The Taycan could definitely get me into an electric car. I'm just not even close to being able to afford one, unless they'll give me 17 years of payments.
I love my RWD Taycan with big battery and air ride. I had a Cross Turismo on order but the lead time was 1 year+, prices kept going up and the tax rebate going away, I found a 500 mile dealer demo car for a price I couldn't refuse and don't regret it at all. The only issue with the Taycan is the availability sucks right now. Great car!
@@pieswimmer1 I sold a 991.2 Carrera T and made $30k over what I paid, and still had 5 figures leftover shekels after I bought the Taycan. Plus I get another $7,500 back at tax time next year.
@@hamsterbrigade 2 months - but it's been flawless so far. Getting the updated infotainment next week so it's nice to see that Porsche is prioritizing software updates.
Maybe add the LSD, plus the larger battery pack, if only $5k, is a good deal for both range and power. But even those aren't necessary. If this has such decent ride quality and handling in the steel springs, I'd stay away from the air suspension for sure. They almost all fail long before the rest of the car and are insanely expensive to repair. I prefer the wagon for both better rear headroom and styling I find more distinctive (and appropriate for a four-door), but I'd be happy with this. I do wish they'd restyle the headlights. They look like some sort of aftermarket replacement that don't fit the holes they're stuck in.
FYI - unless you're Canadian, these Porsche Exclusive wheels painted jet black are just over US$6k and that includes the additional rubber (21-35-305 in the rear)
I’m fortunate to be in a position that my choices for an EV were either Taycan(RWD) or the I4 M50. I ultimately decided on the I4M50 due to the quoted delivery time of 8-14 months for the Taycan verses the 4-6 months for the I4 M50. Thanks for the video, I enjoy the content.
@@GXMAN16 Great question big bro and I’ll be honest. I didn’t pick the Tesla because 1) Drive quality and handling is not as good. Having a fast 0-60 is fun but the party trick wears out after awhile. 2) The quality of material used in the Tesla is subpar. 3) I like the exclusivity factor and I see model S everywhere. 4) Most importantly, BMW and Porsche are “drivers cars” while Tesla wants to remove the driver from experience with its autopilot system. I actually like to drive my car especially if I’m being asked to pay all this money.
@@dcDOC19 Make sense, I respect that. Tesla shot themselves in the foot I think by going all in into making these fast 0-60 cars, but paradoxically with a philosophy of removing the driver, but the biggest factor is they half assed everything else. Like you said for that much money getting build quality and material of a sub 30k car is in excusable. I own a BMW, EVs are not my cup tea just yet, but I hope you enjoy yours, I love mine
@@dcDOC19 good summary obi, I would add the Tesla build quality allows for 1/8" gap on the hood right side, 3/8" gap on the left, not to mention the "I velcro'd my iPad to the center dash" interior approach
It's beyond asinine that a 2023 model year $100k car still has a very noticeable half second response delay on their touch screens (especially in warm weather). Who the hell is actually asking for HVAC controls on a touch screen!?
The battery pack is actually a pretty good bargain. In how many other cars can you get such a big power bump for so little? And here you get a sizeable range increase, too. I can't see any reason not to get it. The wheels I'd pass on.
Has anyone ever bought a car at this price range based only on the reviews? Yours are excellent, but at this kind of money, I would go for an exhaustive test drive before dropping my black-market-sold-kidney money on this ride.
Considering there are rarely vehicles to test drive on lots, reviews may be the only way to inform yourself before placing an order and waiting a year or more for your new car to show up
9:36 come back to reality. No, everyone with 100k for a car doesn’t also have a total of 300k for two cars or even double the money for a different car. Are you insane?
@@jackholmes8105 Is the average taycon owner the owner of a 100k car or a 200k car? It’s the 200k model. They’re buying this 200k car as their secondary vehicle. Do you think they also own another 200k Porsche? In the state I live in 550k works out to about 340k after taxes. Do you spend the equivalent to your annual salary on cars or leases (where when the lease is over you have nothing to show for the money you’ve spent). Don’t forget how people with this kind of money tend to stick to cars that are less than 5 years old. So, this is 100% of your salary every 3-5 years.
@@zero11010 a gt3 Will resale the same price or thereabouts, and this thing at maybe 70%. People making 550k a year are fine, don’t worry too much for them lol
@@sephiros9883 there is no worry. I just disagree with that statement. Would you spend your net annual salary on one or more cars? Most people making 500k are swimming in debt. Doesn’t really matter how much a lot of people make, they find a way to over extend themselves. But, is that cars … or homes or jewelry or investments …. Different per person. What I do know is, it isn’t common that people are spending their annual net salary on cars. “Hey, it retains 70% of the value” is the same as “hey, want to throw away 30% of your money?”
Tesla Model S Long Range? Not comparing? Same price and configuration except you get 2 motors, all-wheel drive, 400 mile range, and a hatch. Oh, and 0-60 in 3 seconds. Picking on Tesla panel gap is not going to make up for $50k Sorry for sounding like a Fanboi but I really wanted to like the Taycan and shopped the Taycan Cross Turismo heavily. There is lots to like in the Porsche but the numbers and don't work in Porsche's favor. At $75k the Porsche would make more sense. Too be fair, people make excuses for Tesla build quality all the time, but this video made all sorts of excuses for Porsche. You don't need the extra speed. You don't need the range. you don't need heated seats. At $100K I sure as hell do.
I disagree with your comment that this doesn't have a lot of standard stuff, without adding any options. If you're only going to use this as a commuter car, I would only see one must-have option (18-way seats for $1700), and buy this thing at under $90k. Very little else in the options catalogue is really necessary for a great commuter car. If you're going to do long road trips, that's another story.
Especially when the infrastructure is decades away from being ready for the extra capacity. And that's a generous figure. Anyone who claims EVs are green are delusional at best. The materials used to create the batteries (read: lithium) require environmentally-destructive mining. But EV proponents won't mention that part because that's the kind of fact which doesn't fit their narrative.
The average new vehicle price for all vehicles in 07/2022 was $48,000. American's have been obsessed with overpriced pickup trucks for years, yet now they can't afford a $40,000 car? Honda Civic's cost $40,000 now by the way. If $40k isn't in somebody's budget just wait a few years for more affordable options.
@@TheAdventureAuto If you didn’t know, our tax code is messed up. Most pickup trucks are for business use, even the highest trim levels with heated leather seats qualify. The other set of buyers have a house far away from cities and need a pickup to move supplies around. The cost of a vehicle is not correlated to the income most people have. I’ve seen a study where even a new $40k car bought every lifecycle ends up as some ridiculous half a million dollars over a lifetime. EVs should be much cheaper to produce but corruption has its way.
I have owned almost this exact spec car since February. I have over 10k miles on mine and use it as my daily driver. I drive around 50 miles per day. The Taycan has been an amazing car so far. I am a driving enthusiast… I have an NB Miata track car and traded in a 2019 Miata RF on the Taycan. I couldn’t be happier. My wife and I have taken the Taycan on multiple weekend trips and the Electrify America chargers have provided a great experience here in the Florida/Georgia area. Free fast charging for 3 years on that network is a great bonus and was included with the purchase. The Taycan provides a very wide envelope of driving experiences. From ultra quiet and smooth highway cruising to turning hard laps at my local road course, it has exceeded my expectations in every regard. Yes it is expensive, but I feel it is the best balance of price and everyday useable performance of any EV currently available.
@@RelizEkpoJnr In 5 years there will be all kinds of great EVs available. Have you driven an R1S or a Taycan? They look like two completely different vehicles to me.
@@RelizEkpoJnr And you can roll the dice on a company that lost $1.7 Billion last quarter and can't deliver cars - so it's vaporware. Oh and the pricing is skyrocketing as well. And good luck with getting the Rivian serviced, I have a Porsche dealer down the street...
@@Mark-rt6fy Absolutely. Two different cars at the limit. The Taycan is 4600 lbs compared to my Miata at 2000 lbs. That said, the Taycan is a blast to drive on track. I was honestly surprised at the tendency for the car to rotate on trail braking, as well as oversteer on corner exit. The power is a continuous push as long as you are on throttle. I can’t wait to see what the future holds for performance EVs.
Pro tip: Never buy a base model Porsche. 4S and higher trims or bust. Surprised the heck outa me after driving both that the Taycan 4S/Porsche 4 wheel drive system handles better than even the legendary Audi Quattro system in the rain and snow. No problem driving this car fast as fk in the rain and snow with peace of mind
Another excellent review and you guys always manage to include some nice humor in it; ie the color of the eyes to match your car video! I remember hating the look of the Panamera, with the odd proportions and whatnot. The thing has grown on me with the Taycan. It is a great-looking car and this version strikes a good balance. I gotta get me one of those shirts!
I've taken this particual 270° highway onramp at very high speed, traffic permitting, riding my 1299 on many occasions. And one day a Taycan Turbo joined my shinnanigans rocking licence plate "Silence". He nearly matched my entry speed. And 1299 Pingale is no slouch of a motorcycle. I was impressed. I gave the bloke a thumbs up and sped up. He had no chance of catching me..LoL
I just tested a refresh Model S for 3 days. Rented on Turo. Build quality and quality of materials is pathetic for 100k car. Replacing a real controls with yoke, sensory buttons and screens is a cheap , not safe trend either. So happy to return to X5 that got it all right. Doubt anyone who test Taycan and MS have any problem choosing a car and not a religion.
Yeah, drove a base E-Tron GT a few months back as I prefer its looks. When I asked how much, the lady was kind of embarrassed to say $116K. I make over $200K and with a wife and three kids in high school, a $116K car means we have only one car, not the three we need. One car that doesn't even seat all of us. Then I go look at a '22 BMW 530e at $57K with a more luxurious interior than the base E-Tron GT or Taycan. The Federal credit on the 530e is about $6K and my State throws in another $2500, so the 530e is less than half the cost of the E-Tron GT, seats more, more luxurious. The 1.7 sec difference in 0-60 costs $66K. Ummm, no thanks. Auto journalists live inside a bubble. To call this an "everyday EV" is patently absurd.
And the rear seat is pretty uncomfortable for the 5' 10 and up passengers. This is a luxury good, so I agree that calling it an everyday ev is a big stretch, unless you rarely carry passengers and are wealthy.
There are enough potential customers who don’t have kids, or have young / smal kids. A big portion of my childhood I spent in a Toyota Avensis which certainly has smaller back seats. Would be fine from my perspective 15 years ago, It’s all about your standards. In my case, this car would be a perfect addition to my single turbo Supra which I use in the weekends. It certainly delivers for petrolheads as a second car and people who are on the opposite spectrum compared to the Tesla buyer as in you don’t need too much gimmicks.
@@Mark-rt6fy I would argue that OP knows cars exactly as we all do - tools in life that can be fun. To reduce OPs whole post to the century mark comment is banal and superfluoustical. Both words are as appropriate as your comment.
I feel so sorry for anyone in the back seat of this car (or the e-tron RS). I haven't had the "pleasure" of being whipped around in one of these, but just seeing Jack-in-the-Back I can only imagine how claustrophobic/vomit inducing it might be for someone.
I haven't tried the current gen Audi rear seats, but last gen was so uncomfortable. It was almost torture sitting in the back, even with a good driver.
I have this car for my daily 80 miles drive to work....I am loving it, every second of it. Although it is ultra expensive for my budget but the feeling of driving this car can't be bought with money
There are no competitors to it. Nothing else is Porsche. Audi is the same umbrella, so doesn't really count. A Tesla is not designed to be a Porsche with its driving dynamics and autonomous driving. At $100K, it's a bargain for Porsche. I didn't buy it because it was an EV, I bought it because it was a fun Porsche, that happened to be EV. My other vehicle is a 8mpg RAM 1500 TRX that gulps fuel at the stop light.
A few counterpoints: -I don’t think most RWD taycan buyers have/ could afford a 200k-300k gt3 as their 2nd car. That might apply to taycan turbo owners though. -EV or not, I can’t find another sub 100k car that I’d rather have as a daily driver. The taycan has a great blend of looks, seating position, build quality, ride/handling and comfort. Bmws and Mercedes are too ugly, Audis are too numb, and I don’t want an SUV or a FWD based car. The turbo 4 and 6 cylinders in most modern cars don’t do anything for me so I might as well get the benefits of an EV. Personally I could just about afford a RWD Taycan with a few options. No I don’t make typical Porsche owner levels of income but: -we only need 1 car now that both my wife and I work from home -I’d save about 200/month in gas costs which is equivalent to leasing an ICE car with a 15-20k lower msrp. So effectively I could run this car for what it woukd cost me to have 2 mainstream cars. Fair tradeoff I think.
@@savagegeese Why does Porsche know the average income of their customers a) and b) those numbers are probably based on last year's dogecoin owners. They might very well be making -550k annualy now.
Porsche made an actual car that drives well. It will hold value for that alone. Tesla is propped up by the exclusive charging network, but I doubt that will keep them ahead for much longer. Porsche, GM, Audi and the Koreans are far ahead of Tesla in terms of making good vehicles.
Thanks as always guys, I think you should try to get hold of the Polestar 2 Performance mainly for the chassi side of things. It's a heavy car with little feedback to the steering wheel but it's a really nice package
In non-US markets, a RWD Taycan Sport Turismo is offered (as well as the other typical trim levels offered on the Cross Turismo). In the US, the only Sport Turismo trim is offered in GTS guise.
@@christopherye4146 Which is a shame, and I think a mistake. Anyone who actually uses the rear seat will run up against the limits of the sedan. Or their passengers will - with their heads.
@@christopherye4146 I guess I'd settle for a Cross Turismo, but buy it in a dark color to help disguise the stupid black bits. Both the dark Cherry (really burgundy), and the Gentian Blue look pretty.
The back seats are not great for people over 6 ft, your head doesn’t touch the roof but it’s just close enough where you’d wish you have the hatch version. Plus the shape of the roof makes it uncomfortable to get in and out
I just drove it fast for 15 minutes. Now where's the charger. A car that acts like a cellphone is not a car neither is a car without an engine. 200000 for a battery. Ya right 🤣🤣
Car is still fugly as hell, it's an EV, and it's expensive as hell for what??? The only benefit to EVs is that the motors are truly field levelers compared to ICE which only the makers with a lot of experience in motor making/design along with tuning stood out. So now a stupid Kia will be as fast as this thing. It's meh. They're all meh to be honest. I wonder when an automaker will get it, and get it right for us enthusiasts to get excited for EVs and start talking them up and generating more word of mouth sales, because right now there is a lot of negativity around these soulless people moving appliances that is likely turning away the NPCs. Even politics, which is the main factor for this EV push, is not saving them.
Eventually ICE vehicles will be banned and it will be soulless electric vehicles or nothing. Within 75 years, human driven vehicles will be banned and all vehicles will be autonomous and 40,000 Americans will not be getting killed on the roads each year like now.
@@jackholmes8105 I think you guys are thinking too highly of Teslas. Their brand has successfully tricked a lot of people. If you look at it from a premium car perspective, thats not ultra sporty or luxurious you’ll start to understand. They are akin to a mix between a Lexus and Audi. A good mix of daily sportiness with cheap running costs, with some performance sophistication.
I disagree with the reviewer- how does it not make sense for longer drives?? If you're driving 550 miles in one day, you've charged ONCE for 25 mins from 5% charge almost back to full. And saved something like $80 in fuel with electricity thats free with EA for the next 36 months. Its a no brainer. Also- I don't believe there is any PTV+ on any Taycan. The rear motor on ALL Taycans have the integrated electronically controlled LSD, not an optional PTV. There is no open diff.
7:25 "This is the one that you're probably going to buy more realistically at least. This is 104 grand." Then Mark's little wince at the number is great.
...but there is. Sport/cross turismo thing...however, Porsche added a larger rear volume and charges you for it. But it can still be had as a hatch/wagon.
Damn Porsche ev tech is lagging behind. My 21' Tesla Model 3 RWD is 5s 0-60, and 270 mi range, and was only $37,990. You are either dumb or rich to buy this Porsche, or likely both.
Taycan looks better, handles better also does 0-60 in 5 seconds (4.7) better interior, and have gotten 331 miles. it's also a special car where none are spec'd the exact same. I like driving on the road knowing 100 people in my area don't have the same car as me.Honda civics cost $37k now...get with the times!
@@brandon7136 Typical Porsche dreamer that thinks the more money spent the better they are compared to other human beings. Maybe one day you will be able to buy a new car, let alone a Porsche.
Lmfao a tesla is ugly as hell. The model 3 doesn't even give u gauge clusters, a HUD, ventilated seats, 360 cam, etc..U get a single ipad and that's it. The model 3 looks like a fat egg with ugly ass headlights. Looks like it could be a mall cop car 😂 this thing is way more sleek and futuristic. Also it's an actual LUXURY car. U get carbon fiber, carbon bucket seats, sport steering wheel that feels good, better handling,etc.. no one would ever look at a tesla and think its near as cool looking as a porsche taycan. Porsche actually feels special to just be inside of it. Tesla is just basic.
With the current lease discounts this car is an awesome buy compared to the gas powered cars. Purchased this and E-tron GT and the E-Tron has more power, air suspension etc. but the Porsche trumps it with fit and finish, slightly sportier suspension and thankfully no glossy black interiors. Also the car is just slow in 0-60 but if you look at quarter mile of 12.9 seconds all the time is lost in the 0-60… between 40-80 this car just pulls!
My Nightmare. I pay my bills by making a Car Show for enthusiasts, and I relised they don't care about electric cars. They should have fed Al Gore to those fucking Polar Bears.
sorry but $104k for a sub par 'performance' EV with not much HP or of anything for that matter . and barely any range for only daily commute. Gee I wonder why there aren't any competitors??
Lucid air has much more interior space with just an inch longer and handles pretty great too. I think they nailed it when it comes to ground up thinking in EV.
First of all: Lucid is just a rookie in the industry and will have the same disgusting build quality issues like Tesla has. You can't compare such a totally unknown thing like a "Lucid" to the best EV drivers cars in this industry. If you do so, well, you really have no fucking clue about premium EVs, dude! You can't beat Porsche build quality with a Lucid! And forget about this "... the Lucid handles pretty great too", because it's far away from Porsche capabilities. The Lucid Air is just another big and fucking heavy "electric scateboard" vehicle, where you will have exactly this feeling of "just riding a fucking huge battery", whereas the Porsche Taycan is still a drivers car despite of its high EV weight, even in its "base" single motor version. A totally rookie like Lucid just can't beat a Porsche Taycan. Sorry, dude! It's like you compare a shitty built fucking heavy "thing" an a huge battery to a totally composed and perfectly built German performance luxury vehicle.
@@Porsche1969 lol, sure 😂. Because everyone at lucid graduated and joined lucid, right? All I talked about ground up thinking about design, the way Porsche and lucid went in different direction. Problem with Tesla was that they wanted to do everything in unconventional way. Anyway please f off 😂. I didn't ask for fanboy to come comment. 🤷♂️
@@Porsche1969 and the most funny things is air has almost double the range, lower price, more space, less weight, better 0-60 and top speed all in comparable trims 😂😂. Porsche handle great but so do air, look at the reviews from others like hagetry. But who I am telling this 😂😂 fanboys don't care about facts. 🤷♂️
@@Porsche1969 Snort. It's perfectly reasonable to compare the actual products, not your fanboy imaginary version. Lucid hasn't been having the same assembly problems Tesla did because, unlike Elon, they hired some seriously experienced people to make sure they didn't. Of course the Air is not quite the same, and isn't trying to be, but for the general driving/commuting they were talking about in the video it's no joke, either. Dismissing the Lucid as a "skateboard" ignores that the Taycan is built almost the same way, with a big slab of battery under the floor. Yeah, they stepped it a little at the footwells, but it isn't that different. It's really the only sensible way to build an EV right now. It also gives a nice, low center of gravity.
@@ruturaj47 And the even more funny thing is, that this doesn't fucking matter at all compared to a Porsche Taycan, dude! Forget about this shitty and boring "range" discussion, because 90% of Taycan owners certainly won't need 400+ fantasy miles of range for such an EV. Because most these customers still have some other Porsches at home, for using them more purposefully and for longer range. The Taycan is still a true Porsche. It's not a shitty low quality product, made by an unkown little company... 😉😉😁😁 Charging the car at home, every day, at night, is just perfect for Taycan owners. A fully charged battery each day in the morning with a Taycan is all what you need with this car. A rookie like Lucid maybe has to make some "statements" with things like "range", because nobody knows who they are what they are making. All the Porsche Taycan models certainly don't need fantasy range numbers like Lucid and Tesla have. Forget about all this EPA bullshit, because Taycan range numbers are always near 290 miles, whereas Tesla numbers have always been absolute fantasy.... At daily driving you won't have bigger problems with the Taycan range. By the way: electric range from a 130 or even 150 kWh battery.... Is this the future? This is the fucking dumbest thing EV makers can do. In our era of environmental issues and CO2 discussions all over the place, these fucking heavy and huge batteries are just like the wrong answers to a wrong question. The question is: how to get more electric range out of a smaller batterie, but not from a bigger batterie. It's just this typically American thing, as ever: "Bigger is better"... blah blah blah. It's so boring! I see: You understand fucking NOTHING about the Taycan, dude. Therefore it's pretty useless to argue with people like you, who are so full in "Tesla/Lucid fanboy" mode. It's as fucking boring as to discuss with a brain dead fanboy of these low quality products, which are still fucking expensive vehicles by the way! The Taycan is worth every penny of it, just like any other Porsche. Tesla and Lucid have fucking awful build quality, their materials are shit and these cars will be fucking outdated in a very short time. A Porsche Taycan will always be a true drivers and luxury vehicle. And it's a PORSCHE ! Listen, you unteachable clown: You just can't beat a Porsche with such an American rookie vehicle called "Lucid", period! 😂😂 Porsche as a legendary 19 times overall winner of the LeMans 24 hour race (with some 110 more class victories) has more than 70 years of huge experience how to translate all its racing suspension, chassis, steering technology, and for the Taycan also braking recuperation technology, into their road cars and EVs. A rookie in the industry like Lucid has fucking NOTHING to take on the EV table beside pure "range". That's all! But range isn' everything! Daily charging at home with a Taycan is all what you need for almost 90% of Taycan owners. Rookies like Tesla or Lucid are fucking N O T H I N G S compared to Porsche! Wake up, you clown! Their build quality, chassis technology, braking and steering just sucks, whereas a Porsche Taycan is the best driving EV, has a perfect build quality like a totally rocksolid piece of luxury vault on wheels, which drives like a sports car. All these new EV companies just build fucking 2.5 tons heavy and huge batteries on wheels with some fancy gimmicks around it. Mark and Jack in this video are exactly talking about this FACT. Just watch the video!
I am very curious as to how you get to put a regular plate on this EV, IL regulation is so annoying with the electric vehicle license plates (and how their licensing is almost twice the price of gas car licensing)
Edit: Please review the Lucid Air! I’d love to see all the engineering subjected to your guys’ in depth discussion. Honestly this is still the peak sporty EV for me. Even in base trim (albeit with the larger battery and some premium packs), it’s still a compelling package if I were shopping in this price range. With this lower tier model you’re getting the R&D for a 200k car and like mark said, you’re getting 80% of the turbo model for half the price, which makes it a really good car way out of its price range. And the battery engineering and packaging is still one of the best aside from Mercedes’ EQS and the lucid. You’ve got the 800V architecture with its fast charging that is still one of the fastest, the large capacity with enough buffer, the footwell cutouts to make it lower, and the transmission that allows a still competitive range. I expect this will remain competitive for years with anything outside of cutting edge EVs. I also still love the looks better than almost any 4 door machine, although I’d choose the GTS wagon if I could. I remember when this thing was merely a concept low slung panamera coupe thing and I thought it was going to be an unobtainium 918 spyder level thing. But maybe I can pick one of these up when the used market slows down. It still will have the jaw dropping looks, the Porsche tuned chassis and performance, and the comfy quiet interior. Then again, for this price, for a luxury commuter, I’d probably go a different route - a Lucid perhaps (a car with tesla level tech and legacy automaker level R&D), which you guys gotta review, please! Or of course I wouldn’t spend all this on a commuter and would rather have an i4 e40 or lyriq commuter and a GR86 weekend car for less than this Porsche. But by god I wish I were in the position where a 100-200k car would be a reasonable choice.
@@C2B1303 are you kidding? Fastbacks and longroofs are the best shape for practicality, and for looks. They’re sleek and not a stubby or smoothed out three box shape
@@C2B1303 I prefer the wagon's looks, too. This looks generic sports car, a silly shape for a mid-sized sedan. The wagon is more distinctive. The rear-seat headroom of this totally sucks. And yes, it matters. This isn't a 2+2 with a back seat that's for kids on short trips (or parcels), it's a long car with four doors.
Uh isn’t the model S a direct competitor to this car? I love the Taycan but the model S isn’t a slouch. It’s faster, more range, more space, and better charging infrastructure?
Also unreliable, poorly put together, ergonomically challenged, and not very luxurious-feeling. It does move quickly and have a proper back seat, I concede. The charging infrastructure advantage is likely to dissipate over the next couple of years, and for most is only an issue if they want to take road trips. The Porsche doesn't strike me as intended for that.
@@markmiller3279 Unreliable? Model S has been the executive luxury sedan EV benchmark for the past ten years… Its more then held up to scrutiny and has proven to be a reliable car. As for ergonomics, it’s a personal preference and even the Taycan has ergonomic issues people mention (the lower screen controls and upper screen lag on older Taycan models). Yea their build quality is not at Porsche levels but it sure isn’t absolute garbage as people love to make it out to be. Especially on the new model S and their updated interiors. Also the charging infrastructure has a LONG LONG way to go to catch up it’s not even funny. EA stations in majority of stations only have 4 chargers. On top of this, only one is capable of 350KW charging speeds rest at 150KW. Tesla already has minimum 8 stall V3 locations with 250KW charging. This doesn’t even include the actual issues with CCS stations being unreliable and down frequently. There is absolutely no reason the model S shouldn’t be brought up in comparisons because at least on paper, it blows the competition out of the water.
Why are these guys mentioning the battery fire problems being reported. German Factory wistleblower leaked report of serious battery issue with 60% of Taycans, attributable to poor battery management system that allows some cells to over charge while other undercharge. A best you can expect poorer range and at worst fires. Supposedly 1% of Taycans sold have caught on fire.
The Taycan’s owner is a prime example of why EVs aren’t practical for most consumers right now. They’re relegated to a second, third, fourth, etc care for the affluent due to range and charging capability. At that point, you’re certainly not seeing net savings through eliminating gas or diesel costs
It's more convenience factor too. If you're leasing one of these you basically never have to see a mechanic about anything other than tire rotations. Even long term ownership costs of not having to worry about engine problems. Sure, once the battery goes kaput you're probably better off just buying a new one, but until then...
Well, they addressed the EQS. The Tesla isn't really a driver's car, despite its nutty acceleration. Lucid still needs to prove itself a real car company with staying power, but the Air might be a decent competitor.
The wagon would make sense as family car but damn does this body style look good in real life
I've seen one for the first time in the "stormtrooper" spec, literally looked straight out of a Star Wars movie.
I am still debating whether to get the Lucid Air Pure or Base Taycan. Lucid is more roomy but Taycan is pure driver.
Wagon looks better imo
@@computercrack It’s a tough decision. but if I was “forced” to take one, I take the sedan.
The Taycan could definitely get me into an electric car. I'm just not even close to being able to afford one, unless they'll give me 17 years of payments.
Well, I have a membership in the same club 😅
Can i interest you in a 30% apr?
Market is so bad I couldn't afford to rent a room much less an apartment in the middle of nowhere.
@@picklerick7731 uupgig
That could probably happen if nissan financed it
You guys don't get enough credit for your sound mixing. Absolutely top of the heap on any TH-cam channel I've ever come across
Except this is so quiet. Then the ads blow my eardrums out
@@NeonDude20 ublock origin. but also support your favorite creators
That’s a nice retro color on the car. Modernized with a metallic sheen. A very good looking vehicle, inside and out.
I love my RWD Taycan with big battery and air ride. I had a Cross Turismo on order but the lead time was 1 year+, prices kept going up and the tax rebate going away, I found a 500 mile dealer demo car for a price I couldn't refuse and don't regret it at all. The only issue with the Taycan is the availability sucks right now. Great car!
How much gold bullion did you have to trade in for it?
How long have you owned it for?
@@pieswimmer1 I sold a 991.2 Carrera T and made $30k over what I paid, and still had 5 figures leftover shekels after I bought the Taycan. Plus I get another $7,500 back at tax time next year.
@@hamsterbrigade 2 months - but it's been flawless so far. Getting the updated infotainment next week so it's nice to see that Porsche is prioritizing software updates.
Can’t even tell if this one is classical goose sarcasm lol
As Mark said, I like the spec on this one. Perfect commuter spec that is both an EV and a really great car at the same time.
Maybe add the LSD, plus the larger battery pack, if only $5k, is a good deal for both range and power. But even those aren't necessary. If this has such decent ride quality and handling in the steel springs, I'd stay away from the air suspension for sure. They almost all fail long before the rest of the car and are insanely expensive to repair. I prefer the wagon for both better rear headroom and styling I find more distinctive (and appropriate for a four-door), but I'd be happy with this. I do wish they'd restyle the headlights. They look like some sort of aftermarket replacement that don't fit the holes they're stuck in.
LSD? 😂
@@matthewday1242 limited slip differential
$9,000 optional 21" wheels on the base "commuter spec" is an interesting decision.
..but/and an unnecessary one
FYI - unless you're Canadian, these Porsche Exclusive wheels painted jet black are just over US$6k and that includes the additional rubber (21-35-305 in the rear)
Yeah I went onto the configurator after this video. Those wheels were like $17,000 AUD in Australia. Just insane.
They are really not $9000 better looking at all..
@@ryanaugustine5749 how could they be?
I've had my RWD with the big battery and air suspension for 6 months now and approaching 5k awesome miles.
Congrats have fun, good choice!
I’m fortunate to be in a position that my choices for an EV were either Taycan(RWD) or the I4 M50. I ultimately decided on the I4M50 due to the quoted delivery time of 8-14 months for the Taycan verses the 4-6 months for the I4 M50. Thanks for the video, I enjoy the content.
Why not a model S? Its slightly cheaper and blows both the I4 and the Taycan out of the water in terms of performance.
@@GXMAN16
Great question big bro and I’ll be honest. I didn’t pick the Tesla because 1) Drive quality and handling is not as good. Having a fast 0-60 is fun but the party trick wears out after awhile. 2) The quality of material used in the Tesla is subpar. 3) I like the exclusivity factor and I see model S everywhere. 4) Most importantly, BMW and Porsche are “drivers cars” while Tesla wants to remove the driver from experience with its autopilot system. I actually like to drive my car especially if I’m being asked to pay all this money.
@@dcDOC19 Make sense, I respect that. Tesla shot themselves in the foot I think by going all in into making these fast 0-60 cars, but paradoxically with a philosophy of removing the driver, but the biggest factor is they half assed everything else. Like you said for that much money getting build quality and material of a sub 30k car is in excusable. I own a BMW, EVs are not my cup tea just yet, but I hope you enjoy yours, I love mine
@@dcDOC19 good summary obi, I would add the Tesla build quality allows for 1/8" gap on the hood right side, 3/8" gap on the left, not to mention the "I velcro'd my iPad to the center dash" interior approach
Try not to get eaten by the horrendously giant grille
It's crazy we live in a world where $100,000 commuter cars exist.
That is an extremely nice commuter. I'm jealous. And that wink was brilliant :P
Can’t wait to buy one in a few years once some of these RWD become 2nd cars. Perfect real estate daily driver for my city.
It's beyond asinine that a 2023 model year $100k car still has a very noticeable half second response delay on their touch screens (especially in warm weather). Who the hell is actually asking for HVAC controls on a touch screen!?
Absolutely no-one
The same people who want a digital screen on their toilets.
except there's been a major software update, and the response is now milliseconds
Exactly
0:55 minor correction: this color is Frozen Blue Metallic, not Frozen Berry Metallic as stated
For the record those rims will set you back a cool $9K, the larger Performance+ battery pack (with 20% more range) $6K.
The battery pack is actually a pretty good bargain. In how many other cars can you get such a big power bump for so little? And here you get a sizeable range increase, too. I can't see any reason not to get it. The wheels I'd pass on.
For the record those rims will set you back US $6K
I would suggest that you asks owners of Taycans, "How many days have you lost the use of your Taycan due to recalls?"
Has anyone ever bought a car at this price range based only on the reviews? Yours are excellent, but at this kind of money, I would go for an exhaustive test drive before dropping my black-market-sold-kidney money on this ride.
Why not both? 🪅🪅🪅
Every new Ferrari purchase..
Don’t be poor?
Regardless of budget, it's convenient to watch videos and learn about the car you're interested in. Go into a test drive informed.
Considering there are rarely vehicles to test drive on lots, reviews may be the only way to inform yourself before placing an order and waiting a year or more for your new car to show up
9:36 come back to reality. No, everyone with 100k for a car doesn’t also have a total of 300k for two cars or even double the money for a different car. Are you insane?
Average taycan owner makes 550 according to pca. So normally i would agree with you but in this cars case its the truth.
@@jackholmes8105 Is the average taycon owner the owner of a 100k car or a 200k car? It’s the 200k model. They’re buying this 200k car as their secondary vehicle. Do you think they also own another 200k Porsche?
In the state I live in 550k works out to about 340k after taxes.
Do you spend the equivalent to your annual salary on cars or leases (where when the lease is over you have nothing to show for the money you’ve spent).
Don’t forget how people with this kind of money tend to stick to cars that are less than 5 years old. So, this is 100% of your salary every 3-5 years.
@@zero11010 a gt3 Will resale the same price or thereabouts, and this thing at maybe 70%. People making 550k a year are fine, don’t worry too much for them lol
@@sephiros9883 there is no worry. I just disagree with that statement. Would you spend your net annual salary on one or more cars?
Most people making 500k are swimming in debt. Doesn’t really matter how much a lot of people make, they find a way to over extend themselves. But, is that cars … or homes or jewelry or investments …. Different per person.
What I do know is, it isn’t common that people are spending their annual net salary on cars.
“Hey, it retains 70% of the value” is the same as “hey, want to throw away 30% of your money?”
@@zero11010 Perhaps a lot of them can use the car as a business expense/tax deduction.
It's amazing that a 13 second car can be considered "lacking speed"
Tesla Model S Long Range? Not comparing? Same price and configuration except you get 2 motors, all-wheel drive, 400 mile range, and a hatch. Oh, and 0-60 in 3 seconds.
Picking on Tesla panel gap is not going to make up for $50k
Sorry for sounding like a Fanboi but I really wanted to like the Taycan and shopped the Taycan Cross Turismo heavily. There is lots to like in the Porsche but the numbers and don't work in Porsche's favor. At $75k the Porsche would make more sense.
Too be fair, people make excuses for Tesla build quality all the time, but this video made all sorts of excuses for Porsche. You don't need the extra speed. You don't need the range. you don't need heated seats. At $100K I sure as hell do.
you can buy a tesla dual motor and have money 💰 left?
I disagree with your comment that this doesn't have a lot of standard stuff, without adding any options. If you're only going to use this as a commuter car, I would only see one must-have option (18-way seats for $1700), and buy this thing at under $90k. Very little else in the options catalogue is really necessary for a great commuter car. If you're going to do long road trips, that's another story.
When politicians say we will all have EVs they have zero grasp on reality. Who is going to afford a $40k EV, no question something like this $100k.
Especially when the infrastructure is decades away from being ready for the extra capacity. And that's a generous figure. Anyone who claims EVs are green are delusional at best. The materials used to create the batteries (read: lithium) require environmentally-destructive mining. But EV proponents won't mention that part because that's the kind of fact which doesn't fit their narrative.
The average new vehicle price for all vehicles in 07/2022 was $48,000. American's have been obsessed with overpriced pickup trucks for years, yet now they can't afford a $40,000 car? Honda Civic's cost $40,000 now by the way. If $40k isn't in somebody's budget just wait a few years for more affordable options.
40k is basically the standard entry level now for newer cars.
A Nissan Leaf is like $27k new before any incentives
@@TheAdventureAuto If you didn’t know, our tax code is messed up. Most pickup trucks are for business use, even the highest trim levels with heated leather seats qualify. The other set of buyers have a house far away from cities and need a pickup to move supplies around. The cost of a vehicle is not correlated to the income most people have. I’ve seen a study where even a new $40k car bought every lifecycle ends up as some ridiculous half a million dollars over a lifetime. EVs should be much cheaper to produce but corruption has its way.
I have owned almost this exact spec car since February. I have over 10k miles on mine and use it as my daily driver. I drive around 50 miles per day. The Taycan has been an amazing car so far. I am a driving enthusiast… I have an NB Miata track car and traded in a 2019 Miata RF on the Taycan. I couldn’t be happier. My wife and I have taken the Taycan on multiple weekend trips and the Electrify America chargers have provided a great experience here in the Florida/Georgia area. Free fast charging for 3 years on that network is a great bonus and was included with the purchase. The Taycan provides a very wide envelope of driving experiences. From ultra quiet and smooth highway cruising to turning hard laps at my local road course, it has exceeded my expectations in every regard. Yes it is expensive, but I feel it is the best balance of price and everyday useable performance of any EV currently available.
Cool. For 20k less, one can get a roomier Rivian R1S which I'd consider to be of more value.
@@RelizEkpoJnr In 5 years there will be all kinds of great EVs available. Have you driven an R1S or a Taycan? They look like two completely different vehicles to me.
@@RelizEkpoJnr And you can roll the dice on a company that lost $1.7 Billion last quarter and can't deliver cars - so it's vaporware. Oh and the pricing is skyrocketing as well. And good luck with getting the Rivian serviced, I have a Porsche dealer down the street...
Do you feel the weight compromise when you full send it to corners compared to miata?
@@Mark-rt6fy Absolutely. Two different cars at the limit. The Taycan is 4600 lbs compared to my Miata at 2000 lbs. That said, the Taycan is a blast to drive on track. I was honestly surprised at the tendency for the car to rotate on trail braking, as well as oversteer on corner exit. The power is a continuous push as long as you are on throttle. I can’t wait to see what the future holds for performance EVs.
Pro tip: Never buy a base model Porsche. 4S and higher trims or bust. Surprised the heck outa me after driving both that the Taycan 4S/Porsche 4 wheel drive system handles better than even the legendary Audi Quattro system in the rain and snow. No problem driving this car fast as fk in the rain and snow with peace of mind
Another excellent review and you guys always manage to include some nice humor in it; ie the color of the eyes to match your car video! I remember hating the look of the Panamera, with the odd proportions and whatnot. The thing has grown on me with the Taycan. It is a great-looking car and this version strikes a good balance.
I gotta get me one of those shirts!
Tesla s not a competitor?
I've taken this particual 270° highway onramp at very high speed, traffic permitting, riding my 1299 on many occasions. And one day a Taycan Turbo joined my shinnanigans rocking licence plate "Silence". He nearly matched my entry speed. And 1299 Pingale is no slouch of a motorcycle. I was impressed. I gave the bloke a thumbs up and sped up. He had no chance of catching me..LoL
“What are the competitors to this?” Doesn’t even mention the model S lmao I love it
I was about to comment the same thing. I would think the model S would be the main one being cross-shopped to this given the price point
I guess they probably thought that Porsche buyers wouldn't cross shop a Tesla? I know I wouldn't if I could afford a new Porsche.
I just tested a refresh Model S for 3 days. Rented on Turo. Build quality and quality of materials is pathetic for 100k car. Replacing a real controls with yoke, sensory buttons and screens is a cheap , not safe trend either. So happy to return to X5 that got it all right. Doubt anyone who test Taycan and MS have any problem choosing a car and not a religion.
Tesla isn't a luxury brand. It's a tech brand.
@@driliagor I had a Tesla Model X 2018 for rent and i was absolutely shocked by the quality. it's a 30k car in reality really.
Yeah, drove a base E-Tron GT a few months back as I prefer its looks. When I asked how much, the lady was kind of embarrassed to say $116K. I make over $200K and with a wife and three kids in high school, a $116K car means we have only one car, not the three we need. One car that doesn't even seat all of us. Then I go look at a '22 BMW 530e at $57K with a more luxurious interior than the base E-Tron GT or Taycan. The Federal credit on the 530e is about $6K and my State throws in another $2500, so the 530e is less than half the cost of the E-Tron GT, seats more, more luxurious. The 1.7 sec difference in 0-60 costs $66K. Ummm, no thanks. Auto journalists live inside a bubble. To call this an "everyday EV" is patently absurd.
And the rear seat is pretty uncomfortable for the 5' 10 and up passengers. This is a luxury good, so I agree that calling it an everyday ev is a big stretch, unless you rarely carry passengers and are wealthy.
Pretty sure the title is in gest, everyday also as most people cant afford kona ev much less step up to the plate for the taycan.
There are enough potential customers who don’t have kids, or have young / smal kids. A big portion of my childhood I spent in a Toyota Avensis which certainly has smaller back seats. Would be fine from my perspective 15 years ago, It’s all about your standards. In my case, this car would be a perfect addition to my single turbo Supra which I use in the weekends. It certainly delivers for petrolheads as a second car and people who are on the opposite spectrum compared to the Tesla buyer as in you don’t need too much gimmicks.
If you only know cars by 0-60, sports cars aren't for you, good choice going with 530e.
@@Mark-rt6fy I would argue that OP knows cars exactly as we all do - tools in life that can be fun. To reduce OPs whole post to the century mark comment is banal and superfluoustical.
Both words are as appropriate as your comment.
The poor man Taycan 🙄
I’d love to be poor then
Not so poor :)
Eco taycan
When you’re an SVP but not on the board
I feel so sorry for anyone in the back seat of this car (or the e-tron RS). I haven't had the "pleasure" of being whipped around in one of these, but just seeing Jack-in-the-Back I can only imagine how claustrophobic/vomit inducing it might be for someone.
I haven't tried the current gen Audi rear seats, but last gen was so uncomfortable. It was almost torture sitting in the back, even with a good driver.
That's only a problem for people that need one vehicle to do everything. they may not have the six figure entry price.
I’ve had the terror of being a passenger in both a Taycan and eTron. The eTron though is like a private jet lux experience.
This car should be 60k, fight me.
Everyday EV for only 104k huh? Gonna need some inflation magic here...
Porsche tax.
@@buttsexandbananapeels expensive, but cheap for what you get in a tesla for the same money
@@hotdog9262 I wouldn’t buy a Tesla, either.
I think something is wrong with the in car camera, it keeps blurring out the speedometer when Mark is driving 🤔
Vw AG products are great everyday products until they’re not, which is at about 3 years or 36,000miles.
I have this car for my daily 80 miles drive to work....I am loving it, every second of it. Although it is ultra expensive for my budget but the feeling of driving this car can't be bought with money
"Porsche...there is no substitute.
"but the feeling of driving this car can't be bought with money" - he said after buying this feeling with money
Certainly not with your average pleb's money
As to Porsche- that feeling is a bit of mental therapy when driving.
@@brandonclark8736 no they didn't, they bought the car. The feeling is intangible
There are no competitors to it. Nothing else is Porsche. Audi is the same umbrella, so doesn't really count. A Tesla is not designed to be a Porsche with its driving dynamics and autonomous driving. At $100K, it's a bargain for Porsche. I didn't buy it because it was an EV, I bought it because it was a fun Porsche, that happened to be EV. My other vehicle is a 8mpg RAM 1500 TRX that gulps fuel at the stop light.
I bought it because it was an EV and a Porsche > Tesla
Time for me to pony up some cash and get one of these, with the gas savings it should pay for itself within several decades.
think of all the idling gas fumes you and the rest of the planet will no longer inhale, too
Yeah because it will definitely last that long without ruinous maintenance expenses
A few counterpoints:
-I don’t think most RWD taycan buyers have/ could afford a 200k-300k gt3 as their 2nd car. That might apply to taycan turbo owners though.
-EV or not, I can’t find another sub 100k car that I’d rather have as a daily driver. The taycan has a great blend of looks, seating position, build quality, ride/handling and comfort. Bmws and Mercedes are too ugly, Audis are too numb, and I don’t want an SUV or a FWD based car. The turbo 4 and 6 cylinders in most modern cars don’t do anything for me so I might as well get the benefits of an EV.
Personally I could just about afford a RWD Taycan with a few options. No I don’t make typical Porsche owner levels of income but:
-we only need 1 car now that both my wife and I work from home
-I’d save about 200/month in gas costs which is equivalent to leasing an ICE car with a 15-20k lower msrp.
So effectively I could run this car for what it woukd cost me to have 2 mainstream cars. Fair tradeoff I think.
Average Taycan owners makes 550k. Thats straight from Porsche FYI.
@UCgUvk6jVaf-1uKOqG8XNcaQ not surprised…I bet the average transaction price is easily close to 150k
@@savagegeese Why does Porsche know the average income of their customers a) and b) those numbers are probably based on last year's dogecoin owners. They might very well be making -550k annualy now.
These electric cars must depreciate like all other electronics.
In ten years it will be equal in value to a used laptop.
You stupid?
Maybe as a percentage of original value..
These vehicles will have many useful parts for salvage.
Teslas for the most part keep their value well but other brands depreciate like crazy
Porsche made an actual car that drives well. It will hold value for that alone. Tesla is propped up by the exclusive charging network, but I doubt that will keep them ahead for much longer. Porsche, GM, Audi and the Koreans are far ahead of Tesla in terms of making good vehicles.
@@ramk2443 Tesla will sell dirt chep 🤮
@@ramk2443 Until you have to replace the most expensive component of the vehicle - the battery. And that day will come.
Seems most of the MSRP is "Porsche Tax".
Brought to you by the Biden administration.. TESLA
Gotta be honest, I learned nothing from this video.
Thanks as always guys, I think you should try to get hold of the Polestar 2 Performance mainly for the chassi side of things.
It's a heavy car with little feedback to the steering wheel but it's a really nice package
I ordered mine in the color of the vein in Mark's forehead when he's cosplaying an angry, Porsche-owning businessman.
E-tron in French literally translates to Turd 💩
Smart to blur the speedometer! Thoughtfully smart reviews in all your videos 👍🏻
Would be much cooler if it was slower and inferior with a internal combustion engine.
Isn't that just a panamera
@@AKK5I yup,
I'll take that V8 diesel Panamera
@@amnottabs speaking of which, I tested a tdi beetle cab (6m).
The combo was appealing in theory, but still, driving a beetle cab is gaf
I swear you two work off each other like no others on TH-cam. Just a pleasure to watch.
Shills.
Would totally buy a base RWD wagon
In non-US markets, a RWD Taycan Sport Turismo is offered (as well as the other typical trim levels offered on the Cross Turismo). In the US, the only Sport Turismo trim is offered in GTS guise.
@@christopherye4146 Which is a shame, and I think a mistake. Anyone who actually uses the rear seat will run up against the limits of the sedan. Or their passengers will - with their heads.
@@christopherye4146 I guess I'd settle for a Cross Turismo, but buy it in a dark color to help disguise the stupid black bits. Both the dark Cherry (really burgundy), and the Gentian Blue look pretty.
The back seats are not great for people over 6 ft, your head doesn’t touch the roof but it’s just close enough where you’d wish you have the hatch version. Plus the shape of the roof makes it uncomfortable to get in and out
If this was $65K instead of $105K, I would actually lease one of these as a daily driver. 👍
Then you would see as many Taycans around as Macans.
Audi e-tron gets closer to that price.
It’s a Porsche it’s more expensive than a model S spec for spec wise but drives better and is built better.
guessing you shop at Costco
RWD is not "Everyday"
Laughable base price for what you get.
I just drove it fast for 15 minutes. Now where's the charger. A car that acts like a cellphone is not a car neither is a car without an engine. 200000 for a battery. Ya right 🤣🤣
Off on all counts.
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building !!!!!
Car is still fugly as hell, it's an EV, and it's expensive as hell for what??? The only benefit to EVs is that the motors are truly field levelers compared to ICE which only the makers with a lot of experience in motor making/design along with tuning stood out. So now a stupid Kia will be as fast as this thing. It's meh. They're all meh to be honest. I wonder when an automaker will get it, and get it right for us enthusiasts to get excited for EVs and start talking them up and generating more word of mouth sales, because right now there is a lot of negativity around these soulless people moving appliances that is likely turning away the NPCs. Even politics, which is the main factor for this EV push, is not saving them.
Eventually ICE vehicles will be banned and it will be soulless electric vehicles or nothing. Within 75 years, human driven vehicles will be banned and all vehicles will be autonomous and 40,000 Americans will not be getting killed on the roads each year like now.
out of your league POV
105,00, damn what a steal...
Tesla haters.
Acting like Model 3 doesn’t exist. Lol
We actually did two videos on the model 3. Its not our cup of tea to say the least.
@@jackholmes8105 I think you guys are thinking too highly of Teslas. Their brand has successfully tricked a lot of people. If you look at it from a premium car perspective, thats not ultra sporty or luxurious you’ll start to understand.
They are akin to a mix between a Lexus and Audi. A good mix of daily sportiness with cheap running costs, with some performance sophistication.
She’s got great eyes tho let’s be honest
I disagree with the reviewer- how does it not make sense for longer drives?? If you're driving 550 miles in one day, you've charged ONCE for 25 mins from 5% charge almost back to full. And saved something like $80 in fuel with electricity thats free with EA for the next 36 months. Its a no brainer.
Also- I don't believe there is any PTV+ on any Taycan. The rear motor on ALL Taycans have the integrated electronically controlled LSD, not an optional PTV. There is no open diff.
Is anybody actually leasing these?
7:25 "This is the one that you're probably going to buy more realistically at least. This is 104 grand." Then Mark's little wince at the number is great.
Everyday minus winter climates.
Looks good tho.
concrete box....it's a 1000 lbs heavier
Damn kind of disappointed this isn't a hatchback. That would help with the rear seat space and cargo room
...but there is. Sport/cross turismo thing...however, Porsche added a larger rear volume and charges you for it. But it can still be had as a hatch/wagon.
Damn Porsche ev tech is lagging behind. My 21' Tesla Model 3 RWD is 5s 0-60, and 270 mi range, and was only $37,990. You are either dumb or rich to buy this Porsche, or likely both.
Taycan looks better, handles better also does 0-60 in 5 seconds (4.7) better interior, and have gotten 331 miles. it's also a special car where none are spec'd the exact same. I like driving on the road knowing 100 people in my area don't have the same car as me.Honda civics cost $37k now...get with the times!
@@brandon7136 Typical Porsche dreamer that thinks the more money spent the better they are compared to other human beings. Maybe one day you will be able to buy a new car, let alone a Porsche.
Lmfao a tesla is ugly as hell. The model 3 doesn't even give u gauge clusters, a HUD, ventilated seats, 360 cam, etc..U get a single ipad and that's it. The model 3 looks like a fat egg with ugly ass headlights. Looks like it could be a mall cop car 😂 this thing is way more sleek and futuristic. Also it's an actual LUXURY car. U get carbon fiber, carbon bucket seats, sport steering wheel that feels good, better handling,etc.. no one would ever look at a tesla and think its near as cool looking as a porsche taycan. Porsche actually feels special to just be inside of it. Tesla is just basic.
With the current lease discounts this car is an awesome buy compared to the gas powered cars. Purchased this and E-tron GT and the E-Tron has more power, air suspension etc. but the Porsche trumps it with fit and finish, slightly sportier suspension and thankfully no glossy black interiors. Also the car is just slow in 0-60 but if you look at quarter mile of 12.9 seconds all the time is lost in the 0-60… between 40-80 this car just pulls!
My favorite thing is when I ask these owners of the taycan why they bought it and they say to save on gas $ lmao. Nice initial fee of 104k though!
THEY CATCH ON FIRE ball boys
My Nightmare. I pay my bills by making a Car Show for enthusiasts, and I relised they don't care about electric cars. They should have fed Al Gore to those fucking Polar Bears.
I'd take something like this over Tesla any day.
You mean you want an actual steering wheel, strait panels and don't want to use a touch screen to make a 3 point turn? Me too.
How depressing. Why..? It sounds like a Star Wars fighter. Electric cars will kill Porsche and BMW and Audi...
sorry but $104k for a sub par 'performance' EV with not much HP or of anything for that matter . and barely any range for only daily commute. Gee I wonder why there aren't any competitors??
Matching shirts OMG how adorable.
economy spec in porsche world, still six figures 🤣
Lucid air has much more interior space with just an inch longer and handles pretty great too. I think they nailed it when it comes to ground up thinking in EV.
First of all: Lucid is just a rookie in the industry and will have the same disgusting build quality issues like Tesla has.
You can't compare such a totally unknown thing like a "Lucid" to the best EV drivers cars in this industry. If you do so, well, you really have no fucking clue about premium EVs, dude! You can't beat Porsche build quality with a Lucid! And forget about this "... the Lucid handles pretty great too", because it's far away from Porsche capabilities.
The Lucid Air is just another big and fucking heavy "electric scateboard" vehicle, where you will have exactly this feeling of "just riding a fucking huge battery", whereas the Porsche Taycan is still a drivers car despite of its high EV weight, even in its "base" single motor version.
A totally rookie like Lucid just can't beat a Porsche Taycan. Sorry, dude!
It's like you compare a shitty built fucking heavy "thing" an a huge battery to a totally composed and perfectly built German performance luxury vehicle.
@@Porsche1969 lol, sure 😂. Because everyone at lucid graduated and joined lucid, right? All I talked about ground up thinking about design, the way Porsche and lucid went in different direction. Problem with Tesla was that they wanted to do everything in unconventional way.
Anyway please f off 😂. I didn't ask for fanboy to come comment. 🤷♂️
@@Porsche1969 and the most funny things is air has almost double the range, lower price, more space, less weight, better 0-60 and top speed all in comparable trims 😂😂.
Porsche handle great but so do air, look at the reviews from others like hagetry. But who I am telling this 😂😂 fanboys don't care about facts. 🤷♂️
@@Porsche1969 Snort. It's perfectly reasonable to compare the actual products, not your fanboy imaginary version. Lucid hasn't been having the same assembly problems Tesla did because, unlike Elon, they hired some seriously experienced people to make sure they didn't. Of course the Air is not quite the same, and isn't trying to be, but for the general driving/commuting they were talking about in the video it's no joke, either. Dismissing the Lucid as a "skateboard" ignores that the Taycan is built almost the same way, with a big slab of battery under the floor. Yeah, they stepped it a little at the footwells, but it isn't that different. It's really the only sensible way to build an EV right now. It also gives a nice, low center of gravity.
@@ruturaj47 And the even more funny thing is, that this doesn't fucking matter at all compared to a Porsche Taycan, dude!
Forget about this shitty and boring "range" discussion, because 90% of Taycan owners certainly won't need 400+ fantasy miles of range for such an EV. Because most these customers still have some other Porsches at home, for using them more purposefully and for longer range.
The Taycan is still a true Porsche. It's not a shitty low quality product, made by an unkown little company... 😉😉😁😁
Charging the car at home, every day, at night, is just perfect for Taycan owners. A fully charged battery each day in the morning with a Taycan is all what you need with this car.
A rookie like Lucid maybe has to make some "statements" with things like "range", because nobody knows who they are what they are making.
All the Porsche Taycan models certainly don't need fantasy range numbers like Lucid and Tesla have. Forget about all this EPA bullshit, because Taycan range numbers are always near 290 miles, whereas Tesla numbers have always been absolute fantasy.... At daily driving you won't have bigger problems with the Taycan range.
By the way: electric range from a 130 or even 150 kWh battery.... Is this the future? This is the fucking dumbest thing EV makers can do. In our era of environmental issues and CO2 discussions all over the place, these fucking heavy and huge batteries are just like the wrong answers to a wrong question.
The question is: how to get more electric range out of a smaller batterie, but not from a bigger batterie.
It's just this typically American thing, as ever: "Bigger is better"... blah blah blah. It's so boring!
I see: You understand fucking NOTHING about the Taycan, dude. Therefore it's pretty useless to argue with people like you, who are so full in "Tesla/Lucid fanboy" mode.
It's as fucking boring as to discuss with a brain dead fanboy of these low quality products, which are still fucking expensive vehicles by the way!
The Taycan is worth every penny of it, just like any other Porsche.
Tesla and Lucid have fucking awful build quality, their materials are shit and these cars will be fucking outdated in a very short time.
A Porsche Taycan will always be a true drivers and luxury vehicle. And it's a PORSCHE !
Listen, you unteachable clown: You just can't beat a Porsche with such an American rookie vehicle called "Lucid", period! 😂😂
Porsche as a legendary 19 times overall winner of the LeMans 24 hour race (with some 110 more class victories) has more than 70 years of huge experience how to translate all its racing suspension, chassis, steering technology, and for the Taycan also braking recuperation technology, into their road cars and EVs.
A rookie in the industry like Lucid has fucking NOTHING to take on the EV table beside pure "range". That's all!
But range isn' everything! Daily charging at home with a Taycan is all what you need for almost 90% of Taycan owners.
Rookies like Tesla or Lucid are fucking N O T H I N G S compared to Porsche! Wake up, you clown!
Their build quality, chassis technology, braking and steering just sucks, whereas a Porsche Taycan is the best driving EV, has a perfect build quality like a totally rocksolid piece of luxury vault on wheels, which drives like a sports car.
All these new EV companies just build fucking 2.5 tons heavy and huge batteries on wheels with some fancy gimmicks around it.
Mark and Jack in this video are exactly talking about this FACT.
Just watch the video!
a 100000 dollar daily commute car...brilliant
I am very curious as to how you get to put a regular plate on this EV, IL regulation is so annoying with the electric vehicle license plates (and how their licensing is almost twice the price of gas car licensing)
$100k for a base model as an “affordable” option… 😂😂
Edit: Please review the Lucid Air! I’d love to see all the engineering subjected to your guys’ in depth discussion.
Honestly this is still the peak sporty EV for me. Even in base trim (albeit with the larger battery and some premium packs), it’s still a compelling package if I were shopping in this price range. With this lower tier model you’re getting the R&D for a 200k car and like mark said, you’re getting 80% of the turbo model for half the price, which makes it a really good car way out of its price range.
And the battery engineering and packaging is still one of the best aside from Mercedes’ EQS and the lucid. You’ve got the 800V architecture with its fast charging that is still one of the fastest, the large capacity with enough buffer, the footwell cutouts to make it lower, and the transmission that allows a still competitive range. I expect this will remain competitive for years with anything outside of cutting edge EVs.
I also still love the looks better than almost any 4 door machine, although I’d choose the GTS wagon if I could. I remember when this thing was merely a concept low slung panamera coupe thing and I thought it was going to be an unobtainium 918 spyder level thing. But maybe I can pick one of these up when the used market slows down. It still will have the jaw dropping looks, the Porsche tuned chassis and performance, and the comfy quiet interior.
Then again, for this price, for a luxury commuter, I’d probably go a different route - a Lucid perhaps (a car with tesla level tech and legacy automaker level R&D), which you guys gotta review, please! Or of course I wouldn’t spend all this on a commuter and would rather have an i4 e40 or lyriq commuter and a GR86 weekend car for less than this Porsche. But by god I wish I were in the position where a 100-200k car would be a reasonable choice.
you lost me at "I also still love the looks better than almost any 4 door machine, although I’d choose the GTS wagon if I could. " wagon for looks? ha
@@C2B1303 yeah, a lot of people like the look of wagons if you didn’t know (outside of the US).
@@C2B1303 are you kidding? Fastbacks and longroofs are the best shape for practicality, and for looks. They’re sleek and not a stubby or smoothed out three box shape
@@C2B1303 I prefer the wagon's looks, too. This looks generic sports car, a silly shape for a mid-sized sedan. The wagon is more distinctive. The rear-seat headroom of this totally sucks. And yes, it matters. This isn't a 2+2 with a back seat that's for kids on short trips (or parcels), it's a long car with four doors.
@@markmiller3279 taycan sedan generic? so it's similar to?? wagon screams suburban family, picking up kids from school, usw...
Uh isn’t the model S a direct competitor to this car? I love the Taycan but the model S isn’t a slouch. It’s faster, more range, more space, and better charging infrastructure?
Porsches are an investment as they are made to last. Tesla is part of our throwaway culture, built like crap.
Also unreliable, poorly put together, ergonomically challenged, and not very luxurious-feeling. It does move quickly and have a proper back seat, I concede. The charging infrastructure advantage is likely to dissipate over the next couple of years, and for most is only an issue if they want to take road trips. The Porsche doesn't strike me as intended for that.
@@markmiller3279 Unreliable? Model S has been the executive luxury sedan EV benchmark for the past ten years… Its more then held up to scrutiny and has proven to be a reliable car. As for ergonomics, it’s a personal preference and even the Taycan has ergonomic issues people mention (the lower screen controls and upper screen lag on older Taycan models). Yea their build quality is not at Porsche levels but it sure isn’t absolute garbage as people love to make it out to be. Especially on the new model S and their updated interiors. Also the charging infrastructure has a LONG LONG way to go to catch up it’s not even funny. EA stations in majority of stations only have 4 chargers. On top of this, only one is capable of 350KW charging speeds rest at 150KW. Tesla already has minimum 8 stall V3 locations with 250KW charging. This doesn’t even include the actual issues with CCS stations being unreliable and down frequently. There is absolutely no reason the model S shouldn’t be brought up in comparisons because at least on paper, it blows the competition out of the water.
Why are these guys mentioning the battery fire problems being reported. German Factory wistleblower leaked report of serious battery issue with 60% of Taycans, attributable to poor battery management system that allows some cells to over charge while other undercharge. A best you can expect poorer range and at worst fires. Supposedly 1% of Taycans sold have caught on fire.
supposedly 1%? source?? QAnon???
All of your hard work in video making is being ruined by another PORSCHE review.
Best thing about these is they grab everyone's attention on the road
Instead of spending $5000 on extra horsepower why can’t you get the same horsepower but more range instead?
When will Savagegeese be sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends?
Resisting the urge (unsuccessfully) to make a Daddario headlights joke
The Taycan’s owner is a prime example of why EVs aren’t practical for most consumers right now. They’re relegated to a second, third, fourth, etc care for the affluent due to range and charging capability. At that point, you’re certainly not seeing net savings through eliminating gas or diesel costs
It's more convenience factor too. If you're leasing one of these you basically never have to see a mechanic about anything other than tire rotations. Even long term ownership costs of not having to worry about engine problems. Sure, once the battery goes kaput you're probably better off just buying a new one, but until then...
Aren’t Lucid Air, Tesla Model S Plaid and Mercedes EQS direct competitors of this Taycan?
Well, they addressed the EQS. The Tesla isn't really a driver's car, despite its nutty acceleration. Lucid still needs to prove itself a real car company with staying power, but the Air might be a decent competitor.
I keep forgetting you guys are American! Throw in a few errant sorrys and I'd aboot think you were one of us.
the everyday ev not for the everyday person.
that wink, though. 😘
Is it just me, or do I see uneven panel gaps at 11:49 in the sheet metal on either side near the headlights where the hood meets the bumper? 🧐
I can tell right away that Porsche is exploiting costumers with its price tag and what it dont have.
Why doesn't it compare to a tesla ?
The build quality isn’t close. I’ve driven both.
Like the basic Carrera 2 on the 911 cost/enjoyment curve.
I’ll take the Ioniq 5 N instead. 641 horses
Ah yes because those prices are everyday for sure