Your Gear Isn't Vintage, it's just OLD
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- There's a lot of vintage lenses and camera gear that's better than modern stuff. But sometimes, "vintage" gear is just old. It was never good. Sony vs Blackmagic, Zeiss vs Sony, will Leica and Zeiss team up to make Leiss lenses?
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Not only is my gear old, I'm old also. I will be 67 this year and I have cameras older than I am. They have no batteries because the shutter is controlled by springs. There is no sensor in those old cameras, just film. Now I do have modern cameras though I prefer DSLR cameras to mirrorless. My two favorite digital cameras are a Canon 5Ds and a Nikon D800e (both high megapixel DSLR cameras). I have a couple mirrorless cameras, but I don't use them much. I used to have more of them but I gave them away. I use digital more than film, but I like to use film from time to time. Just for the fun of it. You see, many of us photographers are a bit old fashioned (or maybe just old). I love the satisfying *clunk* of a TLR shutter as much as the outstanding color depth of my nice DSLR cameras. I really do love the old equipment. I'll go to thrift shops and buy old broken down cameras and take them apart and fix them. The newer a camera or a lens is, the harder it is to fix. At any rate, the whole process is fun for me. Finding them, fixing them, giving them away to friends and family, planning a shoot, going to a site, taking the pictures, processing them and showing them. I like every step along the way. So that's why photographers do what they do. We're dumber than a box of ball peen hammers when it's time to pull nails but we do know how to have some fun. Of course, some people (myself included ) are very easily amused.
I use a 10 year old canon (rebel t5i with magic lanterns crop mood software and it gives me better results than modern cameras.
3.8MP 14bit uncompressed raw video. 4K is 8MP. Only camera i know thats less than 10k and matches its image quality is the Red komodo (obviously its sharper)
@danncorbit3623 Whippersnapper! 🙂
Why do you prefer DSLRs to mirrorless digital?
@@rtr0spct210 I wrote a very long reply, which vanished when I posted it. Let me summarize. My cameras are much less expensive than mirrorless. My film and DSLR cameras share native lenses (both Canon and Nikon). I bought Gen10 Focus Confirmation Chipped adapters for my m42 glass for my Nikon and Canon cameras and my Nikon AI and AI-S glass for my Canons. I like a real viewfinder with *perfect* resolution. With my battery grips, I can shoot all day without needing to change batteries. I love the feel of these cameras in my hands. I love the sound of The shutter. I have been using them so long they are like old friends. There are incredible D lenses for the Nikons that are incredibly inexpensive. I don't need eye autofocus. Choose single point and put it on the eye. I rarely shoot at wider than f1.8 anyway, since I don't really like the f1.2 look where one eye is in focus and the other is blurry. I have magic lantern on one of my 5D Mark II cameras and zebras don't seem necessary to me, I can live without them. I see no reason to downgrade to mirrorless. Now, when an affordable mirrorless camera with 8k and two type B card slots comes along, I might pull the trigger. Not that we need 8k today. But when technology advances, it might be nice.
@@danncorbit3623 Thanks for re-writing your reply, I appreciate it.
I can relate to what you said about the the viewfinder actually, I don't have a DSLR but I have an Olympus OM1-n and the viewfinder (although a little foggy these days) is a pleasure to use compared to the digital viewfinder screen on my A7iii.
I've not used a DSLR for 10 years or so, maybe I'll have to try a few second hand ones and see how they feel in the future.
Colour management is the key. First, you must calibrate your screen. Second, you must lock white balance and exposure. On auto, these will change colour tint and saturation continuously, making grading a nuisance. If you don't colour manage, you're always aiming at a moving target and the results will vary randomly.
Black magic looked good today. You looked more tan than red in the face when you switched to standard.
Agreed. Nailed it in this episode
Dam it, I thought I was vintage, now I have to tell everyone, I'm old...🤣
I'll buy a t shirt again if you review a Pentax camera or lens.
This! And Leica. What if Kasey tells us Leica doesn’t have video? There’s stop motion ffs 🙂
Idk if its just me but watching your videos is like watching bill burr review cameras and that concept has me laughing everytime 😂
yeah thats a good analogy.. turrets x squirrels.
Spot on!
When you get your Nikon ZF, I'd recommend the Megadap ETZ 21 Pro to adapt your E-Mount lenses for the Z-Mount. I had the Techart Pro before, but the Megadap works much better. I've had no issues with 3rd party lenses and you can update the adapter's firmware in-camera by putting the firmware file on your card.
The G on the 20mm G stood for Gexcellent
It's stood for ghay action actually
Ah yes, the revered and highly sought after Leiss brand of lenses.. I hope to one day acquire such venerated equipment.
Yes, my gear is old. That's why it's great :) My main lens is in it's early 80s, and my second main lens is 68. They do the job perfectly :)
The Blackmagic OG looks great after your color grading.. no comparison to the Z30, even with the 40mm T2.
BMPCC OG destroys all. Again. But thank GOD the A7Siii in standard was pretty good.
OG BMPCC doesn't destroy in low light, autofocus or slow mo. No one camera destroys any other camera in the all-around category. A7S3 comes the closest tho.
I know I’m not supposed to use 12 megapixels for photography, but ZVE1 takes beautiful photos. I love it in lowlight
12mp is absolutely fine for photography, especially web use and small or medium size prints.
Heyyyy, don't let anybody convince you what you're "not supposed" to do in photography. 😁
My A7S3 and A74 photos are identical on the web.
I love my Sony A7s mark 1. 👨🏼🦳
12 Mp is a secret sweet spot on old camera. How do you like it for portraits and street? Any opinion
At 12min 19s the standard profile colours looked so much better than the S-log! 😂
Never thought of it. From now on, I'm going to say I'm an airline pilot. And the G on the lens is to mark the spot. G-Master... well.
I bought a used g95 to go with my gh5 as a b cam for around 425$ on mpb after selling my G7 b cam for 260. I bought it because it's the same sensor as the GH5 and has stab which the G7 didn't but the crop in 4k is dumb. Works out in some cases but mostly it's annoying thing, overall happy with it I don't plan on keeping it long I'll just resell it to throw that cash at the gh6
Nikon should just send you a ZF for free.
Wasn't Olympus known for their superior colour science in the beginning of the mft era?
Yes, it was quite nice actually
Yup, I learned the hard way that MP do not translate to better video quality when I changed my a7sII for a a7RII 😅.
The Sony/Zeiss has more of the 3d pop and microcontrast meme, in addition to being slightly warmer. Side by side, the BMPCC looks cooler and greener.
I bought shirts, so you are now morally obligated to get a Zf. (But please don’t complain about the strange auto ISO controls…)
Yup, you’re right. Old wine is vintage, if it’s good wine. But even good, old camera equipment is just obsolete. I bought my first decent camera back in 1967, when I was 17. Nope, not going back. I wrote an article for Kodak in 2000 for their journal Lab Notes. I said that by 2010, film would be effectively dead. They received a lot of responses to that one. But in 2004, they wrote the same thing. Too bad they were so screwed as a company by then that they couldn’t take advantage of it. But old digital cameras age even more poorly than old film cameras.
My pentax Q still rocks.
@@unbroken1010 Does it........i didn`t even know they ever got that far. Sales must have sucked hard,
It's all about the Eos M2 with the Sigma 16mm 1.4 that is some damn voodoo photon magic.
I don't give a shit if it's old or only available in Japan through shipping....support shipments and drive capitalism people.
Kasey’s ideal camera sensor has as many pixels as he has IQ points.
666 billion pixels??
At least he didn't fall for con men Zelinsky and Netunyahu or blm. 🤣
The foundation of brilliance is simplicity. If you have color vision deficiencies or suffer with color perception, you should choose a Cannon or Nikon camera. However, if you are skilled at color grading, you may utilize cameras from any manufacturer.
True. I know a guy who is completely colour blind. He shoots a Canon 5D MkIII and always has great looking colours (sooc).
@@audioupgrades You can't possible screw up the colors on a Canon 5D III or a Nikon D700 DSLR; those two cameras outperform the competition. You may also add the Fujifilm FinePix S5 Pro F Mount DSLR Camera, which has a SuperCCD SR sensor and produces stunning colors.
@@albertjimenez7896 Careful, or I get going on DSLR nostalgia 😉. The so-called mirrorless revolution has caused a mess, imho. It's brought nothing really useful to the table but it's messed up a lot of things about picture-taking that worked well during the DSLR era. Don't get me started on the price hikes, either.
The Canon C-100 is a 8MP cinema camera, and that’s still enough.
5D MKII is still good enough with Magic Lantern RAW video.
Runs a 4k sensor and downscales to 1080p - i've got one great video for youtube or better no need for 4k yet
Amen@@mattstone8878 , you even get zebras
It's was great for all that cp from Ukraine 😂
I’m watching this on my digicam lcd.
You should really calibrate your monitor. i1Profiler or even an old Spyder is a good choice and it makes a big difference - even just enjoying some youtube videos or browsing websites is more fun. I always love to see BMPCC footage btw, looked great even though the grading could be better.
A calibrator is the best investment for any photographer. Even if you don't spend the cash on a tool, doing a manual calibration by eye using test images is much better than using the default monitor settings.
@@audioupgrades very true! Some of the better monitors also come with predefined settings like sRGB. Its best to pick that instead of leaving it at factory setting.
The Alexa 35 has 14,5 megapixels. The Alexa Mini has about 7. Both of them are used on huge Hollywood productions. For video, megapixels are irrelevant. Except of course to sell new and expensive cameras to the people who buy them.
Old-lense gang y'all. If that lens is newer than 30 years old, get it outta my face.
Thanks for answering!
I'm new to your channel. Dig the style, the chat and the Tony puns. Tony/2!
What do you mean my gear is not vintage? Most of my lenses might predate me, one is twice as old as I am!
My Helios 44-2 is vintage. My Pentacon 135 2.8 is vintage. My Jupiter 21M is vintage. My Nikon shit is old.
damn dude you and pat finnerty are like the same person but with different art mediums. You even have a Beato equivalent in Toneh. Not even accusing you of biting, this is clearly convergent evolution
Toneh an Beato are really nail scratching annoying to me. But Toneh takes the cake lately. Man he`s just next level and has really nothing to say except for commercial.
Get more toneh on the pocket OG with the Metabones N/F - Speedbooster. Gives you extra F-stop and less crop and of course the Nikon glass.
It came with a bundle I bought back in 2015 with my OG with a NIKON 18-70mm DX lens
By far some of the nicest images out of the OG with this combination for me.
Would push it closer to the Sony.
Peace!
I actually fixed my Panasonic color science on my GH4 by going into my white balance and adjusting the color chart 2 down and 2 to the right into the blue area. Also using Cine Vivid color mode. Amazing colors! No more red face on people. Super happy with it.
GH4 and GH5 have ugly orange hue, but there is fixes
Windows color management sucks balls. Even if you have a colorimeter and calibrated the monitor, video you watch on windows will not be mapped to your monitors color gamut. SDR will be over saturated. The only way it will is if you have HDR enabled, then windows will map the SDR content to your monitor and content won't look over saturated. It won't be accurate, but at least you'll finally be in the ballpark.
For Resolve on Windows, you need to import your monitors display LUT but I've never figured out how to use it.
This is all opposed to the way Mac OS works. Mac OS has OS-level color management. Load a display profile on Mac and eevrthing will be mapped the way it should.
Leica/Zeiss alliance = Leiss, pronounced Lice. That's even better branding than NoVa for cars sold in Latin America.
It's a little known fact that if you take an ultra-fine toothed comb, or even an ordinary dover saddlery curry comb and pull through the mane and coat near the withers on the Panasonic Pony of Hope, you can pull out a hand full of tiny Leiss eggs, that will eventually hatch into lenses. Unfortunately, in order to grow to maturity, they must suck all the color science out of three canon cameras. Don't bother searching in the frog of the hoof. No seeds there.
Where's the toneh??
the guy in your intro is a photographer. 😂
Nikon NX2 how hard would you be if that came out?
Would love to see you get a Nikon Zf!!!!!
Thanks. I feel much better 🤣 *buys a new camera and lens
Tony + Bokeh = Toneh, real good term!!
Tongay. Any day he will admit it.
It's still worth at least 50% of MSRP if it's "parts only vintage" though, right?
Have you looked into the cine pi what are you thoughts for a build cost of under 300$
"...they eat a lot of corn chips..." LOL! It seems like Fuji Eterna or Provia are pretty good right out of camera. I've only shot a few video clips with my X-T3 and used those two film sims. But, I was shooting landscape stuff, not vlogging and shooting a face. Right now I have no interest in wrestling through heavy editing/color grading. Question: Is 30p the "normal" frame rate to shoot? I'm not looking to make movies. Video seems so complicated to me compared to photography. LOL! Thanks for the laughs, have a great day. We're dealing with snow in Pennsylvania. I'm not happy....
yup my gear is old, can't argue with that
Vintage doesn't mean Old. You get a Good Vintage and a Bad Vintage; but you don't get a good old or a bad old.
My friend let me borrow his zv-e10. Not bad little camera but the 8 bit log is gross. Might be good as a webcam.
What microphone are you using?
I am not a video guy but yeah new video is better than old video. Now vintage still photography is a different beast. I get some beautiful colors out of old (vintage) CCD sensor cameras and to top it off new processing software like DXO pro raw take that old vintage file and does wonders with it.
They have a free version or mobile yet? I'm broke
@@unbroken1010 no mobile. 1st month trial free though.
I don’t see the problem with Sony. The color is fine
Blackmagic is the cinema that is ours
I like when people make themselves laugh, keep up the great work 😀
Toneature is my new word. @8:42
The key to stripping the tweaking out of Sony color in Davinci Resolve, is to bookend your node tree with the correct Color Space Transform. The first node converts the color space (Sony S-Gamut3 Cine, in my case) and Gamut (Sony S-Log3, in my case) to Davinci Wide Gamut Color Space and Davinci Intermediate Gamut. Then, I have my standard adjustments. The last node (or, second to last, if I'm applying a film look) inputs Davinci Wide Gamut Color Space and Davinci Intermediate Gamut and outputs Rec.709 and Gamma 2.4.
I know that is all a bit dry and technical, but there are some excellent explainers out there on this network of tubes.
..and dont forget to enable bit binning for higher performance.
@@leonelmateus No longer necessary, since the latest update, retro encabulation is enabled by default. So, no need to worry about excessive helical side fumbling.
why not from Slog straight to rec 709 , i mean why do you go to wide gamut color space?
@@sardanapalos just enable depth first search in sensor settings, it will perform within the correct color gamut and not violate the default color science parameters.. see: GoPro freezing/bricking root cause.
skin tone looks better(butter?:) on Zeiss and A7iiis
your efforts in getting the best colour science is wasted on my grayscale phone screen and monitor
It's the light dam you! Bigger pixels - more surface area - more light. For the last time people. Jesus crippled by squirrel poop. Bzz-Moo!
Speaking of light... which will improve an image more, a) going from 12MP to 100MP b) going from mft to medium format c) going from f4 to f 1.2 d) going from bad lighting to good lighting?
I pick d.
Love your music man, keep being inspired to make more I'm an OG subscriber, and I'm pretty happy about that 😂
My gear maybe old, but I am vintage 😂
Old gear is better most the time, modern mirrorless cameras and lenses are overpriced and boring AF. Everything is over sharpened with zero character and companies like Canon and Panasonic have actually gone backwards in color science. My 5D Classic and 5D Mark II with old EF lenses have WAY more character and a vibe to them the RF line cannot touch. Ive owned the R5, R6, RP, R, R10, R50 and R7...so I have tried damn near every one of them. None compare to the 5D and 5DII when it comes to a great photo IMO. I also much prefer my Panasonic bridge cameras (FZ50 and FZ200) to the newer mirrorless cameras. Ive owned the GX85, G95, G9 and S5II. The FZ200 and especially the FZ50 with the CCD sensor have a much more filmic look with some great character thats lacking in the G series cameras. Its a shame
Between a sigma 24-70 vs Sony 24 1.4 the sigma was way sharper in 24mm both set at the same toneh on an siii
Sigma is usually superior
Sony a7s was annoiunced in 2013. Sorry compared to phones and other cameras, that's also vintage ;-) Also older lenses were just made better, glass, rather than plastic. Japan rather than China, in the case of Nikon, for instance.
Are fresnel phase lenses any good?
Never heard of them. 🇨🇳?
That's what she said...
How dare you diss my gear like that.
Kasey, I challenge you to a blind test between lenses of similar focal length and aperture. Let’s see if 3D pop really is a thing.
DO YOU ACCEPT?
You know man I tell you what, back when I first found your channel and feel in love with your content you would always say mean things about Sony and those of us that used their cameras, I then decided to hate you for three years and now that we’re back together every video you make your praising Sony cameras and this is as I just sold all my Sony gear in an attempt to make you proud😔
That was fun
I want a video on the sigma fp
so you have a macro lens! (the sony 90mm). how come we only see you with birds and squirrels. where are the bees and spiders?
love your channel, except the lack of bees
Nostalgia trumps logic
The GH4 and GH5 have superb SOOC. Almost never adjust anything.
Following this logic, I am old too, you Einstein...🙄
I would recommend looking a bit into more modern technology regarding to sensors to be honest. Your main argument for low MP sensors is dynamic range and noise mostly, but at least when it comes to DR, there are so much better ways nowadays to this, Quad Pixel Bayer Array sensors!
Its technically for example a 12 MP sensor in most phones, but they have 48MP modes by making use of the quad pixel array, but the best part when using "just" 12 MP... dynamic range. They have typically one small and one bigger pixel for each color, by reading out those 2 pixel independently, you can achieve more DR than a professional movie camera can.
By binning the 2x2 Quad Pixel Matrix to a single pixel, you have more or less also the "big pixels" you want as well.
I was also very sceptical about this type of arrays, but since its a big/small pixel for enhancing DR nowadays and the "high resolution" modes work pretty well, i think the times where we just want huge pixels is gone. I would assume in the next years we will see this (smartphone typical) technology also in cameras, they sadly have distinct advfeantages over "classic" bayer arrays.
My gear and I are vintage. 100%
The green color cast is strong on today's episode. 👽👽
Watch this video at 50% speed starting here: 1:50
Thank me later.
Yes❤👍👍💪👌😃
Still rocking ind nikons 📸📸📸
Imagine if Kasey had found the C100 mk ii 8mp sensor!
Today it is a sushi company.
I like my G95 for an entry level interchangeable lens camera for M43 system. Learn it, gather a few lenses, then move on up to the G9 II when you feel ready to throw some coin at a body, you already have the lenses.
I wish Kasey would have offered an alternative in M43 rather than only APSC or FF
Larger pixels don‘t get better dynamic range. While being able to capture more photons before burning out they‘re also larger, so they‘ll capture more photons for the same brightness. You need a larger sensor to get better dynamic range. if your angle of view is still the same you‘ll have the same total light distributed across a larger area, so it‘ll burn out slower no matter the pixel size.
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Either you have moire/aliasing on your eyebrows or I need help xD
Also Nikon looks pink as hell...
g stands for g-eap
birds of canada
Woo hoo!
why r u attacking me? u right tho
Why are you inside today
It doesnt matter what brand you choose. Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji etc....all the modern mirrorless cameras and lenses produce near identical results. Sterile, over sharpened photos and videos with zero character. Get you some OLD gear with some soul and a vibe.
RB67, Bronica, Kowa 66, all prizes I still see that I'd rather remember never existed. Like the Chinese Seagull cameras.
ouch >
I could shoot a6400 straight out of cam with slight adjustments, perhaps you should figure your white balance then pull head out of bottom. You really just need content that doesn't suck and nobody gives two shits what camera you are using.
In theory, larger pixels capture more dynamic range but with lower resolutions...which is why frame rates are restricted.