Having built the whizbang press a few years ago, I finally got around to building the grinder... Unbeleivable, I could grind apples faster than my wife could cut them in two pieces. We made 7 gallons of apple juice and asian pear juice in less than two hours.
Hello. This is a great video. Thanks for producing it. My disposal is a big one but doesn't grind as fast as yours. I solved the over heating problem I drilled a hole near the motor brushes and welded on a male air fitting. Hooked it up to my air compressor and set the pressure to about 5 pounds. Solved the over heating issue. The other thing that works nice is I took a very large stainless bowl for the apple hopper. Just used a hole saw the size of the hole in a sink and buzzed it in. The bowl works nice and looks cool. Hope this helps someone. Thanks, Ed.
Wow. What a great life you're living. It shows in your videos. I wish you were my grandpa. I think there are a lot that you could teach me, and I bet it's fun spending time with you. One day I will also have, what you have.
I’ve never heard of the wiz bang series. After watching these I will going to be adding them to my arsenal. Ps.the grandkid is too cute. My grandnephew would love it
I like to make a similar apple grinder but then I need a drawing that is easy to follow. Do you have the drawing on your website? Also the electrical motor (mark name and quality) and horse powers (1/2 HP) are important. You used a disposal grinder and made a grinder of it. Really smart and it seems that the electrical motor is excellent for grind apples.
I made an apple grinder from a wood chipper. Actually all I had to do was to sharpen the blades and change the upper part to a funnel that lets whole apples go through.
😁There are 2 New Yorks in New York. Downstate and Upstate. I'm in rural upstate. It's more free up here. As far as I know, I can have an outdoor sink and no extra taxes are expected. But I might be breaking a law and don't realize it. A friend in a neighboring rural town told me a couple years ago that some sort of inspector bureaucrat told him he could not have an outdoor shower. He had a camper on his land and a hose hooked up to shower with. I was very surprised to hear that.
You guys who feel that a child should be well protected, shielded from all dangers are getting annoying. When the Apple for stuck, did the child push with his hand or the stick? He has more sense than some of the grownups posting A person would need to reach into the drain to reach the blade. I do believe the typical child has enough sense to follow directions. Besides most farm kids are operating $100K farm tractors by 12 years old.
I'd like to built or buy something like this to just grind up extra fruit from our tress and produce to feed chickens. What is the cost on this thing when it's done?
Does the grinder break the seeds open at all. I'm just wondering how this would work for grapes. It's my understanding that you don't want to crush too many grape seeds when you are making wine.
Yes, some apple seeds are cut when the apples are ground up. I once ground grapes and it was very messy. They are so juicy that I'm pretty sure they can just be pressed without grinding. But I'm not positive about that. Maybe someone with some experience pressing grapes can comment.
no need to grind grapes. just crush it is a gentle process>Red wine leave skins in the juice/ must. after ferment press it. White wines .crush then press The press lets juice out keeps skins in
Hey , take and build a apple slicer. Make it to set over a bucket , has stationary blades with plunger handle. Drop apple in tube ( 4-5 inch) plunger pushes apple against blades, slices and drop in bucket. As fast as you can drop , pull , slice. No danger of knife and a lot faster.
I've used a couple of disposals and not all are created equal. The better one has a 1hp motor. I modified it to let the pulp through faster, but its still not as fast as yours, even with the large motor. My next plan was to add a ventilation fan to the bottom to force air directly through the motor housing and out side vents. Even though the motor is not probably designed for continuous duty, I suspect that will keep it running, if not indefinitely, then for a long time. Have you tried that? It would be a lot less expense and messing about, and also lighter and smaller. I built a table for mine. The longer portion of the table has 1/4 inch hardward cloth, so you can dump on buckets of wet apples, or rinse and sort them on the table before pushing them over and into the grinder. I like the disposal grinders, but one issue is that they mash apples more than scratter or slicer/crusher type grinders do. The hammer mill just beats them up a lot. That's okay if the apples are firm fleshed, but over ripe or many dessert apples can turn into apple sauce which is hard to press. I've also ground biochar in mine. It wasn't super fast either, but it's okay. The occasional nail or rock is also an issue, but the guts of those things are pretty tough. My char it usually quite dirty as I make it outdoors in piles and pits.
If you plan to make more than say 5-10 gallons a season it's worth investing in a grinder that can take any sized whole apples without cutting. Say you're grinding and pressing 500lbs of apples in a day, it would take an absurd amount of time to cut them into halves or quarters. There are many reasonably affordable options on the market, although I'm sure they aren't as inexpensive as this is. I guess if you had people helping maybe this system works well
The method is simple and easy to do. But the latest finding says that the apple seeds are poisonous. I think it is good to slice the sides of apples leaving the central part containing seeds to trash. And use only the seedless portion.
Seeds are not a problem. Commercial cider mills grind apples up with the seeds in them. If you are concerned with the natural toxins, just core the apples. I've heard of people doing that.
Yes. That's what they say. But it is a small amount. I have a suspicion that a little bit of natural arsenic, along with the juice of the apple, might actually be good for a body.
Yes. I would not use this system (a garbage disposer) to grind apples for cider, unless someone other than myself was to drink the cider. For safe cider, seeds should remain whole in the mash. Broken, ground up seeds can introduce cyanide into the juice.
Apple seeds are not as toxic as people think and probably have health benefits. I eat them all the time as do many other people. And yes they compounds are cyanic, not arsenic.
The tiny amount of cyanide that exist within apples is so small, you would actually have to eat the equivalent of an average person's body weight in apples, cores and seeds in all before you begin to feel the effects of any poison, but by then, you are going to have a lot more problems then worrying about that, like how you managed to eat that much apple and how to pass it due to all that fiber from the apples.
Does no one worry about worms and so forth? I harvested a ton of apples from my trees and about 95% of them have holes from worms, which are usually still in the apple...
I have run grapes through the grinder and it liquified them. No pressing required. Just strain. But it was a real mess. I also ran a lot of rhubarb through it once for a wine-making neighbor. Juiced it nicely.
The garbage disposal will be challenging to sanitize, and will grind up seeds and cores, adding bitterness and traces cyonide to your juice, other than that, looks like a cheap, effective way to pulp the apples.
The reason that you want to use a sanitizer or bleach in the water is to avoid comingling any apples that may have listeria. Listeria although unlikely and not expected to be found has been found in the calyx and deep in the stem of apples. The bleach will help to kill any bacteria that could be lurking. If you are making hard cider the chances of it living decrease but why not take the extra step? :)
Your lucky you didn't have bonus footage of you rushing to the ER with your grandson and his mangled hand. Maybe you are OK with him having a hook for a hand.
James Hack Thanks for the great comment. I carefully instructed him about how to safely do what he was doing, and I was standing 3 feet away from him the whole time, watching like a hawk. The cutter blades are several inches below the opening. He was followingMy instructions and being very careful. That should be obvious when watching this video.
You can remove the seeds if you like. But I can tell you that no commercial cider pressing operation removes apple seeds. And there are a lot of people who believe that the natural cyanide compound (amigdalin, aka, vitamin B17) is a powerful natural cancer preventative. The same natural chemical is found in apricot seeds. Personally, I have no reservations at all with eating apple seeds. I make a point of picking them out of the core and eating them when I eat an apple.
Watching the kids grind those apples made me cringe how close to pushing his hand in trying to push apples down not great parenting I wanted to scream NO!
No worries, Martin. The parent showed the child what to do, gave very clear instructions, was watching the whole time, was standing about 3 feet away, and the cutter blades were far enough down inside the machine that the boy would have had to put his arm several inches into the disposal to reach the grinder blades. If you watch closely, my grandson is being very careful. We aren't stupid people here. There was no danger to the child at all. Zero. Thanks for your concern.
Bernard z Clairvaux The child was instructed about how to perform the task safely, then he was watched the whole time by an adult, standing 3 feet away. The only significant danger was that he would put a hand too far into the disposal. If you watch carefully you will see that he is very conscious about not putting his fingers into the disposal. This is an intelligent child. He would have to put his hand 3 inches down into the disposal to be harmed in any way. Bearing all of that in mind, The child was in no danger. Thanks for the comment.
Having built the whizbang press a few years ago, I finally got around to building the grinder... Unbeleivable, I could grind apples faster than my wife could cut them in two pieces. We made 7 gallons of apple juice and asian pear juice in less than two hours.
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Hello. This is a great video. Thanks for producing it. My disposal is a big one but doesn't grind as fast as yours. I solved the over heating problem I drilled a hole near the motor brushes and welded on a male air fitting. Hooked it up to my air compressor and set the pressure to about 5 pounds. Solved the over heating issue. The other thing that works nice is I took a very large stainless bowl for the apple hopper. Just used a hole saw the size of the hole in a sink and buzzed it in. The bowl works nice and looks cool. Hope this helps someone. Thanks, Ed.
Love to see a photo of how you did that, I'm starting out grinding with a waste disposal unit, but I also have an air compressor in my garage.
Wow. What a great life you're living. It shows in your videos.
I wish you were my grandpa. I think there are a lot that you could teach me, and I bet it's fun spending time with you.
One day I will also have, what you have.
Great video just love your set up. Thanks for sharing-Tim in MI
What’s the name of the system again?
What brand and model of the disposal did you use for this?
Always fun to bring the grandkids into projects! I do the same with mine!
I’ve never heard of the wiz bang series. After watching these I will going to be adding them to my arsenal. Ps.the grandkid is too cute. My grandnephew would love it
This is fantastic! Thank you for making this video!
Can you identify the brand & model number of the disposal?
Nice video. Greetings from Poland!
You letting your kid grind apples like that is great! We need more hands on parents like you in the world.
How long do you leave the apple juice in the maturation chambers before you get the cider and what yeast do you find is the best?
I like to make a similar apple grinder but then I need a drawing that is easy to follow. Do you have the drawing on your website? Also the electrical motor (mark name and quality) and horse powers (1/2 HP) are important. You used a disposal grinder and made a grinder of it. Really smart and it seems that the electrical motor is excellent for grind apples.
www.planetwhizbang.com/cider-making
@@herrickkimball Excellent, thank you!
I made an apple grinder from a wood chipper. Actually all I had to do was to sharpen the blades and change the upper part to a funnel that lets whole apples go through.
What brand chipper?
))) I did the same!
Can you let the mash ferment for 10 to 14 days and then press it into hard cider?
I don't think so.
@@herrickkimball Thank you, it sounded good to me, but I'm just getting into Cider.
Where can I get these grinder? is that from rubbish grinder ?
omg !! you're allowed to have and outdoor sink ? in the state of New York > do you have to pay extra property tax ?
😁There are 2 New Yorks in New York. Downstate and Upstate. I'm in rural upstate. It's more free up here. As far as I know, I can have an outdoor sink and no extra taxes are expected. But I might be breaking a law and don't realize it. A friend in a neighboring rural town told me a couple years ago that some sort of inspector bureaucrat told him he could not have an outdoor shower. He had a camper on his land and a hose hooked up to shower with. I was very surprised to hear that.
I am all about kids helping but you have more trust in a child that young than I do.
yeah and some ear muffs might have been appropriate
It's really not that loud. I have/use one, I can tell you that most of the noise is amplified by the mic.
You guys who feel that a child should be well protected, shielded from all dangers are getting annoying.
When the Apple for stuck, did the child push with his hand or the stick? He has more sense than some of the grownups posting
A person would need to reach into the drain to reach the blade.
I do believe the typical child has enough sense to follow directions.
Besides most farm kids are operating $100K farm tractors by 12 years old.
I'd like to built or buy something like this to just grind up extra fruit from our tress and produce to feed chickens. What is the cost on this thing when it's done?
Does the grinder break the seeds open at all. I'm just wondering how this would work for grapes. It's my understanding that you don't want to crush too many grape seeds when you are making wine.
Yes, some apple seeds are cut when the apples are ground up. I once ground grapes and it was very messy. They are so juicy that I'm pretty sure they can just be pressed without grinding. But I'm not positive about that. Maybe someone with some experience pressing grapes can comment.
Thanks
no need to grind grapes. just crush it is a gentle process>Red wine leave skins in the juice/ must. after ferment press it. White wines .crush then press The press lets juice out keeps skins in
Hey , take and build a apple slicer. Make it to set over a bucket , has stationary blades with plunger handle. Drop apple in tube ( 4-5 inch) plunger pushes apple against blades, slices and drop in bucket. As fast as you can drop , pull , slice. No danger of knife and a lot faster.
Thank you so much! I would love to do that.
Brilliant!
I've used a couple of disposals and not all are created equal. The better one has a 1hp motor. I modified it to let the pulp through faster, but its still not as fast as yours, even with the large motor. My next plan was to add a ventilation fan to the bottom to force air directly through the motor housing and out side vents. Even though the motor is not probably designed for continuous duty, I suspect that will keep it running, if not indefinitely, then for a long time. Have you tried that? It would be a lot less expense and messing about, and also lighter and smaller. I built a table for mine. The longer portion of the table has 1/4 inch hardward cloth, so you can dump on buckets of wet apples, or rinse and sort them on the table before pushing them over and into the grinder. I like the disposal grinders, but one issue is that they mash apples more than scratter or slicer/crusher type grinders do. The hammer mill just beats them up a lot. That's okay if the apples are firm fleshed, but over ripe or many dessert apples can turn into apple sauce which is hard to press. I've also ground biochar in mine. It wasn't super fast either, but it's okay. The occasional nail or rock is also an issue, but the guts of those things are pretty tough. My char it usually quite dirty as I make it outdoors in piles and pits.
If you plan to make more than say 5-10 gallons a season it's worth investing in a grinder that can take any sized whole apples without cutting. Say you're grinding and pressing 500lbs of apples in a day, it would take an absurd amount of time to cut them into halves or quarters. There are many reasonably affordable options on the market, although I'm sure they aren't as inexpensive as this is. I guess if you had people helping maybe this system works well
Humm I bet I can use an onion chopper to separate the cores out.
Hello, do you have an electronic version of the book Anyone can build Whizbang Apple Grinder & Cider Press?
Yes, I have a pfd download of the book. Here's a link... 222218.e-junkie.com/product/1371732#Anyone+Can+Build+a+Whizbang+Apple+Grinder+%26+Cider+Press
There are quicker grinders available without a persuader
The method is simple and easy to do.
But the latest finding says that the apple seeds are poisonous. I think it is good to slice the sides of apples leaving the central part containing seeds to trash. And use only the seedless portion.
Dude what about the seeds
Seeds are not a problem. Commercial cider mills grind apples up with the seeds in them. If you are concerned with the natural toxins, just core the apples. I've heard of people doing that.
Little furureman is dying to see what happens if he jams his arm down there
Is there Arsenic in ground apple seeds?
Paul Fisher arsenic is found in crude oil
Yes. That's what they say. But it is a small amount. I have a suspicion that a little bit of natural arsenic, along with the juice of the apple, might actually be good for a body.
Yes. I would not use this system (a garbage disposer) to grind apples for cider, unless someone other than myself was to drink the cider. For safe cider, seeds should remain whole in the mash. Broken, ground up seeds can introduce cyanide into the juice.
Apple seeds are not as toxic as people think and probably have health benefits. I eat them all the time as do many other people. And yes they compounds are cyanic, not arsenic.
The tiny amount of cyanide that exist within apples is so small, you would actually have to eat the equivalent of an average person's body weight in apples, cores and seeds in all before you begin to feel the effects of any poison, but by then, you are going to have a lot more problems then worrying about that, like how you managed to eat that much apple and how to pass it due to all that fiber from the apples.
Does no one worry about worms and so forth? I harvested a ton of apples from my trees and about 95% of them have holes from worms, which are usually still in the apple...
Worms are a concern to some, and not a concern to others. When I'm washing and cutting the apples I'm looking to cull out worm damage and the worms.
Worm/parasites are already in your body. A yearly or bi yearly cleanse is wise.
Adds to the flavour, sometime we throw a rat in if we’re making a limited edition…cheers
Can this grinder do grapes also
I have run grapes through the grinder and it liquified them. No pressing required. Just strain. But it was a real mess. I also ran a lot of rhubarb through it once for a wine-making neighbor. Juiced it nicely.
perfectly!
thanks you for this!
That kid is going to get his hand chopped off
Not sprayed equals full of codling larvae? Why is keeping the apples free of invasive pests a negative?
Great info, tragic music!!
haha wow, 1/2 HP?
I want to grind apples not to make juice
The garbage disposal will be challenging to sanitize, and will grind up seeds and cores, adding bitterness and traces cyonide to your juice, other than that, looks like a cheap, effective way to pulp the apples.
The reason that you want to use a sanitizer or bleach in the water is to avoid comingling any apples that may have listeria. Listeria although unlikely and not expected to be found has been found in the calyx and deep in the stem of apples. The bleach will help to kill any bacteria that could be lurking. If you are making hard cider the chances of it living decrease but why not take the extra step? :)
"the whizzbang cider making system is remarkably efficient" ... requires hand slicing every apple.
hmmmmmm
It clearly doesn’t require that, as he specifically shows that gridding apples whole works fine. How you prep them is up to you.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Your lucky you didn't have bonus footage of you rushing to the ER with your grandson and his mangled hand. Maybe you are OK with him having a hook for a hand.
James Hack Thanks for the great comment. I carefully instructed him about how to safely do what he was doing, and I was standing 3 feet away from him the whole time, watching like a hawk. The cutter blades are several inches below the opening. He was followingMy instructions and being very careful. That should be obvious when watching this video.
I don’t like this design
Am surprised democrats didn't tax you for the apples.
I don't think the government is done with new taxing schemes. The apple tax may yet come. :-(
those apple seeds are toxic and should be removed before mashing..i dont like u mashing apple seeds into the mix..i dont want cynide in my belly
You can remove the seeds if you like. But I can tell you that no commercial cider pressing operation removes apple seeds. And there are a lot of people who believe that the natural cyanide compound (amigdalin, aka, vitamin B17) is a powerful natural cancer preventative. The same natural chemical is found in apricot seeds. Personally, I have no reservations at all with eating apple seeds. I make a point of picking them out of the core and eating them when I eat an apple.
Herrick Kimball ..good reply..but cynide is never good for human body
i do like taht u take critisism well..very mature
Better not drink water. Drinking too much water can kill you. Some people see a shadow and start predicting the end of the earth.
@@oby-1607 hahaha. .
Watching the kids grind those apples made me cringe how close to pushing his hand in trying to push apples down not great parenting I wanted to scream NO!
No worries, Martin. The parent showed the child what to do, gave very clear instructions, was watching the whole time, was standing about 3 feet away, and the cutter blades were far enough down inside the machine that the boy would have had to put his arm several inches into the disposal to reach the grinder blades. If you watch closely, my grandson is being very careful. We aren't stupid people here. There was no danger to the child at all. Zero. Thanks for your concern.
This work is dangerous for a child
Bernard z Clairvaux The child was instructed about how to perform the task safely, then he was watched the whole time by an adult, standing 3 feet away. The only significant danger was that he would put a hand too far into the disposal. If you watch carefully you will see that he is very conscious about not putting his fingers into the disposal. This is an intelligent child. He would have to put his hand 3 inches down into the disposal to be harmed in any way. Bearing all of that in mind, The child was in no danger. Thanks for the comment.
Thumbs Down cuz I was sick of the stupid music he was playing.