Rob Parker Agrees With Mark McGwire, Baseball has Been Unfair to Steroid Era Players
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss if baseball essentially refusing to acknowledge steroid-era players is unfair, considering what those players achieved and contributed at every level. Mark McGwire had something to say about it and Rob Parker agrees!
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Love how passionate Rob gets about baseball.
agree
Agreed 100%... unless the topic is Ohtani 😭😭😆
@@bern717 🤣
U can hear the saliva in his mouth when speaks on baseball
@@z-mane1438lmao
They let David Ortiz in the HOF but not Bonds? Wtf.
Ortiz smiled for the cameras and was nice to reporters. Bonds didn't and wasn't. Simple.
@@fudgematthew33 thats a weak reason and it's not simple.
@ismokehiphopclips I disagree. Reporters can be petty, like everyone else. Are they supposed to be objective? Sure. But they're human beings. And human beings have biases. The fact that Ortiz is perceived as a good guy and the three championships he won in Boston made everyone forget about the PED use. Is that fair? No, but it's reality.
@@fudgematthew33 I agree with you on that part...I thought you were saying it's ok that they do that.
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Thank you Rob for saying something about that era that is totally true. How does the MLB & the press selectively punish athletes of that time but fully benefit financially from it all while it happened all the while getting off Scott free? Just put an asterisk on everyone from that era, all records broken/made during that time & move forward.
IF THEY DIDNT TEST FOR IT THEN HOW DID THEY CHEAT IS MY QUESTION
Also can’t be cheating if everyone else was doing it and the MLB knew for a while about it.
@@davyjones7177mlb only cared about the money
Because they admitted also David Ortiz did it he is in the hall of fame
If they didn't do something wrong then why are they like McGwire apologizing???? I say why he did wrong & he knew it.
I'll never forget the year Big Mac and Sosa chased the record. It was one of the greatest baseball summers ever. I rarely watch baseball now.
That's one of the only times I've ever thought baseball was awesome & must see TV. To shun the players, then induct Managers & Selig into the Hall who oversaw that era, is the ultimate slap in the face.
That was the only time I watched. I wanted to be Ken Griffey Jr
same here
Greatest Season ever!
Rob made a great point at the end when he said that the hitters were also facing pitchers that used steroids.
I don’t know man…feels wrong to keep all these guys out of the HOF because of steroids and “cheating the game.” Yet, not a single player suspended on the Astros team that literally committed the ultimate sin of cheating in the World Series.
So did the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers, but it just so happens that they were protected by the MLB and the national media. The question is are the Astros cheating now and if they are where's your proof?
You're not wrong at all.
Baseball has always been a joke (concerning cheaters). The Hall is literally littered with cheaters, many who openly admit they cheated.
David Ortiz got in & he tested positive
Nobody got suspended because sign stealing was an unwritten part of the dam game of baseball… every dam team has done it and got away with it.. probably even UR team at some point in time…on the flip side…… not every player has done steroids……
Keep hatin on the Stros but can’t say nothing bout last years chip though… oh and we going for another one !!!
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@@chrismena832TX that may be true, but specific steroids werent’t illegal in the 90’s. Why should select players who got outed for taking them, confessed to taking them or never got caught at all but just accused for using them be punished? Seems biased to me. 🤷🏻♂️
Bud Selig is in the Hall of fame. He knew all this was happening when the games was struggling.
Bud Selig is also a Crook to get away to get in the Hall of Fame to screw the players over…
And he’s responsible to allow steroids to happen quite frankly it was no rules. The players are not the blame. Bud Selig is..
What's really hypothetical about the MLB on the steroids issue is that the league rode the wave of all the home run hitting during that time. They made ghastly amounts of money featuring McGuire, Sosa, Bonds.
Bud Selig, Joe Torre and Tony Larussa are in the HOF. Yankees not Red Sox definitely didn’t give back their World Series trophies.
@dds_que7472 the Chicago Cubs, St. Louis Cardinals and the San Francisco Giants didn't give any money back. The '98 home run chase and Bonds chasing Hank Aaron put fannies in seats. MLB and TV networks made money. Everyone enjoyed the show. To condemn the players now for rules that weren't in place then is hypocritical.
@@fudgematthew33 Nobody did. Its grandstanding at its finest and baseball is dying because of it. The baseball hall of fame is essentially irrelevant. Older writers and players have refused to push the game forward and baseball is ignored by the younger generation that doesn’t play it. It’s unfortunate because baseball is a great game.
The same people literally voted for Barry Bonds to win the MVP 4 years in a row from 01 to 04. But now they want to keep him from the hall. It's disgraceful.
@dds_que7472 - The MLB miscalculated when they decided to favor foreign born non-White talent over American-born Black talent. The foreign players are very skilled and talented. But they do not have the style and charisma of Black American athletes. None of them have the appeal of Reggie Jackson, Ricky Henderson, Darryl Strawberry, Ken Griffey Jr., Ozzie Smith, etc. Reggie, Ricky, Griffey Jr. we're not only great. But they also said and did things that captured the attention. Whether you loved or hated them, you had to watch and even listen to them.
Dude said he went from 49 to the 30s like 30 home runs is not alot of HR. CB Mark been a HR hitter rob Parker is right
Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa HR chase definitely increased viewership. That era kinda saved baseball
Bonds is arguably the greatest overall hitter ever, but PEDS helped him also get to 70 also. He was able to recover quickly through a 162 game season. Bonds never hit 40 until he left for SF. Still should be in the HOF with Pete Rose and manger Billy Martin
True. Only Ted Williams is on par with bonds as a hitter.
Never failed a test
PED Era = Attitude Era in WWF
Best time to be a fan. Change my mind!
I wish people were this passionate about Tim Donaghy and other refs rigging NBA games
Agree 100% with you
Unreal that Rob is promoting dishonesty.... wow.
90's NBA players were obviously juicing as well. Watch the early 90's bulls.
They literally saved baseball...... It was a terrific era
If it takes cheating to save any legacy sport then it means it was probably time for it to die. What's saving the sport now? Less folks using "roids" in the majors now as opposed to then. So what is it? Talent? We had that in any era of the sport. Let me know because major league attendance is down across the board, collegiately a bit of a different story but go for it bruh bruh.
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Fingers saved baseball
Ken Griff saved baseball
Bruce saved baseball
Albert saved baseball
Heck the pitch clock saved baseball 🤣
Steroids aren't needed to save baseball you're better than that.
Keep your steroids I'll take a club who'll let the pitcher throw for 7 innings with a 100+ pitch count.
That's what a lot of people don't want to admit. Say what you want about McGwire and Sammy Sosa, but they saved the game. Period.
They really did because it had gotten boring to be honest
Well said Rob. Hats off. Put the guys in the hall of fame.
My issue with the steroid era was never with the players who used or the managers and front office who benefited. It is with the media . They didn’t care about PEDs until media pariah Barry bonds began annihilating records. Then it’s “oh we have a problem.”
Ken caminiti and Jose canseco both said roids were rampant in the game.
One of your best takes of all time Rob. The depth that this goes isn’t talked about. They are just looking for scapegoats.
Rob spittin....his baseball knowledge is superb 👌🏾
Told that boy to write a diet book 😂😂😂
Not only did Bonds go to Federal court and win his case, but no documents or proof of his alleged Steroid use has ever been provided, only unsubstantiated conjecture. Baseball has succeeded in ruining it's Hall of Fame and making it irrelevant by missing it's greatest power hitter, the player with the most hits, and it's best power pitcher.
Roger Clemens was trash zero no hitters
@@charleynewman4783 Clemens has a record 7 Cy Young Awards. He also led the league in victories four times, in ERA 7 times and in strikeouts 5 times. One of the all-time greatest pitching careers, not just one over rated no-hitter game. You calling those numbers trash bro?
I have an issue that baseball and its writers have an issue with this era. They weren't complaining when the money rolled in. They didnt complain when it saved the game after the 1994 strike. They didn't complain about the attention the homerun race between Sosa and Mcgwire. And to play dumb that the league and it writers didnt have an idea it was going on until the Mitchell report? Or the random testing that was supposted to stay private? If you have issues with the era then return the money made during it. If not put Sosa, Bonds, Clemons, Mcwire and the others in. In my opinion you cant have it both ways
Exactly, they let Ortiz in, and his name was on the Mitchell report
I'm not into baseball but growing up watching him and sosa was great.. people used to say that era saved baseball
It was cheating to use anabolic steroids. I loved Mark McGwire as a kid. I loved the race between him and Sosa. I was heartbroken when I learned they juiced. And so did a lot of pitchers. MLB is corrupt. They knew it was happening. Now they shun the guys who made the league grow. I don't feel too bad for Big Mac or Bonds or Sosa or anyone cheating who don't make the HOF. Mark is deceiving himself if he think he was hitting 60 or 70 without steroids. He was a 30-49 guy with injuries and then he hit 50+ and then 70 and went from a lean strong hitter to looking like The Rock does today. Some for Bonds and others. I don't think u can tell the story of baseball without Pete Rose either, or the White Sox team from 1919...that doesn't mean they all necessarily belong in the HOF. I think it is VERY fair of Rob Parker to point out MLBs inconsistency and hypocrisy on this issue. Many managers in the steroid era with championships are in the HOF, many pitchers and popular players made it in too. But some guys are getting selectively shunned for life and it's unfair as hell. So I am not saying they deserve the HOF but they should not be treated badly by MLB who knew and profited.
MLB let the players juice , bring ratings back up ,brought fans back to baseball and brought billions to the MLB... and now they turn they're back on those exact players of that Era. But nothing to be surprised about here its the American Way 🇺🇸 . Greed and Money rule our land and nothing will ever change that
That was a good read. Keep going
Pete rose should have been a first ballot hall of famer. He did all his gambling on baseball as a manager
@@brocklanders9259exactly, Pete Rose should be in as a player, Dusty Baker will be a HOF, Joe Torree is a HOF, based off managerial careers, not careers as a player, it's a shame
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McGuire should be in the Hall of Fame
I don't see the big deal with it , if what Rob Parker just said is true, i never knew more pitcher's were on it than hitters, if this is true than Barry Bonds belongs in Hall of Fame, the way it was franed the hitters had this big advantage over the pitchers, which is BS to me, you still have to hit a 90 to 100 mile and hour ball coming at you ,
from 96 to 03 the steroid era is what got me to watch baseball as a kid has down one of the dopest era's in the sports history
I think (95-04)
Definitely the DOPEst era of all time!
You're fifteen. You weren't alive
Gary Sheffield was like a right handed Barry Bonds
Gary Sheffield was no Barry Bonds.
I thought Mark wasn’t here to talk about the past?
If you're going to let McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, and Rodriguez into the Hall of Fame, you have to let guys who were clean and had great numbers but got overshadowed by the aforementioned into the Hall of Fame first.
Mark maguire and Barry bonds was juggernaut’s they will always be first ballet hall of famers in my mind 💯🦾
Nope
If McGwire didn’t think it was wrong then he never would said I’m not here to talk about the past
After the strike, fans did not return to baseball. The steroid era saved baseball, and the MLB 100% knew it was going on. Let these guys in.
Steriods is like a barenuckle fight but one guy has Brass Nuckles
In my lifetime that was the best Era of baseball
Bonds and Mcguire should both be in hof
And rose
Wait a minute, the brother said he "didn't need to do it". Then my question if I was the interviewer would have been, if you didn't need to use steroids then why did you use them? Where is the f'ing pushback?
My thoughts exactly! If there were no benefits, you would have never taken them.
And what did he apologize for if he didn't do anything wrong??
Steroids are often used for recovery purposes
If they were no rules against steroids why did they lie about taking it
Rob never been more right fr fr
Its crazy that all those guys arent in. The leauge was roided up anyways. Those guys should have gone in first ballot
What is the "unfairness" that McGwire referred to? Is it the suspension of players, the HOF banning, or the shunning from the general public?
If he's speaking from the perspective of players being fined, suspended, etc. by the league, I'd agree with him that the rules did not exist on paper so they can't be penalized.
If McGwire is referring to public perception, no one can help him on that one. People don't respect those that are dishonorable. That's life. You can't sucker punch someone and then whine when the crowd doesn't cheer for you. No one is going to respect you even if there were no rules in the fight. If McGwire didn't need the PEDs, why take it? It ENHANCED his performance. That's what it does. That's not to say he couldn't hit HRs without it. I'm just saying it's unlikely he would've hit 70 without it.
The HOF do what they do. I'd agree they're inconsistent and biased. They banned Bonds but not David Ortiz. I would like to see some nuance in how players are judged individually. I know that is difficult thing to do.
I conclusion, we can't justify recent nonsense by stating what supposedly happened in the 70s. "Well everyone was doing it" is never a good response. That sounds childish. Unfortunately, when there is a an issue anywhere in corporate America or in regular day to day life, a few are always selected to be the example. We punish the few to deter others. It happens everywhere. I say expose all players on the Mitchell list but I understand why MLB would not do that. That would be bad for business.
Mike Piazza admitted to using Andro in his 2015 autobiography, I’m just leaving it out there.
Is that steroids
@@charleynewman4783 it's the same thing McGwire used.
Yeah they save the game and it was fun to watch plus they didn’t break no rules smh
As a STL native. Everywhere in the city was riding the race to 70 home runs. Chicks dig the long ball
sammy also corked his bat lol
Right but Rob didn't vote for Kurt Schilling
Rob Parker knows baseball but some of his takes just like a lot of his other takes for beyond comprehension. I mean he's just saying it to get attention because any person in the right mind wouldn't believe most of what he says
Curt is a hall of famer. Its politics and his big mouth that keeps him out.
The sports media phrased mark and Sammy when they were hitting those home runs putting baseball back on the map,
exactly bunch of hypocrites
Mark & Sosa! That was the Greatest Season baseball ever had! 💯
I haven't watched MLB for 13 years and haven't missed it. The handling of the steroid era players is only part of it. The Astros were the final nail in the coffin, but the problems go on long before that. Pete Rose being banned from baseball, yet invited to the All-Star Game when it was in Cincinnati. Joe West, Angel Hernandez, and far too many umpires seeking the spotlight when I shouldn't know who they are. Shoeless Joe Jackson not being reinstated and put in the HOF where he belongs, even though the findings show clearly he didn't throw the 1919 World Series. Teams tanking to leave cities. Now, the games are shorter than ever and more expensive to attend than ever; 81 games on the schedule and one seat in the right field bleachers of Dodger Stadium against a last-place team is $80. You can have it; I've been done.
The records being broken by multiple players was unprecedented back then.
SO many guys hitting 40, 50, 60 HRs.
So we can’t just view it like the segregation era, mound change, etc.
Yes and No I mean those guys In the segregated league wasn't facing the best All times even back then u had people Who knew The Negro league had players who were better than the top half of MLB pitchers Ourfielders and Bats. what would've some guys numbers looked like if they actually let Everyone Play
@@LibraLee88 the level of competition was elevated by integration for sure.
But we didn’t see gross record breaking like we say in the steroid error.
The steroid era players saved baseball from becoming irrelevant. Now that the steroids are out for good, baseball on the verge of for sure going irrelevant
MARK MCGWIRE .. GARY SHEFFIELD .. BARRY BONDS .. MANNY RAMIREZ .. ALEX RODRIGUEZ .. RAFAEL PALMEIRO .. ROGER CLEMENS .. ARE ALL MLB ⚾ HALL OF FAMERS ..
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During the steroid era baseball hit an all time low! Fans weren't attending mlb games the same way as nfl & nba! No matter what people say the guys saved the game of baseball!!! Once they started hitting bombs, people started coming back to watch mlb games. What about all of theses coaches & managers that turned a blind eye to what was going!!!! I bet they all have their plaques on the wall in cooperstown!!
if pple cheated to save the sport, that sport should just be wiped out of the earth man.
so how come that now that it is banned the sport is not dying again?
I was saying it at the time… McGwire was a home run hitter always. He should be in the hall.
I will never understand why people act like steroids give you talent you could take everything from a lab and you still won't be able to hit a ball like barry bonds or mark McGuire or run like Usain Bolt steroids can't make you athletic so people need to stop using the juice as a excuse to keep guys out of the hof because that era to me saved baseball because the sosa vs mark record chase made me a baseball fan forever
Okay so here's where you got it wrong. they got talent you can't make it to the majors without it.
The problem is the roids made the stats artificial. You think bonds would get nearly 700 int walks if the coaching staff knew he wasn't juiced. Gtfoh.
Lol... It changes warning track power to a Honerun... Bonds should be in.. Clemens, mcgwire yes.. They were hof before...yes Chris all those guys needed the juice to blow up the numbers... Hank owns HR record.. They did it for money.. Now they want in the hall too
Kind of hypocritical
Steroids give you a performance advantage. That’s has been proven
Exactly
It’s pure hypocrisy!!!! Put em in the Hall!
I remember back then mlb had the commercials of the players made like superheroes
We live in a baseball world where the fanbase expresses fealty to players who cheated, knew they cheated, didnt get away with it and still what to be immortalized in Cleveland. MM I got love for you but gfys bro.
You karens are the worst thing about sports...save your holy than Tou crap....we don't believe you Karen.
In the 90s ped were legal, mlb retroactive a rule to try a clean up mlb image.
100% correct. Majority (including Rob) are ok with it....... brutal.
@@greggibson33was it in the MLB rule book that it was illegal when they did it
Steroids was banned in 1991
Rob makes zero sense when it comes to Mark 💯💯💯
It's going to be one of those things where 20 years from now, when some of these guys pass away, they will be inducted to The Hall posthumously. 😐
The ending is epic 👑
The segregation argument is apples to oranges. And individual making a decision vs a league rule is not the same
Rob Parker is 100% accurate! This is terrible for these guy’s. Baseball had no problem making money off this era. What a shame
If they say didn’t need to take it why did they take it? 🤷♂️
It's Interesting how David Ortiz gets a pass because he was a media favorite
He didn’t do Steroids he did something else
Yeah I guess if I had a cheat sheet for my exams to get into a good school I shouldn't be treated unfairly and they should just let me in the hall of fame, I mean the college. 😅
What's funny is that Ralphie Palmeiro knew better English than most Americans 😂😂
Here's a compromise: they give up all their records, and, in exchange, we acknowledge them as the best of their generation.
Just write “steroid era” on their plaques or something. It’s ridiculous those cats aren’t in - especially Bonds & Clemens. Yet, Harold Baines is a HoF’er? SMH 🤦♂️
Bonds,mcgwire and Clemons all belong in the hall of fame.
Chris said 30 homers like thats not great
Exactly like Barry Larkin had 36 before
Best era baseball EVER had! 💯
I agree, with Rob 1000 percent
Listen all I'm going to say is steroids don't make you hit them out of a park. Does it give you an edge? Yeah sure, but you still have to have the talent in order to be a high caliber athlete like Mark McGwire was It's a damn shame he's not in the Hall of Fame. He is legit one of the top five power hitters of all time
The problem with the HOF is you either let every great player who did roids in or none of them.
Agreed is doesn’t help your hand eye coordination
@@TheOaklandAthletics1989 Let them in then You can't tell the story of Major League baseball without mentioning Mark Maguire
@@flyguy7825 Yes, there will always be an asterisk right next to his name but he deserves to be a HOFer. Now if he was the only one or got caught x amount of times when the league said none at all. You pay the price, there was never a rule that said don't do it or if you do you're out.
@@flyguy7825 bro you don't need to induct him in order to tell the story of the MLB. bonds retired in '07 mention his name in NorCal you get a steak dinner. Get that crap outta here. That's strike 1 bro.
I will say this. This is what Mark McGwire should have said during his testimony instead of saying he didn’t want to talk about the past.
Barry Definitely needs to be 8n the Hall of fame
N Ortiz name was on da drug list not Bonds
Imagine the guys in the hall that cheated, in various ways. That we DON'T know....Im not a fan of mark but put barry and roger in
exactly baseball is a joke
Nope cheaters for life
Mark clearly deserves it if they do. It's all in or none in
Barry Bonds never said he did steroids
Not true
@@charleynewman4783 Yes true. Only admitted to his trainer misled him, not of purposely taking. Also specifically told a grand jury he never took any.
Funny when these radio guys say c’s is sounds like a cough 😂😂😂😂
Nothing wrong with steroids. Imo. I don’t use them and I don’t think all top athletes use them but it’s a lot of athletes that use them that aren’t even that good.
Make steroids great again! Id actually watch..
You are watching baseball content right now. 😂
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I'm willing to let these guys into the HoF IF they will give up the homerun records. The single HR season record is permanently tainted because of the steroids. Only Judge has hit 62 since Maris. It's astounding. And it's such a shame. Let them in, but they need to acknowledge what they did and give up their records.
Another unwritten rule in baseball lol
The dopers are still trying to get over. None of them belong in the HOF.
Let them in. With all the technology and sports rehab they have now, it’s all designed to enhance performance.
LeBron is celebrated for spending a million dollars a year maintaining his body. You’re telling me he isn’t taking certain meds. And I don’t even mean steroids.
Rob cooked.
Rob in his bag when he’s taking baseball
Mark and Jose still having their 1989 World Series championship rings is weird. Their both admitted cheaters
How can they take they rings back? So they also take every player on they teams ring also?
@@rootofallevi perhaps they should. Tho They didn’t vacate the 2017 Astros title. Or the 1919 Red title ( they won the series against the team who was paid to loose) MLB just randomly picks and chooses who to ostracize
@@maroonporsche it wouldn’t be fair to the players on the team that wasn’t cheating if they just disregard the championship that year.
You Sensitives betta males with your fake outrage always crying about something.
@@maroonporsche It's insane that the Houston Cheatos players weren't hammered for their actions... and Cora is still a manager... totally f*cked up.
The steroids elongated careers for sure but damn it was exciting.
Chicks love the long bat as well !!!
I don't often agree with Rob Parker. But he is absolutely 100% spot on here. Especially when he talks about the segregation era.
Baseball is the most hypocritical sport there is.
So a league rule ( segregation) vs an individual making a decision is the same?
Steroids saved baseball.
This guy
Rob loves him some baseball.
TWO WORDS COME TO MIND. BARRY BONDS😂😂😂. THOSE 70 HOME RUNS CHANGED THE GAME
I remember when Sosa and McGwire were going homer for homer…had
My granny tuned in watchin who knew jack about bb
Trial was so crazy Sosa turned white
you mean he wasn’t david ortiz??
Ken griffin jr an frank thomas was clean player
Rob snappin