DEBATE: Should Barry Bonds Be a Hall-of-Famer? l THE ODD COUPLE

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  • THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard and Rob Parker have a discussion about the Baseball Hall of Fame. The guys dive into the steroid era and discuss why certain players get a pass that lets them into Cooperstown and some don't.
    Should Barry Bonds be in the Hall Of Fame?
    Let us know in the comments.
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  • @ChicoRafa_
    @ChicoRafa_ ปีที่แล้ว +347

    Bonds was a hall of famer long before people thought he was on roids

    • @sicaluffa
      @sicaluffa ปีที่แล้ว +14

      💯! He was a hall of famer before he did roids. He didn't need to do them, it's a shame he felt he had to.

    • @ChicoRafa_
      @ChicoRafa_ ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@sicaluffa he’s not in because journalists hated him because he was rude to them. Personal feelings towards a player shouldn’t play a factor into someone being in the hall of fame

    • @pycellesbeard9728
      @pycellesbeard9728 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ChicoRafa_ BS, Ty Cobb was even more hated and an even bigger POS than Bonds and He's in. Bonds isn't in because He cheated the game.

    • @christiansoldier77
      @christiansoldier77 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@pycellesbeard9728 No it's because writers had integrity in Cobb's day now all writers are holier than thou prima donnas

    • @user-sw1fz9vc6r
      @user-sw1fz9vc6r ปีที่แล้ว +19

      He never tested positive either

  • @Bodhi594
    @Bodhi594 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    I absolutely hated Bonds, but without question, he is the greatest hitter I have ever seen.
    Edit: If Bonds hadn't of been intentionally walked so much the year he hit 73 he would have hit 80 to 90 HR's. Lol

    • @mettagoode7276
      @mettagoode7276 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Facts

    • @davidchandler6885
      @davidchandler6885 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And he he could play field too alot Career he won awards for defense

    • @anthonyanderson9303
      @anthonyanderson9303 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      He was actually more impressive to me the following season. I believe he hit 45 Homer's but he was walked like 200 times. His on base percentage was insane.

    • @BrokeMillionaire1
      @BrokeMillionaire1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      100

    • @lastshallbefirst5516
      @lastshallbefirst5516 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How can you be a grown adult and say you, “absolutely hated” someone?
      Hate, really? Based off what? The only thing you should hate in life is the Evil Spirit

  • @Umbrella_TV
    @Umbrella_TV ปีที่แล้ว +167

    Barry Bonds AND Pete Rose need to be in the HOF!!!💯💯

    • @leebruce3340
      @leebruce3340 ปีที่แล้ว

      not Pete GTFOH..Barry hell yes

    • @corning1
      @corning1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Why not Pete. Absurd.

    • @irvingzeistman9828
      @irvingzeistman9828 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If Barry is in , then Pete rose and curt schilling HAVE to be in . Period.

    • @grimhunter2223
      @grimhunter2223 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@leebruce3340He gambled as a Manager not a player...his record for hits will never be broken.

    • @stingrey1571
      @stingrey1571 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      See what is happening in the nfl. Pete gambled on the games he played and most importantly, MANAGED!!! He could have manipulated the lineup and pitchers based on his bets to win, lose, cover, etc.

  • @BrunoJaws
    @BrunoJaws ปีที่แล้ว +144

    I use to go Padre games as a kid from 84-2004 Barry was a hall of famer pre steroids easily. The problems is Barry pissed off the baseball writers.

    • @soda8736
      @soda8736 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      People say that because the body formation but how does anyone know when he started juicing

    • @eugenecaldwell9619
      @eugenecaldwell9619 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@soda8736Great point!!!

    • @eugenecaldwell9619
      @eugenecaldwell9619 ปีที่แล้ว

      How did he piss off the writers?

    • @Ksmoove0824
      @Ksmoove0824 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Writers are supposed to remove feelings and be temperamental

    • @pycellesbeard9728
      @pycellesbeard9728 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah He was, Which makes it even dumber that He felt the need to Roid out to the point where His head could fit on Mt. Rushmore, Dude could've walked right into the Hall with as a lifetime 300+ hitter and probably sitting on 600+ HR 1700 RBI 500 SB, But Nooooooooo He got jealous that a couple Roid heads was getting attention So He juiced himself to the Gills, F that guy! Zero sympathy for the ego maniac.

  • @thefranchise4698
    @thefranchise4698 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Barry Bonds was a HOF based on years with the Pirates alone. He was one of the players that brought ratings to baseball and people turned a blind eye to his steroid use. His bad relationship with the media is another reason he isn't in the Hall.

    • @leebruce3340
      @leebruce3340 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      media relationship is not just 1 reason, its the only reason

    • @Rebel-eq7ul
      @Rebel-eq7ul ปีที่แล้ว

      93-98 on the giants he was clean too. It’s 99-2007 is wasn’t clean.

    • @edsacks
      @edsacks ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. He was great with the BUCS.

    • @Rebel-eq7ul
      @Rebel-eq7ul ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@edsacks 1993-1998 he was great and clean with the Giants too. But Bud Selig and the league celebrated and promoted Maguire and Sosa so much Barry just proved what it looks like when a real generational player on PEDs looks like which is 1999-2007. Video game stuff. Way above Mark and Sammy and others.

    • @westhoodqualzini7884
      @westhoodqualzini7884 ปีที่แล้ว

      His stats with the pirates are defenitely not hall of fame worthy. He only hit over .300 twice with the pirates and the most home runs he had was 34. That’s hall of fame worthy? Stop he was never the player he was until the 2001 season and he exploded in his late 30s. The late 30s is known for seeing a decline in production not breaking records and being better than your younger self

  • @joan.oviedo7ace3
    @joan.oviedo7ace3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I have followed Bonds VERY closely from 1990 until his retirement. Yes he was EXTREMELY arrogant/cocky. He was not publicly friendly. He was not kind to all media. Yet, I have never seen such talent, EVER. To me, Barry Bonds was the greatest player that I had ever seen since. He was a HOF player if he would have retired in 94. It is also inaccurate that he "blew up" in 99-00. Since I followed him up close I saw his physical progression. Year after year he was getting bigger. I really noticed it between 93-96 and already looked really menacing. Did his upper body get bigger in 99-00? yes but it was not a 1988 Bonds to a 1999 Bonds. There was a natural progression. If he used substances that made him grow or become stronger I do not know but, when Bonds hit HR's against Gagne, Randy Johnson, and whoever was placed infront of him, no one can say with a straight face that he hit those thanks to steroids. The fact that he is not in the HOF is simply the writers revenge. It has nothing to do with his talent. It is hatred and hypocrisy.

    • @irvingzeistman9828
      @irvingzeistman9828 ปีที่แล้ว

      Baaaaahhh. He was juiced

    • @larryhoods
      @larryhoods ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@irvingzeistman9828does steroids help your hand-eye coordination? Must've missed that memo lol. Just tell us you're racist and upset that "Amerikkka's past time" is dominated by minorities lol

    • @mikechartowich1482
      @mikechartowich1482 ปีที่แล้ว

      Based on your observations he may have been juicing longer than everyone realizes which would diminish his achievements.

    • @obadiahplainman8897
      @obadiahplainman8897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So “may” convicts you? Explain all the other players in with more than a “may”. Did you ever watch Bonds? He’s easily a HOF’r, this is a laughable discussion.

    • @joan.oviedo7ace3
      @joan.oviedo7ace3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@mikechartowich1482 On the contrary, it shows that his physical growth was slow. It is completely natural for players in ANY sport to build muscle. Let me put it even simpler, compare the rookie card or ANY player (even a pitcher) football, basketball, baseball with a card/picture near their retirement and you will clearly see that they are all significantly bigger and stronger. to name a few recent inductees check Bagwell, Piazza, and Biggio. Bonds was not just awesome hitting, he was ridiculous running and on defense. He was a freak and in the era that (as far as it is known) most players were using something it is hypocritical to try to damage his legacy.

  • @vicarious4231
    @vicarious4231 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    If bagwell,david ortiz, piazza and pudge rodriguez are in the hof, bonds should be in.

    • @irvingzeistman9828
      @irvingzeistman9828 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And so should curt schilling.

    • @ryukenhondaraiden
      @ryukenhondaraiden ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Damn straight and all of them were juicing before bonds and just slipt through the cracks.

    • @leebruce3340
      @leebruce3340 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ryukenhondaraiden Pudge lost all his pudginess 1st season after Jose Canseco book

    • @ryukenhondaraiden
      @ryukenhondaraiden ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@leebruce3340 that ninja turtle looking dude. I really dont like how they scapegoated bonds and roger but the others just got in the hall.

    • @MeaCulpa04
      @MeaCulpa04 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ChicagoBusiinessnah

  • @anthonyashby4202
    @anthonyashby4202 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The title says “debate” but there is no debate Barry Bonds is a first Ballot Hall of Famer

    • @lennyk878
      @lennyk878 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He will never be a Hall of Famer

  • @Magnificent-qr4rn
    @Magnificent-qr4rn ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Barry Bonds was already a Hall of Famer when he was skinny in Pittsburgh....Hand and eye coordination is the key 🔑.....and that's FACTUAL 💯

  • @scott783
    @scott783 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Bonds is a 1st ballot hall of famer. Even if the steroids added an extra 100 home runs to his total, take them away and he’s still at 662. And what everyone forgets , he was hitting against pitchers who were also on steroids and PED’s and growth hormone.
    Put an asterisk next to the guys who played between 1988-2007, call it the steroid era, and put these guys in the hall of fame that deserve to be there. And stop talking about this nonsense

    • @futuretimetraveller8677
      @futuretimetraveller8677 ปีที่แล้ว

      but they said players were using them in the 60s so ...

    • @Jlastinger88
      @Jlastinger88 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@futuretimetraveller8677the 60's? Lol. Steroids, testosterone, and other peds have been around since the 1800's

    • @johnb3898
      @johnb3898 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@futuretimetraveller8677 exactly, so nothing needs to be added to their names because what baseball will find is a lot of great players from all eras did things for enhancing their careers.

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว

      Okay so then where do we draw the line? If you want these guys in the HOF then you also want PEDs legalized otherwise you would object to them being in the Hall. So again, if we are allowing cheating now, where do we draw the line?
      Think about that guys. You’re opening Pandora’s box. That’s probably why baseball hasn’t done it yet because if they let them in the HOF they are indirectly saying PED use is okay you’ll still get in. So then what about all the records that were set naturally? Will there be asterisks next to the PED records? And what about young kids that want to play? Is the message we want is use steroids or you have zero chance? What a mess.

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes because Greenies are equatable to PEDs. No….not even close. Not even remotely close.

  • @NCeezo
    @NCeezo ปีที่แล้ว +14

    big head Barry needs to be in the hall. he was better than anyone in that era and he generated a huge amount of money for the mlb

  • @00ghostcobra
    @00ghostcobra ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Without question Bonds should be a Hall of Famer..

    • @velvet373
      @velvet373 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I agree. And a separate but equal discussion should be about Pete Rose. Dude should also be in the hall

    • @richardpryor8
      @richardpryor8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@velvet373agree to both

    • @irvingzeistman9828
      @irvingzeistman9828 ปีที่แล้ว

      So should curt schilling.

    • @mustbemeech
      @mustbemeech ปีที่แล้ว

      @@velvet373💯💯💯

    • @dylanneville2043
      @dylanneville2043 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why? Yes without steroids bonds is still a hall of fame player. The issue I have is he isn't a top 5 player without the steroids. Binds never once hit more then 49 hr without steroids. Then when he is 37 he hits 73 out of nowhere. Sorry but steroids made way to much of an impact on his power numbers not to penalize him. Like.i said he was good.enougj to be in the HOf without steroids but taking them took.him to new lengths and therefore clouds out the player he was and would've been without them. One key factor in the HOF is intergraty and bonds lost all he had

  • @gerardwilliams8333
    @gerardwilliams8333 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Absolutely yes!!! Berry should be in the Hall Of Fame.

    • @kieransoregaard-utt8
      @kieransoregaard-utt8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who is Berry?

    • @jlui21
      @jlui21 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kieransoregaard-utt8 -- Halley Berry? She is my GOAT.

    • @pycellesbeard9728
      @pycellesbeard9728 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chuck Berry, He' Chicken danced into the HOF back in 1986

    • @gerardwilliams8333
      @gerardwilliams8333 ปีที่แล้ว

      My bad 😂 I ment Barry 🤣🤣

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว

      Check Berry is my all time favorite guitar player. Johnny B Good is one of the greatest songs of all time. He performed it on the Johny Carson show and it was legendary. His guitar skills are incredible 🎸

  • @MoveInSilence36
    @MoveInSilence36 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Barry Bonds was on another level from 2001-2004

    • @floydjr1478
      @floydjr1478 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And he was a three-time MVP before that.

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There’s consequences for cheating. I bet you don’t let anything nefarious happen at work but ya all throw integrity out the window when it comes to cheating in sports. There’s a term for that it’s called being a hypocrite.

    • @dbreiden83080
      @dbreiden83080 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because he cheated lol

    • @ronaldbrogden6002
      @ronaldbrogden6002 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@dbreiden83080How did David Ortiz get in?

    • @dbreiden83080
      @dbreiden83080 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ronaldbrogden6002
      Shouldn’t be in..

  • @Be.authentic_
    @Be.authentic_ ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Chris and Rob knocked this segment OUT THE PARK lets go 🔥

  • @caper087
    @caper087 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    He was a hall of gamer before he blew up.. so yes, he’s a hofer in my eyes and most peoples

    • @TimSpangler-v9i
      @TimSpangler-v9i ปีที่แล้ว

      hall of GAMER?? I love it!!

    • @caper087
      @caper087 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TimSpangler-v9i we’ll .. he was a gamer and a hall of famer so 🤷‍♂️ 😂 😂

    • @TimSpangler-v9i
      @TimSpangler-v9i ปีที่แล้ว

      @@caper087 I'm gonna use your phrase

    • @caper087
      @caper087 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TimSpangler-v9i ahh that’s copyright my guy 🤣

    • @TimSpangler-v9i
      @TimSpangler-v9i ปีที่แล้ว

      @@caper087 ll give you 2%

  • @choward5430
    @choward5430 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My problem is not with Barry Bonds or any player who allegedly or did use steroids in the steroid era. My problem is with MLB because the leadership knew of it beginning with Ken Caminiti and did nothing but accept the money from sold-out stadiums and media hype. Then when their pockets overflowed with cash they became "sanctimonious." Bonds, Clemons, McGuire, Palmeiro, Sosa all belong in the HOF. But Bonds, McGuire, and Clemens are absolutes.

  • @dnice4145
    @dnice4145 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Love what Bonds did during that amazing stretch steroids or not. He was phenomenal. It's like the 100 meter race in track, they're all doing something most have been suspended at one point in their careers. But I do not care, I want to see the fastest times, the most home runs etc.

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then you’re not a real sports fan. Real fans cherish records that were set legitimately. Babe Ruth’s and Hank Aaron’s home run records were legendary and part of that is because they were done naturally. What point is it to break sacred records if you’re cheating to do it? Do ya all have any integrity like damn.

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว

      You just want a league full of cyborgs. Sorry but it’s hard to relate to that but I can relate to a human being working their butt off to accomplish something naturally. I guess today that is considered antiquated 🤷‍♂️
      Who do we want our kids to emulate in sports? Cyborgs? Hard to relate to that. PED users? Not my kids.

  • @adwhite9412
    @adwhite9412 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Bond.. Hall of Fame!! No questions about it 💯

  • @kapo2012fb
    @kapo2012fb ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Bonds was already 400 Homers in when started the juice

  • @thomascrawford2007
    @thomascrawford2007 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bonds is one of the greatest hitters on or off the juice the sport has ever seen, but with it he was superman. Absolute Hall of Famer.

  • @Milan_N13
    @Milan_N13 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bonds deserved to be in the hall of fame just for the first half of his career and he didnt use PEDs during that time in his career.

  • @ExtraVictory
    @ExtraVictory ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Rob has literally said before that his BBWAA vote is his most precious possession moreso than if he ever had a kid lmfao. You gotta respect that level of dedication and love for baseball

  • @terrellbaker1660
    @terrellbaker1660 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Barry Bonds is the total best baseball player ever. Period.

    • @sting114
      @sting114 ปีที่แล้ว

      Negative. Bonds can’t strike batter out like shoei

    • @terrellbaker1660
      @terrellbaker1660 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sting114 If he were a pitcher he would. LOL.

    • @leebruce3340
      @leebruce3340 ปีที่แล้ว

      Babe Ruth

    • @terrellbaker1660
      @terrellbaker1660 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@leebruce3340 Babe Ruth did not make great defensive plays like Bonds. He just hit home runs in an era of non-athletic players.

    • @someperson8151
      @someperson8151 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@terrellbaker1660Babe Ruth was a dominant pitcher before he became a full time hitter. Winning World Series with the Red Sox.

  • @sebastianpedone7209
    @sebastianpedone7209 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Si, es el mejor jugador que vi en mi vida, si no esta en el salon de la fama entonces el salon de la fama no vale nada.

  • @mackenzieyoung5306
    @mackenzieyoung5306 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Rob Parker back after another vacation I see smh😂

  • @davidangeron3365
    @davidangeron3365 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    YES!!! I used to watch the race between Barry and McGwire and Sosa!!! Loved the ball leaving the Stadium into the Ocean to be retrieved by Boaters!!!

    • @sodiman10
      @sodiman10 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was only Sosa and McGwire

  • @RobertTaylor87
    @RobertTaylor87 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bonds basically had TWO hall of fame careers. The greatest hitter I've ever seen, and there will never be another player as dominant. 7 MVPs. The most feared player of all time!

  • @slytherben
    @slytherben ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Look at the extraordinary longevity of Nolan Ryan, look at the insanity of Bo Jackson, or Michael Jordan never sleeping, look at Barkley in 1990 and later in 1992 - his body transformed. To me 1990-1996 was the era when athletes exploded. Oh and don't forget every bodybuilder - ever

    • @MichaelThompson-qt1iy
      @MichaelThompson-qt1iy ปีที่แล้ว

      My take on this whole PED issue is that it's medical science if it can used safety while being monitored allow whoever wants to use it take it. HGH is can be good for athletes recovering from injuries. And help those naturally smaller to be able to match up with their larger opponents.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol the NBA testing is a joke nowadays and this is the most stringent tests ever for them
      Makes you think what people were getting up to in the 90s lol
      And this is even before EPO usage which would be *very* useful for basketball

    • @davidchandler6885
      @davidchandler6885 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1thing with MBA is though they are tracked since they were young so can tell if they suddenly changed MJ barley didn't change anything

    • @davidchandler6885
      @davidchandler6885 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1they were freak althetes sanevkid now u can see them young so NBA has much less steroid use it be to noticable for the gane

    • @poocrayon4588
      @poocrayon4588 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Recently I watched the Bulls vs Portland 92 series and the body types and explosiveness in that series are off the charts compared to even 4 years earlier. Even compared to today there's multiple players with a huge explosive power and body type that is unusual.

  • @Kenkoopa44
    @Kenkoopa44 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't watch much baseball but you guys make fantastic points! Love the authenticity as always!

  • @jamesbingham1007
    @jamesbingham1007 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another great debate fellas. Way to take a look at both sides.

  • @justicebediako6181
    @justicebediako6181 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This guys @Chris and Rob are some of the few broadcasters left with real journalistic integrity. They say it as they see it.

  • @antzking8935
    @antzking8935 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It shouldn’t even be a question. Yes.

  • @fatesgates8393
    @fatesgates8393 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The 2004 Red Sox had 2 juicers in the heart of their lineup (Manny Ramirez & David Ortiz).

    • @stevey297
      @stevey297 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the late 90s and early 2000s Yankees had multiple juicers also your point 😂💯

    • @shredacademy6170
      @shredacademy6170 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevey297the point is all of them are in the HOF but Barry

  • @BrokeMillionaire1
    @BrokeMillionaire1 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A Hall of Fame without Barry Bonds is not a legitimate Hall of Fame.

  • @EricMrRareAir
    @EricMrRareAir ปีที่แล้ว +11

    whoever brings up the Steroid use clearly just doesn’t like Bonds! a bunch of guys were using at that time (Canseco, McGwire, Sosa) fair is fair 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @universe-ie2mk
      @universe-ie2mk ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Right and none of them should be in.

    • @projectgraham414
      @projectgraham414 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah those guys shouldn't be in either

    • @alphadog3586
      @alphadog3586 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But those players you named aren't in the hall of fame either and it's been noted its due to their steroid use.

    • @TimCarter
      @TimCarter ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheaters don't get in. If you want to cheat and win, get into politics.

  • @Thaeffintruth
    @Thaeffintruth ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Agreed with all of this! Barry Bonds needs to be in the Hall of Fame immediately!

  • @chelseadelon9628
    @chelseadelon9628 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As someone who has never watched baseball heavy when bonds was going for the hr record I was watching for weeks

  • @dogecoinbrothermouzone2500
    @dogecoinbrothermouzone2500 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    BONDS & PETE ROSE WITH HIS 4200 HITS 3 BATTING TITLES 3 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIPS WORLD SERIES MVP SHOULD BOTH BE IN THE MLB HALL OF FAME 💯💯🤞🏿

  • @kennywayne1588
    @kennywayne1588 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Much needed first ballot HOF!

  • @borisslager1906
    @borisslager1906 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Barry bonds was the greatest player of his generation. That is a hall of famer

  • @FuzzyStayBuzzin183
    @FuzzyStayBuzzin183 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    David Ortiz is in the damn Hall of Fame He was on the juice

    • @charleynewman4783
      @charleynewman4783 ปีที่แล้ว

      Different peds and it was an accident I believe

  • @alg_bails
    @alg_bails ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Steroids were being used in the early 80's by most WWF wrestlers. So it wasn't something people didn't know about.

    • @anthonytaylor7928
      @anthonytaylor7928 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bad comparison because wwe is scripted

    • @alg_bails
      @alg_bails ปีที่แล้ว

      my point is, even small children in school knew the benefits of what steroids did for pro athletes long before they banned them in baseball. it wasn't some top secret strategy that only Barry Bonds knew about. It wasn't made illegal until the 2000's.

  • @ricomusic1619
    @ricomusic1619 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You see Rob put that phone up for them baseball topics 😂

  • @enigmathegrayman2953
    @enigmathegrayman2953 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Without looking at this video all the way the answer is YES and throw in Pete Rose while you’re at it!!!

    • @floydjr1478
      @floydjr1478 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pete was my boy growing up. But gambling is different. It tampers with authenticity of the results of games. It corrupts the sport itself.

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait what? So you’re cool with PEDs but not gambling? They both have the potential to change the outcome of a game. Cheating is cheating fellas, what are we in like 3rd grade?

  • @exterminateallsimps1
    @exterminateallsimps1 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Yes he should he in the Hall, he's the 🐐.

  • @johnorth5275
    @johnorth5275 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Way to go Rob and Chris!! Bonds should be in the hall of fame for all of the reasons you discussed. Clemens, Sosa and McGuire should be in as well. Bonds was hands down the best!

  • @billandbear
    @billandbear ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Barry Bonds is the single most dominant player in team sports that I've ever seen and that includes Michael Jordan.....not the greatest winner which would be MJ....but the most dominant within their sport......

  • @bootsy7
    @bootsy7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He wasn't just knocking it out of the park he was crushing the ball I've never seen nothing like that

  • @jessbecerra6327
    @jessbecerra6327 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    So we’re just going to ignore the fact that rob parker won’t vote Tom Brady into the hall of fame because of deflated footballs but will look the other way when Barry Bonds uses steroids??

    • @chrisallen3333
      @chrisallen3333 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lol that's a good one

    • @mitch_the_-itch
      @mitch_the_-itch ปีที่แล้ว

      Barry Bonds was never proven to have taken steroids nor has he ever admitted it. It was proven to have lied to some low level Govt bureaucrat.

    • @Los150
      @Los150 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You already know Rob Parker plays favorites. When it comes to guys like Brady, LeBron etc it doesn’t matter what they accomplished

    • @f58534
      @f58534 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Because deflating footballs are against the rules 😂

    • @Someone_VIP
      @Someone_VIP ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol. I think Rob is actually just joking about Brady. Anyone who thinks Brady is not a HOF is an idiot and should not be talking about sports. Pretty sure Rob is just trolling Brady per his usual take.

  • @KillemAllCoop
    @KillemAllCoop ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm going to save this video so I can remember all of Rob's points when this conversation comes up in the future. He nailed it 😂

  • @hfontanez98
    @hfontanez98 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bonds should be in. Period. If "everyone" was using is some fashion, was it really an advantage? Second, I always suspected that the first players to get on steroids during that era were the pitchers. Remember, before the HR kings there were the freak strikeout, high-heat pitchers like Rob Dibble. I always suspected him of being on something before any other player.
    To the point of Pudge losing 40 pounds... This is not as far-fetched as this dude makes it out to be. I did it myself. In 2004, when I was 36 years old, I went from nearly 240 pounds to about 182 in about 5 and a half months by eating nothing but soups and salads, cutting out alcohol and sodas, and walking about 4 miles every day. So for an athlete like Pudge to claim he did the same is not as stretch. You can suspect he was on the juice and probably be right, but that doesn't mean that his story isn't real either. In my case, in case you are wondering if I got weaker by the "rapid" weight loss, the answer is no. I was able to walk those 4 miles at a decent pace (in little over an hour) and I used to do over 1,000 ab crunches and still work a regular 8-hour job.

  • @hw5091
    @hw5091 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    They were all taking gas, even if the 70's. Hell, even in the 60's bodybuilders were taking. Go back further, and Russian Olympians were taking. EVERYONE HAS BEEN TAKING FOR DECADES. And don't let anyone fool you into thinking they are not taking anymore. They still are.

    • @Udanoob
      @Udanoob ปีที่แล้ว

      As long as there are competitive sports athletes will do whatever it takes to gain an advantage. Might as well legalize it. I don’t like it but it seems like everyone is doing it now so if you can’t control it might as well safely regulate its use. I guess I just wish people had some freaking integrity and cared about the history of the sport, the integrity of the sport, and the legendary records we all cherished when we were kids. I guess if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em. That’s sad.

    • @hw5091
      @hw5091 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Udanoob that's how it is, my grandma recently confessed she's been on the steam so she could compete in her bridge league week after week. Anybody thinking otherwise is a fool.

  • @ray-ow3uk
    @ray-ow3uk ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Rob back from load management already? Lol

    • @soda8736
      @soda8736 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chris going out on load management tomorrow and Friday

  • @obadiahplainman8897
    @obadiahplainman8897 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Barry is the greatest hitter I ever saw.

  • @keltonscott734
    @keltonscott734 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For the Record Bobby Bonds was Built Hit 332 Home Runs and Stole a Ton of Bases with 914 Walks 75 intentional. They don't know what Supplements Ruth, Maris, Ted Williams, and Harmon Killebrew were taking in that Era. Barry Bonds was Awesome, and the Scariest Hitter That Ever Stood in the Box Flat Out.

  • @madboyreadynow28
    @madboyreadynow28 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Pete Rose needs to be in the Hall also.

    • @universe-ie2mk
      @universe-ie2mk ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely not. Once he lied the second time i feel no sympathy for him. He broke the cardinal sin at least with the PED users they didnt have to test yet.

    • @leebruce3340
      @leebruce3340 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@universe-ie2mk Exactly. Pete is a POS for that 2nd lie and then he ghosted the hearing a no show FOH with Pete

  • @Davis_Jr
    @Davis_Jr ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Barry Bonds one of the greatest players ever. Absolutely he’s a HOF

  • @jmovjmov
    @jmovjmov ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think that the reason some guys have been targeted, is their attitude towards the steroid investigations. So it was more a character ban.
    But at the end of the day, you guys are right.

  • @Diggerdog2nd
    @Diggerdog2nd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agreed with your views before but you made some great new points here I hadn't thought of. I don't think the writers should make the decisions about the Hall because if they were offended by someone like Bonds,Albert Belle, Shilling or possibly Delgado had HOF careers, they keep them out. Which is childish. It's about what they did on the field. And what Rose did playing harder than anyone should trump what he did (betting not throwing a game) when his playing days were over.

  • @irvingzeistman9828
    @irvingzeistman9828 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Curt schilling should be a hall of famer but he’s being denied because of his political views which is ridiculous.

  • @seanzibonanzi64
    @seanzibonanzi64 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love him or hate him, Bonds breaking the home run record was must watch TV and those juice years were the most culturally relevant I've ever seen the MLB. Chicks dig the long ball.

  • @Jmurda1983
    @Jmurda1983 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The funny thing is Bonds only hit over 50 home runs once (73)

    • @dennisburdine5569
      @dennisburdine5569 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great stat

    • @jdstox1
      @jdstox1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      hank aaron NEVER hit 50

    • @mndflctzn
      @mndflctzn ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He averaged more than 34 per year for 22 years. Let that sink in. And led in walks at the same time.

    • @obadiahplainman8897
      @obadiahplainman8897 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They didn’t pitch to him enough.

  • @bluffroadron
    @bluffroadron ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The real reason Bonds is not in the HOF is that reporters found their interactions with him distasteful, but Ty Cobb had no problems getting in.

  • @BatmanBoss
    @BatmanBoss ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It’s not even a question! He’s the greatest

  • @RandySmith-iz1ml
    @RandySmith-iz1ml ปีที่แล้ว

    Everything you guys are sharing is exactly why I can barely even look at baseball standings anymore, let alone a game. And I won't be able to watch them again until they put Bonds & Clemons in the HOF.

  • @oogabooga1023
    @oogabooga1023 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Life long Dodgers fan here! I hate the Giants but Bonds was one of my favorite players ever.

  • @kdubb2995
    @kdubb2995 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The crazy part is that he never tested positive for steroids. His name was on the Biogenesis ledger, but so were the initials LJ. The media won't touch that though.

    • @tuttlespeachtree3413
      @tuttlespeachtree3413 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who is LJ please, I can't figure it out?

    • @BeefPapa
      @BeefPapa ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@tuttlespeachtree3413
      It's Larry Johnson. Grandmama from the hornets.

    • @MarcusTheJR
      @MarcusTheJR ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm a fan of LJ. And that cash cow won't ever be stopped

    • @tuttlespeachtree3413
      @tuttlespeachtree3413 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BeefPapa thanks!

    • @kdubb2995
      @kdubb2995 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BeefPapa Larry Johnson had already retired by then, so it is not him and you know it.

  • @davidangeron3365
    @davidangeron3365 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YES!!! Put him in!!! Tell me which is the CLEAN period. Performance enhancement may have been at Munich Olympic Games in 1938!!

  • @tristalacour2492
    @tristalacour2492 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He’s the best hitter ever - let’s get real! MLB HOF is a farce!

    • @cjfrm3658
      @cjfrm3658 ปีที่แล้ว

      He can't get it now

  • @raytewell7067
    @raytewell7067 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bonds hit the ball like nobody ever did. The Achilles heel of baseball, the intentional walk was exposed. Put him in.

  • @teeb1980
    @teeb1980 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    His work and stats with the pirates alone was worthy of HoF

  • @yourfellowman11
    @yourfellowman11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes. The only reason why Bonds isn't a HoFer is because his perception among media members. This was made all the more apparent when Ortiz got in.

  • @dcott7071
    @dcott7071 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think what people forget too is Clemens and Bonds weren’t liked by the media. Also, add in how vilified Clemens was too for throwing the piece of bat at Piazza and then the affair with his babysitter? It’s less about steroids and it’s personal revenge for a lot of these voters

  • @keithgardner4505
    @keithgardner4505 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree 100%. I think Rafael Palmeiro also needs to be in HOF.

  • @anthonytownsend7403
    @anthonytownsend7403 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great idea with two down to earth people great show

  • @DemetriusGresham
    @DemetriusGresham ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow!!! I didn’t know any of this history! I’ve always thought Barry didn’t belong in the HOF… I have to rethink this…

  • @louischapman87317
    @louischapman87317 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes! This shouldn't even be a question anymore. And it sucks he isn't. Had a hof career before the juice.

  • @ravenshield7823
    @ravenshield7823 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can't hold a player accountable for what the game allowed. For some reason, when it comes to wrestling, I don't really care, but there is supposed to be integrity in professional sports. The whole era is a wash and it's impossible to pick and choose whose achievements are valid. Baseball became wrestling in the sense that it was no longer a professional sport, and it was only a form of entertainment. No integrity, no respect, and without respect, your achievements are only ego-based numbers.

  • @cuts240
    @cuts240 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hundreds of reasons -- he is 200% better than his father ( who is in HoF)-- it is disgusting shame and personal

  • @johnjohnsonjohn
    @johnjohnsonjohn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bonds is the goat. Having said that, men who were great players around the era and with no suspicion surrounding them got shafted and were either one and done on HoF ballots or have just been overlooked because of the video game numbers that were being put up, making them look pedestrian by comparison. Berkman, Giles, Abreu come to mind. McGriff got it the worst but got his due. Walker just barely got by

    • @chickenfkeryay
      @chickenfkeryay ปีที่แล้ว

      Walker got hurt by coors field. I loved mcgriff but i feel hes a weak hof inductee.

    • @someperson8151
      @someperson8151 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kenny Lofton. That guy stayed scrawny his entire career. Sammy Sosa was scrawny like Lofton when he played for the Rangers and the White Sox. He ballooned in Chicago. He's listed at 6'0" 160 pounds in Basebal Reference.

  • @Los150
    @Los150 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not even a question…yes.

  • @ozapata1977
    @ozapata1977 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sosa,McGwire,Palmeiro,Clemens,
    Bonds
    Get them in the HOF

  • @texrex3
    @texrex3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When you go to court and win, it’s no longer about the perception of people. He proved his case and should be in the Hall.

    • @someperson8151
      @someperson8151 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Black Sox won their court case also. They're still banned.

    • @keltonscott734
      @keltonscott734 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🎯💯

  • @gypsybrother-z8q
    @gypsybrother-z8q 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My understanding is that the juice makes you stronger and quicker, but I've had several high level athletes tell me that it effects the eyes, as well. Eyes are muscles. His vision appeared to be off the charts... Loved watching Bonds! Put him in the hall. Pete, too.

  • @BowlerJ1
    @BowlerJ1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guys, let's end the debate about Bonds and everybody else who is not in the HOF but has the credentials to be there. Another facility needs to be erected. Call it the Hall of Shame. Put in there a bust of every player who should be in the HOF but disgraced themselves in some way that prevented them from being inducted. Each bust should have its head hanging down, the lighting in the room should be dimmed and the ceiling should have a mural of dark clouds painted on it. This way these great athlete's accomplishments on the field are finally recognized but, in a way, so that their shame and the disgrace they brought to the game is recognized as well.

  • @forzendikar9908
    @forzendikar9908 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good talk guys, agree with you both 100%. Hopefully they make it right.

  • @johnspaulding9796
    @johnspaulding9796 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I played baseball because of Jackie Robinson. He made the way for us to play everything he went through. That’s why I love the game.

  • @salvatoresultana4058
    @salvatoresultana4058 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like how it says debate when it’s not a debate.

  • @thebrickleycollection2281
    @thebrickleycollection2281 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gentleman,
    I have seen alot of commentary on this issue over the years, this by far is the best segment there has been, you might as well shut the Hall of Fame down if Bonds is not in it. If all the writers that vote watch this how could you not vote him in. Its simple are his stats valid.. yes. Was he ever suspended by baseball .. no. Thats all you can go by period.
    The only aspect I think missed in your segment is he was not a media or writers darling , it became personal and not based on his resume. Saw Bonds play live alot and he is the only player that the venders stopped in their tracks to watch him hit, and the sound it made when he did…. Vote him in…. Be well fellas

  • @Stopphating
    @Stopphating ปีที่แล้ว

    I would literaly wait and watch the commercials when it said bonds was due up next before commercial break as a kid, its like he hit a HR every time they didnt walk him insane skill and power

  • @Sunday_Swagger
    @Sunday_Swagger ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here’s the problem…those PEDs helped keep his bat speed late into his career. Which made his routine fly outs into Bay home runs. He didn’t need the steroids to be a HOF, that’s the Pathetic part. & he refuses to take accountability.

  • @abgodsson1585
    @abgodsson1585 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes. End of debate

  • @davidherman564
    @davidherman564 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I consider him a Hall of Famer without even a doubt.

  • @craigpowell7916
    @craigpowell7916 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Barry Bonds deserves to be in the hall of Fame! No question! Don't care what anyone says! He was a great player before the alleged steroid use!

    • @TimCarter
      @TimCarter ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then why did a limping Sid Bream scored the winning run of the 1992 NLCS from 2nd, on a single hit directly to Bonds? Bonds couldn't even get the ball to home plate.

  • @matthewvaroz4812
    @matthewvaroz4812 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great take

  • @SharkOrDie
    @SharkOrDie ปีที่แล้ว

    I played baseball on a very high level in the 90’s and everyone I played with was on steroids college and minor leagues! Baseball scouts and coaches encouraged players to use steroids inadvertently!

    • @JimBrave-ri1oc
      @JimBrave-ri1oc ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting, Where would they get them.

  • @jimmason2080
    @jimmason2080 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't forget that Barry despised the same baseball press that used to bash his father...These sportswriters were a joke!!!

  • @joeycastro3515
    @joeycastro3515 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why doesn’t anyone talk about David Ortiz? He was a teammate of Manny Rameriz and he was also named in the Mitchell Report!!

  • @chi-townlowend1812
    @chi-townlowend1812 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s a crime that Bonds is not in the H.O.F 😡😡