I guess it would much like a marriage maybe worse as they are always together . It surely is a lost blessing as they were so amazing together . I've listen to the solo music of both and although great music it doesn't have anywhere near the same feel
@@njcranes Joy is happily married to her husband and has 2 wonderful kiddos, unless you're talking about John secretly wanting Joy then that's a possibility.
+Fer Coppe they cancelled a tour back in 2014 due to "internal discord and irreconcilable differences of ambition," Joy spoke about it here: www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/joy-williams-interview-singer-songwriter-and-former-member-of-the-civil-wars-on-pouring-break-ups-10351217.html but basically John Paul wanted to spend more time with his family and they'd been drifting for a long time
+Chapterhouse86 I've always loved this for the profound difference and yet the perfect symbiosis of their performances. That sounds rather pompous. I suppose I mean it works because there's a perfect sexual and musical union between them, just adorable, but it's tempered by the bitter edge of the lyrics. The performance on Garrison Keillor is even better :)
People talk about Johnny Cash and June Carter, and I always liked Gram Parsons/EmmyLou Harris even better...till these two came along. They just...*FIT* each other, two very good voices that complement each other in a way that's beyond perfect. They are also kind of equally attractive, and ADULTS, which is rare. Put it all together and you'd have to be a musical nihilist or a hipster to not be electrified by the wonderful singing. (An effect they had on most of the audiences you see in their live performances.)
I still keep coming back to this performance year after year. It's just stunning. The perfectly-judged harmonies, nuances, phrasing...just so breathtakingly beautiful.
Each of their voices are perfect, and the two of them together is purely magical. Their harmonies are so in sync. It's like they were born to sing together.
So sad that a few years after this was recorded this was the final song they ever sang together onstage in London at their final concert. They didn’t look at each other once during that final performance and at the end Joy had tears rolling down her face. Where did it all go so wrong? Beautiful music, never to be recreated.
There's some underlying love shit going on there...probably broke up cause it was forbidden, since they were both married...you can see it in how they perform...the chemistry is leaking off the screen
This is exactly how I feel about them not being together as the most amazing duo to ever grace this planet. I want to hate them because I will never get the chance to stand in a small venue and let them carry me to every place in my heart with their music... But I "always will" love them because they bring out emotion in me with every song they've written and you can't say that about music you hear nowadays.
There's a bond there that may be broken now, but will always be there. The chemistry between them as individuals I can only imagine was as intense as their musical bond. Ugh, it sucks so much knowing I won't ever hear these harmonies and soulful voices together again on a new record.
These two had something special. Truly special. Its so sad that the world is robbed of those gifts together. You know it when you see and hear it. And these two had it. I wish they would get back together.
They're music is so unlike the more popular singers... you can clearly hear the voices of JPW and JW in a live concert, whereas, when Selena Gomez (as an example), you have to strain your ears to hear the voice over all the instruments. Poison & Wine is such a simple and powerful piece.
Whether they actually had an affair or not, there is undoubtedly a strong connection between the two of them. This performance itself gives a vibe that there may be a "forbidden love" message portrayed in this song. The way that they seem to get lost in each others eyes while singing each and every line is a great example of how they truly feel for each other. My conclusion may be far-fetched, but that's how it comes across from my point of view. Just my two cents.
Someone said the song is about their spouse's, that they had no choice but to always love them, I thought that could be the case! But we will never know thanks to JPW
@@stardustgirl2904 This is an interesting interpretation but aside from the chorus, the rest of the lyrics point to a toxic relationship ("your mouth is poison", "your hands can bruise", etc). I personally believe that they came up with this song quite randomly, but like much of their music, it was charged with foreshadowing. Their beautiful, unique, mystical musical bond turned into something so painful that they couldn't even look at each other when they performed this very same song in their last concert in London. Today, 7 years later, they are still healing from this split... Not on speaking terms... So they truly 'don't love each other but they always will'.
@@iamsultana Very well put. At this point it seems fair to say that these two will never work together again. Even the sudden breakup of Joy's marriage apparently did not bring about any degree of reconciliation, and she remarried a few months ago. She and John did recently make their fans happy by agreeing to help Taylor Swift re-record their 2011 collaboration, "Safe and Sound." But from what I heard they recorded their vocal tracks separately and did not meet. The three of them still sound beautiful together. It's touching that Taylor's later albums "Evermore" and "Folklore" really seem to reflect John and Joy's musical influence. I think John's 2016 song "The Once And Future Queen" was about Joy. "If I thought I was good for you, if I thought this could work I'd reach a little higher and pull you back to earth But the man you're really looking for, the one in all your dreams That someone won't be me And that's okay You never really loved me anyway Not enough to meet me half the way Oh love is something you can only take..." Someone who knew them finally spilled the beans a while back, saying basically that they were in love but not actually lovers for a surprisingly long time. When they finally gave in, it was too late. Then they could not go back, but Joy would not move forward with him. Apparently she hoped they could just keep on working together as if nothing had happened, but obviously everything was ruined at that point. John swallowed his anguish and left, and that was that. He's still with his wife and seems much happier these days. I saw him live in CA right before the pandemic and he was absolutely wonderful. He did a couple of CW songs, too. Around the same time, Joy's hubby unceremoniously dumped her, forcing her to literally cancel a whole tour at the last moment. He now posts regular adoring PDA shots of him and his second wife (a more glam version of Joy) all over his social media. I have no idea what the backstory really is there, but yikes. I hope Joy will be able to perform live again at some point. She's a radio host nowadays.
This is REAL music. It really disgusts me that people today are obsessed with music that only speaks of sex and twerking etc, why The Civil Wars are not world famous really saddens me. I know that they are hiatus currently but they are still create the most beautiful music I've heard in a long time. I just really, really wish more people knew and loved them because they and their music deserve it more then anything.
@Percy BlackAdder --- Check out @JohnPaulWhite - He's on Tour with his 3rd release... I've seen him twice in the last couple of years... He just gets better & better with time... like Scotch or Bourbon 😉
For anyone who wants to play this on guitar the way John Paul does, here's how :) - Standard Tuning - Capo 2nd Fret - - Structure Of The Song - Verse 1, Chorus 1, Verse 2, Chorus 2, Outro - Chords Needed - B (Variation) - 7x9800 C# (Variation) - 9x9800 E (Variation) - 079900 - Chord Progression Repeated Through ENTIRE Song - B, C#, E, E - Verse 1 & Chorus 1 Strum Patterns - B & C# - ↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓ (Palm Muted) E - ↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓ (Palm Muted) - Verse 2 & Chorus 2 Strum Pattern - All Chords - ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓ - Outro Strum Pattern - All Chords - ↓ ↓ ↓ Hope this helps you out! If you get stuck or need a little extra help, I just posted a video lesson for this on my channel :)
I watch this video from time to time, and the ending never fails to give me chills. The musical chemistry between these two is incredible. I love them so much!
Do you ever think about what it would have been like if they never got together in the first place? Be thankful for this and everything they did together. Life happens.....nothing guaranteed...
Beautiful! 4 instruments......guitar, piano and their 2 voices. This song is only 3 chords and quietly haunting yet so symbolic of married couples in this day and age. I am learning/playing/singing this as a duet with a band mate. Male/female harmonies have been in short order lately, thanks for bringing the lovely sound of the two sexes back!
I've been watching Dave since I was a little kid. And I've got to say, his show has introduced me to the best artists. Thanks Civil Wars, and thank-you Dave
Saw them in Leeds. England when they first came on the scene. Phenomenal harmonies. Probably a little too in tune with each other for their respective partners I feel
@Caboosetm88 They probly let Madonna take her time. Right? But making it to Letterman is still huge for a lesser known talent. This version was beautiful to me. I enjoyed it. :)
So. Let me explain. Joy had her husband, and John had his wife. On their last year touring together as The Civil Wars, Joy was pregnant, and, its quite likely that its John's child, but, they weren't going to let their marriages fall appart so they disbanded. The "official" story is that they had irreconcilable differences so they disbanded. They never explained what caused the "irreconcilable difference", but you know what sure as shit can ruin a relationship? A baby. Oh yeah, and being married to other people while you and your singing partner tour the world together. Lets be honest though. If you were John, you wouldn't want to get with Joy? If you were Joy, you wouldn't want to get with John? They were perfect for eachother, except that they were already marrier to other people when they met. Right place, wrong time.
I read somewhere that it was her husband that did not want them to sing together anymore. I think he was uncomfortable with it. I dont if its true, but would make more sense. The husband saw the connection they shared and was jealous.
Not true, her husband was their manager and she actually wanted to continue because they were really successful. It's him who broke the deal, but I don't know the details. It might have been an ego thing, in addition to the fact that it was quite embarrassing for them to be always asked if they were a couple when they were in fact happily married to other people and having kids.
Yeah, "embarrassment" doesn't really justify throwing over an uptrending, Grammy-winning, Gold Record, rabid fanbase musical career. To bail on that after they were finding so much greater success than either had enjoyed? Something more than embarrassment was at play. Something deeper, more tragic, and...I can't help it...fascinating, somehow. By most accounts, John Paul White prefers the level of success that has "crowds" of a size you can go out and talk to any member that wants to talk to you. You know, the kind of talented performer who just never get signed up for a hype machine approach, and whose fans kind of feel a little cooler for knowing about them...as opposed to being a fan of Taylor Swift/Beyonce/Kanye/whoever. Most performers on that level are desperately striving to get bigger, I think JPW likes it more modest. Don't know what he'd do if any of his music took off and made him a megastar overnight...probly have to leave this sweet ol' world altogether. Anyway, with five dates to go on their European tour, they had a 'disagreement' (about the future of the act? probably.), and by 'disagreement', I mean horrific fight that led to JP quitting the band on the spot. Though they did deliver on the London date, which performance is indescribably painful. By the end, Joy is just broken. All of this...the arc to the top of the profession, the worship of a growing fan base, the money...all just gone. And then HE wouldn't talk to HER, or talk about it to anyone. Weird. Even if professional plans were the precipitating matter, the subsequent reactions indicate something much more intense and personal at play. Professional matters can be worked out. This was a bitter break, a cathartic confrontation, possibly the airing of previously suppressed thoughts, feelings, actions. See why even an anti-TMZ type such as myself finds this more interesting than "Jen Stunned by Brads' Message to Angelina!"?? Man, that was long-winded. *sigh*
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Please for the sake of humanity get the hell back together.
I wish
+Ashley Fitz we all do dont we ?
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I guess none of you guys have ever been so in love with someone but couldn't ever be together. Wrong place, wrong time.
I guess it would much like a marriage maybe worse as they are always together . It surely is a lost blessing as they were so amazing together . I've listen to the solo music of both and although great music it doesn't have anywhere near the same feel
@@njcranes Joy is happily married to her husband and has 2 wonderful kiddos, unless you're talking about John secretly wanting Joy then that's a possibility.
I cant remember hearing a more perfect balance of the male/female harmony. Its simply beautiful. Too bad they no longer play together. Sigh.
how come?
+Fer Coppe they cancelled a tour back in 2014 due to "internal discord and irreconcilable differences of ambition," Joy spoke about it here: www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/joy-williams-interview-singer-songwriter-and-former-member-of-the-civil-wars-on-pouring-break-ups-10351217.html but basically John Paul wanted to spend more time with his family and they'd been drifting for a long time
What a pitty... :(
+Chapterhouse86 I've always loved this for the profound difference and yet the perfect symbiosis of their performances. That sounds rather pompous. I suppose I mean it works because there's a perfect sexual and musical union between them, just adorable, but it's tempered by the bitter edge of the lyrics. The performance on Garrison Keillor is even better :)
People talk about Johnny Cash and June Carter, and I always liked Gram Parsons/EmmyLou Harris even better...till these two came along. They just...*FIT* each other, two very good voices that complement each other in a way that's beyond perfect. They are also kind of equally attractive, and ADULTS, which is rare. Put it all together and you'd have to be a musical nihilist or a hipster to not be electrified by the wonderful singing. (An effect they had on most of the audiences you see in their live performances.)
ill never understand how their voices perfectly become one... its insane
Cuz they are soulmates and meant to sing together....
I listen to their solo work and find myself wishing for the other half. Years later and I still miss them 😭😭
living life, like lovers bodies intertwined , their voices merged together and became one. Listening just now...
“You think your dream’s the same as mine”
A lyric that gets sadder the more you think about it!! 😢
The whole song gets sadder every time I listen to it. The one that get me is "I don't love you but I always will"
The greatest, most in sync live performance duet in HISTORY!
I still keep coming back to this performance year after year. It's just stunning. The perfectly-judged harmonies, nuances, phrasing...just so breathtakingly beautiful.
same here... see above comment ;D ;D
Each of their voices are perfect, and the two of them together is purely magical. Their harmonies are so in sync. It's like they were born to sing together.
So sad that a few years after this was recorded this was the final song they ever sang together onstage in London at their final concert. They didn’t look at each other once during that final performance and at the end Joy had tears rolling down her face. Where did it all go so wrong? Beautiful music, never to be recreated.
Were you there?
@@DavidmGoetz This is their last performance: th-cam.com/video/dZ-qvP_f78w/w-d-xo.html
Their last performance was less than a year later :(
@@DavidmGoetz yes. I was at the Roundhouse.
There's some underlying love shit going on there...probably broke up cause it was forbidden, since they were both married...you can see it in how they perform...the chemistry is leaking off the screen
This is exactly how I feel about them not being together as the most amazing duo to ever grace this planet. I want to hate them because I will never get the chance to stand in a small venue and let them carry me to every place in my heart with their music... But I "always will" love them because they bring out emotion in me with every song they've written and you can't say that about music you hear nowadays.
Too bad they couldn't get their shit together....born to sing together.
One of the best songs of all time!
There's a bond there that may be broken now, but will always be there. The chemistry between them as individuals I can only imagine was as intense as their musical bond. Ugh, it sucks so much knowing I won't ever hear these harmonies and soulful voices together again on a new record.
Never say never. They are both alive and well, and they might find each other again.
Their music is the definition of beautiful.
This song is just pure fking magic!!
These two had something special. Truly special. Its so sad that the world is robbed of those gifts together. You know it when you see and hear it. And these two had it. I wish they would get back together.
I agree.
They're music is so unlike the more popular singers... you can clearly hear the voices of JPW and JW in a live concert, whereas, when Selena Gomez (as an example), you have to strain your ears to hear the voice over all the instruments. Poison & Wine is such a simple and powerful piece.
U6uo
Imagine these two playing the leads in the glen hansard musical "once" together!
Nick Damato I was thinking about them singing falling slowly together
Please put us out of our misery, and get back together! Your music is heaven on earth
Time is moments passing. This is a moment when you pause and hear something good.
i know right - pretty sure the word eargasm was born when this happened
This is just devastatingly beautiful. What a fabulous duo they were.
I don't have much but I'll gladly give it to you both if you'll just make music together again. The world is a better place when you sing together.
Whether they actually had an affair or not, there is undoubtedly a strong connection between the two of them. This performance itself gives a vibe that there may be a "forbidden love" message portrayed in this song. The way that they seem to get lost in each others eyes while singing each and every line is a great example of how they truly feel for each other. My conclusion may be far-fetched, but that's how it comes across from my point of view. Just my two cents.
Someone said the song is about their spouse's, that they had no choice but to always love them, I thought that could be the case! But we will never know thanks to JPW
@@stardustgirl2904 This is an interesting interpretation but aside from the chorus, the rest of the lyrics point to a toxic relationship ("your mouth is poison", "your hands can bruise", etc). I personally believe that they came up with this song quite randomly, but like much of their music, it was charged with foreshadowing. Their beautiful, unique, mystical musical bond turned into something so painful that they couldn't even look at each other when they performed this very same song in their last concert in London. Today, 7 years later, they are still healing from this split... Not on speaking terms... So they truly 'don't love each other but they always will'.
You were right, of course. I think the years have made that clear.
@@iamsultana Very well put. At this point it seems fair to say that these two will never work together again. Even the sudden breakup of Joy's marriage apparently did not bring about any degree of reconciliation, and she remarried a few months ago. She and John did recently make their fans happy by agreeing to help Taylor Swift re-record their 2011 collaboration, "Safe and Sound." But from what I heard they recorded their vocal tracks separately and did not meet. The three of them still sound beautiful together. It's touching that Taylor's later albums "Evermore" and "Folklore" really seem to reflect John and Joy's musical influence.
I think John's 2016 song "The Once And Future Queen" was about Joy.
"If I thought I was good for you, if I thought this could work
I'd reach a little higher and pull you back to earth
But the man you're really looking for, the one in all your dreams
That someone won't be me
And that's okay
You never really loved me anyway
Not enough to meet me half the way
Oh love is something you can only take..."
Someone who knew them finally spilled the beans a while back, saying basically that they were in love but not actually lovers for a surprisingly long time. When they finally gave in, it was too late. Then they could not go back, but Joy would not move forward with him. Apparently she hoped they could just keep on working together as if nothing had happened, but obviously everything was ruined at that point. John swallowed his anguish and left, and that was that. He's still with his wife and seems much happier these days. I saw him live in CA right before the pandemic and he was absolutely wonderful. He did a couple of CW songs, too.
Around the same time, Joy's hubby unceremoniously dumped her, forcing her to literally cancel a whole tour at the last moment. He now posts regular adoring PDA shots of him and his second wife (a more glam version of Joy) all over his social media. I have no idea what the backstory really is there, but yikes. I hope Joy will be able to perform live again at some point. She's a radio host nowadays.
Clearly a love letter written to each other...
I mean even their breathes are so beautiful and synced
Love this song!!! Your mouth is poison your mouth is wine!!!
This is REAL music. It really disgusts me that people today are obsessed with music that only speaks of sex and twerking etc, why The Civil Wars are not world famous really saddens me. I know that they are hiatus currently but they are still create the most beautiful music I've heard in a long time. I just really, really wish more people knew and loved them because they and their music deserve it more then anything.
I agree....i can't listen to modern music these days except for Adele and Christian music.
@Percy BlackAdder --- Check out @JohnPaulWhite - He's on Tour with his 3rd release... I've seen him twice in the last couple of years... He just gets better & better with time... like Scotch or Bourbon 😉
Try Alessia Cara. She is very talented. "Scars to Your Beautiful" is her best song to date. Give it a listen. You won't regret it.
For anyone who wants to play this on guitar the way John Paul does, here's how :)
- Standard Tuning - Capo 2nd Fret -
- Structure Of The Song -
Verse 1, Chorus 1, Verse 2, Chorus 2, Outro
- Chords Needed -
B (Variation) - 7x9800
C# (Variation) - 9x9800
E (Variation) - 079900
- Chord Progression Repeated Through ENTIRE Song -
B, C#, E, E
- Verse 1 & Chorus 1 Strum Patterns -
B & C# - ↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓ (Palm Muted)
E - ↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓↓↓ ↓ (Palm Muted)
- Verse 2 & Chorus 2 Strum Pattern -
All Chords - ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
- Outro Strum Pattern -
All Chords - ↓ ↓ ↓
Hope this helps you out! If you get stuck or need a little extra help, I just posted a video lesson for this on my channel :)
Hi Thnx for posting this - but why do you say (Variation) agains the chords needed?
I watch this video from time to time, and the ending never fails to give me chills. The musical chemistry between these two is incredible. I love them so much!
Do you ever think about what it would have been like if they never got together in the first place? Be thankful for this and everything they did together. Life happens.....nothing guaranteed...
Very true. But we still get feelz, dammit!
Never seen anything like them! I have no words to describe the beauty of their harmonies.
I come back here yearly. . . Since 2013
This duo, and then the runners up.
The fact that they sound better live >>>
The world deserved more of them.
Damn, I’m already crying before the 1st chorus 😂😢😊
Nobody can EVER dislike The Civil Wars.
They're so in tuned to each other, amazing harmony. So Beautiful
Beautiful! 4 instruments......guitar, piano and their 2 voices. This song is only 3 chords and quietly haunting yet so symbolic of married couples in this day and age. I am learning/playing/singing this as a duet with a band mate. Male/female harmonies have been in short order lately, thanks for bringing the lovely sound of the two sexes back!
I've been watching Dave since I was a little kid. And I've got to say, his show has introduced me to the best artists. Thanks Civil Wars, and thank-you Dave
Their voice was very unique and impecable
This is a very emotional song ...
He seemed reluctant to look at her as they sang, but then he just gave in!
The way they look at each other....
I'm sad because they were one of my favorite music groups, and I'll never get to see them in concert together... : (
My favorite song from them. Shame I only became fond of their awesome songs a few weeks ago.
What a courageous song choice for mainstream Letterman. Beautiful.
Mainstream… you must think you’re different than the rest of us.
This track is so touching... It always moves me to tears!
c'mon dave, at least learn their names!! "Thank you sir, Just beautiful ma'am".
I think this song is perfect and a perfect song for their breakup. Sad.
They remind me of that broken up couple that auditioned for american idol that sounded beautiful together!
they cant be acting...just pure love
One of these bands I never got to see live, and it saddens me till this day.
just touching and breathtaking beautiful^^ *goosebumps*
One of the most moving moments in music 🎶
totally amazing as they always are, they connect with their eyes and their voices...stellar!
That last note though... SIGH.
I absolutely fucking love this song!!!
Their story would make a great movie
Rewatching Vampire Diaries and had to revisit this performance. Joy Williams is one of my faves.
I swear, whenever they perform this song and get to the end, lookin at eachother singin "i always will".... cant help but think....
Breathtaking!
Lesser known talent? Civil Wars? Are you kidding, they've made it huge.
Keeping hoping they'll resolve their differences and come back....they're too sublime to be in hibernation forever.
So beautiful!
Saw them in Leeds. England when they first came on the scene. Phenomenal harmonies. Probably a little too in tune with each other for their respective partners I feel
Gosh I miss them.
“A thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.”
They sang this perfectly
thump up 4 this song love you
That was perfect!
Absolute perfection.
We miss you guys.
Simply Magical!!!!
After :'(
ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!!!
That last note. My God.
i really loved their songs
They're perfect together!
Shame that they just broke up.
Yep, it's sad =/
But.....As they're both going solo that could mean twice as much music...We'll see :)
Seth Sanders damn i didnt know that,ima go cry now
Joy's pushing this particular performance near to Kate Bush territory but it still works wonderfully.
pure magic...
I love this... so emotional..new to this duo.
how the hell am i just coming across these two now. simply amazing!!
I just found them recently too. Don't remember how and can't understand why I never heard them before. They are incredible together.
Such simple beauty!
God I miss them so much. 😭
Incredible!
i ALWAYS WILL...
you're so right.
I THINK THERE'S A SPARK SOMEWHERE whenever they perform together. ahhh, it's JUST there! that look at the end.
They are so beautiful together!!!!! Ughhh why couldn't couples with amazing chemistry be together? D:
Pure magic
Can someone please tell me what this song is about I'm confused...
RIP
They both got something so hot on themselves!!!!!
I can almost hear John Paul thinking: it's "holler"!
You´re soooo right!!!!
@Caboosetm88 They probly let Madonna take her time. Right? But making it to Letterman is still huge for a lesser known talent. This version was beautiful to me. I enjoyed it. :)
You cannot look somebody in the eyes like that and not mean every word you're saying. They don't love each other but they always will.
You can love more then one person in this WORLD, for different reasons, I personally don't think an affair happened at all!
wow!
So. Let me explain. Joy had her husband, and John had his wife. On their last year touring together as The Civil Wars, Joy was pregnant, and, its quite likely that its John's child, but, they weren't going to let their marriages fall appart so they disbanded.
The "official" story is that they had irreconcilable differences so they disbanded. They never explained what caused the "irreconcilable difference", but you know what sure as shit can ruin a relationship? A baby. Oh yeah, and being married to other people while you and your singing partner tour the world together.
Lets be honest though. If you were John, you wouldn't want to get with Joy? If you were Joy, you wouldn't want to get with John? They were perfect for eachother, except that they were already marrier to other people when they met. Right place, wrong time.
Pleeeeeez...get back together!
I read somewhere that it was her husband that did not want them to sing together anymore. I think he was uncomfortable with it. I dont if its true, but would make more sense. The husband saw the connection they shared and was jealous.
Not true, her husband was their manager and she actually wanted to continue because they were really successful. It's him who broke the deal, but I don't know the details. It might have been an ego thing, in addition to the fact that it was quite embarrassing for them to be always asked if they were a couple when they were in fact happily married to other people and having kids.
Yeah, "embarrassment" doesn't really justify throwing over an uptrending, Grammy-winning, Gold Record, rabid fanbase musical career. To bail on that after they were finding so much greater success than either had enjoyed? Something more than embarrassment was at play. Something deeper, more tragic, and...I can't help it...fascinating, somehow.
By most accounts, John Paul White prefers the level of success that has "crowds" of a size you can go out and talk to any member that wants to talk to you. You know, the kind of talented performer who just never get signed up for a hype machine approach, and whose fans kind of feel a little cooler for knowing about them...as opposed to being a fan of Taylor Swift/Beyonce/Kanye/whoever. Most performers on that level are desperately striving to get bigger, I think JPW likes it more modest. Don't know what he'd do if any of his music took off and made him a megastar overnight...probly have to leave this sweet ol' world altogether.
Anyway, with five dates to go on their European tour, they had a 'disagreement' (about the future of the act? probably.), and by 'disagreement', I mean horrific fight that led to JP quitting the band on the spot. Though they did deliver on the London date, which performance is indescribably painful. By the end, Joy is just broken. All of this...the arc to the top of the profession, the worship of a growing fan base, the money...all just gone. And then HE wouldn't talk to HER, or talk about it to anyone. Weird.
Even if professional plans were the precipitating matter, the subsequent reactions indicate something much more intense and personal at play. Professional matters can be worked out. This was a bitter break, a cathartic confrontation, possibly the airing of previously suppressed thoughts, feelings, actions. See why even an anti-TMZ type such as myself finds this more interesting than "Jen Stunned by Brads' Message to Angelina!"??
Man, that was long-winded. *sigh*
I heard Joy Williams is getting divorced now!
Agnes, reminds me of you