background.
Duke is a legend because he's an action machine, and that part belongs to you, the player, to make it work. The day you ace the game everything is supposed to fit and makes sense. And the palyer's goal is to ace the game, so make it fun, difficult, spectacular, challenging, and smart, with lots of hidden things, references, hidden passages and clever mechanics.
To go further, I'd be impressed with a really cheap mechanic where the difficulty mode and the way you play the game change the NPC dialogue. It would be less ego trip that way but more you the player being in Duke's boots and being responsible for his "legend". So Duke would not be cheesy, you'd deserve it. If you play easy mode, take an hour to complete a level, die ten times and can't shoot, the game would make the NPC laugh at you. If you 100% speedrun the game in max difficulty they should be in awe. That'd be a nice throwback at the "ego" mechanic, be a way to take Duke more respectfully, and if you're a complete joke of a player, then Duke wouldn't be cheesy he'd just suck. And you could have multiple endings... Not a power fantasy, just feedback, with the goal of making Duke as awesome as he's supposed to be.
Same thing with his cheesy dialogue : you'd deserve it, it'd be for simple stuff in-game like triple kills, wiping an encounter in no time, consecutive headshot kills etc. And if you suck at the game Duke starts complaining like a bitch xD
Yathzee is a worthless tallentless hack
Was not aware people wanted him involved
Is he the teollish mod dev that got kicked out?
Damn, that analysis of Duke Nukem as a character was really cool, never looked at it that way
This just puts another coffin into the current state of videogames. All of these things in a game from 2001. A far cry from better times, back when devs actually had creative freedom and suits and TBBT hadn't ruined the industry.
tbbt?
@@rajasnagpurkar the big bang theory. It started on 2007 and it brought "nerd culture" into the mainstream and suits started to realize how profitable this industry is.
@@Maartwo
Oh, that makes sense.
Well, video game quality went to shit somewhere around 2018 when people stopped reaching deadlines.
There's still plenty of great gems coming out, there's things like Kirby, God Of War, Elden Ring, Deltarune, Omori, TBOI, Dead Estate, Dead Cells, Splatoon, Resident Evil, Astral Chain, Mad Rat Dead, Skullgirls, Ultrakill, etc.
It's the sheer appalling horror of just how far the boundaries of scumminess can be pushed with sewage like CyberPunk, Fallout, Balan, Babylon's Fall, Poppys Playtime, Fifa, Anthem, and etc, where companies keep finding ways to dig deeper and deeper to break new lows in greed.
The problem isn't a lack of great games with love and passion poured into them, it's the degree to which scummy devs are allowed to push the limits of how much they can get away with.
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Rws appears to be active, they didnt reach the deadline for postal4 but they are trying.
Indie games are also existing.
It's so amazing how much is DONE. Like, there is so much ready for release. That many guns and enemies for what is basically a tech demo? Animations and detail seemingly finished? How long was this particular version being cooked before it was tossed out?
there's also a 2002 version which is even more complete to our knowledge, if you heard that the game was "90% complete", then yes, the 2002 beta was that one
This version is dated October 2001 and probably started development when 3D Realms got access to Unreal. The "80-90% complete" build was dated December 2002 while Doom 3 was shown off at E3 2003. Doom 3's stencil shadows was what doomed this version of the game, so we can assume this version was in development from around 1999 to spring 2003, when George decided to delay the game to implement the shadows, which fucked everything.
@@OtakumanuTo be fair, George didn't have time-traveling tech wizard John Carmack working for him.
@@NerfPlayeR135 True...
The scripts, the action... It all has so much personality😭😭
Would've been a BANGER
this, what's in here is already much more itneresting than all of dnf
And it will!
Just wait a year or two ;-)
Bro this is big for the gaming industry. This goes to show had of George finished this by idk 2003 Duke wouldn't of died a tragic death. I would of played Duke 2003 still to this day and new iterations of Duke.
This is proof graphics shouldn't be the selling point of your game. Graphics normally take up 70% of your game leaving you with 30% for the rest of the game.
Elden ring also proved this by releasing a finished game with pretty decent graphics. They're not mw2019 or tarkov levels of beautiful but the game looks absolutely beautiful.
This is the biggest "What if?" moment in gaming to me. What could of this have been? Even more curious to me is if the claims that this build continued on for another year of development before it was restarted are true. If so, I want to know how THAT version looks!!!
You have made grammar sad.
Apparently the 90% build still exists. I just hope that it gets released.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about Dr. Proton's sorta finished boss fight
Hell, there's a few more levels that got patched in not too long ago
Watching it again now. I honestly think I've watched your whole catalogue three or four times, and it just never gets old. You single handedly revamped my whole passion for older FPS games, and retro games in general to be honest. Thanks cause it's been a ride playing these new "Oldschool" titles. I'm playing through "Hedon" now. ROTT is next.
The HUD being inside Duke's sunglasses was actually first implemented in Duke Nukem: Land of the Babes and yes, I DO have a guilty pleasure for the DN PS1 games, I'll gladly die on the cross for that opinion, those games were fun!
Some of us enjoyed DN64, too.
@@predcon1 DN64 was my introduction to Duke Nukem, me and my sis played through the campaign in co-op.
Good thing it was censored because then it would of been more awkward otherwise.
@@SynthLizard8 I didn't even know there was co-op. In fact I can't think of _any_ FPS or TPS game on the 64 with a co-op mode. Plenty with MP deathmatches and stuff. My sister and brothers loved the MP in Turok 2 and BattleTanx
The only I haven't grown fond of with the ps1 games are the controls, otherwise those games were a blast.
@@solidsnake8008 Fortunately I was well versed with Tomb Raider 2 at that point, played through it several times so, the controls weren't that big of a hurdle for me.