This is what needs to happen. Like Sheriff Grady Judd in Polk County Florida, we need to publicly shame the mistreatment of drivers by carriers to get the word out - especially to young and impressionable drivers looking to get into the industry. Well done!
You can't shame people like this. They have no shame. They have no morals. If you accuse them of anything they will just lie their asses off and sue you for defamation. They don't even care if they get indicted for criminal offenses. Chances are we'll all be dead of old age before any corporate big shots see the inside of a prison cell.
I quit driving on Memorial day weekend. After dispatch forced me to use off duty PC to deliver a load because he didn't schedule the load correctly. This went on until I stopped the truck at Love's in Atlanta. I called my sister that lives in Atlanta and told her to come get me. I called dispatch and the company owner and let them know in the most colorful language where they can pick up their truck. The only way I'll ever go back into trucking is with my own truck under my own authority. I know it's not so easy to be an owner/operator but it's more worth it. I'd rather bust my ass for the sake of building my own business as opposed to busting my ass to help someone else's business grow, while they push pennies in my face
I experienced the same treatment with cr England. I went out with the first trainer for 3wks & the truck never stopped only to fuel. Once I realized I was getting used & abused. I started doing applications while I was in the sleeper on that 3rd week ,heading back to Utah. I completed the first training & I went out for the second 3wk training and I jumped ship once we made it to my home town. I realize that the trucking companies try to keep you away from home & other areas you my be familiar with to avoid jumping ship. It was a hell of an experience & it makes me appreciate my truck & authority to the highest. Experience is the best knowledge.
This is why I warn everyone who asks me how they should start their driving career to stay away from big carriers at all costs. It's not for everyone, but if you want the good side of trucking, work for a small company a few years and then buy your own truck. I am 100 times happier now that I have my own truck than I was before. Keep up the great videos
@@kennethconwell199 I don’t get how y’all drive for so many years and don’t understand that you can’t just start at a small company straight out of school. Why is this being constantly said by you older truckers?
This channel has increased my knowledge of the industry by leaps and bounds. I have one week until my first year mark at a mega. I’m using your experience & expertise to make my next move & immensely appreciate your dedication to drivers.
So glad to hear the content is useful to you. No one works as hard as a truck driver. Yes, indeed. Calculate your moves so with your best interests in mind. Keep the rubber side down.
Best advice I can give someone looking to get their CDL never get it from the company. Go to your local community college get it through them. Sign onto your 1st driving job and stay accident free ticket free citation free for 3 months. It will seem like an eternity but once you have the 3 months under your belt you will be able to get a better driving position with more pay.
That is exactly what I am doing. Paying for school upfront really is the only way to go so these carriers can't hold me to a contract i don't want to be in. Took me awhile to save up but worth it.
to those paying their own schooling there's programs and Grant's that will pay your tuition to learn a skilled trade.dig a little you will find there's many but no one applies for them.theres non profit groups also that can hook you up, it's not just trucking but many skilled trades.
I think that this is a real excellent time for "name and shame" of these companies. This and other truths about the 'supply chain crises" need to be brought to light.
This is unbelievable. The fact that this happened, the company's indifference blows my mind. I have never worked for a mega,or even large company. Right now we have 5 drivers. 2 of which are the owner and his son. I can not imagine being subjected yo such actions. I am sorry that driver went through that. Glad he made it out hope he is doing well
That story rocked me honestly. Gonna look at more videos I hope you guys started the wall of shame. I'm not a trucker but I invest in trucking companies this information is insanely valuable for the world at large. Thank you!
The old saying is, "One has to learn how to say 'no'." These days I think one has to learn how to say, "Fk you!" The "Wall of Shame" is a great idea, Dave! Without drivers, these mega-carriers would be out of business.
I love how companies like England have the gall to preach how safety concerned they are and what a great company they are to work for, and then you hear stories like that. Those dispatchers execs treat there dogs better than there employees.
Thank you for this. I went thru alot of this with swift. I quit them while I was over the road and they made me get out right there. Long story short I thought I was the only one who went thru that. These Mega Carriers make me sick.
Makes me sick too. I promise you. You are NOT the only one. We hear too much of this. The word needs to get out there about these unscrupulous acts. Thanks for your comment Gordon.
Oh nice, I’m about to head out for Swifts orientation this Sunday, out with the trainer the following weekend too. Am homeless and screwed so was the only way I could get my CDL back, drove 15 years ago and I regret giving it up but now I have it back. I made a lot of connections over time though, so if Swift gets stupid with me, I’ll make some calls and get another gig and jump ship and pay them back that way instead. Not my first rodeo and I don’t put up with horseshit, I know what I’m worth and I ain’t afraid to open my mouth. Don’t like mega carriers but was my way of getting my CDL back and out of the tent down by the river, I give a company a fair shake in six months and if they ain’t got their act together then I’ll go else where.
@@NomadicDave2032 not trying to down play the other guy but for me swift actually wasn't that bad at first. It didn't go downhill til after about a year. They gave me a second chance after C. R. England blacklisted me saying I walked off the job. I'll explain that in the next comment. Short version is temp license expired and they told me to go find another job. With swift I started as a team with a friend of mine. Everything was fine til he leased a truck. Then he left to help another friend of ours by teaming with him which left me as a solo driver. Swift had me taking a 34 hour reset after every load. They kept telling me there's nothing available that's the best they can do
About C. R. England. The 60 day temporary license expired. I kept telling them several times a week but they wouldn't let me renew it. Just happened to get a load through home. Earliest time I could attempt was the day it expired which was a Saturday. DMV was closed of course. Tried again Monday to find out once it expires that's it. You have to start all over. I informed dispatch at every step of the way. They told me to go find another job. Had to take them to court to get them to stop billing me since the contract clearly states that if me getting terminated due to their fault then the contract is null and void
30 years ago, I lasted 9 months with Transport America. Training was marginal at best, 11 cents a mile. I asked them to keep me off east coast since I was a complete rookie trying to rapidly adjust. Nope, Interstate 95 became my new home particularly New York and Bayonne. Last straw for me was being stuck in LA for 2 weeks on layover pay of 15 bucks a day after the Rodney King riots, the week I was supposed to go home. Thats a sour memory 30 years later. I had no guilt leaving and am a successful 0/0 today. Mega carriers suck still.
Back in '85 when TA was just starting up to take on Overland Express I hired on with the lure of a Pete Double bunk Cab over, I did run east only because it was the only way I was going to make any money, but you would get out east and sit. If you were lucky you got an Onan Load out of Minneapolis and ran to the east coast and did 5 drops, of Chicago and get a Butteries load west because they would be lots of miles and several stops, but those kinds of loads were far and few for an outsider, if you were a former Overland driver, you got the better loads, so if dispatched asked, I would lie and say I was a former Overland driver. But the money still wasn't there, Best thing that happened to me was I got injured unloading at a Pamida'a and had to get out of the truck,
I went through the same crap at PAM. I lived on Doritos and diet Mountain Dew for 3 weeks. I was be paid $150.00 a week before taxes. Every pay day my trainer would put his phone on speaker when he was checking on his payroll, I had to hear that I helped put $2000.00 plus a week into his checking account, while not making enough for a proper meal. To all future drivers, GOOGLE is your best resource when it comes to researching trucking companies. I wish I knew about it when I started driving.
Bruh i was thinking about going there bc i just got my permit. So you saying stay away from PAM? How much do they take of your check bc i was told you get 350 a week which dumb
Located in utah and am enrolling into cdl school. Damn good to know this about CR England. People don’t realize how much of a toll having a bad job like that can take on you.
Great video. I saw another TH-cam creator try to make videos calling out big carriers for their mistreatment of drivers some years ago, but he was forced to take his videos down. Lawyers from those carriers came at him like rabid dogs. Just be prepared when a carrier sees you talk about them in a negative way and react as they do. Hopefully, you can get the word out on these horrible companies before they can shut you up. Keep up the good work!
How many new drivers have to go bankrupt, have their credit ruined and potentially kill themselves or some innocent persons? For less than minimum wage no less. Put the execs in a different cab every Monday for 6 weeks. Mad and sad
Im 21 I just got my CDL, all my friends at cdl school that said they were thinking of joining a mega carrier I told them all to stay away from them!! Its shocking how they have no idea how bad they really are, this video helps me be aware if a company is corrupt I'll quit asap and not put up with them longer
run local ( belly, end dump etc) you will get the experience and hourly pay. I made such good money I never left.if you show them you want to work and dont cause any bs they will pick you up with minimal exp.they will show you how all the non driving tasks work.i pulled rolloffs take home 900 a week with no overtime at 40hrs.take the overtime big$$$.
You guys here at Smart Trucking are true freedom fighters and muckrakers that help expose some of the disgusting habits of many transportation companies out there. I can’t begin to show you how much I appreciate this information. As someone who is looking to land a career in trucking, I watch this channel religiously to learn from people’s past experiences so that I can become the best and happiest trucker I can possibly be someday.
Well Ryan we certainly try. It's an uphill battle all the way, but 150% worth it. Hate to see drivers getting the shaft when all they want is to drive and get a decent buck for doing it. Thanks for the support.
I worked for one big mega carrier but I actually took advantage of them and made them pay for everything I do for them and always complained when they did something wrong to me. I made them pay sometimes even for staying hotels/car rentals and etc. I never give them a chance to play with my head.
Good day to you, Big Strapper. Thanks for checking out today's upload. Few notes: The driver Dave referred to in the video is now with a carrier who is treating him right. What are your thoughts on the CDL mills? Love to hear your view. Oh and keep in mind if we get shut down over this, go to our website for updates (or FB)!
My first company was with C. R. England. After the school part they had the dmv give us 60 day temporary licenses. Told us all that we have to wait at the terminal for a trainer and at sometime during the 30 day training they will route us to our home state to renew our license. If we leave on our own then we're fired. I went through five different trainers since everyone of them had hometime planned in less than a week after picking me up and I had to wait about a week in-between each one. So my 30 training got stretched out to 60 days. Thankfully it was after they stopped doing two trainees per trainer. Pay was $9/hr while driving plus homestate minimum wage while on duty not driving which for me was about $8.75/hr. During the last month I reminded dispatch several times a week that I need to get my license renewed and everytime I got the same response. "Don't worry about it. Just keep driving. We'll get you there in time.". The day before it expired (Friday) they gave us a load going to Mexico (idk how that would work but anyways) and again I reminded them. This time they asked why didn't I renew it. I started to remind them what they've been telling me but they interrupted me and told me to just hurry up and get it done. We got to my home state Oklahoma very late that night. We stopped in OKC for the night so I can try to renew it the next day (Saturday) even though we both knew it probably wouldn't work but I had to try. My mother picked me up and we went to the local tag agency. DMV was closed. Tag agency wouldn't do so I went home to try the DMV on Monday. I informed dispatch at every step and they just said that's fine and to continue to keep them informed. On Monday (two days after expiration) them DMV tells me that it's too late. Once a CDL expires you have to start all over. I informed dispatch and asked what they want me to do. They told me to go find another job. So I go looking only to find out that no one will hire me since C. R. England lied and said walked off the job *without informing them* while under a load. Then they started sending me the bill which I refused to pay since the contract clearly stated that if I'm terminated due to they're fault then the contract is null and void. I had to take them to court to get the debt collectors to stop harassing me. I'm still surprised that I won without a lawyer. About a year or two later a friend of mine got me onto Swift. I'm thankful for them giving me a second chance in this great industry. The school was backed since DOT shut down they're testing site over the spaces being two inches too wide but they still kept bringing in more students. No temporary license this time. After that I had to go through three different trainers. First one didn't like that I refused to drive as reckless as he would and threatened to ditch me in Texas so I ditched him in my homestate Oklahoma. I reported him to Swift and they understood that I felt it was unsafe to stay with him. I was only with the second one for about a day. We parked at the terminal and while winding down for the night another Swift driver hit our truck and took off our front bumper. I didn't want to wait to get it fixed (I didn't know they would have loaner trucks. I was still pretty new). I just happened to bump into another trainer that was looking for a trainee. So I switched over to him. We did get on each other nerves a bit over small things but we were able to stay professional about it. After that I teamed up my friend and it was great til about a year later. He leased a truck from them and I didn't want to go solo just yet. Then a while later he left to help out another friend of ours by teaming with him. While solo swift kept having me do 34 hour reset after every load. They just kept telling me there's nothing out there and that's the best they can do. A few companies later I'm now happy this small company of nine drivers. I've been with them for about a month now and it's been great so far
👎 trkn mls, I got my cdl at a very good, but costly drvn school. NETTTS, $10k, 10 yrs ago. I see drvrs coming down a descend w trlr brakes smokin, I shake my head. Blessings to all drvrs.
Dave I enjoy all of your videos. I have been driving for 29 years. My father was a owner operator 35 plus years. As a child I saw the long hours my father worked. I witness the consequences that deregulation had on owneropertors. As a result I never wanted to own and operate my own truck. I have been with private fleet for 26 years. I get paid by hour, with overtime. I have medical and a employer matched 401. 12 paid holidays. 5 weeks vacation. Weekends off. I'm home every night. Keep putting your videos that give new drivers information that is critical. Thanks for all you and your family due. To make our industry better
All companies that hire drivers should constantly review their training standards. This should include feedback from students. As an In-Cab trainer I only take one new driver out at a time. I also make sure the new driver is comfortable in his or her working environment. My company pays them for their driving time, and I am sitting in the passenger seat during their time behind the wheel, NOT in the bunk sleeping.. Are we perfect, absolutely not, but I make every effort to make things right and provide a positive experience. This was an injustice and I would have told him to jump ship ASAP, even taken him on board with me to get him back to home.. I may be getting additional pay to train but I have never looked at this as an additional source of revenue. Yes they deserve to be on the wall of shame!!
This video made me REALLY angry. Some (but not all) of these mega carriers do “stuff” like this because they can get away with it. I’ve heard horror stories before over the years, but NOTHING like this! You’re absolutely right, Dave, no human being should be treated this way. Call these carriers out, that’s what they fear most these days. I’ve already seen a few comments from carriers on Bonehead Truckers because they fear the negative exposure they’re getting. It works! My heart goes out to this guy, and I hope and pray that he’s found a company that treats him with dignity and respect. He deserves that, we ALL do. Any of you new rookie drivers thinking about going to C.R. England, there’s your written testimonial. Heed the warning!
I'm taking my written test next week to get my permit. Can't decide which school to go to. Thanks for the video, I just talked with these people yesterday. I guess I'm crossing them off my list since I heard this.
Come back and update us when you figure it out. I just got my permit going to school Nov 15th - Dec1st. I paid for school via G.I. Bill so i didn't need to sign to a carrier yet.
As a former employee I can vouch for everything that guy said in that letter, I ate by getting and advance on my few hundred dollar paycheck every week. I quit they charged me over 7k.
Truth. When I started driving in 91, i had already started learning from some friends. I did go to school to get my CDL. Back when schools were longer. I spent ten weeks in school, then another eight weeks with a trainer who sat in the jump seat the whole eight weeks I was with him. We did NOT drive team. I learned. That needs to be brought back. Time invested in training drivers instead of churning them through a CDL mill school, then sending them with a “trainer” that maybe has a month or two experience and turning them loose still clueless.
This story reminds me of some of the horror stories that I heard about JB HUNT. Divers from the west would be driving out east and when it was time to go home JB wouldn't find them loads to the west and finally have to abandon the truck and hitch hike home just to get home. It is some scary stuff about what these maga carriers would do just to keep the freight moving. Thanks for sharing Dave!!!!
please, please, please, pursue this. Expose these money-grubbing companies for what they are: charlatans. I am retired now, but I surely regret over 19 years of driving a truck.
I started with National Carriers 2 yrs and 3 months ago. Definitely not a "mega" carrier, but we have around 450+ trucks. AWESOME company to work for. If i had to retire from truck driving, it would be with National. Everyone is friendly and helpful. They actually take the time to sit down with you, get to know you, and listen to your concerns. Even the higher ups!
Hey Michael. Yes definitely send those along. We've been trying to decide just how to do this so it will be effective. May need to do it behind 'closed doors' (if you know what I mean) ;)
I might also add by watching Smart Truckinng, that when I retired from my old job back in July of this year, I had already planned out who I was going to work for. I was very particular as to what companies I put applications in at. Also I talked and picked everyone's brain that I knew drove, owned, worked for a company and or was still driving for themselves or a company. Do your research guys. Smart Trucking puts out valuable information to give everyone the information needed to make a good decision on who to go work for.
I just tuned 21 back in July and got my CDL and I went with Swift. Personally when I was in training it went well. My mentor did things that I figured out were wrong but he did good for the most part. When I went on my own 5 weeks ago my driver leader has been nothing but nice and really good to me. They currently have a 6 month guaranteed pay program so you don’t rush and make mistakes. That saved me a few times when I got lost. And everyone I deal with at Swift has been understanding and trying to help. I get that there a mega carrier but it got my feet in the water and the experience I need so I can start my own company one day.
Good for you brother. I'm getting my CDL next summer and I am seriously considering starting out with Swift. Slow and steady for your first year. Good luck to you.
I've heard that Swift has made 'some' improvements... trying to clean up their act with driver retention. Happy you had a good experience. I have my CDL and it looks like I'm about to use it (about to be mandated out of my current job). Hopefully the clot-shots won't be mandated for CDL holders. Guess we'll see.
I read that book years ago. Good book, but it argues for reregulation which is never going to happen. They would rather control trucking through regulations and pushing the little guy out of business if he can't afford to comply. The best way is being done now. Don't work under these conditions. Shouldn't be a road driver alive that isnt making 2k a week. Look at the hours you are working. No more of this giving time away. Im 71 and still get cold called by trucking companies. First of all, why do they pay by the mile? That was done b a ck in the day to keep you in the seat and out of the coffee shop. Now they have gps, cameras, computer logs, etc. Nobody should be paid by the mile any longer. When you get to a shipper, you should go to line 4 on the cpu, and get paid for every minute you are there. After all, if that load shifts and you roll it, its your problem and they will ask if you blocked it. Your problem, not the shipper. Hold out for reasonable pay. 45 years of experience talking here.
That's hard to listen to. Heartbreaking for that young man, not the way to start off young adulthood. I hope he got help for the damage that did to him mentally which is 100% valid. Not being willing to send $25 a day(or so depending where the person is) so the man could eat was insane to me. Good on you to call it out. to the truckers who are reading: Thank you for everything you do. I have no doubt it's a hard job and society wouldn't be what it is without your combined labor contributing to it. The drivers you have to deal with who should thank you for saving their dumb/distracted lives but don't know it have to be too numerous to count.
CR England was one of the companies I applied for before I got on with the company I drive for now and was denied and I was very disappointed at the time and couldn’t figure out why and now after seeing this video and working with my company now for 5 years I realize the good lord had a bigger plan for me I just hope and pray that other future drivers steer clear of this company and thanks for sharing love the channel
As a 21 year old kid 20+ years ago I almost thought about driving a pumpkin. So glad I didn't. I never drove full time, but my driving was enjoyable hauling lumber local, grain for my father and then custom farm hauling for few years before I got a factory job. Only reason I gave up driving was the factory job paid too good to ignore and I enjoy raising cattle as a hobby more than driving, but it's close.
I think CR England's on its way out. I don't see nearly as many on the road as I used to, and they've also sold their huge drop yard/maintenance facility in Mira Loma CA to Marten.
Thanks for looking out for us Dave. I was speechless when you read that story of that young man. I almost couldn't believe it. I hope he's doing better now. I've been on my own for about 7 weeks now and so far it's been ok. The pay is ok but I know after I put in a year, and keep my CVOR clean, things will look better and if I want to look at another company, I can do that. Right now I'm driving a day cab moving trailers around on the 401 from Montreal to Trenton. I feel like I'm getting better every day and my driving skills are improving. When the time comes to ask for better pay, if the company doesn't want to budge, I'll start looking elsewhere. I'm starting late in life at 59 years old, but I hope some day, I will earn the title of being called a Trucker. It sure isn't an easy job as I'm finding out each day I get behind the wheel. I always say that when someone makes something look easy ? . . . it ISN'T !!!! Once again, thanks for these videos you put out man, I intend to watch each and every one of them.
I worked for a small fleet around 80 company drivers an 175 owner ops. You are exactly right about companies taking advantage of drivers. I was never allowed to take a 34 hr reset unless I absolutely needed to. I was constantly pulling favors re powering loads for drivers who could not make it on time to deliveries. But when it came to my personal time off with a 2 week advance notice they mocked me saying I didn’t need to take that time off or we can’t make it happen. It is very sad that even a small company couldn’t honor their word. I’m with a great fleet of 6 trucks now and I get treated with such high respect I would never ever ever go back to a bigger fleet like that. Prioritizing profits over employees is always a disastrous event just waiting to happen. Thank you for posting this for us who don’t have a voice to to be heard.
I feel for that driver, I had a similar (not exact) experience when I started with Schneider and I was with them for 1y and 4m (I got my CDL from a reputable technical college but no prior experience). This industry can be fun, fulfilling, and down right beautiful depending on where you drive, but it can be a cruel and dirty job, and vicious to one's physical and mental health. To any who are going through such problems like those mentioned in the video and feel they can't discuss the problem(s) with their company, then reach out to your family and friends or even ask some of the old timers for some advice. Even if they may not be able to fix the problem themselves, just being able to talk to someone else about it can help, I say this from experience. Keep the shiny side up and stay safe Drivers.
I'm at May and they're rushing us through the "pilot program". I pray to God nobody gets killed cause this is the worst orientation I've ever heard of. One guy got solo'd out after missing 2 days. The 2 days he missed is when we're supposed to drive about 350 miles. This guy got assigned a truck and has never drove a truck except in a parking lot in cdl school. It's gunna be bad.
Hi Dave! thank you so much for this information about this company. You just saved me a world of unneeded bs and time. I am finally past my DOT physical and now I can get my CDLP. and Thank you drivers for all you do or have done.
This type of shit is exactly why I’m so grateful I found your channel before I got into trucking. It allowed me to figure out a solid plan before I even began, and as a result never had to work for a mega carrier, as well as getting my CDL on my own dime. I understand not everyone can do that, but it worked for me and have made a comfortable living the two years I’ve been doing this. You are a huge service to this community, and I’m very grateful for someone like you to help guide new drivers through the snake infested waters that trucking can be.
This by far is one of my top favorite videos that Smart Trucking has ever produced. I’ve not only witnessed and observed mega carriers do this but also midsize carriers including mom and pop Trucking outfits. It’s corruption from the highest and lowest levels.
Thank you for this. I'm about to make a career change and go to trucking school at my local community college. I would like to find a good company to start with and stay. Knowing who to avoid is important to me. Also joined as a member because of this video.
I've heard worse about CR England. I was told a story where they had 3 trainees in a truck with a trainer. When the trainer abandoned them at a truck stop they were offered the chance to get in a truck together and train each other. I'm so glad I avoided them to get my CDL
My heart goes out to this guy but you got to stand up for yourself too be a man about it!!! I worked for one but the experience wasn’t bad and blessed with a great trainer too!!! I only stayed out for six months and came home and worked locally!!! Stand up people this people have no care for you and yours!!!!✌🏽
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you're with a company now that treats you right. If folks speak out it will help to put a stop to these unspeakable actions. They need to be held accountable.
I just talked with a CR England recruiter who's suspiciously anxious to get me signed up to go to the Laredo Tx training facility. Looks like I can tell her no after hearing this. Sorry you went through a rough time with them. Thanks.
I almost went with C.R England but then I heard horrible things about them. I ended up going through a private training program and then working for Veriha up in Northern Wisconsin. They treat you really good and they put you in a nice hotel during training. All the instructors are really nice and helpful and they pay in decent.
I started 10 years ago at Tyson at the age of 45, orientation was OK and my trainer was acceptable, trainee pay was $400/week for 8 weeks. Getting used to an OTR lifestyle was definitely a transition, but I'd been TDY so many times for the military that I already knew what it was to live from a duffel bag so that served me well. Now that I heard the CR England story I'll count my blessings because the Tyson experience didn't sour me enough to run me off, all these years later I'm hauling fuel for Love's and they pay well so for me it paid to be patient those first 8 weeks. From what was described I'd have walked away from CR England, got a taxi to a bus station, rode a Greyhound back home and looked for something else to do.
This is a job better left to people who can tolerate being constantly alone, broke, and seeing the seamiest side of life in all the truck stops. What a nightmare job.
As the son of a trucker and a CDL holder myself I tried many times after raising my family to drive and every job I got I enjoyed the wrk and quit every one because of dispatch and management. Trucking companies suck!!!!
I haven’t been behind the wheel of a truck in 16 years: I sometimes desire to do it, just not otr. The thing that worries me is that these carriers that have chosen to COMPROMISE their standards to get trucks rolling are jeopardizing their OWN selves by putting BARELY trained people out in what, in the hands of inexperienced drivers, are 40-ton instruments of great destructive potential. It’s too bad that the government safety associations don’t look at the FACTORS that MAKE for unsafe drivers, instead of putting ALL the onus for safety on the drivers themselves. Smh
Worked for hr transport in mid 80’s. They were always sending guys down to California to look for abandoned trucks. Drivers always carried $60 in case they needed a bus ride home
Im really sorry to hear this, this is exactly like in a 'relationship', guys you need to always remind yourself that you have the power to walk away, once you see Disrespect you need to walk away, thanks for sharing, God Bless
I'm surprised no one ever talks about the trucking jobs with swampers. That's how I started driving worked my way up on a vac truck now I'm running a kenworth at age 20. Its hard work but it sure beats some of these stories and always pays hourly if it's oilpatch work. But that goes for pickers and bed trucks too.
Been watching your vids even before I got my class 1 about 2 years and it really helped me get prepared for lots of the BS in the industry. I do regret becoming a truck driver, at least otr cross border but this channel needs more recognition this guy tells it as straightforward as possible.
Thank you so much sir, you are a lifesaver for many of us who don’t have a voice, I am learning everything I need to know about the industry before I hit the road soon. I appreciate you stood up for us, God bless you again sir.
That is insane. I was lucky. I started at usa truck 8 years ago. Got .28 cpm during training and was at .32 before a year was up. I still am here and hauling pods for them. These guys treat us good and always value safety over loads. At 1.5 years in i remember telling my dispatcher that i had not slept well the night before and asked to reschedule a load so i could sleep some and he did no questions asked. There is a reason lots of us have stayed at this company.
reminds me of working at amazon. not the same job, we would fill our trucks with packages and sounds exactly the same, all the same threats, terrible training, terrible working conditions etc.
Wow , when i think about quitting i realize im just having a bad day . My instructor and i even became friends during orientation. Thanks so much for these videos , makes me feel appreciated being out there alone in the road
Hello Dave- I JUST want TO SAY- THANK YOU- FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART- thank YOU- for calling THESE CARRIERS OUT- I CAN'T believe they can get by with 3 driver's to a truck BUT- I have seen it FIRST HAND- what A DISGRACE!!! THANK YOU- DAVE- GOD- BLESS YOU
I got into trucking about 6 months ago, and I am so glad I watched your videos and heard the amazing information you had. I am 21 and I was doing tons of research on how to get into the industry. I was originally looking at Prime and I am so glad that I saw several of your videos on mega carriers and to stay away from them. I ended up finding a fairly small to medium size company only about an hour from home that put me through school, had me go with a fantastic trainer, and I am now solo. They treat the drivers like family, and in my opinion the pay is fantastic, especially for a first year driver. I may not have considered this company if I had not found your videos! So I want to say thank you for everything you do for all the truckers out there!
This is great info for all those wanting to get in trucking I been a truck driver for 22+ years and my advice is if have family and friends ask them before you go to a big company if you can avoid them good try to stay local love what I do I go home every day on my own experience I make more money locally then OTR
In '99 I attended and completed their orientation in West Valley City. I was handling my mother's estate at the time and had to appear in court after orientation. I was unable to return and seat a truck in a timely manner, due to my duties as the Administrator of the estate. I informed them of this and moved on. Recruiting would occasionally send me post cards wanting me to come back. About a year after I finished up my mom's affairs, England called me. Basically, they wanted to do a phone interview if I had a moment. I agreed, however, I informed the guy that I had none of my information in front of me at that moment, but I would do my best to answer his questions. About a minute into the interview he started yelling at me and calling me a liar, because, as he said, "I hesitated" answering one of his questions. I hung up. I would still receive those recruiting post cards every now and then: I eighty-sixed them all. I'm glad I never worked for them, especially after watching this video.
I am on my way back to Phoenix after having been up in Salt Lake City on Thursday. I had to drive past CR England and Swift and State Highway 201. I remember getting my CDL just down the street from CR England at what was then Central Refrigerated, formerly Dick Simon trucking, and the yard is now owned by Swift. Trip down memory lane for sure!
It's modern day peonage. Some very similar methods and themes that surrounded the coal mining industry in the Appalachian Mountains. My mom's side of the family is from Harlan County Kentucky.
Been running the road since 2000 and have heard the same type of stories from those who used to work for England. It has always amazed me that companies can get away with the things they do. I think the Wall of Shame is a good idea. It would be one more tool people can turn to when thinking about either starting in this career or a driver making a move to another carrier.
For me personally I was with an 18 wheeler company for a short while. The transportation manager kept having me on 17 hour shifts as a daily local position. One day I spent 22 hours on a route. I like driving trucks, but I dont want to be gone for that time frame for a "home daily" position. I left shortly after.
I've raised four teenagers, there is no way 18 year olds have the intellectual or emotional maturity to handle a job in a big rig. Even successfully and professionally managing shippers, receivers, lumpers and dispatchers require skills and maturity that most teenagers have not yet acquired. Only 1 out of 4 wants to be a trucker... he's been in the truck with me since he was 10, so he'll be fine.
This rings way true. At 21 my best friend's dad put us in a truck running team. We were on the phone (in those days a pay phone at the truck stop) daily asking for advise and guidance. There is no way a teenager can handle the road.
The 6 months I was with CR. Seen 2 heart attacks, 4 fist fights, and the dorm area was set on fire twice. They had to bring in armed security to control the zoo.
I started back in the late 70's in Colorado, I learned to drive in the Oil Patch and moved to a company called Atwood Trucking, small carrier that hauled bulk cement along the Colorado front range, this guy didn't believe in keeping the equipment up, and installed company radios in the trucks, he would run a guy ragged, at 5a he would get on the radio and start doing check in, if a driver didnt answer he would continue calling for a response from that driver, and tell them to sleep their time, not his. For someone starting out, this was an entry level position, If you applied somewhere else, he would tell them you were the worse employee he ever had and tell them you tore up equipment, then he would radio you and tell you to bring your truck to the yard, didnt matter if it was under load, You knew that guy was getting fired.. and he would, because you didn't apply for another job while working for him. a few years later, I found myself living outside Atlanta, I hired on with a small regional carrier called Fetz Trucking pulling a liquid tanker hauling hazardous liquids and fuels. I learned on my own how to haul liquid, and at the Chemical plant they informed me about safety and placarding. Showing up for my first load of gas at the Exxon terminal, they taught me how to load gas. 6 months later Infinger Transportation bought the company, and made me a driver trainer. they gave some safety training but it wasn't much, its amazing non of us killed anyone.. As Infinger, I had to run harder than ever, made some money, but a lot of times I had to run two log books, also ran a R Model Mack with no sleeper, my bunk was the two seats, a bucket with my fittings in the middle with my briefcase over it.
I was a new driver. Drove 2yrs at Werner. My resets were far and in between. They kept me running recap. They ran me 5 to 6wks before I was able to go home. Honestly at the rate they pay, I had to run long days to make money. I loved trucking, but Werner left a bad taste in my mouth.
I completely understand that at one time a trucker or any type of employee was treated with handshake and follow up calls and more training. I’m not denying this trucker’s story is true and he had the bad experience. I’ve been looking at going into trucking the past 15 years and just now received my permit and start CDL school in 3 weeks. I don’t know many things. However I researched the crap out of the industry and companies. The reason I haven’t started till now was after researching the training process and the upfront fees I wasn’t mentally ready due to obligations at the time and not financially readily to go on training knowing I was responsible for my own meals etc not mention of other fees license physical and school costs. Even 15 years ago during my research I discovered the same process of CDL school and the training . Knowing you can be called at anytime to meet up with trainer and be prepared with a certain packing list of items to bring and always told you will be responsible for your meal costs. I’m also having a real hard time believing the trainee pay by the mileage. I was always told a small but at that time it was $200-300 per week set pay compared to 600-900 now. I do believe I did check with cr England back then. Again I’m not disbelieving this trainee story however it doesn’t look as he was prepared. I also do not believe in the 2 trainee and trainer program. I am going with Werner trucking and they assured me they do not do the 2 trainee program with new truckers. I just understand and expect my responsibility of my trading career and choices.
It's funny how most people don't talk about this side of trucking, a bunch of TH-cam truckers make trucking sound like it's the best thing since sliced bread
I think a carrier wall of shame would be great. I think there also needs to be something to lift up the good carriers, like a wall of pride or something, that way we can pick out the good ones as well as the bad.
How long ago did this happen? It's bad enough if it was 20-30-40 years ago. But if it was within the last few years or year then, they should be turned into the Labor board. Absolutely ridiculous.
@@SmartTrucking that's absolutely a shame. That's chicken feed. That's well below poverty level. There's no need for that. Wonder why it's hard to find good people and driver's. There's a prime example.
Training with CR England was an absolute night mare. I was at the school for four days before I actually got on a truck. My first time on the truck there was the instructor and four students. I didn't get to drive, I got to ride around for about two hours. The next day I got to drive for ten minutes, it was my first time, nervous as could be with the instructor screaming at me. At the end of that day we started the backing training. 25-30 students one truck, one instructor an absolute nightmare. Saturday we continue our backing training the nightmare continue and after a few hours the instructors had vanished. Monday one week after arriving I was accepted to complete the pre trip inspection test, the backing test and finally the road test. Long story short I ended leaving. All together I got to drive two times. The second time it was two students and one instructor and we both got about an hour. I later complete training through CRST. Besides myself there were about twenty other students who left CR England because of their training , verbal abuse and sexual harassment. I know CRST gets dumped on, but they do have some decent people, especially driving instructors. White CR England wanted to rush you through, The instructors at CRST wouldn't let you test out unless they were 100% you could pass on the first or second tried. I ended up passing my first time on all the tests I only lost one point on the road test , scored perfectly on pre trip and backing.
I did 3 1/2 months with Western Express and that was it. I will never work for a mega carrier EVER AGAIN. I went 1099 for a small carrier and life is good.
FINALLY somebody calls C.R. England out on their bull💩
Rest in peace Dave. We all love you and Cherish all the information that you handed out. 1956 - 2024
Much needed video
Nobody talks about the mental health of truckers
Yes you are right Guy's are killing each other over dock space now.
This is what needs to happen. Like Sheriff Grady Judd in Polk County Florida, we need to publicly shame the mistreatment of drivers by carriers to get the word out - especially to young and impressionable drivers looking to get into the industry. Well done!
You can't shame people like this. They have no shame. They have no morals. If you accuse them of anything they will just lie their asses off and sue you for defamation. They don't even care if they get indicted for criminal offenses. Chances are we'll all be dead of old age before any corporate big shots see the inside of a prison cell.
I quit driving on Memorial day weekend. After dispatch forced me to use off duty PC to deliver a load because he didn't schedule the load correctly. This went on until I stopped the truck at Love's in Atlanta. I called my sister that lives in Atlanta and told her to come get me. I called dispatch and the company owner and let them know in the most colorful language where they can pick up their truck. The only way I'll ever go back into trucking is with my own truck under my own authority. I know it's not so easy to be an owner/operator but it's more worth it. I'd rather bust my ass for the sake of building my own business as opposed to busting my ass to help someone else's business grow, while they push pennies in my face
I experienced the same treatment with cr England. I went out with the first trainer for 3wks & the truck never stopped only to fuel. Once I realized I was getting used & abused. I started doing applications while I was in the sleeper on that 3rd week ,heading back to Utah. I completed the first training & I went out for the second 3wk training and I jumped ship once we made it to my home town. I realize that the trucking companies try to keep you away from home & other areas you my be familiar with to avoid jumping ship. It was a hell of an experience & it makes me appreciate my truck & authority to the highest. Experience is the best knowledge.
This is why I warn everyone who asks me how they should start their driving career to stay away from big carriers at all costs. It's not for everyone, but if you want the good side of trucking, work for a small company a few years and then buy your own truck. I am 100 times happier now that I have my own truck than I was before. Keep up the great videos
But in turn a lot of small companies will not take green drivers due to insurance costs 🙄 😒.
Buying your own truck takes good credit and a good down payment.
@@kennethconwell199 I don’t get how y’all drive for so many years and don’t understand that you can’t just start at a small company straight out of school. Why is this being constantly said by you older truckers?
This channel has increased my knowledge of the industry by leaps and bounds. I have one week until my first year mark at a mega. I’m using your experience & expertise to make my next move & immensely appreciate your dedication to drivers.
So glad to hear the content is useful to you. No one works as hard as a truck driver. Yes, indeed. Calculate your moves so with your best interests in mind. Keep the rubber side down.
I am as well! This channel is gold!!🙌🏾
This guy has a Masters Degree in Trucking doesnt he?
This treatment of drivers is what allowed Jimmy Hoffa to become so powerful. Despite all his faults he DID do a lot of good for truckers.
Best advice I can give someone looking to get their CDL never get it from the company.
Go to your local community college get it through them. Sign onto your 1st driving job and stay accident free ticket free citation free for 3 months. It will seem like an eternity but once you have the 3 months under your belt you will be able to get a better driving position with more pay.
Well spoken
That is exactly what I am doing. Paying for school upfront really is the only way to go so these carriers can't hold me to a contract i don't want to be in. Took me awhile to save up but worth it.
Yep that little Fed tax incentive racket needs to end
to those paying their own schooling there's programs and Grant's that will pay your tuition to learn a skilled trade.dig a little you will find there's many but no one applies for them.theres non profit groups also that can hook you up, it's not just trucking but many skilled trades.
I think that this is a real excellent time for "name and shame" of these companies. This and other truths about the 'supply chain crises" need to be brought to light.
Over half of CR England's fleet of drivers have less than 60 days experience in the truck. Blind leading the blind.
This is unbelievable. The fact that this happened, the company's indifference blows my mind. I have never worked for a mega,or even large company. Right now we have 5 drivers. 2 of which are the owner and his son. I can not imagine being subjected yo such actions. I am sorry that driver went through that. Glad he made it out hope he is doing well
That story rocked me honestly. Gonna look at more videos I hope you guys started the wall of shame. I'm not a trucker but I invest in trucking companies this information is insanely valuable for the world at large. Thank you!
The old saying is, "One has to learn how to say 'no'."
These days I think one has to learn how to say, "Fk you!"
The "Wall of Shame" is a great idea, Dave!
Without drivers, these mega-carriers would be out of business.
There is always a warm body to fill the seat. Especially with lax immigration laws
Totally
we need a video that goes into the best trucking companies to start out with. that may help quite a few people.
I love how companies like England have the gall to preach how safety concerned they are and what a great company they are to work for, and then you hear stories like that. Those dispatchers execs treat there dogs better than there employees.
Thank you for this. I went thru alot of this with swift. I quit them while I was over the road and they made me get out right there. Long story short I thought I was the only one who went thru that. These Mega Carriers make me sick.
Makes me sick too. I promise you. You are NOT the only one. We hear too much of this. The word needs to get out there about these unscrupulous acts. Thanks for your comment Gordon.
Oh nice, I’m about to head out for Swifts orientation this Sunday, out with the trainer the following weekend too. Am homeless and screwed so was the only way I could get my CDL back, drove 15 years ago and I regret giving it up but now I have it back. I made a lot of connections over time though, so if Swift gets stupid with me, I’ll make some calls and get another gig and jump ship and pay them back that way instead. Not my first rodeo and I don’t put up with horseshit, I know what I’m worth and I ain’t afraid to open my mouth. Don’t like mega carriers but was my way of getting my CDL back and out of the tent down by the river, I give a company a fair shake in six months and if they ain’t got their act together then I’ll go else where.
@@NomadicDave2032 not trying to down play the other guy but for me swift actually wasn't that bad at first. It didn't go downhill til after about a year. They gave me a second chance after C. R. England blacklisted me saying I walked off the job. I'll explain that in the next comment. Short version is temp license expired and they told me to go find another job. With swift I started as a team with a friend of mine. Everything was fine til he leased a truck. Then he left to help another friend of ours by teaming with him which left me as a solo driver. Swift had me taking a 34 hour reset after every load. They kept telling me there's nothing available that's the best they can do
About C. R. England. The 60 day temporary license expired. I kept telling them several times a week but they wouldn't let me renew it. Just happened to get a load through home. Earliest time I could attempt was the day it expired which was a Saturday. DMV was closed of course. Tried again Monday to find out once it expires that's it. You have to start all over. I informed dispatch at every step of the way. They told me to go find another job. Had to take them to court to get them to stop billing me since the contract clearly states that if me getting terminated due to their fault then the contract is null and void
30 years ago, I lasted 9 months with Transport America. Training was marginal at best, 11 cents a mile. I asked them to keep me off east coast since I was a complete rookie trying to rapidly adjust. Nope, Interstate 95 became my new home particularly New York and Bayonne.
Last straw for me was being stuck in LA for 2 weeks on layover pay of 15 bucks a day after the Rodney King riots, the week I was supposed to go home. Thats a sour memory 30 years later. I had no guilt leaving and am a successful 0/0 today. Mega carriers suck still.
Thank you for sharing your experience i am sorry you had to go through that i hope you are living a good life.
Back in '85 when TA was just starting up to take on Overland Express I hired on with the lure of a Pete Double bunk Cab over, I did run east only because it was the only way I was going to make any money, but you would get out east and sit.
If you were lucky you got an Onan Load out of Minneapolis and ran to the east coast and did 5 drops,
of Chicago and get a Butteries load west because they would be lots of miles and several stops, but those kinds of loads were far and few for an outsider,
if you were a former Overland driver, you got the better loads, so if dispatched asked, I would lie and say I was a former Overland driver.
But the money still wasn't there,
Best thing that happened to me was I got injured unloading at a Pamida'a
and had to get out of the truck,
He lasted about 13 months more than I would have. I would have needed a defense attorney.
I went through the same crap at PAM. I lived on Doritos and diet Mountain Dew for 3 weeks. I was be paid $150.00 a week before taxes. Every pay day my trainer would put his phone on speaker when he was checking on his payroll, I had to hear that I helped put $2000.00 plus a week into his checking account, while not making enough for a proper meal. To all future drivers, GOOGLE is your best resource when it comes to researching trucking companies. I wish I knew about it when I started driving.
Bruh i was thinking about going there bc i just got my permit. So you saying stay away from PAM? How much do they take of your check bc i was told you get 350 a week which dumb
Im making about 1100-1800 week. Im still living off doritos and mnt dew. XD
@@jboogie6111 Prime or Swift would be two better options.
Located in utah and am enrolling into cdl school. Damn good to know this about CR England. People don’t realize how much of a toll having a bad job like that can take on you.
Great video.
I saw another TH-cam creator try to make videos calling out big carriers for their mistreatment of drivers some years ago, but he was forced to take his videos down. Lawyers from those carriers came at him like rabid dogs. Just be prepared when a carrier sees you talk about them in a negative way and react as they do.
Hopefully, you can get the word out on these horrible companies before they can shut you up. Keep up the good work!
We'll see how it goes.
Tucking answer he had to stop the crap company of the week
How many new drivers have to go bankrupt, have their credit ruined and potentially kill themselves or some innocent persons? For less than minimum wage no less. Put the execs in a different cab every Monday for 6 weeks. Mad and sad
@@dominickjustave3558 true but at least he does doing it better segment for company
Definetely worth doing and see the better companies strive and exel while the grubs go down the drain
Im 21 I just got my CDL, all my friends at cdl school that said they were thinking of joining a mega carrier I told them all to stay away from them!! Its shocking how they have no idea how bad they really are, this video helps me be aware if a company is corrupt I'll quit asap and not put up with them longer
run local ( belly, end dump etc) you will get the experience and hourly pay. I made such good money I never left.if you show them you want to work and dont cause any bs they will pick you up with minimal exp.they will show you how all the non driving tasks work.i pulled rolloffs take home 900 a week with no overtime at 40hrs.take the overtime big$$$.
You guys here at Smart Trucking are true freedom fighters and muckrakers that help expose some of the disgusting habits of many transportation companies out there. I can’t begin to show you how much I appreciate this information. As someone who is looking to land a career in trucking, I watch this channel religiously to learn from people’s past experiences so that I can become the best and happiest trucker I can possibly be someday.
Well Ryan we certainly try. It's an uphill battle all the way, but 150% worth it. Hate to see drivers getting the shaft when all they want is to drive and get a decent buck for doing it. Thanks for the support.
Sad reality! I’m a trucker in Africa! Guys trust me it’s hell down here
I worked for one big mega carrier but I actually took advantage of them and made them pay for everything I do for them and always complained when they did something wrong to me. I made them pay sometimes even for staying hotels/car rentals and etc. I never give them a chance to play with my head.
What were some of your techniques? :)
Good day to you, Big Strapper. Thanks for checking out today's upload. Few notes: The driver Dave referred to in the video is now with a carrier who is treating him right. What are your thoughts on the CDL mills? Love to hear your view. Oh and keep in mind if we get shut down over this, go to our website for updates (or FB)!
My first company was with C. R. England. After the school part they had the dmv give us 60 day temporary licenses. Told us all that we have to wait at the terminal for a trainer and at sometime during the 30 day training they will route us to our home state to renew our license. If we leave on our own then we're fired. I went through five different trainers since everyone of them had hometime planned in less than a week after picking me up and I had to wait about a week in-between each one. So my 30 training got stretched out to 60 days. Thankfully it was after they stopped doing two trainees per trainer. Pay was $9/hr while driving plus homestate minimum wage while on duty not driving which for me was about $8.75/hr. During the last month I reminded dispatch several times a week that I need to get my license renewed and everytime I got the same response. "Don't worry about it. Just keep driving. We'll get you there in time.". The day before it expired (Friday) they gave us a load going to Mexico (idk how that would work but anyways) and again I reminded them. This time they asked why didn't I renew it. I started to remind them what they've been telling me but they interrupted me and told me to just hurry up and get it done. We got to my home state Oklahoma very late that night. We stopped in OKC for the night so I can try to renew it the next day (Saturday) even though we both knew it probably wouldn't work but I had to try. My mother picked me up and we went to the local tag agency. DMV was closed. Tag agency wouldn't do so I went home to try the DMV on Monday. I informed dispatch at every step and they just said that's fine and to continue to keep them informed. On Monday (two days after expiration) them DMV tells me that it's too late. Once a CDL expires you have to start all over. I informed dispatch and asked what they want me to do. They told me to go find another job. So I go looking only to find out that no one will hire me since C. R. England lied and said walked off the job *without informing them* while under a load. Then they started sending me the bill which I refused to pay since the contract clearly stated that if I'm terminated due to they're fault then the contract is null and void. I had to take them to court to get the debt collectors to stop harassing me. I'm still surprised that I won without a lawyer. About a year or two later a friend of mine got me onto Swift. I'm thankful for them giving me a second chance in this great industry. The school was backed since DOT shut down they're testing site over the spaces being two inches too wide but they still kept bringing in more students. No temporary license this time. After that I had to go through three different trainers. First one didn't like that I refused to drive as reckless as he would and threatened to ditch me in Texas so I ditched him in my homestate Oklahoma. I reported him to Swift and they understood that I felt it was unsafe to stay with him. I was only with the second one for about a day. We parked at the terminal and while winding down for the night another Swift driver hit our truck and took off our front bumper. I didn't want to wait to get it fixed (I didn't know they would have loaner trucks. I was still pretty new). I just happened to bump into another trainer that was looking for a trainee. So I switched over to him. We did get on each other nerves a bit over small things but we were able to stay professional about it. After that I teamed up my friend and it was great til about a year later. He leased a truck from them and I didn't want to go solo just yet. Then a while later he left to help out another friend of ours by teaming with him. While solo swift kept having me do 34 hour reset after every load. They just kept telling me there's nothing out there and that's the best they can do. A few companies later I'm now happy this small company of nine drivers. I've been with them for about a month now and it's been great so far
👎 trkn mls, I got my cdl at a very good, but costly drvn school.
NETTTS, $10k, 10 yrs ago. I see drvrs coming down a descend w trlr brakes smokin, I shake my head. Blessings to all drvrs.
Dave I enjoy all of your videos. I have been driving for 29 years. My father was a owner operator 35 plus years. As a child I saw the long hours my father worked. I witness the consequences that deregulation had on owneropertors. As a result I never wanted to own and operate my own truck. I have been with private fleet for 26 years. I get paid by hour, with overtime. I have medical and a employer matched 401. 12 paid holidays. 5 weeks vacation. Weekends off. I'm home every night. Keep putting your videos that give new drivers information that is critical. Thanks for all you and your family due. To make our industry better
All companies that hire drivers should constantly review their training standards. This should include feedback from students. As an In-Cab trainer I only take one new driver out at a time. I also make sure the new driver is comfortable in his or her working environment. My company pays them for their driving time, and I am sitting in the passenger seat during their time behind the wheel, NOT in the bunk sleeping.. Are we perfect, absolutely not, but I make every effort to make things right and provide a positive experience.
This was an injustice and I would have told him to jump ship ASAP, even taken him on board with me to get him back to home..
I may be getting additional pay to train but I have never looked at this as an additional source of revenue.
Yes they deserve to be on the wall of shame!!
This video made me REALLY angry. Some (but not all) of these mega carriers do “stuff” like this because they can get away with it. I’ve heard horror stories before over the years, but NOTHING like this! You’re absolutely right, Dave, no human being should be treated this way. Call these carriers out, that’s what they fear most these days. I’ve already seen a few comments from carriers on Bonehead Truckers because they fear the negative exposure they’re getting. It works! My heart goes out to this guy, and I hope and pray that he’s found a company that treats him with dignity and respect. He deserves that, we ALL do. Any of you new rookie drivers thinking about going to C.R. England, there’s your written testimonial. Heed the warning!
I'm taking my written test next week to get my permit. Can't decide which school to go to. Thanks for the video, I just talked with these people yesterday. I guess I'm crossing them off my list since I heard this.
1st prime 2nd Maverick 3rd Schneider
Come back and update us when you figure it out. I just got my permit going to school Nov 15th - Dec1st. I paid for school via G.I. Bill so i didn't need to sign to a carrier yet.
As a former employee I can vouch for everything that guy said in that letter, I ate by getting and advance on my few hundred dollar paycheck every week. I quit they charged me over 7k.
Truth.
When I started driving in 91, i had already started learning from some friends. I did go to school to get my CDL. Back when schools were longer. I spent ten weeks in school, then another eight weeks with a trainer who sat in the jump seat the whole eight weeks I was with him. We did NOT drive team. I learned. That needs to be brought back. Time invested in training drivers instead of churning them through a CDL mill school, then sending them with a “trainer” that maybe has a month or two experience and turning them loose still clueless.
There’s a lot of cheap paying companies out here, micromanaging driver facing cameras. Great idea about naming the cheap companies
This story reminds me of some of the horror stories that I heard about JB HUNT. Divers from the west would be driving out east and when it was time to go home JB wouldn't find them loads to the west and finally have to abandon the truck and hitch hike home just to get home. It is some scary stuff about what these maga carriers would do just to keep the freight moving. Thanks for sharing Dave!!!!
please, please, please, pursue this. Expose these money-grubbing companies for what they are: charlatans. I am retired now, but I surely regret over 19 years of driving a truck.
I started with National Carriers 2 yrs and 3 months ago. Definitely not a "mega" carrier, but we have around 450+ trucks. AWESOME company to work for. If i had to retire from truck driving, it would be with National. Everyone is friendly and helpful. They actually take the time to sit down with you, get to know you, and listen to your concerns. Even the higher ups!
I've got stories from bad carriers I'd be more than happy to share with you guys. Definitely do that wall of shame
Hey Michael. Yes definitely send those along. We've been trying to decide just how to do this so it will be effective. May need to do it behind 'closed doors' (if you know what I mean) ;)
I might also add by watching Smart Truckinng, that when I retired from my old job back in July of this year, I had already planned out who I was going to work for. I was very particular as to what companies I put applications in at. Also I talked and picked everyone's brain that I knew drove, owned, worked for a company and or was still driving for themselves or a company. Do your research guys. Smart Trucking puts out valuable information to give everyone the information needed to make a good decision on who to go work for.
I just tuned 21 back in July and got my CDL and I went with Swift. Personally when I was in training it went well. My mentor did things that I figured out were wrong but he did good for the most part. When I went on my own 5 weeks ago my driver leader has been nothing but nice and really good to me. They currently have a 6 month guaranteed pay program so you don’t rush and make mistakes. That saved me a few times when I got lost. And everyone I deal with at Swift has been understanding and trying to help. I get that there a mega carrier but it got my feet in the water and the experience I need so I can start my own company one day.
Good for you brother. I'm getting my CDL next summer and I am seriously considering starting out with Swift. Slow and steady for your first year. Good luck to you.
I've heard that Swift has made 'some' improvements... trying to clean up their act with driver retention. Happy you had a good experience.
I have my CDL and it looks like I'm about to use it (about to be mandated out of my current job). Hopefully the clot-shots won't be mandated for CDL holders. Guess we'll see.
Would you recommend swift for the cdl training? 20 years old, need to get my class c to train with a company to get my cdl that way.
My recommendation is book
Sweatshops on Wheels: Winners and Losers in Trucking Deregulation
I read that book years ago. Good book, but it argues for reregulation which is never going to happen. They would rather control trucking through regulations and pushing the little guy out of business if he can't afford to comply. The best way is being done now. Don't work under these conditions. Shouldn't be a road driver alive that isnt making 2k a week. Look at the hours you are working. No more of this giving time away. Im 71 and still get cold called by trucking companies. First of all, why do they pay by the mile? That was done b a ck in the day to keep you in the seat and out of the coffee shop. Now they have gps, cameras, computer logs, etc. Nobody should be paid by the mile any longer. When you get to a shipper, you should go to line 4 on the cpu, and get paid for every minute you are there. After all, if that load shifts and you roll it, its your problem and they will ask if you blocked it. Your problem, not the shipper. Hold out for reasonable pay. 45 years of experience talking here.
Yeah, I drove for USA Truck, Similar situation. Poor equipment, poor loads, etc. When I finally got home time, I turned the truck in.
That's hard to listen to. Heartbreaking for that young man, not the way to start off young adulthood. I hope he got help for the damage that did to him mentally which is 100% valid. Not being willing to send $25 a day(or so depending where the person is) so the man could eat was insane to me. Good on you to call it out.
to the truckers who are reading: Thank you for everything you do. I have no doubt it's a hard job and society wouldn't be what it is without your combined labor contributing to it. The drivers you have to deal with who should thank you for saving their dumb/distracted lives but don't know it have to be too numerous to count.
CR England was one of the companies I applied for before I got on with the company I drive for now and was denied and I was very disappointed at the time and couldn’t figure out why and now after seeing this video and working with my company now for 5 years I realize the good lord had a bigger plan for me I just hope and pray that other future drivers steer clear of this company and thanks for sharing love the channel
As a 21 year old kid 20+ years ago I almost thought about driving a pumpkin. So glad I didn't. I never drove full time, but my driving was enjoyable hauling lumber local, grain for my father and then custom farm hauling for few years before I got a factory job. Only reason I gave up driving was the factory job paid too good to ignore and I enjoy raising cattle as a hobby more than driving, but it's close.
I think CR England's on its way out. I don't see nearly as many on the road as I used to, and they've also sold their huge drop yard/maintenance facility in Mira Loma CA to Marten.
Thanks for looking out for us Dave. I was speechless when you read that story of that young man. I almost couldn't believe it. I hope he's doing better now.
I've been on my own for about 7 weeks now and so far it's been ok. The pay is ok but I know after I put in a year, and keep my CVOR clean, things will look better and if I want to look at another company, I can do that.
Right now I'm driving a day cab moving trailers around on the 401 from Montreal to Trenton. I feel like I'm getting better every day and my driving skills are improving. When the time comes to ask for better pay, if the company doesn't want to budge, I'll start looking elsewhere. I'm starting late in life at 59 years old, but I hope some day, I will earn the title of being called a Trucker. It sure isn't an easy job as I'm finding out each day I get behind the wheel. I always say that when someone makes something look easy ? . . . it ISN'T !!!!
Once again, thanks for these videos you put out man, I intend to watch each and every one of them.
I worked for a small fleet around 80 company drivers an 175 owner ops. You are exactly right about companies taking advantage of drivers. I was never allowed to take a 34 hr reset unless I absolutely needed to. I was constantly pulling favors re powering loads for drivers who could not make it on time to deliveries. But when it came to my personal time off with a 2 week advance notice they mocked me saying I didn’t need to take that time off or we can’t make it happen. It is very sad that even a small company couldn’t honor their word. I’m with a great fleet of 6 trucks now and I get treated with such high respect I would never ever ever go back to a bigger fleet like that. Prioritizing profits over employees is always a disastrous event just waiting to happen. Thank you for posting this for us who don’t have a voice to to be heard.
I feel for that driver, I had a similar (not exact) experience when I started with Schneider and I was with them for 1y and 4m (I got my CDL from a reputable technical college but no prior experience).
This industry can be fun, fulfilling, and down right beautiful depending on where you drive, but it can be a cruel and dirty job, and vicious to one's physical and mental health.
To any who are going through such problems like those mentioned in the video and feel they can't discuss the problem(s) with their company, then reach out to your family and friends or even ask some of the old timers for some advice. Even if they may not be able to fix the problem themselves, just being able to talk to someone else about it can help, I say this from experience.
Keep the shiny side up and stay safe Drivers.
Well put.
I'm at May and they're rushing us through the "pilot program". I pray to God nobody gets killed cause this is the worst orientation I've ever heard of. One guy got solo'd out after missing 2 days. The 2 days he missed is when we're supposed to drive about 350 miles. This guy got assigned a truck and has never drove a truck except in a parking lot in cdl school. It's gunna be bad.
Hi Dave! thank you so much for this information about this company. You just saved me a world of unneeded bs and time. I am finally past my DOT physical and now I can get my CDLP. and Thank you drivers for all you do or have done.
That just made me want to cry.... absolutely DISGUSTING 💯.
Kelly that was my exact reaction too. (Catherine)
This type of shit is exactly why I’m so grateful I found your channel before I got into trucking. It allowed me to figure out a solid plan before I even began, and as a result never had to work for a mega carrier, as well as getting my CDL on my own dime. I understand not everyone can do that, but it worked for me and have made a comfortable living the two years I’ve been doing this. You are a huge service to this community, and I’m very grateful for someone like you to help guide new drivers through the snake infested waters that trucking can be.
What would you recommend personally to a 20 year old thinking about doing this? Aside from his content?
This by far is one of my top favorite videos that Smart Trucking has ever produced. I’ve not only witnessed and observed mega carriers do this but also midsize carriers including mom and pop Trucking outfits. It’s corruption from the highest and lowest levels.
Your doing a great job informing the world
Thank you for this. I'm about to make a career change and go to trucking school at my local community college. I would like to find a good company to start with and stay. Knowing who to avoid is important to me. Also joined as a member because of this video.
That is an absolute disgrace.
I've heard worse about CR England. I was told a story where they had 3 trainees in a truck with a trainer. When the trainer abandoned them at a truck stop they were offered the chance to get in a truck together and train each other. I'm so glad I avoided them to get my CDL
My heart goes out to this guy but you got to stand up for yourself too be a man about it!!! I worked for one but the experience wasn’t bad and blessed with a great trainer too!!! I only stayed out for six months and came home and worked locally!!! Stand up people this people have no care for you and yours!!!!✌🏽
Your video explains why I talked to 20 England drivers before I found one that wasn't ready to quit with less than one year experience.
I been through the same thing with cr england
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you're with a company now that treats you right. If folks speak out it will help to put a stop to these unspeakable actions. They need to be held accountable.
I just talked with a CR England recruiter who's suspiciously anxious to get me signed up to go to the Laredo Tx training facility. Looks like I can tell her no after hearing this. Sorry you went through a rough time with them. Thanks.
I almost went with C.R England but then I heard horrible things about them. I ended up going through a private training program and then working for Veriha up in Northern Wisconsin. They treat you really good and they put you in a nice hotel during training. All the instructors are really nice and helpful and they pay in decent.
I started 10 years ago at Tyson at the age of 45, orientation was OK and my trainer was acceptable, trainee pay was $400/week for 8 weeks. Getting used to an OTR lifestyle was definitely a transition, but I'd been TDY so many times for the military that I already knew what it was to live from a duffel bag so that served me well. Now that I heard the CR England story I'll count my blessings because the Tyson experience didn't sour me enough to run me off, all these years later I'm hauling fuel for Love's and they pay well so for me it paid to be patient those first 8 weeks. From what was described I'd have walked away from CR England, got a taxi to a bus station, rode a Greyhound back home and looked for something else to do.
THIS NEEDS TO BECOME VIRAL
Thank you for bringing this to light. This is what ended my career in trucking. Help explain owner operator.
This is a job better left to people who can tolerate being constantly alone, broke, and seeing the seamiest side of life in all the truck stops. What a nightmare job.
As the son of a trucker and a CDL holder myself I tried many times after raising my family to drive and every job I got I enjoyed the wrk and quit every one because of dispatch and management. Trucking companies suck!!!!
I haven’t been behind the wheel of a truck in 16 years: I sometimes desire to do it, just not otr. The thing that worries me is that these carriers that have chosen to COMPROMISE their standards to get trucks rolling are jeopardizing their OWN selves by putting BARELY trained people out in what, in the hands of inexperienced drivers, are 40-ton instruments of great destructive potential. It’s too bad that the government safety associations don’t look at the FACTORS that MAKE for unsafe drivers, instead of putting ALL the onus for safety on the drivers themselves. Smh
Worked for hr transport in mid 80’s. They were always sending guys down to California to look for abandoned trucks. Drivers always carried $60 in case they needed a bus ride home
Im really sorry to hear this, this is exactly like in a 'relationship', guys you need to always remind yourself that you have the power to walk away, once you see Disrespect you need to walk away, thanks for sharing, God Bless
I'm surprised no one ever talks about the trucking jobs with swampers. That's how I started driving worked my way up on a vac truck now I'm running a kenworth at age 20. Its hard work but it sure beats some of these stories and always pays hourly if it's oilpatch work. But that goes for pickers and bed trucks too.
Been watching your vids even before I got my class 1 about 2 years and it really helped me get prepared for lots of the BS in the industry. I do regret becoming a truck driver, at least otr cross border but this channel needs more recognition this guy tells it as straightforward as possible.
Thank you so much sir, you are a lifesaver for many of us who don’t have a voice, I am learning everything I need to know about the industry before I hit the road soon. I appreciate you stood up for us, God bless you again sir.
That is insane. I was lucky. I started at usa truck 8 years ago. Got .28 cpm during training and was at .32 before a year was up. I still am here and hauling pods for them. These guys treat us good and always value safety over loads. At 1.5 years in i remember telling my dispatcher that i had not slept well the night before and asked to reschedule a load so i could sleep some and he did no questions asked. There is a reason lots of us have stayed at this company.
I WAS a trainer at England and CAN and WILL confirm that story plus more of my own. And its much more current then that story.
reminds me of working at amazon. not the same job, we would fill our trucks with packages and sounds exactly the same, all the same threats, terrible training, terrible working conditions etc.
Wow , when i think about quitting i realize im just having a bad day . My instructor and i even became friends during orientation. Thanks so much for these videos , makes me feel appreciated being out there alone in the road
Hello Dave- I JUST want TO SAY- THANK YOU- FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART- thank YOU- for calling THESE CARRIERS OUT- I CAN'T believe they can get by with 3 driver's to a truck BUT- I have seen it FIRST HAND- what A DISGRACE!!! THANK YOU- DAVE- GOD- BLESS YOU
I got into trucking about 6 months ago, and I am so glad I watched your videos and heard the amazing information you had. I am 21 and I was doing tons of research on how to get into the industry. I was originally looking at Prime and I am so glad that I saw several of your videos on mega carriers and to stay away from them. I ended up finding a fairly small to medium size company only about an hour from home that put me through school, had me go with a fantastic trainer, and I am now solo. They treat the drivers like family, and in my opinion the pay is fantastic, especially for a first year driver. I may not have considered this company if I had not found your videos! So I want to say thank you for everything you do for all the truckers out there!
This is great info for all those wanting to get in trucking I been a truck driver for 22+ years and my advice is if have family and friends ask them before you go to a big company if you can avoid them good try to stay local love what I do I go home every day on my own experience I make more money locally then OTR
In '99 I attended and completed their orientation in West Valley City. I was handling my mother's estate at the time and had to appear in court after orientation. I was unable to return and seat a truck in a timely manner, due to my duties as the Administrator of the estate. I informed them of this and moved on. Recruiting would occasionally send me post cards wanting me to come back. About a year after I finished up my mom's affairs, England called me. Basically, they wanted to do a phone interview if I had a moment. I agreed, however, I informed the guy that I had none of my information in front of me at that moment, but I would do my best to answer his questions. About a minute into the interview he started yelling at me and calling me a liar, because, as he said, "I hesitated" answering one of his questions. I hung up. I would still receive those recruiting post cards every now and then: I eighty-sixed them all. I'm glad I never worked for them, especially after watching this video.
I am on my way back to Phoenix after having been up in Salt Lake City on Thursday. I had to drive past CR England and Swift and State Highway 201. I remember getting my CDL just down the street from CR England at what was then Central Refrigerated, formerly Dick Simon trucking, and the yard is now owned by Swift. Trip down memory lane for sure!
It's modern day peonage. Some very similar methods and themes that surrounded the coal mining industry in the Appalachian Mountains. My mom's side of the family is from Harlan County Kentucky.
Been running the road since 2000 and have heard the same type of stories from those who used to work for England. It has always amazed me that companies can get away with the things they do. I think the Wall of Shame is a good idea. It would be one more tool people can turn to when thinking about either starting in this career or a driver making a move to another carrier.
Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful experience with us. God bless you and your family.
For me personally I was with an 18 wheeler company for a short while. The transportation manager kept having me on 17 hour shifts as a daily local position. One day I spent 22 hours on a route. I like driving trucks, but I dont want to be gone for that time frame for a "home daily" position. I left shortly after.
I've raised four teenagers, there is no way 18 year olds have the intellectual or emotional maturity to handle a job in a big rig. Even successfully and professionally managing shippers, receivers, lumpers and dispatchers require skills and maturity that most teenagers have not yet acquired. Only 1 out of 4 wants to be a trucker... he's been in the truck with me since he was 10, so he'll be fine.
This rings way true. At 21 my best friend's dad put us in a truck running team. We were on the phone (in those days a pay phone at the truck stop) daily asking for advise and guidance. There is no way a teenager can handle the road.
I miss you. Can’t believe you’re gone. This generation is not the same. You’re a well disposed gentleman.
I almost signed on with CR England. Glad I saw this video!!
The 6 months I was with CR. Seen 2 heart attacks, 4 fist fights, and the dorm area was set on fire twice. They had to bring in armed security to control the zoo.
I started back in the late 70's in Colorado, I learned to drive in the Oil Patch and moved to
a company called Atwood Trucking, small carrier that hauled bulk cement along the Colorado front range, this guy didn't believe in keeping the equipment up,
and installed company radios in the trucks, he would run a guy ragged, at 5a he would get on the radio and start doing check in, if a driver didnt answer he would continue calling for a response from that driver, and tell them to sleep their time, not his.
For someone starting out, this was an entry level position,
If you applied somewhere else, he would tell them you were the worse employee he ever had and tell them you tore up equipment, then he would radio you and tell you to bring your
truck to the yard, didnt matter if it was under load,
You knew that guy was getting fired.. and he would, because you didn't apply for another
job while working for him.
a few years later, I found myself living outside Atlanta, I hired on with a small regional carrier called Fetz Trucking pulling a liquid tanker hauling hazardous liquids and fuels.
I learned on my own how to haul liquid, and at the Chemical plant they informed me about safety and placarding.
Showing up for my first load of gas at the Exxon terminal, they taught me how to load gas.
6 months later Infinger Transportation bought the company, and made me a driver trainer.
they gave some safety training but it wasn't much,
its amazing non of us killed anyone..
As Infinger, I had to run harder than ever, made some money, but a lot of times
I had to run two log books, also ran a R Model Mack with no sleeper, my bunk
was the two seats, a bucket with my fittings in the middle with my briefcase over it.
I was a new driver. Drove 2yrs at Werner. My resets were far and in between. They kept me running recap. They ran me 5 to 6wks before I was able to go home. Honestly at the rate they pay, I had to run long days to make money. I loved trucking, but Werner left a bad taste in my mouth.
I completely understand that at one time a trucker or any type of employee was treated with handshake and follow up calls and more training. I’m not denying this trucker’s story is true and he had the bad experience. I’ve been looking at going into trucking the past 15 years and just now received my permit and start CDL school in 3 weeks. I don’t know many things. However I researched the crap out of the industry and companies. The reason I haven’t started till now was after researching the training process and the upfront fees I wasn’t mentally ready due to obligations at the time and not financially readily to go on training knowing I was responsible for my own meals etc not mention of other fees license physical and school costs. Even 15 years ago during my research I discovered the same process of CDL school and the training . Knowing you can be called at anytime to meet up with trainer and be prepared with a certain packing list of items to bring and always told you will be responsible for your meal costs. I’m also having a real hard time believing the trainee pay by the mileage. I was always told a small but at that time it was $200-300 per week set pay compared to 600-900 now. I do believe I did check with cr England back then. Again I’m not disbelieving this trainee story however it doesn’t look as he was prepared. I also do not believe in the 2 trainee and trainer program. I am going with Werner trucking and they assured me they do not do the 2 trainee program with new truckers. I just understand and expect my responsibility of my trading career and choices.
It's no secret. They do run with 2 trainees. They've been given the green light to do so by the powers that be.
It's funny how most people don't talk about this side of trucking, a bunch of TH-cam truckers make trucking sound like it's the best thing since sliced bread
I think a carrier wall of shame would be great. I think there also needs to be something to lift up the good carriers, like a wall of pride or something, that way we can pick out the good ones as well as the bad.
How long ago did this happen? It's bad enough if it was 20-30-40 years ago. But if it was within the last few years or year then, they should be turned into the Labor board. Absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, we neglected to include the time frame in the video. This particular incident was 2019.
@@SmartTrucking that's absolutely a shame. That's chicken feed. That's well below poverty level. There's no need for that. Wonder why it's hard to find good people and driver's. There's a prime example.
Geeze, I was considering getting into trucking. I don't think so anymore.
Training with CR England was an absolute night mare. I was at the school for four days before I actually got on a truck. My first time on the truck there was the instructor and four students. I didn't get to drive, I got to ride around for about two hours. The next day I got to drive for ten minutes, it was my first time, nervous as could be with the instructor screaming at me. At the end of that day we started the backing training. 25-30 students one truck, one instructor an absolute nightmare. Saturday we continue our backing training the nightmare continue and after a few hours the instructors had vanished. Monday one week after arriving I was accepted to complete the pre trip inspection test, the backing test and finally the road test. Long story short I ended leaving. All together I got to drive two times. The second time it was two students and one instructor and we both got about an hour. I later complete training through CRST. Besides myself there were about twenty other students who left CR England because of their training , verbal abuse and sexual harassment. I know CRST gets dumped on, but they do have some decent people, especially driving instructors. White CR England wanted to rush you through, The instructors at CRST wouldn't let you test out unless they were 100% you could pass on the first or second tried. I ended up passing my first time on all the tests I only lost one point on the road test , scored perfectly on pre trip and backing.
I did 3 1/2 months with Western Express and that was it. I will never work for a mega carrier EVER AGAIN. I went 1099 for a small carrier and life is good.
Cr england is absolutely the worst carrier. I went to Melton truck lines after doing flatbed. Melton is a good carrier